How Did They Miss This RED FLAG? | Malaysian Airlines Flight 134
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On July 18th, 2018, Malaysian Airlines Flight 134 (operated with an Airbus A330) departed Brisbane, Australia for its night flight to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. But even during the takeoff roll, the pilots noticed something wrong. They had no speed indications at all. Find out with me today what happened here, and how a simple error commited by various people almost ended in disaster, and how the pilots of this Airbus A330 saved this plane.
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How Did They Miss This RED FLAG? | Malaysian Airlines Flight 134
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As someone who just began working ground operations at an airport, I'm going to think of this video every time I do a pre-flight walk around
As a pilot, I thank you 😃
such a smooth transition to an ad I didn't even know I was watching one until hear the word "sponsor". nice job
I wonder if that same "freezing up" is also a factor in the unholy number of trains we have here in the Netherlands driving through red signals every year (and luckily then stopped automatically usually) despite train drivers presumably being well trained... ("unholy" as in 1200 times in 6 years, so an average of 200 trains crossing red signals every year, which sounds like something that should be impossible... it almost never leads to serious accidents due to automatic safety controls & traffic control monitoring in real time, but still...)
I know it's not aviation, but I assume the safety issues are similar...
wow damn, that's a lot!
RUclips's favourite aviation incident.
Each ribbon should be very long to bring it to head height and there should be a bright flashing led on the end. It would cost practically nothing and could save an aircraft.
“It’s free real estate” - Airspace
Not a fan of the sponsor transition at all. I always watch your videos very closely, it's one of the few channels I'm subbed to where I never multitask while watching. I was very engaged, and still trying to follow the story well into the sponsor spot. It wasn't until you got to 401Ks that I realized what was happening. I understand you gotta eat, but please give us an obvious transition so we aren't wondering whether we're still in the story or not.
noted!
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For what it’s worth, I feel exactly the opposite: I smiled when I realized the story had deftly transitioned into a sponsor ad read. I do NOT skip sponsor reads from creators I like, because I want those creators to get credited for the full watch time. And since I’m going to watch/listen to the sponsor plug, I strongly prefer when it’s entertaining, or at least cleverly integrated (or otherwise done well). And I may be in the minority on this, but IMO, using sponsor block software to watch content from creators you enjoy is, uh, maybe not the nicest thing to do, unless you’re supporting those creators directly (like via Patreon, or its mostly nonexistent 😕 competitors). You’re already getting to watch quality content, for free, from a smaller, niche creator; why not spare an extra 45 seconds, so that the creator can afford to continue making more content that you get to watch for free? I can’t afford to support creators directly, but I CAN afford to spend an extra minute to help folks, in a small way, get paid for doing work that I enjoy.
I cry every time a sponsor message appears
Those fearmongering scammy ads are really a blemish on this wonderful channel.
It is easy to be smart after, but they had the best chance to abort the take off, they were not under pressure to take off, they were plain stupid to still go ahead with that.
Is just me or the outro music gives me goosebumps? Great videos Chris! Keep it up!
Thank you!
Another excellent presentation.
I am astounded and quite disappointed that a professional crew from a reputable carrier BOTH continued with the takeoff and did not conduct an RTO with clearly U/S Pitot-Static systems or other failure given the absent/erroneous airspeed indications!
Extremely poor confidence and assertiveness from the F/O passively suggesting an RTO with the question “so abort?” rather than insisting “Dual Airspeed Failure - We are NOT Safe to continue - Let's Reject the Takeoff NOW, and return to ramp for engineering”
The entire purpose of a walk around is to check all observed systems are correct and undamaged along with identifying any non normal concerns, at night with the use of a Bright flashlight, casting the light and eyes on targets long enough to mentally confirm 'Normal and Undamaged'. The PIC was new to type so even more reason for greater diligence.
What is the point of conducting a walk around if not the observe what appears unusual rather than just expecting to see what is conducive with one's mental model?
Perhaps the red 'REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT' streamer needs to be a great deal larger and more obvious, perhaps these warning devices also need to be produced with reflector stripes on both sides, when the flashlight is cast on it, the streamer will be far more obvious. Red is not terribly bright at night.
Purely a point of trivia, the aircraft despite if being an international flight is parked on a domestic ramp at BNE!
