The Central Park Five | Sarah Burns, Korey Wise & Raymond Santana | Talks at Google
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- We welcome Sarah Burns, Korey Wise & Raymond Santana to discuss their documentary. The film is co-directed, written and produced by Ken Burns, Sarah Burns & David McMahon.
In 1989, five black and Latino teenagers from Harlem were arrested and later convicted of brutally beating and raping a white woman in New York City's Central Park. New York Mayor Ed Koch called it the "crime of the century" and it remains to date one of the biggest media stories of our time. The five each spent between 6 and 13 years in prison before a shocking confession from a serial rapist and DNA evidence proved their innocence. Set against a backdrop of a decaying city beset by violence and racial tension, THE CENTRAL PARK FIVE tells the story of how five lives were upended by the rush to judgment by police, a sensationalist media and a devastating miscarriage of justice.
Join author and filmmaker Sarah Burns for a sneak preview and discussion of her film The Central Park Five & her book on the same subject.
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I pray for Korey's complete and total healing. In Jesus's Name.
BluDrop5 Amen.
AMEN! 🙌🏾
Amen
Amen 🙏
Amen!!!!
We must protect Korey Wise at all cost!!!!
Yes I agree..look at what they did to Steven Avery and he’s white..I don’t trust the system that they still don’t want some type of revenge
@@lamilagra9684 Revenge?? Because they were exonerated?
Gillian Landry but they were still wrongfully convicted ages 14-16 they are messed up mentally Korey has it bad so yes revenge you got to fucking think bout what they went through
Silva Shale yes I remember that case they even do they’re own dirty but mostly the blacks are mistreated and wrongfully accused
My heart breaks for all of them but for Korey so much more. His disability, the fact that he went to be with his friend, and he seemed to have the least amount of support from family. OMG!
Tragedy
So sad! All these interviews I always find myself focused in on Korey. I’m hearing the others but my focus is ALWAYS him. I honestly want to give him the biggest most heart felt hug. This poor man....I can’t even imagine.
Fr I feel bad for everybody but korey the most Bc he was just tryna be a good friend and was the most innocent and was sent to a adult prison at that onea the worst prisons in America
😢😢😢😭😭😭😭
Yes, God bless Korey
Love you man
Respect to Yusef, Antron, Kevin & Raymond ✊🏾
I love that Korey calls other inmates his colleagues, so respectful!
Elaine Ferry no not respectful. It speaks to his level of intellect and it makes this that much sadder.
Interesting that he identifies with them that way, despite his professions of innocence.
@@TheMICMusicInspirationChannelhopefully after 4yrs. you learned the social structure of prison.
I want to listen to Corey speaking as long as possible, interviewers always cut him off.I hope they be patient with him, give him time!
Same he’s mesmerising. Love listening to him talk. Would like to hear more stories x
Kevine Naturelle THANK YOU
You can still see the pain in Koreys face I deeply sympathize
Yes can.. I have so much love for him.. But he is still very handsome..
You absolutely can
Yeah and this was posted in 2012. This isn’t based on When they see Us. Based on a documentary they did a few years ago. Seems like in today, when you see Korey he looks more happier. I hope he is.
Poor man😪😥😫😣
@@OneJoyfulNoise He look happier because he's 12M dollars richer. lol He deserves every penny.
I was on the edge of my seat everytime Mr. Santana father's scene came up. I was like "did he call yet". I was so proud of how his father stood by him, and communicated with him and DIDN'T GIVE UP ON HIS SON!
beauty41 I was so over mr.santana wife
@@honey124214 OMG me too girl🤦
@@honey124214 ; yes she was something else with all those people in the house. She was funny acting with him while he was in prison and upon the dad introducing him to her. As if she believed he was guilty or something.
@@honey124214 we all were lol
rutha Perry Yes her attitude was already on disrespectful before Raymond came home. I feel like his dad didn’t really put her in check properly, but his father seemed like he was amazing and always doing the best he could with the limited resources they had.
Oh korey! Oh Korey! I have been crying...your strength...dear Lord...
His strength is amazing and his spirit and heart are unmistakable.
Ikr..sad af
teetee me I agree. I’ve been calling his name in prayer and thinking about him ever since I watched the movie. So sad 😢
Korey said it perfect "right before I got kidnapped"
That's exactly right.
