Great drive. As a corner marshal it is always fun to watch SRF races up close. Good thing we never see any of the love taps because we would be doing paperwork for hours if we did.
Always a good reference video when preparing for Road America. So much to be gleaned from this video - thanks again for sharing Denny!!! (PS - studying it on the road in Auckland NZ - back to the addiction at the June Sprints and Watkins Glen)
Wow! Great video and loved the commentary. Thanks for giving me a different view of the start. I work in T+S (I also was part of the parking staff) and we were even more confused about the start than you were!!!
That was great!! Never seen this before. Wisconsin native, been to RA six or seven times. Loved everything you did in editing, heck I had know idea how it would end. Thanks for the ride along. Except for the start debacle, it was just clean hard racing. God Speed!!
Exceptional race, was more entertaining than watching the cup race at Dover. You really are an amazing driver, one more lap and you would have taken the checkered!
Great vids. I found you after practicing with the Spec Fords in Iracing. I wanted to see these run in real life. I now want to drive the real thing. Thx.
You had a couple close ones on that really fast corner on the back of the track! those little slides at 95 probably do a lot to get the blood boiling!! haha. Another great video man!
Hey Chad, thanks for the comment! Check out www.specracer.com for lots of info. You can rent a car (multiple shops around the country have rentals), own and "arrive and drive", or own and maintain/tow your own car to the track. I do the latter.
dale dibu Hey Dale, you're absolutely right. I was still fired up from the messed up start and I wanted him to work with me rather than fight me for position. He had a great run and had every right to pass me. Once I settled down and got my head right, you can see that I quickly went from making little to no progress to charging through the field. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I enjoyed riding along, thanks... On the corner that you did most of your passing (and got passed a bit on too), all the passing seemed to occur on the inside line, are you not allowed to move over into that line and do a little blocking and push them to the outside to pass? I am not an experienced race car driver, so the question / answer may embarrass me some in the end, so be kind please... Again, enjoyed the couple ride alongs with you very much...
Nice bit of driving. I raced back in the 80's at Road American with go karts, we turned lap times of 2 min 51 sec. I curious what kind of lap times did you guys turn and did the Times improve once you reached the lead pack? Also were can I go to research the class of racing. Thanks for posting the video.
Hey John, thanks for the comments. Pole for our class at Road America is usually in the high 2:30's, track record is a 2.37 and change I believe. A draft is critical but a pack of cars runs slower than a pair tightly coupled due to the long braking zones at RA. www.specracer.com has a ton of info on the class, I post there as Racer X. We have a new engine package coming out in 2015 that may well be 4-6 seconds per lap quicker at Road America.
The officials didn't really have it together for the start of the race. I would think they would have to start again after that fiasco. How far around was that track?
Can you mirror the rear view camera in the video editor? It's very confusing to not see a mirror image from behind. Should be quite easy to do in post production. Usually just a menu option for that videos timeline.
Because then it would actually emulate a rear view mirror. At the moment it's confusing to see a car coming up on his left from the rear view, and then appear on his right when it overtakes. In driving, you'd see the car approach in the mirror on the right and then overtake on the right. Everything makes more sense that way and is far more natural for anyone who actually knows how to drive.
Lufferov I mirrored 15:39 for you, f.cl.ly/items/1T3s0P0q310J0u3J0m3O/mirror.png if you have ever driven a car with mirrors that make it look like you are turning right when you actually are turning left then i would suggest that you stop taking LSD or any other drugs before driving.
Jesper Andersson Errr... just one question... what exactly do you think a rear view mirror does in a car? I'll give you a clue.. it's called a mirror for a reason. The screen shot you've made looks fine to me, what makes it look like he's turning right?
Love the vids and racing man. Just curious as to why you do the "love tap"? Seems like you just loose the momentum you've gained from the slipstream. Is it worth it purely for intimidation purposes?
MEisLOLtoday it really helps himself and the car in front of him if they are both attempting to pass down a straight. There are many instances in this video that he and the person in front of him, pass a third car in front of them.
+BollocksUtwat Yep, sorry somehow I missed this one! It's bump drafting, I just called it a 'love tap'. I am essentially passing my momentum (gained from a better exit or slipstreaming) to the car in front of me, allowing both of us to go faster and catch the car ahead (or pull away from the car behind). Thanks for watching and posting!
are the spec racers as fun irl to drive as they are on iracing? On there they have a small window with lift throttle oversteer but when u find it, they can be really rewarding. btw, seen a cpl of your vids, seems like you have a fairly smooth style given the wheel to wheel nature of these races.
+Leeskie Ferrell Hey Leeskie, thanks for the comments. Yes, they are more fun irl than in simulation I can promise you. Just the sensory perception of yaw, pitch, etc. makes all the difference. Add in your other senses and the adrenaline of a close race and it's arguably the most fun you can have, period. ;) (this is a family channel). Regarding trailing throttle oversteer, they react that way irl as well but tires and set up make a huge difference. We've changed from bias ply Goodyears to radial Hoosiers this year so the edge is sharper and you lose more time when you slide the car. As such, the racing will be at least as good but the videos might not show as much wheel input. We'll see...Thanks for watching and posting!
