That's the obvious take, sure. What's really important is that Barry gets cheered both times - on tour for killing three targets and on stage for lying about not only the number of targets but how it ended. Acting is 'the search for truth' - in your characters, in the personifications you play and in the ideas and feelings you share with your fellow thespians and the audience. Barry's truth is that he's been acting human this whole time when in fact the machine of war allowed him to be the only thing he's ever been good at and while he's completely lying to his fellow thespians he is finding out the real truth of himself. Meanwhile the Chorus (those in the audience) are shocked and numbed and don't know which story is true - the one acted out or the one not spoken and all they can eventually do is cheer for the dude supposedly taking his shot at honesty on stage.
@@zembryoz FARRRRT lol not at all... But that's exactly what I would expect one of the "actors" to say about Barry. The scene has absolutely nothing to do with who Barry is at all. It's about Barry's environment. Barry is completely aware he is a machine of war, hes not discovering this... He's trying to "un-program himself" and learn what behaviors people impulsively act on rather than calculating themselves into.. He doesn't care that they are wrong and that he is lying. If anything, Barry is taking notes on "how he should feel" about the situation... That and the distinct differences between your environment motivating you to act versus prohibiting you.
dandini0698 2 combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan here, and I absolutely agree with your comment. We become who we have to be to survive, as well as those around us. The bravado and excitement soon ends after you return home, and you then have plenty of time to think about the things you did to survive. This, above anything else, is why I believe the veteran suicide rate is so high in this country. Great take on this clip.
I love this scene so much. What gets me every time is that everyone assumes his horrified staring in the distance is him regretting killing those people, when in actuality it's him terrified at his own ability to kill and *not feel bad about it* .
It makes me wonder if indifference towards death by one's own hands is even something that could be worked out. What happens when someone logically knows how they're supposed to feel about something but just.. can't.
@@cavemanzach9475 I came across a former soldier that jumped into Panama... He seemed to me the only man I knew that dealt real death. Had the indifference, then reflection phase, self destruction, then he came out at the other end as whole as one can be. Think all soldiers have those phases at some point.
His giddy expression when he’s being excepted and cheered by the guys really f-cks me over. His association with killing was a feeling of warm friendship and comradery and that’s what made him into what he became. You can even see it on his face in the scene. He barely knows what social interaction is and then he gets a taste for it and immediately changes forever because of it.
It’s terrifying cause I don’t think I’ve seen him smile like that ever during the entire show atless not to that level of disturbing amount of cheer at killing 3 people
Dang was not expecting to see you here, but then again you are a complete human being with interests and a personality, and not just the “short-film/funny-video-guy”. Wild.
I absolutely love the touch where the acting coach rolls his eyes at the two. He's barely paying attention to them and is totally focused on Barry. He wants to get the real story and real emotions, not the cliche version.
@@lost524 How so? You saw what he did. He asked them to go up stage? Please enlighten us about this subtle nuance (delusion) you claim to see. (Schizophrenia.)
@@moshymosh he literally sent them up there dipshit, and then asks at the end “is that really how it happened?” referring to what the two actors he sent up played out this isn’t complicated but might be for someone with a small brain
I actually liked it, it shows an actual side of war that civilians don't normally see. Soldiers kill, if every soldier breaks down crying every time they kill an enemy we would be a truly pathetic nation. Civilians hear somebody killed a human and assumes they automatically break down and have PTSD for the rest of their life, which is actually something that develops after the incident, usually within three months but you're normally not going to experience symptoms immediately. You can see the adrenaline in his face when he's about to take the shot and afterwards, I think it captures a magnificent psychological take on the views of the military versus the rest of the world. I like to imagine that his thought process was "Oh shit I probably shouldn't say that part".
I think that's a big indicator as to the motivations of Barry. He doesn't do anything for himself, but to feel the acceptance from his peers. He only joined the acting class after feeling great from the applause of the acting class with Ryan Madison. He killed more than necessary because of his fellow soldiers' words of encouragement. He continues as a contact killer because of Fuches' words of encouragement. Barry himself doesn't really have a sense of morality otherwise.
This is one of the most beautiful scenes I have ever seen. The accuracy is insane, whoever their military advisor is needs all the credit. This is the Marine Corps mentality.
I just watched series again and this scene vs. Season 1 when Barry kinda freaks out over Macbeth is kind of brilliant. Everyone knows and even respects Barry is fucked up from "the war". Yet I remember talking to real Iraq combat vets and they were almost ecstatic, talking about picking up bodyparts after bombings (they just had a lot of raw enthusiasm, even if it was fucking them up on some level,) old Apocalypse Now conundrum, well-observed.
“I used to think the worst thing in life was to end up all alone. It’s not. The worst thing in life is ending up with people who make you feel all alone.” --- Robin Williams' character in the movie 'World's Greatest Dad'.
Context for those unfamiliar, Marines are Marines. Marines are soldiers at the root of it, but you'll never hear a marine call one of their own 'soldier'. Marines take very distinct pride in their spot in the US armed forces. Once a marine, always a marine.
Honestly I think my favorite part of the scene is Barry's CO repeating "No, no, no," as Barry takes his second and third shots. It sets the expectation that they're going to be abhorred with what Barry has just done, especially when paired with Hader's expression in the present, but really he's just in shock that Barry is that good a shot. It's even more effective on each successive viewing, because he's already displayed a cold and indifferent attitude towards killing enemy combattants. The first time I watched this episode I assumed Barry killed civilians. It also pays off really well in the later flashback wherein he actually does kill a civilian.
It really builds up that like everything else too fast sports, too hard in a fight, to slow in music, when there’s too much malpractice of training you for what you have to do you might be more prone to a slip in judgement later on due to what you’ve been used to
Barry did kill civilians, there was no official military the US was fighting. Just a bunch of civvies with guns and goats. When everyone owns a rifle, who exactly is a civilian? It's sort of like how Israel bombs hospitals and says the insurgents were using "human shields" Well yes they were, because you destroyed all the military buildings already, so they can only hide in civilian areas.
Remember "acting is truth," "use it," "you don't have to know what child molestation is like, you just have to know what it's like to hurt someone." Bill Hader really hurt someone and he's using it...duh? I mean I wouldn't have even wondered if it wasn't brought up 15 times as what acting is, and then it kinda went nowhere, for Barry, if not Bill Hader? What's "murder"? It's the worst thing Bill Hader ever did to someone. By the logic stated on the show a dozen times. Here's what it might be: "Can you give me ANYTHING?"--Sally to Barry, in that scene that won the Emmy, after he murders his old marine buddy, with the agent in the audience. The biggest literary agent in the world had requested my novel--the real "Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs" from "South Park." The book that makes you puke, that's inexplicably REALLY good. Bill Hader was there, in the "South Park" writer's room. That was a parody of a real book--that's why that episode made no sense, and people still ask Google if it's real, somehow. I had mailed it to the voice of Towelie. I thought I had enough evidence (there's even more, now.) But nobody believed it? Or understood? Or cared? For "South Park" to even notice some guy's novel was a miracle--yet I could explain how it happened at every stage. Got their attention with something incredibly disgusting, funny and vile--then people kept coming back from reading it saying it was some kind of highbrow literary masterwork, and it felt like a comedy sketch. "Guys, this is MY LIFE. I don't want to sue you. It's the coolest thing in the world. Salman Rushdie's agent requested it because this literary genius Stanford neuroscientist basically said 'I think it's like the best thing I've ever read?' like an idiot, like the episode. He's talented, you guys are actually talented, this book is weird and nobody ever thought it would sell, it means EVERYTHING TO ME. I love you. 'They did a 'South Park' about it' already makes it more relevant to pop culture than 10,000 pieces of shit no one cares about. Can you give me ANYTHING?" Cold. Like killing Chris. Under orders, like the Macbeth scene from Season 1--"South Park" guys didn't want to get sued or then, have it be known they were dicks like that. Unfortunately for their personal brands, they just can't help themselves: they put everything in the show. From my book, to Bill Hader screaming at Trey Parker about his personal brand in 2012, to feeble-minded Reddittors who just think the TV is talking to me (my name is "Rick"--the season finale of "South Park" was just saying my name as much as possible--48 times, tied with "a," I analyzed a transcript--the TV is literally talking to me! That's the joke! You can go watch this right now, it's called "Spring Break.") I don't want to destroy his reputation, but since he's made pretty clear he'll never admit this, now, should point "can you give me anything" and "Chris looked up to you" are not there for the audience, really--any viewer would almost nitpickingly point out the Chechen guy looked up to Barry, not Chris--no, it's there so Bill Hader can win Emmys, "using it." It really is kind of a scumbag move! And Barry is convincing that way: the guilt is fucking real, over SOMETHING. He obviously wrote the first season around that one scene. "I have this great emotional shit from when I felt like I ruined this guy's life. I can 'use it'!" Hader's great performance as a scumbag IS in itself scumbaggy, in a feedback loop. But this is America, and Bill Hader IS a good guy, now--cuz he's on fuckin' TV. And I'm gonna use it. Bill Hader felt like he murdered the guy who wrote the real "Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs," which is actually called "Bebe's Tale" (like the "South Park" character,) which is why the character Bebe beat the shit out of Butters' "personal brand" last season. Butters sometimes stood for Bill Hader! They were worried this story would make them look like dicks. But between "Barry" and "South Park," I don't know which series of confessions is more obvious? Scrotie (.) Biz in your browser for more.
