Did Barack Obama Create Donald Trump?
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
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Did Barack Obama Create Donald Trump?
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I find it a little frustrating that people look back at a presidency during a time of crisis and talk about all the things that didn’t happen. America had very real problems when Obama came into office. This country was on the verge of collapse from an economic perspective. Banks didn’t have money to lend. Trump is a troll and American has a race problem that it will never overcome. I disagree with Don Calloway’s whole perspective on this.
Totally agree. Racism wasn't born with Obama and has been here ALL THE TIME and will be here long after we're GONE! Why do you think it is SO EASY for america to rear its ugly head?
Where do you think the racism come from?
What country do this ninja live in? 😠😵💫.
@@jack1uptone963
The country has never fully dealt with its racism problem since the days or Slavery and Jm Crow.
It didn't "come" from anywhere.
It never left.
All good
Queen Karen exposed his reasoning as it was an individual/personal gripe. That is why her content is refreshing as she views from a collective standpoint.
"I'm Okay, but I'm not Ok with others not being Okay"
The Republicans that voted for Trump, the people that said never Hillary and didn't vote and people voting third party gave us Trump. We got the Trump because of us not taking the warning of what's to come seriously. We the American people took our foot for off the gas. Some people forget that democracy is a never ending fight. It's not something given to us. The blame will fall on the American voters again if he's reelected.
Indeed. As tempting as it is for some of us to vote third party because of our anger at Biden's handling of Gaza, we don't vote third party because there's too much at stake, i.e., voting rights, education, health care, climate change (Hurricane Katrina springs to mind), etc.
Well said!!!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
OMG all can say is ..... Barack did the best he could with unseen evil, him being naive, in the time he had and thinking people would join him in making the country a better place.
As much as I have criticism of Obama, the democratic house and senate in his first two years didn't push our agenda as much as they c I understand have .i.e. no voters rights strengthening, codify Roe V Wade, public health option and all the things Mr. Calloway said. Obama didn't listen to GOP who spoke their disdain for him in the beginning yet he wanted to reach across the aisle
@@AdultThirdCultureKid1971 more progressives need to understand this. Not rallying behind Joe Biden is no longer an option. Get behind him and vote!
why do we have to feel sorry for putting a great man and a great president like Obama in office. we need to appreciate black excellence no matter what comes with the blow back
Agreed,
Translation:
"I ain't gonna give no amount of critical thinking if he got my skin color, I ain't no snitch"
see, this is why we can't trust y'all black folk.
Great by what measure? Give me the mediocre man who will deliver what's needed.
Black Excellence is an insulting term.
@@deloresmatt8643 because that excellence false short
Building a party isn’t one persons job! It takes a coalition! People who failed to return and support during his midterms etc., were part of the failure of our party building. Don’t blame everything on president Obama.
It's always funny when otehr black people (like Don Calloway) expect a black man to be a Magical Negro, which is what White folks are always putting on us.
I would have Obama again!
Tracy I can understand that, Obama was superior to trump in every way, he was an impossible act for trump to follow. I believe the timing was set by putin though. Trump needed to win the 2020 so he lied and cheated ..... the following month when it was clear he was not going to win, putin invaded.
It wasn't a miscalculation, Blackness was his sole crime.
Please don't overintellectualize the simple truth that a Black President created this ridiculous backlash.
I've been saying this for years. Folks lost their minds, mainly because of their hatred, but because Barack Obama was everything that these folks were told Black people could never achieve. Barack Obama shattered the myth that they had been raised on of WS and their perceived superiority.
Thought about the backlash as soon as President Obama was elected.
AGREE wholeheartedly!! there is technically more to say, but I'll just leave it at that.
Exactly. The only thing that created Donald Trump was his blackness. I don’t understand the order critiques regarding his leadership, which I think is a completely different conversation. Correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t the Tea Party start right after he was elected?
Thank you for this. I tried saying the same things, but your words are much more clear and to the point. This is our, black peoples, problem. There will always be some of us who will validate the views of White supremacists. Yes, some things are true, but we don't need to talk on it because they will and they don't do this to each other. They stand together, especially in their mess.
