The U.S. Doesn’t Have Enough Construction Workers | LX News
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- The U.S. is facing a shortage of construction workers and tradespeople - and the problem will only get worse as more Baby Boomers retire. The shortfall is driven by an American education system that steers students to college and a culture that devalues careers in the trades. And if you think this doesn’t affect you, think again. As the cost of construction work goes up, everyone’s bank accounts will suffer.
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Too many "rich boy" non-union contractors paying slave wages. They're out buying boats and taking expensive vacations. Most don't even work on the job site themselves. Then they're on the rag because it's taking too long. They want you to run the whole job for $15 an hour with zero benefits and a 1099 at the end of the year. Most don't even carry workman's compensation. Plus you have to buy your own tools. Can't imagine why there's a labor shortage (sarcasm)
im making 20 hr serving food with full healthcare benefits. My buddy went from a painter back to a food server at a nursing home because nursing homes pay better and better BENEFITS and better bonuses
Let's not forget about the RAMPANT discrimination in the trades, from sex to age, it's in there!
Now I'm the "rich boy" non union contractor. Lol money in the bank
One said he is paying 16$ an hour and he is shocked no one wants to take that in the middle of a pandemic 😂😂
I know the type
there is no labor shortage there is a pay shortage
Thank the illegals for that!
@@anonymouscitizen2732 that contradicts the idea of a labor shortage genius.
We have to know 6 different trades and the tools to complete the jobs yet 25-30 an hr is all we can achieve when if not for our skill set there would be no home to wire or plumb
@@Redactedlllllllllllll When the media refers to a "labor shortage", they are not talking about not having enough workers, they are talking about not having enough white workers. The illegals don't count as workers, they are just cheap place holders, totally unskilled. Your the only one who doesn't get it....bro.
@@anonymouscitizen2732 There are hardly any "illegals" in NY state, but there is serious fkn job shortage. How does that fit the immigration propoganda model? There are no jobs for 'whities', and no jobs for 'illegals'. There are NO JOBS. The only thing you can hope for is parttime minimum shitwork doing the work of 2 to 4 ppl because noone can afford to hire help!! Go ahead and keep blaming immigration for our utter lack of economy. Where I live is so far from the border we barely catch a breeze of the immigration storm. No, here we just suffer from Corporate Welfare. But thanks for the basement-dweller opinions folks. Enjoy your basement-dwelling lives and your basement-level propoganda
Labor shortage on a job that might kill you for 15 an hour. There you go. I work as a roofer for 23 an hour and it’s still not worth it
Exactly, why the hell would anyone kill themselves over 19$ an hour
Seriously, that was my experience too. Rough framing whole houses with no safety protocols almost killing myself everyday while getting chewed out by a bitter boss for 15 maybe 20 per hour in Texas.
I'm at $28 and I have to file taxes on that shit. I have to buy my own workers comp and liability also. So in reality I make about $19.00......This is my last year doing though and I'm done!
If minimum wage tracked inflation since it's inception it'd be $24.
I’m a mover making $16/hr. Driver foreman in Chicago only making $16.
Worked 5 years as carpenter, roofer, drywaller, flooring, painting, finish trim, hanging cabinets, all the way down to putting in the door knobs. Started at $15 an hour with experience in all facets. When I left I was making $16 an hour.
In those years my boss remodeled his home, bought new trucks, an inground pool, motorhome, and motorcycles. We had to all but beg to have tools replaced when they wore out.
He was making $50+ an hour off each of us on the crew. He made $200/hr. That's $1600 a day. That's $8000 a week. That's $400,000 a year. I was maybe making $30,000 a year with no benefits. I'm now self employed. Working fewer hours, making better money, and doing better work.
Greed has destroyed the trades.
Youre just an idiot for not starting your OWN company.. all those years of learning these trades are Golden eggs, youre just not cashing out , dont blame him.. meet him at the top
You just told my story. You’re exactly correct.
@@maxpainmedia sounds like an oversimplification from yet another over privileged and arrogant prick. Luck is a wonderful thing. Cashing out on opportunity that isn’t available to nearly everyone is a cloaking device used by certain people to pretend they fought the struggle and made it to the top.
Greed has destroyed america and the world
Straight up
We need more employees any ideas?
“Raise the pay?”
Nope make a video complaining about it!
Perfect!!!
Dammed right , excellent comment 🤝🤝🤝
Laws and permits are killing it. It is like peace work but the law does not like piece work so you pay them lower and make it a 5 day a week job.... That is where the pay goes.
The day the Pay goes up so does the rent.
They will start paying more.
25 years as framing contractor. Wages barely rose.
Employees are in the driver seat now.
Cost of living has gone through the roof, money in construction is shit.
And on top of it, no western woman seems to be satisfied or have to high of standards for tradesmen. We are disposable
@@1594simonsays so true that"s why found myself a mexican woman. in my experience they stick with you whether life is good or bad.
I am a general contractor that specializes in custom residential in specific custom tile and slab (granite&quartz) is my trade.. I can tell you first hand that there is very good money in construction.. I have made a great career out of it
lol
@@1594simonsays I don’t believe that.
Men love construction but not to go home poor and broken simple as that
@@soulfuzz368 what trade?
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I haven't gone home poor since 1989.
@@billysyms5761 what you start your labors at? Here in AZ as a labor in framing they used to start you at 2 dlrs over minimum wage back then but it has gone up some much the budgets don’t allow them to start you any higher then the minimum when Amazon pays 16 right of the bat so what would you choose fresh outta highschool?
@@luisarvizu3458 Well Luis my thing is 10 years from now you still want to be driving for Amazon? Got a buddy that drives FED EX that has over 30 years in. HE and UPS drivers to alright and will retire with pensions. These jobs are hard to come by, are very repetitious and boring to most. When a young guy meets me they see my lifestyle and want to be a guy like me - the boss. I always wanted to be the boss. You don't get to be a guy like me right off the bat, you have to put your time in with that 2 dollar over minimum wage job to gain experience. Kids today don't see this. You're investing in your future. If you have what it takes, the trades ends up being a great business, especially for someone without a college degree.
As far as the pay dilemma out here in Southern California I could not get you to come to an interview (for trade work) unless I'm offering $25 an hour. No experience. A lot of guys don't do it but then I have to have workers compensation for you. This makes you now $35 an hour. Since I do not have a store front I have to pay you 55 cents a mile to drive to and from work, another $200 a week. I have to either provide you a cel phone or pay a portion of yours........How in Gods name you think I'm making money off a rookie making $40 an hour? I'm not. I too am investing in you. I'm hoping you have what it takes, work hard and stick with the trades. I'm hoping in a couple years I can get you your license, help you start your own business and farm work out to you. You are now your own boss making your own decisions and working when you want to. I did it. It was tough the first 6 years working for the company and the next 4 years getting my company rolling but now?
Thursday and Friday I worked 12 hrs and made $1,737.00
Had another guy reglaze two bathtubs that I made 20% off of
Finished a reglazing / quartz countertop job in an apartment that I took home $3,000 and didn't lift a finger, just set it up.
Next week I'm in Utah on a Harley vacation.
Got a company doing 6 reglazing jobs that I get 20%
That same apartment owner wants me to start painting and flooring in another unit, another $3,000......
While I'm riding my Harley.
It's your choice. work for the other guy and make peanuts or be your own boss and live the real American dream.
Left in the great recession. I was self employed carpenter. Made 50 cents for each dollar. Taxes,insurance,permits fees. Never again
All they need to do is PAY MORE !!!
Pay more = charge more. Its a pass-through expense.
