@@kasaibouF29 Haven't seen any of those actually. Noticed Drive Away Dolls was a Coen movie. Do you normally like Coen Brothers? I unpopularly think they're super overrated.
This movie is really bad, but it managed to do something most bad movies don't. I am usually very quick to identify a bad movie and even quicker to stop watching, yet I kept watching this drivel until credits rolled. I have no idea why I did that.
Lmaooo agreed. Exercising the right to quit watching or reading something bad is crucial life skill. Sometimes slop is so bad it almost becomes the equivalent of mindless scrolling. You're not enjoying it but you're trapped in a semi-conscious passive state.
Honestly I thought the movie was pretty good up until the third act when I feel like it just sort of wraps itself up very suddenly. I feel like the movie’s strengths are in Hoult’s performance. He’s electric in this.
I'd agree that Hoult carries the movie. I don't quite agree he's as good as you say. I think he plays his character a bit too moral. Like, for example, when he discussed being an alcoholic or in the flashback scene to considering a drink at Rowdy's Hideaway. I couldn't sense any of this "alcoholic bad man" that he described being in the past. Hoult just exudes "good person" energy generally (like making his Max Mad Fury Road antihero so lovable and sympathetic). I thought he turned it up too much in the dramatic scenes. But, hey, considering that I probably wouldn't have managed to finish the movie without Hoult in it, that says a lot for him.
heard from youtubers this movie was great and once i heard the premis and he actors in it i though "hell yeah i will watch that" when the credits rolled i just felt nothing.
His "pitchfork" seems to be a lacrosse stick with something taped on the end. So I think it is supposed to be a playful "what's that?" about his makeshift pitchfork. But you know, delivered by somebody who has settled for a very dull movie directed by a strange old man.
Lol it's just so thoughtlessly written. Are both of her lines are meant to be sarcastic? Both the, "What's that?" And the "Nice" after he tells her? If so, that's a much snarkier and borderline mean way to act. It's one thing to playfully snark at someone for a poor design. But to double down after they tell you and sarcastically add, "Nice," makes it clear you're still disapproving. Just over-analyzing for fun here lol. Also, to add another layer here, the pitchfork is the centerpiece of their costumes. Without it, no one would know who they were. It's so goofy that a husband and wife who make homemade costumes together for Halloween would make them completely separately and with no shared idea on the defining prop. It would be like if a couple were going as Harry Potter and Hermione with homemade costumes and the wife never saw the homemade wands until the last second. But yes, such a dull movie.
@@BraveNewSlop So true, lol. This movie gave me "real people don't talk that way" vibes stronger than almost any mainstream non-Shyamalan movie I can remember, especially in the jury scenes.
the movie was an early giveaway, then I started skiping it and I knew whats the outcome, I just wanted to see how it ends, you can easily tell, no thrill about amd no arguments to be made how it ended
The script is bad TV quality. I know you watch a lot of films, more well watched than me I'm sure. Do you think there's been a progressive slackening of critical standards and writing quality? Or do you try to avoid a lot of these Hollywood movies altogether.
@@BraveNewSlop No, I don't think there has been a significant decline in traditional, informed film criticism ....but it is hard to find amidst the endless sensationalist race for content and clicks, unthinkingly parroting the same phrases. There's no audience for a middling review. It has to be either the best or the worst. Interestingly Emilia Perez seems to have gone from being the best film ever to the worst film ever in the space of a month 🤔😂
@@steve4films 😂Haven't seen that one. Do you have a critic you trust and like? I have read so many different critic reviews in my life, and yet never found anyone who is remotely as insightful as Ebert. I understand that there are once-in-a-generation voices, but surely there's someone who at least offers a fraction of his consistent wisdom.
@ I think you just have to find people with similar tastes that you trust, ideally who also talk about some films you might not have heard of. 🤔 …and try to ignore/mute the reviewers who talk rubbish 😆.