Yup
Mia Nolan Rogers LaCaze, Sr. kidnapped by New Orleans Police Department at 18 years old for a crime he did not commit. No physical evidence whatsoever. On death row in Louisiana State Prison (Angola). Please help me get the word out. No one wants to help!
I really Pray Korey has some genuine people surrounding him. I feel for them all but Korey the most. They all need therapy.
Oh so true, regarding therapy
I hate that he still lives in New York. The others live in GA.
If he wants to live there I don’t see the issue
I also pray that genuine, sincere, honest people are currently helping to take care of him and make sure that he isn't taken advantage of. His heart is so pure!
@@starbrightprod What's wrong with him living in NY?? He even said he wasn't gonna let anyone run him away from his home town. He kept his word. NY is his home. Nobody can take it away from him.
Just because Korey had disabilities, he still pull thru. As old ppl say, that leaning tree ain't always the first to fall
robynette pritchett what’s his disability?
Lovhare Brown he was born with a hearing disability which in turn caused him to have speech problems. He is a trooper though, a hell of a lot stronger than me I’ll tell you that. He gets nothing but love and respect from me!
Amen..true
Well said!
That's right, amen!!
Korey good nature freed these men. If he had went off on Reyes on the yard for that fight all those years back he might not have even considered confessing. Korey is an angel
Never thought about that. That is true.
this is it. his mum gave him good advice. forgive his enemies. it seems like such a ridiculous statement but look at the result. this man has a very beautiful heart.
When people don't forgive enemies it can cause setups, setbacks, and mishaps they never saw coming. Very true
Korey is such a handsome Man. God Bless him and send him peace.
not on the inside he treated Lisa so bad when he got home
All odds were against Korey, I pray for his sanity and strength. May god continue to cover him 🙏🏾
Genn S Yes! My god it’s so sad.
I never heard of this story until Ava duvernay....
I remember it . And I kept with it. I was in my early 30s so who didn't know about the case unless u were living in a cave..I'm just saying..... I had a 11 yes old son at that time who didn't know about this story. ..
@@elinorgoddard2726 no I was living in a house. I was born after 89..and growing up this wasn't mentioned in history classes. A movie was made in 2012 I think and I still never heard of it....ava really broadcasted this story
@@tmcclain7103 oh I understand because I had a daughter who was born in 1983 she doesn't know anything about the case also until now. .and she's 36 yes old now. Sorry I understand if u were just born around the 80s ..sorry
@Unircorn Gacha yes I did. What do u think .??? As a black person. I know what ups place department has been doing this to black males for decades picking out black males randomly .throwing them in jail for cases they know nothing about . And depriving them of their rights, and placing a case on them. We as black people knows exactly what's up . And WE know they will never have no one to apologize. But it's not to be expected. Because that will only prove that that the system .the judge lawyers, police officer the court was wrong!!! But the boys have a higher power in their life .thank God they are all here to see it ,,!!!
I vaguely remember, but didn't know they had been vacated. They desire an apology.
First of all the police KNEW they didn’t do this
Cami Cane RIGHT
Korey wise story had me in tears
Courtney Walker had me in full blown tears and sobbing.
You can tell the interviewer had no sympathy for them. These guys need healing in the form of an apology. Healing in the form of accountability, people need to be held accountable for their actions. They need healing in the form of judicial reform. My soul would be unsettled knowing I went through something like this and that many others are going through the same. It's one thing if it was a mistake it's another when it is systematic. I wish them peace and healing. Especially Mr. Korey King Wise. Strongest man alive right now.
@KellyKelz right they had no sympathy. It's just a story.
@@wantjustice843 I hate that they have to poke these wounds just for the truth to be told and the receiver is as unsympathetic as can be. Real waste of revisited pain and suffering.
What u expect her to do? Drop to her knees and cry to them apologizing? U buggin
Do you think Yusef owes anyone an apology, for going to Central Park carrying a metal pipe from Korey's house that was used to assault people?
