Now, the bonjwa of this era would be: enter Thorin. He had an insane run of 15 years in the e-sports scene, covering Quake, Broodwar, 1.6, LoL and CS:GO - and still going strong, mind you. Towards the latter part of his career, he exploded during the massive success of LoL as well as CS:GO, grossing the highest earnings of $crilla in contrast to his competition, thanks to AlphaDraft. Every LAN he attended, his analysis was unmatched, he could pick apart any argument, his reference game was on point, and in the face of pressure, he could literally clutch the most amazing analogies I've ever heard.
It makes me so happy to hear someone talking about artistry as a thing in gaming, esp Quake. It's some what of a forgotten thing, lost to the all precious KDR.
+Blackadderthefourth It's still an amazing game =) but I too wish I could have been around for the "golden age" of Quake. That being said QL is still enjoyed by people everyday. If you enjoy it you should play it!
Thresh was so good that he literally beat Makaveli and Immortal in 1v1 on q2dm1 using only grenade launcher. Immortal and Makaveli were both top 5 in the world at that time.
To all those getting nostalgic about Quake and wishing it was as big any current-day esport, check out Reflex. If you know the Q3 mod CPMA, some of the original devs of the mod along with others are making a spiritual successor. I for one, think that the game has way more potential than Q3 ever had and it will become bigger. Game is currently in Alpha, but definitely more than playable, and the recent progress has been pretty damn good imo. Playerbase is small, but finding a server (or waiting for a minute or so for someone to join) is still easy. Have fun fragging if you do get it. /shill
+Rambunctious Reflex is in no state atm to be advertising it to be this amazing game that people will play and enjoy and have hours of fun on, the player base is simply too small atm. And bigger than quake? I really hope it does end up that way because it means more attention for Arena FPS but there is no chance it will be bigger, sorry.
+Kharnix Thanks for sharing, I'll watch it after this :) EDIT: Know I remember why I never watch quake 3 movies. Great movie but all are just random kills except cooller's comeback.
thunda depends in what, still the work with video and sound in GQ3 is beyond all for me. In terms of duels and frags, ye def. better in some. Especialy BO cuz it's duel edit. TC2 is in love too :3 most watched after GQ3. Good old movievault :'(
+flairtv thanks. I missed that... curious that evil has done it on the international stage just the once in 2012. He's clearly a clutch player vs the EU players. Just that little bit more to beat rapha(although I am a rapha fan and would not root for this outcome). Maybe it's too easy for him vs EU competition. His skills just overwhelm them. It doesn't encourage the mental part of his game.
Thanks for this Video Thorin! I played Quake 3 for several Years since Beta, trained with pod.deatz and pod.moerser and simply loved this Game so much. I still remember the first Replay from fatal1ty on q3dm13 where he escaped the Lava by using Rocketjumps and we were sitting in our LAN Room and couldnt belive what we just saw. We where still aiming on the Head with our Rocketlauncher by that time. I realy miss the good old Quake 3 Times and thanks for bringing back some great memories!
Love me some Quake. Cooller is my all time favorite. Just his patience and tricks, delaying pickups etc. While his aim wasnt the best his rockets were insane. Cypher is probably the most skilled though.
It's a shame iD never re-released Quakeworld & Q2 into a Quakelive style game (with the same original maps, weapon balance and physics) but brought right up to date with cleaner graphics, sounds and and an easy access / config browser system.
+outy1978 Quakeworld is alive and well. Check out www.nquake.com/ the nQuake package comes with everything you need to get started. Always good to see new players :-)
I'm surprised you didn't mention Strenx in your failed Bonjaws list. Strenx had the raw mechanical ability to be an absolute legend, but he simply never developed the rest of his game to match until it was too late and Quake was already pretty much dead. Strenx's LG was something the world had never seen before. It was simply unimaginably devastating, and on the strength of his LG alone he still managed to finish top 4 fairly regularly. He took games off other Bonjwa's all the time, but usually didn't manage to close out an entire series. By the time Strenx finally started to mature in terms of play style and really master timing and control, the Quake scene was simply in massive decline and he never really got a chance to prove himself.
