Ranking Every Trainer, but Pokémon Levels are The Same!

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  • @smithplayspokemon
    @smithplayspokemon  8 месяцев назад +59

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    • @philipspigelmeyer959
      @philipspigelmeyer959 8 месяцев назад +10

      I just wanted to let you know that you said that elesa was the worst 4th gym leader at 7:51 at #135 but Erika was #142. 😂

    • @smithplayspokemon
      @smithplayspokemon  8 месяцев назад +9

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  • @ub-06austin40
    @ub-06austin40 8 месяцев назад +1027

    It makes sense that AI Sada and AI Turo would be so strong. Not only because of having teams of only Pokémon with Base Stat Totals reaching 570 and 590, but they even say themselves “My battling abilities are peerless. They are built upon analysis of all the battles carried out by the various Champions of the Paldea region.”

    • @Cr3zant
      @Cr3zant 8 месяцев назад +98

      But that means their data is based off of Geeta level players, not exactly the best thing to learn from. It's miraculous they're as good as they are.

    • @VestedUTuber
      @VestedUTuber 8 месяцев назад +100

      @@Cr3zant
      Assuming Geeta is the _actual_ champion and we don't have an "acting champion" thing going on here with her like we did with Lance in GSC and HGSS. We know that Nemona most likely beat Geeta, but we see her continuing to adventure rather than holding the champion's position.

    • @brocautry5063
      @brocautry5063 8 месяцев назад +111

      ​@@VestedUTuberExcept that's not how being a champion in Paldea works. In Paldea, being a champion isn't a position it's a rank. Anyone who makes it through the league challenge is a champion, and unlike in other regions they don't take over the champion spot from the person they defeated.

    • @ub-06austin40
      @ub-06austin40 8 месяцев назад +63

      Geeta and Nemona aren’t the only Champion-Ranked Trainers to have ever existed in Paldea. And even if it only looked at the two of them, Nemona alone is still strong enough to get valuable data.

    • @VestedUTuber
      @VestedUTuber 8 месяцев назад +43

      @@brocautry5063
      Actually, you basically confirmed my suspicions. If that's how it works then it _is_ effectively the same as with Lance in GSC/HGSS, because the champion you need to beat to become one yourself _isn't_ the most recent champion.
      In either case, that means that the other champions aren't weaker than Gretta, they're _stronger._

  • @grunkleg.29691
    @grunkleg.29691 8 месяцев назад +389

    I think this really goes to show how the amount of resources the player is given has a lot of influence on how difficult the boss fight is

    • @kylekyleson3971
      @kylekyleson3971 8 месяцев назад +63

      Yeah I think that's the real reason the newer games feel easier than the old ones. It's not that the new ones are badly designed, it's that players are just given access to way more pokemon, especially in the early game.

    • @tpfoxCastro
      @tpfoxCastro 8 месяцев назад +14

      @@kylekyleson3971 I wouldn't have the balls to say that new games are easier than older ones after Iono was born. She is the strongest gym leader compared to your resources in the entire franchise, I would even calling it unfair. Old games are easy, very very easy. I could beat any gen 1-4 game in a few hours because as older games, they are less complex and more easy to just patternize. You can't call a game hard if I can repeat the same inputs over and over (or just an overall simple strategy) and win easily. After seing how Iono is the strongest 3rd gym leader that will ever exist there's no way you can say newer games are easier. They are easy, but no easier.

    • @seththomas8970
      @seththomas8970 8 месяцев назад +19

      Even with all the resources I unironically thought Turo was pretty difficult. One of the only battles in the entire franchise I've had to retry a few times. I wish they'd make more battles like this

    • @kylekyleson3971
      @kylekyleson3971 8 месяцев назад +17

      @@tpfoxCastro Yeah I don't think the newer games actually ARE easier, I was mostly referring to a lack of difficulty being one of the common criticisms. Maybe that was more of an issue in Sword and Shield (I haven't played them yet, so I don't know), but Scarlet and Violet have some tough battles if you're not over-levelled.

    • @tpfoxCastro
      @tpfoxCastro 8 месяцев назад +4

      @@kylekyleson3971 Oh, I get it. Understandable, have a nice day

  • @rowan4573
    @rowan4573 8 месяцев назад +357

    Cheren beating Morty is like in my Soul Silver playthrough where he took out my entire team except a random Rattata I picked up and it won for me

    • @justinr.507
      @justinr.507 8 месяцев назад

      Go rat.

    • @Beulraeki
      @Beulraeki 8 месяцев назад +24

      This is me with a Furret that I accidentally brought to a Gengar fight.

    • @maskedtonez
      @maskedtonez 8 месяцев назад +43

      Your Rattata was of the top percentile

    • @enigmatic2878
      @enigmatic2878 8 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@maskedtonezHOW DARE YOU SAY SUCH A THING!!! ONLY YOUNGSTER JOEY HAS A TOP PERCENT RATTATA!!!

