Dark Season 3 | 25 Unanswered Questions | Netflix
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- Having really enjoyed DARK Season 3, Anthony has a go at answering some of the unanswered questions as well as giving his opinion of people's mentalities around mystery shows.
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When Jonas and Martha appeared in the middle of the road at the end and caused the car to swirl, I almost thought they caused the accident that started it all!
Me too !! I was like aahh shit, here we go again 😂
Me too! I kept waiting for something bad to happen there!
I think that was the idea behind Shrodinger's cat symbolism.
that would make a good ending without ending.. lol
Same here
Tanhauss saved his son and he'd never know it.
That's the beauty of DARK.
So Stammhaus saved his son in the end😊
All of this just Happend By him trying to get his son back.
Yeah i think so too, and it adds to this wonderfull conclusive end. We just might dont know about time travel because it resolves it self when happening.
Darks Storyline: a drop
Torbin’s Eye: the ocean
Ein Ozean🤗
On Q4.
Regina's hotel, Waldhotel Winden, is the old Doppler family estate.
A hint from the start of her parentage. Maybe he left it to her in his will.
Excellent point. Thank you so much for telling me this!
Great catch. Didnt realize that
Yeah and he also makes here his succesor for leading the powerplant. I always wondered why he would choose here.
@@thecaveofculture I have a question. Adam might have learnt from martha that jonas was killed in Eva's world when she was with sic mundas. Why doesn't he question himself that how can jonas be killed if he already exists as he doesn't know quantam entanglement at that moment. He goes on to kill martha without realising this.
@@thecaveofculture What if the director is planning a series called "DARK : Origin" that would be nice ahahha. a never ending loop
I hope that they DON'T try to make an American version of this show. It was close to perfect. The best piece of media of its kind.
So I'm American and I watch the English dub. I got to say this show is just another example of anti Hollywood that is the future entertainment
There's nothing wrong with another country remaking something the problem is when they take an ad agendas politics and propaganda
@@kreaturekie6753 there is nothing wrong with a remake agreed, but is a remake needed? absolutely no, the cast, the acting, the story telling and the plot were perfect.. remakes are only needed for shows that had great potential but failed to capitalize off the idea or for really old shows cuz nostalgia
Now pay attention
Dark was translated in a way that for someone who doesn't like subtitles I was able to view it understand it and enjoy it
I would love for everyone to enjoy dark
if I have to read a movie it ceases to be a movie.
If you want an audience to enjoy your film you're going to make it available for them to enjoy it
You are not the center of the universe you are not the only one people want to please
The last time I checked there are more people on this planet than I can personally count I would love for everyone to enjoy dark
@@tom-66 couldn't agree more
"The Unknown" (a.k.a. The Origin, son of Jonas and alt-Martha) is the one who wrote letter sent to Clausen. Check out the scene where he kills Gustav Tannhaus: before the murder, his speech - it's the exact same text as in the letter. "He that has eyes to see and ears to hear may convince himself that no mortal can keep a secret..." etc.
Yes, he made him come to Winden and investigate the case so that the apocalypse could happen
I wondered where i heard the line
Thanks for this one answer😅
Hey man thanks for the answer
You should embed spoiler alert
the ending was beautiful, i love that u point out the woman in the lake.
It's so tragic that Magnus and Martha swim in a lake where unbeknownst to them their mother's dead body was thrown into.
@@mistygoodeday5455 Her future mother in the past.
Season 1 is good, season 2 is much better, season 3 is MEH, its not complicated, its not smart and certainly not shocking, by the second episode of season 3, i dont even care what will happend next, and im still feel let down.
Will there be another series? It feels theres still more to the story and so many unanswered questions? Especially around Woller, Hannah, Magnus and his girlfriend that I’ve just forgot name or and Peter, I feel like the ones at having dinner at the end have something more to do with it, like someone must’ve told Martha about the 3rd world lol. Also Hannah reaction to the yellow jacket was the same as Jonas’s dad to the jacket.
Moral of the story is that if your family dies in a car crash. Mess with science and someone will fix it.
I'm already floored by Q#1. All I can say is, kudos to Katherina's compassion and integrity as a parent given that she came from an abusive household.
It’s heartbreaking! Thanks for watching.
Hannah thinks Katharina has it all and always remained jealous of her from the childhood. and then we see the truth of how she's abused at home, and his husband cheated on him, lost her son and in the end she gets killed by her own mother. it's ironic. and her life is truly a tragedy.
@@SleepIntoTheDiamondLife not in the origin world. so that's a consolation i guess.
She was my favorite!
the only thing I would have liked is to see more of Agnes, I was disappointed that she wasn't a bigger part but still
I agree, I love Agnes and her great great granny pleasuring ways!
Arun not a lover of stories are you? Haha. She needed to get it on with her granny to drive Egon away from the relationship so that he could have silja with Hannah. Thanks for watching!
I just realized the fact that Doris Tiedemann is both grandma and great great grandma of Agnes. 😂
@@thecaveofculture It was really heartbreaking to see Doris crying while remembering Agnes grasping her yellow coat, because she missed her so much
shiva bhushan narani how??
Episode 1 season 1 , jonas facing his father covered in black liquid, Episode 1 season 3 , in the alternative world martha facing her self coverd in black liquid in the same way jonas did , never got to know what these two scenes meant
That represents death.
Mikkel killed himself and Adam killed Martha in order to destroy the knot between two worlds.
I think they see the liquid covered version when another version of the character dies, in a different time/world
I think, it represents the sullying your soul that of time travel makes you, and metaphorically foreshadows time travel, as the black liquid is what the cesium God Particle looks like
The colour of the liquid is black,which is DARK colour. It's an interpretation of the name DARK
I think it's symbolic of the damage that time travel did to the people. Jonas is haunted by Mikkel, who died because of time travel (when Jonas traveled to try and stop him,) and Alt-Martha is haunted by our Martha, who also died bc of time travel (Adam traveling to kill her.) Martha is holding out her hand to her alt-self, however, calling her to our world, maybe? Or calling her towards death, telling her to destroy the loop? Idk.
I would like for someone to put dark in chronological order, for example: start with clips from 1888 and end with everyone disappearing
Someone did.
It all starts earlier than that.
Check out Pete Peppers channel. I'll send link. He has, at least, 3 timeline videos🤓💜
Can't put link, but the chronological vids are on Heavy Spoilers😍✌
I'm working on Dark vids for my channel. I could have put link. Duh. I was thinking about live chats for some reason🤓ruclips.net/video/Nqm0FZ72MTo/видео.html here is a link to a Chronological Video
clausen received in 2020 which tells him about his missing brother..
That latter was sent by the nameless (son of eva)Because he repeat the same lines ..He has that eyes to see ears to hear..
That lines were on letter too.
Awesome! yeah as I say in the video I was pretty sure is was a follower of Eva or Adam. I actually noticed him quoting freud as well!