These ppl complaining like ohh its schools fault, dude why aint u going to schools like otger carrers do, like legit u got no one to blame but u.
True that!
@@cracklingvoice yeah, and? House prices and truck prices keep going up, so should I weld for less money just because it might cost somebody some money?
@@Turin-Fett You're misunderstanding my point. Attracting people into the trades will require wages that track with cost of living. So customers are going to have to accept higher costs for work because keeping people in the trades requires good pay. It's a rather circular argument, but a good welder is worth more than just what they get on their check.
I graduated in 2009 during the recession and tried to get in construction. They all wanted to hire people with at least 5 years of experience in construction. Things like that doesn’t help either
They will love u now
@@realistmw haha I bet. I’m on to better things now. They dug their own grave, now they better lay in it
I'm a homeless guy with no formal training than RUclips and I'm a project manager. If you have a pulse someone will at least give you a shot for a day
and pay you minimum wage.
You dont wanna walk on the construction site with no experience, they treat you like shit and expect you to take it for the shity pay, all the while making you feel stupid bc you don't have the experience
"I've had constant problems with turnover" = "I'm a shitty boss and nobody can stand working for me"
That's you're problem you dont get people's respect or good performance being a prick. That's not what a successful nor management person does. And think about how that looks to someone you are doing a job for . Crew gets out frustrated tired more so then they should. And then have to deal with the bosses bad attitude. Yes you need to let people know you're the boss and what you say goes. But there are right and wrong ways to go about it.
yep, i've worked for companies like that. Years later and they are still always advertising for experienced people. mediocre pay for extra stress, seems like you are always giving more than being appreciated and rewarded. What do you know, high turnover, hard to find people lol..
Yep
He pretty much said that at the end. Dude seems like an ass to work for
If your boss sucks then learn your trade and start your own shit. It only takes a few years. Them learn to manage people. Sell clients. And take care of all the taxes and paperwork.
Im an electrician of 5 years making 23 and hour and I am about to quit just for the fact they refuse to pay more and the pain aint worth it.
WORK FOR YOURSELF
Im trying to get into the work of being an electrician, gonna go through a tec program for the end of highscool. Any helpful hints
What state?
If you're young enough take some business or construction management courses and start your own shop or get a job working on the management side and learn what it takes to run a shop.
Why in God's name are you not starting your own business? Electricians out here in Los Angeles print money. Get your license and start a business already.
As a teenager who tried construction, I had never experienced a more toxic work environment in civil construction. I wasn't taught a single thing, it was a complete waste of 6 months.
@vestige probably cause most of them are to arrogant to teach younger people and instead want you to learn it yourselves
A lot of them arent polished people....they have no tact no sense....if it wasnt for construction they couldnt last at any other job....not all to be clear ...some....i got a good friend who is bright and hes an ironworker....but i dont know too many who would be able to do anything else with themselves
@@anonymous-go1tq all the construction ppl on these comments get so touchy like anyone who said anything negative hit a nerve....i got 2 cousins who are lawyers another who makes 100k designing websites....they had other skills there was no need for them to do construction work....it doesnt make them dumb
@@anonymous-go1tq and sorry to say your industry has the lowest education rate and the highest drug and alcohol rate....school isnt everything but its good for certain people....on top of that no other field will hire felons....im just responding to the guys original comment....maladapted adults who have drug and drinking problems with no education i cant imagine a great working environment
@@anonymous-go1tq you seem like a good example of what happens when someone does the right thing....im glad you are doing well....i did have a few bozos on here shooting out ridiculous statements....my whole point is just bc ppl dont do construction doesnt mean they are foolish for not doing so....some of the comments i got were insane
I like construction work. 5 years ago in high school I took construction trades classes. When it came time to get a job after high school, I applied at the plumbers and pipefitters union. They tested me on basic math and grammar skills ,and interviewed me. At the time of interview they informed me that there was a 2 year waiting list to start the apprenticeship program. I passed and started looking for a job as a carpenter. I quickly found carpenters make about $15-$18 an hour to start in my area. Furthermore they had limited benefits and it seemed that everyone in this field for any length of time has major health problems caused by years of hard work. Shortly after, I found that the local baby food factory pays $26 an hour to start for fairly easy work. I got a job there and have a climate controlled work environment, pension, vacation, 401k, cheap health insurance. I get so sick of hearing about the trade shortage every day in the news. They dug their own grave. Pay more, offer better benefits and no 2 year waiting lists and people will want to work in the trades again.
I'm ready to start my own.. Yeah, no more greedy folks retiring off of my life.
thats crazy, not only do you need to fill out a application, and either stand in a line with thousands of people waiting 2-3 days, and beat those people out just for the ap. You gota, pass the test, then take physical test, then they tell ya you on waiting list that takes like two years.
And if they say the applications are online at 8:00am the system crashes and overloads, you try to make a application and at 8:03am you finally get on the system they say applications are closed.
Shit is crazy
Nice, hope that $26 hopefully is enough to pay for the electrician fixing your house for couple thousand.
@@rigotub funny thing is the electrician actually fixing his house is making around 25. Good thing the electrician is an electrician though so he can fix his own house, if he has one.
@@grandcanyon2 :
just like the military !!
10 Year hvac technician. I’ve worked on everything from a 9k btu mini split to a 200 ton chiller. People don’t mind working in my experience, they mind poor benefits, low wages, bad work environments, and terrible attitudes; and that pretty much sums up how the construction industry is to work for. Yet management continues to run things as if we’re back in the 70s
Because those fucking boomers.
True dat
I'm a commercial carpenter have been for 15 years and the pay rate hasnt changed once In that time and even before that. At the same time the cost of everything keeps going up and you think it's the culture lol. It's the pay it's just not worth it anymore.
I feel you Justin... I'm a Mason of 40 years... the pay was reasonable 20 years ago...my money has gone down by almost 3/4 no one wants to do it any more and I don't blame them.. I'm in Australia... History repeating itself... the Fall of Rome....
Housing has gone up 17% , but wages for the people building them 2-4%
@@leftocean-es5gc ...mate We are all living the dream hey??
@@leftocean-es5gc or is it a nightmare
Go union young man
Most high schools have eliminated their wood shop/building trades programs entirely.
Also, pay in the trades has been basically stagnant for decades. You’ve exploited the illegal immigrants and treated beginners like crap. Coupled with no benefits, no vacation pay, and no work in inclement weather- not to mention the wear and tear on your body- young people are declining your trades.
It should take 30 days to evaluate a good hand. At that time, wages should increase dramatically. Like from $15/hr to $35 and up. Companies still want the lion’s share of money while the ones doing the actual work are scrimping by.
It wasn’t until I went to work for myself that I realized quality wages and praise for excellence in craftsmanship.
The days of treating this field as a convicts’ last resort or a immigrant playground are coming to an end. And rightfully so.
I agree 100%
Absolutely man!
They worked with cheap immigrant labor for decades, but that labor worked themselves into the working and middle classes over time and that pool is shrinking. They’re not going to let their kids be exploited to do construction for shit wages.
And now the check is due. Hell just in HVAC there’s already a huge shortage and in 5 years it’s going to be crisis levels.
And the contractors - especially the soon to retire Boomer ones - haven’t paid it forward with apprenticeships or retired then to train others in trade schools.
They learned through those very mechanisms and then dismantled them and said fuck everyone else.
Pay isn’t stagnant in the trades, you can make way more than some 9-5 job
@@rickfreed2620 That's right Rick. The days of employers having all the power is gone. 10 years ago they could find lots a people. Nowadays can't even get a interview. The old guard are hanging on, another 5-7 years and majority of them will be gone from the work force.
