this battle was Baburs inspiration to use similar defensive gunpowder tactics at the battlle of panipat, he even got some osman artillery specialists that produced cannons for him. the quizilbash under ismail already knew about gunpowder but felt its a weapon of cowards and believed in their invincibilaty on battlefield, a great showcase of their arrogance after years of victories
@@frankieseward8667Waterloo was a very unimportant battle, made popular only because of British propaganda. The Napoleonic wars were decided at Leipzig. Waterloo was the final shot of 3 decades of war. Chaldiran saw the first shots of 2 centuries of war.
This scenario might be my personal favorite of the DLC. There are multiple paths to victory and you get to use all the Persian strengths (the strong eco, the amazing new defenses and a cavalry deathballl) to crush your enemies. Fun fact, "Khata'i" was Ismael's pen name that he used for poetry. It also means "The Wrongful."
It should, yeah. However, considering that Selim went all the way to Aleppo and then Egypt to subjugate the Mamluks, it would still take quite a while for him to return :D
Seriously, the fourth mission made me feel so sorry for the guy with how earnest he was about being a helpful ally and not even thinking about double-crossing me, and then barely even blaming Ismail for letting him down at the end. Babur deserved a better friend than this protagonist.
As an iranian Im so happy that we got an official persian campaign after 20 years Although I believe the custom "Apranik" campaign was more fun.Hopefully we get more persian campaigns persians are so much fun to play!
Apranik was a pain but it was fun nonetheless lol, i just had the thought that now that the Persians got an update, the Apranik campaign experience would be pretty different if replayed it
That Relic Cart side quest is really dumb imo, most of them are inside the enemy bases, and when you can get them you might as well already kill the enemy 🙃
I think this campaign should be changed to a one sword rating, and Thoros to two swords. At least on standard this campaign was easy, while Thoros 5 was an absolute nightmare!
Afaik the devs have said thoros 5 is bugged to be harder than intended Also Armenian siege is really really bad, making it a bad campaign civ at the same time.
I was a bit disappointed with the the whole Ottoman return timer. When it ended I was just about finished with their base and expected some epic final battle but nothing happened. The big gate really seems like it should spawn a massive army right there.
Indeed thanks to the Selim the grim Grand viziers feared sultan authority I mean Selim literally executed Several Grand viziers in his short time reign
I think the square in the middle of Tabriz was considered for a Wonder victory which I think is a good idea. I think maybe there should be the potential for a Wonder victory on this map but you still have motivation to push out to weaken your enemies and strengthen your Qizillbash via relic carts
This might seem out of context, but I really appreciate you changing your villager booming method from: constantly switching to each town center and manually queuing up 1 villager at a time to putting all your TCs in one control group and queuing villagers all at once. It's both more efficient, it's less nauseating to watch and it helps keep your focus on the more crucial battles going on elsewhere.
It was a force of habit from the days of AoC when you didn't have multiple building selection haha. Yes, having everything in one control group is much easier and more efficient
@@OrnLu_AoEor you can set up a hotkey for "select all town centers" It's probably my most used hotkey so I have it set to the middle mouse button (wheel)
I first dealt with Uzbeks and then moved to the Ottomans. As long as their countdown remains, Ottoman garrison was quite weak. Also, do you plan on making a video for the historical scenario of "Bukhara"? With Persian tech tree reworked, it should be a very interesting one.
Well, here is implied that the narrator ended him in this campaign, but in reality no one is really sure what happened at his last years. However, according to some articles, after this battle he secluded himself in the palace, and dedicated the next 10 years drinking, trying to cope with the trauma of this defeat. And i have suspicions that he had cirrhosis by his last years, given that he lived 36 years.
I feel like these campaigns were made with other balance in mind, notice how there's an elite Quizilbash in the editor but never in the game or how you never start with an elephant... Also Babur is so cool man i wish we could see more of him
I think that the Elephant is a reference to the earlier part of Persian history. They weren't used anymore in the 15th century Middle East. The Safavid army was laregely composed of cavalry. Hence why you start almost always with cavalry units, and not elephants. But the devs probably didn't want to remove the Elephants from the campaign either. The Kizilbash I think were just really implemented to fit the allied player's roster, and I doubt it ever was meant to replace the War Elephant. This unit is too iconic and ancient to be removed from the game.
Ok so what i did was focus on getting as many relic carts as possible and putting castles close to each treasury. I needed to make sure that citadels was researched. If you get at least 6-7 relic carts it will ensure high qizilbash morale. The next thing was the most challenging. If you don't have castles and upgarded ranged attack for them it will be quite disastrous. I am going to have to break it down into different comments to detail the strategy.
