How To Build Conan in 5th Edition Dungeons and Dragons| D&Dized Fictional Characters
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How To Build Conan in 5th Edition Dungeons and Dragons| D&Dized Fictional Characters
We do a Conan the Barbarian build for 5th Edition Dungeons and Dragons. With all the media to draw from for this character build we have to pin down which Conan we'd build. We score the Player's Handbook and other 5E D&D books to come up with the version of Conan we wanted to build. With all the novels, movies, comic books, board games, and video games we decided to go with Arnold Schwarzenegger movie version of Conan.
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In the 1984 module Conan Unchained! They have his states: Fighter: 13; Thief: 7; HP:100; Str: 18/90; Int: 14; Wis: 10; Dex: 18; Con: 18; Chr: 17; Skills: fletcher, gambler, hunter, sailor, traper
As much as I love the 80s Conan movies, for me Conan will always be the one from Robert E. Howard's original stories. And in that case he would start out Human with the Outlander background. He would have two levels of Barbarian from his early days (no primal path, as he Rages *maybe* once a story), then he would take 4 levels of Rogue taking the Thief archetype. After that it would be 12 levels of Battlemaster Fighter, or 12 levels of Champion Fighter and he takes the Martial Adapt feat. Book Conan would have quite a few feats, one of which I would say is Mage Slayer as he's killed multiple spellcasters. his stats would probably look something like this: St- 20, Dex- 16, Int- 15, Wis- 14, Con- 17, Cha- 14.
Very late comment, but I ABSOLUTELY, 100% agree with you here, though I think I'd take one from Con and give one to Int. Wis and Cha are absolutely his dump stats, but with how educated he is, his Int should be no lower than Dex and Con.
Yeah... Covid. There's only one Conan, and it aint Arnold.
I think he would be more champion as he can take wounds that should kill most people and while his battle tactics are effective they aren't brilliant or cultured. His most impressive battle choice as a general is a pincer move which was used by almost everybody in human history.
@@jungatheart8712 I mean he IS brilliant, he just...doesn't NEED to be. Like, he's damn well educated, well read, but he doesn't need most of his knowledge most of the time.
@@brennanhearn6342 Is Howard's Conan well read? In the stories from him that I have read most of his knowledge is from first hand experience or personal speculative judgement.
Conan should have near superhuman (physical) stats.
STR 18 (if ANYONE must have it)
CON 17 (just not to overkill)
DEX 18 (See strength)
INT 11 (not stupid, but also not learned)
WIS 15 (keen instinct)
CHA 16 (has a way with people, also, he does become the king)
Barbarian 2 (Venarium, Frost Giant's Daughter)
Rogue 1 (Tower of the Elephant)
Barbarian 3 (Berserker path) (Hand of Nergal, Rogues in the House)
Fighter 3 (Champion, GW fighting) (Black Colossus, Queen of the Black Coast)
Barbarian 7 (People of the Black Circle, etc)
Fighter 12 (Red Nails, Phoenix on the Sword, The Hour of the Dragon)
Background: Outlander
Skills: Athletics, Stealth, Acrobatics, Perception, Survival, Intimidation, Animal Handling
Tools: Sea vehicles
Feats: Tavern Brawler, Savage Attacker, +?
There are a few more that could fit such as Great Weapon Master, Mounted Combatant, Lucky, Inspiring Leader, depending on which Conan one wants to emulate.
All in all though, 5e does a good job at emulating Conan if one picks from the Barbarian (berserker) and Fighter (Champion) classes.
I always felt that Conan was kind of Croms' Avatar the way he would always survive impossible fights and challenges in the Books. Conan doesn't know it and Crom only manifests in moments of stress or life and death.
In the books by Robert E. Howard, it would be very hard to pin down what class Conan is. I don't feel like he would ever really be a thief, because I don't recall him ever doing anything like Lock Picking. He is pretty skilled in athletics in general, sailing, and sneaking.