Everyone in the comments is talking about how annoying the two classmates are, not how Barry doesn't correct them because he WISHES that's what happened. He wishes that's what happened because it's better than the truth: that a bunch of guys cheered his name because he killed three people, who for all he knows, might've just been civilians. Barry's trauma comes from recognizing in hindsight what they were celebrating, and how fucked up that was. He knows admitting what truly happened will horrify his class, so instead, Barry pretends that it went the way his classmates think it did. His teacher remains unsatisfied because he can see that Barry's hiding the truth and that in doing so, he's failing to work through his trauma and inner turmoil, blocking himself from unlocking his acting potential. When in truth, Barry's standing there reliving a traumatic moment, while the two people next to him try - and fail - to portray what they imagine a marine's trauma looks like.
This seems like what those actors would say if they saw this lmao. Reality is it’s just usually not worth the effort to try to explain to civilians what it’s like. They just wont get it because they got no experience on the matter and can't comprehend it, or they pity you because “look at the poor man trying cope lets thank him for his service.” Then u wonder why you opened your stupid mouth in the first place. It’s rarely things like killing a bunch of randos that effect em for a very long time, if ever. Its way more common to have ptsd over things like your buddy dying in front of you, or the ringing in your ears from all the explosions and gunshots, or seeing a poor girl in being sold off by her dad for marriage to an old man to feed the family and thinking about your own daughter. Its never shit like oh no i killed a faceless terrorist from 700 feet away and celebrated a good shot and now these theater kids are really showing me the gravity of it all and how emotional and sensitive i really am.
@@williamkrause5831 yeah, but that is what he is saying. It is some sort of disconnecting, saying it is a faceless terrorist. Maybe it is just a father who joined the Taliban so has not to sell his daughter, maybe a civilian who was nearby and tried to help, someone who fought for independence and just saw their buddy die. Only because their are on the other side of the rifle doesn't mean they are less human, but a soldier had to make them less human to be able to kill them. If you see them as human and still be able to kill them than you are a psychopath.
@@magnajota4341 He's giving his thoughts about this scene about what happened in the show, im talking about the real life version of this. Some of what he stated were things I echoed, but I didn't get the impression that his point was the same as mine. That and perhaps you shouldn't humanize the fucking taliban by acting like people join them for noble reasons. They're not exactly a paragon human virtue, nor are they representative of the average afghani. And its more than well known how they recruit men and what kinds of people join
ONEIL311 doubt it, Jarhead was about desert storm when they still used chocolate chip camouflage, and Gen Kill is shit when the MARPAT was just being phased in so only a few of the characters had MARPAT in that show.
Ok well the rifle thing is sort of a given even tho now they are phasing out the m40 varients and bringing that ither one for scout snipers. Idk what its called tho
That's kind of the point of the character, the way i see it. Shooting people is the only thing that makes him feel competent and like a man, because of this core experience of finally being "one of the boys" in the marines. He doesn't know who he is when he's not a killer, which is why he gets into acting. He want to be someone outside of killing people.
@@oranguman8606 Maybe if you're just laying down cover fire with an automatic weapon on static targets, and you are comfortable with an average of 5'000 rounds per confirmed kill.
He looks so happy at 3:49, like he finally found the purpose and acceptance he'd been searching for all his all life. Everyone expects him to hate himself for it and he can't help thinking, "The day I got my first kill was the best day of my life."
@@14Ramos14 ya cause when people tell the story they relive it as in the show he had the flashback his arm started twitching im guessing its got something to do with muscle memory and most likely ptsd
Rymcu HD what he means is the civilians, the actors, see his first kill as a “oh my so sad moment” but what we see is a different side, the soldiers side; the reality.
@@mariuszwysmolinski5178 Barry POV. Actually spend some fucking time with a Vet man. They good people and people will judge them for shit they was forced to do. Nobody wants to do that but nobody knows what type of can of worms when you do. You either end up like Barry, that homeless dude sweeping up his tent outside the trash bin of Micky D's or you forget about it and move on.
Really this is realistic as Soldiers know full well what they are in for and act more like Frat Boys than anything else, hay even Knights acted like that so its almost tradition in the Military for thousands of years.
This scene is so brilliant, not only does it show the disconnect between civilians and soldiers especially now when we have a professional military (not many volunteers or draftees) but it also shows the effects war has on the psyche he didn't feel remorse, but the average person would/arguably should feel remorse for taking a life, the actor despite his ignorance is showing him what he should be feeling but doesn't.
it might not be a reaction to what they are doing. you might feel shame and self hate that your reaction was to feel good about it. Barry seems to have serious internal struggles about it even before the actors started. its a foreign though to people that haven't been there, but he goes through all the emotions on his own, blanking out the people around him, and when he comes to and sees the mismatch he cant find it in him to try to correct them from this cartoon version where he feels the emotions he "should" to the unexplainable version he actually had.
"especially now when we have a professional military (not many volunteers or draftees)" Literally every man and woman in our entire military is a volunteer. That's what having a professional military means, vice them being conscripts or draftees.
God this scene is so powerful. I can't watch them cheering for him without a slight infectious smile because it's nice to see him get validation, but it's simultaneously heartbreaking that the first time he really feels seen and validated is after he kills three people and it's wrenching to see the glee on his face knowing that this is the moment that really set him down the horrible path he's on in the show.
something non-mil people will never understand, you aren't ashamed of what you did, you're ashamed that you celebrated with your buddies over it and that it made you feel good.
@@boogiespadina8375 You killed a person with a family, motives, dreams and most importantly a life that the person himself deemed worthy to live. If that isn't a reason to feel quilty I don't know what is
I watched this show with my brother, he said it is pretty accurate, you kill someone and it is a job well done... you don't cheer a bunch, but you will get a whisper of yes or someone saying it was awesome. My brother didn't finish the show, also, call a suicide hotline if you guys ever need help. Kid sisters aren't therapists, and we don't know how to help.
A friend who served in Iraq described an incident where his unit was on a roof, I believe. A car on the street drove by, and people in the car were shooting out the window randomly, I believe in celebratory gunfire, aimed in the air. He opened up on the car from above, injuring or killing occupants. He was later reprimanded for shooting when they weren't actually under fire. But the same colonel that did so, also gave him an "out-fing-standing shooting [marksmanship]" and a pat on the shoulder as he left. When the job is to kill people and break things to further government policy, I don't understand why people think our guys are all going to be boy scouts who always check with the unit JAG to make sure it is morally and legally OK to shoot. War is hell, and the ones who can use violence then most ruthlessly and efficiently tend to be the ones that come out on top. We shouldn't be surprised when our "boys" behave accordingly. This is why you don't start wars unless you are willing to annihilate the enemy as fast as possible, then go home. Because stuff is going to happen, warriors are not the peace corps, people who signed up to hand our candy to kids and build schools.
It's a surreal experience the first time. But by then you've spent months or years training and preparing for it. It almost feels like it all paid off. It takes a long time to realize what you've done. But it's different for everyone. My grandpa never lost a single night of sleep. But he was fighting Nazis, freeing people and legitimately fighting for the free world. I honestly can't figure out why I killed. It wasn't for freedom or the people that's for sure.
I really love this scene. Bill Haders telling what happened and the actors jumping to a over acted version of what they think happened filling in the blanks that barry doesnt say. Barry remembering a much colder and disconnect with killing someone and the actors thinking he reacted alot more heart broken and emotional is a very gripping and shows the parallels between soldiers and civis
I mean, every one's different, but from what i've learned over the years, talking to combat vets, the soldiers to their sides are more important the ones down the barrel, and they can live with that. Ex coastie myself, and I know that any of my former shipmates would have put their lives on the line for anyone if the duty demanded it.
@@bendover2684 hey man... i dont know how to say this. Im a vet, joined 2011 wanted to serve, career, 20 yrs whole nine yards. I got out 2017, honorable discharge. I went back to civilian life lost, angry, depressed...hell i am lost, angry and depressed... longing for something, anything to make me feel whole again. My folks said not long ago " don't let your identity to be rooted in your job" ...man when you said that...its like a bell rung. Call me crazy, silly, emotional, stupid, whatever but im sitting here in tears because i see what ive done. Rooting my identity in a job and not in who i am. I don't know if its thanks, or something else...but thanks man.
0:16 "Why don't you tell us about the first man you killed?" "There was a rebel village, 5 clicks down the road. Word came down from top brass: Make it disappear! We didn't know any better, we were kids. I watched myself pick up the flamethrower, and I just. Went. Off!"
Bill's smile of pride after his friends hyped him up was so adorable. It made him look like a 17 year old. Also I love how they made sure to pay attention to the little details. It's amazing. This show is one of a kind.
It's great. Even the presentation of violence, from the very first episode no less, is done realistically. It's as much a show about reintegration into civilian life as it is a show about acting.
Brilliant how it tackles on what naive civilians think of our troops and combat, cringy on how I have actually met people like those two who think like that of our military.
