Always felt that superman gets more heat for only being as powerful as he need to be. He can throw hands with the strongest beings in the dc but looses fights against city lvl villains, his power lvl never stays constant
same with the whole “if superman goes out of control batman can beat him” like in reality it makes no sense that a person like batman could actually beat superman yet other more powerful characters people will just say superman would speed blitz them and he wins
He is constant the fuck? Bro doesn't want to kill anyone, the Superman Animated Series did it best. He lives in a world of cardboard and paper. Buildings, hell even mountains would crumble if he exerted enough power and force. But when he fought Darkseid he had a real opportunity to let loose because Darkseid is about as durable as Superman. So a villain like Lex who he could easily body, he holds back on. Which is why he is often put in those situations. Imagine you could for a moment dismantle anyone with a single flick of your finger. But if you did, you also murder an entire city street of innocent people. You are going to cause more harm than good.
To be fair, getting four solid hits off on mother trucking Darksied and LIVING to tell the tale is way more impressive than words can describe for a human man,
I agree... a normal human facing against a god like entity is badass... the problem is what casual fans keep saying Batman can solo the entire DC universe with "preptime"
One thing people say about him that I don’t like is how he refuses to kill murderers just so they can break outta prison and kill more people, even though he leaves their fate up to the law. It’s literally them getting locked up by the law not him he don’t act like a police officer. If anything, I hate how stupid the Gotham city is written and how it almost never seems to work well with Batman as a hero, almost like it’s a fictional world that only cares about him fighting people and not actually punishing the bad guys appropriately.
Yeah, Gotham makes no sense. Some of those villains be dropping stacks of bodies and the legal system throws them into Arkham, which can't decide if it's a low to medium security facility. I mean at least Marvel has like 30 different prisons for it villains, but DC only has Arkham and Bel Reve.
EXACTLY! The only reasons shit doesn't get better in Gotham are A: the writer's have to keep making stories, and B: the ground Gotham is built on is literally CURSED.
@@Nethan_The_Drawer exactly. But there are continuities where Gotham is indeed harmonious and safe, like the original 1939 Batmans Gotham, which is quite cool.
@@bigred212 I'm not entirely certain, I herd thus a while ago but I think it had something to do with someone named Backfire. Not to be confused with Starfire's sister.
@@Nethan_The_Drawer So what you are saying is, if we evacuate the city the problem will be solved. Also doesn't Gothan have a personification that can walk around.
Superman earns it. he's boring. What's exciting about watching a demigod that literally nothing can challenge! He broke out of a fucking universe design to kill him The showing that nothing can threaten him so he's boring to watch.
Facts, I may not love Batman but I fucking HATE Superman, I take the time and energy out of my soul to hate him everytime he's brought up and I can't even remember my original reason anymore.
@@VolfKami I hate both equally as much For Superman it’s mainly because he keeps getting protracted as this so called "super goat" by Dc fanboys when he does even the most slightest things and also powerscalers bringing out up cosmic armor Superman which is just bs For Batman well….he’s literally the writers self insert
Its difficult to judge a fictional character's actions because they are written by multiple writers. Each writer is not completely aware of how his predecessors have influenced that fictional character.
Or they are, but are narcissistic pricks that want to enforce and project their own opinions and ideals onto the characters and stories. This happened in Star Wars even before Disney ruined it. Writers from EU/Legends constantly argued about the whole "Light Side vs. Dark Side" subject. Some were wiser and created characters like Kreia to point out the Jedi's fallacies, while others were childish and went "Noooo, Jedi Good, Non-Jedi Bad, wup wup".
I mean I think for the no killing rule Jason is the example that explores that very flaw. After all Jason wasn't mad Batman didn't save him, he was mad that he didn't kill the Joker. I like Batman but I like Jason more, I wish more people would explore there dynamic in media
I think also the writers have put themselves in a corner with the villains being deemed criminally insane. Applying real world logic here, none of them are allowed to be executed. People like Ventriloquist, Harley Quinn, and Two Face could be saved via rehabilitation. However people like Joker and Zsasz can abuse this
@@chaosx3256 yeah I 5hink Joker is easily the biggest example of that since I'm pretty sure it was partially due to the chemicals so even if he wanted to be sane he couldn't unless they found a cure, but yeah someone like Harley could be rehabilitated, The show is good if you haven't seen it
@@wheresprototype3507 the stigma to Harley rehab was extended to Batman Beyond she was out of crime, but her granddaughters followed the same path joined the Joker Gang.
@@ainz2579 who else could he kill? He can't kill any of the bats villains because batman would stop him, plus he's just a undead guy who has access to guns and less morals then batman. I still love the character though
As a Batman fan, my personal issue with the character is that people keep pulling up the "prep time" argument whenever he is thrown in a versus battle. They always use it as his invincible end-all-be-all trump card when someone asks who would win between Batman and some other comic book character. Now sure, I can still recognize when the argument is only used as a joke or a meme, so it isn't always a nuisance. But in the times when it is used a genuine talking point, that's when it drives me up a wall.
Real. Mfs always say that to say he wins against people like Spider-Man, completely forgetting Spider-Man not only has better strength, durability and is way faster, and has better combat intelligence, and make webs into weapons like wrecking balls, but he can use his OWN prep time. He literally does it all the time, the Iron Spider suit is literally a example of this, even in non-comics he does it like Spider-Man PS4, Ultimate Cartoon, 90s Animated, and even the shit 2017 cartoon
@@angryboi595not only that but one of Batman's greatest strengths is his stealth, which doesn't work well when the person you're up against has been stated to not only be incredibly stealthy as well but have a sense that warns him of danger.
@@thesuperiorhobgoblin9048And the fact that he has suits that make him invisible, and has fought opponents who can make themselves invisible. Not to mention he's got much more insane feats than Batman, like taking on actual fucking gods just running hands and doing better than Batman did in his *one* fight against Darkseid
My thing is you can apply that argument to ANY other character. Like let's say there was a match-up between The Hulk and Bakugo from MHA. If Bakugo had prep time (knew the Hulk's weaknesses and had time to come up with plans on how to beat them before they even begin fighting), he could defeat the Hulk easily.
This is why I love the new Batman movie cause it properly explores how no matter how much money goes into Gotham nothing will change. Batman quite literally is the only answer as it is so corrupt.
@@tsnoob4669 That's just an issue with Marvel and DC entirely, why show us all the boring entrepreneur financing multiple charities, making diplomatic solutions, protesting against injustice, restructuring the justice system, when you can see Batman fight The Joker or Superman fight Luthor in a big game that test the heroes morals, and let the villains push their limits
I think the problem is that people overemphasize "oh, Batman interrogates people roughly, but he's so rich and would do better off helping people with his money!", but A) He literally does help people already, with charities, orphanages, and constantly giving criminals jobs at Wayne Tech to help them off the street, B) He saves his rough interrogations either for the worst of the criminals (usually the supervillains themselves or the most loyal of henchpeople) or it's a story about Batman going too far and needing to calm down, and C) Gotham is built over a hell hole, so anything Bruce Wayne does to try and long term fix the city will always fail.
because hes a hypocrite no matter how you spin it. Either he has a no kill rule that puts literally everyone in danger cuz the Gotham system is corrupt and just lets the criminals out in a few hours or days..or they simply escape. Or Hes a kiler which makes no sense given his no kil rule.
@@johnynoway9127 exactly. Why is he doing this whole routine when he knows it'll get even more people killed? Don't get me wrong, there are some versions of Batman that are so well done and I love them, but many are awful and conflicting, especially when it comes to his codes. They're just so convoluted and only serve to keep the plot dragging along.
@@yourshoulderdevil5229seriously? What a basic ass question, how many superhero’s haven’t killed someone knowing that the villain will kill more people? Then once they kill that villain they never stop killing. You mf’s just wanna hate on Batman
Ever since I was a kid Batman has been my idol, because he represents that you don’t need super powers to be super. That’s the reason why I despite how often they write off Batman as a cynical asshole. To me Alex Ross Batman has perhaps been the only one to have written Batman to perfection.
@@Moonman6882 yeah that’s a misconception that extreme BatFans like to enforce. I myself am a Batman fan and I will admit any day that he didn’t win, he got a few hits in on him which is impressive itself but if he went to Apokalyips for the sake of beating Darksied, he would’ve been mowed down The thing is, he went to face Darksied for the sake of retrieving his dead sons body, That’s. It. Batman fighting Darksied was to get him out of the way to buy him enough time to retrieve Damien and go back to earth. But I will also say this. I don’t really like it when people say that that fight was plot armor based. The HellBat suit itself isn’t a regular suit made by Bruce like his other ones, it was literally forged by all members of the justice league and each contributed their own special power to it
I'll say this. Batman always tackles the issue as the caped crusader and Bruce all the time. It's mentioned infrequently that Bruce donates billions per year to helping people in the city. The problem is that all of hid villians are as influential as him, with less morals. Put penguin in jail and he bribes his way out in a week, rigs the jury, and pays off the judge. Batman is the only superhero who goes out of his way to respect the system at large because he's just as human as the people he locks up. There is also the fact that Bruce is insane. Like criminally insane, just as much as the joker. Batman knows that joker is right in that finding the line between who you should and shouldn't kill is something he may become unable to do. Hence he doesn't cross the line at all.
That's the problem right there. He understands that he is crazy and he can't cross that line. But he is very weird when it comes up to letting other people kill or not which is weird. He literally will say he'll cover up a murder but at the same time save The Joker's life from Being murdered by someone else this don't make no sense.
@@FatefulMedia3383 You completely ignore the fact that me and Is person in this comment section Said that batman is basically insane and for some reason you compared this to eating sweets on a diet. If you look at some of the best diets out there especially for body builders and people Is hardcore sports you are allowed to cheap day. A day you can actually have sweets and it actually does you good.
Batman not only projects his No-kill policy onto others but also deals with villains who aren’t just dangerous… but often highly murderous. Joker, Bane, Rha’s Al Ghoul, the court of owls… his rogues aren’t just thug muscle and extra capable thieves, they are assassins and mass murderers that cannot/don’t want to be reasoned with or rehabilitated
That's not on him though that's the thing. He leaves it up to the law to deal with them, and Gotham never thinks to give them the death sentence. Like Joker, there a lot of things that he does that would not legally fall under insanity, so they could very easily just Execute him, but they never do. It's not Batman's fault at that point it's the city's.
@@dgriffin3113 it’s both gothams and Batman’s fault, like the police is stupid for never killing the villains but Batman is stupid too cause he never does it himself either
But he's not the only hero that does that though. Superman also does that, like one time when he stopped Batman from wanting to nuke an alien fleet that were invading Earth and when he stopped Wonder Woman from killing Mongul, who has a much higher kill count than even Joker. Then there's Spider-man, who admitted to Green Goblin that even if he killed Aunt May or any other loved ones, he still wouldn't kill him.
To be fair it has been directly shown that every time Batman goes against his no killing policy he goes completely whole hog off the rails like completely bat shit
So if he toe tags so much as ONE murderer he'll completely fly off the handle and start killing people indiscriminately? What type are mental retardation are YOU suffering from that you consider that to be noteworthy praise? That just paints him as an unstable sociopath
@@nolifealan9746 No, Batman is definitely against others killing. He gives heat to people who kill; Red Hood, Superman, Wonder Woman, and any other person he knows. The only person who gets away with it is Alfred because Bruce knows damn well he cannot convince Alfred to put the shorty away.
TBWL case is more on Joker's gas and also elseworld. I'm not well inform but I remember that most case come from dark multiverse that are destined to ruin no matter what.
What I hate is this “He has no powers” when that’s a straight up lie. Sure he TECHNICALLY doesn’t have powers, but his “peak human condition” is code for “can do superhuman feats with no drugs or power boosting abilities”. No, I believe he has superpowers.
Batman donated to the city before, but guess what? It didn’t matter. The whole city is corrupt, that’s why he doesn’t work with anyone regular besides Gordon, the most pure cop in Gotham. Then he has to go to plan b, fixing the crime himself. About his moral code, it’s more strict on himself than others, to protect everyone else. If he was to let loose and do whatever he wanted, everyone would be dead, his plot armor is crazy combined with the implications of not having a moral code. He inflicts his no killing rule onto other superheroes to keep them from going down that road as we’ve seen in injustice movie, with that smart guy and Superman playing chess. No one wants an out of control justice league, let alone out of control Batman. We’ve seen that…(Batman Who Laughs). Batman should really be only getting hate for his plot armor, he should not be tagging reverse flash and he should not be beating Superman. Unless he took a drug to keep him at their level, but most of the time he’s just a regular human.
True, he does say that he won't be able to get off that path. I will defer you to another Classic Man D video where he says; "All I hear in that sentence is that you have no self control."
@@metallord6960 that is one of the stupidest things I heard when I watched that video, it’s not that he doesn’t have self control, the control to not instantly snap the jokers fucking neck is proof enough especially using a green lantern ring proving his will. It’s that he’s aware of the mental tax it has to kill someone and he is paranoid that he won’t be able to handle it well and start losing his mind justifying killing people for less and less justifiable reasons till he’s simply doing it because he can.
