"Let's put the belt, known for working perfectly fine while dry for the past 10-20 years, INSIDE the engine so it can absorb oil and disintegrate after 2 years." - some engineer from PSA
New issue arrises on this engine: broken spark plugs (Bosch) that damage the engine. Happened to me after 20.000km. No recall! Thank you PSA and BOSCH!
The recall from PSA/ Citreon my Cactus Purtech was a f'in joke, they checked my belt width and said it conforms OK, 1.5 years later, engine is killed by belt breakdown. I hold them to account on this and will push for compensation.
There are big issues in Denmark with premature timing-belt failure on this engine. It is probably caused by too much gasoline or particles in the engine oil. Stellantis needs to address this promptly with a permanent fix and no extra expense for the customers or loose all credibility as a car maker.
Stellantis have Dollar signes in the eyes, and international law should punnish them to yale I though I put concrete to the top of my 208 and set it before the Stellantis office as th BAD car of every time in the World
Peugeot 5008 1.2 Puretec 2017 95000 KM Motorschaden Kulanzangebot eine Motorreparatur die der Vertragshändler noch nie gemacht hat und sich nicht kompetent fühlt !
Sinds last week there has been a new recall action by peugeot, open and citroen for the same issue for the puretec from 2018 till 2023. So, if you bought your car secondhand, please check with the official dealer if your car has been serviced.
Changed oil 0W-30 every 10.000km max which is quite normal. After 90.000km timing belt/oil pressure problems and after 110.000km huge oil leaking problems. 1 litre oil / max. 850km
@jackwittewel4335 It's either going down the pistons or there is something called the PSV valve which might account for the crazy oil consumption. Not smoking so could well be that. But the piston liners are the usual culprit and it's well known on this engine. The car has gone now someone else's problem
the advantage of having a rubber belt is it needs no lubrication, and is therefore easy to change. this is the worst of both worlds! If its in oil it should be a chain! if its a rubber belt it should be in air!
@@karimtemri1664 we’ll see about it being weak or not after 50.000km. I’ve read alot of forums saying that the timing chain usually goes out after 50.000-60.000 km.
@@bkgnkprt this thing has no timing chain. It has a timing belt that is runing in oil like a chain. And because the rubber doesn´t resist the aggressive blowby stuff coming into the oil, it starts to crumble and either leads to low oil pressure in general or it blocks specific oil lines which makes the part where the oil line leads to, fail. It´s the worst engine on the market. Even Ford went back to timing chain in 2018 because this belt in oil stuff just doesn´t work.
I have a (fully mantained) 2019 P2008 with 23,000 miles on it and the belt is now giving oil pressure errors and forcing the car into limp mode It's disgraceful
I am shocked to find that the cam belt is inside the engine, rather than outside! Or that it isn't an old school, tried and tested timing chain! Nice going Peugeot!
It doesn't seem to matter if it is an internal belt or chain these days, you still have to replace them both, the chain usually at about 120k which is ridiculous given the cost of doing it. Some of the cars and 4x4s I used to work on way back that were fitted with chains would go for 250k plus which is much more like the mileage I would expect them to make. It's all a con and I will stick to a 1.6 or 2 litre diesel and stay away from the major internal belt and spark plug issues, shame because it could have been a bomb-proof little engine
@@Micestro109Agree. I could never understand why chains needed to be replaced more with modern cars. They aren’t under huge stress, it’s possible to engineer them to last the life of the engine but they aren’t. They are designed to fail!
I had the 3 cylinder 1.2cc engine in my peugeot 206 on a low mileage 66 plate, I was always topping up the oil every 3-4 weeks, It used as much oil as it did fuel, I sold it on.
Oxidated oil and acids in it had this influence on elastomer of the belt. Belt particles then were blocking oil pump cage and causing many other issues (potentially oil filter as well) - belt was damaged in most of the cases but still working. I think after 2017 belt was replaced with a new type and new oil spec was introduced like B71 2312 which has had elastomer compatibility tests. On such an engine you need to change oil more frequently every 7000 km (~200-250 motohours), as well as the belt ideally every 60000-70000 km. There are a lot of engines with a wet belt - its not an issue at all. It was just a bad luck with this issue on this new engine, but I’ve not heard on this issue recently anything
You are right but not totaly: the actual approved belt (sinze 03/2017) was parallel use in same time the rejected model sinze production launch in 2013 (both are from Dayco) , and the oil specifications WAS NOT modified: the B71 2312 (0w30) was still always required for the TURBO puretech (100, 110, 130 and 155hp), and the older B71 2390-96 (5w40) is still approved today for the atmospheric engines (68 and 82hp) ...Oil change all 10 000km (or all years first attempt)) is OK, all 7000km is a bit luxury...I did change my belt (today approved model, with white markings) with 100 000km and the belt was in good condition (oil change all 10 000km) and not belt parts in the oil suction strainer (oil pan was removed for controll)...Ford had same % issues with he's 1,0L ecoboost engine with "belt in oil", and the most time is part of the fault at owner (too long time between oil changes (like 3 years without changes because low mileage+mainly city driving) or use from not approved oils are the main causes), but in close all cases was the faulty belt was the rejected belt model ( yellow markings)
@@leneanderthalien thanks! Fully agree that oil change is critical for wet belt. In my view 250 hours or 7000 km is the golden interval for the oil change
This has not aged well even with the "new" oil we are seeing problems and blocked oil pickups. In the space the belt takes a duplex chain could be fitted making a bulletproof engine.
Just spend over £1000 to get my fixed, called Peugeot and they advised that there is not a know issue with 2008 1.2 Puretech despite the model been recalled all over Europe for the Wet belt issue. Not sure till when they will be able to hide the issue.