Holy shit so true, I remember I had woodworking in high school.
Just because you can't buy a Ferrari for $450 doesn't mean there is a shortage of Ferraris.
check the video's ratio. I guess everyone else agrees with the contractors.
@@Orville9999 Five thousand people can agree that the moon is made of green cheese. It doesn’t make it true.
@@wildeyedherman3102 What if the moon was made of spareribs? Would you eat it then? I know I would. Then wash it down with a cool Budweiser!
@@brian21m33 I like the way you think. 🤣
what do they do with the non-spare ribs?
The pay is an obstical. In almost every trade you sacrifice your future health. Workers pay should reflect that exchange more equally. $15-20 an hour with little or no benefits just isn't going to cut it these days.
That is just entry pay, the same as a teacher, only difference is that people who stick with construction end up making more than middle class earners and hire crews to perform the labor.
Especially when you see people making 100k plus and they don’t know their ass from their elbow
Makes me sick
@@anonymouscitizen2732 the thing is, everybody can’t be the boss. Construction needs crews of skilled workers. Also this Citizen, it’s hot (or cold) hard, dangerous seasonal work. Is that want for your kid? I don’t.
@@anonymouscitizen2732 Do you even know what you're talking about? Look at the hiring job online sites looking for journeymen or foremen. It's a joke. Non union ain't shit. The unions are not friends of the average person trying to get in. Unless you're related to someone or have friends then you ain't getting in.
@@DaOriginalMurdah who said anything about union jobs? You need to read my post and recite the part where I say "union job's pay a lot of money".
#1. labor shortage = wage increase
#2. let us have healthcare that doesn't rip us off
Thanks.
exactly! I'm in roofing and the motto is you fall off a roof you're fired before you hit the ground. No health care, no retirement, no workers comp. Just money.
This and stop treating Carpenters like shit
How are they going to recover their money from your overinflated 13/ hr wage if they do not overcharge you for your health insurance?
Tradesmen don’t make money, contractors do.
yes employees work and employers benefit from it all, I say those who work should run the business
Here in New Mexico drywall installers are getting paid $ 10 dollars per sheet of drywall they install and anybody can hang 20 sheets or even more per day , that's mere than 200 a day. Real easy to make more than 200 a day,, the carpenters union is paying almost 36 dlls an hour but still no one wants to work this trade , the younger generation doesn't like to do this and our generation is getting old,,I really don't see how this is going to get solved,,
@@nicolasm400 yea ok. Lmk how that goes. Half the trade men try to start their own business. Less than half of that stick around. Some people were meant to take orders others were meant to give them, a few can both.
@@jaxjones5910 they said the same during the era of kings yet we all know they were obnoxious. If democracy is good for our governments idk why it would be taboo for some enterprises where we work in
@@jaxjones5910 btw democracy only mean the rules and the orders given are brought democratically instead of abandonning power at the top for the worst of motives. People have a say in the way their enterprise is organized
I did landscaping for twenty five years. I'm now 61 and on disability and round the clock pain meds. To any young person reading this: if you're working your ass off just to make a living remember your body will at some point not be able to do the work. And it happens well before 65. Make sure you get paid what you're worth.
@@chuckchambers9565 Every pain doc I've ever seen I posed that question? I'm comfortable knowing the risks and benefits to the drugs I take and that I can have a better quality of life if I take them. Pain is a powerful motivator.
I’ve been a carpenter all my life and and know how to do all the other trades also the main problem is not enough money you can not live or support a family on 20 dollars an hour there has to be more money involved for people to get into the trades.
That why you advertise your work my brother is an experienced builder and he gets clients from here and there and sometimes he prices his own job or he just charges $48/hr
If you have been in the trades your whole life and top out at $20/hr, than you made a wrong turn somewhere. You should be way up the food chain with those credentials. You may be good at something, but it aint construction.
20 an hour itself ain't the problem but why work a job in the trades thats stealing away any healthy golden years you could have when a laid back job will pay the same or more. It just makes sense not to work in the trades outside of some specialities. I got out of the union and make more spraying pesticide in the sewers. Stupid easy non skilled work outside of being a decent driver. I'd go back into the trades if they could compete. Union pay wasn't bad but in non union states it's hard to stomach sitting on the list for months on end.
@@AltruisticWarrior what that job called? I'm down for that if the money's right
Unless you're holding tickets as a electrician, plumber, carpenter.... you can't do it all, you just think you know it all.
That young construction company owner says he went into construction because there's good money in it. Yeah sure there id...because you own the business and pay your guys $15/hr while charging the client $100/hr.
That's how it works. why do you think a lot of these guys hate unions and they love right to work states, they also put out there they're looking for young guys who work hard at a fast pace. If they can get them on piece rate they practically pay nothing for labor costs.
You actually think you can get someone under 40 to do labor work for $15 an hour? Please understand you have no idea what you are talking about. An illegal alien standing at your Home Depot would not give you the time of day for under $22 an hour, much less the pusscake who finds you on Zip Recruiter.
@@billysyms5761 I was making an example. $15, 20, 25...it's all the same. The point is these GCs take advantage to a whole other level. There's no problem with taking a percentage profit on the hours of your employees but it's wrong when your profit is 4 and 5 times what they earn. If the market can bare high rates then the employees should also benefit. I run a small design firm and I charge my client 72.50/hr for our on site services. I pay my senior designer $62/hr. Entry level gets $40/hr and goes up from there.
@@OU81TWO I'm in business to make money, don't feel guilty about it either. The employees are free to pursue other avenues of employment should they desire $15, 20, $100, whatever they can acquire. Employee benefits are earned, not an entitlement.
@@billysyms5761 ain't nobody going to break their backs for 20 $25 an hour I used to be a carpenter for over eight years building custom houses rough and finish the only ones who make money of their bosses everybody else is barely getting by I'm glad there's a shortage of laborers
I'm a truck driver and they've always said we have shortages of drivers, but what they actually mean is there's a shortage of drivers willing to work for peanuts. The gig is up and it's time to pay the fiddler.
Time to pay the piper🔥
Notice they never mention what they pay or that they tried to raise wages to hire.
Exactly
When I was in construction they wouldn't pay us properly. Now I get these same owners calling wanting to pay $12/15 hr. The work is to hard with no benefits, people working at McDonald's make $12 hr.
to be fair though 15 bucks as hour would be for people with no experience, not trades people.
@@chrisburns5691 I was a labor so yes. But here's the problem you can't live on a labors pay. And now you've got to compete with undocumented labors that are doing the same work for $10/$12 hour.
@@rvadventures my point is that you would need to aim to learn skills so you could progress from being a laborer. I made minimum wage picking up garbage as a laborer in my early 20s. No way to live on that without renting with roommates etc. So I began an apprenticeship. Pay goes up fairly quickly, within a couple years you make decent money, few years down the road you can make better money as someone experienced who can work unsupervised, or start your own business.
Can't compare it to some retail or fast food job because in ten years the retail guy will still be stuck st below 20 an hour, while trades guy will be at 50-100 k area dependant. Possibly more if they work for themselves or work out of town and get OT.
@@chrisburns5691 yeah I decided on management did that for 10 yrs got tired of making everyone rich so I went back into what I'm good at, for 20 yrs I pushed as hard as I could until I decided it was time to enjoy life. Now I'm happy with what I've done and where I'll be in another 10 yrs. Goals were set goals were met so now it's all good.