@@metallord6960 Lol. That title itself contradicts the point since Batman is always opting to not kill his enemies. Sounds like a hell of a lot of self control to me.
“Almost dying but they’ll swear he won the fight” I mean he’s just a human, so even getting four shots off of a new god and not dying is a pretty big achievement, even if he didn’t win
@@ArcstarTheCommenter6337 yeah, they hype him up too much so new ppl look at him and are like “so he’s basically a god level human”. If I was to write a Batman comic, I’d write one where he kinda gets his ass kicked for most of the comic, but has to adapt to his enemy’s specific advantages to succeed instead of “he already has a gadget that will perfectly neutralize his foe”
The funny thing is, this is purposeful, it's the main irony to the character he's just as insane as the people he's fighting, the only thing stopping him is his want to not kill, not because of his parents, but because he knows he can't control himself.
Just finished Justice League Action, somehow a guy with a green lantern ring is more likely stranded and die in space than some guy wearing a bat latex suit. And in old justice league cartoon, Batman "beat" Darkside by... getting beat the bat out of him, near dead and only won by how seriously he is about nuking the whole planet.
Are you talking about Batman/ Superman Apocalypse? Cause in the JL cartoon it was Superman fighting evenly with Darkseid until Batman teleported him and Superman out, leaving darkseid to die in the explosion.
@@flapjack0762 he literally is the weakest justice league because hoof how unimaginative he is that's why the second green lantern is better (I forgot his name )
My issue is how people wank batman with "prep time," i dont care how much prep time he has, there are in fact fictional characters who EASILY stomp him WITH prep time
I always assume the reason why Batman put so much time and effort into being able to take down the other superheroes is because he always knew that eventually when the politicians think that they no longer need the heroes they'll turn on them and make them retire but Batman will never stop.. when that day comes you'll get a scenario like the Frank Miller comic
Uh, he's quite literally said that he has those contingencies incase of them ever become evil. If any of them ever turn on the justice league, ge has a way to stop them.
BM haters: BaT mAn DoEsN't KiLl! Justice Lord Batman: I'm just like him, but I kill. Where my fans? Where's my love? Where's my million movies where I'm played by difference actors with every new generation?
@@jamariobrown-tolliver8163 I hardly hear about them either. I mean, as far as I know, big mean daddy Wayne only had 1 movie & I don't even know who the other guy is.
Batman seems more like a lawful neutral person then anything else. Batty seems like he does what he does to prevent further loss and lets the person decide their own fate.
@@sagittario42after trying to explain I realized I was wrong. But he is still extreme dangerous because of his untrusting personality. Making him closer to Chaotic Good.
@@Lord-Weasel hmmmm. i can see that i can see that. he doesn't trust many and had a plan to kill his allies n shit. true it was for good reasons but damn batty
@@sagittario42 it's even more twist yet wholesome when you realize the Robins exist to stop(well try cause it's Batman(and he trained them))a rogue Batman.
Batman issue 1 he kills both Giant and Hugo Strange and is still himself. Of course this was early on before the no kill rule which was added later because bats is a "good guy" and couldn't go around offing villains when he thought they went too far.
JSA The Nail, the Joker used Kryptonian tech to kill Barbara and Dick, and Batman proceeded to kill him. He became traumatized and catatonic but snapped out of it afterwards and still continue to be Batman. Then there's the 89 film, he killed Joker and continued to be Batman. In the Endgame story arc, he battled Joker to the death, resulting in, well their deaths. Then they're brought back thanks to some "magic juice," and he continued being Batman.
@@tsnoob4669 1. I think that is an elseworld comic 2. That Batman had no problem with killing to began with 3. They both were brought back, forgetting they were joker and Batman, Bruce was reverted back to Batman before that whole battle. Even then I don't think he will be too comfortable killing again.
Eh attribute this to decades of inconsistency. I feel like everyone from comic writers, editors, directors, and producers get so caught up in making their version of Batman regardless of what came before and we as an audience just collectively take the things we like and that’s what becomes the most popular and notable. The same works in reverse people who don’t like Batman will use different reasons from comics or other even if those events contradict what has been done in other Batman media. We have all have our own collective image of what Batman is or should and be whether you’re a fan or not that’s just the kinda character Batman is now.
So, so true. This is just what happens with long-running comics. It’s why I like one-off comics the most. I also think that Batman would be a better character if he wasn’t rich.
B:TAS seasons 1 and 2 are peak Batman. Doesn't brutally injure his rogues and isn't a hypocrite. He is genuinely a good man trying to work toward a future that doesn't need him. But all writers and directors just want to make him edgy and sadistic.
My problem with Batman is that everyone around him is dumbed down to make him look better/cooler. Batman is a street level hero who’s main enemies are mobsters and regular humans, but somehow is able to stand against these planetary level beings.
THIS FUCKING THING EXACTLY and its not only batman, is almost any street level hero in a superhero group story, one of the reasons i despise the idea of the JL and most superhero groups in general, like, why the hell are they putting people like green arrow and batman against superman level threats when they're not even close to that level, like, the powerscaling AND powercreep is absolutely horrendous, wich means that if you're having a JL story, be it versus some "really powerful" enemy or maybe even versus themselves, both the enemy AND the supers will be nerfed horribly to give a place to the non supers, and it always ends up looking like bullshit levels of plot armor (Batman dodging a laser not even FLASH or supes could). and I don't hate street level heroes, i probably love them way more than their more op companions, but i think it would be a lot better if they would be in a whole different universe instead of trying to make them fit in one where planetary level beings are constantly invading earth- It would make stories with planetary or even city level threats more intense too (but they should not overuse those plots), as mere humans should device a way to deal with the threat without having to nerf other characters like hell just for the story to last. i think i wrote a bit too much lol, sorry if its hard to understand, English is not my main language
Pretty much this. Like, how the hell does he ever get the better of say, Superman who is absurdly more powerful in every single way and has a brain that works faster than Batmans and has super advanced alien tech? Same with the Flash, before a thought could even begin to form in Batmans head, any Flash could have killed him in a billion different ways but somehow Batman is a threat?
Rhas Al ghuul- immortal Bane- injects super human steroids into his spinal column The joker- disfigured by acid and suffered from psychosis Two face- also disfigured which caused a psychotic break into multiple personalities of evil and law Mr. Freeze- a dude who cannot exist outside of specific circumstances trying to cure a disease for his wife by himself. Killer croc a literal mutant Scarecrow- able to inject or dispense concentrated fear to the entire city of Gotham Man bat- another mutant And literally what seems to be every other assassin under the sun and EVEN his own child for a time thanks to Talia Yeah mobsters and regular humans bitch keep talking
@@MysteriousTomJenkinsbecause he IS a threat. Batman isn’t perfect no one is but Batman is prepared. He doesn’t even need that much time to prepare he’s already thought of ways to kill the league. Yes pretty much anyone in the league can kill Batman if they were so inclined but flash doesn’t have the killer instinct that Diana or Arthur would have. And even some of their best personality traits are weaknesses. Flash and Hal have been shown to be very cocky. Or even self absorbed. They live for the spotlight of being a hero or at least live off of the thrill like an adrenaline junky. Diana doesn’t know when to quit. Clark is naive. And Arthur is arrogant. All of these distinct personality traits can easily be exploited by the most basic of villains given proper instruction. Which is exactly what vandal savage did when he stole Batman’s plans to stop the league. Not to mention he has his utility belt which he’s shown to trick the flash with a trick batarang. When green arrow used flash to make Batman look like he had worse aim all it took was one batarang that when detonated ensnared the flash. Most other core league members are so far absorbed in their own sense of honor or justice or their own ways it’s beyond easy to use misdirection against them.
I love batman because of stuff like talking to Ace and other people. He truly wants villains to be reformed because he sees them all as something he could become
Facts. Modern Batman ISNT Batman. "If the Batman you wrote can't comfort a dying child; then you haven't written Batman, you've just put the Punisher in a Bat-mask."
Not really. I like Batman but I normally agree with this guy. Not on this 1) he claims he doesn't use his money to help Goth when he clearly does (if I remember right that's why the Court of Owls tried to assassinate him at the start of his New 52 run) 2) He gets hung up on the No Kill rule even though it makes both moral and logical sense for him not to kill and even then he still breaks it occasionally (KGBeast being the first major example I can think of )
His intelligence level is plot armor, that’s my biggest issue with him. Take someone like Iron Man, who is another rich genius hero who relies on tech, but said tech has had a long history of failures and improvements, in both comics and films. He’s allowed to mess up and not take something into account in order to learn from it, rather than have him always know what to do to defeat a threat, successfully or not. Compare this to Batman, who seemingly always knows what to do in every scenario in order to win a fight, meaning that there is not nearly as much tension as there should be In the great words of Allen Tsai: “Because Tony learn from his mistakes” Edit: hot damn did this blow up with comments! I’ll address the counter arguments in general here, yes Batman isn’t that plot-armored, and yes there’s a reason he’s so skilled. You’ve all made great points in that. I still prefer Iron Man, but I’ll admit I wasn’t fully right here
Aka batman is too perfect, and yet nothing ever improves. Batman would be better off as a more local,imperfect vigilante that takes down weaker targets. Would work better for his character than fighting gods with plot armor and a stupid moral code that doesen't work.
That's literally because he is shown to have trained for everything and anything while he was getting ready to become batman and even then there are times when he also make mistakes
@@hoobadoobamaster8551 Sure, he trained and prepared; but that doesn’t mean that his near perfectionism isn’t uninteresting, because it leaves him as a mostly static character. Always stoic, always ready for what other throw at him. And yes, there are times that he makes mistakes, but they’re so infrequent and often dumb mistakes that don’t jive with the character as is He’s to perfect to be a truly interesting character, to the point that messing up is a detriment to it
@@Derpzilla-tw2ox he's made to literally made to be a control freak being ready for any and everything no matter what so of course he's prepared for everything no matter how stupid or less likely the situation is. I mean the guy literally shows that he has a contingency plan place ready for everybody in the fucking world and beyond that that's kinda why he's always ready
You just perfectly summed up my issues with Batman (and to a lesser extent Spider-Man). It's not that they won't kill, it's their stubborn refusal to let others kill and/or be more proactive in securing their villains.
Main thing is that Spidey doesn't do that. He'll try to convince you not to kill, but if you do kill he won't hold it over you. Batman would spend the rest of his life hating you because you killed once.
@abhinav2500 I'll admit I was thinking of Disney's Ultimate Spider-Man saving goons from Deadpool as my prime example, but there was a time in the comics when he chose saving a criminal over arresting the Punisher.
PREACH say it louder for the guy who made this video. T'Challa and Mr. Fantastic take down Galactus using their intellect and people praise them for it but when Batman using his intellect makes Darkseid backdown and let them leave people use the PLOT ARMOR argument. You are right it's only due to him getting more attention for his feats.
Nah, it's the fans. The fans make Batman out to be a god in fiction and be the greatest written character of all time, not to mention versus debates where people say their insane takes when considering "prep time". Y'all did this to yourself and are blaming everyone else for the shitstorm you made
Honestly the no killing rule makes a lot of sense for Superheroes. 1: Most Superheroes (not Batman) have crazy amount of powers. Using restraint none encourages trust from the community's they trust, but also keeps the hero from falling to temptations when using their powers. Not just killing but any kind of immoral behavior. 2: Batman, along every other Superhero, is still under the same laws of their fellow civilians. Heck they technically break the laws because they're basically vigilantes with both good reputation and a local Police Department willing to look the other way. What happens when a Super starts killing, they themselves BECOME the target of the cops. There are a few exemptions but it doesn't look that good either way. 3: Community trust. I know I already mentioned it but I want to reiterate it. Trust is everything. If the people you are trying to protect fear you, they will look to the bad people with a sympathetic point of veiw, or even in a heroic light. This one is going to be a sensitive subject but hear me out. Alright look at what cops are going threw right now. If they end up shooting a suspect, even in self defense they get a suspension and a full on investigation, while the news and different rights groups will often jump on them out of the presumption it was a unjust shooting. And if that guy was a minority, it will most certainly bring those said groups, and preemptively label him or her as a racist. Now yes there are bad cops, and racist cops but is everyone of these cop shootings racially or criminally motivated? No.
I think the heart of the issue is most heroes have a no killing policy without batman needing to say anything. With comics having been written by hundreds of different people over the decades that line has been crossed by everyone at some point, but generally those are eventually removed from cannon or where a ehat if type story (ie injustice) So.for batman to go on about it is kinda like "yea we know"
This is why i prefer Superman. I used to be a big Batman-Meatrider. But then i read All Star Superman and it completely changed my view of Supes as a character. Superman is my favorite superhero and he is THE greatest superhero of all time. He was the first mainstream one, and hes still the most popular almost 86 years later.