Timing belt degradation causes various unknown problems in the rest of oiled parts of the like the leaking of cylinder pressure, turbo blocking ... All parts that can be degraded by friction with The glass fiber of the belt . And when your car has has 100000km and is bricked in front of your house you have no other solution than prey In order the factory help you to pay a replacement of the Motor . Sorry for the frenglish
Belt was replaced FOC under the PSA recall last year. It is possible that a software change at the time is responsible for P0011 faults occuuring more frequently since the belt was replaced. Oil of the correct type has been changed at under the specified intervals.
The software update in that recall was on the body control module ( to change the service interval calculator) not on the engine control module wich is showing you the p0011. I think there are parts of the timing belt in your cam shaft actuator causing that to fail / working correctly. That's giving you the p0011 cam actuator fault.
Ford tried wet timing belts in the 1.0 ecoboost and the 2.0 eco blue and they are proven to cause problems and shops are known to do timing chain conversions on them so the owners do not have to deal with it again, and does it o n their 1.4L 4 cylinder TSI but at least VW provides an 80K inspection interval so if it ever has to be replaced it is twice as expensive as replacing a dry timing belt. A dry timing belt is just removing the serpentine belt, harmonic balancer, and the plastic covers to access it. Most DOHC and SOHC engines used timing belts throughout the 20th century and early 2000s since timing belts provide a smoother ride than timing chains due to technological limitations preventing them from making them quiet and efficient. Even Hondas with V6 engines used timing belts well into the 2010s. Even the 2020 Acura TLX with the V6 uses a tried and true dry timing belt that can be replaced in as little as an hour or two. Honda used a timing belt in their V6 engines because they want that engine to be running as smooth as possible and people who own a Honda or an Acura with a V6 has sweared by that engine for not only for being very reliable and a peppy engine but for being a very smooth running engine.
Если судить по комментариям, граждане европейских стран тоже очень недовольны этим двигателем. Когда-то европейские моторы отличались высоким качеством и при правильной эксплуатации работали 500000 километров пробега автомобиля до капитального ремонта. Сейчас большинство силовых агрегатов столько не работают, не подлежат капитальному ремонту, и в случае серьезной поломки просто идут на утилизацию. У меня Citroen C - Elysee со старым надежным 4 - цилиндровым TU5JP4, и покупал я его с расчетом на долгую эксплуатацию в течение 10 - 15 лет...
The Puretech engine is a GDI design. Many GDI engines suffer from oil dilution due to high pressure fuel injection and low tension piston rings. If your Puretech engine have a worn timing belt, please make a oil sample to check for oil dilution. Have not experienced the 1.2 non GDI suffer from the same timing belt issue.
it's not the gdi system..... it's the high boost pressure turbo that makes the engine run hot. the ecm gives more fuel to cool the engine down. that exessive fuel ends up in the engine oil. the psa non turbo 3 cilinders with wet belts don't have any problems.
this recall is a belt check..... if the belt doesn't fit in a special tool the engine must be reworked (belt change and checks for contamination in various parts like the oil pick up and vacuum pump etc. and an oil flush is done). In this recal the body control mudule (BSI) must be re programmed to change the service interval calculator.
Is the VTI engine the same as the Puretech, is the belt inside the engine? And does it face the same problems as the Puretech or not really because it's non-turbo?
The none turbo 3 cilinder psa engines don't have belt problems. Intervals are set at 180.000 km and they make that easy without problems. The problem with the turbo version is that the engines are running hot because of the high pressure turbo. The ecm gives more fuel to cool the engine down. That exessive fuel ends up in the engine oil (dilution). And that is the cause for the belt to fall apart and end up in the oil pick up causing los of oil pressure.
I’ve got the 1.2 puretech 65plate it’s caused me headaches I just need to no the timing sequence I’ve changed cambelt exhaust valves head gasket turbo and I still can’t get it to run
With the ford ecoboost the belt degradation is generally been seen as owners not using the correct oil spec which is understandable, most owners baulk at paying over £40 for 5 liters of the correct oil compared to £20 for 5 liters from the local supermarket. I've just replaced both my ecoboost belts that's only 8 years old as I was worried about the condition of my belts, even though I've had it from New and can guarantee the correct oil has been used. Both belts were in good condition. The labour cost for a main dealer to carry out the work would have been £1k before the cost of parts, ancillarys and the dreaded VAT
@@apn42I've been following the ecoboost engines for a while now and there is not evidence of this. But there is evidence of oil changes and the type of oil used effecting it. Fuel contaminating the oil only emphasises the importance of regular oil change
@@apn42 I did think about ethanol in the fuel being a cause. But in that case I feel like there would be a clear correlation between countries that use higher ethanol fuel and lower as well as people who use premium fuel and normal fuel
@@gamesmaster1060 I think ethanol is not a issue because i'm driving sinze 2017 a 208 puretech 110 who run only with E85 (after flexfuel reprogramming+ power increase to 130hp), did change the timing belt at 100 000km after 4 years driving and belt was in correct condition, oil pick up was clean, BUT i did alway make oil changes all 10 000km (myself) and drive at 90% on country roads and highway, oil only the factory defined Total Ineo 0w30 PSA B71 2312...
I just bought a second hand 2008 from june 2018. In the video they said that they recalled cars from 2013-2017 for belt problems. Should I still be worried?
Just don’t know why they didn’t fit a chain surly with it being a wet drive. I’ve had mine 18 months no issues yet. I’m usually pretty good at looking at reviews and did all the normal ones which didn’t bring any issues up about the 1.2 wet Balt of course when buying this at a main dealer when I was asking about the engine I was told no problems with it at all so unfortunately for me this was before the recall. So again I contacted my dealer and ask them about the recall my answer was the same so what about my car no problem and no recall recall should I be concerned?