Step 1: after Chaldiran, send you light cav to the Uzbek market but be careful not to run into Uzbek troops and send a cavalier to the Uzbek monastery where another relic cart is right off the bat. Also use the initial resources to research the cav upgrades or citadels. The villagers in the north stone mine should go to the southern stone mine near the lake as you will need a lot of stone to build castles near the treasuries. Step 2: send three villagers to gather one resource each, so this case 3 on food, three on wood (build a town center to the northwest forest or a LC to the southern ones, 3 on old and the other three on stone. When you have enough stone build a castle next to the northeast treasury as the Georgians will target that one. If you are lucky to enough stone build a castle to the south near the southern treasury. Edit: forgot to mention build a dock on the lake and get close enough to the relic cart there, and send a unit to the northwest forest where another relic cart is.
Step 3: when there are enough fortifications target the Armenians first but do not in any way send the qizilbash anywhere as when the morale is decent they will train an army but not strong enough to help attack another player. Keep them in the base as Shirvan will attack and they will be in the way. To help offset a qizilbash defeat, build a citadel castle near the shallow crossing connecting the qizilbash base and Shirvan. Focus on defeating the Armenians to gain two more relic carts. Then ensure you have ample defenses against the Uzbeks, Georgians and Shirvanese troops. Step 4: build a base of operations near the ottomans. Advice: on the plains and hills of Chaldiran, specifically 1 castle 2 archery ranges 2 stables 1-2 siege workshops Army composition for taking down the ottomans is war elephants, savars, hand cannoneers or heavy cav archers and bombard cannons and some trebs. Also use the imperial camels Babur sends you as the can help in dealing with ottoman Turkish cav. Then target the ottoman castles and town centers as these destroyed will force the ottomans to retreat. Then you win with the achievement I have not been able to get all 10 relic carts as it seems like there is only 9 on my playthrough. Historical sidenotes: Selim the Grim (Selim I) is the father of Suleiman the Magnificent and the Ottomans and safavids had a rivalry during this period, so Selim with Ismail and then Suleiman with Tahmasp I (son of Ismail.)
I think this scenario is more enjoyable if played deliberately slow, focusing on the strongest three enemies and ignoring the Georgians and Armenians entirely (also not having 100 elephants). I've used Kamandaran crossbows, all the gunpowder units and only a handful emergency Savars for this, which was fun although not the most efficient way (which is apparently loads of elephants). Do you also plan to replay the Bukhara scenario (or already did)? I think it’s much better with the new and improved Persians.
I am currently replaying the campaigns and wondering whom is by far the worst antagonist in each one when compared to Ismail. In this one, I lost all my treasuries slowly and built castles to hold off a steady stream of constant raids as I waited for the eventual Ottoman counterattack. What a mistake that it turned out to be. As for the Relics, it was not easy to find them all so I will try better next time and for my first play through I just pretty much focused on holding off all the enemies until I was ready. I took out the Shirvan and then the Uzbeks as they were a hazel before focusing on the Ottomans, which took three waves of attacks before fully being taken out as those Bombard Cannons and castles (especially the castle in the corner near the gate) and the units were putting a bit of a fight. Next time I will take out the other minor enemies as well.
Looking forward to you playing the fifth scenario of Tamar campaign, because it has an achievement that requires you to finish all side quests in 24 mins, which is pretty difficult for me. I clicked F3 (pause) so many times. Even after I finished this achievement by doing this cheat-like move, I still had only 1 min left. So I really like to see how you can handle it without pressing F3😋
This achieve not even close to Goths or Huns. Just add some monks to convert eles, it's enough time to finish all side quests without being too hurry. Only issue that gray town near blue base sometimes bugged out and сannot become free, even after all enemy defenders is killed.
This mission was absolute chaos for me haha. I had 4 bases at one point as I pushed through orange and grey and had green and purple on my ass the entire time. Was able to then finish off light blue but man I feel it could've been structured a bit better. Oh well. Still fun - essentially deathmatch with everyone charging you. Oh and red got wrecked by light blue lmao.
Opinions about this campaign: 1-It would be way better if the story was narrated by Tahmasp, the son of Ismail. 2-The vengeful lady is annoying as hell, and her irrational hate towards Ismail because of the death of her brother (which, by the way, took the risk by joining the battles) is ridiculous. It is even worse when you know that Ismail wasn't murdered, neither became a beggar. 3-It would be nice to see an Ottoman campaign about Selim. He is an underrated ruler, because of his brutality, but in the end he was more important (at least on the military aspect) than his celebrated son, Suleiman the Magnificent.