I mean if you survive an encounter with dark side and live to tell about it then yeah I call that a win, because not even the entire green lantern core could lay a finger in him
Batman consistently supports Gotham financially, without him the city wouldn't be standing. Wayne Enterprises has done nothing but attempt to make Gotham a better place, a literal beacon of light in the dark. His villains surviving is the fault of the system, not himself. He puts them in jail, and the justice system decides not to kill them, for some odd reason. Killing his enemies would ultimately make him just as bad as them, and it would make him an actual vigilante. The only people he actually imposes his morals onto are the people that are specifically trained by him, which makes complete sense. His contingency plans for the other Justice League members are completely acceptable as well. You never know when one of them could snap, Injustice being a prime example. He has the knowledge and resources to figure out how to stop them (even himself) should any of them go rogue, and at that point its moreso a responsibility than a precaution. Hell, even Superman agrees with him, literally giving him a piece of kryptonite to stop him should he ever turn one day. Gotta say my man, this post was a swing and a miss.
Also, the Justice League doesn't even need to snap for these plans to be needed. They get mind controlled every Tuesday and they meet evil alternative versions of themselves just as often.
My favorite aspect of Batman had always been the detective stuff about him, the vigilante persona was just a nifty wrapping, for all of its flaws. To watch him go out and gather clues to figure out who/what he was dealing with, and watching him put the pieces together for that _"Oh!"_ moment. Or, maybe, just feed all of the information into the "Bat-crime-computer" and _wait._ Seriously, though, my love of Batman was always that he was Bruce Leelock Holmes! And I feel like that gets lost in almost every movie or TV series..... Except TaS, that shit was *DOPE!*
There's reasons to dislike Batman like how he's overrated among people or how he is favored among plot armor to triumph over situations he shouldn't but this. This ain't it chief. You have comics and people here pointing out that Bruce has done all of this and things remain the same because of corruption, unrepentance or just status quo plot. Batman keeps to his code because he knows deep down he is a disturbed man and if he went over the line he would only fall further. Edit: Just a reminder here for everyone in the comments. Any issues you may have with Batman can probably be directly sourced to who is writing them. You have incarnations that many of you would like and that many of you would despise. Among the biggest problems with comics is continuity. It's nearly a century old format and these characters are as old if not older than our grandparents. Writers come and go and philosophies among the corporation change. Saying "which version"? Doesn't apply to just powerscaling it also applies to character personality, development and all other narrative nuances. Even if a single writer had written plenty of issues it doesn't compare to say manga. Where a single man or woman can write entirely within their vision or with minimal interference from their publisher.
Then he should retire and let someone who can get shit done do his job better than him. Because clearly if his own deranged madness is the root to his problems, then he doesent deserve to be gotham's hero.
Honestly I think Superman catches way more heat than Batman overall, nowadays all you hear about Superman is that he’s boring and has no character (which is absolutely not true)
We just live in a current era with hyper realism is very important, that's why your more human characters are beloved. Superman's abilities and incredible virtuous personality, just scratch that itch. Unfortunately superman kinda doesn't work with what dc has going for it
The fact that a lot of heroes and villains basically have an OP insta-kill move to kill an opponent, but all of that is voided when Batman is thrown into the mix... it's not really Prep time anymore... it's becoming more of Plot Armor
Me too I like killer croc because he puts batman in physically demanding situation and he maybe a brute but he still human and just wants to be normal and have normal skin instead of scales
I mean, in Injustice when Superman said he was going to take the prisoners out of Arkham and move them far away/somewhere they could never hurt anyone again (could be thinly veiled 'im just gonna kill them all') Batman went to stop him so I mean...yeah
@@shipper-of-heart8898 But that's not really them getting the death sentence. That's one guy unilaterally deciding to kill all of them. There are in fact issues with that line of reasoning.
@@abbadon9693 bullshit. So what’s the difference between superman and the idiots in power that hold nothing but a title? Bc someone has the title of judge, they can choose who dies, but Superman can’t?? At that point, Superman had control over a lot of governments if not all. Batman’s a straight up bitch
Bruce usually can't change things 9 times out of 10 due to how corrupt Gotham is, like I'm suprised most people don't call out how garbage the Gotham justice system is, they know joker is sane yet still dont give him a death penalty. Second: Batman's no killing rule exists for a reason, almost everytime he kills a villain something goes terrible(Bruce either starts murdering every criminal in his path or he somehow becomes evil). On the morality part about him projecting whilst you are correct, Bruce's morality most of the time keeps the justice league or other heros together, hell his morality is the reason why harley was able to become a good person in the injustice verse.
And other times Batman is quick to criticize someone for actually trying to do the job he once stopped the punisher from killing the joker Batman impose his morality on everybody he genuinely thinks people should follow his own flawed sense of morlity Batman doesn't understand far and too far he lacks that ability he's a literally self righteous hypocritical piece of trash
My exact argument for this is the same as always when it comes to the no killing rule thing: if you want a character who kills go read or watch one. Yeah he's admitted he has made things worse but he still keeps on trying to make things better. But yeah the guy isn't perfect and yeah he does put his morality on others but yet that ideology still keeps going. Flawed or not he does get results.
People bring up the no killing thing like it's a new criticism, like the writers aren't keenly aware of it's faults. The comics themselves bring up the gaps in it all the time. So many Batman stories really explore and push his one rule: The Killing Joke, Under The Red Hood, The Dark Knight, Knightfall, Year One, and even all the Arkham Games. I have to believe that people who say this have just never really looked into Batman beyond the surface level.
These criticisms just don't apply to Batman though. Batman doesn't enforce his no killing rule on other heroes unless they are in the Bat Family, and even then he makes exceptions. In fact, Batman has admitted on several occasions that plenty of his villains deserve to die, he's just not willing to do it. As for the whole "he doesn't use his assets to help Gotham" shit. Uh, yes he does. Gotham is just such a shit hole that even Bruce Wayne's money can only do so much. Batman is a GOAT.
THIS! This cannot be stressed enough. Batman has indeed been putting his money where his mouth is, but Gotham is a complete shithole. Batman's only crime is that he keeps defending a city that doesn't WANT to defend itself. There's so many villains in his roster that any citizen with a gun - hell - any cop could have just gone rogue and ambushed them. But there's not enough readers who would want that. And it gives too much finality to a comicbook super hero. Otherwise these people would stay married 🙄
Batman would probably be more like if it was for his fans. Like for real I tried to to one about a Batman v Captain America. The word “Prep Time” came up at less 13 times its crazy.
They have to add some weakness to him, or he'd be literally gary sue, or worse, saitama from one punch man, which is kinda awesome but not why people read batman.
But the thing is he has a lot of plot armor. Look at Superman he has a weakness he’s literally weak to krytonite (however you spell it). But Batman yea he a human and shit but when he going up against niggas from space and shit that should single-handedly be able to kill/beat his ass. they aren’t able to. I don’t hate him because of his morals I hate him because of his immense plot armor 🧐
@@orelez1518 I was making a joke that anything bad that's attributed to a character can be brushed off with ,"they could just be written better, they're not a real person"
My favorite thing about Yuji's domain is that Sukuna hasn't broken out yet Either Yuji's domain is VERY SPECIAL or his domain might actually be STRONGER THAN SUKUNA'S (and by that logic, than Gojo's)
Wait a minute, now I haven’t been keeping up with comics for a while, to my knowledge Wayne industries is one of the chief donators of funds and technology to not only the Gotham Police but also the Metropolis and other cities. And when most of the high tier superheroes go a wall, Bats is the one with the contingency plan. I get the problem with his moral code and no killing rule, but that rule mainly applies to humans. But what people seem to forget about heroes like Supes and Bats when it comes to their No killing rule. Both aren’t completely sane, to the point where they put that iron clad rule to control themselves because if they do they likely won’t know when to stop. Not to mention if either of them started killing, every government and press company start collectively sh*tting themselves out fear, and making their their contingency plans, at least those that haven’t been made already. That how we get timelines like Justice lords, Injustice, etc
If they are mad enough that they need a no killing rule, then clearly they're not sane enough to be heroes. Let someone more competent take their cape.
@@raylenn4444 terrible point like the other guy said who do you give it to? A human? Who’s going to stand up to people like joker bane killer croc brainiac darkseid apocalypse (I think that’s what the rock type killing machine is called) lex Luthor No one bruh okay maybe Batman’s villains but even then they are mentally fucked up and aren’t easy to take down
For me I started to dislike him when every writer wanted to make him God! Like no he's a human being, with human skills, let him stay human! The stories I really do like are the ones where he's allowed to be human, to be vulnerable. To show emotions. The batman movie shows that very well.
Yes the Batman movie is great but also the Arkham series. Those games are one of the few times Batman and all his villains are done right. Even scarecrow is genuinely horrifying and not a fucking joke.
just because a character is flawed and doesn't make sense doesn't really matter to me. people assume i'm a batman hater because i say shit like "batman breaks his own morals by indirectly letting people die literally all the time"... but um despite that, he's still a cool ass character with cool storytelling, cool action, and even cooler swag. the fact he can fight alongside gods and still hold up as a key member of the group is just fire. i mean you don't have to "love" batman but i just can't see a real reason to dislike his character.
I mean, Batman's morals are moreso "I will not personally have a hand in killing someone" and less "I will not let that villain die". He has, in several comics, agreed that some people should just die. But he's on the verge of insanity, so if he were to commit the act himself he realizes he wouldn't be able to stop, which would lead to even petty criminals being murdered. Of course this varies from author to author, but generally that's his philosophy. That's why I love him, he's not just black and white, he's incredibly morally complex AND a badass.
i think everyone should be able to have their opinions so I understand why you might not like batman and your points are valid but for me it makes him more interesting as a character to stick to his belief's no matter what and especially when his belief one society really do think about what gives you or anyone the right to take a life and for that it makes me love batman's character and also they do explain why batman doesn't kill hes scared to become crazy and make killing default which we got to see how a evil batman can be very hard persuade once he has killed and with his intellect and cleverness he would be very hard to put down that makes him more interesting because hes on the line of being the hero or the villian
The things people hate Batman for are the things that they could hate any superhero or villain for. They have legit changed Superman's entire ability set like 101 times I'm not trying to hear it.
Superman's ability has barely changed in the last few decades. Batman has every convinent tool at his disposal to take down just about everyone. Don't get me wrong, every superhero has plot armor but when it comes to batman it's just ridiculous.
@@nearby222 a grown man fighting against clowns crocodiles and scarecrows make sense while being dressed as a bat comic books make no sense especially for characters like Superman
Batman does use his resources to help people in Gotham most people just don't want the help in fact he's actually openly given ex criminals jobs at Wayne tech and at other places he does both
@@user-yw6fb8us7jexcept he does he has repeatedly offered jobs as Bruce Wayne to current criminals and they rarely take the jobs they don't want help, tell Batman has multiple non-profit charities like the Wayne foundation that does exactly what people say he should do but they just ignore that to hate on him. You can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.
@@alexandervazquez7770 I do not believe he offered a tech job to an uneducated purse snatcher or drug mule lol. The authors can whip whatever they want out of their ass, but not shot everyone ignores it because you absolutely never seen that shit
I'm just gonna make these points quick because I feel like most people already know this. 1. Batman does try to use his wealth to try and help Gotham, Gotham is just kind of beyond saving. 2. Whether or not the "No Kill Rule" is interesting to you or annoying is kind of subjective. I personally like the interpretation that the reason he has it isn't as much of a moral rule as it is an acknowledgement from Batman himself that he isn't completely mentally stable and needs to hold himself to some extra rules to make sure he isn't just as bad as the villains he fights. It is kind of annoying when he forces this rule on others though. 3. Superman. Superman gets more heat than Batman. At least when people shit on Batman they acknowledge some good things about his character. Everyone who calls Superman "boring" thinks they're the first person to come to that conclusion and ignores the SHIT TON of times Superman stories where anything but boring. People are willing to show Batman that courtesy, but not usually Superman.
I like his no killing rule, though I usually hate when heros have it. With Batsy, it seems like he's just kinda crazy. Dude won't kill the JOKER of all people. For all of Batman's intelligence and logic, he makes the emotional decision not to kill a mass murder. It's so unaligned with everything else he does that I find it interesting Batman is just as insane as his enemies, he's just using his insanity for good.
Spiderman has 2 mass murderers as villains, green goblin and carnage. He doesn't kill them and event prevents their deaths on several occasions. Is he insane too?
The no kill rule he has is a good thing, it's not HIS fault that the Joker keeps getting out. It's the justice system. Batman beats his enemies and throws them in jail, what happens to them there is up to the system. A lot of the time, directly killing a person of your own individual volition does make you as bad as any other villain. You just wind up like the Punisher, which definitely isn't good.
@@thedankgnasty1890 you bring up the punisher, he tried to kill the joker but batman stop him. Batman does not care for the innocent only the thrill of the chase.
@@okthanks8061 just let the justice system do it, let them put him on the chair. Batman has recognized that it's not his place to tell them whether to sentence him to death, but they never do, because of bad writing.
That's the thing though when it comes to dark side Batman is straight up willing to kill him If the threat is big enough he throws his no killing rule out the window
Yeah that's literally wrong my guy Bruce Wayne gave multiple funds to Gotham not only that he gave multiple state of the art gadgets to the gcpd they just don't use it not only that he has a project to make Gotham the greatest/safest city in the world not only that he literally recreated Gotham when it was at its lowest so yeah and why don't you say that ironman egomaniac
And despite all thoses things you claim he did, his rogues gallery still exists to make the lives of gotham's pepole because he won't kill them. Despite all that, the police is as powerless as ever in gotham. Despite all that, many live in desperate enough conditions to turn down to crime. Despite all that, the safety in town is at an all time low. So think about it, is he REALLY doing enough for gotham, or is he doing the bare minimum so he can keep playing as batman and fight his rogues galery?
