Tim Lincecum is an example of a pitcher with stuff that was so electric that he never bother learning how to really pitch. We all thought he was the second coming of Pedro - he basically threw the same 3 pitches with great velocity and great movement from a slight frame. They both had the best change up in the league by a mile and that was their go-to strike-out pitch, they both threw an explosive 95-97 mph 4 seamer, and they both mixed in a knee-buckling 12-6 curve at around 81 mph, with all three pitches coming out of the same exact arm slot and thrown with the very same motion. The only real difference would be that, while both pitchers got great movement on all three pitches, Pedro's low 3/4 delivery generated tons of two-plane movement on his fastball and changeup - his 4-seamer not only had tons of gravity-defying horizontal "pop" but it also ran hard to the glove-side and his circle change was practically a screwball the way he could bend it down-and-away from left handed hitters. He could also vary the tilt-angle on his breaking pitch such that he could break sharply straight-down when he wanted to finish off a two-strike count, or he could give it a little bit of glove side movement angling it away from right handed batters or to bring it back over the outside corner for a called strike against a lefty, but it was always amazing to see how he could throw a curve that broke almost straight down from that low arm-slot. Like Pedro, Lincecum also had great movement on all three pitches, but his movement was almost entirely limited to the vertical plane. Of course, given the choice between vertical or horizontal movement on a pitch, a pitcher will almost always choose vertical movement - it's so much more important for missing bats. However, I've always felt that while veritcal movement was better for generating swing and miss strikes, horizontal movement is better used to fool batters into taking called strikes, which is extremely useful early in at bats to help a pitcher tilt the matchup in their favor by getting ahead in the count. When Tim Lincecum started losing his fastball, , his real problem was getting behind hitters because they weren't taking the cheese and swinging at his splitter - which he really couldn't throw for a strike anyway. Pedro, on the other hand, was still in his most un-hittable prime when his average fastball velocity had dipped from mid 90s down to the low 90s, because by that point he could command all three pitches, and locate them with extreme precision, working both sides of the plate as well as being able to get called strikes over at the knees early in counts with all three pitches, before expanding the zone on 2 strike counts. Lincecum on the other hand, never got great command of his pitches and he never learned to hold runners with that huge leg kick of his. He just had to much herky-jerky moving parts going on. Sure it helped give him a bit of a Hideo Nomo effect I think, but if he would have tightened that up I bet he would have been a lot more effective later into his career.
Mostly agree, but I doubt that Lincecum, with even weaker hardware than Martinez, could dominate the league with different delivery. Maybe he made a choice with this delivery, though he might not have noticed himself. To fly like Icarus and fall, or be a fine pitcher for longer.
Back to back Cy Young Awards and you’re saying he never really learned how to pitch? You obviously don’t know anything about pitching or baseball. Shut your mouth.
@@kimpk1288 Well it's kinda true and I'm a huge Lincecum fan. When Lincecum started declining rapidly with fastball velocity loss he never found the ability to improve his control and his mechanics are part of the reason of his decline. Whereas with guys like Pedro, even with Pedro losing speed on his fastball, he could still change his approach and he still has great control.
Recently found out that his diet change after 2010 caused him to lose about 15-20lbs, which in turn impacted his FB velo, which we all remember was his downfall. Once he couldnt throw 94+, his lethal changeup wasnt as effective since it was thrown at a relatively high velo itself.. he shouldve kept eating In n Out lol
@@23hunter152 he stopped the in n out diet in 2011 (believe you got it backwards).. and yes his hips are what gave out, but him losing the velo on his FB after dropping weight (stopped eating in n out) is what caused him to start rotating his hips sooner (trying to use torque instead of weight to generate velo), thus leading to his hip issues and subsequent decline.. Ironically, he threw two no-no's after this lol
@@dre32pitt negative. He started it in 2011. He put on more weight that season however cut back and lost the weight. I recall him looking bulkier to start that season which is when the articles came out regarding his new diet.
@@23hunter152 he'd always eaten 'junk' food and just worried about it later.. it's when he cut that all out and dropped about 30lbs (2012), from his peak weight, is when he ran into the aforementioned velo dip and then hip issues (compensating for the velo dip).. he had just kicked up his in n out intake to almost michael Phelps levels and it got a bunch of press, lol.
I think once he started getting into adding weight on his frame and stuff like that, I think that set the conditions for his mechanics to get fucked up, and then eventually resulting in his hip injuries.