This is really impactful actually, incredibly well shot and clearly worked on for a long time. Gives an extremely strong sense of the disconnect between civilian life and the life of someone who’s been on active duty
that part is true but the actors that are acting it out were just annoying EDIT* Now that I've seen the entire show since making this comment I realize the show itself was suppose to be like that because of his character and the atmosphere of the show itself, and if you haven't seen the show its pretty entertaining and I suggest seeing it
Jake Hall So doesn’t that mean the actors acting this scene out are aware of the disconnect in reality thus being able to portray it in the show, so in actuality they do understand how exactly modern combat works since their portrayal is spot on
@@TROD.. they probably understand that war is real life but they are acting like they dont which does bring light to how many people think its a joke and things like that it sucks
Spoilers below for the last episode of Barry! This makes me chuckle so hard after hearing (Movie version) Barry's first line spoken on the final episode.
for what I know marines are soldiers, they just don´t call themselves soldiers, there´s like a proud of being a marine. They are practically soldiers tho, its just a context thing.@@augmentedsupersoldier
2:27 this cut that happens right here is fucking beautiful. Legit we see the sniper gun kickback in his flashback for a split second. Seamless as fuck editing.
I probably shouldnt say this but my granddad who was in Vietnam said when he killed people he really didnt think much about it. Infact him and his buddies would boast and laugh about the amount of people they killed and how they died. It wasnt until years later did it start effecting my granddad.
Those memories keep coming back and without proper help can increase the grips of ptsd. He had it from the start but he thought about the event differently because it was life or death.
My dad was a ranger in Nam, and while he wouldn't get into the details with us, he never expressed any regret about what they did. All of his PTSD came from friends dying or sensory shit like hearing gunshots or helicopters.
The hardest part of war is everyday after... You see life differently as you get older... I'm not the same person now that I was when I 20... I'm not the 20 year old savage anymore... We just did what had to be done and moved on... I'm older now, the memories are still there... The only thing that's changed is me... Guess I got older, more civilized... I really don't know... It's not that the 20 year madman disappeared, he's still there... We just keep him restrained... It's exhausting... People have no idea who they "could" be dealing with...
@@mrgabest probably a big reason why USA lost tbh. If rangers don’t care about the kill, and each little victory is David v Goliath for the Vietcong, of course USA would fail worse than France
Ignorance is bliss for those acting classmates.But still bless them to be able to feel like their interpretation is how things actually happen.I haven't served but come from a family who have served. My grandpa was a sniper and he said similar to this scene that there was nothing more rewarding then pulling off a shot but at the same time there was also nothing more devastating.Knowing you took a life before they even knew what happened.Knowing that you are both impressed with the shot you just made and happy you are still alive.And wondering what kind of monster are you to be feeling such things.Your actions on the battlefield never hit you cause you are out to survive.But its after when you think you are finally safe and when you are least expecting it.Their souls come to haunt you.He always was glad that people that dont serve never have to feel things like that.That it is the brave men and woman who serve,their burden to bare for us.God bless them all past,present,and future.
While visiting my gf in the states I noticed a lot of the neighboring homes were being purchased by ex military. Apparently one them (Marines) has such bad ptsd he is locked in a separate room from his family at night.
I’m glad they chose Barry’s background as that of a sniper because I always hear how that is the single most lonely and mentally difficult job in the military.
Henry Winker is so amazing in this scene, I love the way he rolls his eyes to his two students. This show is so great at the small touches around the main scene or actor.
The reality is...what actually happened and the way it happens, stops you from thinking about the next steps. The distraction through dark humour ensures you mentally survive.
Julian Martinez I’m ex forces myself, dark humour helps you get through the shit. Most people will never see or do half of what service folk will and I’ll include police, ambulance and firefighters too. Here’s an example that stood clear in my mind for two+ decades. It was an extract from a book called don’t cry for me sergeant major. There’s a moment when the parachute regiment are under mortar/artillery fire from the Argentines during the Falklands conflict. Then a young para is hit, starts screaming “ my leg, my leg, I’ve lost my leg” ...his mate in no uncertain terms replies, “don’t worry, you’ve not lost your leg, it’s over here”and held it up. The first paras leg had been blown off from bombardment, and in the mess of battle his mate not thinking just held it up as if to say well, you’ve not lost it, I’ve got it, although the first soldier had indeed had his leg blown off and “lost it”. The sergeant/sergeant major who overheard the exchange vividly recalled the moment in the book showing how dark humour helped to relieve/stem/stop the situation going far worse. The screaming started calming down, his mate started methodically helping him with emergency care. Rather then both going into shell shock, hyperventilating and being unable to function because the initial panic had been stooped. The most sincere yet daftest of moments quite often stop situations going off the rails. It’s a common theme in high stress situations.
I really don't get people who go to so called crisis zones voluntarily during peace time and then dare to compare their actions into the actions of people, who actually went to place their life on the line to protect all of our freedom, who help people out from burning buildings, who resuscitate people from the brink of death. They live a constant life of denial. First they insist to themselves that they are going there to protect the freedom of their nation and by going there they cover a better position to themselves in the society, while at the same time they take an cavalier attitude towards killing people at their own nation and they get frowned upon by the majority of their own countrymen because they choose to go there in the first place with violent intentions. Then they insist to themselves that everybody in there is a potential target, while at the same time the potential targets are thinking that what excuses the occupiers are using this time to hold them at gunpoint. Then they insist to themselves that the poeple in there are the bad guys, that the "bad guys" started the whole thing, it's their fault that occupying soldiers are there, while at the same time the soldiers are being used to secure assets and resources which will not actually benefit them in any way ever and infact will only cost them more and more and will eventually just cause more trouble than they are worth when they get back. Then they pull the trigger/push the launch button/press the foot pedal and see someone dying by their own actions and immedialtely realise that it's all bullshit, but keep patting themselves in the back with the rest of people who are there for the same reasons. Seems to me that it's just an vicious circle of denial and self betrayal, while at the same time lying to all the rest about it all. I have not watched this series, but that scene to me was about the things I just wrote. In the scene Hader's character kills two people cold blooded based on a stupid hunch. He realises it and don't wan to go through it, but ends up killing two possible/likely civilians just because someone else justifies it to him - and you type a comment about dark humor as an distraction. SMH.
This is one of the best shows out there right now. I’m so glad I gave it a chance. The mix of drama and comedy, it’s so naturally and beautifully done. Made me almost cry with a smile when Gene says “alright I’ll see you tomorrow at the next class”
@@jcbriefly4250 lol no, its a term used by people who talk about someone that has killed before, and have issues with it and have a blank "stare" that seems to go for "1000" yards. 3:44 that type of look, where people are talking to you and all you are doing is being inside your head... staring off into nothing.
I don't know if Barry was necessarily happy, perhaps indifferent of killing someone. But I can understand why he would be apprehensive on sharing his squads reaction to his accomplishment, it would be taboo to relish on death, even if it's a stranger half way across the globe. If you notice, Barry's reality is focused on his squad's reaction, whereas the acting of Barry's story is focused on Barry himself. Perhaps both are true, maybe Barry did initially feel remorse, but was drowned of the attention his fellow soldiers gave.
@@romanmanner I don't think that's what usually digs at veterans in moments like this. In my admittedly limited experience there isn't a veteran on Earth who give a crap what's taboo anymore, after their tour. I think he's troubled by the contrast, and the sheer, staggering gulf between what did happen and the things that would make sense to people who haven't been there. It's like trying to explain green to an alien race without eyes, but these people are just like him, minus one particular chunk of their teens and twenties. There's not a way to explain all that in language. It's not that it's taboo, but that it's insanely difficult to go through every rule of an entirely different world.
Amazing scene. The contrast between the reality and imagined scene is one of the most profound moments of this series. Funny, dark, sad... it has everything
When the people he’s with start chanting his name and clapping right after he shot those guys, that’s exactly what Ryan does at the bar in the first episode and I think that’s why he looked so shocked then because he was remembering that
I really like how the scene basicly shows the guilt barry has. A contrast of expectations of being human and the reality. As a person who never really excels socially, i can really relate to the feeling how we want to be viewed as a normal human being.
@@oopsiepoopsie2898 I think he is feeling guilt. At the time the killings didn't affect him, but they're starting to because he's seeing how "normal" people feel about death and murder, exaggerated though it might be in the confines of an acting class.
"There was a rebel village five clicks down the road. Word came down from Top Brass..Make-it-DISAPPEAR. We. We didn't know any better. We were KIDS. I watched myself pick up the flame thrower And I Just. Went. OFF!"
It's so bizarre that people see this clip and think it's meant to portray "civilian ignorance" or something like that. Look at Hader's face remembering the incident. This scene isn't mocking civilians; it's a damning lament for the heartlessness, even inhumanity, that war breeds.
but it is literally showing civilian ignorance. who thinks soldiers break down crying every time a soldier does what they are trained to do. no army could ever function like that. whether its intentional or not, if civilians think thats actually what happens then they are naive.
@@ge2719 It shows civilian ignorance in the sense that yes, civilians are ignorant to the truth of the mindset of soldiers during these situations, but it's not MOCKING them, which is worth pointing out. Barry doesn't correct their portrayal, because he knows that it's how he SHOULD have felt in that moment, and that the truth is horrifying. He SHOULD have felt at least somewhat reflective of the fact that he just killed three people who for all he knew were just civilians themselves, but not only did he not feel any negative emotions, he felt pride and joy over his "accomplishment", because it made him feel validated to his fellow marines
@@qualicumjack3906 what side of the coin are you talking about? because this isn’t footage, this is a written and produced show. the scene relies on writers, not soldiers. you don’t need to be in the military to absorb and interpret a piece of literature.
This isnt even close to how brutal and bad ass barry is. This scenes prolly the least cool one lol. Its a dark comedy too, lots of humor and lots of action and a few dashes of inner turmoil.
