I've had several clients pipeline the entire system and several years later still no issues. They typically come with 20+ years of warranty and they are super tough! They are non-invasive and far more affordable, too. As long as the pipe is not compromised after they determine with the cam scope, pipe lining is a positive, reasonable option available today.
The pipe liner was an excellent choice for me. I have a gigantic silver maple sitting right over where my 80 year iron sewer pipe was. I had the pipe cleaned a few times but it was beginning to fail and the plumber's video showed me several points. They would have had to destroy the tree to replace the line otherwise. I'm in the coatings industry and when I found out about this I was thrilled, I hadn't even thought of using this type of chemical solution. It was basically half the cost of doing a full pipe line replacement.
Working in 50- 60 year old apartments. I can honestly say this is a lifesaver in some cases. So typically we have a issue with a drain. Well if our water jet gets struck or has issues. Then we run a camera and if its busted you gotta tie in a new drain to isolate that side. So basically you can take the the 2 apartments above you and temporarily tie them into the neighbor's drain line. So in a 3 story 12 apts you can shut that one side off. Then you gotta move the tenants to new home. Pull carpet and pad in entire apt. Jack hammer the concrete in kitchen, bedrooms, closets and maybe living room depending on layout. Remove all that concrete, dirt, gravel etc a few feet down until you have plenty of room to cut and replace pipe. Get it all done and inspected. Start filling hole with gravel and then when level you can fill with concrete, finish it let it cure. Then you can undo the temporary drains you tied into and repair pipe. Sheetrock and paint. Then have "prolly new carpet and pad installed" assuming it was old. Clean the apt and good as new😂 ill just say its not fun. Oh yea i even forgot cut sheetrock at kitchen and baths, so pull toilet's, pull both bath sink vanities, pull kitchen base cabinets. Then repair and or replace sheetrock, reinstall or replace bath vanity, cabinets. Lets not forget you gotta buy all the supplies and pay us hourly. **your also losing money on those two bottom apartments bot being rented which is prolly $1,400 each so even 2 weeks your already $1,400 in the hole. I gotta say i hate working on that old cast iron. so i would love to have used liners but our property never did. I did work at another property just as old and they used them but as far as our state and apartments they said the price is sometimes more expensive than just replacing the pipe. I know its different for apartments but i gotta say its about the worst thing to beed done other than like a fire or something crazy. Ill take anything over a main drain break. Id prefer to replace a roof, Hvac, cabinets, bath tubs, windoors and doors on 10 apartments than do one main drain line replacement.
If you've no issues with your sewer at this point, DON'T arbitrarily jump into an unnecessary cost to yourself. The likelihood of roots in cast iron is small. It's clay tile pipe that has more chances of roots. That may mean just getting maintenance done on a schedule (much cheaper). Don't let someone sell you a bill of goods. At an expense like this, always get 2nd/3rd opinions with detailed explanations and camera videos as proof to inform your decision. I'm a Chicago plumber for 25 years. Maintain your house!
@CornPoppe-io5wc if you're not a licensed plumbing individual, you absolutely should not be doing plumbing at all. A company may advertise the ability to perform plumbing, that's fine, BUT the person who walks into a clients property to do said plumbing MUST be licensed.
I live on a pretty aggressive hill and my sewer and water lines are buried as much as 11 to 15 feet below ground. A relining of my cast iron pipe seems like a good idea to extend the life of the sewer line.
If you've no issues with your sewer at this point, DON'T arbitrarily jump into a useless cost to yourself. The likelihood of roots in cast iron is small. It's clay tile pipe that has more chances of roots. That may mean just getting maintenance done on a schedule (much cheaper). Don't let someone sell you a bill of goods. At an expense like this, always get a 2nd/3rd opinions with detailed explanations and camera videos as proof to inform your decision. I'm a Chicago plumber for 25 years.
I just had this done - had 6 crushed areas on my clay main line and massive root ingress. We would get backups every year even if we snaked the line. It was $11500 for 65 feet in Dec 2024 in SW Ohio. I SAVED $10K over conventional due to the concrete driveway not needing to be disturbed. It was the type that had the compressed sock and bladder that formed the epoxy cure sheath. It was UV cured. They ran it into the cleanout and did some guiding or perhaps inspection out at the street. It was completely done in 4-1/2 hours - they spent an hour and a half just cleaning and prepping.
