I have a K, i already know what to do with it: Build the in-game money and reputation with the military to upgrade to an M and then go fight the Vanduul!
I just can't see the crew requirements on these ships as realistic. I've been playing MMO's for decades. The likelihood of you being about to get 20-30 players to all log on reliably just to pilot and use a single ship effectively is ridiculously low. Not to mention a significant number of those 20-30 players are going to have their own ships they want to use, not just sit on yours waiting to fix something or man a turret for a few minutes.
That’s said they’ve also said that you can have blades, NPC crew and even solo these big ships, but with obviously each of the solutions will make it less powerful than a full crew. So yes, agreed, that many people are unlikely, but you don’t need it, it will just make it better.
I think you and I have had different experiences with MMO's. I have always been able to find 20 or 30 people to play with reliably. At the same time I understand your point. Games should be realistic about their number or players. I think what makes Star citizen unique is that it invites the whole range of players from solo to 90 friend org. The player can run an idris with 10 AI blades, 5 npc's and 4 friends and still have fun. Let's remember why we all play. It's not necessarily to be the best 24/7 or the most efficient. It is to have fun playing. I believe anyone who gets an Idris will have fun whether they have 1 friend or 20.
Well from the latest Idris Boarding testing it took 40 fighters about 20+ mins to disable which means once its released i think itll be a force to be reckoned with
We took it out with one hammerhead last year. The second time we tried we got one shot by the railgun and the third time we took it out again. Took maybe 10 to 20 minutes at the most. We were smart though we used our speed and our surrounding as an advantage. We were not dumb and let it just shoot us to death by standing still.
IMO Capital ships will be only used in Org. to Org. battles or planned events by CIG. Since the crew sizes and cost to maintain are so large. The sweet spot that I have looked for is 2 - 6 crew, with long range capability, but can also be soloed with a couple blades and or RL/NPC crew. The examples would be a Spirit C1/A1, Drake Corsair, 400i, MSR, RSI Connie/Zeus, C2/M2/A2 Caterpillar, Galaxy, Carrack and Perseus. I did not include all types of ships in this category, there is to many to list, but you get the idea. In this way a few friends can crew, but you have other options to choose from and running cost/repair will be much lower.
I think it works in CIG favor to have PVE missions for cap ships. Because of that I think there will be tons of gameplay applications for Cap ships outside of org to org battles. I think some folks will specifically seek to grab an NPC crew and captain the heck out of them in ways they would never do with friends.
As a solo player I would rate the Idris as a 3. It is a great ship, but I do not think I will ever get a large enough crew together to man it correctly and it would be a hangar queen.
Considering both the ship, AI blades, and NPC crew aren't in game yet I couldn't go as low as a three. I think there is going to be a reckoning. That reckoning will be that AI blades and NPC grew are wayyyy more useful than people thought they would be... And people will want bigger ships but those prices will have already gone up.
I'm looking forward to having a chance to be part of an Idris crew but have no desire to own one myself. Too much money, too much organizing enough people to operate it. It should be great to see in action with SQ42 though.
I think what a lot of people don't realize just how hard its going to be to actually kill one of these once we have armor and damage working properly. Between the pretty massive amount of cargo, the hangar which we'll be able to stuff any number of ships into, the full medical bay, and all the guns - it really is going to be a great do everything ship so long as you have the people for it. I plan on using my K along with my org for everything from big combat missions to long range trade runs of super valuable/dangerous cargo.
Agreed! I don’t think there is enough “hype” for the K kit. I know it’ll be “less powerful” than the M, but there’s a few points people miss. First the auto turrets reduce crew by 4. Second, the missiles give the ship a much better fighter defence and the size 10 laser, especially if a “constant beam” weapon will be cooler, and even if not will be cheaper to run as there’s no ammo cost.