How (in general) is best to deal with this oversteer under braking? It seems extremely difficult to get a firm grasp on. I found that if I start braking AS I'm gradually coming off of the throttle, I can get a somewhat more reliable turn in without the back being so eager to switch places with the front. .. It's this just sort of an anomaly or is this similar to how the real thing is done? I'm kinda doubting it cuz the idea of being on the brake and throttle at the same time seems almost blasphemous lol. It just seems to be the only reliable way I've found so far to force more desired understeer. Granted I've probably done less than 100 laps in it but it's a real handful. Thanks for the answer btw.
JApple157 We run sealed, spec 1.9L 4-cyl engines. Starting next year we're migrating to a new engine package. It'll be a 1.6L 4 but with 20 more HP and weighing ~100 pounds less. At Road America, in a draft, we hit around 125 on the longer straights. That will go up by I suspect 10+ MPH with the new motor package. Thanks for posting!
Nice save after Scott bumped you off in T-5. Also, what happened to Brian? He was on your tail (I think) until after you skipped some laps and then he wasn't there anymore.
Brian was taken out in the first lap mess. The car you're referring to was Derek, his brother. The cars have the same paint scheme but Brian's is navy and Derek's is black I believe. Check out my vid of the last lap of the Sunday race (the next day) Racing action - 2013 June Sprints Bonus race, last lap, SRF and Brian is a featured player. :)
I don't understand racers who qualify at a high spot, and when thing don't go their way expect everybody to get out of their way let them back in front. Life's tough.
Hi is it me or it seems like your car is just a little faster than some other cars. It looks like at 6:25 coming out of last turn the car in front got a better exit than you but you end up catching him later in the straight. Not sure if it's drafting or something else
Hi Jonathan, good question. It is indeed the draft that you're seeing in this instance (and many others in this video). The draft really begins to kick in around 100MPH which is about exactly where you see it in the example you noted. Once we hit 5th gear (100-105MPH) the draft becomes a significant factor and closing rates become very noticeable. Thanks for watching and posting!
wes tipton we did and we got it. :) Check out my newer SRF3 videos. 25 more HP and 100 pounds less. Add in different tires and we are now around 8 seconds a lap quicker at Road America I believe. I just raced there last week in another epic battle and hope to post that soon. Thanks for watching and posting!
Congrats on P3 from P13 but I definitely want to take a look at the rule book for your league. Those guys passing everyone before the leader has even started the race is a load of crap. They should have at least lined everyone back up and did another restart.
Why are you so much faster then the others? I have my own thoughts on that, "you are just a really much better driver then the others." Will you race in other Series?
Thanks :). The front guys in this class can run anywhere and be very competitive. Racing in other series is all about $$... would love to, just need some big sponsors!
Great race but why did you keep waving your hands when the guy in P13-12 was passing you? Just your frustration? Didnt seem that he did something wrong
Hi Roman, thanks for watching. Yes, you are exactly correct. The driver of the silver car was just racing me hard and did nothing wrong whatsoever! I was driving a bit angry and frustrated after the first lap mess. I've actually used this video for instructional purposes as it clearly shows how much more effective a driver can be once they settle down and dispense with "the red mist".
Were the three knuckleheads who jumped the start (passing before the Green Flag and start/finish line) DQ'd? Did anyone pay a visit to the officials and lodge a verbal protest on a completely botched start (should have sent the field around on another pace lap)? Common problem with spec cars on a fast circuit... A line of cars running the draft are going to freight-train a single car. Excellent drive, but greater skill can't overcome the drafting horde sometimes.
Corey Jordan Hey Corey, short answer to your questions are no and no. :) Agreed, the draft is a huge part of the Road America experience. Thanks for watching and posting!
When you keep intentionally "love tapping" the guy in front, is that a legal thing to do? Do the stewards tell you to stop doing that, or is it considered acceptable part of racing? It seems like it could be potentially dangerous if you happen to upset the rear of the car in front just as you're going over some bumps or something. A guy in iRacing kept doing it to me and I got quite annoyed, but judging by this video it seems to be common practice.
Love Tapping helps both of the drivers to get faster on the straights and keep pushing. It seems like a regular thing to do in this series, because they did like it.
Chris G Yep, it's "bump drafting". Both cars go faster. You'll see it in Nascar all the time, but never in open wheel classes (other than FVee) because they have no safe contact patches between the cars.
Phantom9192 Happened to me twice in street stock oval racing yesterday, guy behind me keeps tapping my bumper during the corner till it inevitably spun me out. iRacing called it a racing incident, guess I will just have to do the same to others from now on. Monkey see monkey do.
sonic_blue Drafting doesn't happen in "corners" (wherein I'm referring to a braking/turning event). It only happens while turning on tracks with large enough corner radii that the cars stay at wide open throttle (think Talladega). If you are getting bumped going into a corner like you're describing that's not at all drafting, but is "avoidable contact" and is usually frowned upon if not against the sanctioning body rules.