Absolutely he gives away tons of resources to help others from charities, programs for jobs and getting out of bad situations but it can’t be helped when the meta humans keep getting out of control. Ironman gets a free pass when he kills his bad guys but if Batman so much as kills the joker he goes to jail.
@@raylenn4444 I mean to be fair here this is a super hero comic book not a slice of life comic it'd be pretty boring if Batman actually made Gotham a utopia. I think that op's point was that he actually does want the best for Gotham. It's the same reason why it's mentioned that he has several charities but you never see the comic book series were Bruce Wayne files his taxes. It'd be boring
But you know batman has locked up every one of his villians atleast once right it's not his fault they break out. He doesn't need to put as much money into stopping his villians because they aren't as big a threat as mind controlled superman.
Still if he can invest the same money into beating up his friends he can invest the same money into making a prison that's physically no one can get in and no one can get out besides from him.
@@Moonman6882 that literally couldn’t exist in a comic book🤣 the only prison that’s “inescapable” is death and even then that isn’t true for the joker.
Alex Ross is perhaps the only one to have written Batman to perfection. I love the War on Crime comic, and it’s interpretation of Batman. It really shows a Batman that, not only cares but is wise. He’ll all of Alex Ross’s interpretations of DC’s greatest Heroes are the best they’re is.
Okay you cherry picked the hell out of that page you posted where you called him a hypocrite. He's basically saying he keeps trying to find ways to stop them without killing them but they won't just stay down, so in that regard everything that happened, including Alfred's death was on him. That's a far cry from admitting to being a hypocrite.
In my opinion, he basically admitted to the fact that if he had killed these people, they never would've came back and all the horrible events including Alfred's death could've been prevented. Batman's no kill rule is annoying since it has nothing that would benefit anyone. If he killed Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, The Riddler, Deathstroke, Bane, Solomon Grundy and his rogues gallery (which he had numerous opportunities to kill) he could've prevented so many deaths caused by these villains, the only exception is Joker since killing Joker might have a Domino affect or Joker's laughing gas is exhaled once dead, infecting Batman and ending the world basically. He should still leave the small time criminals alone but the "big bads" gotta go
@@goomyliaplayz7911 if he kills them tho he's not a hero he's just another murderer and then he goes to jail too what good would that really do in the long run there will always be more villains so bringing them to justice is the best thing to do
@@tehronmoment1367 he would've been a hero if once jailed, the villains could never escape, but they do, and they always kill, with Batman killing the villains he can save all the future victims. He wouldn't be a hero if he killed small time criminals but if he were to kill major villains like Bane and Poison Ivy then that would be heroic. When people go to war, how come the soldiers are considered heroes for killing the oppressors? It is because do they do it for the greater good, the reason all the soldiers that sacrificed their life and killed the n@zi soldiers are considered heroes are because they do it for the greater good.
I'm not too sure if insane people can receive the death penalty but if you plead insanity you can get out of jail time but your pit into a psych ward. Like Arkham
Batman is a good character despite his flaws. DC just needs to commit to letting him grow and improve as a person. The problem are his fans, who just want him to be this false image of who he is.
Honestly I can't in good conscience say that Batman's no kill rule is solely the reason Gotham is still messed up. I mean even after he beats the mess out of his rogues and hands them over to the cops, its Gotham's legal system that keeps allowing them to escape. And granted, even then, let's be real. Like Jason said, while everyone else is at least somewhat debatable, the fact that Joker hasn't been tossed into the electric chair or something is actual cap. As for him spending so much resources on other heroes? On one hand, yeah that's kinda messed up. On the other hand, I also can't actually fault Batman for this one because *DC keeps proving him right!!!* How many times has Superman ALONE been mind controlled, turned evil or cloned!? Never mind the fact that Zod is just, a person who can show up whenever, so yeah, let Bats keep that Kryptonite on 'em.
Think about it like this we have seen in multiple story lines how people think of batman as more of a villain than a hero what would happen when he starts killing not to mention if he started killing other people would be inspired by him to do the same
Yeah one of the reasons he doesn't kill was so none of the Robins ever did, he failed with Jason and is failing with Damien but mostly success with Dick and Tim.
The problem is with the DC universe, is it really stops working when you put all of them together. Most the time DC is at its best when heroes are put in their own individual story lines. And at it's worse in terms of logic when you use the justice league.
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Batman trusts society and upholds the justice system rather than become his own. That's how he's not a vigilante. His parents tried to heal Gotham through wealth and failed that's why Batman takes a much more painful surgical approach.
If he were 'surgical' about it he'd remove the cancerous tumors that were killing his city instead of leaving them to do as they pleased without the fear of ANY consequences outside of getting punched out by a rich prick with delusions of grandeur
Bro here's something that I don't understand, is that many reasons people don't like Batman people love Black Panther. Batman has plot Armor, I would argue Black Panther vibranium literally does any and everything required for the plot in any given situation is plot armor, Batman is a hypocrite, Black Panther has faltered over the many years I mean shoot he joined Captain Marvel in Civil war 2 why would he do that , also he dated a whole white woman(joke) Batman fans think he can do anything, Black Panther fans will literally say stuff like he solos the entire DBZ world and upscale every one of his feats to the umpteenth degree, and what's funny is having loved both characters, they're so similar in attitudes and behaviors. But people will jump on Batman for things they love in other characters and not touch the root of Batman's other genuine problem like how is 35 and all his robins are darn near adults. I feel like writers write batman in cross overs like an asshole deliberately and comic fans take this to actually disparage his character. And to the point that batman fans lie about his feats, EVERY AND WHEN I SAY EVERY COMIC BOOK FAN LIES ABOUT THEIR FAVORITE HERE EVERY COMIC BOOK FAN AT SOMEONE POINT IS EITHER MISINFORMED, WRONG OR LIES ABOUT A CHARACTER but for some reason batman and his fans get the most flack, the most hate , and the most criticism. Like daredevil literally has a section of new york to police and that joint will never not be on fire but batman gets flack because he can't save gotham.
Batman be like: he’s still alive I just broke his spine.
and then be joker comes back blows up 10 buildings and gets his spine broken again repeat the cycle
Batman knows as his spine was broke too
The only spine batman has broken was joker's once
@@grass-touched wasn't it by bane in an old movie?
@@ThatOneChristianAnimeLover pretty sure
I just hate when people say batman can beat (insert person here) with preptime. Every. Single. Time. It drives me crazy.
Same.
Newsflash: not every opponent will grant that prep time.
Yeah his plot armor and dick riders are what really irks me
A whole year later and this is still going on. With the only acception being Jesus himself💀💀💀
@@Alterego912 Even if they did theres just some people too far out of his league
@@Alterego912He blends in dark ness and hides in a hidden cave so he could have prep time
Always felt that superman gets more heat for only being as powerful as he need to be. He can throw hands with the strongest beings in the dc but looses fights against city lvl villains, his power lvl never stays constant
same with the whole “if superman goes out of control batman can beat him” like in reality it makes no sense that a person like batman could actually beat superman yet other more powerful characters people will just say superman would speed blitz them and he wins
@@deathking1019 yea superman would punch a hole through batman before he even blinks
@@Atom30261 thank you, I swear batman fans keep saying otherwise
He is constant the fuck? Bro doesn't want to kill anyone, the Superman Animated Series did it best. He lives in a world of cardboard and paper. Buildings, hell even mountains would crumble if he exerted enough power and force. But when he fought Darkseid he had a real opportunity to let loose because Darkseid is about as durable as Superman. So a villain like Lex who he could easily body, he holds back on. Which is why he is often put in those situations. Imagine you could for a moment dismantle anyone with a single flick of your finger. But if you did, you also murder an entire city street of innocent people. You are going to cause more harm than good.
@@Jedda678 well said
To be fair, getting four solid hits off on mother trucking Darksied and LIVING to tell the tale is way more impressive than words can describe for a human man,
Superman usually gets dunked on by darkseid too.
I agree... a normal human facing against a god like entity is badass... the problem is what casual fans keep saying Batman can solo the entire DC universe with "preptime"
@@alexguzman9997 he probably could except for spector and fate.
I mean Batman who laughs is just Batman freed from the harness
@@blastphantomgames6369
True
One thing people say about him that I don’t like is how he refuses to kill murderers just so they can break outta prison and kill more people, even though he leaves their fate up to the law. It’s literally them getting locked up by the law not him he don’t act like a police officer. If anything, I hate how stupid the Gotham city is written and how it almost never seems to work well with Batman as a hero, almost like it’s a fictional world that only cares about him fighting people and not actually punishing the bad guys appropriately.
THIS
Well said 👌🏾
Yeah, Gotham makes no sense. Some of those villains be dropping stacks of bodies and the legal system throws them into Arkham, which can't decide if it's a low to medium security facility.
I mean at least Marvel has like 30 different prisons for it villains, but DC only has Arkham and Bel Reve.
Guees the villain have plot armor too
Agreed
Batman literally helps his city with his resources all the time. A lot of stories tackle that topic.
EXACTLY! The only reasons shit doesn't get better in Gotham are A: the writer's have to keep making stories, and B: the ground Gotham is built on is literally CURSED.
@@Nethan_The_Drawer exactly. But there are continuities where Gotham is indeed harmonious and safe, like the original 1939 Batmans Gotham, which is quite cool.
@@Nethan_The_Drawer Damn fr
Gotham is deadass a terrible fuckin place to be😂
But why is it a cursed and who cursed? If you don't mind me asking
@@bigred212 I'm not entirely certain, I herd thus a while ago but I think it had something to do with someone named Backfire. Not to be confused with Starfire's sister.
@@Nethan_The_Drawer So what you are saying is, if we evacuate the city the problem will be solved. Also doesn't Gothan have a personification that can walk around.
"Can you think of a hero that catches more heat than batman does."
Superman, by like, a lot.
Superman earns it. he's boring. What's exciting about watching a demigod that literally nothing can challenge! He broke out of a fucking universe design to kill him The showing that nothing can threaten him so he's boring to watch.
Facts, I may not love Batman but I fucking HATE Superman, I take the time and energy out of my soul to hate him everytime he's brought up and I can't even remember my original reason anymore.
@@VolfKami I hate both equally as much
For Superman it’s mainly because he keeps getting protracted as this so called "super goat" by Dc fanboys when he does even the most slightest things and also powerscalers bringing out up cosmic armor Superman which is just bs
For Batman well….he’s literally the writers self insert
@@doctorhelth you hate both?? You serious lol
@@VolfKami cringe
“I am justice”
*Breaks every bone in your body*
Sometimes that justice
Goons aren’t innocent people just cause there poor doesn’t excuse it it’s just understandable
FOR GOTHAM!
-Batman tiktok
*NOW TALK*
Batman does, actually put money into social services of Gotham.
Its difficult to judge a fictional character's actions because they are written by multiple writers. Each writer is not completely aware of how his predecessors have influenced that fictional character.
Took the words right out of my mouth
basically inconsistency
Or they are, but are narcissistic pricks that want to enforce and project their own opinions and ideals onto the characters and stories.
This happened in Star Wars even before Disney ruined it. Writers from EU/Legends constantly argued about the whole "Light Side vs. Dark Side" subject. Some were wiser and created characters like Kreia to point out the Jedi's fallacies, while others were childish and went "Noooo, Jedi Good, Non-Jedi Bad, wup wup".
and dont forget that those writter also need their story to be approved by their higher ups,so not just writter
for real
I mean I think for the no killing rule Jason is the example that explores that very flaw. After all Jason wasn't mad Batman didn't save him, he was mad that he didn't kill the Joker. I like Batman but I like Jason more, I wish more people would explore there dynamic in media
I think also the writers have put themselves in a corner with the villains being deemed criminally insane. Applying real world logic here, none of them are allowed to be executed. People like Ventriloquist, Harley Quinn, and Two Face could be saved via rehabilitation. However people like Joker and Zsasz can abuse this
@@chaosx3256 yeah I 5hink Joker is easily the biggest example of that since I'm pretty sure it was partially due to the chemicals so even if he wanted to be sane he couldn't unless they found a cure, but yeah someone like Harley could be rehabilitated, The show is good if you haven't seen it
@@wheresprototype3507 the stigma to Harley rehab was extended to Batman Beyond she was out of crime, but her granddaughters followed the same path joined the Joker Gang.
Jason literally just kills low level goons that's why I hate him
@@ainz2579 who else could he kill? He can't kill any of the bats villains because batman would stop him, plus he's just a undead guy who has access to guns and less morals then batman. I still love the character though
As a Batman fan, my personal issue with the character is that people keep pulling up the "prep time" argument whenever he is thrown in a versus battle. They always use it as his invincible end-all-be-all trump card when someone asks who would win between Batman and some other comic book character.
Now sure, I can still recognize when the argument is only used as a joke or a meme, so it isn't always a nuisance. But in the times when it is used a genuine talking point, that's when it drives me up a wall.
