This A320 Almost Ran Out Of Fuel | VivaColombia Flight 8332
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VivaColombia Flight 8332 was a domestic flight in Colombia, carrying passengers from Cali to Riohacha. Due to bad weather, the crew tried to divert, but bad weather soon complicated things much more for the Captain and the First Officer of the Airbus A320. Finally, the crew attempted an emergency landing.
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This Could Have Been Colombia's Worst Air Disaster | VivaColombia Flight 8332
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Unless some recklessness is discovered in the Final Report, I must say these pilots really worked diligently and mindfully and got everyone down safely. Nice job.
They were very unlucky, all indications on departure told them that this was a marginal situation, but nothing extraordinary. I commend them for making all the diversions necessary at the right time. There’s no certainty when you’re up in the air
I tend to agree. For many, the potential impact of weather is SO underestimated once you finish flight planning. And, let’s be honest, we all count on good weather reporting/radar and ATC. So when one or more of those aren’t reliable/available, the deck starts to be stacked against us, sometimes way worse than we imagine at that moment.
I tend to agree with you here. Marginal, yes. Critical, no. At least, not that they knew or could have known at the time.
especially because it develops over time, and you always have a little hope the conditions will improve as you approach. better data drive better decisions, and this crew did its job getting passengers and airframe down safely for another day
They did a great job. They were, in essence, being chased by bad weather and "got away". I'm sure you pilots are feeling a tightness in the butt looking at those fuel guages, but I see how accurate their fuel estimates were and how well they used the resources. Often disappointed but never confused by the changing conditions. Passengers up safe. Passengers down safe. Great job.
I am a retired USAF weather forecaster who used to forecast for LATAM when I was assigned to USARSO and Southern Command.
1. Colombian weather reporting and forecasting are not the same quality as the USA, Canada, and Western Europe.
2. During the wet season (May-Dec) in the afternoon, Northern Colombia is notorious for heavy TSTM activity. The safe bet is to assume heavy TSTMs unless the analysis justifies only isolated activity. This is a rarity during the months of June-early July and Sep-Dec since the ITCZ is transitioning across the region, Northward (early summer) or Southward (late fall.) The NW coast of Colombia is orographically ideal for TSTM development during the wet season, even when there aren't any depressions to enhance widespread development.
Based on the narrative, the failure is with the Colombian MetOps teams (either government or carrier contracted) for not giving the aircrew an accurate weather outlook for their flight.
The TSTMS in that region frequently have tops > 50K'.
It is not fair to blame the aircrew, other than maybe once the storms started forming, to return to Cali and wait it out.
interesting, thanks!
I believe the pilots had the best perspective because of their familiarity with that region. With the information they had, and knowledge of area weather tendencies, they made the correct circumstantial choices and decisions, and landed safely despite things. ATC gave them the highest priority, and made sure they had more than sufficient separation on final so they could better manage their speed and maintain a solid stabilized final approach.
I fly in the southwest US area, and summer storms can be insanely intense, but are statistically short-lived. If I'm an hour from Phoenix, and there are intense storms at the field, chances are very high that I'll be able to land with no significant delays. ATC does a stellar job vectoring us out of the severe regions, and will usually change our approaches to prevent delay stacking.
That said, 400 kg / 880 lbs fuel means that there was about 6 minutes usable fuel before those CFM engines flame out. That meant that they had to stick the landing in the midst of severe gusts and wind sheers on final -- there was simply not enough fuel for a GA/MA attempt.
In the future, it would serve them well to add about 45 minutes fuel (4,500 lbs / 2,100 kgs) to mitigate extreme situations this rainy season.
It feels like they did well given what they knew at the start of their flight. The only question might be that given so many other airports had poor conditions, did they plan for fuel adequately? Will be interesting to learn what the final report has to say. Really good job Airspace, thank you. 👍
100% agree, they could’ve taken more fuel on departure to make this situation less dramatic, but then again, they might’ve used it up going to another alternate with just as bad weather so likely the result would’ve been the same, given how unpredictable this weather was
"will they get to the ground?" Well, yes. Yes they will.
"safely?" Oh, that's a much different question.
Thanks Airspace always good to see your content ! A close call indeed, thankfully all ended well.
They did the best they could with the information they had at hand. They made the decisions that needed to be made, when they needed to be made. The crew probably could have done better, but as I wasn't there I can't say how they might have been better. In the end they got the plane and people on the ground safely.
