I think it was a reference to Harvey Proctor. He was convicted in the 1980s for having sex with underage men. The age of consent for gay sex then was 21. Nowadays, the age has been equalised, and he would not have committed an offence.
@@zeddeka it is widely known that pedophilia is rampant among the political elite. I think his comment extends to all those engaged in pedophilia who have had thier necks saved by thier powerful friends to the detriment of thier victims all for the rather trivial excuse of saving political face. The public only ever finds out once the perpetrator dies. Case in point, Cyril Smith.
Yes, I heard that and I thought it was utterly extraordinary. To think such also so unremarkable to mention it almost in passing in a media interview. Incredible. That and the rampant sexism, really struck me.
What this says, with the full support of the various whips, is that the reports of endemic child abuse being covered up, which most of us thought was impossible, was the norm. The way they smile when mentioning the 'little black book' says it all. It seems that every whip is in on it. They must have known of the abuse of children, and other behaviour.
Harvey Yates I find it very telling that the second most likely thing for a Tory MP to need the whips to help cover up is 'scandals with small boys'. How did that comment fly under the radar? This documentary should have opened the VIP paedophile can of worms but no, business as usual even though we have Tim Fortescue on film admitting that Tory whips and MPs have covered up abusing underage boys. And really? Small kindnesses? Helping someone get away with abuse is a kindness in his view? Uuuuuuurgh.
yilesse Thanks for the reply. It would appear that this is not limited to the tories. labour were in on it and we all know about the liberal MP Smith who was allowed to continue with his offences, and offensive behaviour, despite it being well-known amongst his colleagues.
Oh yes, it's all of them, My comment was about Tories because it was a Tory whip, I didn't mean to imply only they were involved with the abuse. I just find it amazing that this was said explicitly said on film, presumably was broadcast on national television and nothing was done about it. It seems to have been treated the same as the 'rumours' about Jimmy Saville, everyone knew about them but no one lifted a finger to stop him. It makes me so angry.
The real point is there is only evidence the Tories organised it through their Whips office in Parliament. Fortesque's comment is most revealing in this matter.
I agree it's totally, utterly, unacceptable... but if this line of inquiry is headed towards "the establishment are a massive pedophile ring" then I'm out. The context comes nowhere near to excusing or mitigating child molestation, nor does it make it less of a scandal that such things go on, but the context does show that even (!) among politicians, this sort of admission would be impossible to make outside of the confidence of the whip's office. A low bar, I know, but as I said, I detest the fear-mongering populism that simplifies problems with the political culture to "they're a bunch of pedos!" What's more, we know that such things go on in virtually all institutions: the church, in schools, boy scouts and so on and so on.
of course, that's why your message was send from a Gulag, lol. it's got nothing to do with freedom of speech, which, contrary to the belief of a few nitwits, is not being repressed. access to media and the democratisation of it, or rather, the means by which voices are amplified and how the institutions that control that process are organised and controlled, is more to the point.
If a member found himself in the thick of a scandal involving small boys, the whip's office would 'help out'? So they would help to cover it up via various means, including blackmail? These disgusting pieces of shit think that a politician's reputation is more important than the safety of children. These are the people that make the laws that the rest of us are forced to follow.
It is all about keeping the good name of their party, nothing to do with the MP involved. The chief whip is tasked to ensure no public image of the party is tainted, and they will use whatever measure they can to ensure that happens. It is called politics. Sorry.
@@johnking5174 No-one has any business whatsoever covering up child sex abuse. The comments made in this film were later investigated by police, as the presenter explains in his recently published book.
@@simonzonenblick395 Child sex abuse has been covered up by churches, governments and celebrities for centuries. Just look at the catholic church for example. Should be no surprise to you, that these people have no sense of decency.
That is ironic at 57.00 with that comment about Norman Lamont by that whip David Lightbown "die in the grass", as Lightbown died at the end of that year.
Worse is how paedophilia was accepted and used as a bargaining tool. Even talking about it on TV and viewers didn't bat an eyelid. Savile was just the tip of the iceberg.