    • @AnarchHive
      @AnarchHive 7 месяцев назад +4

      It was my underleveled Pidgey at 15 for me... Gust go brrrrr! 😅 Took half his team.

  • @isuckatgaming1873
    @isuckatgaming1873 8 месяцев назад +589

    Bruno is kinda lucky that this is using gen 9 mechanics
    I takes his hitmonchan actually useful with the physical special split
    Meanwhile Lance suffers from the mechanic switch, since hyper beam don't work like gen 1 hyper beam.

    • @IanMalcolm99
      @IanMalcolm99 8 месяцев назад +38

      yeah, and gen 2, 3, 4, 5 steel type users are harmed by the lack of ghost/dark resistance, although the fairy type super effective does help. All poison type trainers are also pretty buffed by this too

    • @Cream147player
      @Cream147player 8 месяцев назад +19

      Yeah, Bruno's Hitmonchan goes from garbage in his own game to solid here.

    • @m05513
      @m05513 8 месяцев назад +18

      I mean Gen 1 Lance vs Gen 1 Bruno has to hope he can pull off the win with just gyarados + aerodactyl, because once the dragons come out they'll spam agility for the rest of time.

    • @Kanbei11
      @Kanbei11 8 месяцев назад +7

      Onix also gets sturdy so it's possible that his onix don't get one shot

    • @_Vengeance_
      @_Vengeance_ 8 месяцев назад +6

      @@m05513 Fortunately, that shouldn't be much of an issue. The Onixes get one-shotted by Hydro Pump (even if a miss, they're not going to do much with their pathetic base ATK and 65% Rock Throw accuracy), Hitmonchan's easy even with 4x effective Thunderpunch, and Hitmonlee should be easy as well despite Mega Kick. On top of all that, Bruno has no Smart AI, so his damage potential goes down tremendously vs Gyarados, and Lance has a Hyper Potion.
      So that leaves Machamp. The remainder of Gyarados as well as Aerodactyl can probably do the job, but let's assume they both deal 0 damage: other than Fissure which has 0% accuracy against everything in Lance's team since Machamp's slower than everything, Machamp can only damage with Submission. Bruno has no healing items (and Lance has 1 for each, which he won't even need). Lance spamming Agility will actually work, since Machamp will just knock itself out.

  • @jesuisunstroopwafel
    @jesuisunstroopwafel 8 месяцев назад +639

    Morty: "I fear no man. But this thing..."
    *points at Cheren*
    "It scares me."

  • @MrGeorgeFlorcus
    @MrGeorgeFlorcus 8 месяцев назад +93

    I suppose it makes sense that Raihan would be the #1 Gym trainer of all time; after all, he is introduced to us taking on Leon, who is the current champion and one of the best champions of all time. I think it's even stated somewhere that Raihan is considered strong enough that he could be a Champion in any other region, which stacks up considering how many champions he outranks.

  • @Sparkive
    @Sparkive 8 месяцев назад +51

    So... UltraSun/UltraMoon Hau don't count?
    He is the final boss of the main adventure in the games, he basically plays the role of the champion in the games

  • @peacocca190
    @peacocca190 8 месяцев назад +73

    Can't wait to see where BDSP Cynthia will be on this. I think the IVs, EVs and held items will make up for the BST difference and put her on top.

    • @Pgans94
      @Pgans94 8 месяцев назад +29

      I think she'll have a tough time competing with the absolute powerbloat that is the paradox pokemon, but yeah I hope she has a much better showing when she catches up with mechanics/movesets.

    • @Slimeonian
      @Slimeonian 8 месяцев назад +14

      @@Pgans94honestly I think Cynthia might just be able to beat them. I know the paradox Pokémon are strong, but All of Cynthia’s Pokemon have optimised EV’s and actual Held Items, unlike AI Sada and AI Turo

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 8 месяцев назад +4

      That was honestly the hardest fight i've ever had in this series. Both AI Turo and Volo I beat first try (idk if it was some sort of AI solidarity or something but that fight was NOT that hard) but Cynthia I was warring with for four straight hours to no avail.

    • @cephery8482
      @cephery8482 8 месяцев назад +6

      @@Pgans94turo and sada are the only true challenge. It’s sheer base stats and power creep in min maxxing as compared to powerful composition and cultured stats via nature, ev and iv.
      Uncapped levels bdsp cynthia cleanly wins as second highest average level + evs. Capped levels, she’s only really got the profs as competition, but evs and natures and items add so much to a pokemons potential.

    • @erikkesler1739
      @erikkesler1739 8 месяцев назад +2

      Sadly they didn't use BDSP

  • @CyberDrewan
    @CyberDrewan 8 месяцев назад +32

    Man, I love that my boy Raihan placed so high! His team is so versatile and well designed. It also helps that sandstorm is by far the best weather for the AI to use, since it can used way more passively than the other weathers with the chip damage and defense boost.
    I can’t wait to see N’s weather teams show up in future videos!

