How I Fixed My Toss After 15 Years
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2019
- We're going to discuss some hurdles players face to get a straight and consistent toss. Over a decade of struggling with this, these tips have helped me over the last few weeks committing to toss correctly. It's not only important for contact point, but when we discuss stabilization and the "bend and snap" in the next serving video, it comes full circle. Look forward to your feedback if you try some of these out!
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Thanks to the youtube algorithm for popping this up. Most of the coaches
dont have a human side to the way they teach and do not get to the actual little things that
would help people trying hard to master difficult concepts. You are very
humble and an inspiration. Your clinic on the slice serve is maybe the best I have watched here in youtube.
Frankly, I've had the same problem as yourself since I can remember so this video is an absolute god-sent as far as I'm concerned.
Thank you.
This is so inspirational to me. I'm trying to break 20 years of bad habits. Your transformation is incredible to watch . Thank you. I'm going to do everything you said.
"Try hitting a forehand with no left arm" Welcome to wheelchair tennis, my friend!
Actually, our left hand is on the left wheel, braking it and causing us to turn into the ball. This replicates the hip rotation of able-bodied tennis strokes. You CAN put your left arm out first, to get a good shoulder turn before rotating into the shot, but you've got to withdraw it in a hurry and brake if you want the chair to rotate, which you do.
All this takes time and one of the first laws of wheelchair tennis is: YOU NEVER HAVE ENOUGH TIME. Even with two bounces, the ball gets there so fast and it takes so damned long to maneuver that friggin' chair, you're always behind the 8-ball (think opening scene of Indiana Jones). Sorry to complain, we're lucky to have our sport. It's renewed my lease on life and, me for one, I'm happy to make the payments. No doubt.
So see you guys on the courts! Remguy - Montreal, Canada
Bad ass.
this has to be the best "test" lesson I have ever experienced. master the toss, the rest is much easier! thanks much
Getting a consistent toss really helped increase my first serve percentage.
The very best, most useful serve coaching you will find. So intelligent and thoughtful.
I respect that you put your struggles out there for us to see so we know we aren't alone. The serve is so complicated and muscle memory is so difficult to change. I had a horrible windmill serve (horrible throwing motion) for so many years from when I was 11 and no one ever corrected and I played through HS on my team with it. When I returned to tennis after many years it was about the most difficult thing to do to cultivate a good throwing motion. Any change throws your muscle memory into dis-coordination and it takes patience and discipline to work through it. Thank you for making this video!
Thanks for watching and joining me on the journey!
great help for the ones that struggle with the left hand toss. Thanks for sharing, in my opinion all makes sense. Your knowledge seems to come for experimenting and testing instead of so many others that repeat formulas.
Well done, have been struggling with my toss for 44 years but this summer I am committed to fixing it...will be trying your drills and ideas out. Thanks so much for showing federer, sampras, soldering and del potro...your explanation of their tosses was super helpful
Thank you so much. I have been having trouble with the toss for a little while now; good to see someone spell it out for me.
PERFECT. GREAT INTRUCTION. VERY CLEAR EXPLANATION. THANKS
Thoughtful analysis, thorough and helpful. Keep up the great videos!!!
Finally, a great in depth explanation for a consistent serve. Thanks so much. Subscribed!
Thank you for this in-depth lesson coach, I will take my daughter (and myself) out to the court to practice these tips!
This video found me when I was questioning how to fix my serve. Amazing. Great tips that I’ll be trying out. Gonna get my toss sorted! Thanks!
You're breaking it down very thoroughly. Great video.
Useful demo of a variety of serve styles. Even taking that one point away of left arm up can help serve percentage a lot
The detailed explanations are always appreciated because nuances of movements are often difficult to recognise. Thanks, Coach Steven, for your detailed instructions.
This is great instruction! You have a knack for breaking down the stroke/serve/technique to its simplest forms.
Really helpful video. Explains the mechanics of the serve and how important the toss is in keeping everything in rhythm. I'll be trying this out next time I'm on the court! Thank you
Looking forward to the next piece on the serve. I also fixed my toss to a straight arm and neutral ball release after 62 years.
This helped me so so much, thank you!
I love the different styles of serving! This video helped so much thank you
thank buddy, after 15 years of continious tennis practising your video has made me to construct my serve again, after so many time trying to get a good serve tecnique
Excellent video. He got my problem exactly, but different than others, provided the simple and concrete answer to resolve it.....Now I have to go work on it. Thanks!
I was just thinking about the toss. Thanks!
Thank You For Your Lesson, it was very-very interesting!
Great 👍tips on the toss! I have been struggling with my toss for many years and now will really start to focus on the right technique!
I really enjoy your videos! Thanks for continuing to make them!
Thank you so much! The palm up alone - within minutes - fixed years of inconsistency in my serve
I ve see hundreds of video and private lessons but this the best tip that helped me improve my toss and elavete my next step towards a good serve
Well done
Thanx
Cool footage showing your progression. Most players on the tour even need to watch this video. It's absolutely nuts how many of them have the crazy toss...and it's nuts how their coaches let them get away with that shit.