+Paul Spoon I think the reason he didn't get mentioned is because Strenxs main rival was Cooller during the time he was giving it his all. So since Cooller was classed as a failed Bonjwas in QL, you can't really have a 'failed Bonjwas of a failed Bonjwas' - that's a double failed Bonjwas =)
Could Purri and specifically Damiah be considered bonjwas of the modern era of Quake 2? These guys have been destroying the Q2/EDL scene for over a decade. Of course the depth of competition isn't exactly the same as Q3/QLive but these guys deserve some props. Last week's EDL14 Q2dm1 game between Purri and Numavezi is sight to be seen! - demos.q2players.org/search
Good and interesting video, but two things I want to mention. 1) Cooller's rail was insane. His general aim was 'very quite alright' but once you heard the sound of the railgun, you know bad things were going to happen to the opponent. At one point it might've actually been one of the best, if not -the- best for a while. 2) Czm actually should be a bonjwa of -Quake-, maybe Prozac too. Hear me out, before the pitchforks and torches are being shown. This video talks about the bonjwas of Quake, so it should only be fair to count TDM as well. Duel was just one of the disciplines of Quake. TDM was the other major one. Whilst the top duellers were fantastic in their gamemode, they often were nothing more than 'just quite ok' in TDM (neither Fatal1ty nor Zero4 were amazing in it). But a lot of TDM players made the transition (or co-played, even!) to duelling, and succesfully. So sure, Czm might not have won a lot of duelling tournaments, but he was always right up there. Could go head to head with the best of them and make it a bloody difficult time for them. And he was an absolute master in TDM. So in an overall spectrum of skills, players like Czm and Prozac were better overall players than most duellers and deserve a bit more recognition.
Two players worth mentioning: LeXeR and Unkind. LeXer won Quakecon and Unkind won WCG back in like 2001/2002 - then they both disappeared from the game. I know you didn't mention them because they didn't stick around long enough, even though technically they were _the best_ in their small periods of dominance, I guess to be classed as a Bonjwas it would have to be for a longer period of time? And obviously they weren't failed Bonjwas because they were the best at their individual times. Thoughts +Thooorin ?
Why is Quake not as popular as it once was? What set it back/set it apart from the other esports games that made it (what seems to me atleast) not as popular anymore?
+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” Id not releasing a worthy sequel to q3/ql set it back. Its still afun game, but people these days expect matchmaking and skins and all the stuff other games have
+CatnamedMittens ”Michael Bialas” Its a bit too fast for most casual players and you need a really wide set of high skills in order to reach the top. People will be moving around the map in a usually very fast pace. So all your tactics, strategy and aim will need to adapt to this. You can be a very good CS player even if your movement or strategy isnt the best, especially since its 5vs5. I've seen CS players with absolutely fantastic aim, better than any quaker, but in quake 3 they still got steamrolled because they cant keep up with the pace.
+Khorney what do you mean strategy and tactics in quake lol? you say CS is more about aim than quake is? you're a funny fucker lol. it's the other way around clearly.
+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” Quake 3 was very popular back in its heyday a decade ago. id didn't do a good job of keeping it up to date, adding to it, or releasing a new version. Quake Live was a fairly successful launch, but it hit the market right as the financial crisis of 2009 took effect in both north America and Europe. It went from being a fully free to play game itno a semi-free to play game. F2P players had access to all of the standard Quake 3 features, but all of the new additions were paid services. So QL just ended up being Quake 3 in browser format.
Quake players are spoiled by the number of different ways the game can be approached, and I love being spoiled. Some people like to plot. Some people like to flow. #quakelife Thank You For Quakeing!
I got to play Rapha in a duel last night, literally did like 200 dmg maybe compared to his 3000 or so, he beat me 14 to negative 1. It happened in like 3 mins. I never stood a chance.