I couldn’t disagree with some of your points more. You go off on a tangent about someone in something close to an office setting saying “Happy Halloween” as if that doesn’t happen? Maybe you haven’t experienced that? I know I have. The “joke” lines, that you panned, make sense in context (which you’ve stripped). They’re not zingy one-liners, they’re characters playing off each other to build atmosphere so that the jury isn’t just completely flat. You also misunderstood “how can we continue if we can’t reach a verdict”. The jury is deadlocked and they have decided that they won’t be able to agree on a verdict but only then does someone say “let’s continue to talk about it”. So it makes sense (once again, in the context of the scene) as “how can we continue [to move toward a verdict via discussion] if we can’t reach a verdict” Further, you complain about schlocky writing and then you hit us with “have their brains rotted so much that all slop tastes the same to them”. Maybe this is just rage bait like another commenter suggested and I’m the engagement you’re looking for to feed the algorithm. I really don’t think this movie is that bad and I hope you can see some of the bad faith you’ve put into this video
Very much appreciate the respectful constructive criticism. We may have to agree to disagree. I left tons of poor writing on the cutting room floor, so to speak. 1. Maybe my point about the Happy Halloween was poorly phrased. The chorus of dreary monotone Happy Halloweens feels very unnatural to me. I've only ever heard Happy Halloween said in a playful, teasing, or ironic manner. Never in a rote emotionless way. Because it's not a serious holiday. I may be wrong. 2. I'm not sure how they're not one-liners? They're forced, poorly written one-liners inserted unnaturally. No one responds to any of these one-liners. 3. I may not be understanding this point. You said, "how can we continue [to move toward a verdict via discussion] if we can’t reach a verdict." Is that not an inherently illogical statement? 4. There has to be a difference in writing expectations between a RUclips video and a movie script, no? If you want to compare stories I've written to the story the guy wrote, that's perfectly fair. I'm not criticizing his Tweets, I'm criticizing a movie. Are you curious to see my screenwriting? I can send you an example video from a previous channel. 5. This isn't rage bait, I genuinely think this movie is bad. I think the script is bad, most of the acting is terrible, it's filmed lazily too. There are certainly strong negative reviews of this movie too, from both critic and audience. Are those also rage bait? I mean, yes, this video is comedic in nature and I'm having fun by hyperbolizing, and I'm being provocative. But that doesn't mean I don't believe these are examples of bad writing, and that the movie is bad. This video is basically the type of conversation I'd have with a friend about the movie. Again, I appreciate your respectful comment and I would love to hear more from you on a future video if you're willing to stick around and see where the channel goes!
I mean I agree with some of the criticisms, but it comes off as pedantic and more nitpicking. If you want to criticize the dialogue as a means of how it shapes its characters, that’s fine, but you never got to the crux of characterization. I’m saying this as someone who found the movie severely flawed too, but I wouldn’t just point out cringe dialogue. The jury for example is far less dynamic than the jury in 12 Angry Men, and that in turn gives less weight to the drama. Each juror in 12 Angry Men had a distinctive personality that reinforced their motivations. You don’t get that in Juror #2. You only get a few while the rest are consolidated into them just not wanting to be there. Then there’s the overwrought directing. Too many shots in this movie try to emphasize it’s telling of our justice system but it’s so obvious and meandering it made me roll my eyes. Like the cut from the prosecutor’s reaction from the verdict to the state emblem. A prosecutor/politician that all of the sudden cares about justice even though she’s shown to only think about her campaign at the beginning.
I wanted to have some fun pointing out absurdities of the kind I rarely see in prestigious, critically acclaimed dramas. You're right, it's nowhere near a conventional review. I'm experimenting right now with what sorts of content I want to make. I could definitely make straightforward reviews--would be quicker, especially with the editing obligations. We'll see where the channel ultimately goes. Check out my Anora review if you're looking for a more conventional breakdown of a movie as a whole. Agree with your points. Especially the one about the prosecutor/politician. She's a side character, we know almost nothing about her. Yet the movie makes it about her moral journey rather than the main character, who at least has a little more depth. We don't care if she wins her campaign, if she loses it, if she forfeits it, if she quits her job, if she moves to Timbuktu. Again, it really feels like a ChatGPT story, because things happen that are vaguely logical (it's possible a prosecutor could have a change of heart) but are not persuasively realistic. A prosecutor changing from politician to detective and then willing to end her political aspirations to do the right thing is something that might occur over the course of an 8-episode TV show. Not in a handful of laughably literal scenes as the B-plot of an episode of Law and Order (like this movie).
