Sometimes I hear stories of hunters tracking deer and looking for blood trails through swamps. My mentor taught me to break the deer down; just like you had mentioned. Now he’s eighty-two and I’m retired. Barnes TTSX are my preferred bullets. Recently I deliberately harvested a buck for a friend who wanted a batch of summer sausage. When I dropped the buck at the processor the lady checking me in was helping me drag the deer into the cold locker. She said, “You know this deer would produce a little more sausage if you hadn’t smashed both shoulders!” Sometimes your training just can’t be denied.
Ive tried the 100 and 120 grain barnes ttsx in 6.5mm, (6.5x55) and they’ve thoroughly put me off the brand. Put the 120 squarely in the lungs of a whitetail at the 120m mark and dropped it, only to have it get up and run off a few seconds later. Walked over to where the deer was standing in the snow and no blood, no hair, just a mark on the snow where it dropped, and no blood along the tracks as it ran. Best I can guess it just FMJ’d through the deer. Put a 100gr through a coyote’s lungs and he ran halfway down an 800m long stretch of cornfield before dying. Since then ive discovered Nathan Fosters research on terminal ballistics and am itching to put what Ive learned from him to use this season.
It’s about velocity and matching the bullet to the animals. You don’t need a copper projectile for whitetail let alone coyotes, but in a rifle that shoots well over 3000fps and if you’re hunting deer over 200lbs they work great. A varmint bullet at 3500fps is no good on an elk and a barnes at 2000fps is not ideal on a whitetail
Gotta love the stories of how a bullet was put exactly into the perfect spot and the deer got up and it was something else's fault. I heard a similar story of a man who said he put 3 rounds from a 270 into the size of a snuff can right in the lungs. He never found the deer but he just knows that that's where the shots landed.
I always put barnes through the front shoulder. The bullet is tough enough to go through muscle and bone without coming apart and gives it enough mass to ensure expansion. I also run them fast and light for caliber.
I got the Savage Switchback in 6ARC and threw it in a chassis. Stupid accurate for the price. 24" threaded barrel. I am getting over 3000 fps with 87g bullets
Great video, loading up some 90gr ttsx for my 6 arc trying to get above 2700fps with lever evolution…we will see. I use the 180 ttsx in my .300wm up here in AK and got an Elk on Afognak a little under 400 yards and recovered a perfectly opened bullet that only lost 1gr and it was probably the tip. Now you got me interested in the 80gr. Keep up the good work
I'm trying these in a Tikka superlite 243 Winchester @ 3350 fps. Haven't gotten to use them on varmints or anything larger. I usually use 100 gr bonded cup and core in 243 Winchester out to the furthest 420 to 425 yards. With excellent performance. I have also used the Sierra Gameking 85gr bullet out to 275 yards with around 50 yards before the buck went down. These run around 3200 fps. It did destroy the inside of this buck to where when moving sounded like a tub of water sloshing. Your testing is of interest here as it is hard for me to not use 90 to 100 grain bonded cup and core with the amount of game I have taken with it over 28 years of hunting varmint and whitetail. I have used the 100gr to 500 give or take on varmints with outstanding effect. Two different rifles used. One a Ruger 1/9 twist, the Tikka a 1/10 twist that I haven't tried 100 gr in for stabilization. Why the 80gr ttsx at this time. I have read the Tikka 1/10 doesn't like 100gr and up. I haven't tested but will in the near future.
I anneal mine depending which caliber I load for. I don't bother for the Lapua or 22-250 or 243 or anything over about 2600fps, but for stuff like grendel, legend, or 358win I soften them down to the pressure rings
We've been talking about it - nothing solid in the works yet but potentially. We do have several videos on 7.62x39 which has similar ballistics. Thanks!