The actor that played Kory needs an Oscar. Give my mans a Oscar RN! The way he played him, hand movements , head movements, talking was absolutely on point. Watching this was very emotional for me I literally took a break for a few days & just finished it recently. Crazy how it took a Netflix series for me maybe others too to be informed about this whole case. It’s a miracle they All are alive. Thank god ❤️
Yusef owes Korey his life man I swear, he went down to that police station so Kane wouldn’t be alone, because that’s his friend and he wanted to be there with him. Episode 4 had me throwing up and screaming into my blanket trying not to wake my family up at 4am because of what Korey had endured. There’s just something so heartbreakingly beautiful about him that makes him stands out even more from the rest. May God continue to be with him
I love Korey! This brother is so well spoken and someone here on the thread also mentioned poetic! He is highly intelligent and in spite of his challenges and experiences of 14 years incarceration, he’s an inspiration and it’s an honor to hear him speak. I’m so humbled by this brother, especially knowing that he went thru a living hell for 14 years, and still has his sanity, dignity, and strength! Super Salute to Korey! And Raymond! And the CP5!💯‼️👑✊🏾☀️
well said!!!!
Watching how Raymond is watching Korey's movement in the interview, you can see how he sees the hurt in Korey's eyes.
M-Ezzy 007 true, good observation because I was thinking the same thing. It is also, to me, a look of respect and admiration knowing what Korey went through, especially doing time as an adult and for a longer duration of time.💯‼️👑✊🏾
I agree... I think that’s why he keeps adding jokes and humor to help make Korey feel a bit more comfortable and lessen the pressure for him...
What time??
When??
Yall pray for Mr Wise.. Wow he caught hell!! U can still see the sadness in him
Anyone notice that in these interviews Korey still moves his legs the same way he was doing in the questioning in ‘89?
iss, yes. His coping mechanism 😞
iss what you tryna say ?
Sikee Naah exactly what i wrote sis.
Well it is still him..so wtf wud him moving his leg a certain way anything to do wit his disability 😂😂u know him now yea😂😂
Korey is so sweet, he did not deserve to suffer for 12 years!!! I'm sad nobody was able to protect and shield him or the other boys. 😢
13 almost 14
Dammit, Korey and them dimples. They are to die for 😊😍😍
robynette pritchett he really is such a beautiful man and he was a beautiful boy
Yeah he’s really attractive. His facial structure and eyes
@@ladydede88 girl yes
@@adorable1122 aww ik 😍
He's very handsome. Sad he never married or had children.
i couldn't imagine the psychological trauma these guys have been through living their young lives in jail. this sickens me
I don't know if it's just me but I can listen to Korey talk for hours his story appeals to me so much I love how his spirit is still alive & didn't let them break him he truly is a remarkable man
I don't care how old he is or how young I am, Korey is my baby! I will protect him at all costs my damn self if I must. He deserves nothing but happy days and LOVE.
“Right before I got kidnapped....”... wow. This whole thing is even crazier than we really can comprehend. They would need all the time in the world to reeeeally explain what they went through.
Soyini Lydia did you notice how hard it was for him to say that , ptsd is so real man
The lady interviewing was so rude to rush Korey while he was telling his story😞
yeah.... every time he opens up (even in other interviews) ppl always cut him off.
Missme Witdat honestly and little does she know the only reason most of us watched it was for him
Some lack empathy -
Miss me...you right. I notice ALL of the interviewers do that. So rude👿
Kory was drugged repeatedly while he was locked up so he tends to ramble that's why they take over its not being rude they all know that he has a disability
Reyes is disturbed but I respect him for speaking up...
Fuck that, I see your point but he should have fessed up before the 5 spent a day in jail and not just when he couldn’t get any extra time for the crime which I believe he never
@@strictlycasual765 Exactly he had compassion but he did it more for his own benefit than anything seeing the statue of limits for rape is only 7 yrs and it was after 7 yrs he went to confess and he supposedly found God. LOL
All those that had a part for sending them to prison should go prison.
Sadly theyWont😣😠😠😠😠😠😠
Sadly that ain't gonna happen🤕
Big Factz!
Christina Griffith it won’t happen but I wish it would. The worst of the worst prison they could possible go to
It may not happen in this life but trust me it is a negative energy they have created in this life we are in now and It has to balance at some point. So they may not pay now but they will pay dearly in their next incarnation.
I like hearing Korey speak
Roxanne Extreme ikr that kid is going places
A walking miracle. My God! Korey's story... I have no words 😔
I feel so bad for all of them yet Im so super proud of their strength. My GOD the strength it had to take to make it through ALL they have been through. Sadly this made me think of Kalif Browder and how horribly he was treated. The fight still continues....