That's right....
yep and he got it from the blind man, tanhaus's grandfather
The one question I really wanted to see addressed was what was the point of Noah testing the time machine in S1, when they already had working time devices of various kinds at Sic Mundus. It doesn't make sense to invent and test a machine that they already know how it works and have designs for. But there is an explanation, I just wish they had included it. Something along these lines MUST have happened for the evolution of the machine to make sense. My head canon scene goes like this:
THE SCENE I WANTED TO SEE: Flashback around 1890, Stranger Jonas has hit a wall trying to recreate his own working time machine, because without dark matter, he can't power it without using the caves' energy. He is surprised to see adult Noah come in. Noah gives him the research he's done in the bunker and the plans for the first successfully working time machine (the improved chair that sends Helge back). Noah tells the Stranger that three boys had to die in order to do the experiments, but it paid off and you can use this design to finally start perfecting your own time machine. The Stranger realizes he has to trust Noah, accepts this, and is one of the first moral compromises he makes on his journey to become Adam. Suspiciously, he then asks Noah who sent him. Noah replies - 'you did'. Later Noah returns to Adam around 1920, and says 'it is done'.
This would have given the needed payoff of all the kidnappings and experiments / in season 1, which were barely alluded to in season 2, and would have shown how the Stranger makes ethical compromises to become so cold and heartless (something else I thought was missing).
That would have been cool. I also think the kidnappings had to happen to force people on to the correct paths. Eryk has to go missing to make Alexander move the barrels into the truck and eventually burying them in concrete as he wanted to keep them secret. Mads needed to go missing to ensure Ulrich became a police officer as well as ensure tronte helped out katharina. Yasin.....maybe Noah was jealous of the attention he got from Elizabeth lol
@@thecaveofculture I think the above explanation makes a lot of sense. I guess, things could change and nobody cared. The only thing which keeps loop continuous is the overview of Adam and Eva, who ensure that even if things changed, people's lives make complete cycles to gain stability of their present self. It's their persistent efforts which make the knot entact. That maybe the reason Claudia, didn't reveal herself till the very end, cause otherwise any change by her would have been met by counter actions from Adam and Eva as both in their oldest self are quite sure, that they need to make things entact. Finally, when realisation dawns upon Adam, he would listen to her and change things.
As the chair was the origin of time travel and so still had to be created, if the chair wasn’t made then they wouldn’t have an understanding to make the portable device.
@@thecaveofculture well if it was kidnapping that was the point, then why did they have to be strapped to a chair and be tested for time travel? Couldn't they just be killed and sent to whichever times they needed to be sent to?
Exactly that confuses me the most. Why did Noah and Helge kidnapp the kids and TEST time machine with them? When the real purpose of Noah was to find his daughter not to create the time machine, cause they already have multiple time machines. And why it had to bo 33 years between the two dissapearences (of Ulich brother Mads and the other kid who was selling drugs)...
And when young Helge went missing for 6 months, who had him, and why had him for 6 month and then relise him?
Great series, i just dont think, that this kidnapps are well structured in the story...
I think Katharina's name was in Helenes head like a deja vu, it somehow happend to her, like a message from beyond, or however Its translated. We know people can remember thinks from the other worlds, like Hannah remembering the jacket.
True! Maybe! But Katharina was already born in the origin world before the prime and alt worlds were even created in 1986
I wish everyone could watch dark and understand why prolonging shows for money is never a good idea. *cough* Lost *cough*
I think Ines said her baby died shortly after birth. Which makes it even more understandable why she was so desperate to have a son to replace her dead son.
The greatest unanswered question now: what was question 14?? There HAS to be meaning to this as to why it was cut out....let the theories begin
This guy gets it lol
Anthony James also check out my black and white photo confirming I am indeed from the past 😂
@@thecaveofculture still share us question 14..
Vishwak Senan you’ll have to wait for season 4.
Question 14 was "No but seriously, what happened to Woller's eye?" and the answer was the actual answer.
I think I would have loved a ending montage which showed rest of the characters disappearing as well. Magnus and Fransiska kissing as they dissapeared. Agnes and Dorris together. Bartoshz and Silia too. Ulrich smiling in the old age home as he dissapeared. Noah with Elasibeth and baby Charlotte holding each other as they disappear. That would be perfect.
I agree that would have been great!
Thanks for watching!
@@thecaveofculture This was the first time I watched your video. It was great work. Keep it up.❤❤❤
I dont know it was pretty perfect as it was.
Fun fact, Leopold Hornung, the actor who played Torben had an accident shortly before Dark was filmed, that forced him to have his eye covered, the producers just went along with it and even made him wear those special glasses in the second season...
Bermuda triangle: I am the biggest secret in the world
Woller's eye : Hold my eyepatch
I think the writers meant to develop some story lines more along the way, like Agnes' and boris's, but due to the limited number of hours in the last season, they just abandoned them.
Momento Mori I'm given the feeling some things were left on the cutting room floor, too. This was a near-perfection season but I thought it could benefit from a few extra episodes as room to just breathe and explore new concepts a little more.
@@goldvondensternen totally
yeah, one or two morre episodes. I agree
The only thing that i would have liked to see, is how Jana steals Tronte from Claudia.
Me too. But Egon prob forbids her from seeing him knowing Trontes mother prob ran off with his wife.
I don't think she does, ever.
It's just a guess, but as I see it, Tronte doesn't really want Claudia. He's really interesting in Jana, in love with her. For the scene at the lake when he gives her the bracelet, to the scene after Mads funeral, where he makes his decision for Jana.
Tronte would chose Jana... but as we have seen, it was Claudia who chose Tronte. Tronte simply cannot resist her. Claudia listened to what Bernd Doppler told her: if you want something, take it.
A minute silence to the people who thought it was Hannah who died in the lake after watching the trailer...
A question I have is who the hell created the machine that allowed Martha to travel through worlds. Tannhaus?
I also want to know who actually designed the machines.
Tannhaus just built the first machine, he didn't design it... he absolutely couldn't have because it required technology that didn't exist.
Same with the Orb... so did Adam and Eva design them? That would make sense to me.
Adam spent decades designing and building his bunker machine, and knew the plant machinery inside and out, and his plans revolved around the 33year cycles. I absolutely believe he was capable of designing the box.
Eva is more mysterious but seems to be more technologically advanced and always one step ahead of Adam and so I could see her taking his box and refining it and making it better. Her plan was a scalpel and Adam's was a hammer. Hers required precision and exact timing, so she designed her device to travel to any exact moment.
Adam was more of a sledgehammer and relied on big things; public deaths, murders, moving people through time... etc. He only needed that 33yr gap.
So, my theory is that Adam designed the box and claudia stole the design or maybe Agnes gave her the blueprint and she had Tannhaus make the device. I think a bootstrap paradox allowed claudia to use an orb to bring a box to alt world where Eva was able to study it and design the orb. Timey wimey paradox. Because Adam started with a big machine the size of a room, his invention became the box, because Eva started with the box her invention became the Orb.
I think the creater of time machine which maratha uses is infact created by Adam and Sic Mundus. I have a theory on this hope you like it.
24 September 1888: - Middle aged Jonas is stuck in 1888 with his friends and visited by Alt Marath. He thinks alt Maratha lied to him through letter and he was unable to save his Maratha .
After alt-Maratha escapes and leave Middle Aged Jonas and friends, he concludes that it is Alt Maratha reason for all his suffering.
By this time he has seen the golden Round Machine. By the next 23 years he is able to create all following three means of time travel on his own
1)The suit case kind of time Machine
2)The Round Golden Time Machine
3)The big Dark matter portal.
So this would explain how he transported young Silija from 1911 to somewhere after 2040.
The Sic Mudannce create many orbs in future for example
Orb which is used by Adult Magnus and Adult Franziska to save Alt Marath.
One version of Alt Maratha to save Jonas from 2020 Apocalypse.