4 roky 14500 km a motor vyhadzuje chybu engine fault diagnostika je bez chyby. no pekný brak tento typ. už sa teším na hľadanie chyby a následné opravy
I drive a Citroen Xsara Picasso 1,6 gasoline year 2008. Fine engine fine car. My next car will NOT be a Citroen, I do not accept a "Belt in oil" engine. So my next car will probably be a Mazda CX-5. It has a timing chain. But I would rather prefere an External (dry) timing belt, as in my Picasso. Many new engines are crap. Ford EcoBoost is another prime example.
less problems after march 2017, but need to change oil all 10 000km to avoid problems caused from oil pollution from gas dilution...and use only the allowed oil quality, very important!
Maybe the cheap belt is a service scheme to keep coming back for service to make money & they could've created a chain belt for long lasting no service in the engine! smh!
Jak najdalej od tego syfu czyli silnika 1.2 (130 km) w naszym modelu Peg 3008 przebieg 46 tys silnik się zatarł powód : pasek rorzadu pływający w oleju ,pasek się łuszczy i zatyka kominy olejowe. Auto w 90 % tryb miejski. W serwisie dowiedziałem się że olej maksymalnie co 10 tys a rorzad maks 50 tys . Jak najdalej od tego gówna!!!!!!!!!!!
It looks like the Oil Change with the wrong oil is to blame and degrades the wet belt, clogging up the filter. I think Peugeot needs to accept that owners are going to go to independent, non-specialist garages for their services and issue guidance to all owners concerning the oil.
Do not buy a puretech 1.2 engine. The belt WILL fail. google belt issues for puretech 1.2, forums are flooded with the fatal flaw. once engine is flooded with bwlt componenets engine is ruined. DO NOT BUY SECOND HAND PUGEUT PURETECH
if you service your car once a year you wont have any issues .... most people have issues becouse they are cheap on service or they refil oil on their own ... even if it happens to you, for a new car you got a warranty so there shuldnt be any issues
@@RePlayBoy101 not true, i have the 1.2L 130HP engine, service every year at the dealer with the correct oil and now after only 60.000km the belt is desintegrating. it's a design flaw that occurs even with good maintenance.
@@Tom-ku5rz what version if the engine and belt do you have ... not all engines are the same even if its the same statistics, parts were revised and changed or improved
no, the construction is the problem. Those are just excuses. Even cars that run with the right oil and no additives, have problems with the timing belt. It´s just a cheap, useless, obsolescence construction.
Same engine is being launched here in India by Citeron. Not sure if they have improved anything after this shitshow. Still this will be one of the best engines in it's category, only beaten by VW's 1 ltr TSI
Yes, it is the same engine and the problem persists even with the new polymer belt, which is the only reason I have cancelled purchase of the C3 Aircross.
> Integrated exhaust manifold into the header > Plastic belt swimming into a detergent-filled synthetic oil > oil pickup pipe so small it would clog up after the second belt change > Messy belt change > 0w30 oil , really? > Compression so high the engine would make positive crank blowby right out of the factory So is this engine reliable ? Short answer : *NO*
US and japanese cars use common 0w20 oils...and belt in oil are use sinze 20 years first on on VW (oil pump belt) and Ford ...My engine as now 110 000km and run realy fine (belt change at 100 000km)
@@leneanderthalien you're talking about US and Japanese craftsmanship , this is french idiocy at finest , this is what happens when you don't have enough engineering capabilities and try to please a bunch of environmentalists that won't even buy the car at the same time , hell even the chain driven Renault F4AT is the worst engine Renault made (guess what they nicknamed it) French don't do engines , period
@@BIGBOICOMBO your grotesque comment prove your ignorance and your stupidity...and timing belt in oil is a idea made in the USA (Dayco) and use fist by Ford (on gasoline and diesel engines), long before Peugeot...
Having had trouble with the wet timing belt on a ford ecoboost there is no way I am touching an engine with that ever again! Horrendous design. Why are they making engines like phone models to be swapped out every couple of years?
kayışın yıpranmasından sebep 34000 km de turbom komple değişti kirli yağın yağ süzgecini tıkamasından sebep extra garanti satın aldığımdan ücret ödemedim
They told customers with some engine knowledge = of course forseeing severe problems with normal belts in engine oil, that they developed a new sort of belt material that would last in this condition for 220.000 km. So they lied and now make guarantee problems.
Now show a video of the dreaded engine warning light with low oil pressure. Shit engine not designed with longevity in mind. Traded mine in for something with Japanese engineering.
You have no idea... It's not a stupid idea and it's has it's benefits. In ford Ecoboost engine there's no problems with the timing belts although it's also a "wet belt" design. Just in Peugeot case they had some problems with belt suppliers.
Il peggior motore che abbia mai posseduto, beve olio come una spugna, devo cambiarlo ogni 10000km, altrimenti, i residui della cinghia bagnata, otturano la pompa e a bassi regimi, scalcia come un mulo
AVOID ANY CAR WITH THIS ENGINE ESPECIALLY LOW MILEAGE..... Found out why my low mileage 208 sounds like a tractor: blocked oil ways and disintegrating crankshaft thrust washers
i like peugeot and citroens but i just wish they made them like they did in 90's ... Really good engines back then , non the less i might still end up buying this or the diesel version of a french car... they are the cheapest options , but also not the least reliable car in my experience, i drove a volkswagen with all sorts of issues , id rather buy a french turd cheaply and drive it to the grave then buy a used VW thats even bigger pile of shit...