You don't wish people Happy Halloween? Halloween and Christmas are the only holidays I really see everyone celebrating. And I did go to the hospital for a heart attack...which turned out to be gas.
Maybe my point was poorly made. I meant to describe the tone of it. Halloween is a silly, fun thing. So people don't really wish it in a serious, dry way. I've never heard anything like a chorus of monotoned, obligatory "Happy Halloweens" in real life. It just feels off, and it's obvious the screenwriter just shoehorned it in as a segue to the next scene in their costumes.
@BraveNewSlop because our main characters are disguising themselves. His wife doesn't even recognize the instrument her husband is associated with using. I'm not saying it is a great film, but it was good. 3.5 to 4 stats.
@ This is so interesting to me. I just can't understand why people liked it so much. I understand being intrigued by the plot at the beginning. But it starts to feel more and more like bad TV, and there's never any real payoff. For example, in 12 Angry Men we get to see the process of convincing the jury. In this movie, we see part of a process and then we cut to the verdict.
Wait, no way. I didn't realize that. Might check it out. It's funny, the premise is the one thing I gave credit to the writer for. Even that wasn't original!
This movie was actually really interesting, didn't hit every note the best it could, but it did a great job making the plot interesting and the characters were not as bad as you've cherry picked them to be. Your analysis of the dialogue is far too critical for the wrong reasons, you have to look at the character as a whole and not just what they are saying, cause sometimes a character saying something illogical or confusing is how that character is meant to be. I believe the dialogue was pretty realistic honestly, especially for a movie that clearly took a grounded approach it worked well. Make sure you enjoy movies instead of just judging them for what they could be, otherwise you won't find much joy in what is a fantastic art form.
Appreciate the thoughts here. Maybe we can agree to disagree. In a lot of ways, I think the longer scenes are worse than the short odd moments. I'm curious, just to get an idea, what might you rate the movie out of 10? Also, feel free to check out my video on 12 Angry Men if you're curious how I might view a similar movie, but one I loved.
Never heard of this movie and was looking into finding out about it through criticism but for someone who complains about people not acting human you don't seem to have much experience with them. Adults don't say Happy Halloween? Have you never had a job that requires polite but minimal interaction with others? And how did you manage to criticise the "heart attack/gas" line so wrongly and yet so loudly? The issue with that line isn't that it was just gas--this is a real, common occurrence, and idk what rock you live under that you've never heard of it--the issue is "they" (presumably the doctors) would not tell him he was having a heart attack--usually, it would be that the *patient* thinks they are having a heart attack, EKG shows fine, ends up being gas or heartburn bc believe or not bud, your digestive system isn't contained entirely in your butthole.
I've just never heard anything close to a monotone chorus of Happy Halloween. I've only ever heard Happy Halloween wished with playfulness or irony, considering it's not a serious holiday at all. You might say, "Have a great memorial day weekend," or something in a dry monotone, but in my experience, not "Happy Halloween." It would be as strange to me as a room full of people intoning "Happy Birthday" As far as gas, I thought acid reflux, heartburn, etc would cause higher chest symptoms. But I never knew "just gas" could mimic heart attack symptoms. These aren't the reasons the movie is bad, the movie is bad because it's all like this. But if I'm objectively wrong in my comments about the gas I may be able to cut out the part where I correct it.
Yikes, some of those clips make it seem terrible. Wasn’t going to watch because it doesn’t seem like my thing, but definitely not feeling it now. Hollywood films have become so impersonal and almost seem like they don’t want to connect with viewers. Seems like this is more of the same.