As Eva knows that Adam has prepared Round Time Machine she sends her son to retrieve plan structure of both time machine. The suitcase plane is given to claudia which in turn would be passed to H G Tannhus and Eva uses Round time Machine plan to make multiple devices in her own for her followers.
Alt HG Tannhaus could be the one behind the invention of Golden time-travel sphere
The new trio of Alt-Marthas son has that harelip.....in some scenes it appears to be on the right, in others on the left side of the faces. I got that mirroring was used in some instances to have a visual distinction between world 1 and world 2.......but since the trio are just born in one world, shouldn’t be the harelip be always on the same side? ......and another thing I noticed....did anybody ever asked why , when the trio went to sabotage the nuclear power plant, the young one went with the old one, and the middle one went alone?.....my guess is that the young one learns how to do it from the old one. Because the old one knows how to do it, because he did it as the middle one, who knew how, because he watched the old one do it.....another nice little bootstrap paradox....
the trio travels between the two worlds to ensure the timeline, that's why sometimes he's flipped. and cool theory btw!
It's not just the world that is flipped, characters are also flipped between worlds. Their left side becomes their right side. When the unkown travel between worlds space is flipped and so are they themselves.
you can see it with alt-marthas cut too
OMG Eva not noticing Claudias eyes swapped makes sense now
So is Martha's scar, it flips left and right.
i think there is a lot of joy in the right amount of speculation and i truly applaud dark for being able to balance pay-off with mystery so consistently, in such a way that i feel it makes the show grounded in reality but also mysterious and thoughtful. it's not easy to end any show, but i think the fact they were able to conclude the show so concisely and effectively, speaks volumes to their abilities as writers and creators. thanks for all your videos on this series, i've really enjoyed watching them all and i am waiting in anticipation for your full review.
Dark is and will still be in 33 years my favourite show! I love season 3 with all my heart. The only thing is, I wish they had explained a little more of the events that happened in the alt world. Because some of it feels like it was forced just to fit with Jonas' world. Like... When the main Hannah goes to the past and finds Egon, it's a result of character development, and her reacting to the previous events. But in alt world, Egon comes and takes her back to the past for her to meet him?
That doesn't really make much sense.
Another example of this is how Ulrich tried to kill Helge. It made sense in the main universe because he has just lost his son, and he thinks it's the only way to get him back. But in the alt-universe, he has lost his brother for 33 years, so it doesn't really justify him killing Helge.
But these are nitpicks. I think the finale was brilliant, and I honestly didn't see how they could pull it off, but they did without breaking every rules that they had previously established.
Brilliant show ! :)
You can also say no man in their right mind would be cheating with Charlotte
It does justify killing him
True. The alt world lacks credibility and seems more like an in-joke.
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Dark is the best show ever never believe anything else
I appreciate you using the German pronounciation of their names.
And I like your answers.
Thank you! In my belief someone's name only has one pronunciation. The one the person with the name chooses. A name can not be translated like a normal word.
I think that due to the fact that child Noah saw his mother die, he was very susceptible for Adam and his vision of a paradise where "there is no pain and all the dead are alive". That's why he was very early easy to be manipulated by Adam and therefore Noah was later even capable to kill his own dad in favor of Sic Mundus 🤷🏼♀️
At least that's how I explain it to myself 🙃
Also, Noah and Jonas spent 33 years together as friends in post apocalypse world 1. I'm sure young Noah gave Jonas all the information he needed to make him a fanatic, bootstrap paradox style.
One of the best breakdowns of the "unanswered" questions that I've seen. Thank you
Thanks Brent. I know there were way more but I wanted to get it up as soon as possible!
No one is explaining how Claudia really Figured out about the origin world. They are simply just Quoting whatever in on the Website or Whatever is said in the series.
So here is My interpretation for "how Claudia got to know about origin world".
Claudia Visits both worlds after killing alt Claudia. In every loop, she learned from her mistakes. She taught her younger self about everything in that loop and how she could try doing some things differently. The loop may have repeated a million times. Claudia 1 taught Claudia 2, Claudia 2 taught Claudia 3, ..... Claudia X-1 taught Claudia X. finally after many Trials and Errors In many loops Claudia X understood everything that's happening and came to the conclusion that a third world must exist where H.G. Tannhaus must have an accident with his time machine.
So at some point during the apocalypse, she was successful in sending one version of her to get killed by Noah and another one lived long enough to tell Adam Everything.
I agree. This is my interpretation too.
That's only part of it. Claudia figured out there was an origin world because she did everything right in both worlds and Regina still died from cancer. Claudia whole motive throughout was to save Regina.
There is a scene where she walks on to the police station after the apocalypse and the radio mentions that the world stood still for a nanosecond on june 27th. Maybe thats how...😀
it's actually a bit more than that.... you see claudia told that you can't change almost anything as its your fate.... that almost is the thing.
so if she changes like a letter in a novel (analogy) then no one will notice... nd neither will it change the meaning of the story.... but take it over centuries.... then those one letter changes will sum up to change the whole story bit by bit and that's what claudia did.
she moved pieces in such a manner that the actions seemed futile....such minor changes that no one will even care abt
but in the long run that changed everything
Her dead body did measure high levels of radiation, she probably did the most time traveling of them all
I think it's heavily hinted that the letter to Clausen was sent by The Unknown. It contains the same Freud quote that he recites when murdering old tannhaus in the carriage.
Here's my two cents of understanding to it. Tanhaus also has two realities in his deterministic world (original/ thirld world as we see in the final series). Tanhaus creates the time machine, which leads to apocalypse in his world and eventual formations of the two different worlds. Hence the apocalypse is bound to happen in all the dimensions. Reality is the same afterall in parallel universes/ multiverse theory. Just that in original world of Tanhaus' there was no power plant (refer the last scene where Jonas and Martha meet, the background, no power plant), which makes sense because the power plant bid was forcefully made to be worked in both worlds by the unknown (son of J+M). So apocalypse in Adam and Eva's world is because of nuclear power plant and in Tanhuas' world is by making the time machine.
In each of the two other worlds Adam and Eva fight for their separate reasons to keep their world alive/ return to normalcy. So the possible relaity in Tanhaus' world are: Jonas and Martha saves Tanhaus' family from the car crash and one where they don't and evantual apocalypse (Schrödinger's cat thought experiment). So this can also be an indefinite loop of sorts. Wherein his family dies, he makes the machine, Jonas and Martha comes and saves his family (in one) and where all the fuckedup shit goes on (in the other): The casual loop paradox and Grandfather paradox of time travel where every cause has an action.
Jonas and Martha can come to Tanhaus' world (Schrödinger's cat experiment) because they are observers (who can open the box to see whether the cat is dead or alive), as in they are not yet born in Tanhuas' world (as you rightly say they are the glitches in matrix of time). Hence they come, save the car crash but then dissipate within time because they don't belong to that world yet, just like all other characters which weren't shown on dinner table (as they were made of incest/ otherwise due to endless loop of time travel).
Also Tanhuas' must have had made the machine because that's what lead to him writing the book on time. This book was taken by members in both Eva and Adam's world (we see middle aged Jonas and older Claudia handing the book to Tanhaus in seasons 1 and 2, in Adam's world and most probably Claudia did so in Eve's world as well). Hence the book was there in the two other world where they use their respective version of Tanhuas to make the machines in their respective worlds (bootstrap paradox: wherein Tanhaus in both Eve and Adam's world makes the machine without ever having knowledge of it, basically frauding it as the blueprint was handed to him). Although in Tanhuas' original reality (where his family is saved as per his motivation), he does save his family by inventing the time machine but he would have no idea of it courtesy the glitches (Jonas and Martha).