This bad engine only problems on my Peugeot 208 2017 THP 110PK within 20.000km distribution belt replacement waterpump replacement High pressure pump replacement never and never more an Peugeot
drive a 208 with the same engine, zero problems , did change the belt at 100 000km, is now at 115000km, but made oil changes all 10 000km sinze new+ drive at 90% highways and country roads
@@k98k007 Every service whas made by Peugeot before all problems occured at 22.200KM its a bad engine, and those ingenieurs should go uot to develop engines for peugeot
Its now 6 years old and 32.000KM and now they say the carterpan leaking 500€ to repair it, and board Voltage is also to high 14,8 Volt with good messure
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"Let's put the belt, known for working perfectly fine while dry for the past 10-20 years, INSIDE the engine so it can absorb oil and disintegrate after 2 years." - some engineer from PSA
Yup the managers, designers and testers need to be fired 🔥 just like 2 of the engines that failed in my 2014 Cactus..
@@8117hen I was working for psa, and been testing that engine. I'm proud of that.
Le French
If the right oil is used and changed enough they can last ages. That's the whole idea
@@gamesmaster1060 thats not true, 5 years allways serviced at citroen, only the oil cost close to 200eur
New issue arrises on this engine: broken spark plugs (Bosch) that damage the engine. Happened to me after 20.000km. No recall! Thank you PSA and BOSCH!
same
Dann ist Bosch Schuld, scheiß Bosch Zündkerzen
The recall from PSA/ Citreon my Cactus Purtech was a f'in joke, they checked my belt width and said it conforms OK, 1.5 years later, engine is killed by belt breakdown. I hold them to account on this and will push for compensation.
Any update?
There are big issues in Denmark with premature timing-belt failure on this engine. It is probably caused by too much gasoline or particles in the engine oil. Stellantis needs to address this promptly with a permanent fix and no extra expense for the customers or loose all credibility as a car maker.
Stellantis have Dollar signes in the eyes, and international law should punnish them to yale I though I put concrete to the top of my 208 and set it before the Stellantis office as th BAD car of every time in the World
Peugeot 5008 1.2 Puretec 2017 95000 KM Motorschaden
Kulanzangebot eine Motorreparatur die der Vertragshändler noch nie gemacht hat und sich nicht kompetent fühlt !
Aber ich erwarte weitere Dividendenerhöhungen ,
sonst ist das nicht zu rechtfertigen
Absolutely true !!
Next time do through research before buying your next new car, this will scare them.
Have one in a C3 that I’ve owned for 5yrs and it’s never let me down once
it all depends on how you maintain your car and how you drive it... just like many other cars
How many kilometres
My Peugeot dead 95.300
@@thomasheitmann1804which model and which year
mine is currently 5yrs old with 60.000km and the belt is disintegrating, always had the proper sevices and recommended oil
@@RePlayBoy101 not true
If they went through all the hassle of enclosing the timing system within the engine, why didn't they just fit it with a chain???
ofcourse for efficiency
My thoughts exactly!
@@alexborneo1846 efficiency for who? not the customer
@@Billy-The-Goat haha..maybe yes maybe no, for us customer its bad idea ofc
Sinds last week there has been a new recall action by peugeot, open and citroen for the same issue for the puretec from 2018 till 2023. So, if you bought your car secondhand, please check with the official dealer if your car has been serviced.
what about if you have one on order, does it mean it will be delayed until fixed?
Its a great engine if u keep an eye on it and keep the oil fresh
Changed oil 0W-30 every 10.000km max which is quite normal. After 90.000km timing belt/oil pressure problems and after 110.000km huge oil leaking problems. 1 litre oil / max. 850km
Yes correct, we keep the oil fresh as it takes a litre every 1000 miles
@@jafarparkes It's absolutely extreme !!
@jackwittewel4335 It's either going down the pistons or there is something called the PSV valve which might account for the crazy oil consumption. Not smoking so could well be that. But the piston liners are the usual culprit and it's well known on this engine. The car has gone now someone else's problem
A litre every 1000 miles!! Are you having a laugh 😂😂😂😂 thats FAR FAR to much@jafarparkes
No problem. Just change the cam belt whenever you change the oil .... lol
joke
ha ha
the advantage of having a rubber belt is it needs no lubrication, and is therefore easy to change. this is the worst of both worlds! If its in oil it should be a chain! if its a rubber belt it should be in air!
@@danielh.5607 We've seen the same dreadful setup on Ford's Ecoboom engine...
We have the 2020 Opel Corsa F with this engine (100hp) and after 27000km and me forcing this lil 1.2 to its absolute limits, its still perfectly fine.
I have heard from some people the 1.2 is extremely weak
@@karimtemri1664 we’ll see about it being weak or not after 50.000km. I’ve read alot of forums saying that the timing chain usually goes out after 50.000-60.000 km.
You'd hope it would last 27000km lol
@@bkgnkprt this thing has no timing chain. It has a timing belt that is runing in oil like a chain. And because the rubber doesn´t resist the aggressive blowby stuff coming into the oil, it starts to crumble and either leads to low oil pressure in general or it blocks specific oil lines which makes the part where the oil line leads to, fail.
It´s the worst engine on the market. Even Ford went back to timing chain in 2018 because this belt in oil stuff just doesn´t work.
Update?
What happened to those simple and durable Peugeot engines. They have destroyed the Peugeot name !
Peugeot Customer:- I never buy your cars again
Peugeot:- already done you over and have your cash, next customer please
Does the 2022 peugeot 2008 better now? i am looking to buy one with 35000km and they give me 3 years of warranty but i dont want to be scammed.
I have a (fully mantained) 2019 P2008 with 23,000 miles on it and the belt is now giving oil pressure errors and forcing the car into limp mode
It's disgraceful
I’m working on one now, 44k on clock just replaced turbo and it’s had the belt already due to low oil pressure 🤦🏼♂️
I am shocked to find that the cam belt is inside the engine, rather than outside! Or that it isn't an old school, tried and tested timing chain! Nice going Peugeot!
It doesn't seem to matter if it is an internal belt or chain these days, you still have to replace them both, the chain usually at about 120k which is ridiculous given the cost of doing it.