Very helpful. Appreciate the effort to do a detailed video.
Great video thanks. Helps A LOT!
Thank you for this..I will give it a try!! I need all the help I can get!!
Good Job. I really like the way you repeat the the main points. Also, your use of Real Life examples does bring out the point forcefully. Good teaching!
Excellent demonstration - you are a good teacher - Thanks!
Good to see a tutorial from someone who is still on a path with their serve mechanics, just like everyone watching. I feel sometimes that very experienced coaches/youtubers have forgotten how they learned and their serve is now 100% muscle memory, so I question their ability to teach effectively. My tossing arm also bends and the latest thing I’m trying is having a really extended (flexed backwards) wrist… I think it’s harder for the elbow to bend if the wrist is extended back as far as it’ll go. I’m finding that this means I need to use a thumbless grip, so the ball is mainly held between my index and little fingers.
great honest down to earth coaching!!!
Thank you! Great video which really helped me.
Outstanding demo thanks
Tons of value, Steve. For me, as I was struggling with the toss for many years, all is right, clear and great. Though for some beginners I'm afraid it's too lengthy presentation...🤔 They might be lost... At least for me it wasn't easy to keep concentration.
Would you release an abridged version of this focused just on the toss? I'd definitely spread that very enthusiasticly. Again thank you so much for this great input 👍👋🤗
Thanks for taking on a topic that gets very little attention. Great job sharing Coach !
The "palm up like holding a platter" over your head on the toss has help my daughter's toss and serve immensely. Thank you, that tip is priceless.
Tom Barry It's the wrong image entirely. You should really feel like you're hanging from a handle with that left hand, rather than holding something II with it.
You have the most Federer like stance I’ve ever seen, really really good service motion. I’m also suffering from bad ball toss.
Excellent video. I have previously heard about the snow cone grip on the ball, but did not realize (until this video) that it meant to turn one's hand sideways. Also, I like the figure 8 practice. In one match the sun was so bad I actually hit the ball well without looking at it. Ha, ha.
Wow great video. Very thorough.
I loved you tips, you are very specialist and kind, thank you
Very good advice and an excellent teaching style.
Awesome sir thank you for the tips! I’ll try the blind figure eight out today!
Super! Lots of good info. Thank you.
Very useful tip. Will definitely try it
Excellent. Perfect instructions 5 stars
First I have seen the vertical throwing arm, thanks for the tip
Thanks to the RUclips platform for popping this video up. I am gonna give it a try to fix my 20 years bad habit
Very useful!!! Thanks!!!
Thanks ,good points for nice service.
Good lesson. One of the best on the toss I've seen. I also liked how you showed your own progression of serve improvement and how you didn't edit out every imperfect serve you hit, even when you demoed how to serve. That's real. Thanks very much. What racquet do you use in the video? (not that it matters. I'm just curious.)
Thank you.. I use the Wilson N Six One the 2013 model 18x20
Awesome ~ great tips!!
Thanks man, I’m gonna record myself and see what I need to fix :)
You're exactly right. I had the same problem and only recently fixed it. I'm not perfect but a whole lot better, and the most benefit I got out of fixing the toss is not more power but better placement and a vastly improved second serve, since now I have a lot more confident that I will get the second serve in. Before I was always worry as I swung out the second serve. Now with good toss placement, all I do is adding just a bit more top spin to get the second serve in.
Great tips the new player, especially those of us who are a little older and don't want to open themselves up to unnecessary injury. Less is more.
Amazing Vid!
Brilliant innovation. I am 82, played for Pepperdine, roomed with Rob Landsorp, got him his first pro job, and wrote Winning Tennis for Sybervision on Chris Evert eons ago :) Your videos keep me learning and keep me young. Super thanks.
Thanks Geo! I’m sure you’re knowledge is immense being around the game so long!
nice tip - excellent vid - very good instruction and effective
Great video. Thanks!
Great tips. Thanks. I think Federer tosses it sideways to hide the slice/flat/kick from his opponent. No different toss for aim, just a slightly different timing when he strikes it. Can't wait to practice the palm up.
Thank you for sharing I’m going to try nexts time I’m at the court
In general, use of non-dominant arm (hand) is most ignored item in tennis. And it is most important, for any stroke. You have brains to uncover this most hidden problem and most professional hidden (ignored) feature of any Stroke Mechanics.
This is great. Thanks 😊
Well said and even better techniques. Your toss and swing path should be effortless. Sometime I continue to work on. Good Tips!
At the moment I am changing or trying to change my toss... after 37 years of playing tennis! I am a certified teaching pro, by the way and I have a decent serve... But it is driving me totally nuts. I feel comforted that there is another pro (who is much better than me) travelling the same road and I am going to try some stuff you suggested. One thing I have learned and already knew: the toss is so complex especially if you want to add power or spin or camouflage to your serve. Because then you have to add elements (like turned shoulders, or legdrive or whatever) and that influences the position of your shoulders, your hand and so forth... Very, very frustrating. My compliments for your sincere video
Thanks my friend.. I’m on the same road as you!