Real. Mfs always say that to say he wins against people like Spider-Man, completely forgetting Spider-Man not only has better strength, durability and is way faster, and has better combat intelligence, and make webs into weapons like wrecking balls, but he can use his OWN prep time. He literally does it all the time, the Iron Spider suit is literally a example of this, even in non-comics he does it like Spider-Man PS4, Ultimate Cartoon, 90s Animated, and even the shit 2017 cartoon
@@angryboi595not only that but one of Batman's greatest strengths is his stealth, which doesn't work well when the person you're up against has been stated to not only be incredibly stealthy as well but have a sense that warns him of danger.
@@thesuperiorhobgoblin9048And the fact that he has suits that make him invisible, and has fought opponents who can make themselves invisible. Not to mention he's got much more insane feats than Batman, like taking on actual fucking gods just running hands and doing better than Batman did in his *one* fight against Darkseid
@@ellingtonf1097and the fact that he has suits like the velocity suit that literally can make him a speedster
My thing is you can apply that argument to ANY other character. Like let's say there was a match-up between The Hulk and Bakugo from MHA. If Bakugo had prep time (knew the Hulk's weaknesses and had time to come up with plans on how to beat them before they even begin fighting), he could defeat the Hulk easily.
This is why I love the new Batman movie cause it properly explores how no matter how much money goes into Gotham nothing will change. Batman quite literally is the only answer as it is so corrupt.
They even talked about it in Batman Begins, but they never touch upon it ever again, which is disappointing.
Hes the only answer, and even then, it's not a particularly good answer... its just the best answer avaliable
@@tsnoob4669
That's just an issue with Marvel and DC entirely, why show us all the boring entrepreneur financing multiple charities, making diplomatic solutions, protesting against injustice, restructuring the justice system, when you can see Batman fight The Joker or Superman fight Luthor in a big game that test the heroes morals, and let the villains push their limits
Yeah and the justice system is the bullet that kills the crooks of wait no
Jason would be a better answer if they ever let him do stuff outside of small things and small crime bosses.
I think the problem is that people overemphasize "oh, Batman interrogates people roughly, but he's so rich and would do better off helping people with his money!", but A) He literally does help people already, with charities, orphanages, and constantly giving criminals jobs at Wayne Tech to help them off the street, B) He saves his rough interrogations either for the worst of the criminals (usually the supervillains themselves or the most loyal of henchpeople) or it's a story about Batman going too far and needing to calm down, and C) Gotham is built over a hell hole, so anything Bruce Wayne does to try and long term fix the city will always fail.
Man, everyone was complaining about Batman's no killing code, but the moment this man started killing, people got so mad about it.
because hes a hypocrite no matter how you spin it.
Either he has a no kill rule that puts literally everyone in danger cuz the Gotham system is corrupt and just lets the criminals out in a few hours or days..or they simply escape.
Or
Hes a kiler which makes no sense given his no kil rule.
They get mad because his rule is constantly talked about and emphasized, then it's just thrown away. They never write it well.
@@yourshoulderdevil5229 or its like "hey i killed 1 person,time to become a sociopath"
Bruh... if youre THAT unstable go be Bruce 24/7
@@johnynoway9127 exactly. Why is he doing this whole routine when he knows it'll get even more people killed? Don't get me wrong, there are some versions of Batman that are so well done and I love them, but many are awful and conflicting, especially when it comes to his codes. They're just so convoluted and only serve to keep the plot dragging along.
@@yourshoulderdevil5229seriously? What a basic ass question, how many superhero’s haven’t killed someone knowing that the villain will kill more people? Then once they kill that villain they never stop killing. You mf’s just wanna hate on Batman
Ever since I was a kid Batman has been my idol, because he represents that you don’t need super powers to be super. That’s the reason why I despite how often they write off Batman as a cynical asshole. To me Alex Ross Batman has perhaps been the only one to have written Batman to perfection.
And then you get older and realize that "daddy's money" is unironically the most powerful superpower around.
@@AStrangeWindmill it is though, whoever said money isn't important was lying.
@@AStrangeWindmill yeah you're right but Thats only like half of what makes Batman a good superhero
@@AStrangeWindmill if you don't think batman could sell every last dime and not get billions of dollars back within a year or so your bias
@@cheezo8 a smooth half but only half for sure
The reason he ran away from the fight with Darkseid is because the suit that he was wearing was running off his actual life force
Thank you! Glad somebody actually paid attention to the comic💯
That doesn't change the fact that his whole point was Batman fans like the spread misinformation and say he won.
@@Moonman6882 yeah that’s a misconception that extreme BatFans like to enforce. I myself am a Batman fan and I will admit any day that he didn’t win, he got a few hits in on him which is impressive itself but if he went to Apokalyips for the sake of beating Darksied, he would’ve been mowed down
The thing is, he went to face Darksied for the sake of retrieving his dead sons body, That’s. It. Batman fighting Darksied was to get him out of the way to buy him enough time to retrieve Damien and go back to earth.
But I will also say this. I don’t really like it when people say that that fight was plot armor based. The HellBat suit itself isn’t a regular suit made by Bruce like his other ones, it was literally forged by all members of the justice league and each contributed their own special power to it
No one even says he won apart from super fanboys, everyone just claims he fought darkseid which is generous but still below actually winning
I'll say this. Batman always tackles the issue as the caped crusader and Bruce all the time. It's mentioned infrequently that Bruce donates billions per year to helping people in the city. The problem is that all of hid villians are as influential as him, with less morals. Put penguin in jail and he bribes his way out in a week, rigs the jury, and pays off the judge.
Batman is the only superhero who goes out of his way to respect the system at large because he's just as human as the people he locks up.
There is also the fact that Bruce is insane. Like criminally insane, just as much as the joker. Batman knows that joker is right in that finding the line between who you should and shouldn't kill is something he may become unable to do. Hence he doesn't cross the line at all.
That's the problem right there. He understands that he is crazy and he can't cross that line. But he is very weird when it comes up to letting other people kill or not which is weird. He literally will say he'll cover up a murder but at the same time save The Joker's life from Being murdered by someone else this don't make no sense.
@@brandonfitzgerald-eo3tk It's similar to seeing someone eating sweets when you are on a diet. It gets easier the more you see others giving in.
@@FatefulMedia3383 You completely ignore the fact that me and Is person in this comment section Said that batman is basically insane and for some reason you compared this to eating sweets on a diet. If you look at some of the best diets out there especially for body builders and people Is hardcore sports you are allowed to cheap day. A day you can actually have sweets and it actually does you good.
@@brandonfitzgerald-eo3tk bro chill stop getting is hard pressed on a fictional character
@@anonymousgoblin792 I'm not getting hard pressed i'm just telling a truth here
Batman not only projects his No-kill policy onto others but also deals with villains who aren’t just dangerous… but often highly murderous. Joker, Bane, Rha’s Al Ghoul, the court of owls… his rogues aren’t just thug muscle and extra capable thieves, they are assassins and mass murderers that cannot/don’t want to be reasoned with or rehabilitated
That's not on him though that's the thing. He leaves it up to the law to deal with them, and Gotham never thinks to give them the death sentence. Like Joker, there a lot of things that he does that would not legally fall under insanity, so they could very easily just Execute him, but they never do. It's not Batman's fault at that point it's the city's.
@@dgriffin3113 it’s both gothams and Batman’s fault, like the police is stupid for never killing the villains but Batman is stupid too cause he never does it himself either
he still doesn’t see it at his responsibility to kill them. just to bring them to justice.
But the justice system is a joke so there's no point
But he's not the only hero that does that though. Superman also does that, like one time when he stopped Batman from wanting to nuke an alien fleet that were invading Earth and when he stopped Wonder Woman from killing Mongul, who has a much higher kill count than even Joker. Then there's Spider-man, who admitted to Green Goblin that even if he killed Aunt May or any other loved ones, he still wouldn't kill him.
To be fair it has been directly shown that every time Batman goes against his no killing policy he goes completely whole hog off the rails like completely bat shit
Which while fair I do find strange. I mean this is also a characters with various forms of self mastery of the mind.
So if he toe tags so much as ONE murderer he'll completely fly off the handle and start killing people indiscriminately?
What type are mental retardation are YOU suffering from that you consider that to be noteworthy praise? That just paints him as an unstable sociopath
Batman isn't against killing its himself killing something we need to wonder is why doesn't Gotham have the death penalty
@@nolifealan9746 No, Batman is definitely against others killing.
He gives heat to people who kill; Red Hood, Superman, Wonder Woman, and any other person he knows. The only person who gets away with it is Alfred because Bruce knows damn well he cannot convince Alfred to put the shorty away.
TBWL case is more on Joker's gas and also elseworld. I'm not well inform but I remember that most case come from dark multiverse that are destined to ruin no matter what.
What I hate is this “He has no powers” when that’s a straight up lie.
Sure he TECHNICALLY doesn’t have powers, but his “peak human condition” is code for “can do superhuman feats with no drugs or power boosting abilities”.
No, I believe he has superpowers.
that's not a superpower that's just plot armor
Batman donated to the city before, but guess what? It didn’t matter. The whole city is corrupt, that’s why he doesn’t work with anyone regular besides Gordon, the most pure cop in Gotham. Then he has to go to plan b, fixing the crime himself. About his moral code, it’s more strict on himself than others, to protect everyone else. If he was to let loose and do whatever he wanted, everyone would be dead, his plot armor is crazy combined with the implications of not having a moral code. He inflicts his no killing rule onto other superheroes to keep them from going down that road as we’ve seen in injustice movie, with that smart guy and Superman playing chess. No one wants an out of control justice league, let alone out of control Batman. We’ve seen that…(Batman Who Laughs). Batman should really be only getting hate for his plot armor, he should not be tagging reverse flash and he should not be beating Superman. Unless he took a drug to keep him at their level, but most of the time he’s just a regular human.
@@durrangodsgrief6503 Uh...yeah. The Court of Owls and Ra's Al Ghul made that abundantly clear.
@@durrangodsgrief6503 a little bit more than thousand my guy
True, he does say that he won't be able to get off that path. I will defer you to another Classic Man D video where he says; "All I hear in that sentence is that you have no self control."
@@metallord6960 that is one of the stupidest things I heard when I watched that video, it’s not that he doesn’t have self control, the control to not instantly snap the jokers fucking neck is proof enough especially using a green lantern ring proving his will. It’s that he’s aware of the mental tax it has to kill someone and he is paranoid that he won’t be able to handle it well and start losing his mind justifying killing people for less and less justifiable reasons till he’s simply doing it because he can.
@@metallord6960 Lol. That title itself contradicts the point since Batman is always opting to not kill his enemies. Sounds like a hell of a lot of self control to me.
“Almost dying but they’ll swear he won the fight”
I mean he’s just a human, so even getting four shots off of a new god and not dying is a pretty big achievement, even if he didn’t win
Yeah but they won't put it like that. They will be like "He SoLo'eD dArKsieD"
@@ArcstarTheCommenter6337 yeah, they hype him up too much so new ppl look at him and are like “so he’s basically a god level human”. If I was to write a Batman comic, I’d write one where he kinda gets his ass kicked for most of the comic, but has to adapt to his enemy’s specific advantages to succeed instead of “he already has a gadget that will perfectly neutralize his foe”
@@datdankdj8264 That sounds pretty solid
@@ArcstarTheCommenter6337 thanks! Now if only I didn’t have the drawing skill of a 4th grader
@@datdankdj8264 😆, just keep practicing and you'll get it eventually lol
Batman is the leader of the justice league, can take down villans on superman level. But then is like " _oh no the Joker escaped!_ *Again* " I can't.
The funny thing is, this is purposeful, it's the main irony to the character he's just as insane as the people he's fighting, the only thing stopping him is his want to not kill, not because of his parents, but because he knows he can't control himself.
Just finished Justice League Action, somehow a guy with a green lantern ring is more likely stranded and die in space than some guy wearing a bat latex suit.
And in old justice league cartoon, Batman "beat" Darkside by... getting beat the bat out of him, near dead and only won by how seriously he is about nuking the whole planet.
Are you talking about Batman/ Superman Apocalypse? Cause in the JL cartoon it was Superman fighting evenly with Darkseid until Batman teleported him and Superman out, leaving darkseid to die in the explosion.
Yes it's the whole character of gl that he has the strongest weapon in the world but still manages to be the weakest
@@ainz2579 what? No the heck it's not, hal is arguably the strongest green lantern and he isn't weak just not as popular
@@flapjack0762 he literally is the weakest justice league because hoof how unimaginative he is that's why the second green lantern is better (I forgot his name )
@@ainz2579 so you think green arrow would beat hal?
My issue is how people wank batman with "prep time," i dont care how much prep time he has, there are in fact fictional characters who EASILY stomp him WITH prep time
I always assume the reason why Batman put so much time and effort into being able to take down the other superheroes is because he always knew that eventually when the politicians think that they no longer need the heroes they'll turn on them and make them retire but Batman will never stop.. when that day comes you'll get a scenario like the Frank Miller comic
Uh, he's quite literally said that he has those contingencies incase of them ever become evil. If any of them ever turn on the justice league, ge has a way to stop them.