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Tim Lincecum is an example of a pitcher with stuff that was so electric that he never bother learning how to really pitch. We all thought he was the second coming of Pedro - he basically threw the same 3 pitches with great velocity and great movement from a slight frame. They both had the best change up in the league by a mile and that was their go-to strike-out pitch, they both threw an explosive 95-97 mph 4 seamer, and they both mixed in a knee-buckling 12-6 curve at around 81 mph, with all three pitches coming out of the same exact arm slot and thrown with the very same motion. The only real difference would be that, while both pitchers got great movement on all three pitches, Pedro's low 3/4 delivery generated tons of two-plane movement on his fastball and changeup - his 4-seamer not only had tons of gravity-defying horizontal "pop" but it also ran hard to the glove-side and his circle change was practically a screwball the way he could bend it down-and-away from left handed hitters. He could also vary the tilt-angle on his breaking pitch such that he could break sharply straight-down when he wanted to finish off a two-strike count, or he could give it a little bit of glove side movement angling it away from right handed batters or to bring it back over the outside corner for a called strike against a lefty, but it was always amazing to see how he could throw a curve that broke almost straight down from that low arm-slot. Like Pedro, Lincecum also had great movement on all three pitches, but his movement was almost entirely limited to the vertical plane. Of course, given the choice between vertical or horizontal movement on a pitch, a pitcher will almost always choose vertical movement - it's so much more important for missing bats. However, I've always felt that while veritcal movement was better for generating swing and miss strikes, horizontal movement is better used to fool batters into taking called strikes, which is extremely useful early in at bats to help a pitcher tilt the matchup in their favor by getting ahead in the count. When Tim Lincecum started losing his fastball, , his real problem was getting behind hitters because they weren't taking the cheese and swinging at his splitter - which he really couldn't throw for a strike anyway. Pedro, on the other hand, was still in his most un-hittable prime when his average fastball velocity had dipped from mid 90s down to the low 90s, because by that point he could command all three pitches, and locate them with extreme precision, working both sides of the plate as well as being able to get called strikes over at the knees early in counts with all three pitches, before expanding the zone on 2 strike counts. Lincecum on the other hand, never got great command of his pitches and he never learned to hold runners with that huge leg kick of his. He just had to much herky-jerky moving parts going on. Sure it helped give him a bit of a Hideo Nomo effect I think, but if he would have tightened that up I bet he would have been a lot more effective later into his career.
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Mostly agree, but I doubt that Lincecum, with even weaker hardware than Martinez, could dominate the league with different delivery. Maybe he made a choice with this delivery, though he might not have noticed himself. To fly like Icarus and fall, or be a fine pitcher for longer.
Back to back Cy Young Awards and you’re saying he never really learned how to pitch? You obviously don’t know anything about pitching or baseball. Shut your mouth.
@@kimpk1288 Well it's kinda true and I'm a huge Lincecum fan. When Lincecum started declining rapidly with fastball velocity loss he never found the ability to improve his control and his mechanics are part of the reason of his decline.
Whereas with guys like Pedro, even with Pedro losing speed on his fastball, he could still change his approach and he still has great control.
his mechanics lead to injury from generating so much torque in his hips and too much bend in his back. this was very unnecessary to write.
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Recently found out that his diet change after 2010 caused him to lose about 15-20lbs, which in turn impacted his FB velo, which we all remember was his downfall. Once he couldnt throw 94+, his lethal changeup wasnt as effective since it was thrown at a relatively high velo itself.. he shouldve kept eating In n Out lol
2011 is when he started the in n out diet. So this is incorrect. Ultimately his hip issues are what led to the decrease in velocity.
@@23hunter152 he stopped the in n out diet in 2011 (believe you got it backwards).. and yes his hips are what gave out, but him losing the velo on his FB after dropping weight (stopped eating in n out) is what caused him to start rotating his hips sooner (trying to use torque instead of weight to generate velo), thus leading to his hip issues and subsequent decline..
Ironically, he threw two no-no's after this lol
@@dre32pitt negative. He started it in 2011. He put on more weight that season however cut back and lost the weight. I recall him looking bulkier to start that season which is when the articles came out regarding his new diet.
@@23hunter152 he'd always eaten 'junk' food and just worried about it later.. it's when he cut that all out and dropped about 30lbs (2012), from his peak weight, is when he ran into the aforementioned velo dip and then hip issues (compensating for the velo dip).. he had just kicked up his in n out intake to almost michael Phelps levels and it got a bunch of press, lol.
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Such nasty stuff. To bad it wasn’t sustainable.
Enough for a few World Series, all stars, million of dollars, and a hall of fame resume. I’d say he did pretty well.
I think once he started getting into adding weight on his frame and stuff like that, I think that set the conditions for his mechanics to get fucked up, and then eventually resulting in his hip injuries.
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