2024 Oscar Nominations Reaction - For Your Consideration
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
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This David LaMan character really loves telling people how right he is all the time.
He said in the prediction video that Perri’s logic with America Ferrera was off. But Perri was right all along.
And generally speaking, it is always about someone he doesn’t think is observing that is usually a woman or a movie with mostly women in it. 😅
@@fojemo1661yeah, I saw that yesterday. I don’t like his vibe.
@@kelfincher5232 Or a movie with non-white people.
He also is apparently made of money.
I love when Jeff says something and Perri makes that face like “oh stop it.” 😂 Much love to the FYC crew!!!
Margot was not snubbed. She’s somewhere between 6-10th on the list so yeah not having her in the final 5 makes sense.
Margot was definitely 6th. She should’ve totally gotten in over Bening.
This discussion is so old and boring by now.
I wouldn’t have complained had it been someone like Greta Lee getting nominated, but Benning is such a boring nomination. She was good, but shouldn’t have been nominated ahead of Margot
I’d say she was a snub considering she got CC, SAG, GG and even BAFTA.
@@DrAkuIa1that’s what makes it hurt more
The gender argument for Greta Gerwig is not sound because Joseph Kosinski also did not land a Best Director nom for Top Gun: Maverick.
It's just a weak and lazy argument in general that lacks context. Is the director's branch too male centric? Absolutely. Are there too few female filmmakers nominated over the years? Absolutely. But is it a surprise the director's branch ignored a prototypical big hollywood blockbuster film? Absolutely NOT. They do it frequently. Barbie did not resonate as well with the international film community.
I thought the exact same thing I also disagreed with Mantz when he said Barbie was a much better film than way of water when I personally believe it’s the opposite way round
@@travisearl771 You're missing the point friend. If your argument is that the director's branch needs to diversify more (right now I read it is an 80/20 male/female split), then absolutely I agree. If your argument is that women filmmakers need more opportunities to make films and get recognition/acclaim, then absolutely I'm with ya. But if you're insinuating that a body of people who have a long track record of ignoring mainstream, popculture hollywood blockbuster films for Best Director, all of a sudden leaves out Greta because "sexism" then I think you're missing the forest for the trees. It The fact that Justine got in instead of Gerwig only further illuminates my point, its not sexism, its the director's branch prefers "auteur" films/filmmaking.
@@travisearl771 First, I agree there has been way too many female filmmakers whose great work was never nominated for the oscars. I think that largely has to do with the lack of opportunity (sexism) in the industry as a whole. Also, that lack of opportunity then led to a male-dominated director's branch in the academy (the group who nominates the directors). I'm not saying because Justine got in that means there's no sexism. I'm saying, if you look at the fact that Justine got in you will see the real reason for Gerwig's absence. You say "they dont recognize deserving work by a female auteur in a blockbuster movie is sexism." When the fact is they hardly if ever recognize deserving work by any filmmaker in a commercial film. James Cameron (Avatar 2), Joseph Kosinski (Top Gun Maverick), Denis Villeneueve (Dune), Ryan Coogler (Black Panther), Chris Nolan (Inception), all men who made arguably the biggest film of the year, whose film got nominated for best picture, but who missed out on best director. Meanwhile if you look at who has been nominated just in the past 6 years: Justine Triet, Jonathan Glazer, Ruben Ostlund, Ryusuke Hamaguchi, Thomas Vinterberg, Bong Joon-Ho, Pawel Pawlikowski. All internationally praised films and filmmakers, all more "prestige" films. That's because that's who the director's branch is. They have a lot of international members who don't gravitate towards hollywood commercial films.
@@travisearl771 Agreed. I think it all feeds into one another. A history of lack of opportunity for female filmmakers in hollywood established a directors branch that is predominantly male. And while things have improved, it is still very male dominated in directing opportunities for commercial films. So take the already low opportunities affordable to female filmmakers and mix in a large international contingent who dont resonate with hollywood commercial films, and it equals Greta missing out. For all we know, Greta was number 6 in the voting and just missed out. Point being, the odds were definitely not in her favor.
I still can’t believe Scott and Perri voted against Sandra Hüller in Anatomy of a Fall. The audacity! Watch and appreciate some more non-English speaking films for god‘s sake. Starting with The Teachers‘ Lounge which got nominated today and you refused to watch at Telluride and TIFF despite the strong buzz from Berlinale and Sony Pictures Classics having it.
agreed!