Believe it or not, I think Conan would probably be a Paladin. He has a the moral code of a warrior, and he worship's Crom. In some instances, Crom will even help Conan if he thinks Conan's death would be anything less than that of a Warrior. In some versions of Conan, Crom has even blessed Conan's weapon in order for him to be able to damage his enemies. Crom has healed Conan from poisons and protected him from magic.
If I were going to play Conan, I would play him as a Paladin, and give him skills that reflect his prowess as a Hunter. He does steal, but he probably isn't in the Rogue class.
Conan would probably be best portrayed as a Paladin who uses most of his spell slots for Devine Smite, but sometimes uses them on himself for some Buffs or Debuffs. To play Conan properly, the player would have to be conservative about when they use their Paladin Spells
The closest kind of Oath I think Conan could be played as would probably be Oath of Heroism or Oath of Glory.
Out of all the times I've heard you guys talking about backgrounds you haven't brought up "customizing a background" starting on page 125, following the Backgrounds header.
I think the book doesn't have to provide the "slave" background in writing. Before it gives us any suggestions, it tells us how to make our own.
Thank you guys so much for doing my idea!! I heard my name and ran over to patreon and upped my pledge, i love you guys! THANKS!! Great job on the vid!
Since you just did Conan how about the Scorpion King
Could you guys build Samurai Jack from the Samurai Jack Cartoon?
Kinda glad that this video isn't just "cheat on your ability score rolls" xD though THAT's what Conan did for sure. Also, slave background will be pretty much a must if Dark Sun products come out :)
In hindsight, I was thinking folk hero or at least a variant of it would work for a slave background. -Nerdarchist Ryan
mmmh, I guess you would get the benefits from Rustic Hospitality while living among others that have been under the rule of tyrants or slavers.
can you d&dize Bobby the barbarian from the d&d cartoon
I second this...And do the rest of the gang too if possible!
Hank, the Ranger
Eric, the Cavalier
Sheila, the Thief
Diana, the Acrobat
Presto, the Magician
Uni, the Unicorn
Dungeon Master
Venger
Tiamat
Warduke
Here's a starting point to maybe work from for the hero's:
forums.beamdog.com/discussion/39542/d-d-cartoon-characters-stats
P.S. I'm particularly interested in stats for Warduke from the episode "In Search of Dungeon Master".
I always loved the look of the character [Half-Suit of Blue chain mail and helmet with Bat Wings & glowing eyes].
I'm surprised no one suggested Ranger/rogue. Coming from reading the old black and white comics, his speed/tracking/exploration is as important as his strength and thieving. I would start variant human (cause he is human) for the extra feat, taking savage attacker, and then go with ranger, hunter conclave choosing Favored enemy: humans and horde breaker. Maybe 10 levels of ranger, and 5 levels of rogue thief (probably inter-mixed, not one class than the other). Super sneaky, really fast and able to function superbly in both cities and the wilderness.
You will never be able to get him. He is just too strong. Maybe a 1-on-1 campaign, but it doesn't count for me. A character shouldn't be the star of the whole show, just at their points.
Not true ... You can have a 24 strength with a barb.
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Guys I hope you are taking care of yourselves, and your families with this awful virus going around. Guys, this was an amazing build, but we have to make Conan human if we are going by the movie, I know regular human is whatever, so choose human variant, put his +1's into str, and con, and then give him either the athlete, or the tough feat.
For the Howard stories: Rogue or Ranger/Fighter multiclass with fighter being primary. Charisma would be the dump stat, though in the Howard stories, he doesn't really have a a dump stat.
I'm effectively playing Conan in a campaign now. He's a Human Bear-barian, Criminal background since he can stealth and likes to steal. I based him more off of the Robert E Howard version however.
Now to D&Dize Thulsa Doom from the 1982 film, Conan the Barbarian
Here's my basic literary Conan build for a level 10 character: V. human with the Tavern Brawler feat for starting abilities Str- 16, Dex- 14, Con- 14, Int-8, Wis- 12, Cha- 12. Background Sailor/Pirate (call it Reaver if you want) since he does become quite the accomplished seaman.