Really... Get one of your reporters to apply to any union, in any state and let me know how fast you get hired. In fact go online and look for any entry level job in construction and its a complete joke how much you'll get paid. Do you even know how many unemployed construction workers there are. Stop with all these jokes.
I went to trade school to learn electrical, the main reason your seeing a lack of workers, is because non-union shops are paying folks 13-16 dollars a hour for back breaking physical labor work, so they can only attract older guys with with 5-25 years experience. Younger guys rather work in retail or at a fast food joint then breaking their back making the same in construction or trades, some may even do these retail/ food service jobs while they wait to get into a union apprenticeship or city job training apprenticeship.
You have big discrepancy in how much the union and city jobs pay, compared to non-union, also the work practices. Your 10 times more likely to die or get injured in a non-union company, and 3 times more likely to die or get injured in a city job project. heck go to graigslist or check online, front desk and office entry workers are being payed more, like 21-23 dollars a hour. So what you have is older guys, doing less physical labor and in supervisor/foreman role, and a high turn over rates with younger entry level workers, who stay at the company for 1-3 months then quit, and look for a higher paying, less stressfull job. Because non-union shop act in this function, if the work takes 4 guys to do they will send in 3. Government and union, sees a job that takes 4 men, they will send in 6 guys so the job gets done safetly and no one gets injured.
@@grandcanyon2 i completely agree with you. I'm non union and regret it. I'm currently waiting to on an ibew test to become an electrician.
@@DaOriginalMurdah same im waiting to take ibew test, and the coned test, i took the test for elvator union, covid has pushed every thing back 1-2 years.
Unions for the win, seriously . I took the auto tech route worked as a Mercedes tech. Then I left to work on trains 🚊. So I work for transportation under the federal rail road association. We have unions for mechanics , electricians , hvac guys, welders. Our pay rates are negotiated from the unions . I’m currently making $34.6 per hour. Im 28yrs old I’ll do 2 years at this job this May. I work maybe 2-3 hours of my 8 hour shift ( yes typical union work). Point being if ur going to shoot for a skilled trade , go union and NEVER look back.
That's if you even get considered for an interview. A lot of companies won't hire you without experience. Or if you do have experience and wind up being overqualified. Those companies will say, "I can't afford you."
You want more people? Raise the starting wage. I’m lucky that I can support myself off $18 an hour starting pay for construction. Most construction/labor employers however don’t want to pay more than $15 an hour to start in my area. This is hard work and nobody is gonna do it for less than $15/hr.
25 an hour still sucks, these companies are garbage bro. they want you to be financially hurting while the boss makes 2000 a day.
@@josephgrima4193 for real. The clowns at my job straight up tried to say he lives paycheck to paycheck like the rest of us while driving a 60k truck and probably living a nice ass house.
@@wolfman_jagermeistro8445 ppl wonder why its hard to keep guys they pay the least they can , when some bosses make big extra money at certain parts of the project the workers never get much if anything with most companies. i started my own window washing residential thing its been rewarding , average pay most days but nicer and more free. and can pay more when i get more clients
@@josephgrima4193 yup and nice man. Im sick of busting ass for shit pay and being told i have to work for years just to get a few dollars over min wage
@@wolfman_jagermeistro8445 my advice build your own company somehow bro
I call BS. I am a Veteran and 3 years ago called the IBEW for an apprenticeship and they weren’t even accepting applications.
Most of the trades treat new workers like dirt, and don't give a damn about this they don't like, let alone attempt to train them in their field. I've experienced it.
Stereotypical douchebags need not comment on tradesmen and their businesses. It's a mans world out here in the trades, maybe manicuring nails is more up your alley.
@@billysyms5761 Your statement is an excuse for bad leader ship
@@billysyms5761 🤣🤣🤣 You seem like you’re really jealous of professionals with degrees. The fact that 84% of millionaires have college degrees seems to really piss you off. Hey it’s cool if you’re making 100k+ but you’re no Jeff Bezos, there are millions just like you. A huge portion of them have degrees. The main difference between them and you is that they didn’t get that way through manual labor. Maybe you’re not as smart as you think you are. In other words, same result, but you had to work physically harder for it. I’m not sure you’re the best suited to give advice to the young. See, that’s why young people think people like you are dumb asses, it’s very basic logic.
@@luisrg6544 You know very little of basic logic. You see kid you don't have to be Jeff Bezos to live a comfortable life or a millionaire for that matter. It doesn't matter how you get there as long as you do achieve. I have a whole family of professionals with degrees. No one is jealous of anyone. Truth is as hard as I work with my hands my wife, nieces and nephews work just as hard with their minds to achieve. With them they had a strong family pushing education on them, maybe that I would be guilty of being somewhat jealous. My parents were trash and had to find my own way very early on. We faced this same issue back then as you do now with an older generation not understanding us. The difference being is I did not make excuses or cry like a baby. I had rent to pay. I put my best foot forward for little pay and ended up impressing everyone I worked for. 8 years in computer manufacturing tracking inventory and work in process sure helped with all the mechanical experience I had when starting a business but I had what a lot of your generation doesn't have - an iron will to succeed. I'm crossing that finish line whatever it takes and whoever is in the way. Being a tradesman, starting your own business is a marathon not a sprint. Now I am the best at what I do. I know guys like you don't like to hear that but it is what it is......the lawyers, investors, pro athletes, professors and other small businessmen I hang out with at the cigar lounge treat me as one of their contemporaries. it's only the disgruntled person like yourself who isn't being handed a career on a silver platter that has a problem with me. Of course you probably do not own your own business so spare me the basic logic crap.
@@billysyms5761 That's funny. Cuz I stack bags at the airport, but for the 5 minutes I did commercial roofing the lazy assholes I worked with were telling me to slow down.
The problem is most companies don’t wanna pay a skilled trades what they’re worth than cry 😭 there is no workers. Well maybe if companies paid more competitive wages they could find the people they need. I’ve been in the trades 10 years it took me that long to finally clear over 50k I job search online daily just to see the rates now. Same rates they were 10 years ago. Raise what you’re willing to pay and this shortage will go away. People act like oh work hard you’ll get what you earn bullshit.
That’s because if your going to go into a skilled trade , electrician , hvac, plumbing, welding, carpentry, etc . You better chase a union job. I personally started as a Mercedes mechanic in auto tech field , then I went to work on trains and we have unions there that negotiate our pay, I make $34.6/hr and work maybe 2-3 hours out of my 8 hour shift lol (yes typical union worker). Anyway point being , unions jobs for labor work are the way to go.
They're just crying so the government will let them import more desperate immigrants they can take advantage of.
You have to know someone to get into a Union. I’m to old to start all over again now. Can’t take a pay cut. Unions are dying off
Problem is finding Union guys working. So many Union guys I know aren’t working right now
Welding/plumbing/electrian = trades. Avoid Carpentry ( fine as hobby). Carpentry has been the stumping grounds of prison work release programs & undocumented workers.
I love that my generation doesn't let itself get pushed around doing backbreaking work for little pay.
Bravo my friend.
I’m a union drywall hanger we make good money but it’s hard work so I get it
No y’all are just lazy af & this is coming from someone on the same generation 😬
There's no retirement for regular construction workers and most of the time there's no health insurance.and lots of contractors will run you into the ground and then kick you to the curb ! And that's no joke
Pay me 30 bucks to start and you'll have me there everyday. Im not going to break my back for 15 bucks an hour lol easy as simple as that.
Exactly!!
bro i did, that did, non-union electrical and labor for 15 a hour. It was horrible back/feet/knees always hurting. I stopped working out 5-6 days a week and only did three days a week.