@@charliemcawesome5012 A full laser fit Idris-K is going to be able to operate way out for a looooong time. I do still want to earn the railgun in-game and screw around with that on my K though
I have Polaris and Idris both coming.... they's going to be it for my military capital ships... there rest are my 890, Banu Merchantman, MISC Odyssey and Carrack.
I really want an idris but no matter how I try to fudge the math I just don't need one. Polaris is the biggest cap combat ship I need. I am going to get myself an A2 though to keep me warm at night. A Consolation prize! We have a lot of the same ships!
@@billionaireninjas yeah, for me this game is as much about collecting useless ships that are just "cool" as it is about actual game play... and I'm fortunate to have the spare funds.
@@billionaireninjas I was in this position for a while... had an Idris in buyback but also a Polaris and a fairly big fleet. I reviewed it though and realized the Idris was simply too special to pass up versus lots of smaller ships I really didn't need (IE two 600is). I think that decision will pay big dividends in game as far as owning such an iconic ship goes.
We'll see, as of right now it's a no, because I have three other capital ships that I absolutely need. After I finish buying my hardware I'll revisit this.
My Idris P/K is going to be home away from home. I got it because it will provide the long distance transport for the group and while in transit everyone can use the facilities on board. I think the gun range in particular is a good thing for people who want something to do while on long trips. Then there is the hanger. This is a key thing because my friends will want to bring some of their own ships and this allows them to. Totally looking forward to using this. It is going to be so cool. PS: this is going to needs both AI crew and AI blades so I am watching their development closely.
Same here! Except I don't own one yet. I'm saving it for an earn-in game. I know so many people with an Idris that I can't see a need to spend real money for it right now.
The K is often misunderstood and it is here as well. Its not a set upgrade. Its a bunch of stuff that can be mixed and matched on the P and M variant. So you can decide to put the spinal laser on the P but leave everything else as is or put missile turrets on the M but keep the railgun. Its like instead of buying a connie aquila to get a scanning turret you just put the scanner on your andromeda for example.
Some old outdated information that I can't remember where I heard, so it may be BS or just no longer the case, but I heard M has more armor but slower than the P, P will be faster but less armor, and the K has its s10 beam weapon, but in order to use it you will need to reduce your shields some to get enough energy to fire it. Also you will be able to upgrade a P to an M in game if you have the right reputation with the UEE. This is all up in the air, could be wrong info or no longer the case.
Will be good to see it in action once it is properly released, but it was good to hear what it could be used for. And also good to hear your honest opinion in comparisons to other ships and if it is worth it or not, just like your hammerhead video.
Idris has always been sold to carry 3 medium fighters since its inception before it even became a frigate. In fact they said it carries 3 medium fighters in its hanger with one in researve. Think that 4th one was taken out, and it can only have 3 at the most there is no 4th one in researve anymore.
The reason for the P and the K to have the same amount of cargo, it is because they do not have the railgun mounted on the bottom of the ship. The K has an energy weapon but it does not take the space away from the railgun. Now. All the cargo space will be dedicated to ordinance, equipment, supplies. The P can be more of a cargo ship with part of the SCUs dedicated supplies and another to cargo. This ships will have a huge investment to keep them operational with a crew in between 20 and 40 people. I think 80 as in SQ42 is overkill
I have been pondering the idea of getting an Idris for awhile now, next month would be the time to get one… but with how broken this game still is… i can’t get friends to log back on and when they do, I tend to feel embarrassed showing them this crapshoot of an alpha. Maybe in 2025/2026, but by then I might be busy with a family or better career. I know you gave it a 10/10, but I think it’s a 7/10 max… way too expensive to maintain, too large of crew requirements, FOMO (thanks CiG) and when the BMM exists (nearly 3k SCU, lots of automation so less crew required, easier to deal with in atmosphere, less FOMO (still there, again thanks CiG…) and still has pilot controlled duel S8 guns… even then, it’s a 9/10 max due to running costs/FOMO. Idris is too valuable of a target without escorts, it’s too easy to sneak onto, and it’s going to be very hard to manage your crew effectively. What is a 10/10 ship? We don’t have a perfect ship yet because the fundamentals of the game are still missing!