The international terminal is quite a bit smaller and a reasonable distance to the left of where the aircraft is parked. Amusing but unimportant to a brilliantly recounting of the event in question.
After two very similar accidents that occurred on B757s; a Birgenair B757 highly suspected to have had nesting insect Pitot Tube congestion having been left exposed and unprotected for several days in a locally-known area of concern, and an AeroPeru B757 with a non-contrasting metalised tape covering the Static Ports to protect water infiltration when washing the aircraft.
All three of these incidents occurred at night, all three aircraft presented erroneous speeds and instrument mismatch during the takeoff roll, yet all three crews elected to continue rather than conduct a low speed RTO, return to the ramp and resolve the issue.
Sadly both B757s were lost moments after takeoff. While it was more good luck than good airmanship (initially) that mercifully the A330 had a safe resolution. Clearly there was excellent CRM and decisions made after other serious blunders and poor assertiveness got them into the incident they found themselves. They were also not further confused with absence of visual references as the B757 crews were with moonless clear nights.
The AeroPeru event in particular was complicated with even poorer CRM than Birgenair's crew, the F/O had a clearer understanding but the PIC chose to ignore and override him, a few minutes later of level flight and appropriately controlled airspeed they could have had a 'wing man' fly alongside them to safely guide them back to the field. All they needed to do was position the thrust levers at an ‘average' position and gently turn back around towards the light of the airport for visual attitude reference.
I'm going to add to the several people who've been annoyed by the way the advert was handled in this video. There was no attempt to provide a clear warning that from 3:40 to 5:01 is in fact a sponsored advert and not content. It's doubly annoying because the story itself is an interesting one, there have been other cases similar to this that have ended in catastrophe (Birgenair 301 is the most well known.), in this case the crew was on the ball.
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Thanks Chris, for your very comprehensive dissection of this interesting (and somewhat disturbing) incident. No one better placed than you to analyze the A330!
thank you steve!
Wow! The Capt only had around 500hrs on type, missed an obvious mandatory check and then failed to have the takeoff aborted with NO speed indications? I hope he was demoted to cleaning out the lavatory holding tanks!
K, so I paused @10:30 - What happened during the pilot walk around? Didn't they see anything suspicious? Or, because the aircraft didn't sit overnight it wasn't required? ...Unpause....
Just seen this on the flight channel today
Same
I think Mentour also did one on this. I think Airspace does his narration too hard. I mean, English is not his first language and he overdoes some emotional twists, irony and a foreboding tone at times. I mean, a technical chain of events is not a deep moral lesson.
My day just got better.
Many accidents have occurred due to pitot tubes being covered. I have a question:
Have any accidents been caused by mud wasps having their nests clogging pitot tubes?
Yes. Birgenair Flight 301.
Birgenair flight 301 killing all 190 on board
Enjoy your stories. Though I recently saw RUclips story about masterworks. It may not all what people think. Buyer be aware. Be careful with sponsors . You don’t want to be selling titles in Scotland 🤷♂️😂
Your advertisment skips are unbecoming to such a serious channel, and I hope you make your add breaks more normal. You are talking about deaths and disasters, not gaming. Disappointed in a channel I have followed since its inception
One thing another documentary I watched about this mentioned is, when you take off you're supposed to have pitot tube covers in the cockpit so you know they're not on the plane, and the pilots did do the part of the checklist where you check and verbally confirm they're there.
But covers had been installed by the airport, separate from the ones that come with the plane, so there being pitot tube covers in the cockpit didn't mean that there weren't covers installed on the tubes. So that check did nothing.
good point! For most airlines, that would be true. Malaysian A330s never carried their own pins/covers, though. I don't know why... source: final report.
A fine sentiment there at the end. Crazy that who's responsible for taking those mudwasp covers off again before takeoff wasn't clearly defined in the manual!
sad that a simple checklist should have prevented this problem, but lots of stupid people didn't bother to do their jobs.
This is like 4th major incident that has been linked to Malaysian airlines. Is the airlines really that bad or just a series of bad luck?
The long detour of that plane raising red flag to the engineer who familiar with flight plan & also a passenger in aircraft. 😁
crazy that they did not abort the takeoff with unreliable speed
Out of the other 3 channels I have seen cover this you’re the only one who has actually explained why the landing gear does not function with all ADR off.