This scene made me so fucking uncomfortable. I wanted him to say "no", I wanted him to get mad at this ridiculous portrayal of his life. But holy shit, it is an incredible scene. The parallel of his acting class giving him praise with the praise he got from stone-cold, long range killing, the absolutely bone-chilling realization that killing probably got him the closest to a family that he'll ever get, and again, the absolute *discomfort* of the scene all combines to make it just so impactful. I watched Barry after it ended because I never read anything about it except the premise and I assumed it would be just kinda goofy and funny. I feel like I owe Hader and Berg and everyone who worked on the show a written apology. This show tore me to pieces.
I love this scene. The classmates act out how a normal person would react to killing someone, and he says that is how it happened. But in reality they celebrated his kills with laughter and cheers, at the same time he's starting to rethink how he feels about killing so many people. It's beautiful.
Idk what this is or why its in my recommendations but I’m enthralled. Two random things i love. Veterans in society and comedians playing serious roles. Youre damn right I’m gonna watch this on whatever its on
I'm sure a part of him at the time WAS proud that he pulled it off. Being cheered for an achievement is something we all like. And I'm not a Soldier but I would expect that taking down a target would have a more light hearted reaction, because if you make every kill important, then war would take forever and nothing would be accomplished. So I would expect soldiers to have a sense of humor about death, since any day could also be their last. So yes, Barry at the time felt proud. But once he distanced himself from the situation, and let it ponder and ruminate, did it start to actually take effect on him. It was a great moment but when he started to really let it set in, he did indeed take a life, a person he never once met. That can change you, dont say it wouldn't.
It actually feels like winning a contest or fistfight. Very triumphant. It gets weird when you think about it afterwards. People are like mogwai. Every last one of them is a born killer or you would not experience the emotion anger. It was one of the three tasks ancient man had to do to survive. It is deep.
Nice to see that this clip is reaching people who haven't seen the show unlike videos that only reach the existing viewers and what a amazing scene they choose to promote. The show is currently the best there is.
I honestly wish Barry just straight up told him what its really like. So the actors srsly feels uncomfortable and awkward to get it completely wrong with their perspective assumptions....
I love this scene. I was both laughing and cringing at the performance of the two actors. Just great. I dont know if that's how it happens in the military either, but the contrast is amazing and I can definitely relate it to stuff I've seen. Really makes you feel for a freaking hitman.
I love that he calls him "a human ice box" and THAT marks the moment where all the emotions he'd repressed for so long start to sip through the cracks in his soul. The subtler it is the harder it is to write, and Bill and Alec are fucking, masters of emotional writing. I know I'm learning from them as a writer, I don't know about you.
I've heard of Barry, and this is the first scene I've watched. I was in the army for four years. I'm going to watch this show now. They get it. They understand.
Great job Mr. Hader. I am beginning to believe there is not much that separates the comedian from the warrior. You demonstrate a deep contemplation of life and death. Well done.
I love this scene. You hardly ever see examples of this. How sometimes being cheered for something can be so much more traumatic than being condemned for it. I also like how Barry isn't lying, but can't be honest either.
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The disconnect is incredible between what they think and what happened.
That's the obvious take, sure. What's really important is that Barry gets cheered both times - on tour for killing three targets and on stage for lying about not only the number of targets but how it ended. Acting is 'the search for truth' - in your characters, in the personifications you play and in the ideas and feelings you share with your fellow thespians and the audience. Barry's truth is that he's been acting human this whole time when in fact the machine of war allowed him to be the only thing he's ever been good at and while he's completely lying to his fellow thespians he is finding out the real truth of himself. Meanwhile the Chorus (those in the audience) are shocked and numbed and don't know which story is true - the one acted out or the one not spoken and all they can eventually do is cheer for the dude supposedly taking his shot at honesty on stage.
The disconnect really be like that though.
the thing is, i think that is how he felt inside but couldnt express due to his environment.
@@zembryoz FARRRRT lol not at all... But that's exactly what I would expect one of the "actors" to say about Barry. The scene has absolutely nothing to do with who Barry is at all. It's about Barry's environment. Barry is completely aware he is a machine of war, hes not discovering this... He's trying to "un-program himself" and learn what behaviors people impulsively act on rather than calculating themselves into.. He doesn't care that they are wrong and that he is lying. If anything, Barry is taking notes on "how he should feel" about the situation... That and the distinct differences between your environment motivating you to act versus prohibiting you.
dandini0698 2 combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan here, and I absolutely agree with your comment. We become who we have to be to survive, as well as those around us. The bravado and excitement soon ends after you return home, and you then have plenty of time to think about the things you did to survive. This, above anything else, is why I believe the veteran suicide rate is so high in this country. Great take on this clip.
I love this scene so much. What gets me every time is that everyone assumes his horrified staring in the distance is him regretting killing those people, when in actuality it's him terrified at his own ability to kill and *not feel bad about it* .
It makes me wonder if indifference towards death by one's own hands is even something that could be worked out. What happens when someone logically knows how they're supposed to feel about something but just.. can't.
@@cavemanzach9475 I came across a former soldier that jumped into Panama... He seemed to me the only man I knew that dealt real death. Had the indifference, then reflection phase, self destruction, then he came out at the other end as whole as one can be. Think all soldiers have those phases at some point.
@@dollarcostbackpacker1226 Well, not really. Many of them just stop at the self-destruction phase and never get out of it.
Nah it’s about the military culture and group psychology in general
Not feeling anything after is fckin scary
His giddy expression when he’s being excepted and cheered by the guys really f-cks me over. His association with killing was a feeling of warm friendship and comradery and that’s what made him into what he became. You can even see it on his face in the scene. He barely knows what social interaction is and then he gets a taste for it and immediately changes forever because of it.
It’s terrifying cause I don’t think I’ve seen him smile like that ever during the entire show atless not to that level of disturbing amount of cheer at killing 3 people
Dang was not expecting to see you here, but then again you are a complete human being with interests and a personality, and not just the “short-film/funny-video-guy”.
Wild.
Accepted*
thats kinda the point
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I absolutely love the touch where the acting coach rolls his eyes at the two. He's barely paying attention to them and is totally focused on Barry. He wants to get the real story and real emotions, not the cliche version.
he sent them up there to do what they did
"Wants the real story" - Does the most distracting, inhuman, unnatural thing a person could do in pursuit of the real story.
you got the absolute wrong read on that brother
@@lost524 How so? You saw what he did. He asked them to go up stage? Please enlighten us about this subtle nuance (delusion) you claim to see. (Schizophrenia.)
@@moshymosh he literally sent them up there dipshit, and then asks at the end “is that really how it happened?” referring to what the two actors he sent up played out
this isn’t complicated but might be for someone with a small brain
I'm going to be honest, those two clowns pissed me off.
Nolan P. Smith why? The point of their acting was to be naive in the way that it happened in contrast to his actual experience
I think that's kind of the point.
Same here bro
I actually liked it, it shows an actual side of war that civilians don't normally see. Soldiers kill, if every soldier breaks down crying every time they kill an enemy we would be a truly pathetic nation. Civilians hear somebody killed a human and assumes they automatically break down and have PTSD for the rest of their life, which is actually something that develops after the incident, usually within three months but you're normally not going to experience symptoms immediately. You can see the adrenaline in his face when he's about to take the shot and afterwards, I think it captures a magnificent psychological take on the views of the military versus the rest of the world. I like to imagine that his thought process was "Oh shit I probably shouldn't say that part".
That's the entire point.
The way he looked so giddy after getting approval from his mates made him look almost childlike. The way Hader portrayed this character is brilliant.
I think that's a big indicator as to the motivations of Barry. He doesn't do anything for himself, but to feel the acceptance from his peers.
He only joined the acting class after feeling great from the applause of the acting class with Ryan Madison. He killed more than necessary because of his fellow soldiers' words of encouragement. He continues as a contact killer because of Fuches' words of encouragement.
Barry himself doesn't really have a sense of morality otherwise.
EXACTLY
Bruh that’s how it is. Child ass minded soldiers dude. I was in the military. Trust.
Not everyone I mean. But there are some youngins. There was a 17 year old who graduated early to join in boot camp with me.
@@vdoza33are there many guys with ADHD on the corps?
This is one of the most beautiful scenes I have ever seen. The accuracy is insane, whoever their military advisor is needs all the credit. This is the Marine Corps mentality.
Kinda feel sorry for them in the end
Not just Marine.
US Army Infantry has the same. It's just a job.
Except for the pronunciation of Sangin.
I just watched series again and this scene vs. Season 1 when Barry kinda freaks out over Macbeth is kind of brilliant. Everyone knows and even respects Barry is fucked up from "the war". Yet I remember talking to real Iraq combat vets and they were almost ecstatic, talking about picking up bodyparts after bombings (they just had a lot of raw enthusiasm, even if it was fucking them up on some level,) old Apocalypse Now conundrum, well-observed.
That, that, right there, is the definition of loneliness. When those around you cannot possibly even conceive of things you see or experience.
Brilliant comment.
Empire? False Reality? I don't know if you loaded that comment hard enough, @@jonnovak6856, someone might think you were being objective. 🤣
“I used to think the worst thing in life was to end up all alone. It’s not. The worst thing in life is ending up with people who make you feel all alone.” --- Robin Williams' character in the movie 'World's Greatest Dad'.
This comment encapsulates exactly how I felt after getting back
@@KristophskyKooper I hope you are okay and wish you the very best.