All that Javelin slander, if I come across a Vanduul destroyer I rather be in a crewed Javelin than an Idris. Also a Javelin has more weapons and stopping power than an idris Im not sure what you're saying there about the Idris having more.
The Javelin for sure has more firepower. No hate against the Javelin at all. I just think the crew requirement and the cost will hold it back more than the Idris. Note: I don't say the Idris is a better fighting ship I say it's a better value and the biggest ship anyone would ever actually need. The Javelin is more of a want for most people unless you can get 50+ people in game with you. You should watch my Javelin Video and check out it's rating! You might be surprised at how highly I rate it.
the Idris M is the only Idris with some kind of firepower with s10 railgun and the s7 dual turret upfront and armor other then that the idris has no other capital sized guns, the p and k type are lite escort carriers at best, 6 if it gets more capital sized guns id bump it to a 8
My guess is a lot of of guns will be available to rival the Rail gun not just the k kit. We might be able to even add the rail gun later in-game. That size 10 laser isn't nothing either.
@@billionaireninjas i just mean the idris wont be a up in your face capital ship with no big guns on the sides and back to defend itself its a carrier, thats why id like to see an assault frigate or something
You also need to point out these Capital ships are a donation to the community, they are not yours even if you pay for them, they are owned by the community/Org/Group, you are just a benifactor.
@@billionaireninjas But your not buying ''Hammerheads/Idris/Kraken/Ploaris/Reclaimer/Javelin for yourself, thay have to be shared, have to be crewed. You are a generous benifactor...we thank you., they're ours.
@@davewills6121 They're "yours" to work on/crew when the owner decides you can. It still belongs to the person that bought it, and that's who makes the decisions with it.
@@XShadowAngel Your buying it solely for the community, its usless otherwise. Don't worry, with all the organization, support and cost, plus poor build quality and bugs......you'll give it away
@@spacenord8618 Maybe two Polaris. But two Perseus i think are going to have a tough time when the idris sends out two medium fighters with distortion weapons.
@@billionaireninjas you could be right and when all ships are in game we will see how powerful the Idris and Polaris and Perseus is then it might be more clear how many of each ship can take to kill them
You can easily fit 3 F8C's in there and thats a heavy size fighter ship in the game. Don't think you really understand what makes a ship a light, medium or heavy ship in the game. An F7A is a medium fighter and takes up almost the same exact space as an F8C which is a heavy fighter.
I have a K, i already know what to do with it: Build the in-game money and reputation with the military to upgrade to an M and then go fight the Vanduul!
Heck yeah man! If you need someone to move crates around in the cargo bay, let me know. 😂
It’s finally time to see it ingame
I just can't see the crew requirements on these ships as realistic. I've been playing MMO's for decades. The likelihood of you being about to get 20-30 players to all log on reliably just to pilot and use a single ship effectively is ridiculously low. Not to mention a significant number of those 20-30 players are going to have their own ships they want to use, not just sit on yours waiting to fix something or man a turret for a few minutes.
Facts
That’s said they’ve also said that you can have blades, NPC crew and even solo these big ships, but with obviously each of the solutions will make it less powerful than a full crew. So yes, agreed, that many people are unlikely, but you don’t need it, it will just make it better.
They already explained this, you will have NPCs
@@M1kel-Ferg Why even design a ship to need a crew of 30 if they know NPC's are going to have to man 80% of the functions?
I think you and I have had different experiences with MMO's. I have always been able to find 20 or 30 people to play with reliably. At the same time I understand your point. Games should be realistic about their number or players. I think what makes Star citizen unique is that it invites the whole range of players from solo to 90 friend org. The player can run an idris with 10 AI blades, 5 npc's and 4 friends and still have fun. Let's remember why we all play. It's not necessarily to be the best 24/7 or the most efficient. It is to have fun playing. I believe anyone who gets an Idris will have fun whether they have 1 friend or 20.