So this why Teresa May lost 114 pedophile files.....so truth is we do have pedovors & pedophiles work & walk in parliament..... trump has all the names of them....they are in the swamp he is draining 💩👿💩👿💩👿💩👿💩👿💩👿💩👿💩
I think the MP who said it thought it was some kind of joke. A very, very bad taste one. But it's interesting how we're much more conscious of these things these days.
I think democracy would work better if MPs would vote according to their own conscience, as opposed to the party policy. The whip makes damage, to my mind.
I’m afraid the only result would be hopeless instability; Whips keep their MPs adhering to party policy, without which a party would not be able to pursue the policies in its manifesto, making political parties virtually powerless. You could then argue that we should just have independent MPs, and while I think that would increase political awareness among the public by necessity, since we’d have to scrutinise our local MPs and their positions instead of broader left/right divisions, we’d have very little coherent strategy on international affairs, and MPs would just feed parasitically from short-term swings in public opinion. That’s my 10p, anyway you can make up your own mind
@@leserpentvert3364 yeah you're probably right. Also, individual politicians would rpobably not have enough funds to campaign successfully. Without the financial support from the party the only people who would be successful in politics would be the ones with already a lot of money, and that's not ideal.
Makes for sick reading and watching, they actually admit to their dealings, worst of all, it’s not them in charge, nor the government, it’s the Establishment, those whom are never spoken of.
@@leeskillman8713 👌🏻 when he walked in front of the queen - queenie it’s all over I know everything. .. 50 plus MPs have resigned since January 2022 ( they were told to by PT. )
Read up on him, he was one of a very few elected who actually hadn’t sold their soul to the Devil and who actually cared about people. He tried for his whole career to expose elite level pedophiles.
Its funny right at 00:24:00 he admits theyll get another MP "...out of trouble" for "...scandals involving small boys" Not like its news tonanybody just weird to hear them admit it.
Rotten to the core. Growing up you realise no one normal would want to be in politics it takes someone who thinks they have the right to rule over others and they're superior it makes sense a lot of them use vulnerable children as toys. Evil
After I watched the interviews with these abused children (before the videos were deleted) when the exposure of a paedophile ring in Hampshire, near London, was in action, about 10 years ago, and I learned about the weird ceremonies, and the way women were dressed, teaching these children how to "behave" when in the presence of lusty adult men, I felt sick to my stomach. I've even met 2 people who grew up in a Satanic cult family, with a father who was head of the gang. Their stories were heart breaking, and they managed to live on, far away from their family, in need of much healing. Now, on the first day of 2023, evidence of child abuse is disclosed so much more. Remember Prince Andrews? The American border near Mexico, is now open again, and child-and-drug trafficking has increased enormously. It's why President Trump planned to build that wall, you see? He's not involved in the dark shadowy world of an elite that allows itself certain privileges at the cost of others.
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I love these British political documentaries, thank you for posting!
24:00 - Did my hears deceive me? Did he really say that? "Small boys" - who was he hinting at here?
John King he did 🤭
I think it was a reference to Harvey Proctor. He was convicted in the 1980s for having sex with underage men. The age of consent for gay sex then was 21. Nowadays, the age has been equalised, and he would not have committed an offence.
@@zeddeka it is widely known that pedophilia is rampant among the political elite. I think his comment extends to all those engaged in pedophilia who have had thier necks saved by thier powerful friends to the detriment of thier victims all for the rather trivial excuse of saving political face. The public only ever finds out once the perpetrator dies. Case in point, Cyril Smith.
Yes, I heard that and I thought it was utterly extraordinary. To think such also so unremarkable to mention it almost in passing in a media interview. Incredible.
That and the rampant sexism, really struck me.
This stopped me in my tracks also. Scary stuff.
What this says, with the full support of the various whips, is that the reports of endemic child abuse being covered up, which most of us thought was impossible, was the norm. The way they smile when mentioning the 'little black book' says it all.
It seems that every whip is in on it. They must have known of the abuse of children, and other behaviour.
