The Puma Is Incredibly Balanced
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- Опубликовано: 25 мар 2022
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War Thunder's latest update, Wind of Change, seems to be introducing a lot of unbalanced vehicles. The German PUMA IFV fits this theme very well. Remember when the Strf 9040B was added at a battle rating of 8.3 and clubbed for a while, despite being an IFV with no missiles and only an autocannon? The PUMA is pretty much the same deal, except it is also practically immune to HEAT, has an unmanned turret, MUSS active protection system, gen 2 thermals, and 400 continuous rounds of APFSDS. All at a BR of 8.3 in realistic battles. You would think Gaijin would know better by now, but apparently not. The PUMA is very overpowered right now, despite being modeled incorrectly.
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although i enjoy your more "planned out" videos, this certainly wasnt a letdown
If this should be 9.0 what BR should the bmp2m be certainly 9.7 then no?
Also if that eland is sad imagine the maus
@@nick230699 Yes, the BMP-2M is extremely undertiered.
I really enjoy this type of content from you, and I have no clue how gaijin let this thing out at 8.3
I cant belive you liked my comment that made my day cus my cat is sick and it wont live long😥
"im playing fps hes playing survival horror" perfectly encapsulates the puma
Its like old IS-6 at which u can (with 1 least one more friend on IS-6) ran forward and dont give a fok about enemies
Point and click adventure*
@@AlexNV75 with German friends!
@@user-rf2xl6ph7b yeah like when IS-6 was at 6.7 for a while. Absolute stomp.
@@user-rf2xl6ph7b I honestly miss those days
Gaijin: "After immense player feedback and statistic reviews we have decided to buff the PUMA and move it to 8.0"
Germany Suffers, dontcha know!
Jormanska zuffer, ju don't understand
not the bmp or T-72 so it will go up in br probably to 8.7
9.3 I hope
yeah I too love clubbing baby seals in my spare time
"Whatever comes through that wall you will stand your ground!"
Puma: *400 rounds of continuous apfsds
"I fear no man, not even death, for I am him."
Spike gets added and it’s like the real thing: “I, Skeletor (PUMA), am Master of the Universe!”
*_3.0 R3T20 flashbacks_*
Ruined the 8.0s
To be fair the PUMAs firepower isnt too insane, and its weak from behind, at the same time though, it can soak up so much.
Playing 7.3, the sound of that gun is what I fear the most. Then I instantly know Im in 8,3... 😰
coming back to this video after a year and PUMA now being at 10.0, its definetly subject to change
I know you like making your shorter content, but its great just to see you having some fun and testing stuff out. I, personally, would love to see more of this type of content. Its great to see your reactions to things sometimes. Thank you for providing us with such amazing entertainment! 10/10
absolutely! was very refreshing to see this type of content
Indeed
i agree, I love this video format
I Feel the same
This is short content
By saying : "Just not 8.3", means gaijin can now officially take it down to 8.0 and 7.7
Reserve PUMA here wo go! xD
Both Pumas in the same lineup.
it's 9.3 now, i just checked it
@@dasschwarzelicht4023 Yeah, this comment thread was created when the PUMA first came out :/
@@dasschwarzelicht4023 there is SOME justice in the world...
"I'm playing a FPS, he is playing a survival horror" that KILLED me💀
Such a great line, i mean his name is spookston, he delivers a ton of spooks.
then: "puma at 8.3"
now : "puma at 10.0" 💀
Atleast the bmp2m is at 10.0 too thank god
@@quan-uo5wsnah 10.0 too low move it to 11.7
@@wt_god 10.7 would be alright
If i remember, the PUMA cannon is a open-breech one, which allows it to have 2 belts going at the same time, there why the insta-reload, but odd that when switching belts, it doesnt do the same.