The ttsx isn't the best in 6mm category. They're great I the heavier calibers. But the 6mm is too light and sheds velocity too quickly due to its low BC. I'll stick to 100grain partitions
I would love this cartridge in a mini action bolt rifle. It would get slightly more velocity and energy for those longer shots and give a little more headspace at these longer ranges. Do you think the fact that the Barnes expand with the petals more of and X shape than the bonded core's more mushroom or circular expansion make a big difference in energy transfer and killing effectiveness? I ask this because at longer ranges a high shoulder shot gives you a littles leeway for drift than a tight to the shoulder lung shot. When its a smaller bullet like this, blood trails get more difficult pretty quick.
I don’t think it would honestly. The bullets are spinning so fast that the petals cut a near circular shape anyway. It could do more damage if anything as it’s like blades spinning rather than a circle pushing through
@@devinb3397 Without being able to see multiple effects from the impact, you should remember that bullets start out at one turn in 10 inches down to one in 7 inches. Even if they slow down to half their velocity but maintain the full rate of twist you're still talking of one turn in 3 inches. Hardly the meat chopper effect you're intimating. Gel impacts show large spiral cuts that appear to extend the deeper they penetrate. So the rate of twist slows down drastically at impact. Remember that you yourself change your point of aim with these bullet. If the destruction surrounding the bullet track was the same you wouldn't have to change your point of impact.
@@denisleblanc4506 you have to remember that the velocity slows down way quicker that the twist. Bullets hold their spin rate way better than their velocity, so they’re actually spinning a lot quicker proportionate to their velocity at longer ranges
Can you guys try the Hornady 80 gr CX bullet out of a 243 pushing out the muzzle about 3400 if possible?? That's what I have my rounds tooned for. I would like to see the expansion tests you guys do just out of the 243 Winchester in a bolt gun. If possible please and thank you?
Bet you it’s great. I haven’t seen much of the CX but if you’re shooting deer 100-300 yards you probably won’t drop below 2,800-3,000 fps and it’s going to be devastating. No worries there. Although I think 80-85gr bullets really shine as “reduced recoil” options in .243 At like 3100fps. But I’ll never hunt past 200 yrds up here in the mountains.
I have used it in 6arc at about 3000fps and it was devastating. I made a high shoulder shot and within the 3 in it had to expand it absolutely exploded. They definitely expand better than the tsx's
@@livingintheLight. that's what's up! Sounds like you had good results. It seems like the Hornady CX bullet expands very well at lower velocities as well. The data I collected seems to expand well between 1800fps and 2600fps impact velocity. But if you crank up the speed to 3000fps impact velocity all of a sudden it becomes a copper grande. Acting like a lead nose soft point but the core shank of the bullet stays together and makes a pass through. So you get the best of both worlds of lead based bullets exploding on impact and extreme penetration from mono metal bullets. Seems like you are getting similar results. From the data I look up and read, I don't think there is enough case capacity in a 6mm ARC cartridge to get it up to, or even past 3400fps. This is where a bolt gun chambered in 243 Winchester shines. 6 ARC is usually in Gass guns and compressed loads are not great in Gass guns, however if you have a strong action you can definitely load up to max pressures and get bullets flying stupid fast! Remember all copper bullets are tuffer than jacketed bullets, bonded bullets can also be tuff, most people don't push them past 3000fps for good reason however mono-metal bullets smack!
@@EAZY-ME I have a 243 gas gun and I haven't tried them in it yet. I use a lot of barnes, but if I use them in a gun go in less than 2600 ft a second @100 I anneal the bullets The CX did good though it was a very powerful impact. Near varmint level expansion, dropped the deer in its tracks
Sometimes I hear stories of hunters tracking deer and looking for blood trails through swamps. My mentor taught me to break the deer down; just like you had mentioned. Now he’s eighty-two and I’m retired. Barnes TTSX are my preferred bullets. Recently I deliberately harvested a buck for a friend who wanted a batch of summer sausage. When I dropped the buck at the processor the lady checking me in was helping me drag the deer into the cold locker. She said, “You know this deer would produce a little more sausage if you hadn’t smashed both shoulders!” Sometimes your training just can’t be denied.