BM haters: BaT mAn DoEsN't KiLl!
Justice Lord Batman: I'm just like him, but I kill. Where my fans? Where's my love? Where's my million movies where I'm played by difference actors with every new generation?
Batfleck too
@@therealone_20 I don't see many people praising him either.
Hey you forgot Grin Knight and Thomas Wayne
@@jamariobrown-tolliver8163 I hardly hear about them either. I mean, as far as I know, big mean daddy Wayne only had 1 movie & I don't even know who the other guy is.
Exactly people say they want a Batman who kills but when they get one they hate on him.
Batman seems more like a lawful neutral person then anything else. Batty seems like he does what he does to prevent further loss and lets the person decide their own fate.
Nah I think more Lawful Chaotic.
@@Lord-Weasel mind explaining further?
@@sagittario42after trying to explain I realized I was wrong. But he is still extreme dangerous because of his untrusting personality. Making him closer to Chaotic Good.
@@Lord-Weasel hmmmm. i can see that i can see that. he doesn't trust many and had a plan to kill his allies n shit. true it was for good reasons but damn batty
@@sagittario42 it's even more twist yet wholesome when you realize the Robins exist to stop(well try cause it's Batman(and he trained them))a rogue Batman.
The reason why Batman doesn't kill is because he's insane and he knows it, name me one story where Batman kills somebody and doesn't go crazy
Batman issue 1 he kills both Giant and Hugo Strange and is still himself. Of course this was early on before the no kill rule which was added later because bats is a "good guy" and couldn't go around offing villains when he thought they went too far.
@@gilgameshdevourerofworldsg4101 bruh, your using a old batman from like 4 reboots ago
@@omnipresent9175 dude asked him to name one story…. and he named 1 story…. 💀
JSA The Nail, the Joker used Kryptonian tech to kill Barbara and Dick, and Batman proceeded to kill him. He became traumatized and catatonic but snapped out of it afterwards and still continue to be Batman.
Then there's the 89 film, he killed Joker and continued to be Batman.
In the Endgame story arc, he battled Joker to the death, resulting in, well their deaths. Then they're brought back thanks to some "magic juice," and he continued being Batman.
@@tsnoob4669
1. I think that is an elseworld comic
2. That Batman had no problem with killing to began with
3. They both were brought back, forgetting they were joker and Batman, Bruce was reverted back to Batman before that whole battle. Even then I don't think he will be too comfortable killing again.
Eh attribute this to decades of inconsistency. I feel like everyone from comic writers, editors, directors, and producers get so caught up in making their version of Batman regardless of what came before and we as an audience just collectively take the things we like and that’s what becomes the most popular and notable. The same works in reverse people who don’t like Batman will use different reasons from comics or other even if those events contradict what has been done in other Batman media. We have all have our own collective image of what Batman is or should and be whether you’re a fan or not that’s just the kinda character Batman is now.
this... all of this right here
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So, so true. This is just what happens with long-running comics. It’s why I like one-off comics the most. I also think that Batman would be a better character if he wasn’t rich.
This really is the only correct take on things like this. So many people just can’t wrap their head around this concept.
Yup
B:TAS seasons 1 and 2 are peak Batman. Doesn't brutally injure his rogues and isn't a hypocrite. He is genuinely a good man trying to work toward a future that doesn't need him. But all writers and directors just want to make him edgy and sadistic.
My problem with Batman is that everyone around him is dumbed down to make him look better/cooler.
Batman is a street level hero who’s main enemies are mobsters and regular humans, but somehow is able to stand against these planetary level beings.
THIS FUCKING THING EXACTLY
and its not only batman, is almost any street level hero in a superhero group story, one of the reasons i despise the idea of the JL and most superhero groups in general, like, why the hell are they putting people like green arrow and batman against superman level threats when they're not even close to that level, like, the powerscaling AND powercreep is absolutely horrendous, wich means that if you're having a JL story, be it versus some "really powerful" enemy or maybe even versus themselves, both the enemy AND the supers will be nerfed horribly to give a place to the non supers, and it always ends up looking like bullshit levels of plot armor (Batman dodging a laser not even FLASH or supes could).
and I don't hate street level heroes, i probably love them way more than their more op companions, but i think it would be a lot better if they would be in a whole different universe instead of trying to make them fit in one where planetary level beings are constantly invading earth-
It would make stories with planetary or even city level threats more intense too (but they should not overuse those plots), as mere humans should device a way to deal with the threat without having to nerf other characters like hell just for the story to last.
i think i wrote a bit too much lol, sorry if its hard to understand, English is not my main language
Pretty much this. Like, how the hell does he ever get the better of say, Superman who is absurdly more powerful in every single way and has a brain that works faster than Batmans and has super advanced alien tech? Same with the Flash, before a thought could even begin to form in Batmans head, any Flash could have killed him in a billion different ways but somehow Batman is a threat?
Rhas Al ghuul- immortal
Bane- injects super human steroids into his spinal column
The joker- disfigured by acid and suffered from psychosis
Two face- also disfigured which caused a psychotic break into multiple personalities of evil and law
Mr. Freeze- a dude who cannot exist outside of specific circumstances trying to cure a disease for his wife by himself.
Killer croc a literal mutant
Scarecrow- able to inject or dispense concentrated fear to the entire city of Gotham
Man bat- another mutant
And literally what seems to be every other assassin under the sun and EVEN his own child for a time thanks to Talia
Yeah mobsters and regular humans bitch keep talking
@@MysteriousTomJenkinsbecause he IS a threat. Batman isn’t perfect no one is but Batman is prepared. He doesn’t even need that much time to prepare he’s already thought of ways to kill the league. Yes pretty much anyone in the league can kill Batman if they were so inclined but flash doesn’t have the killer instinct that Diana or Arthur would have. And even some of their best personality traits are weaknesses. Flash and Hal have been shown to be very cocky. Or even self absorbed. They live for the spotlight of being a hero or at least live off of the thrill like an adrenaline junky. Diana doesn’t know when to quit. Clark is naive. And Arthur is arrogant. All of these distinct personality traits can easily be exploited by the most basic of villains given proper instruction. Which is exactly what vandal savage did when he stole Batman’s plans to stop the league. Not to mention he has his utility belt which he’s shown to trick the flash with a trick batarang. When green arrow used flash to make Batman look like he had worse aim all it took was one batarang that when detonated ensnared the flash. Most other core league members are so far absorbed in their own sense of honor or justice or their own ways it’s beyond easy to use misdirection against them.
@@factorrandom1864it’s because Batman and other heroes like him have developed tricks and weapons to deal with more powerful threats.
I love batman because of stuff like talking to Ace and other people. He truly wants villains to be reformed because he sees them all as something he could become
Facts. Modern Batman ISNT Batman.
"If the Batman you wrote can't comfort a dying child; then you haven't written Batman, you've just put the Punisher in a Bat-mask."
@@k_tess Except not even that is all too accurate because the Punisher _very much kills_
@@thomasthecoolkid7228And takes pleasure too
Batman fans are the reason why he gets so much hate. They swear this man can beat any character in any media with "prep time" 😂
People really be their feelings hurt when someone doesn't like Batman.
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No, people are mostly pointing out how bad his points are
spreading misinformation that makes other dumb people such as yourself say dumb shit like this🤣
Not really. I like Batman but I normally agree with this guy. Not on this
1) he claims he doesn't use his money to help Goth when he clearly does (if I remember right that's why the Court of Owls tried to assassinate him at the start of his New 52 run)
2) He gets hung up on the No Kill rule even though it makes both moral and logical sense for him not to kill and even then he still breaks it occasionally (KGBeast being the first major example I can think of )
His intelligence level is plot armor, that’s my biggest issue with him.
Take someone like Iron Man, who is another rich genius hero who relies on tech, but said tech has had a long history of failures and improvements, in both comics and films. He’s allowed to mess up and not take something into account in order to learn from it, rather than have him always know what to do to defeat a threat, successfully or not.
Compare this to Batman, who seemingly always knows what to do in every scenario in order to win a fight, meaning that there is not nearly as much tension as there should be
In the great words of Allen Tsai: “Because Tony learn from his mistakes”
Edit: hot damn did this blow up with comments! I’ll address the counter arguments in general here, yes Batman isn’t that plot-armored, and yes there’s a reason he’s so skilled. You’ve all made great points in that. I still prefer Iron Man, but I’ll admit I wasn’t fully right here
Aka batman is too perfect, and yet nothing ever improves.
Batman would be better off as a more local,imperfect vigilante that takes down weaker targets.
Would work better for his character than fighting gods with plot armor and a stupid moral code that doesen't work.
That's literally because he is shown to have trained for everything and anything while he was getting ready to become batman and even then there are times when he also make mistakes
@@hoobadoobamaster8551 Sure, he trained and prepared; but that doesn’t mean that his near perfectionism isn’t uninteresting, because it leaves him as a mostly static character. Always stoic, always ready for what other throw at him.
And yes, there are times that he makes mistakes, but they’re so infrequent and often dumb mistakes that don’t jive with the character as is
He’s to perfect to be a truly interesting character, to the point that messing up is a detriment to it
@@Derpzilla-tw2ox he's made to literally made to be a control freak being ready for any and everything no matter what so of course he's prepared for everything no matter how stupid or less likely the situation is. I mean the guy literally shows that he has a contingency plan place ready for everybody in the fucking world and beyond that that's kinda why he's always ready
I agree, but I suppose his wealth could be plot armor too? Without his wealth he would be able to pool resources to be prepared for EVERY scenario.
You just perfectly summed up my issues with Batman (and to a lesser extent Spider-Man). It's not that they won't kill, it's their stubborn refusal to let others kill and/or be more proactive in securing their villains.
Main thing is that Spidey doesn't do that. He'll try to convince you not to kill, but if you do kill he won't hold it over you.
Batman would spend the rest of his life hating you because you killed once.
@abhinav2500 I'll admit I was thinking of Disney's Ultimate Spider-Man saving goons from Deadpool as my prime example, but there was a time in the comics when he chose saving a criminal over arresting the Punisher.
People only hate on Batman because he’s popular. Every other complaint is just lip service and half truths.
PREACH say it louder for the guy who made this video. T'Challa and Mr. Fantastic take down Galactus using their intellect and people praise them for it but when Batman using his intellect makes Darkseid backdown and let them leave people use the PLOT ARMOR argument. You are right it's only due to him getting more attention for his feats.
@Lee Brown exactly 💯
First off no he not popular not as much as spiderman you and second off get off this fictional dude d!ck man i swear you batman fans be werid as hell
No nigga. Batman is not the perfect character y’all make him out to be and his character deserves criticism like everyone else
Nah, it's the fans. The fans make Batman out to be a god in fiction and be the greatest written character of all time, not to mention versus debates where people say their insane takes when considering "prep time". Y'all did this to yourself and are blaming everyone else for the shitstorm you made
Honestly the no killing rule makes a lot of sense for Superheroes.
1: Most Superheroes (not Batman) have crazy amount of powers. Using restraint none encourages trust from the community's they trust, but also keeps the hero from falling to temptations when using their powers. Not just killing but any kind of immoral behavior.
2: Batman, along every other Superhero, is still under the same laws of their fellow civilians. Heck they technically break the laws because they're basically vigilantes with both good reputation and a local Police Department willing to look the other way. What happens when a Super starts killing, they themselves BECOME the target of the cops. There are a few exemptions but it doesn't look that good either way.
3: Community trust. I know I already mentioned it but I want to reiterate it. Trust is everything. If the people you are trying to protect fear you, they will look to the bad people with a sympathetic point of veiw, or even in a heroic light. This one is going to be a sensitive subject but hear me out. Alright look at what cops are going threw right now. If they end up shooting a suspect, even in self defense they get a suspension and a full on investigation, while the news and different rights groups will often jump on them out of the presumption it was a unjust shooting. And if that guy was a minority, it will most certainly bring those said groups, and preemptively label him or her as a racist. Now yes there are bad cops, and racist cops but is everyone of these cop shootings racially or criminally motivated? No.
I think the heart of the issue is most heroes have a no killing policy without batman needing to say anything.
With comics having been written by hundreds of different people over the decades that line has been crossed by everyone at some point, but generally those are eventually removed from cannon or where a ehat if type story (ie injustice)
So.for batman to go on about it is kinda like "yea we know"
@@prof.loophole9708 good point
This is why i prefer Superman. I used to be a big Batman-Meatrider. But then i read All Star Superman and it completely changed my view of Supes as a character. Superman is my favorite superhero and he is THE greatest superhero of all time. He was the first mainstream one, and hes still the most popular almost 86 years later.
