I am Dante Level 3 certified and a network engineer but as a musician, I do audio recording and live sound out of pure love of music and technology. I want to say that this is THE BEST Dante introductory video I have seen. Brilliant! I love how you would talk about different components and then have a quick picture of the device you are discussing. This makes routing discussions very easy to follow! Well done Sir! You are an EXCELLENT teacher! Norway rocks!
I have a Dante card coming next week for an SQ5. Your video is excellent. First time into Dante and you explained it so well. Brilliant! Jim, Las Vegas.
@@OffshoreAudio Andrew, can Live Professor, SQ5 Dante card and a DX-165 stage box be used for live Waves plugins? I don’t own the Dante (DT-165) stage box. If this works, I’d sell my Waves I/O card for the SQ5. I have both cards at the moment, Waves and Dante I/O cards for the SQ5. Thanks. Jim, Las Vegas.
Crossover cables are a thing of the past. Auto-MDIX is the technology that allows us to connect point-to-point without a crossover cable. Most NICs come with it now.
I am facing a sync out issue while recording 64 tracks via dante network. Audio goes out of tempo as duration of the clip recording increases.any jdea why
It's literally the opposite. The multicast flow will bundle multiple audio channels into the same network flow - this should result in less sockets which should be easier to handle. The network bandwidth will stay the same.
Great Video, Thanks for helping me to understand Dante. I am newbie to this technology. I have a question: If my Digital Mixer has Dante Capability, can I use the Network Cat5 to connect directly to In-Ear Monitor and get all the 16 channels so that our Worship team can do their own mix on their mobiles. To do this what's needed apart of the Digital Mixer with Dante Enabled. Assuming Digital mixer already have all the Instruments and Microphones connected (this for our Church purpose). Thanks in advance
I just got the FIOS internet service in my studio and im am getting loads of static from my SSL nucleus. if I switch back to optimum, everything works fine. any ideas why this is happening?
Thanks for this video Question here - Can you route audio output from Protools to the desk at the same time whilst you're recording. For example, you have just a M32 console and Protools setup. On the M32, you are have 1-3 as inputs from Protools and 4-7 as inputs from the band. You want to play backing tracks from Protools on 1-3 which the M32 receives and sends out to FOH but at the same time you want record what the band is playing on 4-7 (which is also going to FOH) in Protools. Is this something the network can do also as I don't want to play stems from Ableton (extra laptop and extra personnel to look after that).
Thank you for this video! I'm still confused as to where do you set your gains? On the mixer? Before hitting the Stagebox? And how do you deal with Phantom powered Microphones?
Very new to Dante. If you're sending signal from a stage box to the mixer (Yamaha TF1) of course the mixer controls the gain of the head amp. But if you're also sending the same signal to your computer to record. Is the gain still controlled by the mixer in the recording? Your gain levels needs for recording might be different than your live sound gain needs, to prevent feed back on stage. Also (I am still planning my network) when I finish programing all the routing and at the end of the night, strike the equipment . The next time I set up the same equipment, the same way, does all the equipment remember how it was programed last time or do I have to reprogram routing everything, every time I set up.
Hello. The good news is You don't need Dante, it's just the language that certain equipment uses to communicate. All digital stageboxes talk to the mixer using a certain language or protocol. If you're using an sq5 mixer and a DX stagebox then you don't need to think about Dante at all because you're not using it. If you're using a DT stagebox with a Dante card in the same mixer then you probably need to understand how Dante works. So whether you need to know and understand Dante just depends on the equipment that you're using. Of course if you're pursuing audio as a career then understanding Dante is a must have skill, but that's a different conversation. Hope that helps.
Yes I thought why would I use it if I need to patch everything 2 times. But now I get it that you could have a entire network with this system. Thanks for your comment
Please create a video on connecting SoundCraft Ui24r (Non-Dante) mixer to a computer with 'Dante Via' software and Dante Interface card for PC. Objective is to route SoundCraft channels (IN and AUX) to Dante network. Is this possible?