Great videos. You get to the point and have data to back it up. Keep it up!
Ive tried the 100 and 120 grain barnes ttsx in 6.5mm, (6.5x55) and they’ve thoroughly put me off the brand. Put the 120 squarely in the lungs of a whitetail at the 120m mark and dropped it, only to have it get up and run off a few seconds later. Walked over to where the deer was standing in the snow and no blood, no hair, just a mark on the snow where it dropped, and no blood along the tracks as it ran. Best I can guess it just FMJ’d through the deer. Put a 100gr through a coyote’s lungs and he ran halfway down an 800m long stretch of cornfield before dying. Since then ive discovered Nathan Fosters research on terminal ballistics and am itching to put what Ive learned from him to use this season.
It’s about velocity and matching the bullet to the animals. You don’t need a copper projectile for whitetail let alone coyotes, but in a rifle that shoots well over 3000fps and if you’re hunting deer over 200lbs they work great. A varmint bullet at 3500fps is no good on an elk and a barnes at 2000fps is not ideal on a whitetail
Gotta love the stories of how a bullet was put exactly into the perfect spot and the deer got up and it was something else's fault. I heard a similar story of a man who said he put 3 rounds from a 270 into the size of a snuff can right in the lungs. He never found the deer but he just knows that that's where the shots landed.
I always put barnes through the front shoulder. The bullet is tough enough to go through muscle and bone without coming apart and gives it enough mass to ensure expansion. I also run them fast and light for caliber.
I got the Savage Switchback in 6ARC and threw it in a chassis. Stupid accurate for the price. 24" threaded barrel. I am getting over 3000 fps with 87g bullets
I really like the look of those
Great work as usual. CHeers
Awesome video as always. Love my ttsx bullets. My go to bullet for hunting. You should look in to the Cavity back bullets.
Good vid, really shows the monos shine at 2500fps and above. 130gr monos at 3250fps from my 7mm rem mag hit like a hammer
Great video, loading up some 90gr ttsx for my 6 arc trying to get above 2700fps with lever evolution…we will see. I use the 180 ttsx in my .300wm up here in AK and got an Elk on Afognak a little under 400 yards and recovered a perfectly opened bullet that only lost 1gr and it was probably the tip. Now you got me interested in the 80gr. Keep up the good work
Thanks again for sharing!
I'm trying these in a Tikka superlite 243 Winchester @ 3350 fps. Haven't gotten to use them on varmints or anything larger. I usually use 100 gr bonded cup and core in 243 Winchester out to the furthest 420 to 425 yards. With excellent performance. I have also used the Sierra Gameking 85gr bullet out to 275 yards with around 50 yards before the buck went down. These run around 3200 fps. It did destroy the inside of this buck to where when moving sounded like a tub of water sloshing. Your testing is of interest here as it is hard for me to not use 90 to 100 grain bonded cup and core with the amount of game I have taken with it over 28 years of hunting varmint and whitetail. I have used the 100gr to 500 give or take on varmints with outstanding effect. Two different rifles used. One a Ruger 1/9 twist, the Tikka a 1/10 twist that I haven't tried 100 gr in for stabilization. Why the 80gr ttsx at this time. I have read the Tikka 1/10 doesn't like 100gr and up. I haven't tested but will in the near future.
Great video
Great information
I anneal mine depending which caliber I load for. I don't bother for the Lapua or 22-250 or 243 or anything over about 2600fps, but for stuff like grendel, legend, or 358win I soften them down to the pressure rings
95gr LRX? When's that test coming???😂
Nice video bro
Awesome content. Any plans for 300 blackout?
We've been talking about it - nothing solid in the works yet but potentially. We do have several videos on 7.62x39 which has similar ballistics. Thanks!