They did a fantastic job to me from where I"m sitting. Great pilots!
Sometimes, a decision is just that. A decision. It's not right or wrong, it's just a choice made at
a specific time and place. A safe landing, even at the wrong airport, is a good landing.
Another fantastic insight. The idiot i m i ran out of gas on an Autobahn once, and that was scary.
Packed in that situation with passengers...i cant even imagine the pressure. Thank you!
Hey, we've all been there or at least very close. 😉👍
@@commerce-usa Back in the days, we gonna be fine : )
It's crazy to think about how the pilots must've felt when finally trying to land, knowing in the back of their mind that a go-around won't be a real option. But to add, glider pilots know that feeling too good as well😅
How had I not heard of this one before?!
Me either
right? completely underreported :)
@@AirspaceVideos Thank you for highlighting it! It was extremely interesting. It will be even more interesting when the full report comes out.
@@AirspaceVideos not true, it was cover nation wide in Colombia and South America region. Over there they blamed the pilots for not landing at Santa Marta, where Airbus A320 land daily. Apparently, they were threatening by the airline management…Regardless, it seems that they were not at the highest of the professional level of an ATP, to let this situation becoming this serious.
I was glued to the screen for this story!
Makes me wonder how fast the new weather info is disseminated to airports. And brings to mind various other related crashes too
usually, every 30mins. But quality of weather reports differs greatly in various locations of the world 🙃
Which is I'd argue still way, way way too slow given how storms are, not just in Colombia, but all over the world. I've seen storms out my window come across the valley, dump rain and hail and move on out all within 10-15 minutes. I'dm just saying 30 minutes is way too big of a gap between updates really and something should be done to tighten up the time gap really. Yes aircrat have weather radar but that's just one bit of the system.
True! Some airports do issue special weather reports if the weather changes dramatically. But "feeling" or guessing the weather situation - that's the job of us pilots 🙃
@@AirspaceVideos Colombia is usually per hour during the daytime, even with SPECI events.
ah okay, didn't know that
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I don't think they did anything wrong, they were making logical decisions based on the knowledge they had. They had even taken extra fuel for the trip
Viva Colombia!!
Great video, as always!
Very good video, and it even has a happy end. What more could I wish for 😃
They were in a tough situation for sure - so many airports, all of them having bad weather. Maybe the investigators will find that the pilots overlooked some important details but with what we know now, the pilots didn't really have many options there.
All's well that ends well 🙂
Another well presented episode Chris! Thank you.
I think they might have been very tensed as there were thunderstorms everywhere and they did their best in such situation and landed safely
Can you please make a video regarding the recent crash of Yeti Airlines that happened in Nepal?
once the report is out, yes
I really can't offer an opinion on the crews' decisions. In cases like this, oftentimes, there are many intangibles we aren't privy to. 😉✌️✈️
I am a bit surprised that alternates in neighbouring countries are not considered (or not mentioned here).
Sure, it would be a massive annoyance for passengers without a valid visa, but just to get the plane down it seems fine
I'm pretty sure they would be considered. Most likely, there were valid reasons for not using them.
I'm not sure what they could have done different, other than carry larger fuel reserves on every flight.
The only thing I would ask is if the calculations for the fuel were allowing enough time for holding and diversions, I don't think the pilots could reasonably have done anything else because everywhere they went had terrible weather conditions. They weren't fixated on one airport, they tried anywhere they could get to.
When they arrived, the mechanics looked at the plane and said "ain't got no gas in it"
The question is the quality of Colombian weather forecasting sited at or near airports- sounds they are terrible at their jobs.
What's with the pitch black clouds in direct sunlight?
Indian airlines Flight 440 was a similar case, but where aircraft ran out of fuel and had to make crash landing in a field. No one died but aircraft was a write off, BTW aircraft was Airbus A300 not A320.
Never heard of that one, thanks!
I'd like to know why they started out with so little fuel to begin with. Yes, I know they don't "top off the tanks," but I'd still think they'd take off with way more fuel for a one hour flight.
They did, they had fuel to fly for 3.5 hours for a 1 hour and 40 minute flight
Very nicely done, graphics and narration! I sure enjoyed those different cloud colors and formations! I am not involved in aviation in any way, I don’t even play flight simulator games. I just have a question that perhaps is very basic and simple, but it’s something I don’t know and have not heard mentioned.