That was baffling
She gave the best performance of the year. Period.
France lost the best international Oscar via stupidity🙈
But yeah after her 2 BAFTA noms I was pretty confident that Sandra Hüller would be nominated.
Das Lehrerzimmer being nominated also made me smile :)
@@drknightmare9963wrong, Anatomy have more than 50% of english language, not qualified for the Internacional category.
Everyone forgets Lily Gladstone isn't the first Native actress to be nominated. That was Yalitza Aparicio from Roma in 2019! Lily is the first from the US, which is still monumental since the Oscars are American.
I love scott and perri's ny accents. "Was Aur-ajin nominated?" "It felt like an egregious snub to may" LOL its like watching the sopranos
Lessons to take from these nominations :
- the international voters are starting to have more and more influence and the Oscars are slowly but surely diving away from being American film awards.
- Films released after the beginning of December are doomed : Saltburn, Iron Claw, All of Us Strangers, Origin...
- Campaigns led by companies usually focus on one movie if they don't have enough financing : Neon focused on Anatomy of a Fall and completely left out Origin although with an earlier and stronger campaign, it could've gotten the To Leslie treatment.
A24 went all in for Past Lives and Zone of Interest but left out Priscilla and Iron Claw (although Priscilla had a better timed release).
- The directors branch needs to be diversified with more female directors who won't be unreasonably biased towards female-made movies about women ! 1/5 is now not enough of a good cover and people can see right through it.
For the last one, who are you cutting? I support cutting Scorsese and have not seen Glazer, but Lanthimos and Nolan are undeniable (and most put Scorsese on that list, though I think they are just wrong). But I do agree, Song was more deserving than Scorsese or Triet and should have gotten the nomination (and I personally would have put her second only to Lanthimos, but I do acknowledge Nolan’s accomplishment as deserving of at least a nomination).
12:15 Yalitza Aparicio is Indigenous and was nominated for Best Actress in 2019 for Roma.
While I don't always agree with Jeff, I think he's right in this instance of Gerwig's omission. I don't think Gerwig's absence has anything to do with her being a woman. The directors branch doesn't tend to gravitate towards Hollywood blockbuster films. They prefer more "auteur" films, take that as you will. Exhibit A, look at Inception, the movie of the year, gets all these technicals, but Nolan doesn't get director. The international filmmaker sect of the directors branch were not as high on Barbie. How many times were directors nominated for a huge blockbuster film in the past 10 years? Todd Phillips for Joker? That's it? And yes, while Oppenheimer was a huge hit, that film is a much more "typical" oscar style film. Honestly, if it wasn't for the dual marketing with Barbie, I dont think it wouldve been nearly as big. It was just a stacked year for directors. She could've been 6. You can't say "She SHOULD be there" without pointing out who SHOULDN'T be there in your view.
Too bad that All of Us Strangers was ignored. A beautiful film with exceptional performances.
The only true snub is Dua Lipa for her song Dance the Night. The rules make it so only two songs can be nominated per film so even though her song was the third best. Get rid of that dumb rule so the five best songs can be nominated. Now they are missing out on one of the biggest stars in the world performing at the Oscars.
I'm so bummed about that
“If a man would’ve directed the biggest movie of the year with some of the best crafts he would’ve been nominated”
Factually wrong!
Proof?
Joseph Kosinski & James Cameron, last year for the two biggest movies of last year, with multiple Oscar nominated crafts.
I mean, you don’t/cannot provide “proof” for speculation. The whole premise of the show is guessing and hypothesis based on personal perspective, she’s not writing a research paper, she doesn’t need to cite her sources 😂
Denis Villeneuve for Dune. Ryan Coogler for Black Panther. Christopher Nolan for Inception. All Best Pic noms, no best director. It happens ALL THE TIME. The director's branch doesn't gravitate towards the typical mainstream, pop culture hollywood blockbuster movies.
Very happy for Justine Triet and Sandra Hueller!! I was sad Milo did not get nominated for supporting actor. And i'm terribly disappointed Alexander Payne got snubbed :-( Now rooting for Justine, Sandra Paul Giamatti, Davine Joy and The Anatomy of a Fall and The Holdovers
I do not believe Margot or Greta was a snub because they legitimately did not have a shot at actually winning the Oscar.
Well then what’s the point in the other nominees? Nolan is obviously winning Best Director and Emma Stone or Lily Gladstone are winning Best Actress. What’s the point in even nominating anyone else by your logic?
