Its crazy how everyone looks at what MS is doing through the lens of rhe console war when in reality MS is so far removed that its not even funny. They have a vision that is beyond the physical console
Yes, you noticed what I've noticed. I think it's curious that no one is making the disingenuous argument that Valve _"no longer cares about their hardware,"_ or that they've _given up_ on the Stream Deck. Has anyone else noticed that? I guess Valve doesn't want to compete lol
That's because Steam deck is still a PC. PC is different from consoles as my PC games has never been bound by one set of hardware. The Steam Deck did exactly what Valve wanted it to do. Before the Deck pc handheld were expensive.
A lot of us have actually wanted and hoped Xbox and Microsoft would do. With both PC and Xbox consoles being the places I play majority of the time on, everything we're hearing about the next Xbox consoles and the integration of Xbox and Windows on PCs and mobile handhelds is very exciting.
I'm actually looking forward to 2026 but personally for the Alienware PC / Xbox hybrid version to get the highest end experience available. Thats also the difference between sticking to a set console architecture. Take the PS5 generation as an example. The PS5 was underpowered on release without full rdna 2 capabilities like VRS, VRR and mesh shaders. The PS5 pro then released constricted to the PS5 SDK instead of using a similar SDK to the Series S/X which have full rdna 2 SDK. And the PS5 Pro CPU will be nearly 8 years out of date by 2028. And it was put on sale with no solid performance benchmark being released by Sony. With Xbox, and their upcoming Hybrid model, you aren't constrained to a particular box throughout the generation. If you want the standard Xbox hybrid by Xbox, fine. If you want say a Xbox hybrid a little more powerful, you just match a specification and price point you prefer. Or if you want a top of the range, then you can spend extra and get a machine that will smoke everything available and only need ONE device. The difference is the money you pay will get you the specifications you want and pay for and it will say on the tin before you buy it what you will get and there will be RUclips reviews of it clearly showing benchmark performance results.
@@tinmanslickgreasy999 Yes that's what I'm hoping for too. If they bring it to PC but make it a requirement to be an Xbox brand feature, it's the only selling point the branding would need (even though there are more)
How do you even know it's going to be on the level of a high end PC??? There is no proof of that just yet. There is too much speculation on media sites and such. Wait until it releases and then the truth will be told!
This conversation also draws in Linux evangelists to praise Valve (since SteamOS is a Linux distro). They tend to criticize Microsoft reflexively as well.
As a true gaming fan i want games i dont care whether it is exclusive ,this and that all i want is games and nothing .I also want all games to be multiplatform so that the end line of console wars and nonsense talks is put to an end
@Themistocles30 Yeah bro all they care is about a plastic box especially ps community. Xbox has improved in this regard very much that I can't complain about them but ps is ps . I again repeat people should enjoy games not hardware on which they are playing
I would be kind of excited to see xbox AND PS go the pc hybrid route......just to get to a point where the sky is the limit. We dont have to have 5090's obviously but if we were able to get 4080 performance or amd's version of similar performance that would be cool. I would really like to see ALL of the games I own from xbox being able to play on a higher end pc. Im sure they are working on a lot to make it work coming from a closed system like that to open PC but that would be cool. I realize some games are play anywhere but will we get the benefit of pc that can do a whole lot more than a SX or ps5pro for that matter with the games that are made for console only. I bet this is harder than we think to make this work whether its licensing or just getting the game to work right but im all for it. Interesting to see how they pull this off. Like once this happens there is no going back to regular consoles.
PC's and cell phones do the same thing w/ OEM and Xbox who is under Microsoft (that has been doing this) is following suit. Dedicated gaming consoles are my main deal, but I would want some pc like features like upgradability for the SoC, ssd memory, etc.
You need to read what Jason Ronald said at CES (from Tom Warren) he confirmed bridging Xbox OS to PC in 2025. Also people ignore that although SteamOS is really good, it still has major compatibility issues, MS/Xbox has time.
Hey, thanks for pointing out the media biases once again... because now they are trying to say steam vs. Xbox... but when it was just Xbox aiming this way... Xbox lost its way and identity... so has Steam lost it's identity going to Lenovo S?... hmm 🤔 I just hope Xbox goes 3rd party in hardware, allow the likes of Asus, Lenovo, ect. To make a Nvidia powered Xbox.... due to RTX 5070 release and affordability, this makes sense more now with it's $500+ gpu entry price tag. Microsoft having that AMD partnership restricting them from making Nvidia console themselves right now... but shouldn't stop them from allowing a 3rd party vendor from doing so,.. if Xbox becomes console third-party? Letting other manufacturers create an Nvidia powered console using 5000 series in Xbox units, all while still making there own official licensed products $699-799 or maybe 899 if done right... with steam and epic stores... Still think that 399-550 handheld is very much needed before or alongside the next Xbox with universal Xbox UI... and expansion card compatibility for both. Xbox has a small window to win and win big mid to late 2025-26 at the latest!