  • @HiImMatt12
    @HiImMatt12 8 месяцев назад +38

    Since there's going to be a 3rd installment in this series I'm genuinely curious how the teacher's Ace Academy Tournament teams stack up and how much stronger Geeta will be with her updated roster

    • @CyberchaoX
      @CyberchaoX 8 месяцев назад +8

      Also Nemona's League Club room teams.

    • @F14thunderhawk
      @F14thunderhawk 8 месяцев назад +7

      Geeta's blueberry team is actually decent since KG and Glimmora are in the correct positions, and gogoat has been replaced by an actually decent grass type, while Veluza has been fired for a Dragapult.

    • @dvillines26
      @dvillines26 8 месяцев назад +3

      I'm curious about all the HGSS rematch placements

    • @SerDerpish
      @SerDerpish 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@F14thunderhawkGogoat was never the problem in Geeta’s team lol

  • @ibrahimshah6652
    @ibrahimshah6652 8 месяцев назад +31

    ahh yes penny and her evolutions. genuinely dropped my drink

  • @Hyrulistic
    @Hyrulistic 8 месяцев назад +31

    The time has come! Thanks Smith for the hard work!!
    I still think the OG "simulating as-is level" has value too, since it helps confirm most gym leaders are usually better later on (and highlights the weird outliers).

    • @smithplayspokemon
      @smithplayspokemon  8 месяцев назад +8

      Well said! The other video is not without value at all.

    • @TARDISES
      @TARDISES 8 месяцев назад +4

      @@smithplayspokemon And now that the SV epilogue is out and this isn't leak territory (that even then I needed spelling out to me as I've not played gen 8 let alone the DLC) anymore, it's kinda funny how you ended up mentioning a certain someone's father right after her in the rankings... and I suspect you were picking up on it at the time with how similar their names are.
      Referring to Penny being close to Peony in that first video's rankings, here.

  • @ARDIZsq
    @ARDIZsq 8 месяцев назад +42

    You know, it's INSANE seeing the Professors do SO well, but it's a very welcome surprise. Also shoutouts to Nemona and Penny.

    • @e.m.5287
      @e.m.5287 7 месяцев назад +5

      It's not surprising when you consider the stat spreads of pokemon they use

  • @mechaswool
    @mechaswool 8 месяцев назад +20

    I'm both surprised and not surprised at the top few ranks.
    Also big props to who chose to include Sophisticated Fight as part of the background music early on

    • @genericgamer9910
      @genericgamer9910 8 месяцев назад +4

      Sophisticated Fight was the reason i never skipped or ran from a fight in Trails in the Sky

    • @KyunaCookies
      @KyunaCookies 8 месяцев назад +1

      Its such a fukin vibe
      Personally i prefer sky 3rd's one but theyre all peak

  • @peperoni_pepino
    @peperoni_pepino 8 месяцев назад +10

    While normal Cynthia did rank lower than I thought, it does make sense with the increasing amounts of post-game content (which have a steady power creep). If I understood you correctly, she is still the second or third strongest for her place in the game (being non-postgame) which is incredible considering how old gen 4 is.
    I wonder where her 'hidden boss' Unova teams rank, maybe also throw that in the gen 4 versus remake comparison?

  • @EmRTonk
    @EmRTonk 8 месяцев назад +21

    Im still curious how the Cut post Gen 1 Fight with Professor Oak would have ranked in both the simulations you have done so far.

    • @mokarokas-1727
      @mokarokas-1727 8 месяцев назад +7

      Without gen 1 mechanics, and without updated movesets, probably not high.

  • @psyrtemis
    @psyrtemis 8 месяцев назад +72

    Basically the older games are harder not because the teams are better but because we didnt have as many broken things as we do now. Cynthia team in SV would not be hard

    • @arpandas2243
      @arpandas2243 8 месяцев назад +3

      The same thing can be said for the fake boasting Clown with the most Overrated starter

    • @arpandas2243
      @arpandas2243 8 месяцев назад +4

      But whatever Blind Cynthia hater. You must be a Leon Fanboy just like the directors of Anime and Gamefreak before all their hopes getting dashed by BDSP Cynthia.

    • @tabbender1232
      @tabbender1232 8 месяцев назад +6

      That and the powercreep was so ridiculous that teams from the newer games that exploit these powercrept features pretty much had to win.
      DPPt's teams are no longer the strongest, but they're the best designed by far, the fact that they still score high desprite being at such a disadvantage compared to the newer games proves this

    • @arpandas2243
      @arpandas2243 8 месяцев назад

      @@tabbender1232 That's why you should look up to BDSP Cynthia which was purposefully ignored here to pump up Leon

    • @ThatWhoCares
      @ThatWhoCares 8 месяцев назад +21

      ​@arpandas2243 yo that's actually funny asf😂😂.... cuz like.. it's a joke right?