Chicitysheba I thought I was the only one .... yes their story definitely reminded me of Kalief Browder . ... Kaliefs browder’s case is the reason why minors cannot go to Rikers Island .
For Corey it is almost like he believes he does not deserve to be happy, he refuses to grant himself the freedom to seek and find joy. I dont blame him he was molded to be that way
Donique Whonder *Korey stupid
@@nicoleperry7023 so fucking what? I am happy you u understand the letters C and K have similar sounds. Bravo!!!!!
I said the same thing when I was watching another interview I hope he realizes he does because he's so strong and it's okay to be loved 💜
@@nicoleperry7023 You are the stupid one
Donique Whonder Hefty assumption... talk to him first.
I want to hear Cory interviewed independently by a qualified interviewer that won’t cut him off and recapture his message accurately and beautifully.
If young white boys were treated like this the entire system would change. Parents should never let your cold be interrogated without a lawyer present.
Girl, you already know that would never happen. Look at Brock Turner.
On another note, Linda Fairstein prosecuted a white male rapist and stated he looked too handsome and was too young to go to jail.
@@BluDrop5 the preppie murder or whatever the called it...I know exactly what you talking about
My Question to Russell summons and puff how could y’all embrace trump knowing he wanted them dead.
@Lorenzo Nelson The two that you named (and there are MANY MORE like them) are led by money and they LACK REAL INTEGRITY period! Some people don't care about how others are mistreated or abused, but they are only satisfied, as long as the DEVIL chooses them as a pet. To me, that is the attitude that these blind / spineless individuals have. A person with integrity will never condone or be in the company of such TRASH, no matter what the price or the so called "prestige" that it holds
Despite all the atrocities and the trauma, Korey is still that gentle, kind hearted person he had always been. How he does, I have no idea. You truly are a walking angel.
Korey looks and speaks like a junkie.
In a way they are still teenagers in their hearts. That time for them stopped and could never be replaced. I pray for them🙏🏻❤️
He called him "Destiny" 😢😢
KoiNadi so Reyes is the guy he fought in the day room over the tv ......*MIND FUCKIN BLOWN*
@@bellatrophyyy1721 yessss
@@bellatrophyyy1721 Korey has a scar above his eyes from that incident with reyes and he said that its written on his body for the rest of his life.
Sir being charged with rape and assaulted, stab, tortured, stigmatized and traumatized for up to 12 years in a penitentiary, in at least one case as a minor at Rikers Island, is not justified for anyone. None of them were proven guilty of the assaults on the homeless, and even if one of them may have been, this is far from a rape and brutal battering of the central park jogger. Be reasonable and intelligent.
Spend a week in a penitentiary and then comment on what is deserved by innocent kids.
Can Corey get his own interview and his own movie and documentary
get you a heart like Korey wise,dude is so forgiving!!!bless your heart korey...
Korey 😭😭💙
I'm so proud of Sarah Burns and Ken Burns for telling stories that no one ever wants to hear about.
Except it's all bulls**** honey, as the black cop who was in on the entire night tells us:
www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-news-eric-reynolds-detective-central-park-20180713-story.html
You must be white
@ Some Blacks will say and do anything to keep a job. That detective will have to answer for part in this too.
So go to another story dumb ass
Oh well excuse them Sandy but you don’t have to listen
Thank you Sarah for believing in the Central Park 5 you were truly a blessing to their cause.
She has her own agenda as well. You heard her, she wants to make documentaries.
Out of the 5 of them I'm always focus on Korey you'll be in my prayers and I hope one day I can meet you and give you the biggest warmest hug 😭💔😥😭
The actor that played Corey did a amazing job he sounds just like em
No offense but all these interviews being done by white people are really rude and disturbing after all these men have been through. These men are making time to even re tell there horrific story and these people asking questions are down right mean and very insensitive. Lord be with these men and there caring families while they kind of relive these years. 😥
Chasity Hammonds I’m actually glad they are speaking to a white audience and being interviewed by them as well because it is definitely something they need to hear as well. EVERYBODY needs to hear this. Even if these boys weren’t black EVERYBODY needs to hear this. Situations like This have always happened and unfortunately will continue to happen. The justice system/government is so flawed and people are so greedy and so full of hate and just continue to turn a blind eye that they refuse to fix who they are hiring and won’t fire the people who are doing wrong.