I actually took it at 9.0 and it performed the same, mostly becasue there were more light armor that high, yet, the turret is a issue since a shot may take all your ammo out, disable vertical (often), horizontal, or damage the gun.
oh, and the MUSS somewhat is a spotlight when turned on in the infrared sight (not thermal), so you may want to bind the turn off setting for IRCMs.
the MUSS should actually be turned off at all times and automatically activate when it detects a missile (when it does the MUSS jammer turns towards the missile and it flickers on and off so fast that you can't pick it up with thermals)
its missing the 600rpm bustfire mode
The MUSS should be 360 degrees but it is currently just dazzling in the way the turret looks. It’s also able to block 4 missiles at once. With that capability you are literally a demigod.
it needs to be put at 11.0
@@ramonlujan2377 If the Puma goes that up because of reliable protection and APFSDS in autocannon form, then M3A3 Bradley should be at 10.0 since it trades protection with nasty TOW-2s, and capability to fire behind cover (exposing only the Launcher and commander optic).
"I'm playing an FPS, he's playing survival horror" nearly made me spit out my drink. Well said!
Im proud to say that I served 3 years as a german mechanized infantryman with this tank. An amazing vehicle
Pls don't leak stuff about it ;-)
Not a tank....
@@furiousredeem1207 oh ok internet warrior what else is it?
@@Germane075 an infantry fighting vehicle or Schützenpanzer in your shitty old European language.
@@furiousredeem1207 yeah and do you know the german word for tank? Its panzer. Schützenpanzer means „Infantry Tank“. And english is also an european language?
As a Russian tech tree player, my teams at 8.3 are getting shredded by this thing match after match. Not pulling the 'broken' card on it, as its very killable; but give the Puma to a competent player who knows the maps well and your team will fold like a house of cards every single time.
Me who couldn’t grind Israel 7.3-7.7 because all my matches were up br to 8.3 getting ass fucked by a tank with gen 2 thermals when none of my tanks even had a stabilizer 🤣🤣🤣
Honestly kinda deserved because russia absolutely dominates from 3.0 to 6.0. I had nothing but uptiers against russians
8.3? Ah, that BR is one of the best. You have tanks like IS-7, T-10M, T-55, T-62, BMP-2, and perhaps some others that i forgot to mention. The puma is annoying to deal with, but, if you have anything other than light tanks, never show flat side to it. It's good practice in general to always angle the tank slightly when taking a corner. The thing is that, both its weakspot and the turret are very inconsistent. I shot the ammo in the turret like 4 times and none of the times when i killed a puma was by an ammo detonation. And most of my kills were on clueless german players rushing blindly.
If you want some strong russian lineups, check out 4.3; 5.7; 7.7; 8.3; 8.7; 11.3.
My favourite BR to grind is 7.7 because of almost constant downtiers to shread 6.7s which can't do anything to my IS-4M or IS-6. My second favourite is 5.7 (or 6.0) where i can bully an entire lobby with the KV-220, T-34-85, IS-1, ISU-122S for 5.7 or SU-100 for 6.0 and IS-2 for 6.0. For SPAA, BTR-ZD for the 5.7 lineup and the praga for the 6.0 lineup.
The APS isn’t even working correctly to its irl counterpart which can automatically detect and counter up to four missiles at once. I honestly expected the Puma to get wreaked but I’ve consistently hit aces with it
Now imagine ever having to fight a Puma, with modernized Soviet equipment in real life. With the Puma's equipment working as advertised.
@@KSmithwick1989 eh, pretty much any soviet tank could kill it with APFSDS. Only the BMPs would have issues, but the Puma is about the coat of a tank, so that isn't really fair.
@sheep lord Granted the Spike LR on the Puma has a 4,000 m range and top-attack capability. Meaning it's well outside the range of Russian tanks. While also using superior optics.
@@sheeplord4976 thats if you even get into range.
The Puma is making the T10 and heavies in general so much better. Most of the enemies I find at the 8.3 matches with my T10 M is pumas, which struggle to pen even at the sides.
Not really depends on if u are a id*ot with the puma or using brain
Bro I'm getting a better KD in my T55A and T62s because pumas can't pen me anywhere no matter how hard they try while you can easily oneshot them with apcbc / apds
@@CryBite My IS-7 has risen from the grave.
Gentlemen, is it time for me to bring out my Object 279 from its glorious slumber?