Ive hired plumbers for pipe bursting and cipp liner and also have personally dug out dozens of feet of pipe and cut and replaced it. They all have there pros and cons, CIPP was great for not having to demo large amounts of concrete and finished stone floor and was able to line the trouble area of about 25 feet underneath a house and stopped short of another bathroom tie in. People get scared at the price tag of x amount per foot but at the end of the day there is 30-40 grand of equipment on site +the experience of the guys running it. Pipe bursting makes sense if its a long run, real deep, with no other tie ins and hopefully out in the yard since you need to dig two holes. Hand digging and replacing pipe is worth it if its shallow and not too much hardscape to rip out.
It's been over 10 years since I've relined a pipe. But, that second video is similar to what I was used to. That first video seemed upgraded, and a lot easier method. As far as I remember, lining sucked. Especially when you have to cut open the tie in's. Yeah, there's an extension tool that you cut out the tie in with, and your operating it from a screen, you know, cause the tie in is 20 feet in.😆 I've done a few bursting jobs too, just as hard, but I think bursting is way better, as far as quality, life expectancy, and final product. (in my opinion) Great video Brother Roger 🤙 💯 Much Aloha
@roberthernandez1985 I live in Hawaii, it's either solid clay, rocks and very big rocks, lave rock, or, when it is easy is when it's dirt so soft it feels like a " my pillow " 😆 but then again, it's been over 10 years and I'm not doing big jobs like that anymore. Much Love and Aloha brother 🤙🏼💯🤙🏼
I work for a company in Houston that does both sewage and domestic pipe lining all over Texas. They’re great systems in the right situations, one thing that wasn’t touched on in the video is a paint on system, the machinery is more compact, allowing implementation in smaller work spaces
Hi sir , im doing plumbing technician 2 years program in sheridan college and can you tell me that after completing my program what can do for start apprenticeship process
i had 55 feet of clay pipe lined for 7k at my rental property.....started to have some root intrusion...got a 15 year warranty...i still run the snake down once a year and have had no issues......nothing worse than collapsed line and having to find hotels for tenants...
When lining the interior of the pipe line with this new material, does that now make the interior diameter of the pipe smaller than before? If so, does that now affect the efficiency of the pipe? I ask this because I work on cleaning dryer vents and seeing how this works, it correlates to my work as seeing a film of lint buildup on the interior of the pipe which does affect efficiency of airflow. Overall love seeing these videos.
Question for you Roger. Do companies still allow for somebody like me (who is interested in the plumbing trade) job shadow prior to applying/leaving my current job?
1st, STOP calling roto-rooter! They are horrible scam artists who will do the minimum to open your sewer and then try to sell you a dig up replacement of your sewer when it backs up again. 2nd, the removal of roots is like a haircut. You have them removed on a schedule depending on how fast they grow back. 3rd, with proper maintenance by a reputable company, your sewer will last forever. Clay pipe, if installed correctly, should last well over 100 years with no issues, even if rodding annually. Think of it this way, the Romans used clay pipe, and some of that infrastructure is still in use today, 100s of years old!
Hears a thought. Put in a large pipe that you can crawl inside of under ground and then put your smaller pipes inside of it so npw you have a service tunnel for everything.
Yes, there are tools the plumber or installer should carry that they shove down the line and reinstate any services or branch lines that were covered up. Essentially a ball that will rotate at high speeds and grind an opening on the liner to open back up a branch line.
I am dealing with a situation with a sewer in my house built in 1972. Last year we had a back up on the outside of the house and our plumber found that the main house trap, made of cast iron, disintegrated and the main sewer made of terra cotta may have been leaking. We had the terra cotta sewer relined and the trap replaced with PVC. They had trouble connecting to the house because the cast iron under the garage was very thin and they had to go far inside to have enough to attach a rubber sleeve to. This has me worried because there is cast iron below the laundry and garage which are at the ground level and maybe it should be replaced with PVC. Plumber tells me that a liner will not work there because there are branches for floor drains and a Y and elbows. Is this correct, a liner won't work there? Also, if need be, I am willing to fill in the concrete floor after the pipe is laid by the plumber and even willing to cut into the concrete. Will a plumber let me do that to save money? Thanks. P.S. The drain plumbing in the house is PVC, even back then. Why would it be CI underneath if PVC existed?
back then you had PVC above ground and it was common to transition to cast iron below grade and under slabs etc....in my state you still cant do PVC underground in commercial buildings....only residential
The camera. Shouldn't be going through until after it was cleaned. How much damage was caused after the cleaning? Or how much more damage was presented after cleaning?
Seen a few reliners on tiktok and youtube and they always use 2K epoxy instead of UV resin. None of the videos ive seen used any digging unless tho repair Y connections
That price doesn't sound right... for replacing a pipe in our trailer park that was nearly 12 feet long, digging it up and everything... 1K including the price of the pipe in 2023.