Well from the latest Idris Boarding testing it took 40 fighters about 20+ mins to disable which means once its released i think itll be a force to be reckoned with
We took it out with one hammerhead last year. The second time we tried we got one shot by the railgun and the third time we took it out again. Took maybe 10 to 20 minutes at the most. We were smart though we used our speed and our surrounding as an advantage. We were not dumb and let it just shoot us to death by standing still.
I look forward to seeing these out and about in the verse.
IMO Capital ships will be only used in Org. to Org. battles or planned events by CIG. Since the crew sizes and cost to maintain are so large. The sweet spot that I have looked for is 2 - 6 crew, with long range capability, but can also be soloed with a couple blades and or RL/NPC crew. The examples would be a Spirit C1/A1, Drake Corsair, 400i, MSR, RSI Connie/Zeus, C2/M2/A2 Caterpillar, Galaxy, Carrack and Perseus. I did not include all types of ships in this category, there is to many to list, but you get the idea. In this way a few friends can crew, but you have other options to choose from and running cost/repair will be much lower.
I think it works in CIG favor to have PVE missions for cap ships. Because of that I think there will be tons of gameplay applications for Cap ships outside of org to org battles. I think some folks will specifically seek to grab an NPC crew and captain the heck out of them in ways they would never do with friends.
I hope they add pve missions that require cap ships. Traveling into hostile alien space or attacking a large pirate station or kraken.
100%. its basically a Star Wars and Trekkies dream come true. Im now genuinely considering getting one if available.@@billionaireninjas
CiG has to get AI crews to work or the game is dead.
Then it's just the UEC needed to run it and many people already have that covered.
The polaris sounds more like that sweet spot. Im sure you can succesfully use one with 6 crew members. Solo if you dont plan to go into combat.
As a solo player I would rate the Idris as a 3. It is a great ship, but I do not think I will ever get a large enough crew together to man it correctly and it would be a hangar queen.
Considering both the ship, AI blades, and NPC crew aren't in game yet I couldn't go as low as a three. I think there is going to be a reckoning. That reckoning will be that AI blades and NPC grew are wayyyy more useful than people thought they would be... And people will want bigger ships but those prices will have already gone up.
I'm looking forward to having a chance to be part of an Idris crew but have no desire to own one myself. Too much money, too much organizing enough people to operate it. It should be great to see in action with SQ42 though.
This is absolutely my opinion as well. I'll never own one, but I'll get on one to do engineering or medical gameplay.
hope there are fps npc missions inside one, since fully crewed player's ones will be rare for the next years
Now would have been the best time to do this review :D
Man, seeing Lando gunning his way through an idris while avoiding ladders. It would have been perfect.
I think what a lot of people don't realize just how hard its going to be to actually kill one of these once we have armor and damage working properly. Between the pretty massive amount of cargo, the hangar which we'll be able to stuff any number of ships into, the full medical bay, and all the guns - it really is going to be a great do everything ship so long as you have the people for it. I plan on using my K along with my org for everything from big combat missions to long range trade runs of super valuable/dangerous cargo.
Agreed! I don’t think there is enough “hype” for the K kit. I know it’ll be “less powerful” than the M, but there’s a few points people miss. First the auto turrets reduce crew by 4. Second, the missiles give the ship a much better fighter defence and the size 10 laser, especially if a “constant beam” weapon will be cooler, and even if not will be cheaper to run as there’s no ammo cost.
@@charliemcawesome5012 A full laser fit Idris-K is going to be able to operate way out for a looooong time. I do still want to earn the railgun in-game and screw around with that on my K though
I have Polaris and Idris both coming.... they's going to be it for my military capital ships... there rest are my 890, Banu Merchantman, MISC Odyssey and Carrack.