I thought im the only one thinkng the same ...
Good way to separate races 🙄
Yeap the same way they have always done it🤭
Not taking away from the boys that went through this horrible thing. Korey went through the worst! He wasn't even at the park! It's so sad. I just want to hug him!!!!
i just want to give korey the biggest hug ever. you can see the pain in his eyes it’s truly heartbreaking ☹️
Lord I binged watched the whole series and when I tell you I literally cried the whole movie. It was so sad.. my heart goes out to all of them but Korey omg😥😥😥😥 I just want to give him the biggest hug. He spent the most time in jail and the way he was treated was so bad. No amount of money could make up for that. My heart goes out to the lady also because she didn’t deserve what happened to her either.
Yes I was up till 5 am watching pissed mad crying with snot running down my nose....
Kee Kee McDaniel gurl yesss I’m gonna watch it again.
God bless Korey King Wise
Just watched the movie last nite. I'm at a loss of words and my heart is heavy! I have a 15yr old son 😢 More needs to be done about this injustice! These young men had to endure a lot!!
Just by watching Korey, you can tell that it still traumatize him just by talking about it 😢
I shed a tear every time I listen to Korey talk. I feel his pain.
Korey speaks the least but has the most to say. We love you Korey stay strong
After watching "When They See Us" I think twice, three times about complaining, I almost did not make it through Korey Wise seen it bought took me out!! All of them was innocent but to get dealt the hand he was dealt for being loyal and sticking by a friend!!! Like wow!!! I just think twice about complaining!! And he Still Smiles after it all it did not take his joy!!! 🙏🙏🙏 Exonerated 5!!!
i love it when reymond says we only got 6 mins on this phone, then korey cracks up laughing cuz that was the world he was living in, he could relate so well to that kind of moment. love that guy
Korey had it worst my heart hurts for him. Every time I see him I wanna cry. He deserves LOVE! What went through is not fair and wasn’t deserved or needed.
I wonder if they ever get tired of all the same questions. Like having to relive it? Idk but they are brave for this ongoing journey to tell their story.
No. I think they want people to be aware and protect themselves and their children. They want to make a difference and help others. Because of Raymond commenting on Ava's Instagram, she made a movie! Because he kept on talking...
It brings great awareness. He said the city was dragging they feet. It was an ongoing civil suit.
I hope at some point they do get a small break because every time they retell the story it’s like they’re traumatized all over again...😢
I see another documentary/docudrama, highlighting Korey’s 14 years of experiences throughout his incarceration. Especially because he stands out so strongly in terms of amount of time served, as well as the fact that the majority of that time served, was in adult pens!💯‼️👑✊🏾
I'm so sad for these men. Especially Korey.....he/they didn't deserve that. Their lives were ruined.
I love how he calls Reyes "destiny"
"any calls or letters" That line broke my heart every time Korey 😭
Black People are Literally Afraid to Watch a Netflix show about the justice system. It’s a HORROR FILM TO US. Let that sink in….Watching “When They See US’’ is a HORROR FILM TO US. All praises to ken and Sarah burns and the brothers for sharing this to the world!!!
Why I hate black history month. I want to hear about how we've overcome and succeeded inspite of what we have been through. It's good to know where we have come from but we also need to know how far we have come. I hate the movies about slavery. It infuriates me. I hate watching the news. Not enough stories shedding a positive light on us. I am tired of constant negativity.
@@ladylovesherlord Yes, i feel you 100% these type films makes me hate every white person I see after watching a movie like this lol.I believe they put these kinda movies out for the youth to watch for their american history lesson for them. We can forgive but not forget. We cant sweep all the trauma and pain under the rug that black ppl been an still going through because what happen back then is still happening right now and it looks like its not changing anytime soon..so Black ppl really need to wake up and start loving themselves and each other and start building our own because as long as we expect our enemies to fix our problems for us that they created, We're gonna stay in this hell.. It's gonna take us to fix our own problems not our oppressor.
Korey you’re such an inspiration sir! What you endured is crazy. Stay encouraged brother!!!! I pray for all of you to stay encouraged and to keep fighting. We’re fighting with you!!!