Greets from Turkey. As a Turk i love so much this campaign. Ismael the first was a unique and brave leader of Turcomans. Ottomans tried to repel Red hat Turcomans from their east frontiers.
Like the "lion and demon" scenario you are here changing the course of history by winning a battle that "your" side historically lost: After the ottomans defeated Ismail at the battle of Tschaldiran they managed to conquer Täbris, size the treasure and also kidnapped Ismails wives, and refused to return them - which also helps to explain his descent into depression and alcoholism, far better than just loosing his pride.
I put Castles up to defend the feitoria treasuries at all costs. One each at the 2 shallows north to defend against 🇦🇲&🇬🇪, one just south of the bridge to defend against Shirvan, one to defend from 🇺🇿 just due south of the southernmost Treasury. Plus 2-3 to defend the approach of the Ottomans in a castle matrix. If you can defeat Shirvan, it allows you to trade cog with Qizilbash as well. The hardest thing is finding all 10 Relic carts!
This scenario really was an interesting one for me. I was worried the Ottomans were a great threat, but standard difficulty and massed Citadel Castles made short work of all attacks. So I pushed back the Ottomans and crushed them with mass War Elephants, Handcannoners, Bombard Cannons, and Long Swords and Halbs. I out gunpowdered the Ottomans and won without dealing with any of my other enemies other than defending against them. I didn't even collect the relic carts, just got one next to the Armenian border, and didn't deal with Red at all. But I was really happy when Babur sent reinforcements my way. I literally said, "Babur the Chad sent me 30 Imperial Camels!" and I used them all greatly inspite of the casualties.
Hey man, I think you should also check out PCDragon's custom campaigns. He recently did one for the Persians, centering around Ismail's successor Tahmasp. That aside, he does very balanced campaign for almost all of the civs now ( I think ).
the moment you think Ornlus joke couldnt get more dadjoke alike, he dops another dad joke bomb, ripping everything apart Kappa with that amount of dad joke sensibility, how many children do you have?!?! and how many of them are with folder? Kappa
What I did was fortify the passes to the city with Castles. Spam farms and gold. Then create 30 War Elephants. Took out green then cyan then upgraded them to elite. Armenia was... Let's say I let the elephants loose😂
Historical inaccuries of this campaing totally countless but funniest one is he is calling Ottomans "these Turks" lol his core strength was Turkish people and campaing name is "Hatai" which he used for his Turkish poems which, are written in a Turkish that can be understood easily even today. Even kizilbash is a turkish word. I cant start from anywhere this is ridiculous
This scenario just felt too easy, especially for a campaign finale. You get an insane amount of time before the Byzantines come after you, and even if you do wait for it, the incoming attack doesn't feel that crazy anyway. Little bit underwhelming imo
This was a tough mission but i was sad cuz i couldnt find the last relic car i sacked green and cyan ran all over purple saved b4 beating them ran all through orange and gray but couldnt find the tenth one i got the 1 in cyan 2 in green 1 near ur base 2 in orange 2 in gray 1 near purple but even with marco polo i couldnt find the tenth one Edit: im so fing blind its in the pool next to ur base omg well luckily i have to replay all of the ismael cuz my audio got messed up so woohoo
seems difficult but just defending and 4 tc, then spamming upgraded elephants + 4 trebs and babur camels you can defeat ottomans before countdown, of course my base was destroyed
I mean the campaign is good, but all 5 scenarios are the exact same. Even the first one that pretends to knock of Crucible. Every one is just: Get an economy, hold. hold. hold. Use elephants to wreck town centers and castles to gain control of a city. Even the enemies are the same in all scenarios. Generic, unnamed Georgians and Armenians as hurdles and raiders, Aq Quoyunlu and Ottomans as big boys that always get easily beaten and Alfonso du Eastereggy. Compare that with Tamar where you had a bit more exciting designs like repairing the churches for workers or slowly helping your ally to grow and whittle down Rum. Yes, all AOE is build and destroy, but most campaigns have some variety and you can distinguish the levels from each other. With the Persians lack of speed but good defenses with cheap archers and good castles, but weak walls, it would have been cool to have a Star of the Poles or Return of the Dragon type scenario. Easy conquest with elephants, and then try to hold it while having to move the army to the next town.