Some of the cars and 4x4s I used to work on way back that were fitted with chains would go for 250k plus which is much more like the mileage I would expect them to make. It's all a con and I will stick to a 1.6 or 2 litre diesel and stay away from the major internal belt and spark plug issues, shame because it could have been a bomb-proof little engine
@@Micestro109Agree. I could never understand why chains needed to be replaced more with modern cars. They aren’t under huge stress, it’s possible to engineer them to last the life of the engine but they aren’t. They are designed to fail!
I had the 3 cylinder 1.2cc engine in my peugeot 206 on a low mileage 66 plate, I was always topping up the oil every 3-4 weeks, It used as much oil as it did fuel, I sold it on.
why not use a chain and provide a set of ear plugs as an optional extra at six hunderd pounds
Oxidated oil and acids in it had this influence on elastomer of the belt. Belt particles then were blocking oil pump cage and causing many other issues (potentially oil filter as well) - belt was damaged in most of the cases but still working. I think after 2017 belt was replaced with a new type and new oil spec was introduced like B71 2312 which has had elastomer compatibility tests. On such an engine you need to change oil more frequently every 7000 km (~200-250 motohours), as well as the belt ideally every 60000-70000 km. There are a lot of engines with a wet belt - its not an issue at all. It was just a bad luck with this issue on this new engine, but I’ve not heard on this issue recently anything
You are right but not totaly: the actual approved belt (sinze 03/2017) was parallel use in same time the rejected model sinze production launch in 2013 (both are from Dayco) , and the oil specifications WAS NOT modified: the B71 2312 (0w30) was still always required for the TURBO puretech (100, 110, 130 and 155hp), and the older B71 2390-96 (5w40) is still approved today for the atmospheric engines (68 and 82hp) ...Oil change all 10 000km (or all years first attempt)) is OK, all 7000km is a bit luxury...I did change my belt (today approved model, with white markings) with 100 000km and the belt was in good condition (oil change all 10 000km) and not belt parts in the oil suction strainer (oil pan was removed for controll)...Ford had same % issues with he's 1,0L ecoboost engine with "belt in oil", and the most time is part of the fault at owner (too long time between oil changes (like 3 years without changes because low mileage+mainly city driving) or use from not approved oils are the main causes), but in close all cases was the faulty belt was the rejected belt model ( yellow markings)
@@leneanderthalien thanks! Fully agree that oil change is critical for wet belt. In my view 250 hours or 7000 km is the golden interval for the oil change
@@leneanderthalien how can i know the right belt if i buy it aftermarket?
@@cascio100 Open the oil filler cap, you will see the belt (smooth or ribbed)
This has not aged well even with the "new" oil we are seeing problems and blocked oil pickups. In the space the belt takes a duplex chain could be fitted making a bulletproof engine.
The problem with the wet belts is a nightmare as for peugeot dealers aftersales no end of hassle with warranty claims
Just spend over £1000 to get my fixed, called Peugeot and they advised that there is not a know issue with 2008 1.2 Puretech despite the model been recalled all over Europe for the Wet belt issue. Not sure till when they will be able to hide the issue.
That wet belt is such a disaster. RIP engines….
Timing belt degradation causes various unknown problems in the rest of oiled parts of the like the leaking of cylinder pressure, turbo blocking ... All parts that can be degraded by friction with The glass fiber of the belt . And when your car has has 100000km and is bricked in front of your house you have no other solution than prey In order the factory help you to pay a replacement of the Motor . Sorry for the frenglish
I changed from Peugoet 2008 a small SUV(my first hand) to Ford Fusion ( used one) , LOL, never and ever touch PSA 1.2T - 3 cylinders.
I got a recall letter from Peugeot took it to Peugeot approved garage..I was told my car was no affected? Not sure driving it now !!
same happened to me, now 1yr later the belt is broken
Belt was replaced FOC under the PSA recall last year. It is possible that a software change at the time is responsible for P0011 faults occuuring more frequently since the belt was replaced.
Oil of the correct type has been changed at under the specified intervals.
The software update in that recall was on the body control module ( to change the service interval calculator) not on the engine control module wich is showing you the p0011. I think there are parts of the timing belt in your cam shaft actuator causing that to fail / working correctly. That's giving you the p0011 cam actuator fault.
Ford tried wet timing belts in the 1.0 ecoboost and the 2.0 eco blue and they are proven to cause problems and shops are known to do timing chain conversions on them so the owners do not have to deal with it again, and does it o n their 1.4L 4 cylinder TSI but at least VW provides an 80K inspection interval so if it ever has to be replaced it is twice as expensive as replacing a dry timing belt. A dry timing belt is just removing the serpentine belt, harmonic balancer, and the plastic covers to access it. Most DOHC and SOHC engines used timing belts throughout the 20th century and early 2000s since timing belts provide a smoother ride than timing chains due to technological limitations preventing them from making them quiet and efficient. Even Hondas with V6 engines used timing belts well into the 2010s. Even the 2020 Acura TLX with the V6 uses a tried and true dry timing belt that can be replaced in as little as an hour or two. Honda used a timing belt in their V6 engines because they want that engine to be running as smooth as possible and people who own a Honda or an Acura with a V6 has sweared by that engine for not only for being very reliable and a peppy engine but for being a very smooth running engine.
Why the French thought is a good idea to put the timing belt in oil, does it needs lubrication?
reduce noise and frictions, same was use in the Ford 1,0L 125 and 140hp ecoboost sinze 2 years before the launch from the puretech
lower friction gives lower emissions...... it's all for the "environment" (lower taxes
)
Если судить по комментариям, граждане европейских стран тоже очень недовольны этим двигателем. Когда-то европейские моторы отличались высоким качеством и при правильной эксплуатации работали 500000 километров пробега автомобиля до капитального ремонта. Сейчас большинство силовых агрегатов столько не работают, не подлежат капитальному ремонту, и в случае серьезной поломки просто идут на утилизацию. У меня Citroen C - Elysee со старым надежным 4 - цилиндровым TU5JP4, и покупал я его с расчетом на долгую эксплуатацию в течение 10 - 15 лет...