Great drive! However, you do seem to have a slight attitude problem. I hope the 'Jeez - stop passing me' after the lap one fracas was a joke, right? And did you seriously expect to go three wide into a sharp corner on the outside, and NOT get bumped off? It would have taken superhuman abilities on the part of the other drivers to avoid contact. Otherwise, keep up the good work.
Hey Richard, thanks for the question. First off, yes the "jeez..." comment was completely a joke. :) Secondly, you'll notice that I chose to go three wide into the braking zone, not the corner. They are very different scenarios. I agree with you, I would never go three wide into a corner, especially as the outside car. That's a losing proposition every time. I had the middle car cleared as we neared the end of the braking zone but he slipped out and caught my tail, putting me off. Hindsight being 20/20, I would have been better off laying back to see what would transpire between the other cars. Live and learn.:) Thanks for posting!
Denny: I don't understand your idea that going into the braking zone three wide is a 'completely different scenario' than going into the corner. Did you really hope to out-brake them and go into the turn by yourself? I'm not saying you shouldn't have tried it - it was the logical thing to do, under the circumstances. It's too bad that you weren't on the inside - then it would have worked. What bothers me is that by using the word 'chicanery' you are implying that they did something wrong. Somebody got inside of me going into turn nine at Riverside (in 1985), and unfortunately, I didn't notice him. We tapped, I spun, wrecking my car on the wall. When he first came over to see how I felt about it, I said "No problem, that's racing, etc." But he kept after me so much that I finally told him that I didn't think it was a very good idea for him to try to pass me there, because he could have easily passed me coming out of the turn. That was what he wanted to hear, so he didn't have be apologetic anymore. He got me so upset I went one the officials to complain about it, and they said "Go away, little boy - that's racing." The difference is that thanks to RUclips, you could post your video of your great drive and your complaint of 'chicanery' immediately, while it's taken me 30 years to publicly confess my error.
Richard Maheu Hey Richard, that is a great story. I've heard some great things about Riverside (my dad used to watch Mark Donohue there I believe). To your point, I had no illusions of leaving that braking zone in the lead. I was hoping to come out in second, pushing the previous leader back to third. At Road America, there is one more big drafting zone going down into Canada and I felt that I needed to be in 2nd place coming out of the carousel, which really meant that optimally I needed to be in 2nd coming out of T5 which is where the incident occurred. My comment of chicanery was meant as a racing pun rather than poor driving or intention on either of the other guys' parts. It was purely a racing incident. I made an aggressive move but made it successfully (past the white car) and was in a position to gauge the situation and back out to third if need be (for instance, contact between the other cars) by going wide on the exit, but the bump happened while I was loaded up and that got me squirrelly and put me off. Sure I was chapped at the time, but I knew I had put myself in a position where that could happen. The very aggressive move was actually by the second place car who went to the grass on the left as the leader drove a defensive line (go back and watch just before I pull out of the draft). That exact move won the national championship a couple of years ago at Road America in our class (I'd link the vid but don't have it handy). The leader's defensive line opened up the outside line to me and I chose to take it as I had a head of steam and I knew he'd have to brake early for the guy inside of him. In hindsight, it didn't work out like I had it drawn up on my mental whiteboard. :) Thanks again! BTW, it sounds like the guy who got into you at Riverside was a bit of a punk.
What is wrong with this driver? Hands up everytime? Don't rage if someone's pass you. Just defend properly. EVERYTIME he let himself passed out of a corner (e.g. 6:10) because he left room. His own fault. More defending, less rage hand.
You're correct, to a point. I was driving with the dreaded "red mist" after the first lap disaster. I was wanting the silver car to work with me so we could move up through the pack (I was clearly quicker) but he wasn't doing so, so I was frustrated. In reality I had no reason to be as he was doing absolutely nothing wrong and was just racing me for position. I was still just rung up over the first lap mess. Once I got settled in and got my head right, it's pretty clear how quickly I moved through the pack and into the lead. I use this video to instruct sometimes specifically around how much *less* effective I was at the beginning when I was driving frustrated. I'm guessing you didn't watch the entire video to see when I finally calmed down (shortly after I got by the silver car). :)
BoxorRoxor Hey Boxor, you're right in a way... I was suffering from the dreaded red mist and it took me a while to get over it. This is actually a great case study in how much faster you can be once you settle back into 'the zone'. When I was irked that the silver car wouldn't work with me and kept fighting me (totally his right), I wasn't making much progress. Finally I settled down and quickly moved to the front of the pack. Thanks for watching and posting!
Dude, every time you screw up and make a bad move you raise your hand like someone screwed you. You're a horrible race driver, just be a gentlemen and accept that you make mistakes. I see major faults in your race driving, DBAP.
Hey Drew, I'm guessing you didn't read other comments/explanations or watch the end of the video and that's completely expected. In short, you're right and your point is really the big takeaway from this video for young drivers. I was very upset after the start and drove with the 'red mist' for several laps. During that time I was wildly ineffective and struggled to advance out of 13th spot. I made aggressive, ill-timed passes, and was subsequently annoyed when other drivers re-passed me rather than working with me (including the silly gesticulations you mentioned). Once I settled down and got back in the zone though it's a different race. I very quickly moved to the front of the field and led the most laps of the race. The end didn't work out optimally but it's really a tale of two races: 1) driving angry after the start and being very ineffective and then 2) settling down into the zone and moving through the field very quickly to the lead of the race. I hope others who watch see the change in mindset and the resulting improvement and learn from it. Thanks for watching and posting!