Biggest issue with these liner is if sewer line is already compromised, it is not going to work very well. If there is sagged section, liner will follow that sag. If pipe has collapsed, you will have to dig and replace that section. It would work best if liner is installed before there is an issue.
@@RogerWakefield bc i have a real plumber that replaces pipes for $800 instead of $5k that the big companies want for that bs reline. new pipe always better. my Jesus is a plumber not a carpenter. 🍻
hiring police detail if your on a busy road and your lateral connects way down the road....dealing with the town or city permit bullshit depending on the town ...trying to find hotels for tenants if its a rental property.....i had company come in and do 55 feet of line in 5 hours ...tenants back in that night ...no issues
@@patrickfernandez4739 slightly smaller continious smooth line or the 50 year old scaly cast iron that everything gets caught on especially the " flushable" wipes
I've had several clients pipeline the entire system and several years later still no issues. They typically come with 20+ years of warranty and they are super tough! They are non-invasive and far more affordable, too. As long as the pipe is not compromised after they determine with the cam scope, pipe lining is a positive, reasonable option available today.
The pipe liner was an excellent choice for me. I have a gigantic silver maple sitting right over where my 80 year iron sewer pipe was. I had the pipe cleaned a few times but it was beginning to fail and the plumber's video showed me several points. They would have had to destroy the tree to replace the line otherwise. I'm in the coatings industry and when I found out about this I was thrilled, I hadn't even thought of using this type of chemical solution. It was basically half the cost of doing a full pipe line replacement.
Had this done to my decaying, ancient cast iron. Cost around $8k and I'm glad every day that I did it.
Working in 50- 60 year old apartments. I can honestly say this is a lifesaver in some cases. So typically we have a issue with a drain. Well if our water jet gets struck or has issues. Then we run a camera and if its busted you gotta tie in a new drain to isolate that side. So basically you can take the the 2 apartments above you and temporarily tie them into the neighbor's drain line. So in a 3 story 12 apts you can shut that one side off. Then you gotta move the tenants to new home. Pull carpet and pad in entire apt. Jack hammer the concrete in kitchen, bedrooms, closets and maybe living room depending on layout. Remove all that concrete, dirt, gravel etc a few feet down until you have plenty of room to cut and replace pipe. Get it all done and inspected. Start filling hole with gravel and then when level you can fill with concrete, finish it let it cure. Then you can undo the temporary drains you tied into and repair pipe. Sheetrock and paint. Then have "prolly new carpet and pad installed" assuming it was old. Clean the apt and good as new😂 ill just say its not fun.
Oh yea i even forgot cut sheetrock at kitchen and baths, so pull toilet's, pull both bath sink vanities, pull kitchen base cabinets. Then repair and or replace sheetrock, reinstall or replace bath vanity, cabinets. Lets not forget you gotta buy all the supplies and pay us hourly. **your also losing money on those two bottom apartments bot being rented which is prolly $1,400 each so even 2 weeks your already $1,400 in the hole. I gotta say i hate working on that old cast iron. so i would love to have used liners but our property never did. I did work at another property just as old and they used them but as far as our state and apartments they said the price is sometimes more expensive than just replacing the pipe.
I know its different for apartments but i gotta say its about the worst thing to beed done other than like a fire or something crazy. Ill take anything over a main drain break. Id prefer to replace a roof, Hvac, cabinets, bath tubs, windoors and doors on 10 apartments than do one main drain line replacement.
If you've no issues with your sewer at this point, DON'T arbitrarily jump into an unnecessary cost to yourself. The likelihood of roots in cast iron is small. It's clay tile pipe that has more chances of roots. That may mean just getting maintenance done on a schedule (much cheaper). Don't let someone sell you a bill of goods. At an expense like this, always get 2nd/3rd opinions with detailed explanations and camera videos as proof to inform your decision. I'm a Chicago plumber for 25 years. Maintain your house!
What do you think of all the handymen advertising plumbing on their trucks around here lately?! Ugh!
@CornPoppe-io5wc if you're not a licensed plumbing individual, you absolutely should not be doing plumbing at all. A company may advertise the ability to perform plumbing, that's fine, BUT the person who walks into a clients property to do said plumbing MUST be licensed.
@patrickfernandez4739 Yes, I'm aware. So why is it being allowed here in Illinois?
I live on a pretty aggressive hill and my sewer and water lines are buried as much as 11 to 15 feet below ground. A relining of my cast iron pipe seems like a good idea to extend the life of the sewer line.