I realize pilots are in touch with several entities while flying, most importantly ATC and weather. But to what extend is the airline involved while the plane is flying, and how? How can they tell a pilot to land a plane on a runway too short for its weight, which potentially is wet, making landing even more difficult? How and where and who at the airline obtains the flight data for their planes, and what do they base their decisions on? Do pilots report to the airline regularly during a flight? I only know about ATC sitting in a tower with all those fancy screens, guiding planes, it’s pretty straightforward.
I vaguely remember watching a video about a flight somewhere on the US West Coast, where the airline urged the crew to land at a particular airport under very bad conditions. The crew was reluctant. Get-there-it is was involved, and it was the airline, not the pilots that wanted to get there fast. The flight ended up crashing.
So who exactly is that person(s) at the airline telling a pilot what to do? To what extend is the airline involved in every flight that’s in the air at the moment?
What you are describing is called Dispatch and is a part of the airline that plans and maintains flight routes for that airline. Dispatch usually has tons of information relayed, like engine data, and can assist with all kinds of things through airline resources in case of emergency. Airplane engineers has been known to be patched in during mayday calls to provide help during several accidents. The Qantas 32 flight had engineers on high alert when the airplane engine data started to roll in after the explosion.
Exactly, that's the dispatch office. Usually, communication is done via ACARS, a simple text messaging system that is relayed via satellite or VHF radio. On larger planes, communicating via satellite phone might also be an option.
Dispatch will often have a narrower view on a situation that the pilots have. They also think in different patterns, more leaning towards the economical side of things. For them, it must have been the best option to have the flight land at the airport that is closest to the destination. Also, the weather report indicated that the weather was okay-ish.
Pilots on the other hand will be much more awarw of safety topics, like considering that the runway is short, the weather might be worse than expected etc.
Dispatch is always trying to help, but sometimes their suggestions have to be taken with a grain of salt.
@@avgeek-and-fashion thank you very much for the explanation! I hadn’t heard of dispatch, so at least now I can put a name to it! I’d heard several times that, or instance, flight engineers were consulted in mayday calls and such. It’s good to have a place where resourced are pooled. Now that makes sense!
@@AirspaceVideos yes I realize ultimately it’s the pilot captain who makes the decisions as he’s the one in charge of the flight. I can see where extra help can be a lifesaver. However, I’ve also seen where that help isn’t so helpful. And sometimes you just don’t have the luxury of mulling things over. You may only have seconds to come up with a decision. Sounds a bit similar to dispatch offices on the ground for emergency workers. Thanks for clarifying that! It’s amazing all the stuff a non aviator can learn here! 😀
IMAGINE, a THIRD occupant of the cockpit, who didn't have a million other things to not take their eyes off, and could be working all the logistics out to ASSIST, competent pilots, who literally don't have enough limbs between them to operate under mayday situations.
I've even thought of a name for that created position.
A Flight Manager
It's like the worst exam ever, when you're battling with what is essentially a computer, mixed with motorised parts, and don't understand either, in depth. Just what you've learned in your training.
When that goes bad...
You have to assume a multitude of occupations, electrician, IT expert, specific knowledge of the aircraft model, little 'quirks' of regional airports, landing trajectories, and minus something that usually handles all this FOR you.
It's impossible to perform 100%, under pressure. They even want to do away with a CO-PILOT!
Can you imagine what happens in an emergency THEN?
Just watch all those birds plummet from the sky. If hypercapitalism, isn't held in check.
And loss of human life ISN'T collateral damage, and weighed up in direct comparison, to a piece of paper, or a billion, with someone famous ingrained into the green print.
One pilot.
Anyone who would even contemplate travelling with THOSE carriers. Is insane.
Yup, single pilot ops would be the end of safety in my humble opinion...
@@AirspaceVideos cutting corners which put costs over safety, has never ended well.
That pilot has a medical emergency and that's that!
No one can get in to even TRY to fly the plane. Even if they knew anything about operating one.
I can't imagine what a lone pilot could miss, or just nit do out of laziness, fall asleep.
Jeez.
Nope nope nope.
Humble opinions are the ones to listen to.
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I can't get past the unnaturally colored cloud graphics.
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Thanks for your great work as always….
Hi, thanks a lot! Yes, there is an email, it's in the "info" tab on my channel page. I have also sent a reply to you on buymeacoffee.
@@AirspaceVideos great thank you you Mr Airspace!