Xbox’s All access program is perfect for quicker upgrades in regards to consoles. Right now it’s either $25 or $35 a month for the console and 2 years of Gamepass ultimate.
Multiple Market makes more profit. It’s as simple as that. it just happened Xbox took the approach Steam did and focused on accessibility given their advantages in Tech as a good strategy which also happens to be Pro Consumer. That’s what should matter, it is Pro Consumer.
Uhhh... Said that already. But Media, Analysts and fanboys made fun of Xbox for doing it. That's the point of the video. They need to be careful to speak.
@@VGFightSchool Yes of course, and I'm sorry if it seems repetitive or out of topic but I just wanted to say it. As for the Talking Heads I see no end to it, they care not for sources or research to backup their claims and could care less for accountability as they do more for clout and engagement.
The reason Microsoft is going with this approach is cuz they themselves can't sell consoles. And if you can't sell consoles, you can't sell games. So they are expanding to other devices to find new markets. That is the reality of the situation without the cope fluff.
The reason why they don't sell as many Consoles is the constant media circus against Xbox giving the general public the impression that Xbox bad Playstation good. But I'm happy. In never have to buy a playstation again next generation. I will happily forget all the completed games on my playstation account to get out of the playstation ecosystem. That's how little PlayStation's ecosystem offers an informed customer.
I wouldn't say Xbox can't sell Xbox's... without saying there's a influencers media baisedness that spins Xbox negative narrative to crippled they're success. Why is it DF panel agree that series XlS is Xbox best and most premium piece of hardware, and it was the most powerful upto ps5pro. Yet power was the name of the game last generation, then exclusives, then games, then back to exclusives, to now console sales and game of the year... Xbox is stigma to a tax that is far reaching, ie Lina Khan Waiting to see what the narrative is about to be! Got my popcorn always ready for the whole pick a side war of the grown boy men out here... 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Xbox One's 57.9 million units sold are just over half of the PS4's 117 million, The PlayStation 5 has sold 60.16 million units in 44 months, while the Xbox Series X|S sold 29.64 million units. October 2024 Worldwide Console Sales PS5 11.19M, Nintendo Switch 7.59M, Xbox Series X|S 3.25M Xbox heads into another year without any Game of the Year nominations for their exclusive IP. Since the introduction of the Game Awards, the console only got one nomination for the prestigious award. This marks Xbox Game Studios' 11th year without any Game of the Year wins Xbox won't have exclusives going forward. Everything is timed exclusive at most. If some games are exclusive it's gonna be incidental at best, the "case by case" argument is by and large going to be multiplatform, timed, and with maybe a few (very few) outliers pathetic af LMAO
@@WUKONGSerieS10GBofRAM that whole award show is stacked against xbox and has been for over a decade its literally run by a sony shill.. even if sony didnt put out any games for a year they would make sure that any game that did win was also on playstation.
It pushes people to pc. If console generations are shorter, it changes peoples minds on investment. Game pass or not people. Xbox series s was a mistake, and starting a new generation might be good. Turning a console to gaming pc is a good idea. I still value building my pc.
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I'm glad you made this video because I was noticing steam getting praised and xbox getting dragged for the same thing
The famous Xbox Tax (that dont exist, am i right? 💀💀)
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Steam is PC while Xbox is a console. PC games haven't been bound by a single hardware since the 80's. (like C-64)
@@smidlee7747 You clearly missing the point or don't even want to acknowledge it.
Its crazy how everyone looks at what MS is doing through the lens of rhe console war when in reality MS is so far removed that its not even funny. They have a vision that is beyond the physical console
Yeah their vision is to get you to subscribe to gamepass for life
@@TheMa5cmpbnot necessarily i have over 700 games on my xbox and I don't have or need gamepass
@TheMa5cmpb so isn't that the goal of every subscription service....what a profound take.
@@TheMa5cmpbwhats wrong with gamepass?