Don't blame Barack Obama. Trump wanted to be president for many years, he went after Hillary as well and won.
Every time there is a march forward there is always push back!
Yep
Stop blaming Obama for not fixing all the problems of the Democrat party and all the issues black people face on 8 years. Geez 🙄
Nobody is blaming him. It's just an honest critique of his presidency.
SMDH. I have problems with Obama, but I would never trade his presidency for it not having happened. This line of discussion is why poor people remain poor. We want to join the corrupt elite rather than give all of us opportunity.
The point is Obama's presidency hurt more black people than it helped. It enriched Obama at the expense of blocking avenues to power and influence for black people. Whether you agree or not the perspective is about the masses and not the "success" of a single black individual.
Not sure how an Obama presidency was an opportunity for all of us.
@@xman9190well for starters he saved the economy after that warmongering owner of halliburton and his puppet bush nearly destroyed us all.
Agreed…..sounds kinda like crabs in the bucket talk. This is not to say that Barack’s presidency should not be critiqued. Why not do it in terms of lessons learned? Would love to see the day when we lift each other as opposed to tear down…
@@trinaewatkins2804
A lot of times it's the inability to receive the criticism in the context of lessons learned, rather than resort to self critical racist tropes, that's the real problem.
The only thing about Obama that soaked all of this mess now is that he is "Black". Nothing that he could've done would change that as much as we want to give articulate and professional sounding explanations. Yes, there are legitimate criticisms about him, but none of them would have changed the people that are causing the issues that we're doing today. It would have been the same for any black person who weren't fully kidding "massa's" behind. And Obama kissed their behinds, but not enough. Stay blessed.
There's legitimate criticisms of all presidents. I can't stand when people start off with that with President Obama.
This gentleman speaks very eloquently, however eloquency does not always translate into right. In this case I believe he is eloquently wrong. While I don't agree with everything President Obama did, I think we cannot discuss what he didn't accomplish without discussing the stonewall of Republicans who stood in his way in preventing him from achieving more. I suspect this gentleman may be a closet Trump supporter. Just my opinion.
1st of all, how were we 2 know ppl were so ignorant they'd Vote 4 Trump. I thgt ppl had common sense. I knew Trump was an A$$ & a Con since I was 10. I just assumed most ppl came 2 the same conclusion...I was horribly wrong. Obama had no scandals, was dignified, professional & cld put a sentence together. Was he perfect, ofcourse not but that night he was declared POTUS, it was a Beautiful moment in History that I'd nvr thgt I'd get 2 see myself. That feeling, I wldn't trade it 4 anything.
I disagree with your guest. And it’s never lost on me that when I hear these critiques of our former president that often times it’s coming from a gentleman who is Black. Which begs the question did they expect perfection or were they jealous/envious of his ability to draw in women namely Black women or the amount of women who believed in his vision for this country? While I listened to his soliloquy on the things that the former president could’ve done, I’m thinking in my mind what, sir what have you done to further the liberation and freedom of the community? And I’m sure he would be able to spout out for me all the work that he is doing all the work that he is trying to do and I can guarantee you there will be someone who would tell “him” he has not done enough Or that he should have done more. My point being our former president in my opinion, did more for me and my family than I can recall for any of the presidents before him. And these are all in terms of healthcare entrepreneurship education Black farming. Did his administration solve every problem we’ve ever had? Absolutely not, however, if given the opportunity to vote him in all over again, I would, without hesitation. Lastly, as I am sure that your guest is a good person, a hard-working person, I would speak the same of him as well.
How he put all that on Obama and not the other Presidents
Ahhhh, it's personal. Don Calloway didn't get what he wanted!
Isn't it always personal? If you got health care because of the ACA wouldn't that be personal?
I hate when she has this guy on remembers the same guy who loves Tim Scott this guy's a joke
I disagree Karen
Stop blaming Obama when people didn't show up for the 2010 midterm elections. Democrats have been failing to build their organization since Newt Gingrich installed his Contract on America. People (us) never demanded anything from Obama nor elected people that could support legislation to support the issues we desired. Face it we got the politicians, president, legislature and economy that we elected or failed to elected.