It'd be pretty cool to get a stop-start analysis of some of these players' matches with highlights of when we can see that particular style or way to play in action. I know some people have made these analysis movies but... THERE'S TOO FEW! :)
In my personal opinion, Quake's largest problem was lack of team based tournaments. For example, had they thrown Rocket Arena or Threewave 5v5 tourneys... man that could have done it in my opinion.
Quake still has a community, www.quakeone.com, still a lot of servers around and people set up nightly TDM / CTF matches. The biggest issue is that there isn't a downloadable game anymore. People have to do loops in order to find a working game. There are lots of clients on the site but they have copyright issues if they put up the entire game. I think Steam has the game, but you can also find it at www.clanhdz.com/ - then you go to Quakeone.com and you download Qrack client which makes the game look brand new/polished instead of the old graphics. You go on Quakeone and see whos playing and just join in. As far as high pace action goes, this game is still up there, it just lost the community to Q3 (now Quakelive), so a bunch of us are attempting to resurrect it. QuakeWorld still has a live scene (much more live than NetQuake), but most of us prefer the NetQuake code and not a game identical to Q3 physics wise.
Think Jibo is another player you could throw into the failed list. That guy played some of the best quake i had ever seen but at the same time also played some of the worst. He had so many big lans where he came close but rarely managed to seal the deal and win the whole event. I often thought that if he could have fixed some of the inconsistency in his game play he would have been one of the greats. One of the best games to watch to see his brilliance would have been the finals gamegune 2008 vs av3k, think they played dm6 twice but in one of those games Jibo just went absolutely ill, never seen someone hit such crazy LG and rail and absolutely destroyed av3k, but ultimately lost out in the series. I think LeXer too could also fit into that list of failed players, he had a fantastic quakecon 2002, which he won in a fairly convincing fashion but as i recall he never had to face off vs fatal1ty or zero4 as fatal1ty was beaten by daler in the semi's and zero4 was knocked out by fatal1ty, he also had an amazing wcg 2001 but ultimately lost out to zero4. But still another player that at the time seemed to be the total package, but was always beaten by the current great of the time. As for raw aim, i think cypher was a absolutely dominant player during the time periods you mention but i don't think i would agree that he was THE best in terms of raw aim, i think that title for me would goto spartie, not sure which event it was perhaps ESWC Athens 2008 that we actually saw this happen, spartie was able to essentially out aim his was to the finals and even managed to take a couple maps off of cypher but he was ultimately stopped by rapha in the finals of the event I think it's quite important to note what had happened during the transition from quake3 (OSP) to quake4 and then back to quake, and that being CPMA/VQ3, this introduced xerpclients and kind of changed the meta game for quake at the time, it was during this period that we saw players going from an average LG of 28% (in osp) to 40+% on the new cpma version. I think this was a very big factor in cyphers dominance and to an extent sparties too, i'm not sure either of their play styles would have really gone down well in the older OSP versions of quake as bullying players with LG wasn't really a possibility at the time. Sorry for the long post, just thought i would throw in my 2 cents! Cheers
I was surprised throughout the whole video that you didn't mention Lakerman....and then you went SPOT ON at the end, because back at 2003, when we were doing some petty lans without even broadband, that was exactly what i was discussing with my mates. The guy was the dedicated 2nd in most tournaments, very unlucky
+Knj Z I know he is a Quakeworld fan, but reality is that the prestige/money followed the sequels while QW had it's own hardcore/grassroots scene that ran in parallel. CPL did however run a small QW tournament in 2001 which was won by the only 2 non-americans that entered :>
Fantastic video as always, great information and insight. I've only gotten into Quake as an eSport relatively recently so I'm kinda forced to look at everything in retrospect and this is a great help for that. I know you only occasionally cover the game, but just to kinda complete the collection of big boys would you consider doing a video on the bonjwas of Dota, across original WC3 DotA and now Dota 2? Could be very interesting, I think.