First level Barbarian (he does Rage from time to time) then 3 levels of Rogue for the Scout subclass. This will give us all the skills we need and a solid base to build on. Next we want 6 levels Battle Master fighter. Why? Because Conan is known to be a great tactician and have all sorts of nasty tricks up his sleeve. This also allow us to bump Str to 18 and get the Alert feat so now we have Conan's cat-like reflexes and his famous strength. For fighting style I'd go for Dueling and use a Short sword (or a re-flavoured rapier if you want to powergame slightly) to be able to Sneak Attack. He actually very seldom uses a two-handed sword in the books.
This is just a basic Conan Build. He's strong, agile, a great warrior with quite a few utility skills and he has some leadership abilities. He's not book-smart but he's quite clever and he has eight skill proficiences, four with Expertise. When he continues to level up he will gain more Fighter levels which means being able to find his opponents' weaknesses through Know Your Enemy, more HP through the Tough Feat and being able to cap of Strength at Fighter level 12. With Expertise in Athletics he is one of the strongest humans out there. B)
Ran a short campaign in a homebrew setting called "Barbaria!". One of my players made a straight Frenzy Barbarian and role played him like Conan down to the back story of turning a giant stone mill. One of my group's favorite games.
how would you dndize king arthur? been debating with a friend and we cant decide between battlemaster and paladin oath of devotion
I would like to see the black swordsman Guts from Berserk.
I just want to see Arnold as Maximus, if only to hear him ask the crowd, "Are you not entertained? I'm going to pump you all up!"
Goliath? You've got to be kidding me!?! He's human, just at max height and weight. I'd start at barbarian 1, for the background, unarmored defense, and a few rages a day. That's it. Instead of rogue levels, I'd take the athlete feat for the ability to climb your speed and boost your jumps. Does movie Conan pick any locks? Nope. The only roguish things he does is climb, sneak, and poorly disguise himself. Those are skills, not class abilities. At level 2, go fighter (champion) and stay there for whatever you want. Conan is not a level 20 character (that's King Conan). Mostly tier 2 for the whole of the movie. That's probably 3 ASIs, at level 9. Boost Str and Con. Movie Conan is probably a 14 in Dex. Get Great Weapon Master to represent his mighty blows. That's movie Conan.
5 Battle Master( extra attack, action surge, second wind, proficient w/ all weapons and armor, optional feat ), 4 Path of the Zealot ( "Unyding" as mentioned, d12 hit die, danger sense, optional feat ), 1 Rogue ( really just needs that Expertise, put it in athletics and stealth ), or if you want to go higher, put 2 more into rogue and pick Assassin subclass ( As much as he is a thief, he kills way more than he steals ). Conan's not much of a talker, so dump stat would be charisma. Gonna want to focus on Dex, Str and Con, in that order ( You'll want to get as high in initiative as possible, maybe taking the Alert feat at lvl4 Battle Master )
Firbolg (old school) 8 lvl barbarian 2 lvl fighter, and if you go higher, go rogue. Background criminal, and burglar. He learned to sneak around steal and fend for himself before he became a great fighter feat, great weapon master and athlete.
Picking the subclass is the only issue. Barbarian works great. High dex makes being stealthy work without the prof. Armorless def is a must and you can't multiclass because Conan could scrap frost giants....so you need Primal Champion at 20.
3 levels fighter - champion
2 levels rogue
15 levels barbarian berserker
Thanks for the love Nerdarchy, although you guys have a great point about taking thief to get the climbing speed. Also I was thinking more Robert E. Howard novel Conan as that was the first version I was ever exposed to.
Why rogue? And why would you miss out on Primal Champion? You can't multiclass if you want it to feel like Conan. You need those last 3 powers.
I have used Conan in first D&D story I wrote.Along with Strongheart and a talking magic black cat.
i think for conan i'd go half-orc wolf totem barbarian thief and either champion or battlemaster. if you were gonna have a higher level build with enough barbarian for brutal crit (that's 9) them just 3 in champion gets improved brutal crit (!) so with 9,3 and 3, i think i'd fill it out with 3 more fighter for the 6th level stats/feat and the rest barb for relentless rage.
Are you guys not doing the Hexblade and Raven Queen Warlock Patrons as well as the Loremaster School Wizard?