That’s a lot of dirt to move, relining sounds like the cheaper route!
If you've no issues with your sewer at this point, DON'T arbitrarily jump into a useless cost to yourself. The likelihood of roots in cast iron is small. It's clay tile pipe that has more chances of roots. That may mean just getting maintenance done on a schedule (much cheaper). Don't let someone sell you a bill of goods. At an expense like this, always get a 2nd/3rd opinions with detailed explanations and camera videos as proof to inform your decision. I'm a Chicago plumber for 25 years.
I've seen at least one of the Chicago area suburbs uses CIPP to repair and preserve their municipal sewer lines.
It's cool how you are basically manufacturing the pipe on-site.
I just had this done - had 6 crushed areas on my clay main line and massive root ingress. We would get backups every year even if we snaked the line. It was $11500 for 65 feet in Dec 2024 in SW Ohio. I SAVED $10K over conventional due to the concrete driveway not needing to be disturbed.
It was the type that had the compressed sock and bladder that formed the epoxy cure sheath. It was UV cured. They ran it into the cleanout and did some guiding or perhaps inspection out at the street.
It was completely done in 4-1/2 hours - they spent an hour and a half just cleaning and prepping.
Love the videos Roger. I’m not a plumber im a plasterer in the uk but think your channel is great
Thanks 👍
Have you done a video on the older trenchless tech? The burst and replace stuff
Ive hired plumbers for pipe bursting and cipp liner and also have personally dug out dozens of feet of pipe and cut and replaced it. They all have there pros and cons, CIPP was great for not having to demo large amounts of concrete and finished stone floor and was able to line the trouble area of about 25 feet underneath a house and stopped short of another bathroom tie in. People get scared at the price tag of x amount per foot but at the end of the day there is 30-40 grand of equipment on site +the experience of the guys running it.
Pipe bursting makes sense if its a long run, real deep, with no other tie ins and hopefully out in the yard since you need to dig two holes. Hand digging and replacing pipe is worth it if its shallow and not too much hardscape to rip out.
Nice video Mr. Roger
I could go for a lined new pipe. No just liner. Liked the video.
It's been over 10 years since I've relined a pipe. But, that second video is similar to what I was used to. That first video seemed upgraded, and a lot easier method. As far as I remember, lining sucked. Especially when you have to cut open the tie in's. Yeah, there's an extension tool that you cut out the tie in with, and your operating it from a screen, you know, cause the tie in is 20 feet in.😆 I've done a few bursting jobs too, just as hard, but I think bursting is way better, as far as quality, life expectancy, and final product. (in my opinion)
Great video Brother Roger 🤙 💯 Much Aloha
I don’t find bursting to be hard you just need to learn the soil conditions
@roberthernandez1985 I live in Hawaii, it's either solid clay, rocks and very big rocks, lave rock, or, when it is easy is when it's dirt so soft it feels like a " my pillow " 😆 but then again, it's been over 10 years and I'm not doing big jobs like that anymore.
Much Love and Aloha brother 🤙🏼💯🤙🏼
I work for a company in Houston that does both sewage and domestic pipe lining all over Texas. They’re great systems in the right situations, one thing that wasn’t touched on in the video is a paint on system, the machinery is more compact, allowing implementation in smaller work spaces
Hi sir , im doing plumbing technician 2 years program in sheridan college and can you tell me that after completing my program what can do for start apprenticeship process
i had 55 feet of clay pipe lined for 7k at my rental property.....started to have some root intrusion...got a 15 year warranty...i still run the snake down once a year and have had no issues......nothing worse than collapsed line and having to find hotels for tenants...
Wow. Thanks for the testimony.
When lining the interior of the pipe line with this new material, does that now make the interior diameter of the pipe smaller than before? If so, does that now affect the efficiency of the pipe?
I ask this because I work on cleaning dryer vents and seeing how this works, it correlates to my work as seeing a film of lint buildup on the interior of the pipe which does affect efficiency of airflow.
Overall love seeing these videos.
Are these liners limited to non-potable, unpressurized applications?
Question for you Roger. Do companies still allow for somebody like me (who is interested in the plumbing trade) job shadow prior to applying/leaving my current job?
Just curious, let's say you have a plugged line and roto-rooter shows up and cleans the piping, will it survive that process? If so, how many times?
1st, STOP calling roto-rooter! They are horrible scam artists who will do the minimum to open your sewer and then try to sell you a dig up replacement of your sewer when it backs up again.