We didn't show up after Obama was sworn iN.😐
Don't forget the 2014 mid-terms that people also didn't show up for (....ostensibly to "teach the Democratic "Establishment" a lesson for not givng them a Public Option Healthcare law).
That's the singular reason we have an Alito-Thomas Supreme Court today with Trump's three toadies.
Obama's NEVER would have been elected twice had we not shown up. What did we get for showing up, TWICE? We're not responsible for what Obama failed to achieve or even tried to achieve.
@@xman9190You realize that voting twice in eight years isn’t enough right. Black people need to learn that a POTUS isn’t a dictator, he needs help to get wide ranging legislation passed. That means you show up to midterms, that means you vote in local elections. We don’t do that and then act shocked when our halfassed actions don’t lead to anything significant. Ever wonder why Republicans own entire regions? Their people show up and vote for EVERYTHING. They do it for DECADES, even if their policy wins come gradually.
I also believe that the 'progressiveness' of the American environment was overestimated. I never saw America moving from a Black man as a president to a Woman as a president. Too many changes that many people weren't ready for.
Agreed. Especially Hillary Clinton, who so many hated because she was such a smart woman.
@@tiffanywatson8316 white men WILL NEVER Have a woman of any color
rule this misogynist racist country. How do you think this country became great ? BY OPPRESSING WOMEN, INDIGIOUS PEOPLE, AND ENSLAVED AFRICANS
@@tiffanywatson8316Sorry, Hillary Clinton is not a smart person, but she is a wicked woman.
Why does this guy sound like he’s whining because of what he may have lost after the Obama presidency 🤷🏾♀️
Came here to say that...I remember him from his spots on "Rising"...same respectability politics nonsense.
@@chakabenson1896
Obama's entire game is respectability politics. Obama is in no way radical or anti establishment.
This guy is saying traditional black organizations lost power because of how Obama went about his business.
2:43 im not even an Obama fan after the aftermath but his presidency still meant alot to me when i was a college student.. i wouldnt trade it at all
I'm pretty sure Fred and Mary Ann Trump had more to do with that one than Barrack
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Obama always get criticism from Whites, Fox News, Newsmax, especially Black folks
That's not true at all. I'm very critical of Obama and am often out on an island amongst black people.
Obama gets little criticism from black people. Mainly because the blacks who are critical know they'll get hammered by other black people.
@@xman9190 Evidently you not in these RUclips streets every prominent black platform always going at Obama, Roland Martin, Dr Carr, Cornell West, White Liberals, All the Black Republicans do I need to keep going
@@dbo2200
I think you're overly sensitive. Amongst most black folks, criticism of Obama is very muted, especially those channels that market to a black audience.
Just the title of this clip made me "Hmmmm..."🤔🤔🤔
I never agree with Don Calloway and, I don't agree with now.🤔 He never seem to have anything nice to say about Obama. He needs to stop it because it makes him look very, very small.
Stop treating Obama with kid gloves. It's OK to be critical of Obama. Obama was a shield for the corporate elite. Look up these things: in him term Blk people lost 30% of our wealth with the housing crisis - he gave the money to Wall St. The midterms in 2010 wasn't just about the Republicans backlash. It was about pushing back from corporation corruption. Obama is not solely to blame, but he signed off on much of it in his terms. That said, all the president's after Kennedy were bad for American citizens.
He is Rep TS bud so that should tell everything you need to know.
@@lionness62-82 say what now?🤔
We put Obama in there but we didn't step up and give him a viable strong congress during his first midterm. We didn't vote in mass numbers to help him get things done. It's not his fault that southern blacks haven't stepped up for decades and put pressure on the politicians in their states. Obama was the first man of color and he couldn't go all out. If we ever get serious as a monolith and vote in massive numbers, no politician could ever hold us back. Blaming Obama is off key for our voting complacency and unwillingness to get involved decades ago
Most embarrassing thing is people think elections are only every 4 years. Presidents aren’t dictators, you can’t govern by executive orders because those always get overturned by courts. Obama had a republican senate for 6 out 8 years and had the house only 4. His hands was literally tied behind his back.
Also the gerrymandering was brutal for democrats after Obama won. Republicans saw the threat Obama was and went into overdrive to gerrymandering the state legislatures ensuring that Obama presidency was going to be ineffective.