im really disappointed from the character development of the narrator, first she is just out for blind vengeance cause she makes ismail responible for his brothers death and the low respect he pays for him, then she listens to stories she already know casue she was a part of them and finally she steps away from her plans due to ismails "greatness". Again nothing of ismails story was new to her, he regret nothing, we never get any details of her brother besides he followed ismail and died in battle. Was he an important leader? Is the women of any importance since she took place at ismails table at some point? The narrator feels like a cheap plot device so the game can tell the story of ismail, why we dont get Babur as the narator that talks about his battle strategy he developt for panipat inspired by ismails defeat, he can analyize the military victories, compare the 2 characters, the way they did it feels really underwhelming
Well, as far as i could dig about Ismail's character, the narrator in this campaign is completely fake, along with his brother, and the whole haggard and revenge thing. In reality though, he secluded himself in the palace, and delved into drinking, away from state affairs for the last 10 years of his life. He had 36 years. There's also no clear conclusion what happened to him in his last moments, but personally, i think it was cirrhosis. And in the case of Babur being a posible narrator, it doesn't seem that he they were very close enough so that he can talk about the life of the shah. So indeed, it was a very dissapointing plot device.
I’m honestly disappointed in this campaign. It’s not bad by any means but Persians have so many options to build fun campaigns around and this just focuses on their late game power spike. The main issues are: 1. It’s just too easy even on hard. Like how is the only objective on scenario 5 to destroy 1 enemy that doesn’t attack for 45 mins? 2. No scenario diversity. It’s all build and destroy. I can’t believe the Persians didn’t get a resource/villager efficiency scenario like Tamar 3 or a defense scenario like Thoros 5. Basically this campaign never highlights the Persians civ bonus or unique techs. I still can’t believe they didn’t include at least one scenario with no mineable gold. Half of this civs identity now is gold efficiency (trash bows, caravanserai access, cav generate gold). 3. I personally didn’t like the narration/story line Really feels like they designed the campaign before they finalized the civ changes and didn’t bother to incorporate them (similar to Thoros issues).
I really didn’t like this campaign but can’t quite put my finger on why. Did anyone else feel the same? I didn’t quite get the narration and the scenarios blurred together - especially #2 and 3. I played this immediately after the Thoros campaign and I was disappointed - there isn’t much variety between the scenarios and it generally felt less creative. I also found finding a comfortable army composition difficult with the Persians
Yea I know what you mean. The reason you can’t specify one thing is because nothing is particularly bad, but there’s a lot left to be desired. Narration isn’t great, difficulty is too easy on hard, no scenario diversity. It’s just build war ele/savars and win.
Guys we are muslims we know better muslims history Shah Ismael are not the one who deafted ottomans infact ottomans deafted shah Ismael Ismael injured and run and Ismael lost 25000 thousand troopes that true history
I am sorry but this campaing making to exalt someone who is shouldn't compare with even Subutay(from other scenario😂) Campaing represent Ottomans killers, vengefully and mercilessly. If you read something a little you will understand how Ismail was desperate and worst tactician in this battle(Battle of Çaldıran). He didn't even have mortars and artillery. I recommend to read something guys. These are mostly funny and false informations
this battle was Baburs inspiration to use similar defensive gunpowder tactics at the battlle of panipat, he even got some osman artillery specialists that produced cannons for him. the quizilbash under ismail already knew about gunpowder but felt its a weapon of cowards and believed in their invincibilaty on battlefield, a great showcase of their arrogance after years of victories
This was definitely Waterloo before Waterloo
@@frankieseward8667Waterloo was a very unimportant battle, made popular only because of British propaganda. The Napoleonic wars were decided at Leipzig.
Waterloo was the final shot of 3 decades of war. Chaldiran saw the first shots of 2 centuries of war.
Ismails waterloo. Seriously this battle changed history forever
This scenario might be my personal favorite of the DLC. There are multiple paths to victory and you get to use all the Persian strengths (the strong eco, the amazing new defenses and a cavalry deathballl) to crush your enemies.
Fun fact, "Khata'i" was Ismael's pen name that he used for poetry. It also means "The Wrongful."
Well I think that this is a design flaw: attacking the Ottomans directly before the countdown should trigger their AI to go beast mode.
It should, yeah.
However, considering that Selim went all the way to Aleppo and then Egypt to subjugate the Mamluks, it would still take quite a while for him to return :D
Currently Ismail’s story remembers Sargon’s one of ROR dlc, both starting being good boys which gradually shift alignment in true chaotic evil.
With the difference that Ismail turned things around again, before the end.
Well the enemies here where just too strong rather
Ottomans really Vibe Checked Ismail.
Also, Babur is an absolute Bro.
Brobur from now on
Seriously, the fourth mission made me feel so sorry for the guy with how earnest he was about being a helpful ally and not even thinking about double-crossing me, and then barely even blaming Ismail for letting him down at the end. Babur deserved a better friend than this protagonist.