It would be awesome if you could throw highlights of who you're talking about from VODs (SportsCenter-esque). Would certainly up the production of the episodes, but I don't think you want to complicate these videos any more than you have to.
Not mentioning HAL_9000 or Vo0 is a sin. Agreed it's not basequake but CPMA, but god damn they where so good.. HAL_9000 on Aerowalk was just terrifying to watch: ruclips.net/video/gHhe_LE00XU/видео.html
And Lakerman was vastly underrated in this video as well, he was the first player to truly understand when you should use certain weapons and why you should use them. He was also very good at reading into how to counter his opponents best weapons this way by manipulating distances and forcing fights in situations where their prime weapons would be unsuitable just to gain an advantage. Even though his career didn't last long many people, including Fatal1ty consider him one of if not THE best player of the time.
You didn't mention czm at all, although czm was dominant in latter q3. you mention cooller, but cooller was never dominant. czm dominated him in q3, then rapha/cypher dominated him in ql. you don't mention evil at all either. and for that matter, rapha has been the most dominant player in quake live by far - not just for 1.5 years or so. you don't mention cypher's dodge, which was a huge part of his dominance. and you say rapha had somewhat poor aim, when he doesn't - it's solid and consistent.
+PJ Plays yeah, Thorin started out in Quake Then he saw that the game is slowly dying off and then (quote by Thorin): "I was at a LAN party and someone told me there was a new mod out for Half-Life called Counter-Strike. I said "this looks shit and is too slow". I was right. 16+ years later here I am". -Thorin
+ItsYakuza I think cs is kind of a last resort for people who loved competitive quake. We used to look down on cs, but when the alternative is console fps, there really is no choice. Console fps are just painful to watch even when it's the top ranking pros playing.
thooorin is the bonjwa of making sick alphadraft skrilla
Now, the bonjwa of this era would be: enter Thorin. He had an insane run of 15 years in the e-sports scene, covering Quake, Broodwar, 1.6, LoL and CS:GO - and still going strong, mind you. Towards the latter part of his career, he exploded during the massive success of LoL as well as CS:GO, grossing the highest earnings of $crilla in contrast to his competition, thanks to AlphaDraft. Every LAN he attended, his analysis was unmatched, he could pick apart any argument, his reference game was on point, and in the face of pressure, he could literally clutch the most amazing analogies I've ever heard.
amazing comment
It makes me so happy to hear someone talking about artistry as a thing in gaming, esp Quake. It's some what of a forgotten thing, lost to the all precious KDR.
no mention of Evil, if not a bonjwas atleast a failed one
I really wish I had been into quake as all these great players rose up, Thorin always makes it sound amazing
+Blackadderthefourth It's still an amazing game =) but I too wish I could have been around for the "golden age" of Quake. That being said QL is still enjoyed by people everyday. If you enjoy it you should play it!
Thresh was so good that he literally beat Makaveli and Immortal in 1v1 on q2dm1 using only grenade launcher. Immortal and Makaveli were both top 5 in the world at that time.
To all those getting nostalgic about Quake and wishing it was as big any current-day esport, check out Reflex. If you know the Q3 mod CPMA, some of the original devs of the mod along with others are making a spiritual successor. I for one, think that the game has way more potential than Q3 ever had and it will become bigger.
Game is currently in Alpha, but definitely more than playable, and the recent progress has been pretty damn good imo. Playerbase is small, but finding a server (or waiting for a minute or so for someone to join) is still easy. Have fun fragging if you do get it.
/shill
+Rambunctious You'd be better off sending them to Quake Live then asking them to pay for a shitty alpha client.
+AMpufnstuf Reflex is a lot better than Quake Live. :P
+AMpufnstuf >shitty
Reflex in alpha is better than QL ever was and has netcode way better than CSGO.