  • @1080ike
    @1080ike 8 месяцев назад +6

    I would have been interested to see teams from the remakes/directors cut versions of the games alongside the base game teams to explore how much better or worse these teams with better/more modern moves do over the older versions. For example, including Wattson's R/S team, his Emerald team, and his ORAS team, and see which one does best and by how much.

    • @Robbie_Haruna
      @Robbie_Haruna 8 месяцев назад

      The biggest disrepancy would absolutely be RS Tate and Liza vs Emerald Tate and Liza lol.
      Having only two Pokemon was ass for a seventh gym.

  • @caliburnleaf9323
    @caliburnleaf9323 8 месяцев назад +5

    When you look at Hitmonchan's moveset, it becomes clear how Red and Blue Bruno managed to overperform, despite widely being considered so bad. Thunder and ice punches in gen 1 were special moves, which are notoriously awful on Hitmonchan. In the gen 9 system, they're physical and have great coverage, so this likely was enough to prop him up.
    It's still disappointing that you don't include remake versions of early gen teams in these, or the Kanto revisit teams in GSC, especially since you *do* include so many variations of more recent trainers. If a trainer can have multiple versions included from the same game, then multiple versions across different games should be counted too. I wouldn't count post-game cameo battles of trainers from outside the current game, though, since those aren't required to "beat the game."

  • @yoshifan2334
    @yoshifan2334 8 месяцев назад +3

    It’s funny how gen 9 leaders actually get buffed by the lack of generational gimmicks, as they lose shared weaknesses due to their aces being of different type.

  • @ashtonoak4370
    @ashtonoak4370 8 месяцев назад +8

    Im hoping as you continue to do this you continue to tweak and fix the variables, this one is WAY better than the first experiment. And its only gonna get better. I see the vision
    .

    • @ashtonoak4370
      @ashtonoak4370 8 месяцев назад

      Still think, most leaders have underleveled Pokémon because of when you encounter them they arent at a level they can evolve, if they are capped at 50 and these are GREAT trainers 99% of them will evolve those Pokémon. And update moves, hard for me to see Agatha riding with her Gengar in Gen 9 with no new ghosts moves.
      If shes an elite 4 member chances are thier are elite 4 championships sp they can match up at thier level, and i PROMISE she aint rollin up with just dream eater.
      If we are gonna gen 9 them gotta Smogon the moves. Because they will have HIGHLY competitive Pokémon. You dont have to add Pokémon, but i promise Whitwould evolve her clefable, and have fairy moves. She aint last 19 years just being a push over.
      Thats where i wanna see the next video.

  • @sneakysneaking
    @sneakysneaking 8 месяцев назад +1

    I'm a bit sad villains like Cyrus Lusamine or Chairman Rose aren't included, because they serve the same role as characters like Sada Turo or Ghetsis, the only difference being that we fight them earlier in the game. A lot of them pose a much bigger challenge than most gym fights

  • @joshuafrazier3904
    @joshuafrazier3904 8 месяцев назад +3

    I can't wait to see how strong the BDSP Cynthia team is cause I know that entire E4 was on demon timing.

  • @DisastrousIntentionally
    @DisastrousIntentionally 8 месяцев назад +1

    I've done a lot of Pokemon challenge runs over the years and this video basically confirms a lot of the problem battles to me, was very satisfying to see. Turo is an absolute monster on challenge runs.

  • @giratinaorigin1431
    @giratinaorigin1431 8 месяцев назад +3

    Yeah, but what about Hau from Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon? That champion fight?

  • @legeul
    @legeul 7 месяцев назад +1

    The cow! That fucking cow! Witney being the strongest 3rd gym leader with all the powercreep of 19 years and it still not enough to dethrone the dam cow.

  • @ShackleYT
    @ShackleYT 8 месяцев назад +4

    For the next video whee you do the "absolute best" teams, will you be updating their learnsets as well? I'd love to see how high trace will rank when he has a 4th move on his side.

  • @MissOnana
    @MissOnana 7 месяцев назад +1

    I'm most excited for the 3rd iteration of this video. Later games in the series have all but confirmed that the team a leader uses in their storyline fight with you is NOT their actual/main/best team. The games have gone on record in recent gen showing us that all of these trainers have better set ups than what we see the first time around. They're going easy on us to test us at that specific level of skill. So it feels really unfair to use their first encounter teams. It especially does the earlier leaders super dirty. If we normalize for levels to be fair for the rankings, than we have to give them their best teams, too. Like, HGSS Red is MUCH scarier than OG Red fight, yanno??

  • @tabbender1232
    @tabbender1232 8 месяцев назад +5

    Sinnoh trainers are built different

  • @beepleboople
    @beepleboople 7 месяцев назад +1

    All the elite 4 members being beat by a child is hilarious

  • @Beulraeki
    @Beulraeki 8 месяцев назад +1

    I like how the top five strongest elite four members are all literal children.
    Then there's a teacher at number 6.

