Death by EverQuest? The MMO Addiction Panic
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- In 2001, a tragic suicide stirred fears that MMORPGs would leave a trail of addicts in their wake. The MMO industry handled the situation poorly. So how did it manage to avoid a full blown moral panic?
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I put in a lot of hours into Everquest, my main character had 150 days /played over a period of a year or two. During that time I also lost my job and some friendships. Everquest was never the problem, it was just an outlet for me to cope with deep depression; something I will suffer on and off for my entire life. It never really helped or hindered me during that dark time, but it was something I could hold onto.
Depression sucks, if you are suffering please go and talk to your doctor or one of the many helplines. Help is available.
Warcraft made me depressed I had to quit. It made me all kinds of sad and hopeless
I like how 600 hours was a bad thing then but now people have 2000 hours on animal crossing
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I agree, great job CGY.
Excellent video. Very well researched and edited. Think your delivery was much better as well. I remember the news around EQ as a young teenager because my Dad would watch the nightly news religiously and saw these EQ news reports especially the suicide one. He immediately made the ruling that I could only play EQ an hour a day, and I was devastated. As anyone who has played EQ knows with only an hour you can't accomplish much. He pretty much forgot about this after a few weeks though and I was back playing as much as I could. I don't regret one minute of it either.
This reminds me of the portion of the 48 hours report featuring Ben Stein. You got off easy compared to his son...Ben Stein sent him to boarding school because he played video games too much! And Ben Stein was very proud of having done this.
You got off lucky. My dad just dominated the computer soloing his shawman to 65. I was stuck to the hour between getting home from school and when he got off work
@@nicknailer1749 Lol my wife hijacked her sons PS2 and copy of EQOA to play back in 03, good thing too or i wouldn't have met her. Then HER mom almost jacked it from her lol. "oh what's that game?" "GO AWAY MA!"
EverQuest had a way of pulling in people from all ages and demo's.
Those days were amazing, played EQ in 1999 and that feeling I can never ever get from any other game, truly was a unique feeling, hard to describe.
For sure!
I’ve been playing EverQuest recently and I can’t tell you how jealous I am of you all.
It’s very small community now. But thankfully alot of people who are willing to help. But I know it will never be the experience you all experienced
Even today it just feels like it has more love and care put into it despite all the issues and UI nightmare
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I spent 2 years burning through half a dozen jobs because IF a major raid or guild event was happening, I'd call off, if they said no...I'd just quit. I was definitely addicted but just snapped out of it one day. I don't regret my EQ days but wish I would have been more responsible about it.
I bet you remember every raid you ever did... don't remember the 2000 burgers you flipped, or shitty shopping carts you drug through the snow... or perhaps the construction work you did in 03. But that one raid man! THAT you still remember.
#Worthit
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What's interesting is that I've been a gamer my whole life, Started EQ when I was 8. EverQuest and Star Wars galaxies have been the only games that I could dedicate large sloths of time to. Even now I play FFXIV regularly but usually no longer than 2-3 hours at a time. I jumped on EQ for the first time in years about 5 days ago and I've probably put 30+ hours in with out even noticing and compared to the trash games we've had the past 10ish years, it felt like having a smoke for the first time months after quitting
Haha so true
This deserves more views. I was on a webtv enjoying a vampire MUD way back in like 97/98 lol. Good times.
I was definitely hooked on EQOA for a number of years. Online gaming in general had me hooked from the moment i got my modem, and logged into Socom US Navy Seals on PS2. It was a time i seriously miss because the friends and bonds, the times i shared with people were real, and i met my wife of 17 years in EQOA.
I can see the negatives no doubt, but for me it was mostly a positive and nothing can match that time. People are still looking for that new mmo to hook them like their first MMO of yore, typically 99-05 era, and i'm sorry but i don't think it's going to happen lol.
Lightning in a bottle i'm afraid.
As for the Devil in D&D and all that, there is some truth to that claim, but the Evangelical front always makes it into a strawman. Those games use legit occultic symbols of "power" as they call them. There really are legit Satanic images, signs and symbols in a lot of that stuff i'm afraid. It was put there to peak curiosity and provoke a deeper dive into the occult. Though most people do not know this, and would shout that claim down.
nice video! it's missing a blurb about Ben Stein's son lol
I'm really enjoying your videos. Well researched, great commentary. Thank you!