I think that’s why Greta, Margot and Leo didn’t make the final cut.
And Emily Blunt was a surprise
@@BobbyM817it is a definition that is catching on because people are tired of a category of 5 having 7 “snubs”. It treats “snub” like a genuine surprise instead of just a natural result of competition (expected 4s and 5s are going to fall out, that’s just how it works). For example, not counting techs, I don’t think there were any genuine snubs this year, and Deadwyler and Top Gun cinematography were the only 2 snubs last year (which emphasizes how important/weird them missing was).
The semantic debate over the term “snub” is getting tired. It’s a word that’s based on opinion, it doesn’t require correcting everyone.
I hope Perri made her flight!
It’s so funny people think that Justine Triet is the reason Greta Gerwig got snubbed. For all you know, Yorgos Lanthimks got her spot. Stop pitying women directors against each other. The reality is this category should’ve contained three women (Past Lives, Barbie, and Anatomy of a Fall). You guys really should start taking international films more seriously. The Academy has a huge international basis, and it’s time to acknowledge that fact.
I take it Lanthimos is one of the ones you would cut? If so, I disagree. On the other hand, if we are talking about cutting Scorsese for Song, I’d be the first one to sign up for that.
EXACTLY. They ignore the huge reach of the international sect of the Academy. The fact is they don't gravitate towards the hollywood blockbuster types. When was the last time a director of a hollywood blockbuster got nominated? Todd Phillips? They don't typically do it. Would Greta have been in my 5 nominations? Yes. But her being left out is not a "snub." It doesn't have anything to do with her being a woman. They awarded Barbie in 8 categories! Greta just missed in a loaded field
No one ever wants to go after the legends. Every year it’s a forced nomination for Spielberg or Scorsese, even when their movies clearly did not have Best Picture stuff. Old dudes with tons of better work, but people will say spot was stolen by Triet or Yurgos
@@thrawncaedusl717not necessarily, it would’ve probably been Scorsese. I was trying to prove a point that people like to bring international directors down to bring Hollywood directors up, and worse if they’re international women directors.
Take out Annette Bening and put in Margot Robbie. Then take out America Ferrera and put in Rosamund Pike.
It's too late baby 🎶
Next year top gun maverick (Tom cruise snubs) wy know Margot Robbie???
I totally agree with Jeff in regards to the Killers of Flower Moon screenplay. That’s been my beef since I walked out of the theater. The movie ended up not being the thing they said they wanted it to be (from the Osage side) anyway, because it ended up being from the perspective of two white men (the top billing names in order to get funds to make the movie in the first place). Then, IMO, they should have just stuck to the source material, which was better told. But with this screenplay, it ended up being neither here nor there.
100% agree. I absolutely love the way the book tells the story. It was as thrilling as any mystery book I’ve ever read. I think it was a massive mistake on Scorsese’s part to deviate so much from the source material.
@@rebekahp4083 I totally get the bureaucracy of Hollywood, that a story told completely from the Osage’s perspective, with Native American actors that no one knows, wouldn’t have gotten funding. It wouldn’t have been made. But then just stick to the source material, and try to do them justice that way.
Tell a compelling story that makes us all horrified, while being thrilling and following this heinous mystery. But in the end, it lacked the emotional poignancy, it should have had given the subject matter, and Marty still didn’t tell the story he said he wanted to tell. I should have felt something seeing those people lose their lives, and I didn’t. A good screenplay doesn’t miss those beats. I felt more with Barbie, which was a slapstick comedy. Or last year with Women Talking, which one could accuse of slow pacing, yet the dialogue was so compelling, that I cried profusely many times over. This movie just didn’t have that. Like I said, it ended up being neither here nor there.
I’ve seen the film five times so I disagree. It absolutely was told from the Osage perspective but it’s hard to tell from the perspective of dead people too.
Surprised Jeff didn't mention Top Gun in regards too Ike&Ike's question. Literally the same thing. One of the biggest movies of the year. Box office smash. Critical and general audience praise. Loved by basically everyone. Some of the best crafts of the year.... No best director nomination. Personally I believe Kasinsky should've gotten in last year and Gerwig should've gotten in this year. But I don't believe it's fair to say that if a man had directed a movie with those feats it would've gotten in, because Top Gun proved that wrong last year.