Without fail, the companies that payed less, had the worse work environments, and the most stress. and high turn over rates. Guys would literally come in for a few days or a few weeks then leave.
i found a staffing angency that specializes in trades, only and construction, got better pay less stress, and alot better work environment. 23-25 bucks per hour on most jobs, these jobs usually last 6 months to 3 years.
I’m a roofer I started getting paid exactly that $15 an hour now I get paid $27.50 an hour that’s only in the span of 1 1/2 yrs, that victim mentality is what will keep you at $15 and hour if you try your hardest people will notice and the money you deserve will come in
@@luislopez-rt8zq you got the slavery mentality 👏 🙌 bro! Salaries had been stock for decades for people like you. When ur 50 you will figure it out bro.
@@luislopez-rt8zq going from 15 a hour to 27.50 a hour, in 1 and half to 2 years is not ideal in 95 percent of cases. most companies, even more so non-union are not gonna give a you a 95 percent pay increase in 1-2 years.
It’s a simple equation if you are unable to attract workers that means you need to increase the pay. It really is that simple. Why would I do that kind of hard work when I can go be a forklift driver and a distribution center for more money
I was making 10/hrs crawling in attics as an electrical helper..McDonald pay 11..and I don't have to eat fiberglass insulation
@@LeoNardo-so2sx i make 20 hr as a server free food and great benefits
do the work for a few years, learn to the skills to start your own business, or work somewhere you'll get paid decently to run your own little projects, company van, etc. Have to think long term about building skills. That won't happen if you're driving around a forklift, while a second year apprentice will get their pay raise and start earning more than the forklift guy.. 10 years later trades guy owns property. Forklift driver? not as easy.
People dont want to work trades because you get treated like sh** and get paid even worse.
Union carpenter for 36 years, retired 2 years now. Was well paid and will have a pension for the rest of my days. What a great life
It’s a shame union membership is down.
Im cooked in restaurants for 10 years, im 26 and looking to get into mason union, electric, carpentry, boilmaker etc unions here in Boston. Its extremely high competition and they constantly want people with experience. Its really who you know nowadays which is depressing when they say there's a skillled labor shortage YET the unions only hire apprenticeships once a year and very few at a time. I want work so bad. My union hotel job doesnt seem like it will open back up for buisness. I want to learn new skills and become marketable for these skilled trades. I hate unemployment and its nervewracking because i dont know any tradesmen really
@@Tyler-ug1hs call G+C construction they might give you a chance, they are in your area.
@@jackfarrell4727 Oh wow thank you for reply. Did you use to work for them? I'll absolutely contact them
@@Tyler-ug1hs yes I did, and let me tell you something young man, you will work hard, the union is no cake walk. And if they don't hire you, never give up, if you want something you got to really want it. Good luck
I worked for 50 years as a carpenter and drywall hanger backhoe operator truck driver and retired in 2013 cause of heart attach and COPD and never made over 15 dollars an hour!!!50 years and got nothing but broke down!!! That's why my son is an engineer!!!!
How the fuck can you have carpenter skills, backhoe operator skills and dry wall skills and not make above $15.00 an hour? Are you the world's biggest loser or what? Seriously man.
thats your fault. Im making money the smart and easy way
Yep.
@@buyerofsorts I feel like he's lying and if he's not he's a fool for staying with that company all those years.
@@muhamedjones122 Yeah some people just don't know how to go about making a change. They get stuck in a rut and stay there.
This is what happens when companies and contractors treat their employees like dirt I grew up wanting to do nothing but build homes went to votech and a 2 year trade college graduated with an associate degree and went into the job market and every company I went to work for was a quantity over quality type place and I would end up picking up tar paper for the dumpster or lugging shingles up a ladder instead of using a Pettibone or roof conveyor and actually being allowed to contribute to what we were working on
That's why you put your time in there, learn then start your own thing. Any career in life you climb the ladder from the bottom rung to the top. Trades are the easiest way to make a good living being your own boss.
@@billysyms5761 ya I understand the theoretical way of doing things to come up but when everyone you try to go to work for and start at the bottom and build up keeps u at the bottom lugging wheelbarrows or some crap its no fun anymore and guys quit and go do something else like trucking as I did. But I have my training and knowledge already and have been buying up some serious equipment and tools then I'll go get some insurance and a bond and go to work for myself and bid all those bastards under the table then when it's time to hire I'll treat people decent and take the time to teach the new generation instead of telling them to go push a wheelbarrow lol
If u want to hire a grunt that's fine but at least tell them it's a grunt gig don't advertise for Now Hiring Carpenters then when the carpenter show up tell him to go carry and rake stone wtf
@@will7285 It's all grunt work kid. What do you think a carpenter sits in a recliner double checking your tape measurements? And to get the chance to learn from a carpenter currently running his own business, well if you don't see the advantages of that then super size my fries.
@@will7285 Well Will you get it. I to started doing thankless work for low wages until I had the hutspa to say enough, no way I'm going to have the kind of life I want working as a laborer. You and I said so long to that life and started working for ourselves. That's the key. Whether it's the trades or trucking, you put the effort in at the beginning it will pay off in the long haul. And if you pay crappy wages, you'll get sub par labor. You don't carry insurance & workers comp? That's like rolling snake eyes at Vegas. Like anything else in life, you get what you pay for.
We build offices for ppl that make $150-1mil a year
We build houses but can't afford to buy them
Yet our wages haven't gone up in 30yrs
A carpenter use to make 1500 a week
Now 1500 a week ain't enough for anything
We should be getting 3 times the amount
Also ive heard ppl say dont be a carpenter you'll be broke and have your body destroyed
So why would anyone pursue this career path
Well if the money was good id bet your ass everyone will try to get a job as a carpenter
So carpenters should all union and non union drive their prices up
Remember if the economy is booming we should be prosporing because we build and theirs alot of stuff being bulld so drive those prices up dont be stupid
I am a Master Electrician and I left the trade because the employers or the customers are trying to underpay you all the time.
So, you got the message!
If only most the old men were actually willing teach and show us a thing or two instead of just making us carry their shit to watch them work.
You dumb a lot of the elders try to teach the young the trade but most of them don’t want to learn it and I’m telling you this because I’ve seen it first hand
@@cyantadeo975 depends, some old timers are dickheads about showing othets the trades and expect them to be masters like them from the first day as well
@@benjamintorres9211 i'm not a dick about it but it's frustrating when someone has been around over a year and still needs their hand held on the simplest thing that they have done a hundred times before
You are learning and don't even know it kid
100% agree, I own my own GC firm now and people are surprised how 🤔 I keep employees. I PAY THEM, give them vacations, bonuses, and benefits, and SURPRISINGLY they are loyal and I get great feedback from clients.
construction= dangerous, hard, labor intensive, fhysically chalenging work + low or very low $ for most of the ppl = most ppl trying ti avoid it... it is that simple. no one wants to come home exhausted after work with nothing to show for. thinking my wallet is as empty as my energy.
There is no national shortage of labor. We have a pay shortage
The free market solution is to pay what it takes to get the workers you want.
Yo this is hella crazy. My cousin that’s a GC told me the same story like most of these men. Worked for someone that only paid him $15/hr, made the business owner a millionaire. He now works for the union at $67/hr. Union rep stated this is the reason why there is a union.
I’ve done construction all my life, and I loved it (largely.) I had a real tangible sense of accomplishment almost every day.