Definitely, but we tend to record the latter part of the week and the Unearthed Arcana drop at the beginning of the week... soo, we're always going to be about a week behind the release dates unless we figure-out how to hack WOTC and get them a few days earlier. -Nerdarchist Ryan
Conan is a race known as commerian wich is basically superhuman to Normal humans so another humanoid race or variant makes sense
Those 80's movies are pretty far removed from the original source material.
D&Dize Hawkgirl!
Is Doctor Fate a sorcerer, a warlock, a cleric, or a sentient magic item?
AdrenalineUnlimited I could get down with some Justice League Unlimited Hawkgirl action. My wife loved the character.
Nerdarchist Dave
he was also forced to fight as a gladiator.
Let's be honest, the D&D Barbarian class is based entirely on Conan. I'd go straight Barbarian but he would have Stealth, Athletics, Perception as his skills. Str and Con would be his highest stats followed by Dex and then Cha.
Except that it isn't (the rage ability that defines the D&D barbarian isn't evident in the Conan character). And ignoring the Ah-nuld performance, Conan's described as being extremely quick, not just strong. He also spent years of his life as a thief, a pirate, a brigand, a mercenary, and more.
N01H3r3 No, Conan's method of fighting is to charge in and deliver savage attacks overpowering his opponents, which is the Rage ability. He's never depicted as an artful fighter like the Three Musketeers, John Carter, Drizzt, etc. The fact that the barbarian is based entirely off of Conan is one of my big gripes about the class. It's certainly iconic in fiction and fits in the game but it would have been nice if we got some archetypes that were more reflective of barbarians in history. There's no way for me to create a Mongol or Hunnic inspired Half Orc Barbarian who is ranged because barbarians in D&D are Conan and that it.
That bears almost no resemblance to the Conan I've read, but I'm thinking almost purely the original stories (having spent much of the last year working on an RPG that specifically focussed on REH's original version of Conan) rather than the decades of pastiche materials that came after Howard's death (comics, movies, etc). The Conan I'm thinking of was cunning, ruthless, knowledgeable, and frequently wore armour into battle.
Even so, "charge in and deliver savage attacks" is not "berserk rage" - the berserker rage that defines the D&D barbarian comes from Icelandic and Old Norse stories of unarmoured warriors who fought in a trance-like, animalistic rage, barely able to distinguish friend from foe.
Umm yeah, rage is defiantly evident in Conan's character. Weather you wanna use the books or the movie. Not trying to be contrary when I say this, but look at the Battle of the Mounds from the movie. He comes running out of the tombs, screaming, with a wild-eyed look on his face and his sword raised.
As far as the books go, there's plenty of times he goes red on someone. Allow me to quote a few passages from Iron Shadows in the Moon.
"You Hyrkanian dog! mouthed the apparition in a barbarous accent. "The devils of vengeance have brought you here!"
Kozak! ejaculated Shah Amurath, recoiling. "I did not know a dog of you escaped! I thought you all lay stiff on the steppe, by Ilbars River."
"All but me, damn you!" cried the other. "Oh, I've dreamed of such a meeting as this, while I crawled on my belly through the brambles, or lay under rocks while the ants gnawed my flesh, or crouched in the mire up to my mouth-- I dreamed, but never hoped it would come to pass. Oh, gods of Hell, how I have yearned for this!"
The stranger's bloodthirsty joy was terrible to behold. His jaws champed spasmodically, forth appeared on the blackened lips. (If this isn't rage I don't know what is)
"Keep back! ordered Sah Amurath, watching him narrowly!
Then later on after they fight it says this:
"Quarter!" he gasped.
"Quarter?" there was a quiver in of frenzy in the stranger's voice. "Quarter such as you gave us, you swine!"
But, you don't have to take that one story just as an example. Look at the opening of the Scarlet Citadel. Conan's the last one left out of his army and his enemies can't finish the job because he's so wrathful that he seems like a giant. It takes a wizard to bring him down.