Well said. I hold out hope that criticism can sway the profit machine a bit. But I don't know how to improve critic talent, integrity, and honesty. Like, this movie should have been panned. Even if regular audience still liked it, even if it didn't lose a dime, the people involved in making it would feel some shame and reputational damage. That might affect their future opportunities. As it should be! It's as if critics have forgotten that art is supposed to be a highly competitive field. The lower the standards, the worse movies get. The lower the standards, the more the quality stuff is kept out. It feels like criticism now operates with the assumption that the vast majority of movies will be good, and just a small fraction will be bad.
I can't even lie, viewing movies like this must be so exhausting. Adults like Halloween. That's why there are adult Halloween parties. Also why Halloween movies are so popular. People absolutely say Happy Halloween in real life. I do find it funny that you are critiquing the movie for having unrealistic dialogue and you don't know that Halloween is a popular holiday for adults. And no, it absolutely was an ironic line about the pitchfork. She is poking fun at how it was made. This is obvious stuff. Also I'm assuming you're American. If you're an American then you have most likely driven past a bar that has a stupid name. They are all over this country.
Hmm, I don't find it exhausting. I find it invigorating. Movies make me feel all sorts of things, from revulsion to boredom to aggravation to joy and inspiration and reflection. Feel free to check out my analyses of Captain Fantastic or 12 Angry Men if you're interested in a celebration of a great work and its effects on us. Appreciate the perspective, let me see if I can clarify my thoughts. First, I may have been unclear in criticizing the movie's tone on Happy Halloween. People also say Happy Birthday, but it'd be weird for a chorus of adults to intone "Happy Birthday" in a gloomy monotone. It's just unnatural. It's possible the original script was intending her to poke fun at how it's made, but the acting doesn't have a hint of irony in her initial line. Or her follow up, "Nice!" Each line is perfectly literal and explanatory. What's that? It's my pitchfork. Nice! Even the lines on paper make it sound as if it's sincere. And the delivery even more so. Sure, bars have dumb names. And sure, I'm being hyperbolic throughout the video because I'm having fun making fun of a movie I thought was terrible. But it did absolutely feel ridiculous to me to have such a silly name for such a serious place. You don't want your actor saying, "Did you stop at Rowdy's Hideaway?" as the inflection point in your emotional climax. It sounds like a Chuck E Cheese or Dave and Buster's type arcade. It sounds like a theme park attraction. Like a mini golf course. Again, I'll accept that in the video I'm exaggerating a bit for humor. But I've got tons of other clips I left on the cutting room floor just because I didn't have time. It's filled to the brim with stuff like this, in my opinion.
🤣🤣 I really should have stopped. I'm a sucker for moral dilemmas. I kept telling myself somehow the writing quality would improve and the payoff would be fascinating.
Right, but we don't need to pretend people are making good things just because they're old. Whether this is terrible or great doesn't change Clint Eastwood's legacy. Though it would have been cool for him to go out a really awesome movie, can't deny.
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Drive Away Dolls. I have not seen Madame Web nor Kraven.
@@kasaibouF29 Haven't seen any of those actually. Noticed Drive Away Dolls was a Coen movie. Do you normally like Coen Brothers? I unpopularly think they're super overrated.
@BraveNewSlop I'm no homophobe, but the excessive lesbianity was too much for me.
when i watched the movie i kept on thinking "okay so when is it going to get good" but all of a sudden it ended.
🤣 That's exactly how it felt
The pitchfork scene was rlly bad but when he fixed it I actually jumped back and was like “wait that is good!” This guy is legit
Lol I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not 🙃
@ I’m being serious 😭
@ Aww thank you 😇
This movie is really bad, but it managed to do something most bad movies don't. I am usually very quick to identify a bad movie and even quicker to stop watching, yet I kept watching this drivel until credits rolled. I have no idea why I did that.