It's a lot of the little, nuanced mistakes, like the actors calling each other "soldier" when Barry was a marine, that really makes this scene.
those actors would call sailors and airmen soldiers too
The fucking finger on the trigger of that M40 drove me nuts. That rifle would have went off the MOMENT that safety dropped.
@@jonwinfield9193 I bet you are fun at parties.
Context for those unfamiliar, Marines are Marines. Marines are soldiers at the root of it, but you'll never hear a marine call one of their own 'soldier'. Marines take very distinct pride in their spot in the US armed forces. Once a marine, always a marine.
@@Rixoli I've noticed this detail in some video games as well, i know its a little off topic but just a side detail lol
I love this because it’s a clear difference between reality and how the media thinks it goes down like that
Jack Niere is this show not media?
What I meant is Hollywood
this IS hollywood
_Most_ media
These dense mfs replying to you obviously don’t know what “mainstream media” is
Honestly I think my favorite part of the scene is Barry's CO repeating "No, no, no," as Barry takes his second and third shots. It sets the expectation that they're going to be abhorred with what Barry has just done, especially when paired with Hader's expression in the present, but really he's just in shock that Barry is that good a shot. It's even more effective on each successive viewing, because he's already displayed a cold and indifferent attitude towards killing enemy combattants. The first time I watched this episode I assumed Barry killed civilians.
It also pays off really well in the later flashback wherein he actually does kill a civilian.
It really builds up that like everything else too fast sports, too hard in a fight, to slow in music, when there’s too much malpractice of training you for what you have to do you might be more prone to a slip in judgement later on due to what you’ve been used to
Barry did kill civilians, there was no official military the US was fighting. Just a bunch of civvies with guns and goats. When everyone owns a rifle, who exactly is a civilian? It's sort of like how Israel bombs hospitals and says the insurgents were using "human shields" Well yes they were, because you destroyed all the military buildings already, so they can only hide in civilian areas.
Remember "acting is truth," "use it," "you don't have to know what child molestation is like, you just have to know what it's like to hurt someone."
Bill Hader really hurt someone and he's using it...duh? I mean I wouldn't have even wondered if it wasn't brought up 15 times as what acting is, and then it kinda went nowhere, for Barry, if not Bill Hader? What's "murder"? It's the worst thing Bill Hader ever did to someone. By the logic stated on the show a dozen times. Here's what it might be:
"Can you give me ANYTHING?"--Sally to Barry, in that scene that won the Emmy, after he murders his old marine buddy, with the agent in the audience.
The biggest literary agent in the world had requested my novel--the real "Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs" from "South Park." The book that makes you puke, that's inexplicably REALLY good. Bill Hader was there, in the "South Park" writer's room.
That was a parody of a real book--that's why that episode made no sense, and people still ask Google if it's real, somehow. I had mailed it to the voice of Towelie. I thought I had enough evidence (there's even more, now.) But nobody believed it? Or understood? Or cared? For "South Park" to even notice some guy's novel was a miracle--yet I could explain how it happened at every stage. Got their attention with something incredibly disgusting, funny and vile--then people kept coming back from reading it saying it was some kind of highbrow literary masterwork, and it felt like a comedy sketch.
"Guys, this is MY LIFE. I don't want to sue you. It's the coolest thing in the world. Salman Rushdie's agent requested it because this literary genius Stanford neuroscientist basically said 'I think it's like the best thing I've ever read?' like an idiot, like the episode. He's talented, you guys are actually talented, this book is weird and nobody ever thought it would sell, it means EVERYTHING TO ME. I love you. 'They did a 'South Park' about it' already makes it more relevant to pop culture than 10,000 pieces of shit no one cares about. Can you give me ANYTHING?"
Cold. Like killing Chris. Under orders, like the Macbeth scene from Season 1--"South Park" guys didn't want to get sued or then, have it be known they were dicks like that. Unfortunately for their personal brands, they just can't help themselves: they put everything in the show. From my book, to Bill Hader screaming at Trey Parker about his personal brand in 2012, to feeble-minded Reddittors who just think the TV is talking to me (my name is "Rick"--the season finale of "South Park" was just saying my name as much as possible--48 times, tied with "a," I analyzed a transcript--the TV is literally talking to me! That's the joke! You can go watch this right now, it's called "Spring Break.")
I don't want to destroy his reputation, but since he's made pretty clear he'll never admit this, now, should point "can you give me anything" and "Chris looked up to you" are not there for the audience, really--any viewer would almost nitpickingly point out the Chechen guy looked up to Barry, not Chris--no, it's there so Bill Hader can win Emmys, "using it." It really is kind of a scumbag move! And Barry is convincing that way: the guilt is fucking real, over SOMETHING. He obviously wrote the first season around that one scene. "I have this great emotional shit from when I felt like I ruined this guy's life. I can 'use it'!" Hader's great performance as a scumbag IS in itself scumbaggy, in a feedback loop.
But this is America, and Bill Hader IS a good guy, now--cuz he's on fuckin' TV. And I'm gonna use it.
Bill Hader felt like he murdered the guy who wrote the real "Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs," which is actually called "Bebe's Tale" (like the "South Park" character,) which is why the character Bebe beat the shit out of Butters' "personal brand" last season. Butters sometimes stood for Bill Hader! They were worried this story would make them look like dicks. But between "Barry" and "South Park," I don't know which series of confessions is more obvious?
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@@emilysilttedGet well soon.
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Everyone in the comments is talking about how annoying the two classmates are, not how Barry doesn't correct them because he WISHES that's what happened. He wishes that's what happened because it's better than the truth: that a bunch of guys cheered his name because he killed three people, who for all he knows, might've just been civilians. Barry's trauma comes from recognizing in hindsight what they were celebrating, and how fucked up that was. He knows admitting what truly happened will horrify his class, so instead, Barry pretends that it went the way his classmates think it did. His teacher remains unsatisfied because he can see that Barry's hiding the truth and that in doing so, he's failing to work through his trauma and inner turmoil, blocking himself from unlocking his acting potential.
When in truth, Barry's standing there reliving a traumatic moment, while the two people next to him try - and fail - to portray what they imagine a marine's trauma looks like.
Perfect description!
This seems like what those actors would say if they saw this lmao. Reality is it’s just usually not worth the effort to try to explain to civilians what it’s like. They just wont get it because they got no experience on the matter and can't comprehend it, or they pity you because “look at the poor man trying cope lets thank him for his service.” Then u wonder why you opened your stupid mouth in the first place.
It’s rarely things like killing a bunch of randos that effect em for a very long time, if ever. Its way more common to have ptsd over things like your buddy dying in front of you, or the ringing in your ears from all the explosions and gunshots, or seeing a poor girl in being sold off by her dad for marriage to an old man to feed the family and thinking about your own daughter. Its never shit like oh no i killed a faceless terrorist from 700 feet away and celebrated a good shot and now these theater kids are really showing me the gravity of it all and how emotional and sensitive i really am.
@@williamkrause5831 yeah, but that is what he is saying. It is some sort of disconnecting, saying it is a faceless terrorist. Maybe it is just a father who joined the Taliban so has not to sell his daughter, maybe a civilian who was nearby and tried to help, someone who fought for independence and just saw their buddy die. Only because their are on the other side of the rifle doesn't mean they are less human, but a soldier had to make them less human to be able to kill them. If you see them as human and still be able to kill them than you are a psychopath.
@@magnajota4341 He's giving his thoughts about this scene about what happened in the show, im talking about the real life version of this. Some of what he stated were things I echoed, but I didn't get the impression that his point was the same as mine.
That and perhaps you shouldn't humanize the fucking taliban by acting like people join them for noble reasons. They're not exactly a paragon human virtue, nor are they representative of the average afghani. And its more than well known how they recruit men and what kinds of people join
Lol you are so wrong
The fact that they got the correct uniforms and even the correct issued sniper rifle for the USMC is actually crazy
Jack 001 not really they probably used stuff from jarhead or generation kill.
ONEIL311 doubt it, Jarhead was about desert storm when they still used chocolate chip camouflage, and Gen Kill is shit when the MARPAT was just being phased in so only a few of the characters had MARPAT in that show.
He also actually clicked off the safety
Ok well the rifle thing is sort of a given even tho now they are phasing out the m40 varients and bringing that ither one for scout snipers. Idk what its called tho
They probably did research
3 shots 3 kills at 700yrds that's professional marksman material right there damn
He was born to shoot
That's kind of the point of the character, the way i see it. Shooting people is the only thing that makes him feel competent and like a man, because of this core experience of finally being "one of the boys" in the marines. He doesn't know who he is when he's not a killer, which is why he gets into acting. He want to be someone outside of killing people.
lol what.....700yrds is long iron sight territory
@@oranguman8606 Maybe if you're just laying down cover fire with an automatic weapon on static targets, and you are comfortable with an average of 5'000 rounds per confirmed kill.
I'm sure that's why they put that rifle in his hand
One could say...
A shooter born in heaven
He looks so happy at 3:49, like he finally found the purpose and acceptance he'd been searching for all his all life.
Everyone expects him to hate himself for it and he can't help thinking, "The day I got my first kill was the best day of my life."
3:18 - James Hiroyuki Liao has a fantastic set of teeth. I wish I had teeth like that.
Idk man. The other fella's teeth at 3:28 are very nice as well.
SovietWomble, professional teeth inspector.
