My concern is that he's not changing his game to protect himself from these injuries. I get that he was trying to get a first down, but he needs to know he can't play like that and invite those injuries. Slide, or try to avoid the guy in front of you instead of trying to truck him. The whole thing was avoidable.
He did change his game, he learned martial art falling techniques to protect his head and gained some weight. Issue is that he threw 3 picks and had to put the team on his shoulders
4 concussions in HS, 1 in college ball. Wish I retired after the first, I'm 26, and I still have constant headaches and forgetfulness. Health is tenfold times more important than any sport accolade.
@@patrickhouse9005 why are you commenting under a video you haven't watched. If you actually listened to the person who diagnoses this shit for a living you'd know that's not true
@MasonSkyline Some short term memory issues, yeah. Mainly it's sleep regulation and emotional control though. I see therapists for both because it has such a huge impact on me and those around me.
@@youngnas15 Good to see you can type four letters with the mental disabilities you face daily. Keep your head up and keep trying, as that's what's important. Good luck in life and blessings.
Unfortunately he doesn’t. From interviews and other sources, Tua has said his father has practically forced him to play football all his life, which Tua does because he doesn’t want to disappoint his demanding and prideful family. He will continue risking his health and life just to make his parents happy.
I have had 5 concussions from football. Played tackle from 2nd grade up through high school. Was supposed to play in college but after my 5th concussion senior year of high school I couldn’t find any doctor to clear me to continue playing. I saw three different doctors after my fourth concussion, and i wasn’t cleared to play again until I saw the third doctor. And even he told me he probably shouldn’t clear me and was going against his better judgement. Two years ago I got my sixth concussion in a freak accident. Since that concussion, I have never been the same. My head feels like a balloon that’s gonna explode 24/7, for over two years. I used to be deans list at a good university, and now I can barely type a paragraph or look at screens. It’s not worth it. If I could go back I wouldn’t play. As someone who is/was a DIEHARD football fan, i will never allow my kids to play this game. As amazing as the game is, it’s just not worth it. You don’t realize the effects multiple head injuries has on you until it’s too late….
I don't think people are talking enough about his decision making on the field. Dude led head first into Damar Hamlin, when Hamlin was basically just standing there in the way. Why would a QB do that? Why not just slide? If he is incapable of making choices to protect his health and live to play another down maybe he isn't fit to play in the NFL.
For me the most concerning thing is his decision making. Bro is out there likes he’s a prime Cam Newton. You ain’t 6’5” 245lbs bro you’re like 6’1” 205lbs you can’t run over a god damn safety 😂
@@ravendecoux all you’ve done is prove you don’t know ball. No 6’1 205 QB is running over a safety in the open field. But even at that you missed the point; he makes poor decisions that frequently put him in dangerous situations. We’ve seen it in other plays where he got concussions as well by holding the ball to long trying to extend plays.
@@WindigoMac Hamlin could’ve even gone into the tackle but he literally tried to grab Tua and make the play safer. It’s scary when you saw worse hits from diving catches etc. yet Tua is the one who goes down on a play most RBs see multiple times a game.
Most people don’t die from getting a concussion, it can cause symptoms to death, like mental problems, but damar’s injury is 10x worse and he’s doing just fine
Yes. Tell a guy to walk away from something he's worked for his whole life, because his pain is a nuisance to YOUR NFL viewing experience. Really helpful for Tua to hear how his decisions are affecting YOU.
@RenzaissanceTV Damar died from an event that would be akin to a gunshot wound or a shark attack. It's a one-time, high trauma event. Concussions are a different matter. Once you're concussed, your brain never goes back to normal. It's been permanently changed, not massively, but permanently. Concussions also raise the risk for CTE, which can have destroy your life, family, etc. Just because Damar came back from an injury doesn't mean Tua will. Not all injuries are the same.
Agreed, all up to Tua, his family, and his doctors, it probably will take time to make a firm decision but the decision isn't up to us, it's up to Tua at the end of the day
Of course it's not up to us, this argument is being disingenuous. People are worried for his health and want him to stay safe this is why they are saying to retire. It doesn't come from "we know better about his health"
@@AlenAbdulathe fact is you have no idea what his health is like. There’s players who have had more concussions that people don’t tell to retire. Leave the man alone
I’m sorry for nitpicking, but you keep saying he had a concussion last year. His last concussion was in 2022. Either way, I always appreciate the expertise you provide about injuries. 🙏
At the end of the day, He needs to At least be told the risk of continuing to play before making a decision. If he takes a risk and keeps playing so be it, it’s his decision.
I'm sure he was told of the risks of continuing to play after the first concussion. And then after the second and then after the third and now especially after the fourth. Foo just needs to learn how to slide 🤦
(5) total concussion in his football career. (1) in college, (3) in 2022 season, (1) last night.. I’m not a doctor but wish him the best in whatever decision he makes.