They don't want you owning anything physical
I'm currently waiting on an ROG Ally in the mail. Can agree Xbox was right. Playstation better get with the program.
You’ll love it.
Love my Ally X
Yes, you noticed what I've noticed.
I think it's curious that no one is making the disingenuous argument that Valve _"no longer cares about their hardware,"_ or that they've _given up_ on the Stream Deck.
Has anyone else noticed that? I guess Valve doesn't want to compete lol
Does steam even make games anymore...
@De1usionsofGrandeur ...Deadlock? Half Life 3?
Didn't you pay attention to the video VG made directly addressing your comments?
That's because Steam deck is still a PC. PC is different from consoles as my PC games has never been bound by one set of hardware. The Steam Deck did exactly what Valve wanted it to do. Before the Deck pc handheld were expensive.
A lot of us have actually wanted and hoped Xbox and Microsoft would do. With both PC and Xbox consoles being the places I play majority of the time on, everything we're hearing about the next Xbox consoles and the integration of Xbox and Windows on PCs and mobile handhelds is very exciting.
I'm actually looking forward to 2026 but personally for the Alienware PC / Xbox hybrid version to get the highest end experience available.
Thats also the difference between sticking to a set console architecture.
Take the PS5 generation as an example.
The PS5 was underpowered on release without full rdna 2 capabilities like VRS, VRR and mesh shaders.
The PS5 pro then released constricted to the PS5 SDK instead of using a similar SDK to the Series S/X which have full rdna 2 SDK.
And the PS5 Pro CPU will be nearly 8 years out of date by 2028. And it was put on sale with no solid performance benchmark being released by Sony.
With Xbox, and their upcoming Hybrid model, you aren't constrained to a particular box throughout the generation.
If you want the standard Xbox hybrid by Xbox, fine.
If you want say a Xbox hybrid a little more powerful, you just match a specification and price point you prefer.
Or if you want a top of the range, then you can spend extra and get a machine that will smoke everything available and only need ONE device.
The difference is the money you pay will get you the specifications you want and pay for and it will say on the tin before you buy it what you will get and there will be RUclips reviews of it clearly showing benchmark performance results.
I would be down with a highend pc /xbox hybrid version.
The one thing that I do like about SX is the quick resume I would like that in pc as well.
@@tinmanslickgreasy999
Yes that's what I'm hoping for too. If they bring it to PC but make it a requirement to be an Xbox brand feature, it's the only selling point the branding would need (even though there are more)
How do you even know it's going to be on the level of a high end PC??? There is no proof of that just yet. There is too much speculation on media sites and such. Wait until it releases and then the truth will be told!
This conversation also draws in Linux evangelists to praise Valve (since SteamOS is a Linux distro). They tend to criticize Microsoft reflexively as well.
Once steamos releases for desktop, never using MS anything ever again
As a true gaming fan i want games i dont care whether it is exclusive ,this and that all i want is games and nothing .I also want all games to be multiplatform so that the end line of console wars and nonsense talks is put to an end
Console wars won't end. People who don't touch gass are still bickering on about who has the better platform with components.
@Themistocles30
Yeah bro all they care is about a plastic box especially ps community. Xbox has improved in this regard very much that I can't complain about them but ps is ps .
I again repeat people should enjoy games not hardware on which they are playing
I would be kind of excited to see xbox AND PS go the pc hybrid route......just to get to a point where the sky is the limit.
We dont have to have 5090's obviously but if we were able to get 4080 performance or amd's version of similar performance that would be cool.
I would really like to see ALL of the games I own from xbox being able to play on a higher end pc. Im sure they are working on a lot to make it work coming from a closed system like that to open PC but that would be cool. I realize some games are play anywhere but will we get the benefit of pc that can do a whole lot more than a SX or ps5pro for that matter with the games that are made for console only. I bet this is harder than we think to make this work whether its licensing or just getting the game to work right but im all for it.
Interesting to see how they pull this off. Like once this happens there is no going back to regular consoles.
PC's and cell phones do the same thing w/ OEM and Xbox who is under Microsoft (that has been doing this) is following suit. Dedicated gaming consoles are my main deal, but I would want some pc like features like upgradability for the SoC, ssd memory, etc.
You need to read what Jason Ronald said at CES (from Tom Warren) he confirmed bridging Xbox OS to PC in 2025. Also people ignore that although SteamOS is really good, it still has major compatibility issues, MS/Xbox has time.