Wtf you’re here? 😂
take them
I bet he wish he had your left nipple if he sees it
notice how his right arm starts twitching when he starts telling the story? Gawd i love this show
Out of curiosity what does the twitching have to do with anything? Is it kinda of a sign of PTSD?
@@14Ramos14 It' a shooting arm, one assumes that yes.
@@14Ramos14 ya cause when people tell the story they relive it as in the show he had the flashback his arm started twitching im guessing its got something to do with muscle memory and most likely ptsd
Intense anxiety/stress can cause muscle spasms and shaking for a number of reasons. Seemed legit to me.
great observation!thanks
This is a great example of expectation vs reality
You think what scene is real?
Rymcu HD what he means is the civilians, the actors, see his first kill as a “oh my so sad moment” but what we see is a different side, the soldiers side; the reality.
Reality is often disappointing
@@mariuszwysmolinski5178 Barry POV. Actually spend some fucking time with a Vet man. They good people and people will judge them for shit they was forced to do. Nobody wants to do that but nobody knows what type of can of worms when you do. You either end up like Barry, that homeless dude sweeping up his tent outside the trash bin of Micky D's or you forget about it and move on.
Really this is realistic as Soldiers know full well what they are in for and act more like Frat Boys than anything else, hay even Knights acted like that so its almost tradition in the Military for thousands of years.
This scene is so brilliant, not only does it show the disconnect between civilians and soldiers especially now when we have a professional military (not many volunteers or draftees) but it also shows the effects war has on the psyche he didn't feel remorse, but the average person would/arguably should feel remorse for taking a life, the actor despite his ignorance is showing him what he should be feeling but doesn't.
it might not be a reaction to what they are doing. you might feel shame and self hate that your reaction was to feel good about it. Barry seems to have serious internal struggles about it even before the actors started. its a foreign though to people that haven't been there, but he goes through all the emotions on his own, blanking out the people around him, and when he comes to and sees the mismatch he cant find it in him to try to correct them from this cartoon version where he feels the emotions he "should" to the unexplainable version he actually had.
The modern draft is just poverty
"especially now when we have a professional military (not many volunteers or draftees)"
Literally every man and woman in our entire military is a volunteer. That's what having a professional military means, vice them being conscripts or draftees.
My therapist tells me not to should on myself
Not trying to be annoying, but you can’t have an army and also not have volunteers OR draftees.
God this scene is so powerful. I can't watch them cheering for him without a slight infectious smile because it's nice to see him get validation, but it's simultaneously heartbreaking that the first time he really feels seen and validated is after he kills three people and it's wrenching to see the glee on his face knowing that this is the moment that really set him down the horrible path he's on in the show.
I love how disgustingly realistic this is.
Lokey Windrunner those two civs on the stage are complete C R I N G E
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@@greatenemy2734 that was cringe
@Pri Belenoff You sound like a bitch who couldn't make it through IET. Drill kick your teeth in boy?
"... disgustingly realistic ..." is a brilliant description. Thank you!
Jesus. That was really good acting. I was an infantryman..
Ron Happold nice! You’re so edgy and funny! Downplaying someone’s service just stinks of insecurity
@Ron Happold fuck was that for?
@Ron Happold yea what a puss. how come this dude didn't just go Rambo mode and occupy unsafe areas by himself jeez
Glair & Thomas Beach Thank you for the service
@Ron Happold pussy
something non-mil people will never understand, you aren't ashamed of what you did, you're ashamed that you celebrated with your buddies over it and that it made you feel good.
why would you feel any shame over celebrating good combat
@@boogiespadina8375 Are you joking?
@@GutsyViceroy no
That's actually something I never thought about. Thanks
@@boogiespadina8375 You killed a person with a family, motives, dreams and most importantly a life that the person himself deemed worthy to live. If that isn't a reason to feel quilty I don't know what is
I watched this show with my brother, he said it is pretty accurate, you kill someone and it is a job well done... you don't cheer a bunch, but you will get a whisper of yes or someone saying it was awesome.
My brother didn't finish the show, also, call a suicide hotline if you guys ever need help.
Kid sisters aren't therapists, and we don't know how to help.
Thank you for sharing your experience, I am sorry about your brother.
As am I
A friend who served in Iraq described an incident where his unit was on a roof, I believe. A car on the street drove by, and people in the car were shooting out the window randomly, I believe in celebratory gunfire, aimed in the air. He opened up on the car from above, injuring or killing occupants.
He was later reprimanded for shooting when they weren't actually under fire. But the same colonel that did so, also gave him an "out-fing-standing shooting [marksmanship]" and a pat on the shoulder as he left.
When the job is to kill people and break things to further government policy, I don't understand why people think our guys are all going to be boy scouts who always check with the unit JAG to make sure it is morally and legally OK to shoot. War is hell, and the ones who can use violence then most ruthlessly and efficiently tend to be the ones that come out on top. We shouldn't be surprised when our "boys" behave accordingly.
This is why you don't start wars unless you are willing to annihilate the enemy as fast as possible, then go home. Because stuff is going to happen, warriors are not the peace corps, people who signed up to hand our candy to kids and build schools.
Some people continue to make sacrifices even once they've separated from service. I hope your brother found his peace and you, yours.
It's a surreal experience the first time. But by then you've spent months or years training and preparing for it. It almost feels like it all paid off.
It takes a long time to realize what you've done. But it's different for everyone. My grandpa never lost a single night of sleep. But he was fighting Nazis, freeing people and legitimately fighting for the free world.
I honestly can't figure out why I killed. It wasn't for freedom or the people that's for sure.
I really love this scene. Bill Haders telling what happened and the actors jumping to a over acted version of what they think happened filling in the blanks that barry doesnt say. Barry remembering a much colder and disconnect with killing someone and the actors thinking he reacted alot more heart broken and emotional is a very gripping and shows the parallels between soldiers and civis
I mean, every one's different, but from what i've learned over the years, talking to combat vets, the soldiers to their sides are more important the ones down the barrel, and they can live with that.
Ex coastie myself, and I know that any of my former shipmates would have put their lives on the line for anyone if the duty demanded it.
Not just soldiers, i'm a civilians and I understand that there must be a disconnect of some kind so you can stay on task.
@@Moneysreal and when they older they regret Killing people and cry, also never let your Job become Part of your identity "coastie"
@@bendover2684 hey man... i dont know how to say this. Im a vet, joined 2011 wanted to serve, career, 20 yrs whole nine yards. I got out 2017, honorable discharge. I went back to civilian life lost, angry, depressed...hell i am lost, angry and depressed... longing for something, anything to make me feel whole again. My folks said not long ago " don't let your identity to be rooted in your job" ...man when you said that...its like a bell rung. Call me crazy, silly, emotional, stupid, whatever but im sitting here in tears because i see what ive done. Rooting my identity in a job and not in who i am. I don't know if its thanks, or something else...but thanks man.
Colder? lmfao Barry's version looks like old fashion good times with the bros.
0:16 "Why don't you tell us about the first man you killed?" "There was a rebel village, 5 clicks down the road. Word came down from top brass: Make it disappear! We didn't know any better, we were kids. I watched myself pick up the flamethrower, and I just. Went. Off!"
Excludos I don’t get it?
@@papafloka I think it's from the video game Battlefield 1
This was an SNL sketch that he did. It was hilarious. Here's the link: ruclips.net/video/0xZ52mG1yIo/видео.html
Strange Charm it’s from Bill Hader’s SNL sketch where he’s a vietnam war veteran who suffers from PTSD and joins a ventriloquist class
Lol!!! Amazing!
Bill's smile of pride after his friends hyped him up was so adorable. It made him look like a 17 year old. Also I love how they made sure to pay attention to the little details. It's amazing. This show is one of a kind.
Never seen this show but god damn what a scene.
It's great. Even the presentation of violence, from the very first episode no less, is done realistically.
It's as much a show about reintegration into civilian life as it is a show about acting.
This scene was simultaneously brilliant and cringy as fuck.
its more disturbing than cringy
@@tedthecommenter5364 i think he's saying that because of the 2 actors there
Brilliant how it tackles on what naive civilians think of our troops and combat, cringy on how I have actually met people like those two who think like that of our military.
The two actors made me cringe I gotta admit.
@@popkorn904 thats intentional
This is really impactful actually, incredibly well shot and clearly worked on for a long time. Gives an extremely strong sense of the disconnect between civilian life and the life of someone who’s been on active duty
that part is true but the actors that are acting it out were just annoying
EDIT* Now that I've seen the entire show since making this comment I realize the show itself was suppose to be like that because of his character and the atmosphere of the show itself, and if you haven't seen the show its pretty entertaining and I suggest seeing it
Jake Hall So doesn’t that mean the actors acting this scene out are aware of the disconnect in reality thus being able to portray it in the show, so in actuality they do understand how exactly modern combat works since their portrayal is spot on
@@TROD.. Well yea but the "Actors" in the fake scene are annoying but Bill Hader did a good job portraying his character.
@@TROD.. they probably understand that war is real life but they are acting like they dont which does bring light to how many people think its a joke and things like that it sucks
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The moment his brain associated killing people woth finally receiving approval and affection was the moment his life was permanently ruined
2:54 I am impressed by Barry's self control. He did not snap her neck for calling "soldier" a marine.
Season 3-4 Barry would have
Spoilers below for the last episode of Barry!