So is there now a master warning that goes off if airspeed is not detected on takeoff on one or more ADR’s?
No, nothing at all, just red speed flags on the primary flight displays. I have always wondered why that is.
@@AirspaceVideos I mean for 99.99% of pilots that is enough of a warning to stop
it definitely should be!
"SIMPLY, DIFFUSION OF RESPONSIBILITY."
I see what you did here with the title
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in the previous crashes caused by pitot tube making aircraft reading go haywire many life had vanished question is Does Pilot learned about Pitot Tube malfunction will causing haywire in instrument reading at Flight School ????
So can the pitot tubes be included in preflight checks (other than verifying covers are removed) ?
How are you going to see inside them?
As a Bribanerian I appreciate this video
Thanks for delivering more amazing content!
man, this airline.
Why don't they make pito tube covers that fall off under high speed.
Because then they risk getting sucked into the engines
I learnt from a Malaysian colleague. This is the common working attitude in many Malaysian's company, poor discipline and disregard of rules. That's why my Malaysian colleague feel frustrated and left his ex-company.
Tank you for taking the time to present us another great insight!
As safe as planes are nowadays, there is always the factor "human". Routine can be such a dangerous thing, especially in aviation. Incredible that no one noticed the literal red flags. That could've ended so bad and somehow reminds me of the A330 Air France accident over the altantic. Glad that everyone was fine.
Thanks for another great video Airspace !
Thankfully all ended well.
Masterworks is sketchy at best. I'd recommend against taking their sponsorships.
could you please make a video about el al cargo flight 1862
I think civil airports should have a final check position at take off roll end of runway as military do one last chance to catch errors such as this
the Flight Channel also uploaded the same story recently
Interestingly, this incident nearly happened again at Brisbane. The aircraft was either about to or was pushing back until someone noticed the covers were still installed. They could be seen on CCTV. It was a Singapore aircraft I think.
oh really, interesting!
PUT BIGGER AND LONGER RED FLAGS ON THE PITOT TUBES AND STATIC PORTS COVERS , NOBODY GONNA MISS THEM
Typical, "It's not my job mate".
A problem with a Malaysia Airlines flight?
Nooooo.....
At least 6 events in the chain. Great c r m at the end
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏻
6:00 How does the aircraft realise it’s moving despite no speed information? I guess thrust application and then the computer waits for the airspeed to come alive after a set period of time. Would love to hear from the expert though.
When it senses ground speed from the GPS/intertial sensors above 50kts.
Mentor pilot uploaded a longer and more detailed technical analysis, about 2 weeks ago
2 weeks? More like 9 months
This issue could have been so easily avoided by doing proper maintenance documentation. As soon as the pitot covers were installed, a maintenance write up (discrepancy) should have been added to the maintenance logbook. No airplane is allowed to be dispatched with an open discrepancy.
Hm, I see the human factor in this, but there is definitely also a process issue involved, if a two points in time, people do not complete a check, because they think it is someone else's duty and nobody notices it is skipped.
Some kind of checklist or sign off system would have detected that the walkaround was not completed.
Unsub due to the unfair Ad's inclusion into the story.
Sorry to see you go. This was an experiment by the sponsor, and I don't like it either.
Malaysian is one of the most dangerous airlines in the world. No surprise.
5 crashes since 1947, definitely not one of the most dangerous airlines
@@thedpstraveller They have killed 537 people. That clearly makes them one of the most dangerous airlines in the world.
@@surisuri8993 american airlines: over 1100 fatalities from crashes, double. Malaysian airlines, to me at least, is definitely not "clearly" one of the most dangerous...
@@thedpstraveller Well, you clearly have a problem with reading comprehension. I said Malaysian is one of the most dangerous airlines in the world. This is a statistical fact. Try reading carefully next time.