Lmaooo agreed. Exercising the right to quit watching or reading something bad is crucial life skill.
Sometimes slop is so bad it almost becomes the equivalent of mindless scrolling. You're not enjoying it but you're trapped in a semi-conscious passive state.
great video!
Thank you! :) Glad you enjoyed
Honestly I thought the movie was pretty good up until the third act when I feel like it just sort of wraps itself up very suddenly. I feel like the movie’s strengths are in Hoult’s performance. He’s electric in this.
I'd agree that Hoult carries the movie. I don't quite agree he's as good as you say. I think he plays his character a bit too moral. Like, for example, when he discussed being an alcoholic or in the flashback scene to considering a drink at Rowdy's Hideaway. I couldn't sense any of this "alcoholic bad man" that he described being in the past. Hoult just exudes "good person" energy generally (like making his Max Mad Fury Road antihero so lovable and sympathetic). I thought he turned it up too much in the dramatic scenes. But, hey, considering that I probably wouldn't have managed to finish the movie without Hoult in it, that says a lot for him.
heard from youtubers this movie was great and once i heard the premis and he actors in it i though "hell yeah i will watch that"
when the credits rolled i just felt nothing.
Lmao. It's such a poorly written movie.
His "pitchfork" seems to be a lacrosse stick with something taped on the end. So I think it is supposed to be a playful "what's that?" about his makeshift pitchfork. But you know, delivered by somebody who has settled for a very dull movie directed by a strange old man.
Lol it's just so thoughtlessly written. Are both of her lines are meant to be sarcastic? Both the, "What's that?" And the "Nice" after he tells her? If so, that's a much snarkier and borderline mean way to act. It's one thing to playfully snark at someone for a poor design. But to double down after they tell you and sarcastically add, "Nice," makes it clear you're still disapproving. Just over-analyzing for fun here lol.
Also, to add another layer here, the pitchfork is the centerpiece of their costumes. Without it, no one would know who they were. It's so goofy that a husband and wife who make homemade costumes together for Halloween would make them completely separately and with no shared idea on the defining prop. It would be like if a couple were going as Harry Potter and Hermione with homemade costumes and the wife never saw the homemade wands until the last second.
But yes, such a dull movie.
@@BraveNewSlop So true, lol. This movie gave me "real people don't talk that way" vibes stronger than almost any mainstream non-Shyamalan movie I can remember, especially in the jury scenes.
@ Lmao, it's so funny that we're in the minority of people who felt that way
The Kangaroo scene had me dying🤣
That's my favorite part too 🤣
same!! 😂
The time lapse argument scene 😆🤣 the clips you pulled make me want to watch this movie just to laugh at it
The time loop? Lol. I guess it could work for a bad movie night
the movie was an early giveaway, then I started skiping it and I knew whats the outcome, I just wanted to see how it ends, you can easily tell, no thrill about amd no arguments to be made how it ended
Yeah that's fair. I blame myself for watching it all the way thru
Not even AI could write it xD
Lol it's gotta be an alien then
@@BraveNewSlop on manatees with balls
I haven't seen this but I'd seen some positive reviews. The dialogue in the clips you show is hilariously clunky 😀.
The script is bad TV quality. I know you watch a lot of films, more well watched than me I'm sure. Do you think there's been a progressive slackening of critical standards and writing quality? Or do you try to avoid a lot of these Hollywood movies altogether.
@@BraveNewSlop No, I don't think there has been a significant decline in traditional, informed film criticism ....but it is hard to find amidst the endless sensationalist race for content and clicks, unthinkingly parroting the same phrases. There's no audience for a middling review. It has to be either the best or the worst. Interestingly Emilia Perez seems to have gone from being the best film ever to the worst film ever in the space of a month 🤔😂
@@steve4films 😂Haven't seen that one. Do you have a critic you trust and like? I have read so many different critic reviews in my life, and yet never found anyone who is remotely as insightful as Ebert. I understand that there are once-in-a-generation voices, but surely there's someone who at least offers a fraction of his consistent wisdom.