@@Racer_XWell you made a tear at it anyway, 3rd place is super respectable considering the botched start. Do you know where the guy starting first finished?
the most of them have no skills😂 good driving but your overtakes are not so good but great vid.. sry for my bad english im from germany😂 you should start in another class, in my opion, this class is just a way to waste money greets from germany go on dude
Had me laughing you definitely were the best car just ba d circumstances. Frustrating when that happens. Oh the struggles if being a gentlemen racer aye?
Why do you throw your hands up every time someone passes you? Are you too entitled to have someone drive around you? Man..its a race, fastest man gets the spot.
To your point, I've actually used this video in driving instruction as a great example of the "red mist". I rarely get in that mindset, but I was in it after that botched start for sure. As a result, I drove more emotionally than clinically for the first part of the race and the result is clear: passes that were executed but were eventually unsuccessful with subsequent unwarranted frustration on my part. Once I settled down a few laps in I was able to march to the front of the field in short order (I'm guessing you didn't watch the whole video :) ). So it's not so much "not being very smart" but more like "driving angry" and you're right, it's not the optimal way around the track.
Dont like that bumping crap, you work your ass off to get a second on the field, and they swallow you back on the strait !!! No skill in this at all ..... racing isn't about bumping !
Why do you throw your hands up every time someone passes you? Are you too entitled to have someone drive around you? Man..its a race, fastest man gets the spot.
Good observation and you're spot on. I was driving angry from the first lap mess, or with the "red mist" as we often call it. This is a great instructional video on how much more effective a driver is once he gets past that. As you probably noticed, I was frustrated for a few laps that the silver car wasn't working with me to move up in the field but was battling for position, which is completely his right. Me throwing my hands up in frustration didn't gain me anything and was unwarranted. Once I settled down and just focused on my driving, I quickly moved to the front of the pack.
Wow what a recovery! Proper gutsy racing. slipping, sliding, bumping, grinding! Enjoyed this immensely.
I don't watch too many racing videos all the way through.. I watched every minute of this one. That slide in the kink made my hands sweat. Nice drive!
Kevin ... Not only are you a spectacular driver, you have a unique sense of humor and a real video production talent. Bud Miller
Milo Miller Thanks Bud... it's Denny. ;) Appreciate the comment!
Great drive. As a corner marshal it is always fun to watch SRF races up close. Good thing we never see any of the love taps because we would be doing paperwork for hours if we did.
That was a lot of fun to watch. And very educational indeed. Stay calm...and things go better! Nice work!
Always a good reference video when preparing for Road America. So much to be gleaned from this video - thanks again for sharing Denny!!! (PS - studying it on the road in Auckland NZ - back to the addiction at the June Sprints and Watkins Glen)
Wow! Great video and loved the commentary. Thanks for giving me a different view of the start. I work in T+S (I also was part of the parking staff) and we were even more confused about the start than you were!!!
3:16 Loss of control 2x
3:18 Car Contact 2x~4x
iRacing humor, love it!
Hahaha, each time I watch real racing I do the incident accounting.
Yep. I can barely drive the iRacing Version, but, I'm going to give it a go next season.
That was great!! Never seen this before. Wisconsin native, been to RA six or seven times. Loved everything you did in editing, heck I had know idea how it would end. Thanks for the ride along. Except for the start debacle, it was just clean hard racing. God Speed!!
When I was racing Sports Renault--as it was in the beginning--we called T1 "The Fiberglass Mixmaster." Seems not much has changed in 30 years!
Exceptional race, was more entertaining than watching the cup race at Dover. You really are an amazing driver, one more lap and you would have taken the checkered!
I very much enjoyed the ride, the train and even the thought bubbles!
That was the freaking race of a lifetime -- way to go!
Nice driving, 'love tap'. Enjoyed it!!
What a race! Great driving, too! Subscribed.
Awesome video. Bummer about the start, what a cluster****. Your videos are some of the best SCCA vids out there. You had me at womp rats.
Very nice race and very exiting for me to watch! Thanks much for the upload :)) Keep on with going fast!
The thought bubbles are awesome!
Good comeback. I can't believe they let that start stand
I have to say...at 15:07 when you pulled back behind P3 right at the braking zone...my heart skipped a beat!
Great vids. I found you after practicing with the Spec Fords in Iracing. I wanted to see these run in real life. I now want to drive the real thing. Thx.
You had a couple close ones on that really fast corner on the back of the track! those little slides at 95 probably do a lot to get the blood boiling!! haha. Another great video man!
Really excellent video with very entertaining comments :) Thanks for a great race and a big smile as a bonus ;o) Excellent job!
great race, you deserved that one. pleasure to watch, thanks for sharing
That’s such exciting racing
crazy start but great drive through to the end
i believe a bit more than WTH was said under the helmet
Outstanding!