But now my knees are shot, my back has been broken, I have carpals tunnels and no pension other than my savings, and I never made any money until I started my own business. I couldn’t pay employees as much as I wanted to because the market is competitive and consumers won’t pay more unless they have to. I would encourage any young person to stay in school and get a degree. Maybe a reduced supply will increase demand to the point that construction workers will stop being second class citizens.
Until then, this is a bed of our own making.
Workout your abs to fix your back. Construction work is only part of health
A lot of truth in all that you say. I always wanted to get into the trade so I can buy homes and fix them up to rent. Not have to pay money for someone else to do it. The sense of accomplishment every day is a real thing as well. I never got into because I remember how shitty they treat their guys and I was in the military at the time.
Any person smart enough with sufficient work ethic to be a good carpenter can make 2x the money doing other things.
anybody know how to get a replace a windows from behind a brick veneer wall
thanks Edward
Such as.... ???
@@xAnAngelOfDeathx Welding, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, window install, and the list goes on
I started working for 12h, but after few months I learned enough to do my own bids and what I don't know I look it up on RUclips.
The Force is strong in this one - Bravo Cesar!
That's the way to do it man! Why wait? Make the big $$$ asap! :)
Using your head, good man, don't climb the ladder working for the other guy, own the ladder running your own small business 👊👊👍👍
That's why I quit hiring new people. You work for three months and think you know it all. You go out on your own and then call me for help a week later. Most of my work was coming behind people like you who only knew enough to get started and then quit showing up.
Construction is like Uber eats for the body. Low pay, people are ungrateful, and instead of putting wear and tear on your car it’s on your body and that’s not replaceable, and if you can get a hip replacement or something often times the pay they give you for the work ain’t paying for the miles your being rush onto. I ran a finish work company for a while on the side. Had to close down because of the undercutting competition trying to pay employees less and I could not complete on the overhead. It was just me to. So even independent buisness get screwed by lower labor costs because you can’t pay your self what you think your worth.
Pay more because the medical costs down the road add up and cost you a lot of money. Stop contracting companies from driving down bids and undercutting until the buisness is not profitable.
Those videos of robots hanging drywall and laying bricks, self-driving technology threatening truckers- you look at that and you know it's just a matter of time.
in some aspects of new construction yes- but maintenance, repairs, remodeling, are the kind of work that will not be easy to automate whatsoever. Those fields will be fairly safe.
@@chrisburns5691 :
JOB VACANCIES GUARANTEED TO BE FILLED BY FORMER WORKERS!
there will be excess for sure !!!!!
@@abcdef-kx2qt not necessarily. There is a huge shortage of young people going i to these trades. Right now hard to find someone who can work unsupervised, does a good job and knows their stuff, has their own basic tools and shows up on time everyday. Many of the older guys are retiring in less than ten years. I think things will balance out, as a fully automated housing project is awhile away yet. Many houses and apartments, commercial buildings will need repairs and upgrades in coming decades. Lots of work to go around for a smaller labor pool.
Probably because I have to know how to build a freaking home A to Z and make the same as the craigslist add for dishwasher. $15. I want to work and build with my hands but what's the point when I can do something easier for more money.
exactly. the guys doing framing in my city are making as much as the cashiers at walmart.
wow, that is first year/green guy money around here. Maybe move somewhere where you get paid decently if you are skilled. i know cost of living varies area to area as well.
Do it for yourself. Working for the other guy sucks.
Exactly. Fucking walmart cashiers make more than me.
"Well trained and educated to work construction". LOL! How many college educated people do you know that would want to work outside in the sweltering heat and bitter cold doing a bust ass job? Yeah with those standards you're going to have a labor shortage.
My sons father doesn’t have a license and he was getting paid 40 hour on Maui Hawaii. He’s really skillful..Now he works for himself.
I went to Hawaii, geesh talk about a lazy culture. Construction guys were dying for labor. The world must be an Oyster for your sons father, bravo!
@Jack Tapley Yes ... either her ex-husband or ex "common-law" husband.
I was willing to do it but they wanted to pay me the same as Whole Foods without benefits and a 401k.
As a 24 year old I can answer this. I went to trade school for HVAC, worked in the field for 3 years alongside with plumbing and electrical experience and barely made 2k a month. Got into stock trading and investing working for myself and clearing double the returns then I had working for a**holes in the trade field. Millenials just found an easier way to work smarter not harder making more money.
Now there may be some truth to that, but still the problem remains? I’m 20 and currently doing HVACR. Don’t really know how they’re gonna fix the shortage of labor. Everyone I know from high school went straight to a four year college.
I’m a millennial as well.
I often see forums about how lucrative the blue collar jobs are but they riddled with personal biases all around.
Blue collar workers don’t get paid nearly as much as white collar workers on average. And even if they did, it’s backbreaking work. I don’t want to bust my back when I turn 40.
Any advice on how to get good at stock trading?
@@DavidVonR RUclips is great for learning and some stock books as well. That’s how I learned
Despite this videos claim that the money in construction is fantastic- I noticed nearly all comments suggest the opposite......
These companys want you to travel all over and make the same pay without reimbursements for hotels and such. Uh higher pay attractions employees hello...
exacly especially healthcare
100%
the GYPSY life.
living hand to mouth.
pay check to pay check - day to day !
read or see the movie, GRAPES OF WRATH !
I'm a carpenter and certified electrician. 18 years ago I hung it up and moved to costa Rica. I make 5 times more giving surfing lessons.
A lot of these contractors in large areas are paying themselves a $12 grand a week salary, yet they will offer only $12 an hour with 0 benefits and a bad work environment. That might be okay for a kid at 17 or 18. But when rent is 1500, and your phone, vehicle, and utilities are another 600, and food is 400 a month, you're in the hole. Don't expect a 25 year old with 2 kids to wanna break their back for you with 0 benefits for that pay. Especially when the average labor worker is not treated fairly. I know because I worked in it for 5 years
I took a construction job one summer after high school being open minded about potentially finding a career in it. I was the youngest guy on the crew, was basically everyone’s bitch from day one, had to learn everything by observing, was ridiculed and shamed in front of the crew if I asked a question I needed answering and got paid so little. While it’s true that in many ways society has stigmatized the trades, I kinda wish trades workplaces wouldn’t be so damn toxic. Felt like six months breaking my back for nothing but it was a hell of a learning experience. I do sales now and make six figures in four months out of the year. I love what I do.
After 32 years as a carpenter, I never got respect that I deserved or made the type of money that the other trades received. And no matter how much the value of houses went up, my wage never went up. I was never valued much. My advice is,
if you what to be in the trades, be either a electrician or a plumber, but the never a carpenter. There is no future in this trade.
Then you have a ABC, “Associated Builders and Contractors” owner throwing in his 2 cents. He has worked his entire life to reduce construction workers wages and maximize his profits, destroy trade apprenticeship programs, defended the use of undocumented workers to lower wages, worked to eliminate construction workers health plans and retirement systems, worked to eliminate collective bargaining in the construction industry, etc, etc and now he wonders why people don’t want to work for him. What he is advocating for is a “guest worker” program that ties a construction worker to one company and can be deported if the boss makes one call. Screw this bs.
In my experience from my grandfather owning a construction company and working for his and working for others and a city, it’s not easy work can literally beat you down to death especially when that sun is beaming. Sometimes it ain’t always good money, working for 8.50 an hour to 15.50 an hour when it’s so physically taxing it can take a major toll on one’s self over the course of a year mentally and physically, that’s when people want a raise or don’t stick around often times or just simple find better job security or pay.