Well, the Stock belt sucks and this is probably why it has trouble going through T-55s etc
I've been playing the AH1G on the PVE event and yes, if the gunner is out you cannot use the 7.62miniguns or the 40mm if you have it equipped. But can still shoot the hydras. 1:30
Also with things like Apaches you can't use the ATGMs, and I'm pretty sure the chaingun is disabled too
oh no what will i do without my 7.62s
Considering how fast the AH-1G dies in Ground RB most of the time, and most of the damage comes from the Hydras, the gunner-operated 40mm is... not the most important in that scenario. Which is sort of what I feel Spook was getting at.
@@TheAmazingCowpig wym?
7.62 is the best wheapon system in the game
These day's its at 10.0.
I always have to face these vehicles when they're introduced and are hilariously OP, but never manage to unlock them before their BR gets adjusted.
Thank you tank furry, very cool!
overall what gaijin has done with the puma is illogical not only does it have what it should but it still manages to be a lower BR than what it should be though its stock grind is extremely painful due to 2/3rds of its rounds being HE
I call it bs.
yea, having 1 out of 3 round to be APDS iis painful, but the entire thing is just taking shot most of the time, and having those HE is good against aircraft.
Doesn’t it have a missile launcher irl?
It doesn't do what it should actually.
@@averagedarksoulsplayer4138 not officially and It currently doesn’t have any place to store extra ATGMs so you would only get the 2 available in the launcher
@@ColorHawk_ thank you
Imo this thing perfectly complements the german SK-105, one is obnoxious up close the other is obnoxious from far away.
This thing is literally like the PT-76-57 but with actual defense.
PT-76-57 is still more obnoxious than PUMA beacose APHE, while PUMA has only APSFDS
@@sergejstojkovic8617 only has APFSDS? Are you high? That round is insane out of a normal cannon let alone auto cannon who the hell uses APHE at high tier😂
@@alexbarboni6619 For a small flanker tank the APHE isn't that bad. It lets you oneshot-kill with a 0.5s reload autocannon. Also, welcome to fucking Frenchies and using SOLID SHOT AP at 7.3-7.7 so yeah... I would kill for some APHE instead
@@PAcifisti meh still rather have heatfs or apfsds and wow really they only have solid shot? Jeez seems like the French needed that upgrade not the Germans hopefully they get some love soon cause that must be hell
@@alexbarboni6619 Most of the French vehicles in the 7.0-7.7 bracket that have only solid shot AP available. The rest have only HEAT available. Char 25 (7.3) did get APHE added to it, but it comes at the cost of only 200mm pen at 7.3
It's because they're mostly ancient as fuck, from like 1950's era.
Pumas at 9.7 are still very good
-some guy who experienced pumas at 9.7
@GavinMFR: its at 9.3
@@loge9981 lol
It's quite painful fighting this vehicle with the Magach 1 and Magach 2 at 7.3 and being uptiered into 8.3 with the Puma dominating.
Merkava mk 2d is actually a good counter for puma
@@Slycarlo I suppose but I don't want to bring 7.3 tanks into 9.0 lol
And then there I was firing 2 TOW-2A towards a Merkava Mk 4M, aswell a DM43 from a 2PL TO THE SIDE WHILE AT A 50* ANGLE
Bro I'm getting a better KD in my T55A and T62s because pumas can't pen me anywhere no matter how hard they try while you can easily oneshot them with apcbc / apds
Get a solid shot thats all it takes
EDIT: if you got heat just shoot the turret then finish it in the drivers port .. Two shots like any other vehicle
@@CryBite Even HE will blow up Puma
2:46 As someone who has fought these in a Sheridan. Yeah. If you are in a Sheridan, same goes for the Starship, you don't fight these, you go somewhere else.
You can't even bonk them with your HE, as, unless the turret is facing over the Puma's front thus allowing you to splash the driver's hatch, there is nowhere to reliably kill the crew. Sure you can maim the shit out of its turret, but the Puma is wrapped in a cage as well. So a hit on the back won't do anything.
Yeah, I managed to fight a Puma and win with my Starship, but the fucker absorbed 3 shot of Heat.