Jerome Inen LOL. I can’t tell you how many iterations my toss has gone through. There were moments when I thought I had it ... but only to be disappointed. So, I’m not going to say I’ve got it anymore. My serve toss seems to have a mind of its own because for now, it’s given me something I like again. It’s the best toss I’ve had so far. The toss matches my new serve mechanics perfectly. And yes, my serving mechanics (motion) went through many iterations as well. It’s a never ending quest for that “perfect” Serve.
Excellent - Thank you
To have a better tossing, I place my 4 fingers under the ball (balanced) and thumb on the top part of the ball to have more control and balance on the ball.
You are the best!
Good video and good channel! I looked for the bend and snap effect video you mentioned but I couldn't find it, where is it? Thanks!
where are you teaching? would love to look into your lessons if you are local! Awesome tips
This video had instant results for me this morning. The palm to the sky technique especially, but also to pick a point in the sky, short toss and dead ball, slow down etc. My accuracy went from 25%-50% in the service box to 75%-100%. Where can I find the bend-and snap effect video please?
I’ve heard it said the shoulder is the only hinge that moves on the toss (straight like a factory robot arm) and one should be able to see the seams or read the brand name on the ball as it’s tossed.
Thanks for the helpful video.
You are exactly like me. This is insane. Same exact problem.
dude thanks!
You are terrific.
That continuous no pause type serve you allude to and even allude to tossing the ball into this motion, Nick Kyrgios to me perfect example.
i love watching you. It all makes so much sense. With this virus, a person has time to watch videos and maybe get out and try some of these tips. Keep up the great work. I feel like you are my friend. It is so encouraging.
Thank you and stay safe!
Very interesting video, but tell me if you toss straight up, how do you get the ball into court (as most coaches suggest)? How does this toss work for the landing on the racquet head drill?
Very helpfull thanks
Can you comment on watching the ball all the way into the strings. If you look at Federer, he will still be looking at the point of contact after the racket and ball have cleared that space. Djokovic will already be looking up court as the ball is contacting the strings. As soon as the racket comes into my peripheral view, I tend to start moving my eyes up court. It is a hard habit to break. I wonder if it is worth working on since you see both styles at the top of the sport.
I am qualified to comment on this. I used to do serve practice 3 to 4 times a week with each session lasting an hour. I did this for 7 years. I had USTA NTRP 5 to 5.5 level serve while playing at NTRP 3.5/4.0 doubles. When my serve was ON, it was ON. I served so many aces I lost count, perhaps in the 1000s. However I had problems with consistency of toss. The toss is the most important starting point. It is complicated in the sense that moment and point of release is crucial in addition to arm being straight. Also, angle of the arm in relation to the left leg [for right handed players] is very important.
My serves already look like I'm closing my eyes.
This is one of the smartest tennis coach i have ever seen on youtube. He should be coaching at the USTA high performance tennis program
Nice video man, some stuff to think about.
7:00 did you just hit a two-handed forehand? That was weird. Love the super kamikaze net rusher too.
It’s amazing how overlooked the toss usually is. It’s so important yet gets almost no attention
Thanks for posting. I spent decades with a terrible toss and serve. I tried the fingertip hold on the ball and your ice cream cone (3:15). My stupid fingers often do something at the last instant, flinging the ball to unknown parts of the galaxy. I've gone back to my palm lift, no fingers touching the ball.
..Aha moment at 9:20 "visualize where to throw the toss"
I had my own Aha moment today (I hope) which was: keep my eye on the ball starting from before the toss to racket contact. Having my eye on the ball from waist-level to strike is like watching the ball going from the other player's racket to where I hit the ball. In other words, not watching the ball from waist-level is like shutting my eyes before the other player hits the ball, waiting a half second he hits to open them and trying to prepare for it. In the fifteen minutes I had to try that before darkness made me quit, I had a better ball position and a better connection with the ball--this with my non-dominant hand. Going back for more tomorrow, hoping to confirm this basic (for me) part of the serve.
Wow, ur awesome. With my Wilson H19 I can effortless hit serves with a lower toss. Could not replicate it with my RF97's which are much heavier. Your lesson helped me remember that my toss when using my RF97 needs to be much higher. I had forgotten this. I need more time to get the heavier RF97 up to the contact point.........hence a higher toss. Sometimes technique has to change with racquet changes. Your palm up at full extension tip helped immensely. Thanks.
Thank you very much .....
Thank you
Release the ball and Open up the fingers.. WOW.. been playing tennis for 20 years, now 4.5 level, and didn't know that
Watched your serve and what immediately stands out is your racquet hand staying idle during the toss. The right arm needs to move in unison with the toss arm or it will feel awkward forever.
That said, great tips appreciate your candor
It seems to me that the point of release is ultra important too. I release the ball too early I believe, which means the ball doesn’t go to that position between 12:00 and 1:00 on the imaginary clockface where the ideal contact point can be made. If the ball goes straight up from an outstretched arm it’s too far away, more like 2 o clock. Fine for extreme slice!! Seems the ball needs to arch a bit after it leaves the hand from right to left, if you get what I mean.