@ I think you just have to find people with similar tastes that you trust, ideally who also talk about some films you might not have heard of. 🤔 …and try to ignore/mute the reviewers who talk rubbish 😆.
I couldn’t disagree with some of your points more. You go off on a tangent about someone in something close to an office setting saying “Happy Halloween” as if that doesn’t happen? Maybe you haven’t experienced that? I know I have.
The “joke” lines, that you panned, make sense in context (which you’ve stripped). They’re not zingy one-liners, they’re characters playing off each other to build atmosphere so that the jury isn’t just completely flat.
You also misunderstood “how can we continue if we can’t reach a verdict”. The jury is deadlocked and they have decided that they won’t be able to agree on a verdict but only then does someone say “let’s continue to talk about it”. So it makes sense (once again, in the context of the scene) as “how can we continue [to move toward a verdict via discussion] if we can’t reach a verdict”
Further, you complain about schlocky writing and then you hit us with “have their brains rotted so much that all slop tastes the same to them”.
Maybe this is just rage bait like another commenter suggested and I’m the engagement you’re looking for to feed the algorithm. I really don’t think this movie is that bad and I hope you can see some of the bad faith you’ve put into this video
Very much appreciate the respectful constructive criticism. We may have to agree to disagree. I left tons of poor writing on the cutting room floor, so to speak.
1. Maybe my point about the Happy Halloween was poorly phrased. The chorus of dreary monotone Happy Halloweens feels very unnatural to me. I've only ever heard Happy Halloween said in a playful, teasing, or ironic manner. Never in a rote emotionless way. Because it's not a serious holiday. I may be wrong.
2. I'm not sure how they're not one-liners? They're forced, poorly written one-liners inserted unnaturally. No one responds to any of these one-liners.
3. I may not be understanding this point. You said, "how can we continue [to move toward a verdict via discussion] if we can’t reach a verdict." Is that not an inherently illogical statement?
4. There has to be a difference in writing expectations between a RUclips video and a movie script, no? If you want to compare stories I've written to the story the guy wrote, that's perfectly fair. I'm not criticizing his Tweets, I'm criticizing a movie. Are you curious to see my screenwriting? I can send you an example video from a previous channel.
5. This isn't rage bait, I genuinely think this movie is bad. I think the script is bad, most of the acting is terrible, it's filmed lazily too. There are certainly strong negative reviews of this movie too, from both critic and audience. Are those also rage bait? I mean, yes, this video is comedic in nature and I'm having fun by hyperbolizing, and I'm being provocative. But that doesn't mean I don't believe these are examples of bad writing, and that the movie is bad. This video is basically the type of conversation I'd have with a friend about the movie.
Again, I appreciate your respectful comment and I would love to hear more from you on a future video if you're willing to stick around and see where the channel goes!
Yeah I was disappointed with this movie … sad for Clint Eastwood tbh …
Agreed, would have been nice to see something quiet and personal as the last project. This was basically an obnoxious episode of TV.
I mean I agree with some of the criticisms, but it comes off as pedantic and more nitpicking. If you want to criticize the dialogue as a means of how it shapes its characters, that’s fine, but you never got to the crux of characterization.
I’m saying this as someone who found the movie severely flawed too, but I wouldn’t just point out cringe dialogue. The jury for example is far less dynamic than the jury in 12 Angry Men, and that in turn gives less weight to the drama. Each juror in 12 Angry Men had a distinctive personality that reinforced their motivations. You don’t get that in Juror #2. You only get a few while the rest are consolidated into them just not wanting to be there.
Then there’s the overwrought directing. Too many shots in this movie try to emphasize it’s telling of our justice system but it’s so obvious and meandering it made me roll my eyes. Like the cut from the prosecutor’s reaction from the verdict to the state emblem. A prosecutor/politician that all of the sudden cares about justice even though she’s shown to only think about her campaign at the beginning.