All of US 8.0 is fucking fodder for these things. I put 600 rounds from the 163 into one and didnt kill it.
@@jonathanallen3688 right?! And the big issue is that there really isn't a good way of dealing with them at all. They tank everything and anything like nobody's business.
I don't care if the lower hull is "vulnerable." Uou just can't DO anything to them
@@arziac2677 i put 7 darts thru it with the AGS and couldnt get any spall to hit the crew could only see the top right half the transmission, radiator and engine ate all of it. And if it aint this cancer its the fucking anti everythin bagel panzer. Germany doesnt even have to field an MBT in 8.0 to 9.3 range right now to have the most meta lineups.
@@jonathanallen3688 yep. That's the other thing too. Why make a loadout when you just bring this?
still intresting that gaijin still has the option to add the Spike ATGM launcher to it and Rheinmetal also produces 50mm PELE shells, these could make it quite neasty, since they will then act more like Hesh/APHE than Darts, while being inert.
-edit they also make 30mm PELE, tought they added the 50mm variant not the 30mm Variant
Yeah, PELE projectiles are like apfsds munitions with hesh afterefect. Basically a way to bring back some of that old spalling.
I think adding the Spike would be fine, but ONLY if they kept the ammo inherently extremely limited, maybe even completely non reloading. Mind you, this is at 9.0 plus. Giving this thing any more toys at 8.3 would be horror.
@@gaychampagnesocialist7213 no they should add the other variants as separate vehicles, move the current puma to 8.7 and ass a puma with limited spikes at 9.3+ possibly 10.0
@@cqpp if it has the real lock fire and forget,non line of sight,auto targeting the next guy if it loses it's target, it's going to 11.0.
Spikes with like 3 vehicles that have systems to counter it would be retarded asf
The main problem is the survivability of the Puma. I was running into it earlier and I noticed even well placed shots in the middle of the vehicle would only take out like one compartment like the radiator or transmission. So then I decided to test it out in the armor viewer, and I noticed that APFSDS and sometimes APDS are the only things that can reliably kill it, and even then it still needs to be a good shot. HEAT and ATGMs, even from the front, will still barely do anything. I tested the Bradley’s ATGM right where the gunner and driver are and the optics ate up the shot. Also it makes it even harder to kill whenever there’s no crew in the turret, the ammo never goes off, and the cannon breach is really small so it doesn’t get hit much. It also has armor panels on the inside that will block any shrapnel and even stop a round from continuing on through the tank.
Now it is less survivable, yet i still prefer to fire 2 9M133 rockets from BMP-2M just to be safe
I’ve played against those things in Russian 7.3-7.7 vehicles and my goodness are they annoying. Had the whole team shooting at them and they still wouldn’t die. And being in an IS-4M meant I shot him once and it crippled his gun and killed his Gunner but nothing else surprisingly and then I had to wait like 20 sec watching him get pelted and only dying after I fired my second shot. People at this tier either know where to shoot or just keep hammering his ER plates or whatever they are
Aphe of your tank was ideal to kill it, something like a BMP might be trying to get through with no use
Cry. Now you know how it feels to face the P76-57
@@MerlinJuergens exactly what i was gonna say lol, about time Russian mains got a taste of their own medicine
pt-76-57 has literally no defense. If yah couldn't kill those things in a 1v1 then...
@@Lewd-Tenant_Isan PT-76-57 is undertiered, but at least it dies if you sneeze on it. Can't say the same about the puma.
I like how you improve your content
"Name another vehicle where you can just run straight at everybody and get like 4 kills before you die"
That's easy. M4 105.
Not if you face something like KV-1 with actual brains in their head
@@1999Almaz bro ive been running into m4 105s at br 1.3
i love farming them as germans
Having not watched some of your videos for a while, I really like having this new style of commentary from you! It feels different and refreshing from what I'd normally have expected!
Killing an AH-1G gunner lets the AH-1 still fire rockets/wing mounted guns, but the turret at the front becomes nonfunctional.