Had a 2014 puretech , for almost 10 years… no problems , but Peugeot Denmark, demands to change timing belt, after 5 years. Service every year.
The Puretech engine is a GDI design. Many GDI engines suffer from oil dilution due to high pressure fuel injection and low tension piston rings. If your Puretech engine have a worn timing belt, please make a oil sample to check for oil dilution. Have not experienced the 1.2 non GDI suffer from the same timing belt issue.
What is "oil dilution"?
@ paliwo dostaje się do oleju.
Ten problem występuje w wielu silnikach, również Diesla.
it's not the gdi system..... it's the high boost pressure turbo that makes the engine run hot. the ecm gives more fuel to cool the engine down. that exessive fuel ends up in the engine oil.
the psa non turbo 3 cilinders with wet belts don't have any problems.
This is what happens when you have kids in charge of R+D.
Had the same recall on a 2018, but Peugeot are refusing to replace the timing belt. They only check the brake pump. That's it. Is that legal?
this recall is a belt check..... if the belt doesn't fit in a special tool the engine must be reworked (belt change and checks for contamination in various parts like the oil pick up and vacuum pump etc. and an oil flush is done).
In this recal the body control mudule (BSI) must be re programmed to change the service interval calculator.
Is the VTI engine the same as the Puretech, is the belt inside the engine? And does it face the same problems as the Puretech or not really because it's non-turbo?
The none turbo 3 cilinder psa engines don't have belt problems. Intervals are set at 180.000 km and they make that easy without problems.
The problem with the turbo version is that the engines are running hot because of the high pressure turbo. The ecm gives more fuel to cool the engine down. That exessive fuel ends up in the engine oil (dilution). And that is the cause for the belt to fall apart and end up in the oil pick up causing los of oil pressure.
I’ve got the 1.2 puretech 65plate it’s caused me headaches I just need to no the timing sequence I’ve changed cambelt exhaust valves head gasket turbo and I still can’t get it to run
Is there no company who can retrofit it with a chain instead of a belt?
I heard that 408 hybrid engine comes with a timing chain. It can ben checked whether compatible with your engine.
there are conversion kits available...... google it
Does anyone know if it's true ?? what they say ?? "version 3 New belt with no known problems to date ???
the newest version has chains...... hope they last longer
this engine killed french cars for me, i really hope they ditch puretech and return to 206/307 engines
I have a 2022, do we know the part number of the better belt, so I can check? Many thanks
There is no "better" wet belt.
The newest version of this engine has chains. I hope they last a bit longer.
I will stick to chain engines, at least I will hear when the chain needs replacing !
Made by the dramatic factory ever who's not taking any blame,...... Stellantis!
With the ford ecoboost the belt degradation is generally been seen as owners not using the correct oil spec which is understandable, most owners baulk at paying over £40 for 5 liters of the correct oil compared to £20 for 5 liters from the local supermarket.
I've just replaced both my ecoboost belts that's only 8 years old as I was worried about the condition of my belts, even though I've had it from New and can guarantee the correct oil has been used. Both belts were in good condition.
The labour cost for a main dealer to carry out the work would have been £1k before the cost of parts, ancillarys and the dreaded VAT
Too much gasoline in the engine oil is the main culprit caused by fuel delivery system issues or sub optimal operating conditions.
@@apn42I've been following the ecoboost engines for a while now and there is not evidence of this. But there is evidence of oil changes and the type of oil used effecting it. Fuel contaminating the oil only emphasises the importance of regular oil change
@@gamesmaster1060 It is hard narrow down the cause exactly. Also depends on how the car is used.
@@apn42 I did think about ethanol in the fuel being a cause. But in that case I feel like there would be a clear correlation between countries that use higher ethanol fuel and lower as well as people who use premium fuel and normal fuel
@@gamesmaster1060 I think ethanol is not a issue because i'm driving sinze 2017 a 208 puretech 110 who run only with E85 (after flexfuel reprogramming+ power increase to 130hp), did change the timing belt at 100 000km after 4 years driving and belt was in correct condition, oil pick up was clean, BUT i did alway make oil changes all 10 000km (myself) and drive at 90% on country roads and highway, oil only the factory defined Total Ineo 0w30 PSA B71 2312...
so why has a Corporate Lawsuit not been made for not fit for purpose engines?
Hasn't the current version of this engine been redesigned to use a chain?
The 1.2 Corsa F has a Puretech engine and it has a wet belt
correct..... the newest version have chains
In Spain there are many people affected……Stellantis it is a big mess !!
I just bought a second hand 2008 from june 2018. In the video they said that they recalled cars from 2013-2017 for belt problems. Should I still be worried?
if it has the 3 cylinder 1.2L engine then yes, I have the 2020 model and the belt is desintegrating at 60.000km
@@Tom-ku5rz yes, I have the 3 cylinder 1.2 puretech 110hp so....fk :))
Just don’t know why they didn’t fit a chain surly with it being a wet drive. I’ve had mine 18 months no issues yet. I’m usually pretty good at looking at reviews and did all the normal ones which didn’t bring any issues up about the 1.2 wet Balt of course when buying this at a main dealer when I was asking about the engine I was told no problems with it at all so unfortunately for me this was before the recall. So again I contacted my dealer and ask them about the recall my answer was the same so what about my car no problem and no recall recall should I be concerned?
they didn't do a chain because of noise, friction and emissions.
What about the 82hp version???