As an iranian Im so happy that we got an official persian campaign after 20 years Although I believe the custom "Apranik" campaign was more fun.Hopefully we get more persian campaigns persians are so much fun to play!
Yeah, Apranik should have been official campaign
There's a lot to pick from for yall! I gotta check out apranik now for sure
Apranik was a pain but it was fun nonetheless lol, i just had the thought that now that the Persians got an update, the Apranik campaign experience would be pretty different if replayed it
"Flee for your life, Ismail! We have-ACK"
Perfect.
One of the more devastating moments in AOE 2 for sure.
That Relic Cart side quest is really dumb imo, most of them are inside the enemy bases, and when you can get them you might as well already kill the enemy 🙃
actually, with the arrival of the camels, you can race into the bases and capture most of them without having to face enemies.
I think this campaign should be changed to a one sword rating, and Thoros to two swords. At least on standard this campaign was easy, while Thoros 5 was an absolute nightmare!
Afaik the devs have said thoros 5 is bugged to be harder than intended
Also Armenian siege is really really bad, making it a bad campaign civ at the same time.
i played both campaigns on hard but Khata'i for me was harder than Armenian final mission
I was a bit disappointed with the the whole Ottoman return timer.
When it ended I was just about finished with their base and expected some epic final battle but nothing happened.
The big gate really seems like it should spawn a massive army right there.
Suleiman wouldn't have been nearly so Magnificent if Selim wasn't there being all Grim and Resolute.
Indeed thanks to the Selim the grim Grand viziers feared sultan authority I mean Selim literally executed Several Grand viziers in his short time reign
I think the square in the middle of Tabriz was considered for a Wonder victory which I think is a good idea. I think maybe there should be the potential for a Wonder victory on this map but you still have motivation to push out to weaken your enemies and strengthen your Qizillbash via relic carts
This might seem out of context, but I really appreciate you changing your villager booming method from: constantly switching to each town center and manually queuing up 1 villager at a time to putting all your TCs in one control group and queuing villagers all at once.
It's both more efficient, it's less nauseating to watch and it helps keep your focus on the more crucial battles going on elsewhere.
It was a force of habit from the days of AoC when you didn't have multiple building selection haha. Yes, having everything in one control group is much easier and more efficient
@@OrnLu_AoEor you can set up a hotkey for "select all town centers"
It's probably my most used hotkey so I have it set to the middle mouse button (wheel)
With the trap in the beginning: All jannasaries have like 250-350 hp.
With the relic carts you get more taunts for your ally to attack specific enemies, the last one you get is against the Ottomans (i think)
I first dealt with Uzbeks and then moved to the Ottomans. As long as their countdown remains, Ottoman garrison was quite weak.
Also, do you plan on making a video for the historical scenario of "Bukhara"? With Persian tech tree reworked, it should be a very interesting one.
Yes please
Surely some technologies should be unavailable, but the fight between sasanids and hephthalites was truly epic.
yep citadels is the one that the devs disabled, savar is avalaible in that campaign
Please never stop making bad puns. I, myself a maker of bad puns, need to know I'm not alone lol.
Well, here is implied that the narrator ended him in this campaign, but in reality no one is really sure what happened at his last years. However, according to some articles, after this battle he secluded himself in the palace, and dedicated the next 10 years drinking, trying to cope with the trauma of this defeat. And i have suspicions that he had cirrhosis by his last years, given that he lived 36 years.
I feel like these campaigns were made with other balance in mind, notice how there's an elite Quizilbash in the editor but never in the game or how you never start with an elephant...
Also Babur is so cool man i wish we could see more of him
You're in luck, he has a whole campaign to himself.
I think that the Elephant is a reference to the earlier part of Persian history. They weren't used anymore in the 15th century Middle East. The Safavid army was laregely composed of cavalry. Hence why you start almost always with cavalry units, and not elephants. But the devs probably didn't want to remove the Elephants from the campaign either. The Kizilbash I think were just really implemented to fit the allied player's roster, and I doubt it ever was meant to replace the War Elephant. This unit is too iconic and ancient to be removed from the game.
Ok so what i did was focus on getting as many relic carts as possible and putting castles close to each treasury. I needed to make sure that citadels was researched. If you get at least 6-7 relic carts it will ensure high qizilbash morale.
The next thing was the most challenging. If you don't have castles and upgarded ranged attack for them it will be quite disastrous. I am going to have to break it down into different comments to detail the strategy.