But does Jonas and Martha live ever in any world? Maybe. Maybe not. The version of each other they see while inside the time travel loop is from their own respective worlds, which may or may not exist depending on them preventing/ not preventing the car accident. Martha was born to Ulrich and Katarina. Ulrich won't exist further because he was born out of incest/ time travel characters whambam. Pregnant Hannah in season finale (Tanhuas' world) wants to name her baby Jonas but maybe it's different Jonas (not sure). Katarina and Hannah both exist. So if Hannnah maybe give birth to a Jonas then *maybe* a Martha will be born too. Even Jonas said so afterall in ending scenes. Haha. The dialouge that steals my heart "you and I are perfect for each other, never forget that". Also I would like to believe in Tanhaus' dimension a baby Martha is also to be born because only those could enter this dimension who weren't part of the system. So if Jonas could travel and is to be born (although originally his father was Mikkel/ Michael), then maybe Martha too (although her original father was Ulrich), as both their moms are still very much alive and not part of the system. Well what we know is all worlds are bound to same fate no matter what. It may happen sooner or later but it shall happen, the course of time is set. In Adam and Eva's world a lot of characters born out of time travel incest were probably born earlier than they should have, so although if not in final scene, will be born later for sure. Hence the belief, Jonas was anyways to be born in original course and so will Martha but just not out of time travel incest. If they are born at an age where they can romance will be a mystery. Although because of all the fuckedupnes that has happened the deja-vu shall remain for both of them! As per me gene composition has nothing to do with romancing/ finding your partner.
In the end: What is time? Who are we? Who am I? Am I alive or just a matter floating in space? Questions I may think while I dream! But then snap.. I wake up or do I? Is it still a dream or is this an illusion?
I didn't read the entire thing because my tiny brain wouldn't understand shit. But I did read half of it and that totally makes sense. The two realities thing of jonas and martha saving the couple and not saving them side by side thing occured to me too and I'm glad there are others who think that as well.
Questions I still have
1. How did Claudia figure out that Regina will live in another time?
2. Why was the body of Charlotte(daughter of Marek and Sonja) missing? Where did it go?
for 1. because she figures out who's a product of time travel and who isn't. she figures out regina is born of another father, not tronte. the nuclear disaster doesn't happen near regina and claudia, so regina doesn't get cancer. tronte doesn't mistake regina for his daughter so he doesn't murder her. I don't know for 2. some people theorize she's the dead wife of heinrich tannhaus who wanted to bring his wife Charlotte back from the dead
They spent 25 episodes showing lack of free will and determinism. And in the last episode boom the loop can be broken.
And then they added that tunnel scene to create ambiguity. Why does older self of Jonas and Martha remembers seeing someone when they were child. This clearly tells us that this has happened before.
While one might argue they kind of went to the past (through the tunnel) and when returned they now have memories of seeing someone as they already changed the past. But this directly contradicts with the rules they have set.
Also the Ending is a clear violation of the Grandfather paradox. Which can only be solved by alternate timelines or Quatanum Superposition of Universes which I think is the most suitable ending.
Thank you for writing that! I thought i was the only one that thought that the ending was a violation ^^
I think the tunnel scene is more akin to what happens in Interstellar. Jonas and Martha are beyond space and time (somehow) and can therefore influence past events. That is what they use to save the Tannhaus Family.
@@NinaFelwitch First of all it's an interpretation that the tunnel is independent of space and time.
Secondly, it doesn't matter that's also a loop and paradox even in the Interstaller.
That's why it has to happen all the time so that origin world can exist.
I think the tunnel scene is what creates a sort of deja vu for both of them which leads to them being attracted to each other? Just something I came up with now.
There was a scene where Jonas couldn't kill himself because his older self exists. The same logic should apply in the origin world as well right? As the parallel world already exists Jonas and Martha ( characters in the parallel world) cannot impact their own existence by preventing the death of HG Tannhaus's son
My own thought here is that everything we saw in the alt and prime worlds was the calculations of time to fix the past after HG Tannhaus turned on his machine. It was all predetermined to work that way. Tannhaus succeeded.
Claudia told adam that in the original world you can change the past, but in the alt other worlds you cannot... idk why, an endless loop maybe??
@@jonascherif2097 I don't think, that it is necessarily an endless loop. - It was always meant to be exaclty like this. When origin Tannhaus started the machine, he instantly created the whole for Jonas and Martha - the end of this world is also the beginning of the world where Marek and his family never died.
So when Tannhaus destroyed the prime world he technically just destroyed the time between the death of Marek and the activation of the machine.
Actually when you travel to another world during the apocalypse, the time gets paused for you. And Eve has been using this loophole to preserve the sphere. Point to be noted, you can only travel between worlds during the apocalypse or in the presence of Higg's Field. So when Origin trio or anyone else travels between worlds, the time gets paused for them. Same is for Jonas and Martha in the final episode. When they traveled during the apocalypse, the time gets paused anything minor they do won't change anything. The time was also stopped when they were traveling to the Origin world together and it was still paused when they were in the Origin world. The major change was the prevention of the accident. It was such a major event change that whenever the time will be resumed, both worlds will cease to exist. Therefore, as soon as the accident was prevented and they Marek and Sonja returned home, Jonas and Martha disappeared inspite of the existence of their older selves. Hope you understand.
This is the grandfather paradox. You cannot go back and kill your grandfather because then you wouldn’t exist and hence you can’t go back and kill your grandfather. It negates the presence of time travel. So there is a world that already has time travel then maybe there’s a way to bypass the paradox?!
Anyway research already has an explanation for this paradox. The solution is that due to quantum superposition there’s half a probability that you kill your grandfather, and half where you don’t. Maybe the makers went with the probability where you can kill your grandfather, here of course the grandfather is the invention of time travel .
Question 17: It`s the Unknown from Eva. He quotes in a scene the exact words from the Letter Clausen got and the reason he went to Winden.
Great point! Thanks for this!
Time stood still for a split SECOND. Yeah that makes sense.
Fla dek just like time travel makes sense bud lol ;)
This series was the best ever Netflix series.
Each moment it tought us not to expect but just HOPE.
Q6: And still would have liked for Regina and Aleksander / Boris to have ended up together in the Origin World. They were the only couple of the whole series that treated one another with love and kindness.
Q19: And let's not forget that Claudia knows all she knows because she's the only one smart enough to not lie to and manipulate her younger self. Both Adam and Eve repeat time and time again that it took them 66 years to understand. Claudia had a lot more time because unlike them, she allowed herself to learn :)
Q24: That's an interesting take on Agnes!! I sort of was half hoping that she would just chill and look up Doris, mostly because Claudia tells her something like "my mother really loves you, she would make you really happy" or something like that. And because she would deserve it after being married to the creepy trio!! But i certainly don't think that's what Adam had in mind when he sends her off, so it's a cool theory!!
I still have one question, which is from when did Hannah travel with Silja? Can't remember the exact year she arrives in, but it has to be in the 1910s. There's no 33 year period that can match, since she got pregnant in 1954, Silja looks about 5 (give or take a couple). Maybe Eva actually took her there? I also have trouble figuring out how Egon get to 2052 in the alt world.
I like your take on the whole issue of constantly asking for answers about things that were placed there either to lead in a different direction or to build character. There's one thing I wish they had developed more, which is what happened between Ines and Hannah after Michael killed himself. We saw that torn picture so many times!