Anthony
that final lap was awesome
Awesome video, hope you get some big sponsors!
Looks cool, great driving!!
Awesome racing action.
Fantastic stuff. Lots of back end happy passing and corner. How would one, say, find themselves in one of these cars for a race?
Hey Chad, thanks for the comment! Check out www.specracer.com for lots of info. You can rent a car (multiple shops around the country have rentals), own and "arrive and drive", or own and maintain/tow your own car to the track. I do the latter.
Great drive. Looks Like fun.
Very impressive. nice driving man. :))
Nice video, Denny!
What happened to the guys who passed under the yellow at the start ?
Nice drive by the way and great move to finally get the 10th spot.
You are very animated in the car but no doubt you are a good driver. Great recovery in this race, 2nd should of been yours :-)
nice driving...good luck!
6:15 lol why were u complaining, ur faster but he got u there...
dale dibu Hey Dale, you're absolutely right. I was still fired up from the messed up start and I wanted him to work with me rather than fight me for position. He had a great run and had every right to pass me. Once I settled down and got my head right, you can see that I quickly went from making little to no progress to charging through the field. Thanks for watching and commenting!
u did great racing though
Love taps are most effective going into the corner. Keep pushing them till they run wide, you can fight it out in the pits later. LOL
Hell of a race!
Subscribed just because of this video.
Great racecraft man. A shame you didn't win ;)
PS funny comments
Great drive, well done.
I enjoyed riding along, thanks... On the corner that you did most of your passing (and got passed a bit on too), all the passing seemed to occur on the inside line, are you not allowed to move over into that line and do a little blocking and push them to the outside to pass? I am not an experienced race car driver, so the question / answer may embarrass me some in the end, so be kind please... Again, enjoyed the couple ride alongs with you very much...
Nice bit of driving. I raced back in the 80's at Road American with go karts, we turned lap times of 2 min 51 sec. I curious what kind of lap times did you guys turn and did the Times improve once you reached the lead pack? Also were can I go to research the class of racing. Thanks for posting the video.
Hey John, thanks for the comments. Pole for our class at Road America is usually in the high 2:30's, track record is a 2.37 and change I believe. A draft is critical but a pack of cars runs slower than a pair tightly coupled due to the long braking zones at RA. www.specracer.com has a ton of info on the class, I post there as Racer X. We have a new engine package coming out in 2015 that may well be 4-6 seconds per lap quicker at Road America.
The officials didn't really have it together for the start of the race. I would think they would have to start again after that fiasco. How far around was that track?
Skydiver 4 miles. It was a cluster. Very unfortunate.
very very very interesting race thank for share bro!!!
Nice job!
Can you mirror the rear view camera in the video editor? It's very confusing to not see a mirror image from behind. Should be quite easy to do in post production. Usually just a menu option for that videos timeline.
Why would he mirror it? Then it would look like he was turning right when actually turning left and vice versa, that would be really confusing.
Because then it would actually emulate a rear view mirror. At the moment it's confusing to see a car coming up on his left from the rear view, and then appear on his right when it overtakes. In driving, you'd see the car approach in the mirror on the right and then overtake on the right. Everything makes more sense that way and is far more natural for anyone who actually knows how to drive.
Lufferov I mirrored 15:39 for you, f.cl.ly/items/1T3s0P0q310J0u3J0m3O/mirror.png if you have ever driven a car with mirrors that make it look like you are turning right when you actually are turning left then i would suggest that you stop taking LSD or any other drugs before driving.
Jesper Andersson Errr... just one question... what exactly do you think a rear view mirror does in a car? I'll give you a clue.. it's called a mirror for a reason.
The screen shot you've made looks fine to me, what makes it look like he's turning right?
Jesper Andersson
Jesper I'll be polite here...
YOU'RE DUMB AF
Good clean hard racing...🙂
Love the vids and racing man. Just curious as to why you do the "love tap"? Seems like you just loose the momentum you've gained from the slipstream. Is it worth it purely for intimidation purposes?
I would like to know as well!
MEisLOLtoday it really helps himself and the car in front of him if they are both attempting to pass down a straight. There are many instances in this video that he and the person in front of him, pass a third car in front of them.
+Morgan McDonald The reason the love tap works is the same reason that the 5-6 car train can't be escaped by a faster lone driver out front.
+BollocksUtwat Yep, sorry somehow I missed this one! It's bump drafting, I just called it a 'love tap'. I am essentially passing my momentum (gained from a better exit or slipstreaming) to the car in front of me, allowing both of us to go faster and catch the car ahead (or pull away from the car behind). Thanks for watching and posting!
Very nice job.
This version of iRacing look good.. where can I download?
At a race track near you! :)
@@Racer_X LMAO, we all wish iracing looked this good... I dont care if you have a super computer, its doesnt compare. Almost life like.
Nice battle. Funny comments.
are the spec racers as fun irl to drive as they are on iracing? On there they have a small window with lift throttle oversteer but when u find it, they can be really rewarding.
btw, seen a cpl of your vids, seems like you have a fairly smooth style given the wheel to wheel nature of these races.