Nah Spider-Man js
I respect it, but I'm sticking to Batman
I grew up with the DCAU and the Arkham games I ain't giving up my goat
@@vegetacultminorityhunter worrd
I mean if you survive an encounter with dark side and live to tell about it then yeah I call that a win, because not even the entire green lantern core could lay a finger in him
Just makes the gl corps seem mad weak when a guy in a suit puts up 100x more of a fight than them
@@Coostard said guy in a suit would be one of the strongest lanterns in the core but sure😭
Batman consistently supports Gotham financially, without him the city wouldn't be standing. Wayne Enterprises has done nothing but attempt to make Gotham a better place, a literal beacon of light in the dark. His villains surviving is the fault of the system, not himself. He puts them in jail, and the justice system decides not to kill them, for some odd reason. Killing his enemies would ultimately make him just as bad as them, and it would make him an actual vigilante. The only people he actually imposes his morals onto are the people that are specifically trained by him, which makes complete sense. His contingency plans for the other Justice League members are completely acceptable as well. You never know when one of them could snap, Injustice being a prime example. He has the knowledge and resources to figure out how to stop them (even himself) should any of them go rogue, and at that point its moreso a responsibility than a precaution. Hell, even Superman agrees with him, literally giving him a piece of kryptonite to stop him should he ever turn one day. Gotta say my man, this post was a swing and a miss.
Bro I'm not going to lie I fully agree.
Finally someone who gets it, these RUclipsrs i swear
Also, the Justice League doesn't even need to snap for these plans to be needed. They get mind controlled every Tuesday and they meet evil alternative versions of themselves just as often.
@@Nethan_The_Drawer true that
And don't forget the batman who laughs.
Batman CANONICALLY is extremely philanthropic
My favorite aspect of Batman had always been the detective stuff about him, the vigilante persona was just a nifty wrapping, for all of its flaws.
To watch him go out and gather clues to figure out who/what he was dealing with, and watching him put the pieces together for that _"Oh!"_ moment.
Or, maybe, just feed all of the information into the "Bat-crime-computer" and _wait._ Seriously, though, my love of Batman was always that he was Bruce Leelock Holmes! And I feel like that gets lost in almost every movie or TV series.....
Except TaS, that shit was *DOPE!*
He was also a detective in The Batman 2022.
I remember seeing detective Batman quite abit in the Telltale series.
There's reasons to dislike Batman like how he's overrated among people or how he is favored among plot armor to triumph over situations he shouldn't but this. This ain't it chief. You have comics and people here pointing out that Bruce has done all of this and things remain the same because of corruption, unrepentance or just status quo plot. Batman keeps to his code because he knows deep down he is a disturbed man and if he went over the line he would only fall further.
Edit: Just a reminder here for everyone in the comments. Any issues you may have with Batman can probably be directly sourced to who is writing them. You have incarnations that many of you would like and that many of you would despise. Among the biggest problems with comics is continuity. It's nearly a century old format and these characters are as old if not older than our grandparents. Writers come and go and philosophies among the corporation change. Saying "which version"? Doesn't apply to just powerscaling it also applies to character personality, development and all other narrative nuances. Even if a single writer had written plenty of issues it doesn't compare to say manga. Where a single man or woman can write entirely within their vision or with minimal interference from their publisher.
Then he should retire and let someone who can get shit done do his job better than him.
Because clearly if his own deranged madness is the root to his problems, then he doesent deserve to be gotham's hero.
@@raylenn4444 he not the hero Gorham deserves but he the pne that it needs now go somewhere else
There's literally only a few times he's carried by plot but people just keep saying it like god damn
Im just saying the red hood does what batman does just fine except he kills
But he doesn't even really stick to that code as he kills non humans,and sets people up die like he did Johnny quick
Huge Batman fan but Superman catches ten times the heat for no good reason
I'm glad the comments arent immediately agreeing with him like you'd find under most videos do
Honestly I think Superman catches way more heat than Batman overall, nowadays all you hear about Superman is that he’s boring and has no character (which is absolutely not true)
Yeah movie writers and Snyder don’t know how to write him smh. With a god character you focus on what he can’t do rather than what he can.
We just live in a current era with hyper realism is very important, that's why your more human characters are beloved. Superman's abilities and incredible virtuous personality, just scratch that itch. Unfortunately superman kinda doesn't work with what dc has going for it
The fact that a lot of heroes and villains basically have an OP insta-kill move to kill an opponent, but all of that is voided when Batman is thrown into the mix... it's not really Prep time anymore... it's becoming more of Plot Armor
Correction
Prep time literally IS plot armor
Batman goated
There's flaws to all Heroes, I'm more of ay Villian guy but call me bias or not Batman will always be my number 1 Goat.
Me too I like killer croc because he puts batman in physically demanding situation and he maybe a brute but he still human and just wants to be normal and have normal skin instead of scales
Same!! Batman will forever be my number 1 in DC.
@@benfetter189 Same Croc needs to be in more movies. I loved him in the Arkham games.
Batmans the kind of dude that if one of the villians in gotham got the death penalty he would break them out of prison
Lord death man?
No he really wouldn't. Unless it's a wrongful conviction, Bruce isn't going to interfere with the law like that
I mean, in Injustice when Superman said he was going to take the prisoners out of Arkham and move them far away/somewhere they could never hurt anyone again (could be thinly veiled 'im just gonna kill them all') Batman went to stop him so I mean...yeah
@@shipper-of-heart8898 But that's not really them getting the death sentence. That's one guy unilaterally deciding to kill all of them. There are in fact issues with that line of reasoning.
@@abbadon9693 bullshit. So what’s the difference between superman and the idiots in power that hold nothing but a title? Bc someone has the title of judge, they can choose who dies, but Superman can’t?? At that point, Superman had control over a lot of governments if not all. Batman’s a straight up bitch
Bruce usually can't change things 9 times out of 10 due to how corrupt Gotham is, like I'm suprised most people don't call out how garbage the Gotham justice system is, they know joker is sane yet still dont give him a death penalty.
Second: Batman's no killing rule exists for a reason, almost everytime he kills a villain something goes terrible(Bruce either starts murdering every criminal in his path or he somehow becomes evil). On the morality part about him projecting whilst you are correct, Bruce's morality most of the time keeps the justice league or other heros together, hell his morality is the reason why harley was able to become a good person in the injustice verse.
And other times Batman is quick to criticize someone for actually trying to do the job he once stopped the punisher from killing the joker Batman impose his morality on everybody he genuinely thinks people should follow his own flawed sense of morlity
Batman doesn't understand far and too far he lacks that ability he's a literally self righteous hypocritical piece of trash
Plus he says that if he ever DID kill once, he'd just lose control. He'd never stop or some shit.
I agree but Batman has has literally put millions of dollars into Gotham trying to make it a better place.
Yet it's still a hell hole.
@@dantevic there are many reasons for that but none of them are Batman’s fault
My exact argument for this is the same as always when it comes to the no killing rule thing: if you want a character who kills go read or watch one. Yeah he's admitted he has made things worse but he still keeps on trying to make things better. But yeah the guy isn't perfect and yeah he does put his morality on others but yet that ideology still keeps going. Flawed or not he does get results.
People bring up the no killing thing like it's a new criticism, like the writers aren't keenly aware of it's faults.
The comics themselves bring up the gaps in it all the time. So many Batman stories really explore and push his one rule: The Killing Joke, Under The Red Hood, The Dark Knight, Knightfall, Year One, and even all the Arkham Games.
I have to believe that people who say this have just never really looked into Batman beyond the surface level.
Really? Cause I’ve seen versions that when Bruce quits being Batman, it’s made things worse
What results? A continuous cycle where peoples lives are put in danger because a man’s ideology?
While Batman does put his morality on others everyone else follows it despite not having to
These criticisms just don't apply to Batman though.
Batman doesn't enforce his no killing rule on other heroes unless they are in the Bat Family, and even then he makes exceptions. In fact, Batman has admitted on several occasions that plenty of his villains deserve to die, he's just not willing to do it.
As for the whole "he doesn't use his assets to help Gotham" shit. Uh, yes he does. Gotham is just such a shit hole that even Bruce Wayne's money can only do so much.
Batman is a GOAT.
The no killing rule is a joke. Batman has killed so many damn people. Not saying I hate or dislike Batman. Just that he definitely kills.
@@joshuawhite4609 who has he killed
@@omnipresent9175 He's killed a lot of people as the Batman who laughs but I'm assuming you're only talking about regular Batman
THIS! This cannot be stressed enough. Batman has indeed been putting his money where his mouth is, but Gotham is a complete shithole. Batman's only crime is that he keeps defending a city that doesn't WANT to defend itself.
There's so many villains in his roster that any citizen with a gun - hell - any cop could have just gone rogue and ambushed them.
But there's not enough readers who would want that. And it gives too much finality to a comicbook super hero. Otherwise these people would stay married 🙄
@@blksmagma that what always get me, everytime the cops get a hold on the joker, non of them think to gun down the joker right then and there
Even his own sidekicks said his logic is flawed and are willing to make an exception for putting joker on ice.
Batman would probably be more like if it was for his fans. Like for real I tried to to one about a Batman v Captain America. The word “Prep Time” came up at less 13 times its crazy.
No prep time bats slams
Batman without preptime still stomps cap what 💀
He fights death stroke who has a super solider serum 2 with no prep time and bane?
Counter argument that can be used on any Character: it's the writers fault 🤭
They have to add some weakness to him, or he'd be literally gary sue, or worse, saitama from one punch man, which is kinda awesome but not why people read batman.
But the thing is he has a lot of plot armor. Look at Superman he has a weakness he’s literally weak to krytonite (however you spell it). But Batman yea he a human and shit but when he going up against niggas from space and shit that should single-handedly be able to kill/beat his ass. they aren’t able to. I don’t hate him because of his morals I hate him because of his immense plot armor 🧐
I mean yeah, there have been good and bad Batman stories, what’s your point?
@@orelez1518 I was making a joke that anything bad that's attributed to a character can be brushed off with ,"they could just be written better, they're not a real person"
@@indra_vrtrahan he does have weaknesses there's beem countless comics showing his short comings.
My favorite thing about Yuji's domain is that Sukuna hasn't broken out yet
Either Yuji's domain is VERY SPECIAL or his domain might actually be STRONGER THAN SUKUNA'S (and by that logic, than Gojo's)
Wait a minute, now I haven’t been keeping up with comics for a while, to my knowledge Wayne industries is one of the chief donators of funds and technology to not only the Gotham Police but also the Metropolis and other cities. And when most of the high tier superheroes go a wall, Bats is the one with the contingency plan.
I get the problem with his moral code and no killing rule, but that rule mainly applies to humans. But what people seem to forget about heroes like Supes and Bats when it comes to their No killing rule. Both aren’t completely sane, to the point where they put that iron clad rule to control themselves because if they do they likely won’t know when to stop. Not to mention if either of them started killing, every government and press company start collectively sh*tting themselves out fear, and making their their contingency plans, at least those that haven’t been made already. That how we get timelines like Justice lords, Injustice, etc
If they are mad enough that they need a no killing rule, then clearly they're not sane enough to be heroes.
Let someone more competent take their cape.
@TrainerblueTube Nah it's fine, let someone else take on Darkseid. Who needs Superman, right?
@TrainerblueTube Superman could kill and leave it at that but Batman is batshit(pun intended) crazy and mentally unstable
@@raylenn4444 terrible point like the other guy said who do you give it to? A human? Who’s going to stand up to people like joker bane killer croc brainiac darkseid apocalypse (I think that’s what the rock type killing machine is called) lex Luthor No one bruh okay maybe Batman’s villains but even then they are mentally fucked up and aren’t easy to take down
@@raylenn4444 you have to be insane to run around in tights beating up criminals in general lmao
Nah he Wilding.. batman is cool to me
He didn't say you shouldn't like Batman. He just giving reasons why HE doesn't like Batman.
@@onemuststand7353 i understand
And he beat Jason to a bloody pulp while any other villian has never been beaten that bad
It’s always him & his DAMN prep time. Take that away, then what?
His intellect and years of martial arts training
@@chideraumejiaku3895 And his money, his suits, his gadgets, his weapons, his Batfamily etc.
@@chideraumejiaku3895 that sure sounds helpful if your fighting Darkseid
@@randomthings7819 bruh superman and the justice league can barely handle darkseid themselves, it not like they are fight him every week
For me I started to dislike him when every writer wanted to make him God! Like no he's a human being, with human skills, let him stay human!
The stories I really do like are the ones where he's allowed to be human, to be vulnerable. To show emotions. The batman movie shows that very well.
Yes the Batman movie is great but also the Arkham series. Those games are one of the few times Batman and all his villains are done right. Even scarecrow is genuinely horrifying and not a fucking joke.
I agree with you! A more grounded Batman is the best Batman.
@@gilgameshdevourerofworldsg4101 your very much right on the money, especially the scarecrow fake out with the game 'crashing'.
He was never a god you just lack critical thinking and think this was impossible when it wasn’t
@@Axel-ye8tt there's a literal comic panel where he calls himself a God....and the writers gave him God powers....
The Flash. He should have a 0% crime rate. It should take a second to stop all non speedster related crime
just because a character is flawed and doesn't make sense doesn't really matter to me. people assume i'm a batman hater because i say shit like "batman breaks his own morals by indirectly letting people die literally all the time"... but um despite that, he's still a cool ass character with cool storytelling, cool action, and even cooler swag. the fact he can fight alongside gods and still hold up as a key member of the group is just fire. i mean you don't have to "love" batman but i just can't see a real reason to dislike his character.