I didn't understand that 'Where Agnes went' theory... Can u please explain?
Eva has the orb, which breaks the 33 year rule (a shame really, took the most interesting quirk the time travel in THIS series had. Also makes you think why even have the 3 versions of the Unknown that look aroung 33 years apart). It's quite easy for her to "move her pieces" into any position she needs them to be.
@@anshabee : Well, last time we see Agnes, Adam sends her to travel to some time and says something like "you know what you have to do" (something like that). But we never see her again, and this is very close to the end of the series and every scene that we've seen Agnes happened before in her life. What @Anthony James suggests is that after that last time we see her is when she actually has Tronte. So she has him, probably leaves him at a foster care place, and then her younger self picks him up from there and that's the Agnes we meet when she arrives in Winden with Tronte.
I would add Noah/Elisabeth as another loving couple in thus show, though both of them don't exist in the origin world. I love how everytime she asks him about the paradise, Noah still answer the same way for years.
For how Hannah found Jonas in 1911, she did say in the show that it was Eve that appeared at their doorstep.
If Jonas and Martha never travelled to the origin world before, how could their younger versions (kid Martha and kid Jonas) see thier older versions in closet or basement?
Damn
well kid version of them never actually saw it because they don't even exist, right? because everything that we saw happened and also didn't happen lol
thats pretty good answer because jonas confront with martha and she said...wait you were the guy in the closet.
About the Noah question how he ended up in 1920..We know that in 2053 when Jonas was trying to use the black matter machine he accidentally end up in 1921 so maybe Noah also accidentally ended up in 1920 and then he realized what to do Becoz he saw his younger self.
@Arun he traveled through the machine that Claudia fixed inside the Nuclear Power plant.
@Arun I know that..I mentioned season 2 incident.when jonas travelled.. nd noah travelled through the dark matter portal
Arun i'm pretty sure Noah uses the Triquetra notebook that he steals from Claudia after she has ripped the last few pages out. Remember she already knows how to make the portal work but has been stalling it on alt Claudia's orders so it would make sense that she had the info in the book. Also because she knows the cycle needs to continue this is why she rips the pages out before Noah gets it. She knows he will take the book and that he needs to spend the rest of the time trying to replicate the time machine and searching for the pages and his daughter Charlotte.
The pendant that Martha and Jonas found by the lake belongs actually to Hana. Young Egon gave the pendant to Hana as a gift. Then she went to the abortion clinic where she met Helena (katarina's mother). Hana left the pendant for Helena before she left. After that Helena wore the pendant all the time until she met old Katarina in 1986 where the had a fight by the lake and Helena killed katarina. During the fight the pendant fell into the sand and stayed hidden there until Martha and Jonas found it.
4:20 questions start
I probably should have linked this myself. Thanks!
@@thecaveofculture lol hey it happens! Really liked the vid btw
Thanks!
This series’ ending made so many shows look terrible. Lost comes to mind.
That's the difference between a planned out story, and someone making it up as he goes. On that note, don't get too excited for A Song of Ice and Fire (GOT books).
@@pairot01 lol...I dont even think we will get to see the ending written by GRRM. He took almost a decade to write winter and still hasn't finished. He has grown old and lost interest.
Great video! Especially with the photograph I believe it’s people from the factory and that were the followers of the original sic mundus.
Question: What did Adam think he was doing differently than the Adam that came before him? Since the world still exists despite the previous Adam's efforts, there must be some change that Adam must have believed he was making in the timeline that the previous Adam did not make. What was it?
He was thinking that it's the final cycle but i guess he didn't knew about multiple realities. He learnt from Claudia that we change a grain of sand in every loop and with a grain of sand the whole world. He must be thinking that in this final loop. Alt martha which will become Eve later is going to be killed because he won't let her escape
You can will what you want,but you can't will what you will.
Honestly bro just keep up the good content and you'll hit 100k in no time.
Thank you, I appreciate that!
This video was MUCH MUCH needed!
The ending reminded me so much of Donnie Darko. Sacrificed his own self knowing everyone can be happy and the girl he loves can live.
@MasterOnion North Looper is an ok action movie, and a horrible time travel movie.
Uh....Martha doesn't live, though. They both cease to exist.
After her conversation with Claudia where Claudia told her that her mother loved Agnes, and Agnes her, I believe Agnes went back to Doris and they ran off together.
Why Claudia HAD to send Jonas and Martha to save Tannhaus' son? Why couldn't she do it herself?
So,we can have Jonas and Martha moment one last time
Bcuz writers asks her to do that 😂
@@Tanvir_x3 😂😂😂
Because Claudia was part of the origin world so it wouldn't work it had to be them because they were born out of the split worlds causing the cycles.
Tom Turner what I meant was she wasn’t part of the loop. She existed without the loop. Outside of it. That’s why her daughter is still born. That’s why she untied the knot.
Great video, thank you for clearing up some stuff I had questions about! However, there are some things that still confuse me:
1) How did the initial cycles right after the split of the original reality actually go and how did they become a loop without Adam, Eva or old Claudia to manipulate others?
2) How does the reality in which alt Martha rescues Jonas exist if nothing stops Eva in her reality from sending Bartosz for Martha 100% of the time and thus eliminating Adam from existence EVERY TIME. The whole situation is explained by Schrodinger's cat: the two realities exist simultaneously, not interchangeably (like if Martha saving Jonas in one loop triggered Eva sending Bartosz in the next one and that triggered Adam to send Martha to save Jonas and not go with Bartosz and so on). But why is that the case if Eva sends out Bartosz every time? Where (or rather when lol) is he when Martha saves Jonas?
3) Why does Eva need to timetravel by using the apocalypse if she already has a time machine which is more effective than Adam's since it can bring you whenever, not just 33 years in time? And if Eva and her team were using the moment of apocalypse frequently, how did they not learn about the original world from this blue tunnel where timelines come together? Plus, since it is the moment when you can change fate, there is a chance they would create a bunch of other realities that could potentially screw up the cycle Eva was trying so hard to maintain.
4) How do the cycles end in the timeline where Claudia doesn't come to Adam? If he understands that killing the origin does not solve the problem, why does he not try to go back and persuade Jonas from becoming himself? Why go to Eva and kill her?
5) Why is Claudia, in a cycle where everything goes as usual, still able to change it by coming to a conclusion that she has never come to before? The fact that she is able to kill alt Claudia suggests she has done it every time (otherwise time wouldn't allow it to happen), then why didn't she break the loop sooner?
This brings me to a theory which makes sense in my head (you are welcome to disagree). There had not been millions of previous cycles in which the characters gradually changed the events that led to the loop we have seen in the show, the original world split into 2 realities already as loops, in each of which Claudia comes to Adam at the end (although it is contradicted by Eva's words about her young self finding her body after Adam kills her idk).
At its core, even the original universe is part of a loop: if Jonas and Martha save Tannhaus's family, he doesn't build a time machine, thus the universes of Jonas and Martha are never created and they can't save his family. A paradox.
Thanks for watching!
1) The universes came into being as they are with the cycle already going
2) She cannot eliminate Adam from existence because he exists. Same reason why Noah can't shoot him.