Great question. It happens in the stagebox. Got to get the mic signal up to line level before converting it to digital. So it would look like this. Mic> Preamp>ADC Now you've got a digital signal you can send over Dante.
wow thanks for your time. according to your Gide i use DCNM server but before few days the Dante system interface all intercom restart simultaneously than i reset server network option bout no transmitter and no receiver is no found any devise can you help me on this. ?
I want to switch my radio studio from all Analog to Dante enable but my Audio Mixer and equipment is not Dante enabled. I know there are AVIO adapters for the analog equipment, but is there something I could buy that would enable Dante on my audio mixer? Thanks!
Thank you for this video, so more than 100m is not recommended? I think this is the problem that cause my Dante connection stop working sometimes for a few seconds!
Correct. It's on the audinate website somewhere, also on Allen and Heath and Yamaha. I believe the phrase was "100m between each node" of the network. So in theory if you go through a switch or another Dante entity then your distance counter is reset, if that makes sense.
@@OffshoreAudiothis correlates with the Category standard of the cables used to the best of my knowledge and understanding; the fatter/faster the “pipe,” the shorter the hops tend to get. While Cat7 is 10+ Gbps, that’s only reliable/to spec for cable lengths of up to 40m (iirc, and I probably don’t, so check that). This is where things start to get spendy, building the infrastructure that’s capable of moving the amount of data at the required speeds over the required distances while keeping latency as low/negligible as possible. Switches with SFP/fiber trunking/backhaul, battery backup for them…
Maybe dumb question? Do you need a computer running the Dante controller software when using anything Dante Or is the computer just to set it up and then you can throw the computer in the river and you're Network will just keep working? And you can start in stop all you want and unplug and re-plug it's just configured the way it is until you open up another computer with Dante controller and reroute something?
That's a great question. You're right that you just need it to set up. For example if you just have 1 Dante stagebox you might route that to inputs 1-16 then never touch it again. So whenever you turn a device off and on it remembers it's routing. It's worth saying that the routing is tied to the name of the device. So if you go and change your stagebox name from stagebox 1 to stagebox SL, then all the routing will be undone. Hope that helps.
Hi @@OffshoreAudio I have a X32 with a snake cable box with 8 outputs on stage, i also have the sd16 for an additional 8 outputs. How do i route my mixer to take the first output from my xir output and the other 8 outputs from the SD16 stagebox output.
Hi Andrew, do you know if it is possible to use a wifi link in a Dante network ? For example is it possible to link a mixer ( say TF3) with the stage I/O box (say Tio1608-D2) without cat5/6 cable. Using good 3rd party wifi link units..... thanks for a a very informative video !👍
Good question. You cannot, its too unstable for audio so Dante won't recognise WiFi connections. Though apparently you can connect Dante controller wirelessly. Info here: www.audinate.com/learning/faqs/can-dante-operate-over-a-wi-fi-network
thanks for your reply and comments Andrew. If I do get a chance to try a fast wifi 6 within a Dante network.... I'll report back what the outcome is 🧐😊
WiFi splits multiple clients into time sections both to account for multiple devices connected to the same network as well as to allow bi-directional communication over the same channel/frequency. Because this is dynamically changing, it makes protocols that require precise synchronization like Dante impossible. There are some wireless links that do not use the wifi standard that may, and I do stress _may_ work with Dante, but they're not exactly cheap. Probably the most popular solution for this is the Ubiquiti airFiber line (_not_ unifi)
Can SD8 connect over Dante to computer directly as I use logic Pro as mixer. I think that is possible can Anyone know that is possible so that I dont need a physical mixer like XR32
SD8 uses the AES50 protocol to transfer audio data, not dante, so it cannot connect to anything using dante. You can only connect it to a device with an AES50 port. It's not designed to operate as a standalone preamp so you wouldn't be able to conrol gain, 48v, or routing without the mixer. If you did somehow connect it to Logic it would probably be a hassle so I wouldn't recommend it. Check out this video to learn how stageboxes work: ruclips.net/video/MEdegrbjgfY/видео.html
Do you guys think is intelligent to have a Dante set up for a set up with 10 synths? I would use a stage box for all the inputs in one place, and try to avoid lots of cables around the room. Does it make sense ?