    • @Beulraeki
      @Beulraeki 8 месяцев назад

      And what I mean is that, yeah. Amarys, Drayton, Lacey, and Crispin are counted as Elite Four members in their school. Even though I actually think Drayton is an adult, Drayton is still a student in this school.

  • @Witzwo1
    @Witzwo1 8 месяцев назад +2

    It would be nice to have a short table at the end of the video about the strongest and the weakest Trainer of every category (1st gym leader, 2nd gym leader, etc.) Just as a summary. It does not need to be voiced.

  • @Lahiss
    @Lahiss 8 месяцев назад +10

    You should do this with their full rematch teams (if available, RIP Kalos in that one).

  • @cultofmel
    @cultofmel 8 месяцев назад +1

    If it's possible, for the next video you should disable the Physical/Special split for Generations 1-3, and disable the Sp.Atk/Sp.Def split for Generation 1. I feel like it would give us much more realistic data for how quite a few of those older trainers perform.

  • @nesradub360
    @nesradub360 8 месяцев назад +3

    To account for power creep and due to mechanic changes, I would've used FRLG teams for Kanto gym leaders (except Giovanni since he doesn't have Rhydon, so Yellow makes more sense for him), and HGSS teams for Johto Gym Leaders.

  • @SomeGuy712x
    @SomeGuy712x 8 месяцев назад +1

    I really like how Poppy ended up being the strongest Elite 4 member. Tinkaton FTW!

  • @alexv1154
    @alexv1154 8 месяцев назад +6

    makes sense that Utro would place where he did, after all, if Power Creep occurs as time goes on, then he has centuries of power creep on his side.
    and Sada does say the ancient variants are stronger than their modern counterparts

    • @F14thunderhawk
      @F14thunderhawk 8 месяцев назад +1

      all paradox pokemon are borderline pseudolegendaries or legendaries outright, meaning their team of 6 pokemon is inherently already superior to basically everyone else.
      having passable movesets helps a ton, but the difference is night and day. Cynthea still has the best team ever given to a single character, but that team requires very technical play to fully express their capabilities, especially the BDSP team.

    • @psychospeech6189
      @psychospeech6189 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@F14thunderhawkdude.. its not that hard to use her team

  • @thewaffle4049
    @thewaffle4049 4 месяца назад +1

    Would love to see this type of video with the super bosses like Wally included

  • @scizoreon4068
    @scizoreon4068 8 месяцев назад +5

    Very interesting video. I am curious though as to why the Kanto leaders G/S teams and Hau were excluded.
    There are a few other strong trainers that could have been included such as the Alola league challengers (Ryuki, Plumeria, Sophocles, Guzma, Gladion, Lusamine), Sordward, Shielbert, Klara, Avery and Volo but I can understand why they weren't included or missed.

  • @baddragonite
    @baddragonite 8 месяцев назад +1

    I like how the sponsor was integrated in the video

  • @Eliwood29
    @Eliwood29 7 месяцев назад +1

    Might be a cool idea to include Pokémon colosseum and XD Gale of Darkness top trainers id love to see where they go in lists like this

  • @palpitoadman321
    @palpitoadman321 8 месяцев назад +4

    The madlad really did it! Rooting for Cynthia personally

    • @arpandas2243
      @arpandas2243 8 месяцев назад +1

      They purposefully hid bdsp cynthia to meat ride leon even more

    • @arpandas2243
      @arpandas2243 8 месяцев назад +1

      and bdsp is the best game for making cynthia really OP and a tight slap to the meat riding Leon Directors of Anime and Gamefreak

    • @mokarokas-1727
      @mokarokas-1727 8 месяцев назад

      @@arpandas2243 You have a serious problem, it's scary how intense your feelings are on Pokémon that you straight up make up stuff like this about people. Btw, are you even old enough to ever have ridden meat? lol

    • @arpandas2243
      @arpandas2243 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@mokarokas-1727 no I havent but the directors in anime and gamefreak sure love to. And I am a Male why should I need to experience that

    • @mokarokas-1727
      @mokarokas-1727 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@arpandas2243 Lots of males experience that, also the other way around with having the meat ridden. Why are you using it as an insult, especially with no experience?
      No, you just have a problem with intense feelings on Pokémon, leading you to make up stuff about people (and repeating it a dozen times in this comment section).

  • @soundrogue4472
    @soundrogue4472 8 месяцев назад +1

    Cynthia being the raining champion for 12 years is just insane to me but makes sense.

  • @mrexists5400
    @mrexists5400 4 месяца назад

    The best trainer is... "Me, I win. *I always win!* "
    Random bug trainer: "AaaAAaaugh!"