As far as his backgroud, eh...if you're going with the one from the 80's movies, like the guys at Nerdarchy did, then I'd probably go with gladiator. That seems to fit in my humble opinion. But from the books, I'd say Outlander or even criminal if you're wanting to encompass that "thief" element.
Which brings me to my next point. I don't see Conan's class as thief. He doesn't back stab. He doesn't pick locks. He's sometimes stealthy, but no more so than a stealthy a sneaky fighter or a ranger. And far as the movie's go, his little archer friend actually makes the comment "You're too big to be a thief."
So yeah, that's just my two cents. Sorry if I rambled a bit, but I really love REH's works.
See, I tend to distinguish the "Barbarian Rage" ability seen in many forms of D&D from "anger and wrath", mainly because "fighter, but naked and angry" is a really weird niche for a class. The kind of fury that distinguishes D&D barbarians is more than just being really angry, IMO - it's a technique, a particular mental state adopted by a rare few, attributed with legendary properties (berserkers in myth and legend, whom fire and iron could not stop, and who had a strength beyond that of ordinary men).
Conan, for all his great mirths and great melancholies, doesn't seem quite the type to gnaw upon his shield and go utterly, mindlessly berserk...
But then, I don't think D&D is particularly good for emulating anything except D&D, and I've not spent much of the last couple of years working on a Conan RPG to refrain from mentioning it here:
Core rulebook: www.drivethrurpg.com/product/204217/Conan-Adventures-in-an-Age-Undreamed-Of-core-book
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rouge scout and battlemaster or champion and path of the undying
Barbarian 1 Battlemaster Fighter X. Thieflike behavior, but if you take rogue levels it'll weaken him to much.
Conan in the modules from AD&D was a fighter/thief so nothing new here I'd say no barb at all and champ/assassin or could go thief if skills vs damage was a concern. 15th odd level 10/5 f/r
I remember those modules they were had photos of Arnold as Conan on the cover.
Video game of Conan? Rastan Saga
Well Conana is Hiborean, that is to say he is variant human. I would give him just one level of barbarian for the chest tanking ability [Con to AC], 3 in rogue to get thief and rest in battlemaster.
He's not a fucking Hiborean! He is a Cimmerian!!!!
No need to be negative, even when you are wrong. Cimmeria and all the other lands happen to be set in the Hyborian Age afore the fall of ancient Atlantis, all the people of that age are superior [physically/spiritually/acranelly] to the humans who come after except for the Lemurians who kept living after. As is stated in 'Lovecraftian' lore that is the greater opus. You can consider Conan to be for the 'Lovecraftian' opus what Wulfgar was supposed to be, and Drizzt Do'Urden is for the 'Forgotten Relams'.
But hey putting exclamation marks will make your argument more valid.
He's Cimmerian, the hyborians are the people from Aquilonia and the rest of the western kingdoms.
there actually is a NEW Conan game out right now it's called Conan exiles
What about D&Dize HellBoy? :D
So... you took the least Conan of the Conan, got it
I always see Conan as a Human Champion Outlander.Primary Stats:STR and CON;Secondary Stats:WIS and CHA(Personality).Skills:Perception as mandatory.Others skills depends your reference.
i like the idea of battle master, however you can achieve the same thing with the martial adept feat allowing more levels in rogue or barbarian. correct me if i'm wrong.
Bit late on this, but Martial Adept only gives you 2 maneuvers and 1 die(which is a d6). Battlemaster starts you off with 3 maneuvers and 4 dice(which are d8s), and increases both as you level up in the class. And if you get all the way to 10th level Battlemaster, the dice turn into d10s.
Now my memory might be a bit poor of the books, it was a while ago I read them.
Conan is a warrior thief who develops an incredible intellect. He is well traveled and more civilized than the nobles of civilisation. He's nimble and fast, strong but is more notable for endurance.
To make him in DnD I'd prioritise Constitution, then Strength, then intelligence, Wisdom and Dexterity tied and a little charisma.
Well take this build to 12th level as I rarely see campaigns go higher.
First of all Fighter to Level 3, go battlemaster. Take the maneuvers that emphasize utility and control.