+Rambunctious Reflex is in no state atm to be advertising it to be this amazing game that people will play and enjoy and have hours of fun on, the player base is simply too small atm. And bigger than quake? I really hope it does end up that way because it means more attention for Arena FPS but there is no chance it will be bigger, sorry.
Buy Reflex store.steampowered.com/app/328070/
:^)
omg yes, i was just watching old quake frag movies. I wish quake would come back into a big scene because it's so entertaining to watch.
+Blaze Get Quaked 3, over and over again... never found better edited fragmovie than GQ3 :3
+Kharnix Thanks for sharing, I'll watch it after this :)
EDIT: Know I remember why I never watch quake 3 movies. Great movie but all are just random kills except cooller's comeback.
+Kharnix The Contenders 1 & 2 and Bulgarian Odyssey are better.
thunda depends in what, still the work with video and sound in GQ3 is beyond all for me.
In terms of duels and frags, ye def. better in some. Especialy BO cuz it's duel edit.
TC2 is in love too :3 most watched after GQ3.
Good old movievault :'(
Kharnix Its worth all 19 minutes everytime
Evil has dominated the QL EU competitions for years. He at least deserves a mention. He just can't get over the hump.
+darwinsGate It's an extremely brief mention, but his name does come up at 13:20
hardly what you meant... I know ))
+flairtv thanks. I missed that... curious that evil has done it on the international stage just the once in 2012. He's clearly a clutch player vs the EU players. Just that little bit more to beat rapha(although I am a rapha fan and would not root for this outcome). Maybe it's too easy for him vs EU competition. His skills just overwhelm them. It doesn't encourage the mental part of his game.
Thanks for this Video Thorin!
I played Quake 3 for several Years since Beta, trained with pod.deatz and pod.moerser and simply loved this Game so much.
I still remember the first Replay from fatal1ty on q3dm13 where he escaped the Lava by using Rocketjumps and we were sitting in our LAN Room and couldnt belive what we just saw.
We where still aiming on the Head with our Rocketlauncher by that time.
I realy miss the good old Quake 3 Times and thanks for bringing back some great memories!
i could listen to thorin talking about quake for hours..
Thorin bonjwa in nose picking
45 times on 18 min video is pretty good
Nice to see you making vids for small communities too!
"Quake is Quake and will never die" ~Stermy
Love me some Quake. Cooller is my all time favorite. Just his patience and tricks, delaying pickups etc. While his aim wasnt the best his rockets were insane. Cypher is probably the most skilled though.
It's a shame iD never re-released Quakeworld & Q2 into a Quakelive style game (with the same original maps, weapon balance and physics) but brought right up to date with cleaner graphics, sounds and and an easy access / config browser system.
+outy1978 Quakeworld is alive and well. Check out www.nquake.com/ the nQuake package comes with everything you need to get started. Always good to see new players :-)
I LOVE quake. You should do more quake videos. Seeing you post this mad me really happy.
Who's the Bonjwa of AlphaDraft?
Only Thooorin. Monte isn't a bonjwa yet.
+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” HI SENPAI
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+ItsYakuza Hello!
Quite shocked there's not even a mention of Evil. He's had longer periods of dominance than some on this list.
+zerojayzero It's an extremely brief mention, but his name does come up at 13:20
hardly what you meant... I know ))
I'm surprised you didn't mention Strenx in your failed Bonjaws list. Strenx had the raw mechanical ability to be an absolute legend, but he simply never developed the rest of his game to match until it was too late and Quake was already pretty much dead. Strenx's LG was something the world had never seen before. It was simply unimaginably devastating, and on the strength of his LG alone he still managed to finish top 4 fairly regularly. He took games off other Bonjwa's all the time, but usually didn't manage to close out an entire series. By the time Strenx finally started to mature in terms of play style and really master timing and control, the Quake scene was simply in massive decline and he never really got a chance to prove himself.