Another one: Inception. There's plenty of examples out there. The director's branch doesn't gravitate towards the big hollywood blockbuster movie. There's too much international influence and international perspective is not as high on the Barbie's or Top Gun's of the world
Barbie missing director and actress makes sense when you think about the voting system the academy has. I would suspect that Gerwig and Robbie had a lot of mentions by their respective voters, but I can’t imagine either being to many people’s number ones. Triet and Glazer both make more sense for directors to vote them at the top of their ballot, and even Benning makes more sense as a key few’s number one slot.
glad The Academy threw Saltburn in the garbage where it clearly belongs. 🥳
To say that Gerwig was snubbed because she is a woman is honestly a disservice to her because it implies that she and other women directors need to be treated differently because they are women. Men get snubbed for best director all the time (Nolan for Inception, Villneuve for Dune, Affleck for Argo, Cooper for A Star is Born, the director of Top Gun, many many other examples) for films that are artistically excellent and commercially successful. If you are going to put blame on any extraneous factor for Gerwig’s omission, it should be genre bias. But honestly, it is also the nature of only having 5 slots.
My take: a year of good movies.
Im not sure where this "most-profitable" movie needs to honored came from. If history has shown us that does t really happen. Its really only been an anomaly of the last couple of years. Hell, Cameron didn't even get a nod for the Way of Water.
Why shave Jeff? Beards are cool!
I think the reason international only allows one film per country is so that they keep a more diverse lineup and a country like France or Japan that make a lot of films don't dominate the whole category.
I give it a year before people can be honest about Barbie being extremely overrated, without the fear of the pink mob coming after them calling them women haters.
How original. Calling a popular film overrated.
@@travisearl771factssssss
@@travisearl771Oppenheimer > Barbie
@@donp380I agree, but both are grossly overrated.
Often agree with Jeff, but if you're going to hold up "Films" as more worthy than "Movies," than lighter-in-tone (aka comedies) works such as "Barbie" are still films as much as more serious fare. The same tired bias that comedies don't or can't have the same value as dramas, even though these films can be as or more moving and entertaining than their dramatic counterparts, goes on.
Sneiders only applies this logic to attack movies he already doesn’t like
Y’all need to stop with the sexism is the reason Greta didn’t get nominated. Lasy year top gun Maverick was the highest grossing movie and critically acclaimed and guess what the male director still didn’t get the nomination
Neither was Denis for Dune. Neither was Nolan for Inception. the examples go on and on. The big time hollywood blockbusters dont typically get director nods
“Film” and “Movie” are the same to me. They’re just synonyms of each other. We’re just gatekeeping words now
Agreed. People sound snobbish when they talk like that.
Agreed. It’s very pretentious when someone says a film is high art and not the same as a movie.
Right, no need to downgrade "Barbie" as only a "Movie" and not a "Film" - yeah, whatever.
But the term “Picture” is reserved for pure kino
Weird. I only ever say „Flick“
Jeff is correct. I love Greta Gerwig. I think she is amazing but Barbie doesn’t live up to Little Women or Lady Bird in quality. Anatomy of a Fall is way more impressive film than Barbie. That’s just my opinion but I can see where Jeff is coming from. I’m so happy for Justine Triet!
Would this conversation about the academy being sexist be happening if Greta was the one nominated over Justine? I wouldn’t mind if Greta had been nominated, but the thing is there are only five nominees, like Jeff said… I don’t think there’s a irrefutable argument on why Greta should have been nominated over any of the men who were. All of them made some beautifully put together pieces of art.
it was a fine movie, but like a good marvel movie, its just a entertaining movie, the social commentary stuff was surface level and performative, it was confectionary, sweet but forgettable.
Exactly. Great point. I think if Greta had been nominated and Justine wasn't, none of these people would be crying "sexist." Even though a great argument could be made for Justine being deserving, as her film literally won the Palme D'Or this year at Cannes. I think the fact that Justine got in and Greta did not just points to how the director's branch views those Hollywood blockbusters. They don't like to nominate the directors of those types of films, even if they get best picture. Top Gun: Maverick, Dune, Black Panther, Inception. All arguably one of the biggest film events of their respective year, all nominated for Best Picture, but none get a Best Director nomination. I think this points to, if anything, pretension within the director's branch. They are a very international bunch that prefer to recognize "prestige" filmmakers over the ones that are more mainstream, pop culture blockbusters. The sexist argument is just lazy
Suzume and Saltburn getting shut out is pretty disappointing but I'm thrilled Godzilla Minus One got a nom!
@@travisearl771Saltburn is hella entertaining and I kinda love it, but it’s a film that’s really just skin deep.
