If you look away from the top, youll see that embiid actually tried to avoid the defender with that turn around hop step, but ofc he could that elbow down about 20 centimeters and it would have been good...
@@hanj31 which doesnt make any sense as he can hit him with his hand on the ball. "F1: unnecessary contact commited by a player against the opponent F2: unnecessary and excessive contact commited by a player against the opponent" Rule doesnt state about intent just about excessivness this looks really excessive and hard blow.
@@privateaccount4460 I understand that, but you cant go through not moving defender you need to beat your guy fake him out or go around him. What Embiid did was foul, then it was unnecessary due to fact his elbow was unnaturally high(left arm parallel to the ground) and it was excessive due to a fact that dude blasted him and thank god he didnt hit him in eye socket or orbital bone he could severly damaged his eye as breaking orbital bone can leave you with teporal or permanent eye damage.
@@mpetkovic26 Listen I agree with you. He for sure swung that shit and imo it's a F2. I'm just assuming that's the logic behind saying "hand was on the ball"
He did he just lowers it so he shields the ball kinda chicken wings the defender. But this is clear swing, his elbow was down when he started turning and then he had swung as he turned.
@@thebode6684 No he didnt.....Hakeem had a finesse game, and used quickness to beat his defender....never turned while leading with an elbow for power........
@@eyesallredRockets were my team when Hakeem played, watched all their games reg and playoffs. Go look at young Akeem highlights 84-89 it was mostly power, with some finesse, when he added H to his name and became Hakeem he became more finesse.
@@thebode6684 Rockets is still my team, I live in Houston and have watched him forever, because he is my favorite player alltime...I have even went back to watch him from his rookie season.....Hakeem used "power" to establish his position in the post, because it was way more physical, but once he got the ball, he used quickness & footwork to beat his man......Guys couldnt even stay with Hakeem like that get in his space....Never did I see Hakeem lead with power-elbows on his hook, or turnarounds.......That's just not true
Shaq is wrong!!That’s why they called it a flagrant! Just because you don’t take your hand off of the wall does it mean that you don’t use your elbow as a weapon! All you Gotta do is slow it down and look at it the play!
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Shaq : I'm not going hit you.
Chuck : I know DAMN WELL YOU NOT!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shaq did that before, that is why he said it is not F2...
His left elbow was raised when he hit him while the right hand stayed down with a the ball
One elbow was tucked while the other was tapping that nigga jaw cmon man🤦🏽♂️
If you look away from the top, youll see that embiid actually tried to avoid the defender with that turn around hop step, but ofc he could that elbow down about 20 centimeters and it would have been good...
Bobo has played fantastic- Chuck 😂
Shaq was spot on. Hell, even Kenny agreed.
Both hands were on the ball the whole time
@@hanj31 which doesnt make any sense as he can hit him with his hand on the ball.
"F1: unnecessary contact commited by a player against the opponent
F2: unnecessary and excessive contact commited by a player against the opponent"
Rule doesnt state about intent just about excessivness this looks really excessive and hard blow.
@@mpetkovic26 the argument is that it's because when you have your hands on the ball your purpose is to get to the rim
@@privateaccount4460 I understand that, but you cant go through not moving defender you need to beat your guy fake him out or go around him. What Embiid did was foul, then it was unnecessary due to fact his elbow was unnaturally high(left arm parallel to the ground) and it was excessive due to a fact that dude blasted him and thank god he didnt hit him in eye socket or orbital bone he could severly damaged his eye as breaking orbital bone can leave you with teporal or permanent eye damage.
@@mpetkovic26 Listen I agree with you. He for sure swung that shit and imo it's a F2. I'm just assuming that's the logic behind saying "hand was on the ball"
The other elbow was lower, which to me, means the hit was intentional. He only kept his hand on the ball to try to get away with.
flagrant 2. he meant to hit him
No he didn't
hakeem never turned with his elbows pointed strait out
He did he just lowers it so he shields the ball kinda chicken wings the defender. But this is clear swing, his elbow was down when he started turning and then he had swung as he turned.
Yes he did, the difference was he didn't knock ppl out , deke, mailman chuck had elbows out to let the guys know, u get close, am I knock u out.
@@thebode6684 No he didnt.....Hakeem had a finesse game, and used quickness to beat his defender....never turned while leading with an elbow for power........
@@eyesallredRockets were my team when Hakeem played, watched all their games reg and playoffs. Go look at young Akeem highlights 84-89 it was mostly power, with some finesse, when he added H to his name and became Hakeem he became more finesse.
@@thebode6684 Rockets is still my team, I live in Houston and have watched him forever, because he is my favorite player alltime...I have even went back to watch him from his rookie season.....Hakeem used "power" to establish his position in the post, because it was way more physical, but once he got the ball, he used quickness & footwork to beat his man......Guys couldnt even stay with Hakeem like that get in his space....Never did I see Hakeem lead with power-elbows on his hook, or turnarounds.......That's just not true
Turn with force
Naw it’s either a foul and shouldn’t have been done or not. Shaq saying it should be a F1 is admitting it’s not a legal move 😂😂
Shaq is wrong!!That’s why they called it a flagrant! Just because you don’t take your hand off of the wall does it mean that you don’t use your elbow as a weapon! All you Gotta do is slow it down and look at it the play!
He said it's a flagrant 1 not a flagrant 2. LISTEN
He said flagrant 1
@@otn9225 it's a 2
Shaq was right
YOU RANG?!?!?!
Please go watch Open Court:Throwing The Elbows Shaq is right on this
Shaq is correct, Joel is trying to turn not his fault the guys face is in the way
I’m with Shaq and Kenny on this one. League is way too soft nowadays
BOBO????
Chuck was wrong
Shaq one elbow is up the other not. WTF . ONly a kitty does this. He may be strong but its as weak as it comes.