+Paul Spoon I think the reason he didn't get mentioned is because Strenxs main rival was Cooller during the time he was giving it his all. So since Cooller was classed as a failed Bonjwas in QL, you can't really have a 'failed Bonjwas of a failed Bonjwas' - that's a double failed Bonjwas =)
Could Purri and specifically Damiah be considered bonjwas of the modern era of Quake 2? These guys have been destroying the Q2/EDL scene for over a decade. Of course the depth of competition isn't exactly the same as Q3/QLive but these guys deserve some props. Last week's EDL14 Q2dm1 game between Purri and Numavezi is sight to be seen! - demos.q2players.org/search
there's only one bonjwa of esports analysis
Good and interesting video, but two things I want to mention.
1) Cooller's rail was insane. His general aim was 'very quite alright' but once you heard the sound of the railgun, you know bad things were going to happen to the opponent. At one point it might've actually been one of the best, if not -the- best for a while.
2) Czm actually should be a bonjwa of -Quake-, maybe Prozac too. Hear me out, before the pitchforks and torches are being shown. This video talks about the bonjwas of Quake, so it should only be fair to count TDM as well. Duel was just one of the disciplines of Quake. TDM was the other major one. Whilst the top duellers were fantastic in their gamemode, they often were nothing more than 'just quite ok' in TDM (neither Fatal1ty nor Zero4 were amazing in it). But a lot of TDM players made the transition (or co-played, even!) to duelling, and succesfully. So sure, Czm might not have won a lot of duelling tournaments, but he was always right up there. Could go head to head with the best of them and make it a bloody difficult time for them. And he was an absolute master in TDM. So in an overall spectrum of skills, players like Czm and Prozac were better overall players than most duellers and deserve a bit more recognition.
Two players worth mentioning: LeXeR and Unkind. LeXer won Quakecon and Unkind won WCG back in like 2001/2002 - then they both disappeared from the game. I know you didn't mention them because they didn't stick around long enough, even though technically they were _the best_ in their small periods of dominance, I guess to be classed as a Bonjwas it would have to be for a longer period of time? And obviously they weren't failed Bonjwas because they were the best at their individual times. Thoughts +Thooorin ?
Why is Quake not as popular as it once was? What set it back/set it apart from the other esports games that made it (what seems to me atleast) not as popular anymore?
+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas”
Id not releasing a worthy sequel to q3/ql set it back. Its still afun game, but people these days expect matchmaking and skins and all the stuff other games have
+CatnamedMittens ”Michael Bialas” it doesnt have skins
+CatnamedMittens ”Michael Bialas”
Its a bit too fast for most casual players and you need a really wide set of high skills in order to reach the top. People will be moving around the map in a usually very fast pace. So all your tactics, strategy and aim will need to adapt to this. You can be a very good CS player even if your movement or strategy isnt the best, especially since its 5vs5. I've seen CS players with absolutely fantastic aim, better than any quaker, but in quake 3 they still got steamrolled because they cant keep up with the pace.
+Khorney what do you mean strategy and tactics in quake lol? you say CS is more about aim than quake is? you're a funny fucker lol. it's the other way around clearly.
+CatnamedMittens “Michael Bialas” Quake 3 was very popular back in its heyday a decade ago. id didn't do a good job of keeping it up to date, adding to it, or releasing a new version.
Quake Live was a fairly successful launch, but it hit the market right as the financial crisis of 2009 took effect in both north America and Europe. It went from being a fully free to play game itno a semi-free to play game.
F2P players had access to all of the standard Quake 3 features, but all of the new additions were paid services. So QL just ended up being Quake 3 in browser format.
Ooo yeah! Thanks soo much for this! Never knew about the Q3 history that much until now.
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I got to play Rapha in a duel last night, literally did like 200 dmg maybe compared to his 3000 or so, he beat me 14 to negative 1. It happened in like 3 mins. I never stood a chance.