+Leeskie Ferrell Hey Leeskie, thanks for the comments. Yes, they are more fun irl than in simulation I can promise you. Just the sensory perception of yaw, pitch, etc. makes all the difference. Add in your other senses and the adrenaline of a close race and it's arguably the most fun you can have, period. ;) (this is a family channel). Regarding trailing throttle oversteer, they react that way irl as well but tires and set up make a huge difference. We've changed from bias ply Goodyears to radial Hoosiers this year so the edge is sharper and you lose more time when you slide the car. As such, the racing will be at least as good but the videos might not show as much wheel input. We'll see...Thanks for watching and posting!
How (in general) is best to deal with this oversteer under braking?
It seems extremely difficult to get a firm grasp on. I found that if I start braking AS I'm gradually coming off of the throttle, I can get a somewhat more reliable turn in without the back being so eager to switch places with the front. ..
It's this just sort of an anomaly or is this similar to how the real thing is done?
I'm kinda doubting it cuz the idea of being on the brake and throttle at the same time seems almost blasphemous lol. It just seems to be the only reliable way I've found so far to force more desired understeer.
Granted I've probably done less than 100 laps in it but it's a real handful.
Thanks for the answer btw.
What was with all of the tapping people on the straights? Seems kind of "unkosher" of you. You have some driving skills for sure tho, nice race.
Bump drafting :).
What engine do these things have in them? and how fast do u get on those straights?
JApple157 We run sealed, spec 1.9L 4-cyl engines. Starting next year we're migrating to a new engine package. It'll be a 1.6L 4 but with 20 more HP and weighing ~100 pounds less. At Road America, in a draft, we hit around 125 on the longer straights. That will go up by I suspect 10+ MPH with the new motor package. Thanks for posting!
Thats cool man they look like alot of fun. Thanks for posting the video its entertaining watching u race! Good driving
Nice save after Scott bumped you off in T-5. Also, what happened to Brian? He was on your tail (I think) until after you skipped some laps and then he wasn't there anymore.
Brian was taken out in the first lap mess. The car you're referring to was Derek, his brother. The cars have the same paint scheme but Brian's is navy and Derek's is black I believe. Check out my vid of the last lap of the Sunday race (the next day) Racing action - 2013 June Sprints Bonus race, last lap, SRF and Brian is a featured player. :)
I don't understand racers who qualify at a high spot, and when thing don't go their way expect everybody to get out of their way let them back in front. Life's tough.
are you going to the scca runoffs this weekend
Hi is it me or it seems like your car is just a little faster than some other cars. It looks like at 6:25 coming out of last turn the car in front got a better exit than you but you end up catching him later in the straight. Not sure if it's drafting or something else
Hi Jonathan, good question. It is indeed the draft that you're seeing in this instance (and many others in this video). The draft really begins to kick in around 100MPH which is about exactly where you see it in the example you noted. Once we hit 5th gear (100-105MPH) the draft becomes a significant factor and closing rates become very noticeable. Thanks for watching and posting!
Phantom9192 Thank you sir!
best driver!!!
What kind of camera are you using?
GoPro Hero 2 front-facing, GoPro hero (older) rear facing. I think I'm using the audio from the rear-facing camera if I recall.
You deserve it ... Keep it up. Bud
Great competition, but you guys need to lobby for more HP.
wes tipton we did and we got it. :) Check out my newer SRF3 videos. 25 more HP and 100 pounds less. Add in different tires and we are now around 8 seconds a lap quicker at Road America I believe. I just raced there last week in another epic battle and hope to post that soon. Thanks for watching and posting!
8 seconds puts you right where I was in my CF at the 40th anniversary gig back in 2009 RA. Good news for you guys for sure!
wes tipton pole this past weekend was 2:31.7.
Congrats on P3 from P13 but I definitely want to take a look at the rule book for your league. Those guys passing everyone before the leader has even started the race is a load of crap. They should have at least lined everyone back up and did another restart.
Why are you so much faster then the others? I have my own thoughts on that, "you are just a really much better driver then the others." Will you race in other Series?
Thanks :). The front guys in this class can run anywhere and be very competitive. Racing in other series is all about $$... would love to, just need some big sponsors!
Great race but why did you keep waving your hands when the guy in P13-12 was passing you? Just your frustration? Didnt seem that he did something wrong
Hi Roman, thanks for watching. Yes, you are exactly correct. The driver of the silver car was just racing me hard and did nothing wrong whatsoever! I was driving a bit angry and frustrated after the first lap mess. I've actually used this video for instructional purposes as it clearly shows how much more effective a driver can be once they settle down and dispense with "the red mist".
Phantom9192 I see. Well once again, great driving, like many others I envy you too much. Keep the vids coming. :)
what are the specs of these cars?
Nice race!