Maybe try the ELC Bis as it is such a rat vehicle with how fast and tiny it is. The shell doesn't even have that much drop for a low pressure 90mm
It is in basically every way a better m56
One year later and puma is on 10.0
Aaaaand now it’s 10.0
It seems that Sleepy Spookston is easy to make laugh ahah. It's good to see you do a different kind of editing it gives a kind of fresh or new to your usual doing but I also like the more shorter content. Great videos!
I absolutely love this format of videos. Your reactions and commentary during playing is just fun to listen to and watch. I would more than enjoy more videos like this and the M41 one. Keep up the good work spookston!
update its 10.0 now
and its still good
this was extremely entertaining to watch, a more casual format and all that, and seeing you have fun. keep it up
The thing is, it is still missing about 60% of its armor and most subsystems are also not correct. Currently, the only IFV in the world that is better protected than it is probably the T-15. The Puma should be straight 10.3 or higher if they fix it. With Spikes, 12.0+ Here is a short list of what is wrong:
-2 layers of armor on the UFP are missing (Edit: Seems fixed now)
-The frontal "exterior fuel tanks" are actually AMAP Armor inserts that can be taken out to lower weight for transport in a A400M
-LFP is wrong
-Sides are missing additional armor under the ERA and on the lower hull sides
-The front corner boxes are also armor (not sure if ERA or passive) not 5mm structural steel
-The back is missing armor (should be protected against russian 14.5mm)
-Turret is missing NERA armor plates
-CLARA ERA is missing its KE protection
-CLARA ERA on the Puma is only triggered by EFPs and insensitve to other attacks(such as KE), so it should only explode when hit by HEAT (More sensitive CLARA exists but is not used)
-Transmission is wrong, should be 6/6 not 10/5
-Reverse is wrong. It is not capped at -30kmh
-Thermals are still wrong (i think ?) should be gen3 (the forums found the actual resolution+zoom and angle)
-Commander optics is missing zoom
-MUSS is broken, should provide 360° by 70° protection
-MUSS directional auto smoke is missing
-Helicopter warning is missing
-PMC308 HETF should be KETF
-FCS for the KETF Ammo is missing, (makes it act like proxy fuze, can Auto track & lead Helis)
-Ammo feed is wrong. Should be 200 rounds contious feed, then reload from Hull ammo
-Gun feed is wrong, it is open bolt double fed. There is no delay between ammo switching
-Name is wrong, ffs. Should be "Spz. Puma" not "PUMA".
Edits: updated / fixed some spelling
With spikes it would need a whole new tier. They can be fired and track a target like the PARS3 that’s op, but they can also be fired without locking on a target and either be manually guided by the onboard camera or be locked on someone. Just imagine what you could do. Sitting back on a cap point and spamming missiles that can automatically follow targets.
Btw, the Thermal is right, Gen 3 it's already in the game, Spookston was just wrong with his guess
@@exo068 I know, that was the reason why i said BR 12.0+ where it wouldn't face any of the current tanks.
The black night would probably be fine due to aps (Puma would only have two missiles, no reloads i think?), but everything else is fucked.
@@13deadghosts I guess it has more then 2. The missiles wouldn’t be a real problem even if they are implemented like in real life like you said. Most nations already have a tank with APS or at least a demonstrator. They will probably add more tanks with APS first and then go with missiles like the spike.
As a frequent poster in the Puma thread it really should be 10.7 or up if it gets its full armor, AHEAD functionality, and a dumbed down version of MULL
knocking out the gunner on the ah 1g makes it so they cant use the turret
which usually houses twin 7.62mm miniguns or 40mm grenade launcher
deadly if it is the 40mm
Yeap! But they can still fire the rockets which normally is the main source of damage. But th 40mm also does quite some dmg sometimes so no gunner helps a little.
@@smippycis6285 Most of my kills are with the M129s lol, people seem to have trouble compensating for a hueycobra pounding their turret roof with HEDP
@@Solathoan Haha it do be like that most of them time especially when people aren't trying to shoot you down. I always lose my gunner early to the op dshk's so i rarely get to use my m129. :(
now sitting at 10.0... damn
Really liking the live content. you sound a lot more lively and it really makes the video more enjoyable to watch. Not that I didn't already enjoy your content, but that this new style is a really nice change.