It makes sense if you're always working with a mixer with dante innputs. I see that all the time. E.g. a dlive mixer, with a DT168 stagebox by the keys and synths. But if you're just in and out of different venues with different engineers then you'd probably be better just going for a loom.
@@OffshoreAudio I see. It would be for my home studio so a mixer with Dante would be ideal, but…… Could I skip the mixer and process all the signals in the box using my daw Ableton Live? Does it make sense? So, I mean, in order to save some money, I would get a DT168, and then move straight into my daw with an Ethernet cable. Is it possible?
@@HolaAbuela1exactly. You can read and learn about Dante all you want but you’ll never fully understand it until you get hands on. And the Dante courses under deliver in this department.
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I am Dante Level 3 certified and a network engineer but as a musician, I do audio recording and live sound out of pure love of music and technology. I want to say that this is THE BEST Dante introductory video I have seen. Brilliant! I love how you would talk about different components and then have a quick picture of the device you are discussing. This makes routing discussions very easy to follow! Well done Sir! You are an EXCELLENT teacher! Norway rocks!
Wow now I finally get it!!! Thank you!!! Wish Dante explained it like you!
Thank you! I just got Level 1 Certified a few days ago. This was a great explanation
Glad it was helpful!
This is great, thank you! Dante can be very overwhelming and you explained and simplified it very clearly. The cheat sheet is also of great value.
Thanks so much! Glad the cheat sheet is helpful
Love this! And I loved that you replayed the 1 second video of each component when referencing back to it,. Visual maps in place!
I have a Dante card coming next week for an SQ5. Your video is excellent. First time into Dante and you explained it so well. Brilliant! Jim, Las Vegas.
Thanks Jim! Glad it was helpful!
@@OffshoreAudio Andrew, can Live Professor, SQ5 Dante card and a DX-165 stage box be used for live Waves plugins? I don’t own the Dante (DT-165) stage box. If this works, I’d sell my Waves I/O card for the SQ5. I have both cards at the moment, Waves and Dante I/O cards for the SQ5. Thanks. Jim, Las Vegas.
I'm trying to get one, where can I find it.
Excellent video.Well explained...
I just left a comment and question on another video of yours on the subject. Thanks.
Philip
NYC Area
Thank you. Your explanation is clear as day!
Glad it was helpful!
For a point-to-point link without a switch in between, a crossover cable may be needed.
This fact is highly overlooked.
Crossover cables are a thing of the past. Auto-MDIX is the technology that allows us to connect point-to-point without a crossover cable. Most NICs come with it now.
Thank you for this nice and concise video. 👏🏻
I am facing a sync out issue while recording 64 tracks via dante network. Audio goes out of tempo as duration of the clip recording increases.any jdea why
Ever figure this issue out? Just curious…
It's a latency with Dante itself. Have not found any possible solution till date after all the research
You might want to try using multicast flows to your DAW
I guess thats gonna create more latency since it makes network more busy
It's literally the opposite. The multicast flow will bundle multiple audio channels into the same network flow - this should result in less sockets which should be easier to handle.
The network bandwidth will stay the same.
Love the cheeky "DHCP" dubs ;)
very helpful
I appreciate having a long outro of acid techno so I can do a celebratory dance in honour of finally understanding networking over Dante
Wicked Excellent awesome cristal clear and logic. Nice accent !
Thank you kindly!
Great Video, Thanks for helping me to understand Dante. I am newbie to this technology. I have a question: If my Digital Mixer has Dante Capability, can I use the Network Cat5 to connect directly to In-Ear Monitor and get all the 16 channels so that our Worship team can do their own mix on their mobiles. To do this what's needed apart of the Digital Mixer with Dante Enabled. Assuming Digital mixer already have all the Instruments and Microphones connected (this for our Church purpose). Thanks in advance
I just got the FIOS internet service in my studio and im am getting loads of static from my SSL nucleus. if I switch back to optimum, everything works fine. any ideas why this is happening?
Thanks for this video
Question here -
Can you route audio output from Protools to the desk at the same time whilst you're recording.