It's the same engine with different power output.
statistically its less common, also it hasnt direct injection,turbo.
@@bou212 82hp version as no turbo and no direct injection
So is 82hp has any oil pressure problems due to blockage?
Have a 9 year old 82 hp version, have not experienced any timing belt issue.
My 2008 built August 2023 still has a belt 😂
the new version has chains
@@bertramkool Mine is the new version who told you they now have a chain?
@@MelchizedekKohen my trainers at psa....
@bertramkool They are wrong, then 🤷♂️ all new face lift peugeots have wet belt. I've literally got proof.
4 roky 14500 km a motor vyhadzuje chybu engine fault diagnostika je bez chyby. no pekný brak tento typ. už sa teším na hľadanie chyby a následné opravy
Is this the same engine as in Citroen C3 1.2 puretech 2018?
Same engine. sell it quickly 🙈
I drive a Citroen Xsara Picasso 1,6 gasoline year 2008. Fine engine fine car. My next car will NOT be a Citroen, I do not accept a "Belt in oil" engine. So my next car will probably be a Mazda CX-5. It has a timing chain. But I would rather prefere an External (dry) timing belt, as in my Picasso. Many new engines are crap. Ford EcoBoost is another prime example.
my renault captur has a chain, i made sure before i bought it
All the new 1.2's since 2023 have a chain.
can anyone answer the question? but like a diesel engine in a similar series. Does a diesel engine have such problems?
the 1.5hdi and 1.6hdi engines suffer from DPF failures or adblue tank problems
there's a problem with the sound
Ten silnik od samego patrzenia się psuje. Dla mnie to jest porażka Panów na konstruktorów. Bo nazwać ich inżynierów by była obraża.
I ve the 110cv version on a C3 2020 restyling... I Will have the same problem ???
less problems after march 2017, but need to change oil all 10 000km to avoid problems caused from oil pollution from gas dilution...and use only the allowed oil quality, very important!
wet belt 😂😂😂😂 what a dissaster idea
Maybe the cheap belt is a service scheme to keep coming back for service to make money & they could've created a chain belt for long lasting no service in the engine! smh!
if WE..people , didn't buy things when they're badly made ,,, they , (companies), would make better things..
fact
The chain starts to broke because of the oil the it blocks the oilpump an the cam shaft starts to damage…
chain?...
@@leneanderthalien belt*
Jak najdalej od tego syfu czyli silnika 1.2 (130 km) w naszym modelu Peg 3008 przebieg 46 tys silnik się zatarł powód : pasek rorzadu pływający w oleju ,pasek się łuszczy i zatyka kominy olejowe. Auto w 90 % tryb miejski. W serwisie dowiedziałem się że olej maksymalnie co 10 tys a rorzad maks 50 tys . Jak najdalej od tego gówna!!!!!!!!!!!
These new engines are not made to last 10 years.
The French version of the 1.0 Ford Ecoboom engine.
Diese und andere Beiträge haben mich dazu bewogen keinen Citroên Sondern wieder einen Mitsubishi zu kaufen....glück gehabt....😁😎
Why design an engine like this , for what purpose.
Hi
Is the PSA 1.0 puretech 2016 A WET BELT to was thinking a buys car with it
Basically all Puretech engines have the same wet belt issue.
Seriously? No recall??
the video literally mentions the recall
It looks like the Oil Change with the wrong oil is to blame and degrades the wet belt, clogging up the filter. I think Peugeot needs to accept that owners are going to go to independent, non-specialist garages for their services and issue guidance to all owners concerning the oil.
Do not buy a puretech 1.2 engine. The belt WILL fail. google belt issues for puretech 1.2, forums are flooded with the fatal flaw. once engine is flooded with bwlt componenets engine is ruined. DO NOT BUY SECOND HAND PUGEUT PURETECH
Ningún problema en mi Peugeot 3008 del 2021 35.000Km
Hi! the turbo variant of this engine has the same issues or it is a bit more relaible?
if you service your car once a year you wont have any issues .... most people have issues becouse they are cheap on service or they refil oil on their own ... even if it happens to you, for a new car you got a warranty so there shuldnt be any issues
Even worse with turbo.
@@kristofbrinken5495 you better not get an audi a4 then.... those things have "great" turbos
@@RePlayBoy101 not true, i have the 1.2L 130HP engine, service every year at the dealer with the correct oil and now after only 60.000km the belt is desintegrating. it's a design flaw that occurs even with good maintenance.
@@Tom-ku5rz what version if the engine and belt do you have ... not all engines are the same even if its the same statistics, parts were revised and changed or improved
Some of the aftermarket oil flush and oil additves available cause damage to the rubber.
no, the construction is the problem. Those are just excuses. Even cars that run with the right oil and no additives, have problems with the timing belt. It´s just a cheap, useless, obsolescence construction.
why make it a belt, if its in oil make it a chain!
Motor catastrófico.
PSA NUNCA MÁS.
What is happening with vehicles produced in 2019? I have Cactus 1.2. Thanks
the new belt is use sinze march 2017, no changes after
I ordered a car with a new C4 1.2 engine. Is it ok because now it's 2023?
@@VeinyPathwayPassionhow its going? Did you asked on the dealer?
@@VeinyPathwayPassion I am tempted by 408 for my wife. But this 1.2 ticking bomb is a no go for us :/ Good luck with yours, hopefully it will last.
just change the belt as stated in the service book , leave it too long and you'll be sorry!
Anyone knows about 1.5 bluehdi defects?
Adblue has been programmed to be a Defect before 10,000 miles intervals , than 6000 intervals
Now 1200 miles intervals
I have to admit that on the 3008 is quite a good engine really fast
On the 2008 is a bit faster😁
@@airineirazvanon the 208 faster
3008 1.6cc 180hp is faster.....with no that issue.