And some people unironically wanted it to be added with Spikes
None of those people wanted to see Puma at 8.3 my butthurt friend.
All they asked is accurate Puma with atgm system at 10.0 at least because thats where this ifv belongs.
So go on and blame Gaijin for that.
@@spaa2927 fr I’d be fine with it being 10.0 and higher if it got any of the missiles it got irl(I think spikes and another variant has tows?) but yeah it should move up to 9.0 as it is rn, bmp2m should go to 10.3 tho
@@aeri1148 İ agree.
None of these ifvs should stay at 8.0-9.0 br gap especially these 2.
@@aeri1148 no tows sadly I've checked, but Gaijin also has the ability to dumb down SPIKE into a manual guided missile for multiple other countries who use it
@@spaa2927 yeah but istg those Chinese cars at 8.3 make me more angry lol
It's like Germany materialized all the frustration to face BMP pt76 57 and all the light tank cancer without anything to counter them, thing is, this frustration was too strong and now it's a massacre
We manifested our inner Reichtangle xD
and now the other mayor nations are suffering "pLs NuRf PuMa"
Volkisch Ire
I really enjoyed this longer-form content! Well done! :D
Spookston, everyone really knows you for your informative videos but your gameplay videos like this with commentary are just as good
I love this style of video. We never really get to hear your real voice (normal speaking voice and reactions) so it’s really nice!
I'm loving the mix up between shorter and longer vidoes you are doing recently
7.3 to 8.7 is currently unplayable at this point with this thing running around, there's tanks from the late Korean war fighting a vehicle from 2015 with 3rd gen thermals, broken survivability and APFSDS rounds.
Its beem moved up 1.7 br up to 10.0... almost two whole tiers
It really does show how powerful the PUMA was at 8.3 that it has found its place in 10.0
It's pretty bad at 10.0
@@Vollpfosten Im still enjoying it at 10.0.
Just don’t play it like an MBT.
Flank and you’re having a good time. Obj. 292 und T-72 are a walk in the park if you get them from the side. Obj. 292 can even be killed from the front in CQB just shoot them in the drivers port. Or shoot into the breech. Had times that the spalling from the breech killed commander / gunner.
Don’t first spawn in it tho
@@eikhorn1177 everything is a walk in the park when they don't shoot back and flanking is almost impossible on most maps. (I have spaded the Vilkas so I know how to play the 30mm)
The PUMA should be at 9.7 or get spikes
@@Vollpfosten Yes, but people keep playing it like an MBT and complain they can’t face off an Abrams or T-90 frontally and honestly that way it simply shouldn’t be played. Well I think you can flank really well on most maps but I guess that’s just different interpretations of flanking.
Regarding spikes on puma, I’m sure we’ll get a another Variant like we have with the 2 Marders. Maybe PUMA VJTF, with Spikes and 7.62 Coax, maybe a bit better armor.
About the Vilkas, they are quite comparable for sure, but I don’t enjoy vilkas too much because of the hugh turn circle, it’s a wheeled vehicle afterall. Did they do smth to the spikes tho? I’ve been getting more kills consistently with them recently.
Love the new format! Keep up these casual videos plzz
I like this kinda live commentary really cool keep it up man love your work
8.3 hmmm seems right btw love the live content
This is my first time actually watching "Gameplay/commentary" of Spookston and it's weird.
Very enjoyable though
Loving this new format spookston!! Please keep it up!
Love the raw gameplay, keep up the content, always great stuff
I think the PUMA has the best sounding autocannon by far
Let me show u the swedish suppremacy of CV9040
I feel like they should just give it Tow’s or Tow-2’s and shove it up at 10.0 or 10.3 where it should realistically belong.
IRL it's actually armed with MELLS and not TOW
Loving the new video style! Keep it up!
Love the new format! Keep it up!
Would you be able to make a video on existing Japanese vehicles getting nerfed four major patches in a row?
Hopefully it goes to 9.3. It gets an autocannon, great protection against HEAT, a soft kill system, good sights, and insane survivability.