Good video bro and keep up with the good work and I will be watching you for sure no cap
Hey, thanks for pointing out the media biases once again... because now they are trying to say steam vs. Xbox... but when it was just Xbox aiming this way... Xbox lost its way and identity... so has Steam lost it's identity going to Lenovo S?... hmm 🤔
I just hope Xbox goes 3rd party in hardware, allow the likes of Asus, Lenovo, ect. To make a Nvidia powered Xbox.... due to RTX 5070 release and affordability, this makes sense more now with it's $500+ gpu entry price tag.
Microsoft having that AMD partnership restricting them from making Nvidia console themselves right now... but shouldn't stop them from allowing a 3rd party vendor from doing so,.. if Xbox becomes console third-party?
Letting other manufacturers create an Nvidia powered console using 5000 series in Xbox units, all while still making there own official licensed products
$699-799 or maybe 899 if done right... with steam and epic stores...
Still think that 399-550 handheld is very much needed before or alongside the next Xbox with universal Xbox UI... and expansion card compatibility for both.
Xbox has a small window to win and win big mid to late 2025-26 at the latest!
@metv1221 so essentially that nvidia console won't be an Xbox at all cuz it has nothing to do with Xbox.
Sony did try this with PS Now when it first launched, by putting it on TV's as well, but pulled back for whatever reason.
Xbox’s All access program is perfect for quicker upgrades in regards to consoles. Right now it’s either $25 or $35 a month for the console and 2 years of Gamepass ultimate.
Multiple Market makes more profit. It’s as simple as that. it just happened Xbox took the approach Steam did and focused on accessibility given their advantages in Tech as a good strategy which also happens to be Pro Consumer.
That’s what should matter, it is Pro Consumer.
Uhhh... Said that already. But Media, Analysts and fanboys made fun of Xbox for doing it. That's the point of the video. They need to be careful to speak.
@@VGFightSchool Yes of course, and I'm sorry if it seems repetitive or out of topic but I just wanted to say it. As for the Talking Heads I see no end to it, they care not for sources or research to backup their claims and could care less for accountability as they do more for clout and engagement.
I want Steam OS and GeForce Now on my Xbox and PS please.
GIVE game pass to steam deck
The reason Microsoft is going with this approach is cuz they themselves can't sell consoles. And if you can't sell consoles, you can't sell games.
So they are expanding to other devices to find new markets.
That is the reality of the situation without the cope fluff.
Only cope here is from you.
The reason why they don't sell as many Consoles is the constant media circus against Xbox giving the general public the impression that Xbox bad Playstation good.
But I'm happy. In never have to buy a playstation again next generation.
I will happily forget all the completed games on my playstation account to get out of the playstation ecosystem.
That's how little PlayStation's ecosystem offers an informed customer.
I wouldn't say Xbox can't sell Xbox's... without saying there's a influencers media baisedness that spins Xbox negative narrative to crippled they're success.
Why is it DF panel agree that series XlS is Xbox best and most premium piece of hardware, and it was the most powerful upto ps5pro. Yet power was the name of the game last generation, then exclusives, then games, then back to exclusives, to now console sales and game of the year...
Xbox is stigma to a tax that is far reaching, ie Lina Khan
Waiting to see what the narrative is about to be!
Got my popcorn always ready for the whole pick a side war of the grown boy men out here... 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Xbox One's 57.9 million units sold are just over half of the PS4's 117 million,
The PlayStation 5 has sold 60.16 million units in 44 months, while the Xbox Series X|S sold 29.64 million units.
October 2024 Worldwide Console Sales PS5 11.19M, Nintendo Switch 7.59M, Xbox Series X|S 3.25M
Xbox heads into another year without any Game of the Year nominations for their exclusive IP. Since the introduction of the Game Awards, the console only got one nomination for the prestigious award. This marks Xbox Game Studios' 11th year without any Game of the Year wins
Xbox won't have exclusives going forward. Everything is timed exclusive at most. If some games are exclusive it's gonna be incidental at best, the "case by case" argument is by and large going to be multiplatform, timed, and with maybe a few (very few) outliers
pathetic af LMAO
@@WUKONGSerieS10GBofRAM that whole award show is stacked against xbox and has been for over a decade its literally run by a sony shill.. even if sony didnt put out any games for a year they would make sure that any game that did win was also on playstation.
It pushes people to pc. If console generations are shorter, it changes peoples minds on investment. Game pass or not people. Xbox series s was a mistake, and starting a new generation might be good. Turning a console to gaming pc is a good idea. I still value building my pc.