Now for me I wanted to get into home building and residential construction even asked multiple trade schools and the union but never got a call back or an answer even asked people on job sites I’d pass by, they weren’t willing to teach me but I could clean up for them at job sites. That’s when I just completely said fuck this, it’s dominated by immigrates because they help and teach other. The only way to learn was through RUclips or reading books on it, but that still doesn’t transfer to hands on learning in a dangerous field depending on what construction you work in
There is no shortage. Builders want to pay $13 an hour for the work. Gtfo here.
It’s very difficult to get people to build houses they will never afford in the trade.
Almost 20 years installing and repairing air conditioners and wiring houses and repairing wiring and I gave up working for other people because they just don't pay very much. Now if I get one call a week I make more working for myself then I ever made working for somebody else
Yep notice how in the video they never mention what theses contractors are paying for skilled workers.
In the south the biggest problem is homeowners and builders hiring illegal immigrants and not wanting to pay trades people what they're worth. I carried over $40,000 in tools in my service truck every day and had 40+ years experience in construction. Yet homeowners complained when I charged $25 an hour for piece work. They said I should be making the same $8 dollars an hour that they were paying Jose and Juan! So, now homeowners and builders are complaining because there's not enough skilled workers. I say too bad, you did it to yourself!
have building inspection condemn all the work sites !!!
make the rotten system work for you !!
I bailed on the trade after only a few short years, working in the freezing cold in north dakota through colorado for 11.50 an hour, and learning AFTER I quit, that my cousin was getting money out of my paycheck from some weird ass sign up bonus realllly crushed my spirit, I was 17 at the time and even after turning 18 I was treated like dogshit constantly.
I will say however, that I loved my job, I really loved getting dirty and working with my tools and with my crew, getting burritos in the morning, exploring new cities after work, and my boss was great, but even he told me to bail as I was not going to see a raise until I was at least 26, wound up getting a small raise for helping with a RTU project in dickenson ND, bumped to 11.50 while I was staying in my car for the winter due to not having a SINGLE fucking bedroom to toss me in, AND my "stipend" didnt cover enough for anything more than a drafty hotel room for around three days.
Pay your greens more, treat them like they arent garbage, and show them the ropes and I promise you they will come and probably dig their jobs.
Everywhere I check, all this damn jobs be paying minimum wage, lots of damn experience and some professional references. No these companies just want to pay slave rates!🙄
The true hidden problem is that a lot of these people out here who had chances and took them and made something of it are logically seeing that America is in decline and respond to that by hoarding wealth and cutting expenses. They see that things will become harder and we live in a non-communal society. The person who gets ahead of the curve by investing in the future welbeing is now less well off than the peers who kept their money to themselves and enjoy the fruit of the guy who re-invested his time, labor, and money. Nominally having a government and a fair system of taxes gets around the short-sightedness, but hey civics classes got cut from the curriculum 30 years ago so good luck trying to talk to any Americans about a subject like that! Nevermind kids not being taught something. That was last generation. Now we have kids being born to those kids who weren't taught anything about their country's values. Can we survive that?
Both my brothers and I are tradesman we're broken down now and have little to show for years of hard labor all are divorced and all have lost a house to foreclosure/ divorce we tell our young relatives DON'T be a tradesman get an education in a field that isn't as up and down as construction fortunately they listened one works for BAE and two are nurses smart kids
You aren’t entitled to a ton of employees.
I would love to do construction. But my office job gives me $22 an hour n benefits n a 401k n works from home. Now I would leave all that for $20 an hour with room to grow n the oppertinity to learn a trade. But that's not gonna happen. So I just take the easy money😣
Where are you that you can't find a construction job that pay's $20/hour? Landscape laborers around here start at $22. Journeyman carpenters and painters make $35/hour. Plumbers and electricians make a little more.
@@zone4garlicfarm I am in Maryland
here in montana every machine shop, every construction company, every business is crying for workers. one thing nobody is offering is a decent wage. I say let them figgure it out.
Ive applied to multiple companies in my town and I can’t even get a call back because they’re not willing to train, they want to see 3-5 years of experience.. the shortage is going to get worse if people aren’t willing to invest time into training the new generation trying to go after the labor jobs.. but what do I know? I didn’t go to college.. 🤣
Ive had a handfull of companies literally say “ if i teach you your going to leave and be my competition” it blew my mind that a person who had his own company 15+ years felt threatened by someone whos learning.
The biggest problem is they don't wanna pay enough. I'm currently quitting my job and I already have 5 job offers and I didn't search for any of those jobs. However most of those people want to pay me 20- 30 bucks an hour for this back breaking dangerous work. I'm going into commercial roofing and ill be making 40-60 bucks an hour so I'm like screw you guys. Construction is what I love but I can make way more in roofing so why the hell do I wanna do construction.
Roofing was hell lol
Couple years ago it took 3 years to become journeyman just to make $42 an hour then they moved it to 4 years now today 2021 it’s 5 1/2 years to make $42 an hour. Well it’s a no wonder why kids don’t go into trades. I left the painters union in San Leandro went into electrician where I can make up to $1000 in one hour on my own and I still haven graduated electrician school. So who wants to go in there and make $12 an hour as a PRE-apprentice not me pay me at least 30 and I would have stayed. But they really motivated me to get my self together, so I left once a get my license I plan on being independent.
1000. an hour.
its 5 years and in even some cases 7 years btw depending on the union/apprenticeship
@@sharksport01 ??
HOW MANY HOUR YOU GET PER YEAR ?
@@abcdef-kx2qt
We're not talking about me, stop screaming at me.
@@sharksport01 xD
I started plumbing 5 weeks ago and suffered with mental health problems for 9 years prior too. I never felt better in my life, it just some natural for a man to get outside and move and problem solve. Forget the money it’ll come that’s for sure because it a shortage but do it for your well-being
This is my second year coming up man u got this I believe in you!!!
@@mechanicman3305 thank you brotha! 6 weeks in, got a Lil discouraged on the 5th week but rome wasn’t built in a day I gotta remind myself
@@juswolf22 Yessir💯
Dude you have no idea. Service plumbers doing their own thing work hard but make bank. Bravo!
PE here, I don't even have time to suffer from anything lol
I’m 27, ten years ago all the old timers predicted this and I constantly heard about it. The time is here $$$
I left the HVAC trade cuz I was getting my butt chewed out for the stupidest stuff, sometimes something I wasn’t even a part of. On top of bad management who don’t understand the new high efficiency units or bad lead techs. The trades are also so damn toxic most of the guys I knew where divorced or actively cheating on there wife’s. Good luck to the next generation.
Shit, I’m doing hvac right now. Sounds like you were just in a shitty company.
@@Twoface0233 I had a lot of bad luck. I started my own coffee roasting business. I am having a fun time growing it even in this rough economy. Good luck with your career and I hope you find one of the good ones.
@@Gigadanopoly Respect man. Starting your own thing. Good luck brother
I'm currently In school for HVAC definitely love learning about the field but I hope I get hired by the right company once I am done.
blame CONSTRUCTION PROJECT MANAGEMENT !!! $$
all I’m hearing is a bunch of bosses complaining about their lack of pay.
I would rather work construction than retail or fast food for equal beginning wage. The hard labor is still much more tolerable than dealing with all the Karens out there
until your knees or back go out and you can barely do anything except pop pills
@@TL-rh1lf bruh that ain’t true if anything I’ve gained more strength working in construction, I started like 5 months ago
And in 2 years you're a journeyman and can open up your own business. It's hard in the beginning but if you stick with it you'll be your own boss, make decent money and take off all the time you want. Isn't that what most of this generation wants? OK, minus the hard work thing..............