@@saintsmccastle3521 the topic was on the 1.2 engine. The way you put it,pininfarina has 1000+ hp and the saturn V rocket has 480.000 hp
@@airineirazvan If you felt hurt that is your business...cheers!.
Same engine is being launched here in India by Citeron. Not sure if they have improved anything after this shitshow. Still this will be one of the best engines in it's category, only beaten by VW's 1 ltr TSI
Renault 1.3 tce is the group leader
I purchases c3 india i am worried
Yes, it is the same engine and the problem persists even with the new polymer belt, which is the only reason I have cancelled purchase of the C3 Aircross.
For 2024 they have changed the engine to having a steel alloy timing chain. This new engine should last you about 3 lakh kilometres.
> Integrated exhaust manifold into the header
> Plastic belt swimming into a detergent-filled synthetic oil
> oil pickup pipe so small it would clog up after the second belt change
> Messy belt change
> 0w30 oil , really?
> Compression so high the engine would make positive crank blowby right out of the factory
So is this engine reliable ? Short answer : *NO*
US and japanese cars use common 0w20 oils...and belt in oil are use sinze 20 years first on on VW (oil pump belt) and Ford ...My engine as now 110 000km and run realy fine (belt change at 100 000km)
@@leneanderthalien you're talking about US and Japanese craftsmanship , this is french idiocy at finest , this is what happens when you don't have enough engineering capabilities and try to please a bunch of environmentalists that won't even buy the car at the same time , hell even the chain driven Renault F4AT is the worst engine Renault made (guess what they nicknamed it)
French don't do engines , period
@@BIGBOICOMBO your grotesque comment prove your ignorance and your stupidity...and timing belt in oil is a idea made in the USA (Dayco) and use fist by Ford (on gasoline and diesel engines), long before Peugeot...
@@BIGBOICOMBO France does not have engineering capabilities? Michelin, Dassault, Safran, Airbus ( part French), and the list goes...
@@BIGBOICOMBO You do know Peugeot had double overhead camshaft engines way back in 1912, way ahead of their time.......period !
Having had trouble with the wet timing belt on a ford ecoboost there is no way I am touching an engine with that ever again!
Horrendous design. Why are they making engines like phone models to be swapped out every couple of years?
Are there these problems in the engines produced in 2021
yes, still problems in the newer cars.
why they build the same issue like ford did
0:03 no it's not. The end
kayışın yıpranmasından sebep 34000 km de turbom komple değişti kirli yağın yağ süzgecini tıkamasından sebep extra garanti satın aldığımdan ücret ödemedim
All these modern engine's are designed to last 3 to 4 years or until the PCP has ended.
Absolute tosh. These engines are generally considered amongst the best.
@@NH-bz9jv yep. All about the maintenance. 👍👌
@@justinsteel6360 exactly👍
rubber & oil do not mix = disaster & cost to owner !!!
They told customers with some engine knowledge = of course forseeing severe problems with normal belts in engine oil, that they developed a new sort of belt material that would last in this condition for 220.000 km.
So they lied and now make guarantee problems.
77000 km belt is destroyed, we dont need this NEW ideas. Pug 208 2020 1.2 77kw.
Now show a video of the dreaded engine warning light with low oil pressure. Shit engine not designed with longevity in mind. Traded mine in for something with Japanese engineering.
You don't need to watch this video. Wet belt is all you need to know. Walk on by!
49000 kms et changement pompe a huile ,pompe a vide ,courroie distr et tout le reste sous garantie après 3 ans et demi
timing belt..........................................in oil..............................................who's stupid idea was that?
You have no idea... It's not a stupid idea and it's has it's benefits. In ford Ecoboost engine there's no problems with the timing belts although it's also a "wet belt" design. Just in Peugeot case they had some problems with belt suppliers.
@@vapex5462 that belt itself looks really thin to me...
Its absolutely ok- you just need to be sure all compatibility test with oil and elastomers are done properly.
Not to mention that Ford with a wet belt have similar issues. Who would have guessed?
first use by Ford ~in 2010 and VW did use belt in oil to drive oil pump sinze 20 years...
Il peggior motore che abbia mai posseduto, beve olio come una spugna, devo cambiarlo ogni 10000km, altrimenti, i residui della cinghia bagnata, otturano la pompa e a bassi regimi, scalcia come un mulo
AVOID ANY CAR WITH THIS ENGINE
ESPECIALLY LOW MILEAGE.....
Found out why my low mileage 208 sounds like a tractor: blocked oil ways and disintegrating crankshaft thrust washers
i like peugeot and citroens but i just wish they made them like they did in 90's ... Really good engines back then , non the less i might still end up buying this or the diesel version of a french car... they are the cheapest options , but also not the least reliable car in my experience, i drove a volkswagen with all sorts of issues , id rather buy a french turd cheaply and drive it to the grave then buy a used VW thats even bigger pile of shit...
This bad engine only problems on my Peugeot 208 2017 THP 110PK within 20.000km distribution belt replacement waterpump replacement High pressure pump replacement never and never more an Peugeot
drive a 208 with the same engine, zero problems , did change the belt at 100 000km, is now at 115000km, but made oil changes all 10 000km sinze new+ drive at 90% highways and country roads
How often do you change the oil?
@@k98k007 Every service whas made by Peugeot before all problems occured at 22.200KM its a bad engine, and those ingenieurs should go uot to develop engines for peugeot
Its now 6 years old and 32.000KM and now they say the carterpan leaking 500€ to repair it, and board Voltage is also to high 14,8 Volt with good messure
Engine fuel consumption very good because use timing belt
Tres idiotique, let Opel design the engines Stellantis!
Just stay away from these engines
Mas vale que hubiera reventao la fabrica y no sacar esa mierda a la calle.