It'd be pretty cool to get a stop-start analysis of some of these players' matches with highlights of when we can see that particular style or way to play in action. I know some people have made these analysis movies but... THERE'S TOO FEW! :)
In my personal opinion, Quake's largest problem was lack of team based tournaments. For example, had they thrown Rocket Arena or Threewave 5v5 tourneys... man that could have done it in my opinion.
While not the best aimer, he did tilt the :# out of Strenx with that 90% rail :)
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It would be super cool if someone put together footage of all the players he mentions and have this be the audio...
You know i really wish we had a Quake revival, but i seriously doubt it's ever going to happen
Bonjwa of Thorin's Thoughts: CatnamedMittens
He probably doesn't know who I am and would just go in on me for my comments and such.
Quake still has a community, www.quakeone.com, still a lot of servers around and people set up nightly TDM / CTF matches. The biggest issue is that there isn't a downloadable game anymore. People have to do loops in order to find a working game. There are lots of clients on the site but they have copyright issues if they put up the entire game. I think Steam has the game, but you can also find it at www.clanhdz.com/ - then you go to Quakeone.com and you download Qrack client which makes the game look brand new/polished instead of the old graphics.
You go on Quakeone and see whos playing and just join in. As far as high pace action goes, this game is still up there, it just lost the community to Q3 (now Quakelive), so a bunch of us are attempting to resurrect it. QuakeWorld still has a live scene (much more live than NetQuake), but most of us prefer the NetQuake code and not a game identical to Q3 physics wise.
Think Jibo is another player you could throw into the failed list. That guy played some of the best quake i had ever seen but at the same time also played some of the worst. He had so many big lans where he came close but rarely managed to seal the deal and win the whole event. I often thought that if he could have fixed some of the inconsistency in his game play he would have been one of the greats.
One of the best games to watch to see his brilliance would have been the finals gamegune 2008 vs av3k, think they played dm6 twice but in one of those games Jibo just went absolutely ill, never seen someone hit such crazy LG and rail and absolutely destroyed av3k, but ultimately lost out in the series.
I think LeXer too could also fit into that list of failed players, he had a fantastic quakecon 2002, which he won in a fairly convincing fashion but as i recall he never had to face off vs fatal1ty or zero4 as fatal1ty was beaten by daler in the semi's and zero4 was knocked out by fatal1ty, he also had an amazing wcg 2001 but ultimately lost out to zero4. But still another player that at the time seemed to be the total package, but was always beaten by the current great of the time.
As for raw aim, i think cypher was a absolutely dominant player during the time periods you mention but i don't think i would agree that he was THE best in terms of raw aim, i think that title for me would goto spartie, not sure which event it was perhaps ESWC Athens 2008 that we actually saw this happen, spartie was able to essentially out aim his was to the finals and even managed to take a couple maps off of cypher but he was ultimately stopped by rapha in the finals of the event
I think it's quite important to note what had happened during the transition from quake3 (OSP) to quake4 and then back to quake, and that being CPMA/VQ3, this introduced xerpclients and kind of changed the meta game for quake at the time, it was during this period that we saw players going from an average LG of 28% (in osp) to 40+% on the new cpma version. I think this was a very big factor in cyphers dominance and to an extent sparties too, i'm not sure either of their play styles would have really gone down well in the older OSP versions of quake as bullying players with LG wasn't really a possibility at the time.
Sorry for the long post, just thought i would throw in my 2 cents!
Cheers
+Insommer Also would be pretty cool if you would do more Quake stuff!
Enjoyed the video
I was surprised throughout the whole video that you didn't mention Lakerman....and then you went SPOT ON at the end, because back at 2003, when we were doing some petty lans without even broadband, that was exactly what i was discussing with my mates. The guy was the dedicated 2nd in most tournaments, very unlucky
Quake 3, my first FPS on PC.
i enjoy your quake content a lot.
Where's Pietro? Akke? Dag? Fix? Milton? Rep?