Great Everquest videos, keep them coming please
Great video, really enjoying your content! Keep it up!
bro you re so good at this, great one
EQ helped me not being depressed during 2 confinments and between 2020 and 2021.
With all the sanitary rules we had here in France it was "nothing but working", i was glad to have raids twices a week. After that I did not quit sport and working.
Also it helped me to quit smoking definitively.
But if you have something wrong in your life, please stop playing any video games.
Resolve your family or work issues because EQ will not help you ! The only thing you can lose by doing a pause is your n1 class position in a guild ... which is a useless medal that you are the only one to see and believe in.
I have a story of my deepest addiction experience with EverQuest. I had been keeping my eye on trying to camp this off hand wisdom book, and finally found a stretch of time to do it, the week where I got my wisdom teeth out. I’ll make the story shorter, but I spent 40 hours straight killing the same creature every 15 minutes and even talked my friend into coming online and watch the spawn so I could get much needed sleep without missing out on the possibility of the wisdom book dropping. When the book finally dropped, the sense of accomplishment at the time was a badge of honor, but the more I tell the story decades later, the more I realize the game was an insane addiction for me masquerading as a video game.
Yeah, but you had fun, and you have fond memories so it's not exactly time wasted. Life is more than just chasing shekels.
I've seen some people and families destroyed during my time on EQ and EQOA for the PS2. EQ wasn't the culprit, but it was the medium by which these things occurred. I saw some things play out that I didn't really understand when I was a 13 year old playing my dark elf shadowknight. Now that I'm an adult in my 30s I am slightly disturbed. Ultimately these issues are people issues, not video game issues.
Great video, keep up the great work!
When I quit Live I had over 2 years in Time Played on one Character, I had all the Slots filled and and it wasn't the highest level.
Oh man a new EQ video, thanks!
I don't know how anybody is addicted to gaming anymore. That natural progression of games getting worse and worse over years kinda kills the habit itself.
I think a lot of us are chasing that dragon still lol. Yeah i agree, gaming is not nearly as addictive because design decisions have made instant gratification make playing seem... moot.
scapegoats are always needed by the weak. That mother clearly wasnt dealing with signs of depression. Raise a child to take responsibility for their lives, to be mature. If you fail its the videogames fault - or the X, Y, or Z's fault. How much TV does that mother watch?
Raise a kid to know the Lord, the grace and mercy of the Lord and his moral compass will guide him. The Evangelical legalistic bs doesn't work, and it makes people rebel. I wish i knew the Lord when i was depressed for a decade and an anxious mess. People either raise their kids as atheists leaving them open to all manner of bs propaganda and noise.
Or they go hard nosed legalism on them and they grow up to resent them, and God.
@@EQOAnostalgia There are no Gods. And children dont need to fear the wrath or need the approval of a fantasy overlord, in order to have a moral compass. Quite the opposite. Your god commands genocide, endorses slavery, and the sacrifice of children. The judeo-christian-islamic God could only save his chosen people by turning himself into a mortal, suffering torture and death. And then commands you to worship him in a cannibalistic ritual of drinking his blood and eating his flesh. There is nothing good or moral about your god. He doesnt even exist.
Everquest is straight Crack. Was in 2000, p99 is just as bad today. Scratches an itch that nothing else does. It's sick. Now I return to my 2 hour corpse run from PoM to 3rd floor CoM
It is, but it's so fun isn't it? LOL! If EQOA ever comes back proper, i mean we have a server atm but it's barebones. If it ever comes back... goodbye modern gaming. Hello nostalgia heaven!
I was a victim of the MMO addiction panic
my mom saw it on the news and limited my time to like 90 minutes... I was like what can I do in 90 minutes lol
@@TheVigilantStewards Lucky bastard, my mom thought we'd start wearing diapers and play it until we'd drop dead. Even regular Warcraft was off-limits because Arthas "looked like he was on crack" lmao. Coped with Runescape
@@tardwrangler Hah, I remember my cousin played runescape and he had to run graphics on minimum because of his comp. He logged in on my computer and his words were - O M G THERE ARE ROOFS? ? ? I had a friend that always outlevelled me in EQ because he spend 5-6 hours a day on it compared to my 1-2 and sporadic play
There will never be any popular guide on the problems inherent in addiction to wealth.
Great video. I do agree with the creator of EverQuest, it is just a game.