2nd, the removal of roots is like a haircut. You have them removed on a schedule depending on how fast they grow back.
3rd, with proper maintenance by a reputable company, your sewer will last forever. Clay pipe, if installed correctly, should last well over 100 years with no issues, even if rodding annually.
Think of it this way, the Romans used clay pipe, and some of that infrastructure is still in use today, 100s of years old!
if you mean after its been relined?? no problem just like if it was new pipe..
Yes, sorry I didn't specify. Thanks for answer
Hears a thought.
Put in a large pipe that you can crawl inside of under ground and then put your smaller pipes inside of it so npw you have a service tunnel for everything.
I had the second one done and they just had to connect it inside because of the original clean out was messed up but it was nice when complete
Can this system be used for fixing leaks /broken pipes under slab on grade homes?
My question too.
This is for drains, not pressure pipes.
@ drain pipes break and leak too bro. Idk about the other guy but that’s what I’m dealing with
that is what it was designed for.....drain lines not pressure..
I think he's got a video about a pipe pusher system for water supply fixes.
I like to watch this man lay pipe
How do these work if you have a branch line for an adu is it still possible?
Yes, there are tools the plumber or installer should carry that they shove down the line and reinstate any services or branch lines that were covered up. Essentially a ball that will rotate at high speeds and grind an opening on the liner to open back up a branch line.
I am dealing with a situation with a sewer in my house built in 1972. Last year we had a back up on the outside of the house and our plumber found that the main house trap, made of cast iron, disintegrated and the main sewer made of terra cotta may have been leaking. We had the terra cotta sewer relined and the trap replaced with PVC. They had trouble connecting to the house because the cast iron under the garage was very thin and they had to go far inside to have enough to attach a rubber sleeve to. This has me worried because there is cast iron below the laundry and garage which are at the ground level and maybe it should be replaced with PVC. Plumber tells me that a liner will not work there because there are branches for floor drains and a Y and elbows. Is this correct, a liner won't work there? Also, if need be, I am willing to fill in the concrete floor after the pipe is laid by the plumber and even willing to cut into the concrete. Will a plumber let me do that to save money? Thanks. P.S. The drain plumbing in the house is PVC, even back then. Why would it be CI underneath if PVC existed?
back then you had PVC above ground and it was common to transition to cast iron below grade and under slabs etc....in my state you still cant do PVC underground in commercial buildings....only residential
The camera.
Shouldn't be going through until after it was cleaned. How much damage was caused after the cleaning?
Or how much more damage was presented after cleaning?
Seen a few reliners on tiktok and youtube and they always use 2K epoxy instead of UV resin.
None of the videos ive seen used any digging unless tho repair Y connections
Firstly, I thoroughly enjoy your videos.
Secondly, See I peepe? They definitely did that on purpose 😂 Maybe instead, CISP? Cured In Situ. Pipe?
That price doesn't sound right... for replacing a pipe in our trailer park that was nearly 12 feet long, digging it up and everything... 1K including the price of the pipe in 2023.
Biggest issue with these liner is if sewer line is already compromised, it is not going to work very well. If there is sagged section, liner will follow that sag. If pipe has collapsed, you will have to dig and replace that section. It would work best if liner is installed before there is an issue.
That’s a great point, it’s not a solution for every problem!
true ..if the pipe is in really bad shape most wont warranty it.....thats why they camera and clean well first
If there is a belly in the line it will still be there after you line it
i would just line it if you still have a good structure
Here in wa state i do sewer 4 inch replacement for $ a lft and people freak out. They would die and roll over if i said 400 to 700 lft lol!
$20lft
The flailing chain cleaner scares me. Couldn't it break up or cause a collapsed pipe
Lol I keep trying to think of how to spell pipe (pop) the way you say it
cool
Dont the Twins do this
Replace
Why not reline?
@RogerWakefield reduction of your sewer diameter! Almost the #1 thing you're taught as an apprentice, "Never reduce drains in direction of flow."
@@RogerWakefield bc i have a real plumber that replaces pipes for $800 instead of $5k that the big companies want for that bs reline. new pipe always better. my Jesus is a plumber not a carpenter. 🍻
hiring police detail if your on a busy road and your lateral connects way down the road....dealing with the town or city permit bullshit depending on the town ...trying to find hotels for tenants if its a rental property.....i had company come in and do 55 feet of line in 5 hours ...tenants back in that night ...no issues
@@patrickfernandez4739 slightly smaller continious smooth line or the 50 year old scaly cast iron that everything gets caught on especially the " flushable" wipes
First!