Then go 3 Rogue Thief for the mobility and climbing, expertise in acrobatics and Athletics, tho emphasize physical prowess.
This should keep you good for damage due to sneak attack.
Then back to fighter to Level 5 for Multiattack.
Then I'd put in one or 2 levels of barbarian in, for that hint of barbarity a d savage strength.
Then go Fighter Rogue to your heart's content.
In roleplaying to me Conan type characters should be bold and direct with a tendency to some preparation. Distrustful of petty mages etc.
In combat he should be a dynamic playstyle leaping in using maneuvers and a variety of weapons. Do cool things use that bonus action to chuck a knife. Swing from a chandelier to enter combat be a badass
comic book and novels Conan
This is what I would do.
Human, Variant with tough feat.
Entertainer gladiator background.
3 starting levels in Barbarian, and choosing the path of the Zealot due to his worship of Crom.
4 levels in fighter with the champion subclass.
Finishing it off with 3 levels in rogue, with the thief subclass.
I Preffer The Books, And You Got this Pretty close to him. But I would Go more with Folk Hero Background, Since in his frist couple books he was a king. His Iconic items were a Large Sword, and a Phoenix emblem shield. And He Hates Magic, So Mage Slayer Feat.
Conan: A rage filled barbarian (all the way) with criminal or urchin background for stealth. You are gonna need Athletics, Acrobatics. Variant human starting with Alert feat. Second feat Martial adept. That would only make the start of his career! Conan was an outlander, a sailor, he fought in cavalry, as an archer. Later he was a general and the king of Aquilia, so gonna need some leadership to!
I think the movie Conan fits really well as a pure Barbarian, he only needs one thing that doesn't come from the class. HE really should at least pick up danger sense, and the fast feature and brutal critical and some form of rage.
He doesn't need fighter from the movie, he isn't exactly showing off especially amazing martial skills. The only proficiency he might pick up is traps because he made some traps, which isn't even a standard proficiency. He has no lockpicking skills in the movie, so don't bother with that. HE brute forces almost everything when he isn't sneaking, he just knows his weapons, which he gets from Barbarian already. It is possible to justify difference primal paths.
Book Conan is a lot more diversified and will probably only pick up 3-5 barbarian levels and likely a few of Rogue and a lot from either battlemaster or Champion path of fighter, he does end up being a captain in a military and running a ship at another point so Battlemaster where he can give benefits to others as a use of his superiority die would make sense since he can inspire others.
Hello Nerdarchy crew, was wondering if you guys have any tips for D&Dized Wolverine , I have a few ideas for would love to hear your ideas on it? Shifter race from the eberron unearthed arcana, levels in barbarian, ranger, and monk.
Recently I have re-introduced myself to NWN and now trying Darkness over Daggerford module. I will try out your pointers, playing Half-orc rogue/fighter/barbarian. You are awesome!
Conan has no Rogue levels.
what about another close relation with Conan, Kull the Conquerer? what would he be?
My Conan was 2nd edition.
barbarian 3 bear totem
rogue 3 assassin
fighter 16 battle master
Great job guys. I would skip Barbarian the name is right but hes naot a rager battlemaster with a bit of thief for flavor
And hes smarter than most so wouldnt dumo Int also got go higher tham 10 - 12 level
we talking about Conan
Idk, I kind of view characters from the sword-and-sorcery pulps to be on a lower power curve. In D&D-type games, 15+ level characters start to become demi-god level beings and I don't quite feel like Conan was that level of hero. -Nerdarchist Ryan
When the archetypal barbarian, who was the main inspiration for the class, isn't statted as a barbarian, that tells you most of what you need to know about the utility of the barbarian as a class.
does it necessarily? Maybe it just speaks to how well the theme of the class matches its inspiration.
Conan is at least 15th level. One of the greatest fighters of all time being 10-12th level?? psh.
Thing is, he was a mighty warrior when he was a teenager; class-and-level zero-to-hero doesn't really suit him in general.
Could not take levels in rogue and just take the athlete feat
Well Conan tends to sneak about a lot, steal shit like a clepto and he has been known to operate some traps, locks, ect..