3) This is a simple answer but: Why waste the god particle fuel and use the time machine if you have the big ball of god particle right there? lol
4) I would imagine he keeps trying to achieve his goals but fails. Or maybe Claudia kills him at that point. This is a good question. However, I wouldn't call it a plot hole just something that would have been cool to know. I would imagine the creators would like us to question whether there was anymore than one cycle as well though. So not revealing what happens was a conscience choice i feel.
5) I think she does kill alt claudia every time. She then goes and tries to unravel the knot. Failing many times but passing a little information on to her younger self. then eventually she has enough info to break the cycle.
Final point about the paradox.
i believe that there are four worlds:
Origin
Prime and Alt
Origin - Post Jonas and Martha saving the day
The worlds were real. They had there time and now they are destroyed to create this new Origin world.
I think this show was just a very circuitous way of explaining why we get deja vu
Question 24: Agnes could have also gone to the bunker to give old Claudia the news paper page about her death.
That’s my theory, yes.
That was before she disappeared though... and then shemeets Noah in fhe Church and tells she met Claudia... and things
Yes the show seems to suggest Agnes has to give the newspaper clipping to Claudia (who then gives it to Agnes before her death).
There was a part before older Claudia is killed and she gives the newspaper cutting to Agnes. Claudia says something like - "my mother will make you happy" ... anyone else remember that? So maybe Agnes goes back to the 1950s and lives with Doris (and Tronte?). Or they run away together. And Claudia stays with her father.
GoT : we have complex family matters.
Dark : Hold my time machine
Comparing stranger things to dark is like comparing Donald Trump to Barack Obama 😂😂
The time travel and all the science is just a vessel. At core Dark is a love story, a love story between Jonas and Martha, a love story between Regina and Claudia, a love story between Jonas and Mikkle and I could keep on going. It was a vessel to show that we should never leave hope, we should never stop being persistent. All the science stuff and all the time travel is to show that all this.
And well there all bloopers to tell you its still a show, don't take everything so seriously.
Why is this called “unanswered questions”? Most of these have very clear answers in the show lol
True! Haha. I suppose it is because I have legitimately seen people asking these questions. I didn’t want to insult them!
How did dog open the door? I am ready to accept that he randomly found his way into the cave ... but a dog can't open a door
Older Claudia took the dog (Gretchen) that entered the cave and brought it to the future where adult Claudia then found that dog at the cave from the power plant.
Older claudia actually mentioned this in season 2 (forgot the specific episode) that she brought that dog from the cave to the future. And she also mentioned that as the dog went inside the cave, it recognized older Claudia even if she was at a different age..
That bothered THE FUCK outta me aswell!!!!! Glad to see I wasnt the only one...
Thank You Anthony James for the video. Much Appreciated
You are very welcome!
Queston 26: how did little Silja get her scar that looks exactly like the one Eve gives Martha?!
Tricycle accident?
The most likely explanation is that she got the scar from complications during her birth.
When Hannah finds out she is pregnant in 1954, the doctor that informs her about it also notes that a pregnancy at her age might come with aforementioned complications.
Overall the scar is not important and is only used to help the viewer identify Hannahs child as the woman (Silja) from the future.
And what about future Elizabeth's scars
Backchod Hai Hum radiation?
@@EdisonPuma maybe not because noah also live with her and she got them after Charlotte was taken to the tanhass, because young Elisabeth didn't have scars
Question 17: it is the Unknown who wrote Clausen's letter. We know it because they both said the same phrase (the Unknown said it to old Tanhaus, Clausen said it to Alex Tidemann). We can assume that the Unknown included that phrase in his letter. I'm referring to the phrase about the truth (I don't know how to translate it in english)
Katerina got her name from the same place as always.
Because Hannah took the name Katerina because of her. She didn't pull the name out of her ass. So branch world 1 Kat was a self fulfilling prophecy of a name. Her own name inspired her own name, Hannah didn't inspire anything. She took the name so Ulrich would accept a visitation from her.
13:05 - It was probably The Unknown as the quote in the letter is the same quote that The Unknown quotes at Tanhaus.
For those wondering why Martha's son has deformed lips. Well she's Jonas' aunt just the same even though they're from different worlds!
so??
I also think it may have been a purposeful visual clue that creators can mirror the image of, like with Martha's scars being on different sides in the different worlds.
Actually, a cleft lip is a birth abnormality that can be caused, among other things, by the mother's chronic exposure to levels of low radiation. There is probably some science behind that lip. That, and it was a handy visual for all three iterations of the Unnamed being the same person.
I like how the video maker answers a lot of the questions, but I don’t enjoy hearing his condescending/patronizing opinions about what we should or should not think about. If this video is cut down to just the question and theories/answers, it would be a lot more enjoyable, and I could gladly give a thumbs up.
I appreciate your feedback. However, I make videos to give my opinions and analyse TV and film. That includes talking about how they are perceived and discussed. I can see what you mean and I feel you are right that my video might have a wider appeal if I left that part out. I respect that.
On the other hand, I wanted to make the point. So I did. I don't think there is any way other than sounding a little bit condescending when expressing an opinion such as this. When making a RUclips video that people will watch you need to come across as a voice of authority on a subject, in a way. You wouldn't watch someone who comes across as if they don't know what they are talking about. So unfortunately, I feel sounding a little condescending to some people is going to be an unwanted byproduct of making an impassioned point that is divisive. Having said that, thank you for the comment, I will keep this in mind when making videos in the future and try to avoid any shred of a patronising tone.
Thank for watching and I'm glad you enjoyed the questions! AJ
I've watched the show 3 times and I can proudly say I understand it at an almost perfect level!! The only thing I keep trying to understand & not being able to is... When HG Tannhaus 'created' the split two worlds by initiating the time-machine.. what was the next thing that happened.. so how did things unveil from that point? Is it little Charlotte being brought to Tannhaus by older Charlotte & older Elizabeth thus setting the motion for the whole storyline or is it yet another bootstrap paradox in which we can't know for sure what happened next??!!
The original world was destroyed, creating the other two.
Yes it was older Charlotte and older Elisabeth who brought young Charlotte at HG Tannhaus's house
Understanding everything about this show is a myth
Why did Adam and Helge create that electric chair aparatus, kill Mads Nielson and the Red Head kid from 2019, and burn the faces? What was their motivation for doing that, why did they need that electric chair, and how did it advance the story beyond prompting Ulrich to become a police officer?
the biggest exploit of the show is avoiding nazis.
Or mentioning world wars
@@rajeshprabhu5939 the first was indeed mentioned
@@rajeshprabhu5939 the first ww is mentoined when jonas is asked if he is a returning captured soldier when he arrives in 1921 from 2052
That would have been ill-fitting and even harder to build it into the story.
Ohhhhh
Thanks guys ,I totally forgot about that part.
15:15 Jonas fully "becoming" Adam after killing his mum low key feels like the Anakin-becoming-Vader situation. Both turn to the d a r k to seek answers hehe
I think not only because he's lost his faith, Bartosz was killed by Noah because Adam told him to, or at least this is what I got from his conversation with his older self
Yeah I meant to say this was implied.
I believe Adam said to young Noah "At one point, your dady will lose his faith. That's how you will know when to do it."