There would be no Obama if black people had not gone to the polls and voted in record numbers for him. What Obama failed to achieve is on Obama, it's not because black people didn't make it easy for him to do.
Whatever misgivings I have about what Obama could have achieved is far more outweighed by the fact that his presidency is the most significant of my lifetime. Hit the ground running dealing with a horrible financial crisis, first to get national healthcare bill passed that is his legacy forever. All the images of that beautiful black family inhabiting the whitehouse for 8 years are unforgettable.
Lobbying shouldn't exist, even if it benefits your "side." Also, i agree with Karen. We need to take a long view approach when it come to progress.
He made me feel completely out of the loop 😮. I was like this is a personal conversation that I shouldn’t be in. The layers kept unfolding.
Obama entered the system as a constitutional base President Period. Knowing he has to be cautious of his position as the president of all the people not just as a black representative, we failed to give him a Senate & Congress that would help in the aid of a black agenda. Still, what we have in his vice that became president, and a white man, is to give HIM the position of having a house and senate to meet the challenges in the future....VOTE BLUE Period!
Don Calloway is on some BullS!! Classic Obama envy!
Thank you, Karen, for calling it what it is...club-ish. His issue is personal with President Obama legacy.
I don't think the miscalculation was just on him... His entire party didn't understand how sinister Republicans would be
I'm actually appreciative that he made those demons show their hands. I'll never forgive Mitch McConnell and hope he gets all of the karma he deserves.
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Blaming Obama for not "building the party" doesn't make sense to me. Sometimes we act as if there is no opposition.
I agree! He had to function in real time.
Exactly. He's only saying that because Trump reshaped the republican party. Trump made the republican party his cult. Can't blame Obama for that
If one believes that Obama was powerless to achieve any change, then why was it important to have an Obama?
Duh, there's always opposition. There was opposition to the civil rights movement. There was opposition to ending slavery. There's opposition to diversity, equity and inclusion. What's the point of being "brilliant" if you're not smart enough to figure out how to overcome the opposition? That's what we need our "brilliant" people to do.
An "opposition" that goes back as far the 1950s.
They knew if was just a battle when they said -- the south shall rise again! What do people think they meant when they said that? Coupled with the fact that there was no punishment for them -- only accolades.
It’s our fault time to wake up and stay woke because they are not sleeping 🤣🤣🤣
I know that’s right! 💯
Short answer yes, he unfortunately woke up the racists from their slumber. I constantly worried about Obama getting deleted but now I’m worried about democracy being deleted.
Facts!
45 been in the making by his foreign financial backers nothing to do with 44 imo
Obama...THEY understood it was just a battle NOT the WAR!!!! 👍
I appreciate that Karen and the lady from Maryland didn’t start out their comments with a disclaimer about what Obama didn’t do/could have done better. Even to this day I hear black folks still complaining about what Obama didn’t do for them. Have that same smoke for Trump and the Republicans who are really trying to destroy us. The Calloway guy lost me as soon as he opened his mouth.
The voting base miscalculated the fact that Dwight Folk would undoubtedly respond just like they did during Reconstruction
No he did not Moscow Mitch did
Karen, you're absolutely right.The battle never stops.
Karen really teasing us❤😂❤
Freedom is a constant struggle.
you are so limited (based on this comment...you have no clue what's going on politically).
Once again... Monday you speak against white supremacy....Tuesday you knock down Obama. I just don't get it.
We NEED to be MORE VIGILANT about the BACKLASH
5:01 Don and I are related and just like my Dad sometimes I completely disagree. I really feel like Obama did the best he could. Congress fought him at every step. Salute and Love. Yes I love that my Daughter main portion of her life saw the Obama's in power because she now has the discernment to know that just the way 45 speaks is horrific. And she can now vote and all her friends as well. 💯✅✳️🧘🏾♂️✳️ Don we can hear you... 🧐 12:32 pay is nothing. 13:09 you have to own it.
No his daddy did...
WoW! I have so much to say on this subject, but honestly can’t begin.
I think it’s everything that you are saying, but I think the black citizens are responsible as well for Donald Trump. The citizens should have been pushing President Obama and participating in these elections; in spite of racism, I believe he would’ve done more.