I really want an idris but no matter how I try to fudge the math I just don't need one. Polaris is the biggest cap combat ship I need. I am going to get myself an A2 though to keep me warm at night. A Consolation prize! We have a lot of the same ships!
@@billionaireninjas yeah, for me this game is as much about collecting useless ships that are just "cool" as it is about actual game play... and I'm fortunate to have the spare funds.
Same here. I'm lucky enough to be attracted to ships I can actually use for the most part except the Idris. I'm updating my Joysticks and chair first!
@@billionaireninjas I was in this position for a while... had an Idris in buyback but also a Polaris and a fairly big fleet. I reviewed it though and realized the Idris was simply too special to pass up versus lots of smaller ships I really didn't need (IE two 600is). I think that decision will pay big dividends in game as far as owning such an iconic ship goes.
We'll see, as of right now it's a no, because I have three other capital ships that I absolutely need. After I finish buying my hardware I'll revisit this.
I think the only time I'll spend time on one of these will be during squadron 42. Unless my org needs someone to move crates around in the hold. 😂
😂😂😂
My Idris P/K is going to be home away from home. I got it because it will provide the long distance transport for the group and while in transit everyone can use the facilities on board. I think the gun range in particular is a good thing for people who want something to do while on long trips.
Then there is the hanger. This is a key thing because my friends will want to bring some of their own ships and this allows them to.
Totally looking forward to using this. It is going to be so cool.
PS: this is going to needs both AI crew and AI blades so I am watching their development closely.
Same here! Except I don't own one yet. I'm saving it for an earn-in game. I know so many people with an Idris that I can't see a need to spend real money for it right now.
The K is often misunderstood and it is here as well. Its not a set upgrade. Its a bunch of stuff that can be mixed and matched on the P and M variant. So you can decide to put the spinal laser on the P but leave everything else as is or put missile turrets on the M but keep the railgun. Its like instead of buying a connie aquila to get a scanning turret you just put the scanner on your andromeda for example.
Thanks for the info!
Some old outdated information that I can't remember where I heard, so it may be BS or just no longer the case, but I heard M has more armor but slower than the P, P will be faster but less armor, and the K has its s10 beam weapon, but in order to use it you will need to reduce your shields some to get enough energy to fire it. Also you will be able to upgrade a P to an M in game if you have the right reputation with the UEE. This is all up in the air, could be wrong info or no longer the case.
I would like for this to be the case for the sake of balancing.
Will be good to see it in action once it is properly released, but it was good to hear what it could be used for. And also good to hear your honest opinion in comparisons to other ships and if it is worth it or not, just like your hammerhead video.
Idris has always been sold to carry 3 medium fighters since its inception before it even became a frigate. In fact they said it carries 3 medium fighters in its hanger with one in researve. Think that 4th one was taken out, and it can only have 3 at the most there is no 4th one in researve anymore.
If it can hold 3 medium fighters, how big a swarm of snubs could you carry?
Can’t wait to get this idris out of my hangar and slap this size 10 on it
Same!
The reason for the P and the K to have the same amount of cargo, it is because they do not have the railgun mounted on the bottom of the ship. The K has an energy weapon but it does not take the space away from the railgun. Now. All the cargo space will be dedicated to ordinance, equipment, supplies. The P can be more of a cargo ship with part of the SCUs dedicated supplies and another to cargo. This ships will have a huge investment to keep them operational with a crew in between 20 and 40 people. I think 80 as in SQ42 is overkill
Nah, it is the missile room that only the M has.
@@TheEVEInspiration you are right. Why did I hear it was the rail gun. Thanks for the correction
I have been pondering the idea of getting an Idris for awhile now, next month would be the time to get one… but with how broken this game still is… i can’t get friends to log back on and when they do, I tend to feel embarrassed showing them this crapshoot of an alpha. Maybe in 2025/2026, but by then I might be busy with a family or better career.