This makes me chuckle so hard after hearing (Movie version) Barry's first line spoken on the final episode.
that sounds normal and cool
"ugh! I forgot how these things kick back" lmao
for what I know marines are soldiers, they just don´t call themselves soldiers, there´s like a proud of being a marine. They are practically soldiers tho, its just a context thing.@@augmentedsupersoldier
This dudes brain is on a 999 ping.
How so?
KELLA no hope taking walls then
Breh.
999 ping is bad...?
Now u just need one more like to reach 1k
It pissed me off with the actors "
Acting."
Its supposed to
I was hoping he’d go punch that guy in the fuckin box
Yup..
Fr tho
That's the entire point.
2:27 this cut that happens right here is fucking beautiful. Legit we see the sniper gun kickback in his flashback for a split second. Seamless as fuck editing.
I like how it’s Gene asking Barry about the first man he killed. Great foreshadowing in a sense.
I probably shouldnt say this but my granddad who was in Vietnam said when he killed people he really didnt think much about it. Infact him and his buddies would boast and laugh about the amount of people they killed and how they died. It wasnt until years later did it start effecting my granddad.
Those memories keep coming back and without proper help can increase the grips of ptsd. He had it from the start but he thought about the event differently because it was life or death.
i think, it's a way from disconecting from reality and not feel guilty about it.
My dad was a ranger in Nam, and while he wouldn't get into the details with us, he never expressed any regret about what they did. All of his PTSD came from friends dying or sensory shit like hearing gunshots or helicopters.
The hardest part of war is everyday after... You see life differently as you get older... I'm not the same person now that I was when I 20... I'm not the 20 year old savage anymore... We just did what had to be done and moved on... I'm older now, the memories are still there... The only thing that's changed is me... Guess I got older, more civilized... I really don't know... It's not that the 20 year madman disappeared, he's still there... We just keep him restrained... It's exhausting... People have no idea who they "could" be dealing with...
@@mrgabest probably a big reason why USA lost tbh. If rangers don’t care about the kill, and each little victory is David v Goliath for the Vietcong, of course USA would fail worse than France
Even though it's a show, this shows how absurdly stupid civilians are when it comes to how they view soldiers and war.
Exactly
There's a big difference between stupidity and lack of any experience.
That's called shitty education.
@@andyspendlove1019 It's like a cosmic rule that if you leave a comment on youtube someone is going to have an argument to create about it.
Never assume stupidity when ignorance will suffice.
Ignorance is bliss for those acting classmates.But still bless them to be able to feel like their interpretation is how things actually happen.I haven't served but come from a family who have served. My grandpa was a sniper and he said similar to this scene that there was nothing more rewarding then pulling off a shot but at the same time there was also nothing more devastating.Knowing you took a life before they even knew what happened.Knowing that you are both impressed with the shot you just made and happy you are still alive.And wondering what kind of monster are you to be feeling such things.Your actions on the battlefield never hit you cause you are out to survive.But its after when you think you are finally safe and when you are least expecting it.Their souls come to haunt you.He always was glad that people that dont serve never have to feel things like that.That it is the brave men and woman who serve,their burden to bare for us.God bless them all past,present,and future.
While visiting my gf in the states I noticed a lot of the neighboring homes were being purchased by ex military. Apparently one them (Marines) has such bad ptsd he is locked in a separate room from his family at night.
I’m glad they chose Barry’s background as that of a sniper because I always hear how that is the single most lonely and mentally difficult job in the military.
Henry Winker is so amazing in this scene, I love the way he rolls his eyes to his two students. This show is so great at the small touches around the main scene or actor.
The reality is...what actually happened and the way it happens, stops you from thinking about the next steps. The distraction through dark humour ensures you mentally survive.
Toza No.
@@ScrantonStranglerFan yes
I’m going to have to agree with Toza on this. I believe this is true for many people. Probably not for all, but for most I believe it holds true.
Julian Martinez I’m ex forces myself, dark humour helps you get through the shit. Most people will never see or do half of what service folk will and I’ll include police, ambulance and firefighters too.
Here’s an example that stood clear in my mind for two+ decades. It was an extract from a book called don’t cry for me sergeant major. There’s a moment when the parachute regiment are under mortar/artillery fire from the Argentines during the Falklands conflict. Then a young para is hit, starts screaming “ my leg, my leg, I’ve lost my leg” ...his mate in no uncertain terms replies, “don’t worry, you’ve not lost your leg, it’s over here”and held it up. The first paras leg had been blown off from bombardment, and in the mess of battle his mate not thinking just held it up as if to say well, you’ve not lost it, I’ve got it, although the first soldier had indeed had his leg blown off and “lost it”. The sergeant/sergeant major who overheard the exchange vividly recalled the moment in the book showing how dark humour helped to relieve/stem/stop the situation going far worse. The screaming started calming down, his mate started methodically helping him with emergency care. Rather then both going into shell shock, hyperventilating and being unable to function because the initial panic had been stooped. The most sincere yet daftest of moments quite often stop situations going off the rails.
It’s a common theme in high stress situations.
I really don't get people who go to so called crisis zones voluntarily during peace time and then dare to compare their actions into the actions of people, who actually went to place their life on the line to protect all of our freedom, who help people out from burning buildings, who resuscitate people from the brink of death.
They live a constant life of denial. First they insist to themselves that they are going there to protect the freedom of their nation and by going there they cover a better position to themselves in the society, while at the same time they take an cavalier attitude towards killing people at their own nation and they get frowned upon by the majority of their own countrymen because they choose to go there in the first place with violent intentions.
Then they insist to themselves that everybody in there is a potential target, while at the same time the potential targets are thinking that what excuses the occupiers are using this time to hold them at gunpoint.
Then they insist to themselves that the poeple in there are the bad guys, that the "bad guys" started the whole thing, it's their fault that occupying soldiers are there, while at the same time the soldiers are being used to secure assets and resources which will not actually benefit them in any way ever and infact will only cost them more and more and will eventually just cause more trouble than they are worth when they get back.
Then they pull the trigger/push the launch button/press the foot pedal and see someone dying by their own actions and immedialtely realise that it's all bullshit, but keep patting themselves in the back with the rest of people who are there for the same reasons.
Seems to me that it's just an vicious circle of denial and self betrayal, while at the same time lying to all the rest about it all.
I have not watched this series, but that scene to me was about the things I just wrote. In the scene Hader's character kills two people cold blooded based on a stupid hunch. He realises it and don't wan to go through it, but ends up killing two possible/likely civilians just because someone else justifies it to him - and you type a comment about dark humor as an distraction. SMH.
I know he's a comedian but I haven't actually seen him act. His good here (non-comedy) though.
It is often said that comedians often make good drama actors aswell due to both relying on timing and tone.
He’s on SNL
Super Bad.
Watch suicide twins.
@@Lady-Evonne77 Skeleton Twins. It's an amazing movie.
3 bullets.
3 kills.
700 yards.
That's like watching a your hometpwn team pitch a perfect game from seats just over the dugout on your birthday.
Plus back to back might ass well caught the damn ball on your birthday lmao
This is one of the best shows out there right now. I’m so glad I gave it a chance.
The mix of drama and comedy, it’s so naturally and beautifully done. Made me almost cry with a smile when Gene says “alright I’ll see you tomorrow at the next class”
He had that thousand yard stare
700*
@@Adlore I’m very late but what Constantine meant by 1000 Yard Stare, I believe he was referencing a sniper from a game called Destiny
@@jcbriefly4250 lol no, its a term used by people who talk about someone that has killed before, and have issues with it and have a blank "stare" that seems to go for "1000" yards. 3:44 that type of look, where people are talking to you and all you are doing is being inside your head... staring off into nothing.
@@spLiffyFOUR20 *1000 Island stare
I would have pissed myself if he broke out the "Tony from puppet class " voice
I half expected it
About Grenada
“I picked up the flamethrower...and just..went..OFF.”
"That's just snow, its not your gods damed stuffing! Washington!"
I DID WHAT I HAD TO DO
Dudes just trying to figure out how to keep the mask from slipping
“Natalie bring my car around.” Tosses keys 20 feet behind her 😂
Henry Winkler has been amazing in this show
3:30 Barry is troubled by how happy he was to get his first kills. He is concerned about feeling joy in killing.
I don't know if Barry was necessarily happy, perhaps indifferent of killing someone. But I can understand why he would be apprehensive on sharing his squads reaction to his accomplishment, it would be taboo to relish on death, even if it's a stranger half way across the globe. If you notice, Barry's reality is focused on his squad's reaction, whereas the acting of Barry's story is focused on Barry himself. Perhaps both are true, maybe Barry did initially feel remorse, but was drowned of the attention his fellow soldiers gave.
He was worried how the civilians would view him. That's all. He did his job, and he did it well.
@@romanmanner I don't think that's what usually digs at veterans in moments like this. In my admittedly limited experience there isn't a veteran on Earth who give a crap what's taboo anymore, after their tour.
I think he's troubled by the contrast, and the sheer, staggering gulf between what did happen and the things that would make sense to people who haven't been there. It's like trying to explain green to an alien race without eyes, but these people are just like him, minus one particular chunk of their teens and twenties.
There's not a way to explain all that in language. It's not that it's taboo, but that it's insanely difficult to go through every rule of an entirely different world.
@@romanmanner thats not a thing you think about in such a moment.
Never seen Hader in a serious role.. I need to watch this, it looks fantastic.
mynameisray it’s a dark comedy.i think it is petty good.