For example, you have just a M32 console and Protools setup. On the M32, you are have 1-3 as inputs from Protools and 4-7 as inputs from the band. You want to play backing tracks from Protools on 1-3 which the M32 receives and sends out to FOH but at the same time you want record what the band is playing on 4-7 (which is also going to FOH) in Protools.
Is this something the network can do also as I don't want to play stems from Ableton (extra laptop and extra personnel to look after that).
Thanks Andrew 😊 I am learn so many thing
Happy to hear!
Very good video
So nice. Thank you
Thanks
Thank you for this video! I'm still confused as to where do you set your gains? On the mixer? Before hitting the Stagebox? And how do you deal with Phantom powered Microphones?
The gain and Phantom is set by the stagebox, but usually the stagebox can be remotely controlled by the desk.
Very new to Dante. If you're sending signal from a stage box to the mixer (Yamaha TF1) of course the mixer controls the gain of the head amp. But if you're also sending the same signal to your computer to record. Is the gain still controlled by the mixer in the recording? Your gain levels needs for recording might be different than your live sound gain needs, to prevent feed back on stage. Also (I am still planning my network) when I finish programing all the routing and at the end of the night, strike the equipment . The next time I set up the same equipment, the same way, does all the equipment remember how it was programed last time or do I have to reprogram routing everything, every time I set up.
Thank you!!
You're welcome!
Could someone please explain to me why I need Dante. I don’t know much about this but why can’t I just connect my stage box to my mixer?
Hello. The good news is You don't need Dante, it's just the language that certain equipment uses to communicate. All digital stageboxes talk to the mixer using a certain language or protocol. If you're using an sq5 mixer and a DX stagebox then you don't need to think about Dante at all because you're not using it. If you're using a DT stagebox with a Dante card in the same mixer then you probably need to understand how Dante works. So whether you need to know and understand Dante just depends on the equipment that you're using.
Of course if you're pursuing audio as a career then understanding Dante is a must have skill, but that's a different conversation. Hope that helps.
Yes I thought why would I use it if I need to patch everything 2 times. But now I get it that you could have a entire network with this system. Thanks for your comment
Unable to add my email to get the cheat sheet. Something wrong with the email form.pls help
Please create a video on connecting SoundCraft Ui24r (Non-Dante) mixer to a computer with 'Dante Via' software and Dante Interface card for PC. Objective is to route SoundCraft channels (IN and AUX) to Dante network. Is this possible?
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Nice video! Where does preamplification occur in your network? In stage box or stage rack?
Great question. It happens in the stagebox. Got to get the mic signal up to line level before converting it to digital. So it would look like this. Mic> Preamp>ADC Now you've got a digital signal you can send over Dante.
@@OffshoreAudio thank you a lot!
wow thanks for your time. according to your Gide i use DCNM server but before few days the Dante system interface all intercom restart simultaneously than i reset server network option bout no transmitter and no receiver is no found any devise can you help me on this. ?
I'm not familiar with dcnm, try setting static IP addresses and using subnets to separate the Dante traffic from any other traffic on the network.
What do i need to fill in the field in order to get the PDF?
I want to switch my radio studio from all Analog to Dante enable but my Audio Mixer and equipment is not Dante enabled. I know there are AVIO adapters for the analog equipment, but is there something I could buy that would enable Dante on my audio mixer? Thanks!
Thanks champ, this is helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this video, so more than 100m is not recommended?
I think this is the problem that cause my Dante connection stop working sometimes for a few seconds!
Correct. It's on the audinate website somewhere, also on Allen and Heath and Yamaha. I believe the phrase was "100m between each node" of the network. So in theory if you go through a switch or another Dante entity then your distance counter is reset, if that makes sense.
@@OffshoreAudiothis correlates with the Category standard of the cables used to the best of my knowledge and understanding; the fatter/faster the “pipe,” the shorter the hops tend to get. While Cat7 is 10+ Gbps, that’s only reliable/to spec for cable lengths of up to 40m (iirc, and I probably don’t, so check that). This is where things start to get spendy, building the infrastructure that’s capable of moving the amount of data at the required speeds over the required distances while keeping latency as low/negligible as possible. Switches with SFP/fiber trunking/backhaul, battery backup for them…
Maybe dumb question?