Step 1: after Chaldiran, send you light cav to the Uzbek market but be careful not to run into Uzbek troops and send a cavalier to the Uzbek monastery where another relic cart is right off the bat. Also use the initial resources to research the cav upgrades or citadels. The villagers in the north stone mine should go to the southern stone mine near the lake as you will need a lot of stone to build castles near the treasuries.
Step 2: send three villagers to gather one resource each, so this case 3 on food, three on wood (build a town center to the northwest forest or a LC to the southern ones, 3 on old and the other three on stone. When you have enough stone build a castle next to the northeast treasury as the Georgians will target that one. If you are lucky to enough stone build a castle to the south near the southern treasury.
Edit: forgot to mention build a dock on the lake and get close enough to the relic cart there, and send a unit to the northwest forest where another relic cart is.
Step 3: when there are enough fortifications target the Armenians first but do not in any way send the qizilbash anywhere as when the morale is decent they will train an army but not strong enough to help attack another player. Keep them in the base as Shirvan will attack and they will be in the way. To help offset a qizilbash defeat, build a citadel castle near the shallow crossing connecting the qizilbash base and Shirvan. Focus on defeating the Armenians to gain two more relic carts. Then ensure you have ample defenses against the Uzbeks, Georgians and Shirvanese troops.
Step 4: build a base of operations near the ottomans. Advice: on the plains and hills of Chaldiran, specifically
1 castle
2 archery ranges
2 stables
1-2 siege workshops
Army composition for taking down the ottomans is war elephants, savars, hand cannoneers or heavy cav archers and bombard cannons and some trebs. Also use the imperial camels Babur sends you as the can help in dealing with ottoman Turkish cav. Then target the ottoman castles and town centers as these destroyed will force the ottomans to retreat. Then you win with the achievement
I have not been able to get all 10 relic carts as it seems like there is only 9 on my playthrough.
Historical sidenotes: Selim the Grim (Selim I) is the father of Suleiman the Magnificent and the Ottomans and safavids had a rivalry during this period, so Selim with Ismail and then Suleiman with Tahmasp I (son of Ismail.)
I think this scenario is more enjoyable if played deliberately slow, focusing on the strongest three enemies and ignoring the Georgians and Armenians entirely (also not having 100 elephants). I've used Kamandaran crossbows, all the gunpowder units and only a handful emergency Savars for this, which was fun although not the most efficient way (which is apparently loads of elephants).
Do you also plan to replay the Bukhara scenario (or already did)? I think it’s much better with the new and improved Persians.
I am currently replaying the campaigns and wondering whom is by far the worst antagonist in each one when compared to Ismail. In this one, I lost all my treasuries slowly and built castles to hold off a steady stream of constant raids as I waited for the eventual Ottoman counterattack. What a mistake that it turned out to be. As for the Relics, it was not easy to find them all so I will try better next time and for my first play through I just pretty much focused on holding off all the enemies until I was ready. I took out the Shirvan and then the Uzbeks as they were a hazel before focusing on the Ottomans, which took three waves of attacks before fully being taken out as those Bombard Cannons and castles (especially the castle in the corner near the gate) and the units were putting a bit of a fight. Next time I will take out the other minor enemies as well.
I personally felt this scenario being much easier than the Armenian one
Looking forward to you playing the fifth scenario of Tamar campaign, because it has an achievement that requires you to finish all side quests in 24 mins, which is pretty difficult for me. I clicked F3 (pause) so many times. Even after I finished this achievement by doing this cheat-like move, I still had only 1 min left. So I really like to see how you can handle it without pressing F3😋
This achieve not even close to Goths or Huns. Just add some monks to convert eles, it's enough time to finish all side quests without being too hurry. Only issue that gray town near blue base sometimes bugged out and сannot become free, even after all enemy defenders is killed.
I got it second try, it's not as difficult as the scenario where you have to do something similar with Jadwiga
BTW you can get your relic back from the Portuguese by using attack ground on their monastery
This mission was absolute chaos for me haha. I had 4 bases at one point as I pushed through orange and grey and had green and purple on my ass the entire time. Was able to then finish off light blue but man I feel it could've been structured a bit better. Oh well. Still fun - essentially deathmatch with everyone charging you. Oh and red got wrecked by light blue lmao.
4:26 Bro...I didn't know that term narcissist existed back in the day. Them folk be smart af.
Opinions about this campaign:
1-It would be way better if the story was narrated by Tahmasp, the son of Ismail.
2-The vengeful lady is annoying as hell, and her irrational hate towards Ismail because of the death of her brother (which, by the way, took the risk by joining the battles) is ridiculous. It is even worse when you know that Ismail wasn't murdered, neither became a beggar.