Look up Spec Racer Ford, SCCA. These cars are pretty bulletproof and the racing is known for its NASCAR-esque bumping and rubbing.
love tab
That number 2 car needs some spacial awareness
Lets just go three wide into a narrow turn coz why the hell not haha
Were the three knuckleheads who jumped the start (passing before the Green Flag and start/finish line) DQ'd? Did anyone pay a visit to the officials and lodge a verbal protest on a completely botched start (should have sent the field around on another pace lap)? Common problem with spec cars on a fast circuit... A line of cars running the draft are going to freight-train a single car. Excellent drive, but greater skill can't overcome the drafting horde sometimes.
Corey Jordan Hey Corey, short answer to your questions are no and no. :) Agreed, the draft is a huge part of the Road America experience. Thanks for watching and posting!
guaaooo very good race......
why is there no yellow flag when trucks are on the track?
Didn't anyone get penalised like the guys at the start of the race with the double yellow?
No, it was a mess... water under the bridge now, but it made for some entertaining video.
When you keep intentionally "love tapping" the guy in front, is that a legal thing to do? Do the stewards tell you to stop doing that, or is it considered acceptable part of racing?
It seems like it could be potentially dangerous if you happen to upset the rear of the car in front just as you're going over some bumps or something.
A guy in iRacing kept doing it to me and I got quite annoyed, but judging by this video it seems to be common practice.
Love Tapping helps both of the drivers to get faster on the straights and keep pushing. It seems like a regular thing to do in this series, because they did like it.
Chris G Yep, it's "bump drafting". Both cars go faster. You'll see it in Nascar all the time, but never in open wheel classes (other than FVee) because they have no safe contact patches between the cars.
Phantom9192 Happened to me twice in street stock oval racing yesterday, guy behind me keeps tapping my bumper during the corner till it inevitably spun me out. iRacing called it a racing incident, guess I will just have to do the same to others from now on. Monkey see monkey do.
sonic_blue Drafting doesn't happen in "corners" (wherein I'm referring to a braking/turning event). It only happens while turning on tracks with large enough corner radii that the cars stay at wide open throttle (think Talladega). If you are getting bumped going into a corner like you're describing that's not at all drafting, but is "avoidable contact" and is usually frowned upon if not against the sanctioning body rules.
Great drive! However, you do seem to have a slight attitude problem. I hope the 'Jeez - stop passing me' after the lap one fracas was a joke, right? And did you seriously expect to go three wide into a sharp corner on the outside, and NOT get bumped off? It would have taken superhuman abilities on the part of the other drivers to avoid contact. Otherwise, keep up the good work.
He explains in another comment what that was about. He gave a perfect explanation.
He was seeing red after the joke of a start, happens to all of us at some point.
Hey Richard, thanks for the question. First off, yes the "jeez..." comment was completely a joke. :) Secondly, you'll notice that I chose to go three wide into the braking zone, not the corner. They are very different scenarios. I agree with you, I would never go three wide into a corner, especially as the outside car. That's a losing proposition every time. I had the middle car cleared as we neared the end of the braking zone but he slipped out and caught my tail, putting me off. Hindsight being 20/20, I would have been better off laying back to see what would transpire between the other cars. Live and learn.:) Thanks for posting!
Denny: I don't understand your idea that going into the braking zone three wide is a 'completely different scenario' than going into the corner. Did you really hope to out-brake them and go into the turn by yourself? I'm not saying you shouldn't have tried it - it was the logical thing to do, under the circumstances. It's too bad that you weren't on the inside - then it would have worked. What bothers me is that by using the word 'chicanery' you are implying that they did something wrong. Somebody got inside of me going into turn nine at Riverside (in 1985), and unfortunately, I didn't notice him. We tapped, I spun, wrecking my car on the wall. When he first came over to see how I felt about it, I said "No problem, that's racing, etc." But he kept after me so much that I finally told him that I didn't think it was a very good idea for him to try to pass me there, because he could have easily passed me coming out of the turn. That was what he wanted to hear, so he didn't have be apologetic anymore. He got me so upset I went one the officials to complain about it, and they said "Go away, little boy - that's racing." The difference is that thanks to RUclips, you could post your video of your great drive and your complaint of 'chicanery' immediately, while it's taken me 30 years to publicly confess my error.
Richard Maheu Hey Richard, that is a great story. I've heard some great things about Riverside (my dad used to watch Mark Donohue there I believe). To your point, I had no illusions of leaving that braking zone in the lead. I was hoping to come out in second, pushing the previous leader back to third. At Road America, there is one more big drafting zone going down into Canada and I felt that I needed to be in 2nd place coming out of the carousel, which really meant that optimally I needed to be in 2nd coming out of T5 which is where the incident occurred. My comment of chicanery was meant as a racing pun rather than poor driving or intention on either of the other guys' parts. It was purely a racing incident. I made an aggressive move but made it successfully (past the white car) and was in a position to gauge the situation and back out to third if need be (for instance, contact between the other cars) by going wide on the exit, but the bump happened while I was loaded up and that got me squirrelly and put me off. Sure I was chapped at the time, but I knew I had put myself in a position where that could happen. The very aggressive move was actually by the second place car who went to the grass on the left as the leader drove a defensive line (go back and watch just before I pull out of the draft). That exact move won the national championship a couple of years ago at Road America in our class (I'd link the vid but don't have it handy). The leader's defensive line opened up the outside line to me and I chose to take it as I had a head of steam and I knew he'd have to brake early for the guy inside of him. In hindsight, it didn't work out like I had it drawn up on my mental whiteboard. :) Thanks again! BTW, it sounds like the guy who got into you at Riverside was a bit of a punk.