Thorin, please! :(
+Knj Z I know he is a Quakeworld fan, but reality is that the prestige/money followed the sequels while QW had it's own hardcore/grassroots scene that ran in parallel. CPL did however run a small QW tournament in 2001 which was won by the only 2 non-americans that entered :>
Fantastic video as always, great information and insight. I've only gotten into Quake as an eSport relatively recently so I'm kinda forced to look at everything in retrospect and this is a great help for that.
I know you only occasionally cover the game, but just to kinda complete the collection of big boys would you consider doing a video on the bonjwas of Dota, across original WC3 DotA and now Dota 2? Could be very interesting, I think.
Could you suggest some good VODS to watch of Quake?
can anyone point me to a few hours of the bonjwas best quake matches? I never followed the game but respected it and watched occasionally.
It would be awesome if you could throw highlights of who you're talking about from VODs (SportsCenter-esque). Would certainly up the production of the episodes, but I don't think you want to complicate these videos any more than you have to.
Can you make "potential csgo bonjwas next? Some dude mentioned it in your cs version of this vid and i think its an awesome vid concept.
S1mple could be.
+Kenny Tran fox
stonde, one of the most underrated awpers out there.
+Kenny Tran HUNDEN, he's a "rising talent" :D
+gotland1998 GOD HUNDEN
8:15 The pizza box strategy!
Heh. "How to peak for events," just like powerlifting.
Do the wolfenstein scene, it was impressive back in the rtcw days.
All he needed to do was make a 2.5 second video saying 'Alexey "Cypher" yanushevsky'
Point me to some classic match ups from each era please.
bonjwas of wolfenstein enemy territory if you know this game
DeadMeat
+Rakys Return Night goat
no stermy ? D:
Great video. Very enjoyable and informative :)
This will probably be Thotin's least viewed video sadly
+Mark Johnson Thank You For Quakeing! ♥
Not a single Unkind mention. Sad times.
I'd say ddk definitley one,
KAPPA
Not mentioning HAL_9000 or Vo0 is a sin.
Agreed it's not basequake but CPMA, but god damn they where so good.. HAL_9000 on Aerowalk was just terrifying to watch: ruclips.net/video/gHhe_LE00XU/видео.html
And Lakerman was vastly underrated in this video as well, he was the first player to truly understand when you should use certain weapons and why you should use them.
He was also very good at reading into how to counter his opponents best weapons this way by manipulating distances and forcing fights in situations where their prime weapons would be unsuitable just to gain an advantage.
Even though his career didn't last long many people, including Fatal1ty consider him one of if not THE best player of the time.
You didn't mention czm at all, although czm was dominant in latter q3. you mention cooller, but cooller was never dominant. czm dominated him in q3, then rapha/cypher dominated him in ql. you don't mention evil at all either. and for that matter, rapha has been the most dominant player in quake live by far - not just for 1.5 years or so. you don't mention cypher's dodge, which was a huge part of his dominance. and you say rapha had somewhat poor aim, when he doesn't - it's solid and consistent.
I'm probably a bit alte but he did mention czm at 16:55
As a failed bonjwa
HOLY SHIT HE DID MY SUGGESTION
nice.
nice quake content :)
U missed LeXeR =)
cya m8
Gj as always
O_O Quake?
+PJ Plays yeah, Thorin started out in Quake
Then he saw that the game is slowly dying off and then (quote by Thorin):
"I was at a LAN party and someone told me there was a new mod out for Half-Life called Counter-Strike. I said "this looks shit and is too slow". I was right. 16+ years later here I am".
-Thorin
ItsYakuza Well I thought that Quake was dead so I was surprised to see it here. But I didn't know that he started at Quake so I guess now I know
+ItsYakuza I think cs is kind of a last resort for people who loved competitive quake. We used to look down on cs, but when the alternative is console fps, there really is no choice. Console fps are just painful to watch even when it's the top ranking pros playing.
+PJ Plays He initially covered Quake and StarCraft BW if I am not mistaken.
CatnamedMittens Well thanks for telling me but another person was quicker than you :)