3-It would be nice to see an Ottoman campaign about Selim. He is an underrated ruler, because of his brutality, but in the end he was more important (at least on the military aspect) than his celebrated son, Suleiman the Magnificent.
Greets from Turkey.
As a Turk i love so much this campaign. Ismael the first was a unique and brave leader of Turcomans. Ottomans tried to repel Red hat Turcomans from their east frontiers.
Like the "lion and demon" scenario you are here changing the course of history by winning a battle that "your" side historically lost: After the ottomans defeated Ismail at the battle of Tschaldiran they managed to conquer Täbris, size the treasure and also kidnapped Ismails wives, and refused to return them - which also helps to explain his descent into depression and alcoholism, far better than just loosing his pride.
I think the "canon" ending to this campaign is winning by defeating the other enemies, then the Ottomans would run you over like the narration implies
yeah they could've told the story better with in-game cutscenes.
So remember, always know your limits. Cause if you start to think you're invincible, someone's gonna eventually prove you wrong
I really recommend you and all to play the custom campaign of Isma'il I, created before this DLC. More realistic and more challenging.
I put Castles up to defend the feitoria treasuries at all costs. One each at the 2 shallows north to defend against 🇦🇲&🇬🇪, one just south of the bridge to defend against Shirvan, one to defend from 🇺🇿 just due south of the southernmost Treasury. Plus 2-3 to defend the approach of the Ottomans in a castle matrix. If you can defeat Shirvan, it allows you to trade cog with Qizilbash as well.
The hardest thing is finding all 10 Relic carts!
What heppens if you find all of them?
1:15 he looks angry
This scenario really was an interesting one for me. I was worried the Ottomans were a great threat, but standard difficulty and massed Citadel Castles made short work of all attacks.
So I pushed back the Ottomans and crushed them with mass War Elephants, Handcannoners, Bombard Cannons, and Long Swords and Halbs. I out gunpowdered the Ottomans and won without dealing with any of my other enemies other than defending against them.
I didn't even collect the relic carts, just got one next to the Armenian border, and didn't deal with Red at all.
But I was really happy when Babur sent reinforcements my way. I literally said, "Babur the Chad sent me 30 Imperial Camels!" and I used them all greatly inspite of the casualties.
Hey man, I think you should also check out PCDragon's custom campaigns. He recently did one for the Persians, centering around Ismail's successor Tahmasp. That aside, he does very balanced campaign for almost all of the civs now ( I think ).
the moment you think Ornlus joke couldnt get more dadjoke alike, he dops another dad joke bomb, ripping everything apart Kappa with that amount of dad joke sensibility, how many children do you have?!?! and how many of them are with folder? Kappa
What I did was fortify the passes to the city with Castles. Spam farms and gold. Then create 30 War Elephants. Took out green then cyan then upgraded them to elite. Armenia was... Let's say I let the elephants loose😂
ornlu at the first battle you cant beat the janisseries with better micro because they have 250 hp
there are 2 ways to win... EEE~ Some people want win all ways, all enemies need to be defeated to be the honor!
wish there was an option to keep on playing after defeating the ottomans. but thanks for playing out both paths to victory
could you do the bukara scenario too? please?
Fun fact Khata in Persian means: foul,blunder.
I have found the mountain royals campaigns to be a bit on the easy side.
That said i haven't done Tamur yet
I thought this is about samurai and katanas with that name
the favor of the Zoroastrians. they are the only ones who Support Ismail, because they consider him an Immortal Ruler
Historical inaccuries of this campaing totally countless but funniest one is he is calling Ottomans "these Turks" lol his core strength was Turkish people and campaing name is "Hatai" which he used for his Turkish poems which, are written in a Turkish that can be understood easily even today. Even kizilbash is a turkish word. I cant start from anywhere this is ridiculous
bro according to the devs only ottomans are turks lol, I quit bothering with this concept of theirs. even Ismail himself is a Turk.