26:14 crazy
What is wrong with this driver? Hands up everytime? Don't rage if someone's pass you. Just defend properly. EVERYTIME he let himself passed out of a corner (e.g. 6:10) because he left room. His own fault. More defending, less rage hand.
You're correct, to a point. I was driving with the dreaded "red mist" after the first lap disaster. I was wanting the silver car to work with me so we could move up through the pack (I was clearly quicker) but he wasn't doing so, so I was frustrated. In reality I had no reason to be as he was doing absolutely nothing wrong and was just racing me for position. I was still just rung up over the first lap mess. Once I got settled in and got my head right, it's pretty clear how quickly I moved through the pack and into the lead. I use this video to instruct sometimes specifically around how much *less* effective I was at the beginning when I was driving frustrated. I'm guessing you didn't watch the entire video to see when I finally calmed down (shortly after I got by the silver car). :)
Yes, I wachted till the end. Thanks for the reply and explanation!
***** No worries... thanks for watching and commenting!
hahahah! "wee" "this is easy"
6:10 What are these gestures? Frustration? Or give me five? 🙄
Dude you're disrespectful on track..
From what I've seen he's just racing
XLR8NRGIZE i've seen some hand gestures at least
BoxorRoxor Hey Boxor, you're right in a way... I was suffering from the dreaded red mist and it took me a while to get over it. This is actually a great case study in how much faster you can be once you settle back into 'the zone'. When I was irked that the silver car wouldn't work with me and kept fighting me (totally his right), I wasn't making much progress. Finally I settled down and quickly moved to the front of the pack. Thanks for watching and posting!
Dude, every time you screw up and make a bad move you raise your hand like someone screwed you. You're a horrible race driver, just be a gentlemen and accept that you make mistakes. I see major faults in your race driving, DBAP.
Hey Drew, I'm guessing you didn't read other comments/explanations or watch the end of the video and that's completely expected. In short, you're right and your point is really the big takeaway from this video for young drivers. I was very upset after the start and drove with the 'red mist' for several laps. During that time I was wildly ineffective and struggled to advance out of 13th spot. I made aggressive, ill-timed passes, and was subsequently annoyed when other drivers re-passed me rather than working with me (including the silly gesticulations you mentioned). Once I settled down and got back in the zone though it's a different race. I very quickly moved to the front of the field and led the most laps of the race. The end didn't work out optimally but it's really a tale of two races: 1) driving angry after the start and being very ineffective and then 2) settling down into the zone and moving through the field very quickly to the lead of the race. I hope others who watch see the change in mindset and the resulting improvement and learn from it. Thanks for watching and posting!
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Its legal for people to pass before the start/finish line? Very poorly officiated.
Crypto Info yes that was the primary issue that caused this mess.
@@Racer_XWell you made a tear at it anyway, 3rd place is super respectable considering the botched start. Do you know where the guy starting first finished?
the most of them have no skills😂 good driving but your overtakes are not so good but great vid.. sry for my bad english im from germany😂 you should start in another class, in my opion, this class is just a way to waste money
greets from germany go on dude
Drafting... lol
Had me laughing you definitely were the best car just ba d circumstances. Frustrating when that happens. Oh the struggles if being a gentlemen racer aye?
Why do you throw your hands up every time someone passes you? Are you too entitled to have someone drive around you? Man..its a race, fastest man gets the spot.
You're not very smart, trying to overtake in any corner at any cost and sacrificing exit speed then getting overtook yet again.... lolz.
To your point, I've actually used this video in driving instruction as a great example of the "red mist". I rarely get in that mindset, but I was in it after that botched start for sure. As a result, I drove more emotionally than clinically for the first part of the race and the result is clear: passes that were executed but were eventually unsuccessful with subsequent unwarranted frustration on my part. Once I settled down a few laps in I was able to march to the front of the field in short order (I'm guessing you didn't watch the whole video :) ). So it's not so much "not being very smart" but more like "driving angry" and you're right, it's not the optimal way around the track.
Dont like that bumping crap, you work your ass off to get a second on the field, and they swallow you back on the strait !!! No skill in this at all ..... racing isn't about bumping !
Why do you throw your hands up every time someone passes you? Are you too entitled to have someone drive around you? Man..its a race, fastest man gets the spot.
Good observation and you're spot on. I was driving angry from the first lap mess, or with the "red mist" as we often call it. This is a great instructional video on how much more effective a driver is once he gets past that. As you probably noticed, I was frustrated for a few laps that the silver car wasn't working with me to move up in the field but was battling for position, which is completely his right. Me throwing my hands up in frustration didn't gain me anything and was unwarranted. Once I settled down and just focused on my driving, I quickly moved to the front of the pack.