I mean, Batman's morals are moreso "I will not personally have a hand in killing someone" and less "I will not let that villain die". He has, in several comics, agreed that some people should just die. But he's on the verge of insanity, so if he were to commit the act himself he realizes he wouldn't be able to stop, which would lead to even petty criminals being murdered. Of course this varies from author to author, but generally that's his philosophy. That's why I love him, he's not just black and white, he's incredibly morally complex AND a badass.
It’s f*cking Darkside any hit is a tremendous feat
Green Lantern gets so much heat from the writers.
Peter Parker gets shit on by every writer who makes his story
i think everyone should be able to have their opinions so I understand why you might not like batman and your points are valid but for me it makes him more interesting as a character to stick to his belief's no matter what and especially when his belief one society really do think about what gives you or anyone the right to take a life and for that it makes me love batman's character and also they do explain why batman doesn't kill hes scared to become crazy and make killing default which we got to see how a evil batman can be very hard persuade once he has killed and with his intellect and cleverness he would be very hard to put down that makes him more interesting because hes on the line of being the hero or the villian
All I’m hearing is that he has no self control but can somewhat beat earths mightiest heros
The things people hate Batman for are the things that they could hate any superhero or villain for. They have legit changed Superman's entire ability set like 101 times I'm not trying to hear it.
Superman's ability has barely changed in the last few decades. Batman has every convinent tool at his disposal to take down just about everyone. Don't get me wrong, every superhero has plot armor but when it comes to batman it's just ridiculous.
@@Lazyguy143 he had time travel at one point I'm not trying to hear that lol
@@nearby222 do you realize he time traveled by using flight one of his abilities that he has for years just flew around the earth a couple times.
@@Moonman6882 which doesn't make sense lol
@@nearby222 a grown man fighting against clowns crocodiles and scarecrows make sense while being dressed as a bat comic books make no sense especially for characters like Superman
People give Batman so much shit about his no kill rule but for Spider-Man who does the same thing they love him for it
Batman does use his resources to help people in Gotham most people just don't want the help in fact he's actually openly given ex criminals jobs at Wayne tech and at other places he does both
Ex criminals yeah, not the down trodden who he usually just beats up after they’ve committed a crime.
@@user-yw6fb8us7jYou do realize those people still fall under "ex-criminal" right? So yes. He does exactly what you said
@@user-yw6fb8us7jexcept he does he has repeatedly offered jobs as Bruce Wayne to current criminals and they rarely take the jobs they don't want help, tell Batman has multiple non-profit charities like the Wayne foundation that does exactly what people say he should do but they just ignore that to hate on him. You can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.
@@alexandervazquez7770 I do not believe he offered a tech job to an uneducated purse snatcher or drug mule lol.
The authors can whip whatever they want out of their ass, but not shot everyone ignores it because you absolutely never seen that shit
I respect your opinion dude but I still love batman
I'm just gonna make these points quick because I feel like most people already know this.
1. Batman does try to use his wealth to try and help Gotham, Gotham is just kind of beyond saving.
2. Whether or not the "No Kill Rule" is interesting to you or annoying is kind of subjective. I personally like the interpretation that the reason he has it isn't as much of a moral rule as it is an acknowledgement from Batman himself that he isn't completely mentally stable and needs to hold himself to some extra rules to make sure he isn't just as bad as the villains he fights. It is kind of annoying when he forces this rule on others though.
3. Superman. Superman gets more heat than Batman. At least when people shit on Batman they acknowledge some good things about his character. Everyone who calls Superman "boring" thinks they're the first person to come to that conclusion and ignores the SHIT TON of times Superman stories where anything but boring. People are willing to show Batman that courtesy, but not usually Superman.
I like his no killing rule, though I usually hate when heros have it. With Batsy, it seems like he's just kinda crazy. Dude won't kill the JOKER of all people. For all of Batman's intelligence and logic, he makes the emotional decision not to kill a mass murder. It's so unaligned with everything else he does that I find it interesting
Batman is just as insane as his enemies, he's just using his insanity for good.
Spiderman has 2 mass murderers as villains, green goblin and carnage. He doesn't kill them and event prevents their deaths on several occasions. Is he insane too?
The no kill rule he has is a good thing, it's not HIS fault that the Joker keeps getting out. It's the justice system. Batman beats his enemies and throws them in jail, what happens to them there is up to the system. A lot of the time, directly killing a person of your own individual volition does make you as bad as any other villain. You just wind up like the Punisher, which definitely isn't good.
@@thedankgnasty1890 it is his fault, many people wanted to kill joker and batman prevents it, which ends with the joker kill even more.
@@thedankgnasty1890 you bring up the punisher, he tried to kill the joker but batman stop him. Batman does not care for the innocent only the thrill of the chase.
@@okthanks8061 just let the justice system do it, let them put him on the chair. Batman has recognized that it's not his place to tell them whether to sentence him to death, but they never do, because of bad writing.
That's the thing though when it comes to dark side Batman is straight up willing to kill him If the threat is big enough he throws his no killing rule out the window
I honestly thought everyone in the world loved Batman and I was the only one who didn't like him
I don't like the take on Batman starting at 2009.
I used to make jokes about him and his character.
Yeah that's literally wrong my guy Bruce Wayne gave multiple funds to Gotham not only that he gave multiple state of the art gadgets to the gcpd they just don't use it not only that he has a project to make Gotham the greatest/safest city in the world not only that he literally recreated Gotham when it was at its lowest so yeah and why don't you say that ironman egomaniac
And despite all thoses things you claim he did, his rogues gallery still exists to make the lives of gotham's pepole because he won't kill them.
Despite all that, the police is as powerless as ever in gotham.
Despite all that, many live in desperate enough conditions to turn down to crime.
Despite all that, the safety in town is at an all time low.
So think about it, is he REALLY doing enough for gotham, or is he doing the bare minimum so he can keep playing as batman and fight his rogues galery?
Is there any city as bad as Gotham within Ironman's turf that he can handle but refuse to?
Absolutely he gives away tons of resources to help others from charities, programs for jobs and getting out of bad situations but it can’t be helped when the meta humans keep getting out of control. Ironman gets a free pass when he kills his bad guys but if Batman so much as kills the joker he goes to jail.
@@raylenn4444 I mean to be fair here this is a super hero comic book not a slice of life comic it'd be pretty boring if Batman actually made Gotham a utopia. I think that op's point was that he actually does want the best for Gotham. It's the same reason why it's mentioned that he has several charities but you never see the comic book series were Bruce Wayne files his taxes. It'd be boring
@@raylenn4444 the reason they escape is comics also because the prisons are bad
Batman: “no killing”
Wonder Woman: *a literal warrior with decades and centuries with battle experience* “excuse me?”
But you know batman has locked up every one of his villians atleast once right it's not his fault they break out. He doesn't need to put as much money into stopping his villians because they aren't as big a threat as mind controlled superman.
Until those villians break out again, kill more civilians and destroy Gotham.
Still if he can invest the same money into beating up his friends he can invest the same money into making a prison that's physically no one can get in and no one can get out besides from him.
@@Moonman6882 that literally couldn’t exist in a comic book🤣 the only prison that’s “inescapable” is death and even then that isn’t true for the joker.
Yes it is
I respect Batman and his strict morals and demeanor is what’s interesting about him from others. It’s like a Christian who’s firm in their beliefs.
The one thing that makes me not like Batman is the “if I kill joker he wins” argument like every horrible thing that joker has done is just a game
It’s also the fans of Batman, I got sick of people saying “batgoat” after the 5th time
😂😂
Alex Ross is perhaps the only one to have written Batman to perfection. I love the War on Crime comic, and it’s interpretation of Batman. It really shows a Batman that, not only cares but is wise. He’ll all of Alex Ross’s interpretations of DC’s greatest Heroes are the best they’re is.
Can we just admit that most heroes have the no kill rule? They don't kill because these are comics, and everyone needs a rouge gallery to go after.
Then the ones who kill have like 0 iconic villains
@@ChcksterThe Punisher has Barracuda
Okay you cherry picked the hell out of that page you posted where you called him a hypocrite. He's basically saying he keeps trying to find ways to stop them without killing them but they won't just stay down, so in that regard everything that happened, including Alfred's death was on him. That's a far cry from admitting to being a hypocrite.
In my opinion, he basically admitted to the fact that if he had killed these people, they never would've came back and all the horrible events including Alfred's death could've been prevented. Batman's no kill rule is annoying since it has nothing that would benefit anyone. If he killed Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, The Riddler, Deathstroke, Bane, Solomon Grundy and his rogues gallery (which he had numerous opportunities to kill) he could've prevented so many deaths caused by these villains, the only exception is Joker since killing Joker might have a Domino affect or Joker's laughing gas is exhaled once dead, infecting Batman and ending the world basically. He should still leave the small time criminals alone but the "big bads" gotta go
@@goomyliaplayz7911 if he kills them tho he's not a hero he's just another murderer and then he goes to jail too what good would that really do in the long run there will always be more villains so bringing them to justice is the best thing to do
@@tehronmoment1367 he would've been a hero if once jailed, the villains could never escape, but they do, and they always kill, with Batman killing the villains he can save all the future victims. He wouldn't be a hero if he killed small time criminals but if he were to kill major villains like Bane and Poison Ivy then that would be heroic. When people go to war, how come the soldiers are considered heroes for killing the oppressors? It is because do they do it for the greater good, the reason all the soldiers that sacrificed their life and killed the n@zi soldiers are considered heroes are because they do it for the greater good.
@@daifuku75 correct me if I'm wrong but I think they never killed the Joker because he was insane (seriously, lemme look it up)
I'm not too sure if insane people can receive the death penalty but if you plead insanity you can get out of jail time but your pit into a psych ward. Like Arkham
Batman is a good character despite his flaws. DC just needs to commit to letting him grow and improve as a person. The problem are his fans, who just want him to be this false image of who he is.
Batman in his small right is definitely doing his part
Honestly I can't in good conscience say that Batman's no kill rule is solely the reason Gotham is still messed up. I mean even after he beats the mess out of his rogues and hands them over to the cops, its Gotham's legal system that keeps allowing them to escape. And granted, even then, let's be real. Like Jason said, while everyone else is at least somewhat debatable, the fact that Joker hasn't been tossed into the electric chair or something is actual cap. As for him spending so much resources on other heroes? On one hand, yeah that's kinda messed up. On the other hand, I also can't actually fault Batman for this one because *DC keeps proving him right!!!* How many times has Superman ALONE been mind controlled, turned evil or cloned!? Never mind the fact that Zod is just, a person who can show up whenever, so yeah, let Bats keep that Kryptonite on 'em.
Think about it like this we have seen in multiple story lines how people think of batman as more of a villain than a hero what would happen when he starts killing not to mention if he started killing other people would be inspired by him to do the same
Yeah one of the reasons he doesn't kill was so none of the Robins ever did, he failed with Jason and is failing with Damien but mostly success with Dick and Tim.
@@gilgameshdevourerofworldsg4101 tbh Jason started killing after the lazurus pit corrupted his mind.
@@nameihavenoname7546 yeah but Batman still considers it his biggest failure.
The problem is with the DC universe, is it really stops working when you put all of them together. Most the time DC is at its best when heroes are put in their own individual story lines. And at it's worse in terms of logic when you use the justice league.
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Batman trusts society and upholds the justice system rather than become his own. That's how he's not a vigilante.
His parents tried to heal Gotham through wealth and failed that's why Batman takes a much more painful surgical approach.
If he were 'surgical' about it he'd remove the cancerous tumors that were killing his city instead of leaving them to do as they pleased without the fear of ANY consequences outside of getting punched out by a rich prick with delusions of grandeur
Technically he does both
Bro here's something that I don't understand, is that many reasons people don't like Batman people love Black Panther. Batman has plot Armor, I would argue Black Panther vibranium literally does any and everything required for the plot in any given situation is plot armor, Batman is a hypocrite, Black Panther has faltered over the many years I mean shoot he joined Captain Marvel in Civil war 2 why would he do that , also he dated a whole white woman(joke) Batman fans think he can do anything, Black Panther fans will literally say stuff like he solos the entire DBZ world and upscale every one of his feats to the umpteenth degree, and what's funny is having loved both characters, they're so similar in attitudes and behaviors. But people will jump on Batman for things they love in other characters and not touch the root of Batman's other genuine problem like how is 35 and all his robins are darn near adults. I feel like writers write batman in cross overs like an asshole deliberately and comic fans take this to actually disparage his character. And to the point that batman fans lie about his feats, EVERY AND WHEN I SAY EVERY COMIC BOOK FAN LIES ABOUT THEIR FAVORITE HERE EVERY COMIC BOOK FAN AT SOMEONE POINT IS EITHER MISINFORMED, WRONG OR LIES ABOUT A CHARACTER but for some reason batman and his fans get the most flack, the most hate , and the most criticism. Like daredevil literally has a section of new york to police and that joint will never not be on fire but batman gets flack because he can't save gotham.
Your Batman critiques were kinda stupid but the unfair criticism he gets compared to other heroes is weird
He does give back to the community it's just that corrupt
"You are a character. I've never seen you hit Joker that hard. And you *hate* him." - Jason Todd, Red Hood