I’m at 7.7 and I see it and I use heat so it’s pretty hard to pin it
Bruh I'm facing this in my M60 and we wouls of fucked the Viet Kong to China if we had this kind of tech. But nah gotta face Future Tech Germans.
Then give it missiles, and put the Bmp-2m up to 10.0
Gaijin really looked at this thing and said yup 8.3 material
@@goldfish587 it has 2022 era armor and its going against 1950s heat fs rounds.
the fact I just got surprised by you laughing is kinda funny in itself, definitely want more of that ^^
I like this kinda content it's a bit more personal or however you would say that (it's like midnight for me rn I am too tired to properly word things)
It's pretty good to see this kinda content its really chilled and entertaining :)
Well, now its 10.0!
My very first experience with this thing was me in my bmp3 breaking its breach close quarters before firing 3 atgms and 1 and a half apds belts in to it and it survived
The fourth atgm went through the side of the roof that slopes up knocking It out
Cry about it
@@Inferi_Sententia I did
@@Inferi_Sententia wehraboo
@@prathyushareddy9404 N*****
Love the content! Great video as always
Love the live commentary :D
Great video!
6:28 real hyena moment
From my experience playing it, I feel it should go up to 8.7 mayyybe 9.0 bc yes you can still perform up that high but then you’re not as survivable since a lot more things have apfsds especially if you get up-tiered to 10
It's not about the vehicle itself being potentially gimped by going up, it's that it's an absolutely unhealthy presence for basically any vehicle below its BR. There are a ton of 8.0 tanks that just have no option against this thing in a majority of scenarios. That is horrible game design.
Besides, a lot of vehicles aren't too survivable anyways at 9.0+, why should it matter for the PUMA. How is this thing significantly different from the Strf 9040 that sits up there? Honestly, 9.0-9.3 is where this should be, 8.7 isn't far enough.
@@TheAmazingCowpig Ton of 8.0 tanks? On EU server for the last month or so 7.3 has been a permanent 8.3 uptier for pretty much Every Single Game. Now imagine dealing with this nonsense on HEAT spamming 7.0-7.3 lineup without stabilizers, rangefinders, thermals or even night vision.
@@TheAmazingCowpig Yea, cv90 is 10-15years older, worse protection but still higher br. 😖
@@PAcifisti check on french vehicles, 8.0 and 8.3, finding anything with stabilizer is a nightmare and finding a PUMA is the freaking hell xd
@@nekoezequiel Sadly I know, I'm playing the French tree at 7.7 and there's still not a stabilizer in sight.
I love these videos mate. Keep it up!
I really like this style of content, Spook. Keep it up! :)
its 9.7 now :(
"1:35" knocking out the gunner on an AH-1G should disable the 40mm Grenade Launchers or the 7.62 minigun turret, depending on what you've got. External Ordnance isnt affected.
damn that’s so relaxing to watch Ya doing a live commentary, i don’t know what but play something on live again
I would love more of this type of content from you
This feels like watching PT-76-57 gameplay on release, except I'm 99% sure it'll actually get nerfed and moved more than .3BR up.
Oh and it actually has a stock grind. Have fun with 87mm pen APDS on every 3rd shot, rest is HE.
yeah the stock grind is utter ass
People are used to spam the hell of autocannon and not count any of it. You just gotta remember than the APDS is a Red tracer, use it in a support role (like the Marder IFV) and just not fuck yourself over confidence in your armor, its really realiable, but doesnt mean that its impossible to pen.
@@lexmen1089 There is no infantry in WT as of now there for the HE is mostly useless (except for airtargets ofc) so what difference does your counting do? AP useless useless AP useless useless AP...
and yeah if the game gives you ghostshells or just no dmg hits you kinda have to use "spam" the AUTOcannon
Its 76-57 on steroids, at least that thing is easy to kill
@@Stoikor it gets APHE and faster RoF
Though it would probably be extremely cancerous, you could implement the spike like the PARS missile on the Tiger UHT, and put the Puma to at least 10.0
this has not aged well
I was a beta tester on this game before it was released. I absolutely loved it, but I haven't played in years. You've got me thinking about getting back into it...