  • @BrendanGeormer
    @BrendanGeormer 8 месяцев назад +5

    I wonder how possible it would be to have a ranking of teams where you could have different sets of mechanics for each person. Like have gen 1 teams with the mechanics of the games they were from (just in gen 1 you have things like hyper beam, old blizzard freeze chance, psychic-type nonsense, and wrap mechanics), and the AI type used at the type. Maybe even including the special mechanics like mega evolution and tera-types, though that could maybe be best suited as an addendum. Presumably still place trainers at a level cap, but I would be curious if dragon types pre-fairy were given, say, a neutral interaction with fairy-types and how that might change things.

  • @Alice-FE
    @Alice-FE 7 месяцев назад

    THING I NOTICED! Cheren's Lillipup against Whitney's Miltank was female, while in the games it was male, meaning that the genders were randomized, and not set properly to match the games. Whitney might've had even more of an advantage if the genders of pokemon were set accordigly.

  • @bl_ss
    @bl_ss 8 месяцев назад

    Top 5 was super fitting albeit not expected. Also that sponsor segment was seamless lmao
    Can't wait for the vid of all the best teams

  • @christophercobler9774
    @christophercobler9774 8 месяцев назад +1

    Should do this similar, but fully evolved with levels at 60.

  • @pcn545
    @pcn545 6 месяцев назад

    It’s crazy seeing some of the hardest gym leaders at the bottom, especially cheren when he’s the strongest first gym but weakest trainer

  • @healthyminds9279
    @healthyminds9279 8 месяцев назад

    The previous version of this video was awesome, because we could see the upsets of trainers winning with lower level Pokemon than their opponent.
    This video is even MORE awesome because we get to see a much more fair version of the massive Round Robin, much closer to how the trainers would be in-universe relative to each other.
    If we wanted to go one step FURTHER and do something more insanely cool, then we should do this same competition, but with these attributes:
    1. All trainers have full teams of six
    2.All Pokemon are fully evolved
    3. All Pokemon are level 100
    4. All existing moves with a similar, more powerful level-up move are replaced with it (e.g. replace Ember with Flamethrower)
    I know this would take a lot of work, but the pool of trainers could be reduced if needed. And you'd need to think of a fair system or formula for filling out the rest of each trainer's team.

  • @Arjun-ct5sq
    @Arjun-ct5sq 8 месяцев назад +1

    u should make a website that lets us make teams and simulate like this

  • @jef509
    @jef509 7 месяцев назад

    I would like to see this but with all the important characters you normally fight in the games like evil team leaders. And of course if you choose to put Hop into this then you need all the other rivals as well.

  • @royaldayz18
    @royaldayz18 8 месяцев назад +3

    Are the Orre games excluded for being spinoffs, or are they excluded for their teams not being designed with singles in mind? I think it'd be slightly interesting to see how the teams including legendaries would fare (Perhaps the Shadow moves can be replaced with the moves that replace them upon purification?)

  • @LegoCat88
    @LegoCat88 8 месяцев назад

    I’m so happy Raihan lived up to his in game reputation (being strong enough to be a champion but refuses to give up on beating Leon)

  • @WolframYouTube
    @WolframYouTube 8 месяцев назад

    This was a really interesting video, it's really cool to see that Whitney and Cynthia hold up so well compared to modern day Pokémon.
    The one trainer I kinda missed from this analysis is the post-Champion fight with AZ from XY. Considering it happens right after you beat Diantha in the ceremony when you become champion, it feels like the "final boss" for XY from a narrative POV (although definitely not from a power POV). He apparently also uses the XY gym leader theme in the battle, so it feels like it'd fit.

  • @laterforwork
    @laterforwork 8 месяцев назад +1

    Now do this but they all have rematch teams

  • @zaneheaston8254
    @zaneheaston8254 8 месяцев назад +5

    And people say modern Pokémon games are too easy

    • @adhamwashere5320
      @adhamwashere5320 8 месяцев назад +2

      Cuz they are.

    • @zaneheaston8254
      @zaneheaston8254 8 месяцев назад

      @@adhamwashere5320 Then explain the #2 & #1 trainers on this ranking

    • @adhamwashere5320
      @adhamwashere5320 8 месяцев назад

      @zaneheaston8254 I didn't play sv, but I did play swsh and Leon was easy

    • @devilrider39000000
      @devilrider39000000 7 месяцев назад +3

      ​@zaneheaston8254 Easy question, with a simple answer. It's because in modern games the player has access to more of an abudence of resources that the player never had access to in the earlier gen games.

    • @zaneheaston8254
      @zaneheaston8254 6 месяцев назад

      @@devilrider39000000 The oppenent also has access to those resources, looks at the insane coverage of the AI Professors

  • @linkmasterman1
    @linkmasterman1 6 месяцев назад

    TBH, Kabu managing to dethrone Whitney is impressive considering he's a fire type gym leader with an ace quad weak to rollout.