Nobody "pushed" Obama more than black people. Black people have always been his most loyal and vocal supporters. More black people voted in the elections with Obama than in any other election in history. Stop with the false narrative.
You can sling crack, play basketball, or be a poilitician/lobbyist?! What the hell?! First, it was being friends with Tim Scott and defending him. Now it's lobbying is good. I just can't with this dude.
I agree with KH, never been a Cat that loved clubs. Not a big fan of clicks. If they let me in, I'm leaving the back door open for the rest of you!
exactly!
Society is a pendulum. If it swings too far one way, it's going extreme the other way when it swings back.
Obama was a symbol. And that symbol scared some people. In truth, he was a moderate and was taking baby steps that many of us thought of as half-stepping. In private, according to a couple of Capitol Hill insiders, Obama would have conversations off the record where he told black leaders "you've got to push me publicly to get things done. I must be seen as a neutral arbiter." I don't know how accurate that is, but it makes sense to me. We must always push and not give away our collective power.
This brother Don sounds bitter about not having access.The black organizations he mentioned that had access to lobby on behalf of continuing to build for black people should be explained more what they accomplished per Obama presidency.
The fact that people think voting isn't personal is bizarre. It's personal, and it lends to a coalition of a collective. That's the base of the democratic party. Galloway is on point. Miving on, look at the 2010 midterms, Galloway's critique of Obama is evident in the numbers of 2010. Conversely, Occupy Wall Street took hold that time which had everything to do with bailing out Wall Street and not homeowners. Blk people lost 30% of our wealth. All that isn't on Obama, but he was the president.
Professor Hunter, I love you beautiful use of the English language, grammar... it's poetry for the ears!
I don’t like lobbyist. I completely understand and agree with Obama not associating with them.
Does anyone else remember how many people were predicting that Obama would be the last real presidency? I was pretty young but I fully expected a clown show was on the way.
I agree with you Karen 😏
The person who made donald trump is Fred trump ...... as the saying goes "give me the boy till he is seven, and I will give you back the man".
Black history is the pathway to the truth some can't handle the truth.🦅
Hey Karen, can you discuss JayZ teaming up with Republicans in Philly to take money away from public schools redirecting it to private schools ? You may have already discussed, but I’m oversea and don’t know how to access the show in full.
My mother says he should've waited. It wasn't the right time.
Please post the other part to this conversation, it is much needed.
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@@KarenHunterShow Thank you, Much Love to you and your show.
@@Khenum-MutMaaGebTheAlkebulania thank you!
U must NOT forget to remember the level of hatred that was the government itself. He was separated from ANY notion of blackness. He was head of an empire.
Quick criticizing Obama about what he did or didn’t do. Let’s see you become president and do better.
How can you not see individual Karen Hunter? That's where the demographics of the democratic party gets off base. That becomes binary and a reductionary response that hurts differences. Every Blk democrat isn't concerned with the same thing. New/young voters are not concerned with the same things as a baby boomer.
Yes he did that what I've been saying!
No
Yes! That's all i'm saying
As an activist, we try to get people to fight for their community! We try to get folks to fight for their city. We try to get people to work Collectively & the masses sit on their behind and want others to do the heavy lifting. President Obama showed the How To: and others did not want to put in the work. We have seen this before. They wanted to ride his back, and they did not want to put in the work!
No fox News did
No, the white lash from having Obama as president did, and we are still feeling the defects of it z
Wild thing is he wasn’t even FBA 🥴
This guy right here in the green shirt is our problem; it’s just a come up for them, the folk are secondary… far secondary
Barack dared Trump to run in public and laughed at Trump before Trump beat Hillary. I say that Barack fueled his run.
That’s exactly what happened
Obama . Birther . Tea party . Trump
So the answer is no. It’s all on Trump
I would like for us to no longer have a two party system. I want options. It is so frustrating, broken eggs or spoiled milk? I'm vegan. Give me another choice.
Yes...
A topic that can not be short-changed. If you're going to explore this topic issue, more time is required. There are too many working parts.