The 1984 thing caught me off guard, made me chuckle
Love the new format you’ve been doing.
1 year later its 10.0 lol
1:18
100% agree.
Actually, it's one of the reasons I still prefer the 2PL over the 2A5.
I work for Krauss Maffei and the 2a5 and 6 all have better visuals than what is given to us in the game
@@nukaquantum7 Sekrit dokuments when comrade? KGB will happily accept them.
@@stuffzie8329 me njet Bri'ish tank Kommandant who leeks Sekret plans! Maybe next time comrade KGB :D
@@nukaquantum7 Okay comrade
On a more serious note, I wouldn't be surprised if the leos had better thermals, as gaijin is gaijin and don't do things properly.
@@stuffzie8329 Well they admitted it in various threads that it would break the meta if they would give the leopard their full capabilities like thermal 2, correct speed and protection. Also the leo2A7 also got rejected several times due to being too strong against russian and american tanks which most likely would happen. Same with gepard (which has thermals and more than just 40 rounds for ground targets) they could at least give the 2A5 and 6 thermal2 and a power Upgrade for the FlaRakRad which absolutely can accelerate at a much faster rate.. It is a fricking powerhouse it will drive through forest and on muddy roads up to 40km/h and wont be defeated by a small Hill... But gaijin just doesnt want germany to be as good as in real life. Like come on.. 3 direct Hits at the same Spot and the reactive armor of that T80 is still there..
I love your live commentary videos instead of the old kill montages
I wanna leave me comment and say that watching this was really nice. Usually you're direct and concise with your language but hearing you in a much more lax vibe was, well, relaxing.
o lol now its at 10.0
Wtf PUMA at 8.3!?
I like this format! Do more like this please
Please make more videos like these, they are fantastic
As balanced as the Bmp-2M
full uptiers against the PUMA would include the T-54, BatChat 25 t, M47 Patton, Centurion Mk3, Strv 81 and AMX 50 Foch. a PUMA designed and created 50 years later than any of these should have no place near these tanks
I agree but you have to remember this thing is supposed to be a troop carrier with out spikes its main weapon against mbt's putting it at 10.3 or 11.0 with out that it would just be useless
@@nathan4325 Swedish IFVs sit on 9.3+ withous ATGM (except BILL 2 on one of them) and people still play them. Puma would be okay at 9.0+
@@1999Almaz Don't Swedish IFVs have better guns and ammo, comparatively?
@@gaychampagnesocialist7213 Dont think so. Cant safely pen front armor, anyway. You always have to flank your enemies
@@1999Almaz yeah thats understandable, what i was hearing from you was that it should be at 10.3-11.0 because it was made in 1995
These live commentary videos are incredibly fun!
First, Love the new commentary. Even the one earlier this week. Second. I have actually not have such a. Problem with the puma when using APDS. The L7 cannon seems to not care about it. Although, I hardly use heat
8.3 to 10.0 lmao
can you make a "what if puma was realistic?" video. That would be funny as heck. XD ... you just could put it right to 10.0 considering its just a vehicle against light armourd infantry
Classic gaijin.
Keep up the good work, loving the live commentary content.
please continue videos like this
It's amazing
I've already gotten 4 nukes with the PUMA since patch day. Yeah, the PUMA is a little broken in the hands of someone who plays like an actual psychopath. Needs to be up-tiered before it kills the entirety of the 8.3 BR range.
As someone who plays france 8.3 i wish i grinded a different nation
@@georgiaoni6101 not too late, go and frimd Germany. it might take a while but it's got interesting vehicles.
the only downside is some German vehicles are worse than French counterparts on the same br, for example the amx-40 at 9.7 is better than the leopard 2k at 9.7, they both have pretty much the same speed and mobility, same 20mm and similar penetration. however the leopard 2k has no thermals while the amx-40 has thermals amd are both the same br regardless.
I do think that it makes sense for balancing to have a 35 sec reload but it doesnt make sense in the actual design because the ammo is all in one belt and doesnt need to be reloaded
I love ur voice man , its calming helps me sleep
Dude, I love this video! Spookston should make more videos where he laughs