@@travisearl771interesting. I also looked at it as Pasolini for the mainstream specifically a blend of Teorema and Salo, and had loads of fun with that.
Saltburn is garbage.
really happy for Emily, her first Oscar nom, I thought she should have been nominated for The Young Victoria, great to see her here
Re: Domingo being the first out actor playing a gay man-Ian McKellan played a gay man in Gods and Monsters and was out at the time
In my view (which nobody needs to agree with), unless arguing for a Best Picture slot in a year where less than 10 are nominated, “X should’ve been nominated” needs to be followed by an argument that “Y should not have been nominated”.
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The argument that Greta Gerwig would have been nominated had she been a man is ruined by precedent: Top Gun Maverick was a huge box office success, was beloved by critics, and was a major awards contender. It secured the same Best Picture and Best Adapted Screenplay nominations - and it even secured a Film Editing nomination, but Joseph Kosinski didn't get a Best Director nomination despite having the nomination at DGA, much like Greta Gerwig.
I rewatched Barbie last night and I can understand the no best picture nomination because it was such a phenomenon but I didn’t think it deserved a best director nomination and I wasn’t so impressed with Margot Robbie. The only one of the 10 best picture nominees I haven’t seen is Zone of Interest so I can’t speak about that except to say that the academy is always generous to international productions (especially the Brits). Very happy about the Holdovers noms, definitely one of my favorites. I do think it will be a big Oppenheimer sweep on Oscar night. As much as I loved it (I saw it three times in Imax, and a fourth on 4K Blu ray) but I still could not believe that such a complex and intellectual film was such a commercial blockbuster. I think after it wins best picture it will pass the 1 billion dollar mark.
No it got a best picture nomination. There was no way it would not.
Barbie is just a complex movie and such a large production to manage - it is physically a very hard movie to make, compared to Anatomy or Zone. Subject matter aside, these 2 movies are objectively the more simple movies to make. I can't understand how the directors branch can watch these movies and not appreciate that Barbie is the more difficult feat to pull off - regardless of the subject matter.
But TBH, Gerwig did a great job managing the production but she had $140 million and an army of the best collaborators to pull it off. Her producing nomination acknowledges that IMO. In Anatomy of a Fall, the subtleties and complexities of human motivations, the suspense and mystery of the narrative outcome, Huller’s balance of unsavory and sympathetic performance was just as complicated to manage as a gigantic production.
the movie already got its reward. it made a billion dollars.
@@antoniobronx4955she got a producing nom and writing… which i think the screenplay was the best part of the movie 🤷🏾♂️
I was excited to see Nimona get a nomination and disappointed Still was not nominated.
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And how is barbie a directorial and acting feat? Am i missing something. The movie was so well written and was a big movie….hence the noms for screenplay and picture… but that was it for me, happy that america got her nom but yea tell me if im missing something…and i agree with jeff! There is no way anatomy of a fall and barbie are one the same level when it comes to acting like can e be fr for a second. Granted i truly enjoyed barbie.. but idk
Emily Blunt ? What did she do ?
May December was nominated for Best Original Screenplay nomination.
Didn't Chloe Zhao and Emerald Fennell both get nominated best director in the same year?
Sandra Huller gives the best performance male/female lead/supporting of the year. It’s the best acting in movies of the year. Period.
Agreed with Perri on "Film vs. Movie"
That approach is antithetical to the concept of the Oscars
I am relieved that May December only got one nomination
So James Cameron is legitimate for his direction of Avatar but Greta Gerwig isn't because it's a just a "movie" ? Ryan Gosling "stole" the show for a performance not even better than Margot Robbie's ? Thank you for perfectly capturing the double standards of the members who voted.
Haven’t heard it said any better. 100%.
That's the point. Cameron wasn't legitimate for his direction, which is why he didn't get the nom. Joseph Kosinski didn't get the nom for Top Gun: Maverick - a superior film to Barbie that had the same level of success & accolades. And yes, Gosling absolutely stole the show. Hence why he got the nom & Margot didn't.
Two things can be true
1. Robbie was better than Gosling
2. Benning, Gladstone, Huller, Mulligan, and Stone we’re all better than Robbie.
Robbie was not competing with Gosling, but with other incredibly talented women who just had better, more substantial performances.
Also true Greta Lee was better than Bening but not as well known
@@donp380 people keep phrasing the noms of Robbie and Gosling as if they were eligible for the same category. Ryan didn’t get nominated over Robbie, they weren’t in competition. That’s like saying someone won the Super Bowl over a World Series winner.