Glad I cut ties with the political parties. Obama was an exceptional man that was a president of a non exceptional country that he too often praise. He was too laid back for me.😑 George Bush, on the other hand was governor of Texas, so what was his excuse for his failure and other presidents that came before him. Blame Donald Trump's election on the ignorant people who didn't do their homework while listening to maintain stream media that catapulted him into the presidency. After all this county has been through, there are people who still want him for president. Is it Obama or the stench that has loom over America since its inception that would elect this man twice?
Off topic but I love the theme song. Does anyone know what it is?
The ability to listen even when we disagree with another point of view is something we can implement. Our aura of critical authority won’t stop if we just come up for air when airing out our point of view. Seek First to Understand . Effect Habit number 5 Listen actively. This was good because there’s more listening going on.
I see just by reading some of these comments people aren't ready to have an open, honest convo concerning Barack w/o their personal feelings getting in the way.
What's the name of this song on the intro of this podcast
TRUMP CREATED TRUMP...PERIOD
SUPER-HARD Disagree with your guest.
I get not being completely satisfied with Obama's presidency because the promise of what he was supposed to represent was ultimately not fulfilled (nor could it ever be in any realistic scenario, and I think that's where the problem with Obama lies with folks like Calloway).
But to then claim that his presidency hurt us (WHAT?) with regards to that and also that that disappointment ultimately outweighs the benefit of having him there at all, even at a symbolic level, is just beyond delusional and nuts.
In my opinion.
We may never get another black president in our lifetimes, sorry to put it so bluntly.
But that's the America we live in now.
And look at what it took for us to get the one that we actually got - a historic Recession on a level comparable only with the Great Depression and people losing their living, their homes and the literal shirts off their backs.
It's not only short-sighted but ultimately selfish and even childish to take the position that just because Obama's presidency didn't give us what we (each personally) wanted and he didn't walk on water while juggling with one hand tied behind his back (a standard the white people were literally holding him to, and not to any of his white predecessors before him nor any of his white successors), that it was therefore some kind of a failure of a presidency.
That's ridiculous! And Calloway needs to get his head out of his 'you-know-where'.
The man carried out his presidency with grace,....amidst all the obstructionism and racism and disrespect,....with honor and dignity, .......all while fixing a broken country with the limited tools he had at his disposal.
It heartens me to know that in poll after poll, among all all ex-presidencies, Obama remains the consensus most-popular among the living ex-presidents and third most popular after only Kennedy and Lincoln - and them two literally had to get assassinated to be top of the heap.
It’s crazy Obama had to check so many boxes just to be president. Majority of white people really showed their a** electing trump the guys who started saying Obama not American and asking for his birth certificate, sued by a lot blue collars workers because he never paid them, a lot racist rhetoric. It truly shows me that majority of this country would always vote against their best interests. And we should never white voters seriously.
I would never knock our first Black President, when I have been voting for presidents with no problem and were white..So watching him in Chicago as president, your guest can go with his take. Tell it to my ancestors, my grandma, my mother. Good bye who ever you are! Thanks Karen for pushing back some.
You’re right about that you know sometime people don’t see the big bridges and even we don’t see the big fish got the big picture is so big is vest huge goes on and on that’s our life it’s unfortunate, I see now that we are in the north see things different from those in the south!,,
Yeah. It's a vicious cycle. 😮
Don said something 👀👀👀🤔🤔🤔🤔i personally had never entertained about BHOs failure to build the DNC as a whole.
We are so far away from "next time" but I see some folks who could be ready to go by next cycle with the right direction.
Why does almost every podcast of yours end abruptly?
Ok who's music is that
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Girllllllllllll, stop, lol
Really.
I have to disagree with one thing. Obama would have beat the guy he was running against for the US Senate. He was way ahead in the polls. The Republicans gave up after Obama's first opponent dropped out they chose Alan Keyes a talk show host who didn't live in the state.
without the scandal? The seat wasn't open and he was the incumbent. But if you have the receipts for this view, please drop the link here. thanks.
@KarenHunterShow the seat was open Senator Fitzgerald had the seat he defeated Carol Moseley Braun and he was retiring Ryan one of the Republican primary to run for the open seat you can Google it and I live in the state of Illinois