Adam sent Agnes to give that newspaper cutting to old Claudia
I luv this! Haven't found the answer to one question I was thinking haha, why doesn't the child of Martha and Jonas have a name?? Like when Martha is scarred by Eva, she tells her that she has to kill Jonas and all that cuz otherwise their child won't be born and then presents said child to her, and the little one hugs her,,,,, but she NEVER gives the child a NAME? How does he grow up when he's literally travelling all his life (in three different ages) through timelines and killing ppl ?? (also commanded by Eva which MAN sounds like a hell of a mother). What I mean is that Martha really is a good person at all? If the loop is supposed to continue so the child can live, but she literally NEVER gives him a name and SENDS HIM to kill ppl all his life?¿
Hi thanks for watching. Strange logic on Martha’s part but it is hardly a plot hole or unanswered question haha. She didn’t give him a name because he never had one. Also...maybe he wasn’t telling the truth lol
@@thecaveofculture haha I know I know, but the whole thing feels off to me, it's not really a plot hole, but it is quite strange and something to think about 🤔
You forgot the most important:
How the hell did Helge get laid and have a kid??????
he did! question 9, 9:31
He didn't forget, it's right in there.
Am i the only one who felt really bad for noah in the end?
What happened to him
Navin Kumar In the first 2 seasons we thought of him as a bad guy but in the last season we realize that he was just a man trying to find his daughter. Also he was used and was betrayed by adam
Yeah it was traumatic to see his loving&caring human side. He was brainwashed to kill his own father, had to murder those young kids to invent time machine (so that he can travel back to find his own beloved daughter), found out the truth toooo late (for Charlotte has already become an adult and started to despise Noah), killed by his own sister without any chance to inform his wife or explain himself to Charlotte. Not to mention he was betrayed by his best friend and mentor TWICE. He became a monster in the hands of Adam when all he ever wanted was to be with his family.
The question is not how Claudia found out, it's how Claudia found out NOW. If all of that was happening for... forever? How did she find out NOW?
Hi Anthony and Konrad! I am VERY late to the Dark game, but am completely obsessed and so happy to have found your podcast and RUclips channel.
I watch the entire series twice and listened to all of your original episodes. I am just starting to go through all of the Dark Discussions. After that I don't know what I will do. Probably watch the entire series for a third time. Nothing compares.
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How do in Alt world Jonas took Martha thorough the cave and they land up in the future? The cave portal was created in both worlds in 1986 so it could only go 33years back and forward. How does Eve world cave then go to future 2050s time?
Maybe the cycle in Eva's world is 1986, 2019, 2052. And not 1953, 1986, 2019 like in Adam's world.
That explains why Ulrich ended in 1986 and not 1953 in the alt world.
No the cave doesn't take you to multiple of 33years it is established in the series. Next in Eve world the cave to work in behind 1986 n ahead 2052 the portal should have been created in 2019 ! But that is impossible as the portal was created in 1986 in both worlds and that's how it came to be in the first place. So these answers doesn't solidify anything. It's a loophole in the series
Yeah i was confused by that too. I thought the cave only had limited times you could get to. In 2019 it seems there are 2 tunnels - one goes 33 yrs in the past(where mikkel goes to 1986), the other 66 yrs in the past (ulrich goes to 1953). But yeah, in series 3 Jonas takes other world Martha from 2019 to 2052 - suddenly there's another tunnel that goes to the future???
Clausen letter was written by the unknown it has the same lines that the unknowns said when they killed gustav tannhaus ❤️❤️
I’m legitimately devastated that some of these were never explained further. What a crazy ending.
There is a reason why we are taught in school to analyse novels. A great story leaves points for interpretation.
Best explanations ever thank you!
Why Adam didn't know about taking different direction before apocalypse?
If Martha's pregnant is written in last pages of that leather notebook and he don't know he is the father of the unknown it is fine, but if he knows he is the the father then he should have known about the running in two different direction before the apocalypse.
and also he knows already about two different scenario happened in Kahnwald's house since 1888 Martha meets stranger Jonas.
why he have no idea about this until Claudia explains??
Even i also thought the same ..
What adam does is also not logical..Stranger jonas dumbing martha by just seeing a letter doesnt make sense..
Nice one. One hint about the pronounciation, i noticed it with Helene, but it also would apply to Helge, Tronte, Jantje, Porsche etc.: German has no silent vowels at the end of words. If there's an E, it's fully pronounced ;) Of course you're pronouncing the names in an English manner, but this is one detail i would like people to get right, as it otherwise basically alters the name. Another hint: Bartosz, some make "Bar-toes" out of that (argh), but "Bar-toss" is still not right, it's "Bar-tosh". Let's end on a positive note, your "Martha" is spot-on! :)
I actually understood how Claudia figured out there was another world with complete clarity
In season 2 , old Claudia says to young Claudia that regina lives if every thing happens correctly regina will live but in both worlds regina dies so she deduces that there must exist another world.Just a theory though
Great video @Anthony James. U reason things out pretty well! Great Understanding
Thanks very much Pranav!
Question 26: What was Question 14?
Shhhhhhhh
@@thecaveofculture haha...but really what is it?
* I DON'T NEED SLEEP I NEED ANSWERS*
In the ending of TV series dark Jonas and Martha save the family of the Clockmaker and thus the two worlds dont exist then the two worlds dont exist and hence Martha and Jonas dont exist and they dont save the clockmakers family, so did the the showrunners ignored the bootstrap paradox in the end?
pls answer. good video though.
I think this is because there were 2 versions of them.
When they were in the cave and the original world H.G. Tanhaus activates the machine and creates the Adem and Eve world than time stands still for a moment. This is the only moment anybody could make choses without time interfering. So its like with Schrödingers cat, alive and dead at the same time or with jonas who gets saved vs. Jonas who didn't get saved by other world Martha.
2 different reality's in the same space excisting at the same time.
This because you could make different choses at the same time.
(Mindfuck)
So the one version of Jonas and Martha saved Tanhaus son, grandchild and daughter in law while the other reality of Martha and Jonas didn't thus they don't brake the cycle and still excist.
So they brake the grandfather paradox but at the same time they don't...so i think time itself was like...yup imma head out now
This is my theorie after watching season 3 one time and thinking long and hard about it afterwards haha...i will watch it again next week and than think some more.
@@arneverlinde5910 I thought same at the first but Jonas is alive in the main world by going into the basement in one reality and becomes Adam and in the other he is saved by Martha of the other world and dies. So this happened due to QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT when the time stands still for a moment. So there has to be one more reality in which he gets saved by Adam and saves the family of the clock-maker. So there are three realities now but this will not work because it breaks the rule of quantum entanglement as quantum entanglement works in pairs. So we have to strike out one of the realities but all the three realities are necessary to the plot.(MINDFUCK)
So what now?
@@Ashrjz I think they break the paradox. Which is a paradox in itself, which is why they disappear all together.
@@Ashrjz well....haha, first i want to say that, it just baffels me how freaking complex this is and how on earth 2 people could write something like this...i think they also come from an other reality haha.
But you are right about the quantum entangelment and comming in pairs (acting like i know everything about the most complex subject that excist) though in episode 7; its the beginning of the epsiode were Tanhaus is explaining to us via his talkshow about shröders cat. At the end he posed the question about how many reality's there could excist next to eatch other. Go back and look/listen again...he is hinting at endles reality's with endles outcomes.🙂
They exist forever and never at the same time
Thank you ,you explained really well.
This was really interesting, and definitely clarified a few things. I love the Rugrats analogy. I did come across someone online yesterday wondering whether Jonas ever showers.
I have a few issues:
I completely agree that the Sic Mundus photo, apart from the characters we know, are just "people who lived in that time," but I don't understand why you're still insisting that's Erna. Erna has a differently-shaped and much lower hairline, and a fuller, rounder face. And if she was a member of Sic Mundus she wouldn't have been surprised by Jonas turning up and asking about the year. She doesn't seem intellectually-inclined, and I think she's pretty busy keeping the inn.