They should make it a top 10 in the best international film category, so many great films that deserve the spotlight and get overlooked. We are talking about the rest of the world here!
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This is exactly how I feel about First Slam Dunk, Chicken Run: Dawn Of The Nugget, Unicorn Wars, White Plastic Sky, Chicken for Linda! And Blue Giant!
Favorite FYC moment Scott over Jeff on parasite beating 1917 for picture and director
Honorable Mention Jessica Chastain wining best actress for the eyes of Tammy Faye Jeff had that one wrong too
The bet was about the color purple getting on best picture Jeff won that one at least haha
I wanted the color purple in more categories but I had a feeling it was only getting in for Danielle Brooks which was my favorite nomination. Still need to see the zone of interest I’m sure it’s deserving of all those nominations
Honesty when I saw Barbie I was really disappointed by Greata’s direction. I had really high expectations based off Lady bird and little women, and I found the direction of Barbie to be quite comparable to a average Hollywood blockbuster, competent, but bland and stale, irrelevant of how colorful, ‘fun’, or loud it was
Agree with Jeff. Barbie is more a movie than a film
And it’s still nominated for best picture so this picture vs movie vs film is just snobbery.
As much as I really enjoyed Barbie and as much of a great job Greta did with the project, I was mostly neutral about her missing director because I still haven’t seen all the movies nominated in the category. I’ve seen Oppenheimer and killers of the flower moon, but still have not seen anatomy of a fall, poor things, or zone of interest (I’ll try to watch them before the oscars). So for me personally, it would be unfair for me to say they shouldn’t be here or they are undeserved without watching the movies first. So as of right now, I am mostly staying neutral in this debate over this topic and I’m waiting to watch those movies and then make judgement on whether Greta was snubbed or not. Otherwise, pretty satisfied with the other nominees and excited for the Oscar’s.
Update: have seen anatomy of a fall, poor things, and zone of interest. Great director choices, would not replace any of them.
Sorry Jeff, with so many countries represented in the Academy, I’m happy with every country only being able to nominate one film or movie!
Jeff is right. Greta Getwig was passed for director just like Denis Villanueve for Dune was two years ago…movie versus film. The Directors branch goes for less mainstream films for the director noms. Personally I would’ve nominated Celine Song or Greta Gerwig instead of Scorsese.
I am outraged. The biggest snub was “Peaches” in best song 😂😂! 😤
Saltburn is a winner in my heart
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Cant believe both greta and margot snubbed. I can see maybe one missing but both?! And ryan still nominated, ouch...
The super chat about Greta Gerwig getting snubbed because she's a woman doesn't make much sense when you consider that Denis Villeneuve and Joseph Kosinski were both snubbed in 2022 and 2023 for Dune and Top Gun Maverick. Dune was the most nominated movie in its year!!
I never had Margot in my top five because of genre bias. And I was always doubtful of Greta for the same reason.
Yes Denis was snubbed. Let;s see if there is even half the outrage I heard that year. Also Dune was mainly up on craft awards, no acting noms expected or screenplay
@@LAMusing Arguably more egregious, since I'm of the opinion that his influence as a filmmaker is stronger in the crafts (in all his movies, not just Dune). 11 Oscar nominations...
I've spent a few hours on Twitter since the noms dropped and the outrage is already more than it was for Denis' snub, at least on my timeline.
Amd we haven't even talked of Kosinski or James Cameron! Come on. A lot of factors are involved, but I doubt that gender plays a major role
Dune. Top Gun. Hell, Inception. Going back as far as you want, the director of the big hollywood blockbuster films of the year don't typically get nominated, even if their films do. That's just the way it works. Has nothing to do with Greta being a woman
Jeff, I think it’s admirable that they decided to foreground the Native American experience and trauma that they experienced, not as you put it “for DEI purposes”. What they messed up on was losing Lily Gladstone’s character in the last hour and it going a more meditative and strange direction.
When they shifted the movie away from Tom White, it never recovered. Rather than prioritize the story, Marty tried to read the room and it hurt the film.
I’m not looking for filmmakers to make admirable decisions, I just want a good story. KOTFM’s story was muffled cuz it was quite clear they had no idea what story they wanted to tell or whose story.
Possible recency bias but Jeff's Christmas yarmulke is tough to beat when it comes to all time great FYC moments
I didn't like Godzilla Minus One all that much at all, but, it did have good special effects!