I’ve tried to play EverQuest again recently. My addiction is gone and I care nothing for it anymore
Sounds like you need to try EQOA private server. 99% of you missed out on that train, and it was the evolution you wanted and didn't get from EQ2.
I’ve played almost every MMO and EverQuest definitely hit on a formula that is more addictive than the others. I recently tried again on Yelenik and it just sucks you in.
I think it’s the perfect pacing of rewards that isn’t too fast coupled with having to rely on community to play the game.
It grabs you though. That’s for sure.
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> 600 hours in EverQuest
Me, coming up on 600 _days_ 😬
"Playing MUDs on the Internet" sounds like a glorious time capsule of a book.
Everquest ...I wish would come back fuck wow
Hear, hear!
Asherons Call
I hear good things constantly.
Camped SMR in lower guk for 53 hours and lost the roll with 25 points mod to my roll.
Way to many real world lives ruined by mmo games. Careers lost, marriages destroyed
I hear ya, but that's also on them. You have to know when to turn it off and go to bed lol. I'd take that addiction again any day over todays modern day bs propaganda and SJW programming. It wasn't all that bad if you had SOME friggin impulse control.
It's not the games. It's the people. I played a LOT of EverQuest, yet I still went to work, paid my rent on time, etc. Played WoW - Same. Played Star Trek Online - Same.
Please come back lad
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@@computergamingyesterday nice!
Im addicting to car woman specific game
That damn newspaper article.. if it wasn’t for that article bashing it I never would have heard of Everquest. 😂😂😂
I’ve played it off and on now for years... even other mmos. I guess the article did its job lol
I'm sure the majority of people that played countless hours don't regret it one bit. It was so much fun. And I'm sure some of the advocates in those groups were just getting upset that they weren't getting as much attention anymore. Granted, if you can't take care of your kid that's a problem but otherwise let the people play their games!
I was only able to recover from gaming addiction by finding salvation... in pussy. I know this sounds like an edgy joke but I'm for real. I was 14 when Everquest came out and was instantly addicted. I didn't want to play hockey no more, I didn't wanna go to school, and basically all I did for like 3 years was play EQ. Sorry God, I'm sure religion works fine but a nice girl I knew from school saved me.
As an Atheist, and a nearly 40 year old fully disabled combat veteran I can most assuredly say…YOU MADE THE RIGHT DECISION!!! Pussy is WAY WAY BETTER THAN ANY GAME AND UNLIKE PRAYER, IT ACTUALLY WORKS AND HAS PROVEN RESULTS!!
These filthy casuals.... Still playing today 👍👍👍, EQ 4life
Camping mobs with a group of buddies will forever be better than grinding quests in a zone for 2 hours and then moving on to the next one, or running a dungeon at breakneck speed like a freakin ARPG never saying a word to one another... or bitching at raids over nerds who stare at DPS charts.
I have played eq sine beta 97 and i still play eq today. The addiction is real but only for people that would be addicted to other things if they didnt play games. Addiction are a danger to certain people and not a specific game. car. bike. plain, woman, actor or actress , the gym. certain food or beverage bla bla yada yada.Some people are more likely to get an addiction than other people period.
Luckily the cross has been picked up by feminists and SJW's, who now crusade relentlessly against video games. Lol. Long time EQ and MMO addict. Keep gaming folks!
my friend, i don't think that's a real thing. there's been no "crusade" against games for over a decade. gamergate and similar issues are about gamers, not games.
if you're talking about people complaining about white male protagonists for a couple years, that wasn't a crusade. while the movement had a blind spot for the fact that historically, games are made and played predominantly by white males, the consumer base has thoroughly diversified in the last 10-15 years and people were feeling left out
i personally much prefer our brave new world of functional armor and protagonists that don't look like me
@@StarCaptn So there was no uproar over Grand Theft Auto? People trying to claim it actually causes crime? Feminist Frequency wasn't a thing? No it's definitely still happening.
@@DEichenberg yeah, but it's all pretty mild and easy to avoid. no celebrity or mainstream news coverage, no developers defending games in court.
i don't feel it's worth mentioning, imo. the kind of people that make a life out of being a firebrand thrive on that struggle and ignoring them takes the wind out of their sails
@@StarCaptn Hello there fellow white man. Wouldn't it be so much better if we took that thing we like so much and gear it twords people who don't care about it at all
@@nicknailer1749 no, it'd be better if it was geared towards something more believable in general. i prefer my fantasy with minimal suspension of disbelief