Harvey Yates I find it very telling that the second most likely thing for a Tory MP to need the whips to help cover up is 'scandals with small boys'. How did that comment fly under the radar? This documentary should have opened the VIP paedophile can of worms but no, business as usual even though we have Tim Fortescue on film admitting that Tory whips and MPs have covered up abusing underage boys. And really? Small kindnesses? Helping someone get away with abuse is a kindness in his view? Uuuuuuurgh.
yilesse Thanks for the reply. It would appear that this is not limited to the tories. labour were in on it and we all know about the liberal MP Smith who was allowed to continue with his offences, and offensive behaviour, despite it being well-known amongst his colleagues.
Oh yes, it's all of them, My comment was about Tories because it was a Tory whip, I didn't mean to imply only they were involved with the abuse. I just find it amazing that this was said explicitly said on film, presumably was broadcast on national television and nothing was done about it. It seems to have been treated the same as the 'rumours' about Jimmy Saville, everyone knew about them but no one lifted a finger to stop him. It makes me so angry.
The real point is there is only evidence the Tories organised it through their Whips office in Parliament. Fortesque's comment is most revealing in this matter.
I agree it's totally, utterly, unacceptable... but if this line of inquiry is headed towards "the establishment are a massive pedophile ring" then I'm out. The context comes nowhere near to excusing or mitigating child molestation, nor does it make it less of a scandal that such things go on, but the context does show that even (!) among politicians, this sort of admission would be impossible to make outside of the confidence of the whip's office. A low bar, I know, but as I said, I detest the fear-mongering populism that simplifies problems with the political culture to "they're a bunch of pedos!" What's more, we know that such things go on in virtually all institutions: the church, in schools, boy scouts and so on and so on.
an act of kindness is covering up a "scandal involving small boys"? keep in mind these people are repressing your freedom of speech.
of course, that's why your message was send from a Gulag, lol.
it's got nothing to do with freedom of speech, which, contrary to the belief of a few nitwits, is not being repressed. access to media and the democratisation of it, or rather, the means by which voices are amplified and how the institutions that control that process are organised and controlled, is more to the point.
I find it remarkable that Michael Cockrell can be, simultaneously, 'on the inside' and 'on the outside'.
Nice!
Just came here to see Geoffrey Dickens, MP. RIP Sir!
holy....
23:42
I know! Can't believe the interviewer didn't pursue that one!
This was 22 years ago! And they are still getting away with it to this day. Disgusting.
To. This. Day.
If a member found himself in the thick of a scandal involving small boys, the whip's office would 'help out'? So they would help to cover it up via various means, including blackmail? These disgusting pieces of shit think that a politician's reputation is more important than the safety of children. These are the people that make the laws that the rest of us are forced to follow.
It is all about keeping the good name of their party, nothing to do with the MP involved. The chief whip is tasked to ensure no public image of the party is tainted, and they will use whatever measure they can to ensure that happens. It is called politics. Sorry.
@@johnking5174 No-one has any business whatsoever covering up child sex abuse. The comments made in this film were later investigated by police, as the presenter explains in his recently published book.
@@simonzonenblick395 Child sex abuse has been covered up by churches, governments and celebrities for centuries. Just look at the catholic church for example. Should be no surprise to you, that these people have no sense of decency.
I'd forgotten about 16:27, still one of the funniest things over the years.
How is that funny?
Easy, @@simracer1256
That is ironic at 57.00 with that comment about Norman Lamont by that whip David Lightbown "die in the grass", as Lightbown died at the end of that year.
It's ridiculous how low the volume is. Can't RUclips ascertain when a video is uploaded if the volume is too low and boost the volume using software?
What? You realise people have different levels of hearing right?...
56:00 watch the woman on the left
23:46 whips have been blackmailing MPs since time immemorial
Worse is how paedophilia was accepted and used as a bargaining tool. Even talking about it on TV and viewers didn't bat an eyelid. Savile was just the tip of the iceberg.
Why wasn't that admission of paedophilia cover-up taken more seriously at the time? If that was said today it would be big news!