This scenario just felt too easy, especially for a campaign finale. You get an insane amount of time before the Byzantines come after you, and even if you do wait for it, the incoming attack doesn't feel that crazy anyway. Little bit underwhelming imo
Byzantines you mean Ottomans lmao
@@stefanandrejcik571 err yes lol
This was a tough mission but i was sad cuz i couldnt find the last relic car i sacked green and cyan ran all over purple saved b4 beating them ran all through orange and gray but couldnt find the tenth one i got the 1 in cyan 2 in green 1 near ur base 2 in orange 2 in gray 1 near purple but even with marco polo i couldnt find the tenth one
Edit: im so fing blind its in the pool next to ur base omg well luckily i have to replay all of the ismael cuz my audio got messed up so woohoo
seems difficult but just defending and 4 tc, then spamming upgraded elephants + 4 trebs and babur camels you can defeat ottomans before countdown, of course my base was destroyed
This campaign is ridiculous easy with the relics bug last patch 🐧
How do you even do it
achievement 24min 36 sec
I mean the campaign is good, but all 5 scenarios are the exact same. Even the first one that pretends to knock of Crucible. Every one is just: Get an economy, hold. hold. hold. Use elephants to wreck town centers and castles to gain control of a city. Even the enemies are the same in all scenarios. Generic, unnamed Georgians and Armenians as hurdles and raiders, Aq Quoyunlu and Ottomans as big boys that always get easily beaten and Alfonso du Eastereggy.
Compare that with Tamar where you had a bit more exciting designs like repairing the churches for workers or slowly helping your ally to grow and whittle down Rum.
Yes, all AOE is build and destroy, but most campaigns have some variety and you can distinguish the levels from each other.
With the Persians lack of speed but good defenses with cheap archers and good castles, but weak walls, it would have been cool to have a Star of the Poles or Return of the Dragon type scenario. Easy conquest with elephants, and then try to hold it while having to move the army to the next town.
im really disappointed from the character development of the narrator, first she is just out for blind vengeance cause she makes ismail responible for his brothers death and the low respect he pays for him, then she listens to stories she already know casue she was a part of them and finally she steps away from her plans due to ismails "greatness". Again nothing of ismails story was new to her, he regret nothing, we never get any details of her brother besides he followed ismail and died in battle. Was he an important leader? Is the women of any importance since she took place at ismails table at some point? The narrator feels like a cheap plot device so the game can tell the story of ismail, why we dont get Babur as the narator that talks about his battle strategy he developt for panipat inspired by ismails defeat, he can analyize the military victories, compare the 2 characters, the way they did it feels really underwhelming
Well, as far as i could dig about Ismail's character, the narrator in this campaign is completely fake, along with his brother, and the whole haggard and revenge thing. In reality though, he secluded himself in the palace, and delved into drinking, away from state affairs for the last 10 years of his life. He had 36 years. There's also no clear conclusion what happened to him in his last moments, but personally, i think it was cirrhosis. And in the case of Babur being a posible narrator, it doesn't seem that he they were very close enough so that he can talk about the life of the shah. So indeed, it was a very dissapointing plot device.
I’m honestly disappointed in this campaign. It’s not bad by any means but Persians have so many options to build fun campaigns around and this just focuses on their late game power spike. The main issues are:
1. It’s just too easy even on hard. Like how is the only objective on scenario 5 to destroy 1 enemy that doesn’t attack for 45 mins?
2. No scenario diversity. It’s all build and destroy. I can’t believe the Persians didn’t get a resource/villager efficiency scenario like Tamar 3 or a defense scenario like Thoros 5. Basically this campaign never highlights the Persians civ bonus or unique techs. I still can’t believe they didn’t include at least one scenario with no mineable gold. Half of this civs identity now is gold efficiency (trash bows, caravanserai access, cav generate gold).
3. I personally didn’t like the narration/story line
Really feels like they designed the campaign before they finalized the civ changes and didn’t bother to incorporate them (similar to Thoros issues).
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I really didn’t like this campaign but can’t quite put my finger on why. Did anyone else feel the same? I didn’t quite get the narration and the scenarios blurred together - especially #2 and 3. I played this immediately after the Thoros campaign and I was disappointed - there isn’t much variety between the scenarios and it generally felt less creative. I also found finding a comfortable army composition difficult with the Persians
Is it the narrator?
Yea I know what you mean. The reason you can’t specify one thing is because nothing is particularly bad, but there’s a lot left to be desired. Narration isn’t great, difficulty is too easy on hard, no scenario diversity. It’s just build war ele/savars and win.
part 2 26min49sec
skip intro is 3 min 30 sec
Guys we are muslims we know better muslims history Shah Ismael are not the one who deafted ottomans infact ottomans deafted shah Ismael Ismael injured and run and Ismael lost 25000 thousand troopes that true history
I am sorry but this campaing making to exalt someone who is shouldn't compare with even Subutay(from other scenario😂) Campaing represent Ottomans killers, vengefully and mercilessly. If you read something a little you will understand how Ismail was desperate and worst tactician in this battle(Battle of Çaldıran). He didn't even have mortars and artillery. I recommend to read something guys. These are mostly funny and false informations
kds
first lol
fun fact, Khata'i means 'my mistake' in arabic.
yeah but that's not the case, it means "the erroneous one"