  • @designerwookiee
    @designerwookiee 8 месяцев назад +2

    So it's official, Whitney's Miltank is an absolute beast.

  • @doomyboi
    @doomyboi 8 месяцев назад

    Feels like Whitney really just wanted to have her team be just her Miltank but tossed a random clefairy she'd literally just caught in there just because there was some kind of rule in the Johto gym circuit about meeting a minimum team size or something.

  • @jaxthomas3202
    @jaxthomas3202 8 месяцев назад +1

    I kind of wished you used their 6 pokemon teams. Almost every single trainer here has a 5 or 6 pokemon team due to postgame rematchs.

  • @Lmjacks
    @Lmjacks 8 месяцев назад

    respect for running all these battles and putting this list together but nobody can convince me that this video wasn’t actually made to induce repeated heart attacks from trainer and pokemon name pronunciations

  • @SomeStrangah345
    @SomeStrangah345 8 месяцев назад

    I was pleasantly surprised to see Turo place #1. I’m also glad Leon ranked as high as he did. Personally, just from playing Sword and Shield and watching Journeys, he’s become one of my favorite champions. I’m bummed to see N rank as low as he did, because he’s probably my favorite antagonist in the entire franchise

  • @Alex-ko897
    @Alex-ko897 7 месяцев назад

    It would be pretty hard, but imagine just doing this but with their best team posible, giving them iv's and ev's etc, competitive build, there you'd know who's the best

  • @JoyDaBeast
    @JoyDaBeast 8 месяцев назад +1

    if you want to make another part, instead of having the leaders fight each other, have them fight teams that you can use at that point of the game
    because of course milktank isnt gonna beat like hop or smth, but your encounters at each point change how hard a battle will be.

  • @Mrnothing152
    @Mrnothing152 8 месяцев назад +1

    Melony seems to narrowly beat out both Raihan teams which makes sense

  • @jayd.doubledubs
    @jayd.doubledubs 8 месяцев назад

    Oh I am so excited for the full power version of this. We're going to find out who truly is the strongest when everyone is going all out

  • @pipoledo
    @pipoledo 7 месяцев назад

    love that this time you put the trainer stats on battle

  • @Ktjnn
    @Ktjnn 8 месяцев назад

    To whomever edited, I love your use of Sophisticated Fight. One of my favorite battle themes of all time.

  • @Houlgravely
    @Houlgravely 7 месяцев назад +1

    Kinda sad that the top 50 were all basically foregone conclusions with the way the games have powercrept.

  • @niles8576
    @niles8576 7 месяцев назад +1

    love hearing trails music in videos. i love sophisticated fight, its such a banger

  • @PokemonaMoni
    @PokemonaMoni 8 месяцев назад

    I'm curious to see how some antagonists would fare. The USUM ones have legendaries and teams of 6. Also Volo, even without Giratina he has a solid team

  • @Alex-ud6kv
    @Alex-ud6kv 8 месяцев назад

    "Whitney held the title of strongest 3rd gym leader for 19 years"
    That's not necessarily how that works if her ranking is based on beating trainers in later gens. E.g. a different 3rd gym leader might have disproportionately worse matchups against newer teams and might be ranked higher than Whitney if limiting the competition

  • @the-sillycate
    @the-sillycate 7 месяцев назад

    I love how the top spots are canon accurate. Also things like Raihan being the strongest gym leader, also canon accurate.

  • @primrosevale1995
    @primrosevale1995 9 дней назад

    Bro's Geeta bias is so bad he forgot to include her Indigo Disk team.

  • @gadget8637
    @gadget8637 8 месяцев назад

    The professors do say they are peerless, lol.

  • @Betsyboi
    @Betsyboi 8 месяцев назад

    I can’t wait for the video with the strongest teams for everyone. I’m very into the belief that gym leaders purposely hold back during the journey but that they all have similar power levels when going all out.
    Also, both Red and Cynthia’s best teams are so broken and I wanna see who ranks higher overall😄

  • @nusuka7474
    @nusuka7474 8 месяцев назад

    7:45 "Elesa is claiming the title of worst gym leaser"
    Ramos one spot below Elesa:
    Still an amazing video and tons of respect for making it

    • @youtube-kit9450
      @youtube-kit9450 7 месяцев назад

      It's honestly funny how many people say Elesa is super hard in BW, but this basically validates me never having a problem with her beyond her Emolgas constantly switching being annoying as hell.

  • @1stCallipostle
    @1stCallipostle 6 месяцев назад

    Disqualifying the BBE4 from Elite 4 rankings is... A very strange move.