So this why Teresa May lost 114 pedophile files.....so truth is we do have pedovors & pedophiles work & walk in parliament..... trump has all the names of them....they are in the swamp he is draining 💩👿💩👿💩👿💩👿💩👿💩👿💩👿💩
I think the MP who said it thought it was some kind of joke. A very, very bad taste one. But it's interesting how we're much more conscious of these things these days.
Big admission 24:00 😫why wasn’t this followed up?
It was followed up.... until Teresa May...got her hands on the 114 pedophile files.....& conveniently lost them.💩👿💩👿💩👿💩👿
Why would it be followed up?
They all piss in the same pot.....
The corruption in this country goes deeper than the depths of the ocean.
BBC production should answer that
I think democracy would work better if MPs would vote according to their own conscience, as opposed to the party policy. The whip makes damage, to my mind.
I’m afraid the only result would be hopeless instability; Whips keep their MPs adhering to party policy, without which a party would not be able to pursue the policies in its manifesto, making political parties virtually powerless. You could then argue that we should just have independent MPs, and while I think that would increase political awareness among the public by necessity, since we’d have to scrutinise our local MPs and their positions instead of broader left/right divisions, we’d have very little coherent strategy on international affairs, and MPs would just feed parasitically from short-term swings in public opinion. That’s my 10p, anyway you can make up your own mind
@@leserpentvert3364 yeah you're probably right. Also, individual politicians would rpobably not have enough funds to campaign successfully. Without the financial support from the party the only people who would be successful in politics would be the ones with already a lot of money, and that's not ideal.
@@martonk that’s also true
Makes for sick reading and watching, they actually admit to their dealings, worst of all, it’s not them in charge, nor the government, it’s the Establishment, those whom are never spoken of.
very interesting indeed
This lot need to go. Time for direct democracy.We have the technology to do it.
Trump has all of the names... he will name them in the swamp draining 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
@@leeskillman8713 trumpensyien has done NOTHING
@@leeskillman8713 👌🏻 when he walked in front of the queen - queenie it’s all over I know everything. .. 50 plus MPs have resigned since January 2022 ( they were told to by PT. )
sadly this makes these people come across as human beings
Geoffrey Dickens is an interesting fellow.
Read up on him, he was one of a very few elected who actually hadn’t sold their soul to the Devil and who actually cared about people. He tried for his whole career to expose elite level pedophiles.
As distasteful as much of this documentary is, one does appreciate the backhanded admiration of "He's a great big ugly fella."
Just can't help but wonder how many of these were buggering boys in The Groucho.
Whoa look who who that is leaning forward at 32.32....Alan Howarth.....who defected to the Labour party in the October of that year.
Its funny right at 00:24:00 he admits theyll get another MP "...out of trouble"
for "...scandals involving small boys" Not like its news tonanybody just weird to hear them admit it.
Rotten to the core. Growing up you realise no one normal would want to be in politics it takes someone who thinks they have the right to rule over others and they're superior it makes sense a lot of them use vulnerable children as toys. Evil
Guy at 38:35 has an urgent washing machine sales appointment.
SO THEY ARE BRAKING THE LAW BY BLACK MAILING PEOPLE ( ;
After I watched the interviews with these abused children (before the videos were deleted) when the exposure of a paedophile ring in Hampshire, near London, was in action, about 10 years ago, and I learned about the weird ceremonies, and the way women were dressed, teaching these children how to "behave" when in the presence of lusty adult men, I felt sick to my stomach.
I've even met 2 people who grew up in a Satanic cult family, with a father who was head of the gang. Their stories were heart breaking, and they managed to live on, far away from their family, in need of much healing.
Now, on the first day of 2023, evidence of child abuse is disclosed so much more. Remember Prince Andrews? The American border near Mexico, is now open again, and child-and-drug trafficking has increased enormously. It's why President Trump planned to build that wall, you see? He's not involved in the dark shadowy world of an elite that allows itself certain privileges at the cost of others.
God Jesus..
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It's all a conspiracy