I wanted to have some fun pointing out absurdities of the kind I rarely see in prestigious, critically acclaimed dramas. You're right, it's nowhere near a conventional review. I'm experimenting right now with what sorts of content I want to make. I could definitely make straightforward reviews--would be quicker, especially with the editing obligations. We'll see where the channel ultimately goes. Check out my Anora review if you're looking for a more conventional breakdown of a movie as a whole.
Agree with your points. Especially the one about the prosecutor/politician. She's a side character, we know almost nothing about her. Yet the movie makes it about her moral journey rather than the main character, who at least has a little more depth. We don't care if she wins her campaign, if she loses it, if she forfeits it, if she quits her job, if she moves to Timbuktu.
Again, it really feels like a ChatGPT story, because things happen that are vaguely logical (it's possible a prosecutor could have a change of heart) but are not persuasively realistic. A prosecutor changing from politician to detective and then willing to end her political aspirations to do the right thing is something that might occur over the course of an 8-episode TV show. Not in a handful of laughably literal scenes as the B-plot of an episode of Law and Order (like this movie).
You don't wish people Happy Halloween? Halloween and Christmas are the only holidays I really see everyone celebrating. And I did go to the hospital for a heart attack...which turned out to be gas.
Maybe my point was poorly made. I meant to describe the tone of it. Halloween is a silly, fun thing. So people don't really wish it in a serious, dry way. I've never heard anything like a chorus of monotoned, obligatory "Happy Halloweens" in real life. It just feels off, and it's obvious the screenwriter just shoehorned it in as a segue to the next scene in their costumes.
@BraveNewSlop because our main characters are disguising themselves. His wife doesn't even recognize the instrument her husband is associated with using.
I'm not saying it is a great film, but it was good. 3.5 to 4 stats.
@ This is so interesting to me. I just can't understand why people liked it so much. I understand being intrigued by the plot at the beginning. But it starts to feel more and more like bad TV, and there's never any real payoff. For example, in 12 Angry Men we get to see the process of convincing the jury. In this movie, we see part of a process and then we cut to the verdict.
the movie is based on a french movie called "jurror 7" which is way better
Wait, no way. I didn't realize that. Might check it out. It's funny, the premise is the one thing I gave credit to the writer for. Even that wasn't original!
This movie was actually really interesting, didn't hit every note the best it could, but it did a great job making the plot interesting and the characters were not as bad as you've cherry picked them to be. Your analysis of the dialogue is far too critical for the wrong reasons, you have to look at the character as a whole and not just what they are saying, cause sometimes a character saying something illogical or confusing is how that character is meant to be. I believe the dialogue was pretty realistic honestly, especially for a movie that clearly took a grounded approach it worked well. Make sure you enjoy movies instead of just judging them for what they could be, otherwise you won't find much joy in what is a fantastic art form.
Appreciate the thoughts here. Maybe we can agree to disagree. In a lot of ways, I think the longer scenes are worse than the short odd moments. I'm curious, just to get an idea, what might you rate the movie out of 10?
Also, feel free to check out my video on 12 Angry Men if you're curious how I might view a similar movie, but one I loved.
Never heard of this movie and was looking into finding out about it through criticism but for someone who complains about people not acting human you don't seem to have much experience with them. Adults don't say Happy Halloween? Have you never had a job that requires polite but minimal interaction with others? And how did you manage to criticise the "heart attack/gas" line so wrongly and yet so loudly? The issue with that line isn't that it was just gas--this is a real, common occurrence, and idk what rock you live under that you've never heard of it--the issue is "they" (presumably the doctors) would not tell him he was having a heart attack--usually, it would be that the *patient* thinks they are having a heart attack, EKG shows fine, ends up being gas or heartburn bc believe or not bud, your digestive system isn't contained entirely in your butthole.
I've just never heard anything close to a monotone chorus of Happy Halloween. I've only ever heard Happy Halloween wished with playfulness or irony, considering it's not a serious holiday at all. You might say, "Have a great memorial day weekend," or something in a dry monotone, but in my experience, not "Happy Halloween." It would be as strange to me as a room full of people intoning "Happy Birthday"
As far as gas, I thought acid reflux, heartburn, etc would cause higher chest symptoms. But I never knew "just gas" could mimic heart attack symptoms.