I know you gave it a 10/10, but I think it’s a 7/10 max… way too expensive to maintain, too large of crew requirements, FOMO (thanks CiG) and when the BMM exists (nearly 3k SCU, lots of automation so less crew required, easier to deal with in atmosphere, less FOMO (still there, again thanks CiG…) and still has pilot controlled duel S8 guns… even then, it’s a 9/10 max due to running costs/FOMO.
Idris is too valuable of a target without escorts, it’s too easy to sneak onto, and it’s going to be very hard to manage your crew effectively.
What is a 10/10 ship? We don’t have a perfect ship yet because the fundamentals of the game are still missing!
The inofrmation you were saying about the weapons and turrets sizes dont match what you were showing on screen. pretty confusing
Apologies. The on-screen Information was supposed to say *Correction.
@@billionaireninjas Thanks for clarifying! cheers
Just a heads up : CO = Commanding officer (Captain), XO = Executive Officer (First officer)
Did I say that wrong in the video?
@@billionaireninjas You were tecnicaly correct, you said CO and First officer quarters..
Ah ok either way I appreciate the correction!
All that Javelin slander, if I come across a Vanduul destroyer I rather be in a crewed Javelin than an Idris. Also a Javelin has more weapons and stopping power than an idris Im not sure what you're saying there about the Idris having more.
The Javelin for sure has more firepower. No hate against the Javelin at all. I just think the crew requirement and the cost will hold it back more than the Idris. Note: I don't say the Idris is a better fighting ship I say it's a better value and the biggest ship anyone would ever actually need. The Javelin is more of a want for most people unless you can get 50+ people in game with you. You should watch my Javelin Video and check out it's rating! You might be surprised at how highly I rate it.
the Idris M is the only Idris with some kind of firepower with s10 railgun and the s7 dual turret upfront and armor other then that the idris has no other capital sized guns, the p and k type are lite escort carriers at best, 6 if it gets more capital sized guns id bump it to a 8
My guess is a lot of of guns will be available to rival the Rail gun not just the k kit. We might be able to even add the rail gun later in-game. That size 10 laser isn't nothing either.
@@billionaireninjas i just mean the idris wont be a up in your face capital ship with no big guns on the sides and back to defend itself its a carrier, thats why id like to see an assault frigate or something
You also need to point out these Capital ships are a donation to the community, they are not yours even if you pay for them, they are owned by the community/Org/Group, you are just a benifactor.
How do you figure? You can't pilot it alone. But it's still yours.
You'll have to explain this one. I have bought and sold ships so as far as ownership goes I would say I have had full ownership.
@@billionaireninjas But your not buying ''Hammerheads/Idris/Kraken/Ploaris/Reclaimer/Javelin for yourself, thay have to be shared, have to be crewed. You are a generous benifactor...we thank you., they're ours.
@@davewills6121 They're "yours" to work on/crew when the owner decides you can. It still belongs to the person that bought it, and that's who makes the decisions with it.
@@XShadowAngel Your buying it solely for the community, its usless otherwise. Don't worry, with all the organization, support and cost, plus poor build quality and bugs......you'll give it away
Just get a Perseus
I got mine for $460
I think 2x Perseus = dead Idris
I mean I have one... But why?
@@spacenord8618 Maybe two Polaris. But two Perseus i think are going to have a tough time when the idris sends out two medium fighters with distortion weapons.
@@billionaireninjas you could be right and when all ships are in game we will see how powerful the Idris and Polaris and Perseus is then it might be more clear how many of each ship can take to kill them
weste of money
Maybe but you probably wasted more on getting laid
I happen to think it's an east of money.
Correction: the Idris can hold 3 light fighters, not medium ships.
You're right if you're talking about the original. The Idris has grown since concept and now holds 3 medium fighters.
You can easily fit 3 F8C's in there and thats a heavy size fighter ship in the game. Don't think you really understand what makes a ship a light, medium or heavy ship in the game. An F7A is a medium fighter and takes up almost the same exact space as an F8C which is a heavy fighter.