Deserved.
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Totally agree w ike & ike
Jeff is my birthday buddy (Feb 10). He’s so snarky and raggedy like an Aquarius should be
I just love Jeff's arguments and that he doesn't hold back, keep going man, you're the voice of reason many times
Margot getting nominated for playing a Barbie in a Barbie movie isn't any crazier than Johnny Depp getting nominated for playing a pirate in a film based off a Disney ride.
jack sparrow was the wacky Ken-esque character in that movie.
All nominations revolve around 5 movies.. that's no bueno
Annette Benning in a totally one note performance should not have been nominated, either Greta Lee or Margot Robbie more deserving
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I agree with you Perri, the conversation about a movie and film is so snobby and gross to me
OK but it’s real is it not? It ain’t called The Super Mario Bros. Film is it? Cuz that’s a movie. Little Women? That’s a film. Barbie is a movie designed to sell toys.
@@TheInSneiderI use the terms “content” versus “art”. Art exists to challenge, content exists for comfort. Both can be good. Five years ago, Barbie absolutely would have been “art”, now I think it’s more debatable, but I would still label it as “art” personally.
@@TheInSneider I call Super Mario Bros a film.
I’m sorry but Margot Robbie is NOT the beating heart of Barbie, America Ferrera is, hands down. I’m so glad she got nominated, but I don’t think Margot Robbie deserved a nomination.
Nah, it’s a fine performance and the speech is a highlight, but overall it’s nothing special and I just don’t see how it can be nominated ahead of fantastic performances like Julianne Moore in May December
By beating heart I hope you mean she has an actual beating heart while Barbie does not because America Ferrera has one of the least inspiring performances that got an acting nomination in recent memory. If you want to say her monologue delivery was good that’s fine but the monologue wasn’t hers it was Greta’s and Noah’s. The rest of her performance was flat and I couldn’t wait for her parts to be done so we could go back to the characters everyone enjoyed. It is just a weak year for supporting actress performances.
@@erichwagner6958 that’s a very humorous (and wrong take) plus, your argument, undermines any credibility you think you have on this issue. The truth is that America Ferrera’s was the best performance in the movie. It had nuance, subtlety, all sorts of levels, was extremely engaging, and had at its core a humanity that gave the movie its heart. Margot Robbie was OK, but just that, OK. Hers was the least interesting performance in the movie. Also, your argument about the monologue not being hers is completely ludicrous. You could say that about literally any performance that’s been given almost ever. The words are very rarely those of the actor. They always belong to the writer. So that’s just a silly argument. But her performance was more than that one monologue. It was a lived in performance, and other than Ken was really the only reason to watch that movie.
All the films with acting nominations have multiple acting nominations. Color Purple, Rustin, and Anatomy of a Fall only have one acting nomination. All others have multiple nominations.
I can’t take Jeff seriously when he thinks ‘may/December’ was better written than ‘killers of the flower moon’.
How many times has Jeff going to cry about the chat during the stream over under four
Don't underestimate Past Lives in Screenplay.
Why would the same thing that happened last year with Women Talking not happen this year with Past Lives?
Ike&Ike’s comment seems to totally forget that James Cameron was not nominated last year! Has nothing to do with gender. Ridiculous
Barbie is getting the Black Panther treatment 👀. They would be dumb not to acknowledge Barbie for Best picture cause it made a billion dollars just like Black Panther did. But you should be lucky Barbie got more noms because the face of Barbie is white not black. But Barbie is gonna take home Production, Costume, and Original Song. Just like Black Panther took home Production, Costume, and Score. They ignored Greta like they ignored Ryan Coogler. But they had to nominate both for best picture because they are/were both cultural phenomenons for their years.
Explain why Gerwig got a DGA nom then.
@@BobbyM817 What does that have to do with the Oscars lol? That's great she got a DGA nom, but the FACT is she still didn't get an Oscar directing nom.
Sure, but also similarly to the Top Gun Maverick treatment. Barbie overall was more critically favored than Black Panther, and even if it is a “white” franchise, it’s still a female one, which the academy until recently has been adverse to.
@@MrChaseBlue1. What did Top Gun win? I think Black Panther won more awards than Top Gun did. I chose BP cause Barbie are gonna get the same awards Black Panther did compared to Top Gun, which I believe only took home sound.