These aren't the reasons the movie is bad, the movie is bad because it's all like this. But if I'm objectively wrong in my comments about the gas I may be able to cut out the part where I correct it.
Yikes, some of those clips make it seem terrible. Wasn’t going to watch because it doesn’t seem like my thing, but definitely not feeling it now. Hollywood films have become so impersonal and almost seem like they don’t want to connect with viewers. Seems like this is more of the same.
Well said. I hold out hope that criticism can sway the profit machine a bit. But I don't know how to improve critic talent, integrity, and honesty.
Like, this movie should have been panned. Even if regular audience still liked it, even if it didn't lose a dime, the people involved in making it would feel some shame and reputational damage. That might affect their future opportunities. As it should be!
It's as if critics have forgotten that art is supposed to be a highly competitive field. The lower the standards, the worse movies get. The lower the standards, the more the quality stuff is kept out. It feels like criticism now operates with the assumption that the vast majority of movies will be good, and just a small fraction will be bad.
I can't even lie, viewing movies like this must be so exhausting. Adults like Halloween. That's why there are adult Halloween parties. Also why Halloween movies are so popular. People absolutely say Happy Halloween in real life. I do find it funny that you are critiquing the movie for having unrealistic dialogue and you don't know that Halloween is a popular holiday for adults. And no, it absolutely was an ironic line about the pitchfork. She is poking fun at how it was made. This is obvious stuff. Also I'm assuming you're American. If you're an American then you have most likely driven past a bar that has a stupid name. They are all over this country.
Hmm, I don't find it exhausting. I find it invigorating. Movies make me feel all sorts of things, from revulsion to boredom to aggravation to joy and inspiration and reflection. Feel free to check out my analyses of Captain Fantastic or 12 Angry Men if you're interested in a celebration of a great work and its effects on us.
Appreciate the perspective, let me see if I can clarify my thoughts. First, I may have been unclear in criticizing the movie's tone on Happy Halloween. People also say Happy Birthday, but it'd be weird for a chorus of adults to intone "Happy Birthday" in a gloomy monotone. It's just unnatural.
It's possible the original script was intending her to poke fun at how it's made, but the acting doesn't have a hint of irony in her initial line. Or her follow up, "Nice!" Each line is perfectly literal and explanatory.
What's that?
It's my pitchfork.
Nice!
Even the lines on paper make it sound as if it's sincere. And the delivery even more so.
Sure, bars have dumb names. And sure, I'm being hyperbolic throughout the video because I'm having fun making fun of a movie I thought was terrible. But it did absolutely feel ridiculous to me to have such a silly name for such a serious place. You don't want your actor saying, "Did you stop at Rowdy's Hideaway?" as the inflection point in your emotional climax. It sounds like a Chuck E Cheese or Dave and Buster's type arcade. It sounds like a theme park attraction. Like a mini golf course.
Again, I'll accept that in the video I'm exaggerating a bit for humor. But I've got tons of other clips I left on the cutting room floor just because I didn't have time. It's filled to the brim with stuff like this, in my opinion.
I stopped watching halfway thru, so banal…
🤣🤣 I really should have stopped. I'm a sucker for moral dilemmas. I kept telling myself somehow the writing quality would improve and the payoff would be fascinating.
It’s a Clint Eastwood film. He’s very old
Right, but we don't need to pretend people are making good things just because they're old. Whether this is terrible or great doesn't change Clint Eastwood's legacy. Though it would have been cool for him to go out a really awesome movie, can't deny.
Your analysis is childish and shallow.
I liked it.
1 star.
It's alright if we disagree, though I'm curious, what would it take to change your mind?
This is a click bait RUclips video. Movie is good. Your channel is dog poo.
Why do you think it's clickbait?