  • @McBehrer
    @McBehrer 7 месяцев назад +1

    You seem to have forgotten some. Volo, namely, plus the Team Star bosses if you want to count those (since you counted Penny)

  • @Oscar92839
    @Oscar92839 3 месяца назад +1

    5:11 dont get why cyndaquil hasn’t evolved at 14 😂
    Probably did an ash i assume

  • @starr_tots
    @starr_tots 8 месяцев назад

    the only pokenon that got to use their ability on turo and sada’s teams were the final ones, they still got that high even with 5 of their mons essentially having no abilities

  • @I_saw_that956
    @I_saw_that956 6 месяцев назад

    weaving the sponsor ad into the content itself was both frustrating and incredibly clever, well done and I hate it. at least it was opera.
    also having skipped gen 9 entirely seeing the professor chad meme at #1 is hilarious. It's unfortunate cynthia got deposed but holding her title so long was impressive, almost as impressive as whitney's dreaded miltank.

  • @3XILEts
    @3XILEts 4 месяца назад

    Rip to Team Star, Team Aqua, Team Magma, Team Skull, Team Flare, and whatever hooligans ran around in Galar. Oh and the Legends Arceus Trainers

  • @micu8942
    @micu8942 7 месяцев назад

    it would be really interesting to see the teams of the gym leaders and champions in b2w2 challenge mode pokemon world tournament, since all of them have a full team of 6, and have almost the same difficulty as a battle frontier

  • @thegameowl11
    @thegameowl11 8 месяцев назад

    When it comes to the BB elite 5, I honestly had a harder time with Lacy and Crispin than I did with Drayton and Amarys. I think that’s just because I had an iron bundle that made Drayton easy and a Ceruledge that melted Amarys. But my doubles team doesn’t quite have a hard counter for fire or especially fairy. I might consider giving my Ting-Lu heavy slam and Tera steel for coverage so my team doesn’t get wrecked by fairy’s in the future. But I do have a few strats to handle fire teams with Ceruledge and Iron Bundle being able to technically take care of them with Ting-Lu as support.

  • @MangaDungeon
    @MangaDungeon 8 месяцев назад

    Id like to see this video again but for like gym leader rematch teams!
    Some of them have a lot of rematch teams but it would be cool to see some more complicated math where it isn't instantly clear who sucks the most

  • @timenchanter1983
    @timenchanter1983 8 месяцев назад

    Everyone complaining about Leon the unbeatable champion being weak, turns out he's the only champion to beat Cynthia and is beaten only by 2 time travellers and his master

  • @kingoftherevolution4855
    @kingoftherevolution4855 4 месяца назад

    there is an incredible video that did this with every trainer in a game and has incredible visuals. I wish I could remember the channel. it also used original software and ai. it was a whole deal.

  • @nyrambler23
    @nyrambler23 8 месяцев назад

    Epilogue Nemona should take the cake next time; that team was wild lol

  • @MrMariosonicman
    @MrMariosonicman 8 месяцев назад

    I wonder if most of the "strongest version of the trainers" are gonna be taken from black and white 2s world tournament mode, cause theres alot of teams that can be chosen between the region cups and the world cups.

  • @zmoc
    @zmoc 8 месяцев назад

    i really wanna see remakes included in videos like this because trainers like zinnia would perform quite well imo

  • @Eepoo50
    @Eepoo50 8 месяцев назад

    Fun video! Would like to see even more characters added - Rival's, team leaders/admins, if you're balancing out levels to 50 you could even add battle facility characters.

  • @RailGun256
    @RailGun256 8 месяцев назад

    Poppy ironically was the only E4 member to give me trouble in scarlet/ violet. i dont feel quite as bad about that now

  • @beastfire7300
    @beastfire7300 8 месяцев назад +1

    You forgot secret boss from gen 1, professor oak

  • @el_envy
    @el_envy 8 месяцев назад

    Cynthia's team also exists before the introduction of the Fairy type, which Leon's team does account for. Obviously I have no evidence to prove that it affected her ranking, but I imagine there's a chance considering Fairy type Pokemon provides a weakness to Spiritomb, an additional check to Garchomp with and a neutral type matchup to Lucario who doesn't have any Steel STAB and hits with a non effective STAB with Fighting she may have lost matches to teams using Fairy types that changed her overall ranking. Which is to say I'm not too surprised at the leaders who under performed when they came out before one of the best typings in the series.
    I'm curious to see if her BDSP team does any better. (Lucario actually rocking Flash Cannon this time and Garchomp with Poison Jab)

  • @TheAnonimoshadow
    @TheAnonimoshadow 8 месяцев назад +1

    It would be cool to know which is the lowest ranking trainer who beat n°1

  • @aneonfoxtribute
    @aneonfoxtribute 8 месяцев назад

    Woah, Trails music jumpscare. I wasn't expecting to hear Trails in the Sky music

  • @abzhz101handle9
    @abzhz101handle9 8 месяцев назад

    I think a lot of the Gen 9 Gym Leaders were helped by the lack of mechanics, since that gave them all a pokemon with actually different weaknesses to their standard typing. Like going through the game, I would constantly think that no human would ever Terra their "X" into this mon who has been spamming super effective attacks. But I know they will because that's how the programming works.