@@surisuri8993 lol what? in your reply to my first comment you said "clearly" so i quoted that, do you have multiple (or even just one) reliable sources to back up that statistical fact?, I could be wrong, just want to make sure it is a "fact" since if i simply google "most dangerous airlines in the world" Malaysian isnt on any of the lists
It’s annoying that creators copy eachother why copy other airplane videos
There’s been multiple major crashes, at least one that I know of commercially that killed hundreds, because of an old technology apparatus called a pito tube. It’s ridiculous, we have to figure out something else. I think in the one I’m thinking of the Pito tube iced over. Way too much relying on one little part. There should be multiple redundancies. . If they have to get expensive ground radar, GPS or satellite tracking,Pressure sensor that can give you at least a ballpark figure of your airspeed based on the pressure you’re getting relative to your altitude. Something. Or whatever it may be, there has to be a better solution. It’s worse than Achilles’ heel
Also, I can’t think of any reason a commercial jet wouldn’t be able to tell you that the Peto tube is covered. Do you think it would know right away because there be no airflow. Or if it melted the cover off it would know that as well. How can you fly big commercial airplanes without knowing if the Peto tube is free and clear? And don’t worry about the spelling mistakes and stuff I’m using voice to text while I drive. Of course apples not gonna know what a Peto tube is they’ll probably think it’s that animal rights groups
There ARE multiple redundancies. And if you analyze the accidents that did happen, I'm pretty sure all of them had major human errors involved. Radar and GPS don't work, because they report ground speed and not airspeed. It is possible to measure airspeed with static pressure sensors (the B-2 works this way), but it is vastly more complex, the system has to be designed for it, and ultimately it is also subject to the same failure risks.
@@Ryan-mq2mi you actually think about what you just said you’d realise you’re wrong. Name me a single crash that was directly caused by the blocked pitot or at static ports? What I mean is the moment they were blocked the plane just fell out of the sky. This aircraft is proof that doesn’t happen. It is what the pilots do afterwards that causes the crash. Just because you don’t have any airspeed indications doesn’t mean that’s it, you’re going to crash. You just have to think carefully about what to do next and in the care of this crew utilise the technology that older planes didn’t have. Even with the older planes there were ways to fly safetly using radio altimeter and determining your AOA to work out if you were flying fast or slow.
GPS cannot measure airspeed, only groundspeed. And yes it is possible to fit sensors onto the cover and tube so if they are detected together it sets off an alert. The issue is the pilots should have seen the no airspeed on takeoff and aborted.
Seems nobody mentions that the Pitot tubes were first thought of in the late 1700's, and modified as they are today in the early 1950's. I tried posting on another channel that Pitot tubes are embarrassingly outdated technology, given everything we know today - such as the ubiquitous touch-screen cell phones. My comment was immediately deleted. I wonder if this one will be deleted, too.
Have you actually got a proposal for a replacement technology? How else can you measure airspeed? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. The backup technology on this aircraft and newer version in later models still is only for estimated airspeed, not accurate
This! It is remarkably simple and does the job. Why replace it?
@@AirspaceVideos ---- Because there are problems with it, as in this video. I believe there have been other incidents, involving a paint job, and a wasp's nest. I mentioned touch screens because it seem to me it would be possible to lay a touch-film over a foot or two of aircraft skin, and software to screen out rain drops, hail, etc.. A tiny fan similar to an auxiliary power unit might be possible too. Viewers get upset over crashes. Small cameras pointed at control surfaces are an idea, too. An abacus works very well, too, if you know how to use one, so do horses, oxen, mules, etc.. Simple and effective. Why replace them? 😃Added: I think there was also in incident involving Pitot tubes freezing. Touch screens can be made remarkable tough, with a possible added benefit of ice detection Maybe engineers have a boat-load of suggested improvements - too many to implement, but there may also be unwanted inertia against innovation. MCAS certainly has had its problems, as have other over-dependencies on computers. Thank you for not deleting my suggestion.
@@davesmith5656 well any system that works with pressure sensing has the same issues as the pitot tubes, any system that uses moving parts is way more prone to failure as parts wear out, and also Icing is easily prevented on pitot tubes, with moving parts it is way harder to prevent Icing. Any system not using airflow or pressure directly would probably be related to either gps or inertial navigation systems, wich both are used by the aircraft already. They are due to their inprecisions not used as primary source of speed, only as secondary (in the simple speed scale for example, or also by the navigation system when combining data from VOR's, Inertial navigation, GPS and the pitot system to confirm the planes location and speed). Also boeing will be using a digital third speed sensor on the 737 by combining AOA data, weight data and GPS data so they have three data sources without installing a physical third pitot tube.
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This event has already been covered on another channel.
I thought it said MH370