2. I wasn't denying Barbie having a "female" obstacle in the Oscar race. But both Greta and Margot are WHITE females and that beats black male/female everytime. That's just how the academy and society is. Which is why the academy was willing to give them more Oscar nominations ie: the two acting nominations.
3. Black Panther had more critical love. Black Panther was a 96% and Barbie was an 88% so you are wrong about it being more critically loved than Barbie.
I don’t buy it that the reason more female and black directors don’t get nominated for Best Director is because they are female and black. In fact I would say the opposite is more likely to be true. The reality is white men direct a lot more Oscar bait “films” than women and black directors do. For black directors there are really only a handful of auteurs today in Hollywood like Barry Jenkins, Steve McQueen, Jordan Peele, and maybe Spike Lee & Ava DuVernay. For women you have Greta Gerwig, Jane Campion, Clair Denis, and maybe Chloe Zhao & Sofia Coppola. The groups just are not very deep. Now if you want to say these groups need to make more artistic worthy films and given more opportunities then that is a conversation worth having but to say there are so many Oscar worthy directors from those groups right now not being nominated then I would say that’s just not true.
Barbie is not a directing feat. It’s sloppy
29:18 we actually have a movie just like that just last year. James Cameron.
@@travisearl771 how was this a counter argument against the message that was sent? the message says, imagine not nominating the director of highest grossing movie of the year, while the movie was nominated for best picture and other crafts nomination.
The point was, it does happen, because it just happen last year to Cameron. Remember Dune Part One? it won the most Oscars that year and yet it's director was not nominated.
Killers of the flower moon was boring as fuck
Boy! You guys CALLED it! WIsh the noms weren't so predictable
It’s honestly so elitist and pretentious to separate between “movies” and “films”, and especially ridiculous when talking about Barbie which for many was one of the most meaningful films of the year. It’s not exactly like comparing Fast X with Poor Things. I like Jeff but that was an embarrassing take
I’m a video editor and screenwriter and I agree. It’s gross.
If Barbie is consider as an adapted screenplay the subsequent films that have characters base on an IP should be consider now as Adapted screenplay. If someone made a film about chester cheetah that filmshould be consider to be adapted screenplay. If you make a Penguin movie base from the character in one of the Batman’s villain that should be consider as an adapted screenplay…
There’s a middle ground Perri and Jeff’s 1 woman in director debate. Though I think it’s undeniable there’s a bias against women, like in most industries, there’s also a mathematical advantage for men. The percentage of films directed by women rises each year but it’s still not nearly enough to fight for more nominations. It’s unfair, but math doesn’t do fair or unfair. What we should strive for is nominating the best work, not for gender or race. And I realize that’s kind of naive.
Shame on the Academy for snubbing Margot Robbie of Best Actress and Greta Gerwig of Best Director they were both robbed!
Nah
Nah. Not even close
Nah cope bro😂
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To nominate America Ferrera, the worst part of the movie, and then skip Robbie is confusing as all get out
Good on Jeff to call out Scorsese’s effort at DEI backfiring.
Totally with Jeff on Adapted Screenplay. As soon as it moved, i expected Barbie to sweep that category
Favorite FYC moment: Mantz and Jeff betting on Parasite
I didn't think there were too many surprises. All pretty deserving.
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I am right with you Perri! One the most heartbreaking films I saw in 2023!
Just some clarification: Barbra Streisand has never been nominated as a director. "Yentl" won its single Oscar for the musical song score; Streisand received no personal nominations for the film. "The Prince of Tides" was nominated for seven Oscars and was shut out. "The Mirror Has Two Faces" was nominated for two Oscars and won none, including Lauren Bacall's shocking loss to Juliette Binoche. So, although Streisand won two Oscars earlier in her career, she did not make a huge splash with the Academy for the three films she directed. By the way, the last Grammy Streisand won was nearly forty years ago in 1986 for "The Broadway Album." Just saying.
Best nomination was easily “Godzilla Minus One”
It’s sad that Gerwig gets her 4th Oscar nom after directing a movie that made over a billion dollars that subsequently gets 8 Oscar noms but the only narrative is that she was snubbed. She’s accomplished so much and that can’t be diminished because the notoriously stuffy directing branch didn’t see her brilliance.
Or the stuffy directing branch found the other contenders more deserving.
Saltburn deserved Cinematography though
Agreed. The cinematography was clearly one of the best of the year
Absolutely
I’m just happy El Conde got in. I feared it would be forgotten like The Northman (imo the best by far) was last year.