The ttsx isn't the best in 6mm category. They're great I the heavier calibers. But the 6mm is too light and sheds velocity too quickly due to its low BC. I'll stick to 100grain partitions
I would love this cartridge in a mini action bolt rifle. It would get slightly more velocity and energy for those longer shots and give a little more headspace at these longer ranges. Do you think the fact that the Barnes expand with the petals more of and X shape than the bonded core's more mushroom or circular expansion make a big difference in energy transfer and killing effectiveness? I ask this because at longer ranges a high shoulder shot gives you a littles leeway for drift than a tight to the shoulder lung shot. When its a smaller bullet like this, blood trails get more difficult pretty quick.
howa 1500
@@WayStedYou Oh I know too much already about that one. Thanks.
I don’t think it would honestly. The bullets are spinning so fast that the petals cut a near circular shape anyway. It could do more damage if anything as it’s like blades spinning rather than a circle pushing through
@@devinb3397 Without being able to see multiple effects from the impact, you should remember that bullets start out at one turn in 10 inches down to one in 7 inches. Even if they slow down to half their velocity but maintain the full rate of twist you're still talking of one turn in 3 inches. Hardly the meat chopper effect you're intimating. Gel impacts show large spiral cuts that appear to extend the deeper they penetrate. So the rate of twist slows down drastically at impact. Remember that you yourself change your point of aim with these bullet. If the destruction surrounding the bullet track was the same you wouldn't have to change your point of impact.
@@denisleblanc4506 you have to remember that the velocity slows down way quicker that the twist. Bullets hold their spin rate way better than their velocity, so they’re actually spinning a lot quicker proportionate to their velocity at longer ranges
Have you tested Nosler accu bond long range in 30 cal 175 grain in 308 or 3006?
Not yet - we will be though!
Can you guys try the Hornady 80 gr CX bullet out of a 243 pushing out the muzzle about 3400 if possible?? That's what I have my rounds tooned for. I would like to see the expansion tests you guys do just out of the 243 Winchester in a bolt gun. If possible please and thank you?
Bet you it’s great. I haven’t seen much of the CX but if you’re shooting deer 100-300 yards you probably won’t drop below 2,800-3,000 fps and it’s going to be devastating. No worries there. Although I think 80-85gr bullets really shine as “reduced recoil” options in .243 At like 3100fps. But I’ll never hunt past 200 yrds up here in the mountains.
Still would like to see a copper bullet traveling fast AF. I'm some gel. Where I be from we regularly take animals past 300.
I have used it in 6arc at about 3000fps and it was devastating. I made a high shoulder shot and within the 3 in it had to expand it absolutely exploded. They definitely expand better than the tsx's
@@livingintheLight. that's what's up! Sounds like you had good results. It seems like the Hornady CX bullet expands very well at lower velocities as well. The data I collected seems to expand well between 1800fps and 2600fps impact velocity. But if you crank up the speed to 3000fps impact velocity all of a sudden it becomes a copper grande. Acting like a lead nose soft point but the core shank of the bullet stays together and makes a pass through. So you get the best of both worlds of lead based bullets exploding on impact and extreme penetration from mono metal bullets. Seems like you are getting similar results. From the data I look up and read, I don't think there is enough case capacity in a 6mm ARC cartridge to get it up to, or even past 3400fps. This is where a bolt gun chambered in 243 Winchester shines. 6 ARC is usually in Gass guns and compressed loads are not great in Gass guns, however if you have a strong action you can definitely load up to max pressures and get bullets flying stupid fast! Remember all copper bullets are tuffer than jacketed bullets, bonded bullets can also be tuff, most people don't push them past 3000fps for good reason however mono-metal bullets smack!
@@EAZY-ME I have a 243 gas gun and I haven't tried them in it yet. I use a lot of barnes, but if I use them in a gun go in less than 2600 ft a second @100 I anneal the bullets The CX did good though it was a very powerful impact. Near varmint level expansion, dropped the deer in its tracks
Have you looked into the Barnes LRX?
We've got a video out on the LRX in 270 WSM, and we'll be releasing another soon.
Yous should get a 7mm-08 and test that
I agree these copper bullets are over hyped and similar performance on game at long distances as FMJ,pass threw is not the objective…