@@Throbtometrist - Ahh, I'm used to seeing bill as sort of a stooge.
Check out the movie The Skeleton Twins - he does a good job there.
@Ian Jones yeah the comedy comes naturally and blends with the story, it isn't forced or predictable, which is the only type of comedy I enjoy.
I was thinking the same thing. I like how the humor is so dark and dry.
Amazing scene. The contrast between the reality and imagined scene is one of the most profound moments of this series. Funny, dark, sad... it has everything
“Ah my shoulder”
This was my favourite plotline this season. Bill is such an incredible actor, even when he thinks he isn't good 😂
When the people he’s with start chanting his name and clapping right after he shot those guys, that’s exactly what Ryan does at the bar in the first episode and I think that’s why he looked so shocked then because he was remembering that
Top class acting. Even the 1000 yard stare was spot on.
When his Marine buddies are praising him, he looks just like a kid... I feel so sorry for Barry
Nobody was laughing out loud that day in granada
LOL. Perhaps my favourite sketch in SNL ever. Hader is the man.
what if that character is an old Barry?
@@petesmith9475 falling ice, with herb welch is on the same level :D
I really like how the scene basicly shows the guilt barry has. A contrast of expectations of being human and the reality. As a person who never really excels socially, i can really relate to the feeling how we want to be viewed as a normal human being.
More like the duality of man. I really recommend that you watch Full Metal Jacket
I don’t think he has guilt. He feels bad that he doesn’t feel bad.
@@oopsiepoopsie2898 I think he is feeling guilt. At the time the killings didn't affect him, but they're starting to because he's seeing how "normal" people feel about death and murder, exaggerated though it might be in the confines of an acting class.
@@redskullz1249 I think it is guilt of him having enjoyed killing, not the killing itself.
@@oopsiepoopsie2898that’s a form of guilt my guy
this is by far my favorite scene in this already brilliant show, it stayed with me and I believe it's a master class in writing character
3 shots and 3 hits at 700 is fucking stupid impressive to be fair
"There was a rebel village five clicks down the road. Word came down from Top Brass..Make-it-DISAPPEAR. We. We didn't know any better. We were KIDS. I watched myself pick up the flame thrower And I Just. Went. OFF!"
Never even heard of this show. As a Afghanistan vet. Thats a badass scene
Anthony White It's called Barry, it's a HBO show
Fuck civilians I fucking hate them
TheInfantry98 You’re a civilian asshole...
@@TheInfantry98 then why do you fight?
@@TheInfantry98 nobody cares
It's so bizarre that people see this clip and think it's meant to portray "civilian ignorance" or something like that. Look at Hader's face remembering the incident. This scene isn't mocking civilians; it's a damning lament for the heartlessness, even inhumanity, that war breeds.
but it is literally showing civilian ignorance.
who thinks soldiers break down crying every time a soldier does what they are trained to do. no army could ever function like that. whether its intentional or not, if civilians think thats actually what happens then they are naive.
@@ge2719 It shows civilian ignorance in the sense that yes, civilians are ignorant to the truth of the mindset of soldiers during these situations, but it's not MOCKING them, which is worth pointing out. Barry doesn't correct their portrayal, because he knows that it's how he SHOULD have felt in that moment, and that the truth is horrifying. He SHOULD have felt at least somewhat reflective of the fact that he just killed three people who for all he knew were just civilians themselves, but not only did he not feel any negative emotions, he felt pride and joy over his "accomplishment", because it made him feel validated to his fellow marines
That’s just what you think because you’re on that side of the coin
@@qualicumjack3906 what side of the coin are you talking about? because this isn’t footage, this is a written and produced show. the scene relies on writers, not soldiers. you don’t need to be in the military to absorb and interpret a piece of literature.
This scene is chilling. I love it so much
3:45 Barry getting them killstreaks for his boys
Mah boy Barry got that uav online
2:46 This is the most scariest face I've seen
I only know the basic premise of the show but this scene alone makes me want to go and watch the whole thing. This is such an excellent 4 minutes
I found this clip at random a few years ago, and it let me discover this show
I’m here after the finale, what an adventure
Ok, I gotta watch this show.
Been meaning to get around to watching it myself. This def sold me.
Almost commented the exact same thing.
This isnt even close to how brutal and bad ass barry is. This scenes prolly the least cool one lol.
Its a dark comedy too, lots of humor and lots of action and a few dashes of inner turmoil.
I want to watch it!! But i can't i tried watching it on prime but season 1 isn't available
😭😭😭 i'm really sad!!
That was the best day of his life. Terrifying. I’m so grateful to this show for scenes like this one
This scene made me so fucking uncomfortable. I wanted him to say "no", I wanted him to get mad at this ridiculous portrayal of his life. But holy shit, it is an incredible scene. The parallel of his acting class giving him praise with the praise he got from stone-cold, long range killing, the absolutely bone-chilling realization that killing probably got him the closest to a family that he'll ever get, and again, the absolute *discomfort* of the scene all combines to make it just so impactful. I watched Barry after it ended because I never read anything about it except the premise and I assumed it would be just kinda goofy and funny. I feel like I owe Hader and Berg and everyone who worked on the show a written apology. This show tore me to pieces.
I love this scene. The classmates act out how a normal person would react to killing someone, and he says that is how it happened. But in reality they celebrated his kills with laughter and cheers, at the same time he's starting to rethink how he feels about killing so many people. It's beautiful.
Idk what this is or why its in my recommendations but I’m enthralled. Two random things i love. Veterans in society and comedians playing serious roles. Youre damn right I’m gonna watch this on whatever its on
You are up for a treat!
I'm sure a part of him at the time WAS proud that he pulled it off. Being cheered for an achievement is something we all like. And I'm not a Soldier but I would expect that taking down a target would have a more light hearted reaction, because if you make every kill important, then war would take forever and nothing would be accomplished. So I would expect soldiers to have a sense of humor about death, since any day could also be their last. So yes, Barry at the time felt proud. But once he distanced himself from the situation, and let it ponder and ruminate, did it start to actually take effect on him. It was a great moment but when he started to really let it set in, he did indeed take a life, a person he never once met. That can change you, dont say it wouldn't.
It actually feels like winning a contest or fistfight. Very triumphant. It gets weird when you think about it afterwards. People are like mogwai. Every last one of them is a born killer or you would not experience the emotion anger. It was one of the three tasks ancient man had to do to survive. It is deep.
This is such a magnificant show, cant wait for season 3, which just announced to go live april 24.
I watched this show because of this scene.
Nice to see that this clip is reaching people who haven't seen the show unlike videos that only reach the existing viewers and what a amazing scene they choose to promote.
The show is currently the best there is.
The actors make me laugh.
They annoyed the shit out of me lol
I honestly wish Barry just straight up told him what its really like. So the actors srsly feels uncomfortable and awkward to get it completely wrong with their perspective assumptions....
@@MackeyDeeez This scene was meant to be taking seriously though and so is the message. Don't be so condescending
"War's fun until they start to shoot back" ~ My Granddad
“Barry? Is that what really happened?”
No. It was worse.
You're the best for posting these clips 💗
😊
One of the most disrespectful things anybody can say to a Veteran is to ask them about how many lives they had to take.
Sadly that's a lesson most have never learned.
monokhem he said one of the worst, not the worst you goddamn idiot. Its not a matter of ranking, its a matter of one of the things you shouldn't do
Yeah imagine how embarrassing it is for many of them to admit that they didn't kill anyone. Truly crushing humiliation.
@@volvo245 That's why everyone needs to get one kill in even if they never join the military. Can't be caught slacking.
@monokhem God you're an asshole just looking for an argument. Lmao go on ifunny little 5 year old.
the editing with the audio from the past flowing into the video from the present is extremely well done
I love how happy he is when everybody shows him love. :D
Barry’s look to the re-enactment was priceless🤣
Whoa, I loved that, I'm definitely checking this show
I loved how they layered his comrades chanting over Barry standing there on stage, added so much more mental conflict in the situation
this show is amazing. i honestly cant put words to it but its just amazing!
I love this scene. I was both laughing and cringing at the performance of the two actors. Just great. I dont know if that's how it happens in the military either, but the contrast is amazing and I can definitely relate it to stuff I've seen. Really makes you feel for a freaking hitman.
I feel like Hader has wayyyyy more dramatic potential than anyone gives him credit for.
indulging a vicarious experience; a truly the central pleasure of entertainment... so visceral!
Great series i came upon last year and watched over a few weeks .
I love that he calls him "a human ice box" and THAT marks the moment where all the emotions he'd repressed for so long start to sip through the cracks in his soul. The subtler it is the harder it is to write, and Bill and Alec are fucking, masters of emotional writing. I know I'm learning from them as a writer, I don't know about you.
I just started watching this show after seeing this scene.. Amazing
the lack of tobacco and peeing in water bottles disturbs me
I've heard of Barry, and this is the first scene I've watched. I was in the army for four years. I'm going to watch this show now. They get it. They understand.
3:40 hey, it's janet!
Maximum Derrick!
Great job Mr. Hader. I am beginning to believe there is not much that separates the comedian from the warrior. You demonstrate a deep contemplation of life and death. Well done.
I love this scene. You hardly ever see examples of this. How sometimes being cheered for something can be so much more traumatic than being condemned for it. I also like how Barry isn't lying, but can't be honest either.
i'm so hyped for season 3, one of my favorite shows of all time