If you think Karens give you trouble when they're shopping or buying food,wait until you start working on their home.😀You will see Karen 2.0.
@@TL-rh1lf but it is true that construction workers get bad backs after retirement
If trade schools were more available and better this would be less of a problem.
Or fuckin cheaper
If trades would raise their hourly pay more American men would be willing to work
I’ve done most aspects of construction from dirt work to finish carpentry and the pay sucks even with the experience and know how. They say oh well we can get another guy to do it for half what you want and that’s the issue with people not wanting to work the trades
The housing industry doesn't want professional carpenters, they want low cost "framers" with no education or qualifications in the field. Fact.
They call them the trades for a reason. You trade your body for it. Sure you can get some good money for for 15-25 years but your body is broken. Happened to all the men in my family.
This also happens to nurses and carers in the healthcare and senior care sector. Also there is a high dropout in their mid fifties of waitresses, room cleaners etc in the hospitality sector. The imperative is to progress up the career ladder to admin and managerial roles so as to let the younger workers do the heavy physical work but this does not happen to everyone who needs it. Construction work is carried out at such a high pace that peoples bodies eventually do wear out, since this is not visible or measureable, like an acute injury, it gets ignored. This work is not like DIY and many times it is sheer toil. Your pace is dictated by an overseer and your development is left to yourself in many cases.
I think that's more a function of age than work hours. once you get between 40 and 50 stuff just stops healing.
also, I know guys in their 60s that work for southwest airlines. they can still stack bags all day just like the younger guys. it's all about taking care of yourself.
not a bad idea to get off the tools at a certain age, or move to a lighter aspect of the work, such as maintenance work.
@@cordfortina9073 - thank you ! you made my day with a real good laugh ,re: your analogy of songwriters vs carpenters --
{ if you write a song that gets published , you get royalties ,
if you hang a door , that's it ! } i have been in the construction industry for 50 years this year ,with the past 20 years working for myself - master carpenter , [ or wood butcher .. depending on the day ] i have personally installed over 4,000 doors -and no, not just interior hollow core prehungs - but all doors including exterior double french door prehung units , alone .. but now i'm thinking i might just write up a rider , requesting a commission every time it is used , and give it to my customer tomorrow .. there would likely be some gray areas there , but workable .. now i'm wondering , how i can do this retroactively also ... so as soon as i receive my first royalty check .. i will definitely send you a healthy commission ..
Not to mention If there’s such a demand I’ve been on the waitlist for an electrician apprentice and plumbing apprentice for over a year now
yes! back breaking work for $10 an hour! how great!
It's more like 50 to 90 an hour...that's what I'm paying...
Agree they want to pay crap for these jobs
Yes but till you learn to do it on your own ..that's were the gold mines at
@@chinochino4679 lmao i guess but is it really worth 2 years of school...nope
@@chinochino4679 agreed
the average construction worker is making less today than we were in the 80’s. The greed to use illegal low skilled cheap labor drove most skilled workers to others jobs. Quality and production have fallen off the cliff. Reaping what you sow.
Im just trying to be a heavy equipment operator but its difficult to find an entry point. Its either the union route and wait until they select you or you gotta know someone.
Good luck
Get a laborer job with a road construction or excavating company. Show up every day and do your job without complaining too much. You will be running a machine within 2 years.
I mean... It also doesn’t help that new comers are mistreated, hazed, or treated like trash during the first few weeks of them being there. I get they’re new and they’re not going to know jack sh*t. But doing those kind of things is highly unnecessary.
I do not understand this. I grew up in Anaheim California and heard my whole life that there is a shortage of trade workers . I applied to every union I could .
Carpentry,electrician ,HVAC,welding. In 10 years of applying I never received a single call .
I hear it from employers all the time. We cant get anyone good to come do this job. I am a bricklayer, and i hear fairly regularly how no young guys want to come do the trade.
Meanwhile these same bosses want to talk about a free market and supply/demand economics.
Well I've got some supply /demand economics for you. Pay more and you will find someone willing.
I applied as a helper/newbie electrician on a construction cite. I was so excited. They worked me like hell doing the most difficult jobs that were monotonous and was only getting paid 18 an hour. Thats not a lot where i live and for amount of work i was doing i quit. my coworker was there for a year and half only got a dollar raise.
@@ninjablack4347 you gotta work your way from the bottom dude. Electricians with gained experience over 3 - 5 years can make 50-70$ an hour. I work fast food but I would definitely take an Electrician job for 18 hour anyday.
@@ninjablack4347 wow this reminds of a eletrical non-union shop i worked for, in fact they payed 16 starting. the guy i was assisnting and helping, was a helper with 2 years exp and he was being payed 18 a hour, they gave him 2 dollar raise after he threaten to leave.
@@grandcanyon2 Yup, its bullshit. I thought since it was the trades there wouldn't be any of that corporate crap happening but its the same everywhere
@@ninjablack4347 :
FREE MARKET VALUE ???
ROI = RETURN ON INVESTMENT $$$$
SUPPLY AND DEMAND $$
As a painting contractor who owns my own business this is a problem, I read a lot of comments saying companies need to pay more and I agree it’s the reason I don’t work for builders/contractors, a lot of (not all but too many) home owners are also to blame they want the best job in the valley with the best materials at the lowest cost possible and this causes a huge problems as well, I can’t pay a guy 30+ a hour and pay benefits/vacation etc when I’m barely making 25-30 with no benefits of my own and no vacation time, on top of this there’s too many illegals and even local guys doing the work for nothing so the cycle continues and not just in my trade I hear it from countless others in the various trades... this video is a joke I don’t think I heard the term “more money” or “pay increases” once, it has to come from home owners who are hiring skill trades to work on there homes as well as builders to pay a respectable price to have quality work done on there job sites bottom line
I just reroofed my garage, no experience. I did a great job, found everything online. I can tell you it is back breaking labor, I would never do it as a career. You know why I did it instead of hiring a guy or two? because they wanted 4K, which apparently is cheap. I can't afford 4k for a garage roof, I can't afford American labor or American products, I buy tools at harbor freight(chinese) because everything made here is so damn expensive. Homeowners want the best work for the cheapest amount because they cant afford anything else.
3:29 "You can make 6 figures when you graduate & get your license"
That is a complete lie told to fool kids into the trades, no one earns 6 figures until they have years of experience, do long hours & overtime or work in remote areas (away from family)
A boss can earn that much but not everyone can start their own business.
Contractors complaining they can't get cheap labor. Try paying the more and giving them stable jobs with benefits.
23yr Old Stone Veener Mason Making 35K . Cheers To My Fellow Tradesman From Las Vegas Were Booming This Year Looking Better Than Ever
Whats a good mix to stucco over some old brick work.. For instance water to dry mix ratio, ?plasticizers?
But you wanted everyone to go to college huh🤡
The rules are changing again
Hard work for little pay and cant figure out why its hard to find help. You can get paid almost as much to work a cash register at McD's and not have a broken body in 10 years.
I’ve been a plumber for 12 years and have just quit. The money doesn’t come close to how much I think I should be getting payed. I’m now working in a warehouse for similar pay and much, much better conditions, and I don’t hate going to work anymore.
@@retronomix7392 in warehousing, I can be working real hard and fast all day, and work an hour overtime, but I will still come home feeling fresh. A day of plumbing and you want to collapse in a heap.
Low pay, no workers... shocking! Contractors need to learn that if you want something, pay for it, instead of crying that no one will work for extremely low pay.