Do you need a computer running the Dante controller software when using anything Dante
Or is the computer just to set it up and then you can throw the computer in the river and you're Network will just keep working? And you can start in stop all you want and unplug and re-plug it's just configured the way it is until you open up another computer with Dante controller and reroute something?
That's a great question. You're right that you just need it to set up. For example if you just have 1 Dante stagebox you might route that to inputs 1-16 then never touch it again. So whenever you turn a device off and on it remembers it's routing. It's worth saying that the routing is tied to the name of the device. So if you go and change your stagebox name from stagebox 1 to stagebox SL, then all the routing will be undone. Hope that helps.
I'm having an issue where dante is showing two symbols that go back and forth. any ideas on the issue?
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi @@OffshoreAudio
I have a X32 with a snake cable box with 8 outputs on stage, i also have the sd16 for an additional 8 outputs. How do i route my mixer to take the first output from my xir output and the other 8 outputs from the SD16 stagebox output.
Why Do I Have No Sound On X32? Full Guide To Routing On X32 And M32
ruclips.net/video/RZ7fto1Ph6Y/видео.html
Great sir
Thanks!
Hi Andrew, do you know if it is possible to use a wifi link in a Dante network ? For example is it possible to link a mixer ( say TF3) with the stage I/O box (say Tio1608-D2) without cat5/6 cable. Using good 3rd party wifi link units..... thanks for a a very informative video !👍
Good question. You cannot, its too unstable for audio so Dante won't recognise WiFi connections. Though apparently you can connect Dante controller wirelessly. Info here: www.audinate.com/learning/faqs/can-dante-operate-over-a-wi-fi-network
thanks for your reply and comments Andrew. If I do get a chance to try a fast wifi 6 within a Dante network.... I'll report back what the outcome is 🧐😊
WiFi splits multiple clients into time sections both to account for multiple devices connected to the same network as well as to allow bi-directional communication over the same channel/frequency. Because this is dynamically changing, it makes protocols that require precise synchronization like Dante impossible.
There are some wireless links that do not use the wifi standard that may, and I do stress _may_ work with Dante, but they're not exactly cheap. Probably the most popular solution for this is the Ubiquiti airFiber line (_not_ unifi)
Can SD8 connect over Dante to computer directly as I use logic Pro as mixer. I think that is possible can Anyone know that is possible so that I dont need a physical mixer like XR32
SD8 uses the AES50 protocol to transfer audio data, not dante, so it cannot connect to anything using dante. You can only connect it to a device with an AES50 port. It's not designed to operate as a standalone preamp so you wouldn't be able to conrol gain, 48v, or routing without the mixer. If you did somehow connect it to Logic it would probably be a hassle so I wouldn't recommend it. Check out this video to learn how stageboxes work: ruclips.net/video/MEdegrbjgfY/видео.html
Do you guys think is intelligent to have a Dante set up for a set up with 10 synths? I would use a stage box for all the inputs in one place, and try to avoid lots of cables around the room. Does it make sense ?
It makes sense if you're always working with a mixer with dante innputs. I see that all the time. E.g. a dlive mixer, with a DT168 stagebox by the keys and synths. But if you're just in and out of different venues with different engineers then you'd probably be better just going for a loom.
@@OffshoreAudio I see. It would be for my home studio so a mixer with Dante would be ideal, but…… Could I skip the mixer and process all the signals in the box using my daw Ableton Live? Does it make sense? So, I mean, in order to save some money, I would get a DT168, and then move straight into my daw with an Ethernet cable. Is it possible?
I think my first brain needs a Dante card to be installed!🥴
Soon.
It's Lyd!
It is!
the best
Thanks!
The fact that the first thing you said wasn't "Go do the free Dante certifications" is thoroughly concerning.
I think the Dante certification does a good job of explaining terminology, but not a great job at teaching you how to actually set it up in real life.
@@HolaAbuela1exactly. You can read and learn about Dante all you want but you’ll never fully understand it until you get hands on. And the Dante courses under deliver in this department.
I am still not sure why i nedd this again? Honesly, this is just complecating things for no reason
Right, School me.