This was the saddest thing I've watched. Can't "No" money 💰 give them that time back.
THE INNOCENT 5! I LIKE THAT. AMEN.
I just don’t understand how she can smile while telling this story.
was thinking the same thing...
Nervousness
Basking in the glory of the savior complex
Korey is so strong! Yo I can’t begin to explain how I felt what you were going through. I’m here right now because of you all. I’m so disgusted with the system. The almighty had you the entire time. You are truly a blessing.
Every time I see Korey I wanna just hug him!!!!
Bless! My heart and prayers go out to these five young men ! 🙏🏾🙏🏾
GOD bless them all! Korey is an angel of GOD! I so love his spirit!
This is so painful. I can't bring myself to watch the Netflix special.
Yusef wasn't a loyal friend. It was all about him, and his mother trained him to be that way.
Yusef was loyal.....thats why he and Korey are still good friends
Yusef was a child who had to listen to his mother.
Yousef was concerned about Corey everyday. It his mum that told him to put himself first and didn't want them to communicate because they were on watch and she wanted her son to be cleared.
When your both convicted of a crime like this it's hard to be in communication.. Although I do agree his mom should've done more for all the boys..
My heart is so heavy. My heart ♥️ goes out to all 5 men...Mr. Korey Wise especially💪🏾May God Bless them all♥️🙏🏾🙌🏾
Korey could’ve still been in prison probably if his destiny didn’t stop and confess
Nori Nori that’s scary and after seen the series on Netflix makes me think that Korey was gonna die in jail hadn’t his “ destiny “ confessed . This is heart breaking and scary .
These men are so wise and profound in everything they say.
I cry every time I see them in interviews!
There cannot be any decent person alive who does not absolutely LOVE Korey Wise - and that is exactly as it should be. Prayers for all the exonerated 5 and thier families and loved ones. Korey is strong, special and sweet. May Gods Grace and mercy continue to cover him and make the rest of his life the best of his life.
I am so glad they are all okay and I know there is still some healing going on (of course) but to see them shine makes it worth watching the movie!!!.. I was sad and mad when I first saw "When They See Us" and I felt that..In the end God worked it out and the truth prevailed. Somebody was praying and now each of them enjoy the rest of their days. God Bless!!!
Raymond is worried about Korey he consistently looks over at his buddy to make sure he's ok I can see he still hurts the same on none of his interviews he won't look up in the cameras or in anyone's face K aka King Wise your a nice looking man a really nice looking guy I'll watch video music box all day with you bro
PTSD is real
I love that the lady interviewing is giving Korey a chance to speak and Express himself without making him feel rushed.
Korey you are blessed and amazing❤ continue your journey in life it's so much more important beautiful things for you❤, Blessings to all the men🙌🏾🙏🏾🤗 Thank you, Thank you😘
Korey is poetic. He needs more time to express what he means, but his intellect still shines through. It makes me think about who he could have become if his adolescence hadn't been brutally interrupted. And how there are so many teenage boys out there being INTERRUPTED by the criminal justice system.
Grateful that they are saying the truth and are here today!♥️
White lady tried to kiss em at the end 🤣🤣 while her husband sitting in the audience looking 🤣
I just finished Burns 's the Central Park five book. What a compelling narrative. The author gives a visceral succinct account of events. It is completely implausible that those boys should have been convicted from the Inception of this case. Linda fairstein is nothing more than a modern-day Capo!.
Her tactics couple with the police detectives propensites were repugnant yet pervasive and unfortunately putative in todays society.
Thank you for telling this amazing true story
I love Korey and I don’t even
Know him .... those boys deserved better .. those responsible for this need to be held accountable
There will never be another Korey Wise
PRAYING
Action ia required. Not soley prayers
To think that people like Kalif Browder and Korey wise were sent to Rikers at 16 makes me sick to the stomach!! Their youth was stripped away from them. May God give strength to many like Korey who are wrongly convicted ❤️
I've noticed that when Korey speaks, he includes highly detailed information like very descriptive author, "i closed the door, it slammed, i looked up, i looked down". I wonder if this is due to him spending so much time in solitary confinement. Time must move so much slower for him compared to this generation of fast paced social media junky mess.
Korey is so friggin handsome. 😍😁
Is Mr. Wise okay? He seems not present in this interview. Stay strong Mr. Wise.