And there's no hint in the actual series that she's involved in Sic Mundus. Every other character who is involved in Sic Mundus is very clearly revealed to be involved, because we see them either working with Adam or at Sic Mundus headquarters.
I also don't understand how the random man in the back is "foreshadowing for the Tannhaus family." He's clearly not in charge - the man at the front is (Adam). And he doesn't look like the Tannhauses we know. He's just some random dude standing in the back. I think you have to let go of your old theories. I know it hurts.
Also, if the official family tree indicates that Hermann Albers is Katharina's father, it's canon, so it's not "safe to assume" there's another "Hermann Albers" who's "an older relative of Helene's who got her pregnant." It is safe to assume she was abused at 12, but we don't know by whom, and it's unlikely she was abused by the same person when she was about 29, resulting in the birth of Katharina. It's more likely she kept the next baby because it was the product of her marriage. There's no way we can assume Katharina was the "only true product of incest in the show," since we have no idea what relation Helene was to Hermann.
He could have been a cousin (not legally regarded as incest in Germany), or a second or third cousin, or some guy with the same last name, or someone who - like Alexander Tiedemann - took his wife's last name, for whatever reason.
And finally if Peter's mother was a prostitute Helge visited, why would she even know which of her clients was Peter's father, let alone remember it on her deathbed? I just don't think we have anywhere near enough information to conclude that.
Just because Helge was intellectually impaired and a bit reclusive doesn't mean he didn't have a partner at some point. Maybe his dad married him off to someone and it didn't work out.
Otherwise though, great video, and I completely agree that we need to accept that some things don't matter as much as we might have thought they did, and we didn't need to see absolutely everything. We know, for example, that Agnes and the Origin hooked up. We don't really need to see it, because eww.
I found the ending really satisfying.
I definitely have to let go of my old theories haha and oh boy does it hurt. I will forever think in my headcanon that that guy is HG's father.
You've misunderstood me. I don't think there was another Hermann Albers. I think it is the same one. Do you think the writers just made them have the same last name for no reason? I fully get that if it was real life we couldn't assume that she was a product of incest but I would say that it definitely points that way if the writers decided to give fictional parents the same name, while also showing us that is the woman's maiden name. It's absolutely fine though if you assume differently!
Well I would imagine if I was female and a prostitute and had someones baby I would definitely want to find out more about them. Just because Peter didn't know doesn't mean the mum didn't. Also, I made sure to say with that one that it was what i tell myself because I know there isn't enough evidence for it.
I agree about the Agnes and Origin thing lol I mean Agnes with her great great granny was enough haha
Thanks for watching!
This made me think (not too hard, of course). You said it's mentioned that French scientists were the ones who discovered the world stopped momentarily after the apocalypse. What if the French Delegation in the 1980's timeline was trying to tell Claudia about the potential for the world stopping during nuclear disasters? And then in the 2050's timeline they are being hanged for trying to do the same thing? Maybe someone knows. It would be interesting.
I also think that is not coincidence that there re french in the three occassions, they might me related
Pretty interesting
why Noahs name is Hanno Tauber not Hanno Tiedmann ?
I would honestly assume that Bartosz went by Tauber in the past as a disguise of sorts!
Probably Bartosz wasn't using his real name.
Tauber = german for "deaf" and I guess he uses this name because of Elisabeth.
He only seems to go by Tauber once he leaves Elisabeth and goes on his kidnapping journeys, so I think it was just an assumed name so he could go incognito and also a tribute to Elisabeth since it means deaf
I think it's an alias for his 1953/54 period, if he used Tiedemann he would've drawn attention so he went with Tauber
Great video man !! Great job! I have a question. Was it explained how the major sic mundis founder ( father of the blind tanhous) has the “for Charlotte” watch ?
I would assume his wife or child is called Charlotte. That is where the watch originated.
Regarding Helge's father: In 2019 Charlotte remarked that Helge is 75 years old. Therefore he was born 1943/44. He was conceived not later than in the beginning of 1944. Soviet forces entered small parts of Germany first at the end of 1944. Only in 1945 the Soviets invaded larger parts. Thus the mentioned Anatol Veliev was hardly a Soviet soldier and the procreation of Helge wasn't by rape related to the Soviet invasion. Most probably Anatol Veliev (German form, not the Russian form Anatoli) was a Russian exile who fled from Bolshevism to Germany and remained there. Greta had an affair with him but it was not motivated by love and Helge's procreation wasn't intended, at least from her point of view.
I still don’t understand when and how In Adam’s and Eve’s timeline they were able to discover each other’s world.
Who discovered the other’s world first?
I do understand the 2 different timelines of Jonas and Martha.
However, why would Adam instruct Magnus and Franzika to send Martha to save Jonas?
This instruction is what leads to the creation of origin. Then Adam ends up killing Martha and the origin. Also Jonas ends up dying in Eve’s world all due to Adam’s instruction. Although Adam must not know this fact or does he?
If Adam didn’t send alt Martha to rescue Jonas, the origin would never be created and Jonas would not of be shot by Martha. Therefore it doesn’t make any sense for Adam send alt Martha to rescue Jonas.
So what was his motivation for sending alt Martha if he wanted to end everything and preventing the creation would have done so?
In the other timeline, Jonas goes to the basement and the origin is never created. This is due to Eve sending Bartaoz to stop Martha from saving Jonas. Eve wants the origin to be created and keep the loop going.
So why would Eve instruct Bartoz to stop her from rescuing Jonas?
It would make more sense if Eve sent Martha to rescue Jonas with the motive of creating the origin. It would also make more sense if Adam sent Magnus & Franzika to stop alt Martha from saving Jonas as that would prevent the creation of the origin.
It's been explained by Eve when young Martha asks her Jonas is still alive in Prime world.. she says "there are dualities to everything either u do it or don't do it.. 2 sides to a line.. inner and outer, but they both somehow leads to the same point in line.." !!
Adam sends Magnus n Franziska to bring Martha to pick up Jonas.. after a turn of events when Martha comes to prime world he takes her captive to kills her nd the origin.. this specific event has to be stopped by Eve, so she sends Bartoz to stop Martha from saving Jonas nd bringing him to Alt world..
U can also say.. stopping Martha wud stop her from conceiving.. nd letting Martha wud kill her.. but these 2 events r 2 sides of a line.. they lead to the same point !!
Eve sent Bartosz to stop Martha because that's how she remembers it, she doesn't remember rescuig Jonas or helping The Stranger or working for Adam
Adam wanted origin as he was the husband of agnes that lead to tronte and whole Nielsen family tree .. orgin was most important part of cycle in both worlds ...adam wanted to put pieces all together so he wanted origin to Happen but wanted to destroy it by killing pregnant martha not pre born orgin
Eva knew that you could split the timelines during the apocalypse, Adam didn't. That's why Adam thought he had the "real" Alt-Martha captive and that killing her would end the cycle, while he actually just had a copy of her.
Eva knew about the possibility to split the timelines and used that for her advantage.
Who tf is gonna have problem with ending when we've seen endings like got🙄🙄
The only plot hole that pissed me off was when Claudia came up with the OG world thing... Like damn
The Claus letter was wrote by the "Unknow" and he even says, a bit of it, to the blind Tanhaus