The fact that he gets concussed repeatedly in a very severe manner on plays that others can just shake off should tell you something. If Tua ruptured a ligament over and over, he'd retire immediately. His brain is even more important than a ligament, so the answer should be clear.
Lots of players have multiple achilles, ACL, UCL, etc tears. Pitchers get 3+ Tommy John surgeries. Running backs have multiple knee surgeries for the same injuries. Nick Chubb's knees have been completely exploded multiple times, and he's on the Browns right now. Guys play through injuries.
Browns 3 time Pro Bowler star corner Denzel Ward suffered his 5th concussion since 2018 this past training camp and no made a fuss about having him retire. Odd to see all this pressure on Tua and no one caring about Ward.
I’m sorry about that people should have cared about DW and everyone who gets injured playing football or any sport. Anytime any person gets seriously hurt like Tua Denzel Hamlin etc they all have to make a conscious choice to either play again or not whether the risk is worth the benefit. They just weigh the rewards now vs what could happen later. I hope we can help all athletes in the future and give them the resources to make the best possible decisions.
Because nobody saw it happen and just browns fans and a few other people even know about that.. Tua is a well known player and his concussions happened in a game for everyone to see and 2 of his concussions had his body stiff and his hands doing these weird things so it‘s a lot more shocking to the people seeing this
He has enough money for a lifetime and to take care of him and his family. It ain’t worth it and he needs to live the rest of his life as healthy as possible. Live life Tua
@@moalston4203 yeah that’s tough. We’ll see but wish him the best regardless of his decision. Always hate to see the long-term effects of concussions on those who play this sport
Less about him needing to retire because of injury for me. He is not learning from his mistakes he keeps putting himself in harms way more than necessary.
If Tua was my friend, brother or son, I would be begging him to retire. Other coaches and players are calling for him to retire because they see that this is different, what Tua is going through is not normal. While I always appreciate the explanation from the view of a sports doctor, we all know deep down that this is different. We aren't talking about his knee here, we are talking about his brain and spine. His career earnings are $73 million so far, hopefully he saved enough to allow him to move on. He can go on TV, coach, anything. But we all know this is different.
It's only different that the whole NFL saw his symptoms in 4K and Slow-motion. If I were his friend, I'd tell him that I'll support whatever decision you go with, even if we don't agree. It's not mine or anybody else's place to make those decisions for you. And if he asks what I would like him to do, I'd say walking away with the millions you've made that will be able to support your family for generations and with as much of your head in-tact as possible is the best decision to me.
@VeeeGeeee and if he chose to keep playing despite that advice, we would support him in that decision too, instead of trying to force our values onto him. I would retire if I was in his spot, but I hate people coming on here and spouting about what’s important to them personally, as if that’s at all relevant to Tua
the question is whether he should still be given another chance to see if he'll change his approach to the game. future head injuries are inevitable if he continues, but i feel that a slight change, even just wearing a legacy helmet, goes a long way. if he really has respect for his team and family, he should take those measures more seriously.
@hanson2331 I think that’s probably the right take… Tua should be allowed to come back if he wants to, but he needs to take the proper safety measures, like wearing a guardian cap and learning to slide. Things like that to prove that he actually understands the gravity of his situation
@@sullyproductions5757 yup thats what’s causing him to continue having them, All cuz that 1 play, I remember he just had ankle surgery, and he ends up having career ending hip injury, broken nose, and a concussion, like dude had the worst of luck, I really don’t know how he’s playing after that hip injury smh…
This is why the NFL needs to start penalizing OFFENSIVE players for leading with the crown of their helmet. To be clear, as the rule is written, they should be, but refs almost never enforce it this way. Offensive players do this so often, and it's the primarily cause of contact to the helmet. When the target you're trying to tackle lowers himself and scrunches up as small as possible to brace for impact, it is nearly impossible for a defender to not hit that target in the head or neck area, which is the primary point the offensive player is leading with. If the league actually enforced this penalty on offensive players, they'd be much less likely to do this, and you'd see a significant decline in concussions. It would also make the game fairer all around if both offense and defense have to play by the same rules.
An offensive playing shouldn’t lead with their head? They are running forward.. it’s up to the defender how they tackle an offensive player not the other way around.
@@user-gx8dl1dt2y completely different when the defender is the person attempting to make a tackle. They have the control over the hit, not the offensive player.
What about the fact that since 2019 he’s had 5 instead of the 3 that you said? He’s had 5, and they all seem to get worse and worse and a lot easier for him to get them. It wasn’t even a rough hit last night and he still got concussed. Edit, and I know you can easily say why not stop at 6? Well if that’s the case let’s go extreme, what if damar dies on the field and comes back to life again, would you say we HAVE to stop saying damar should retire?
What is happening is the brain is being trained to protect itself more and more each time and they will get to the point he will get them easier. He needs to wear that sleeve for the helmet.
It’s been determined that it is not necessary to have a concussion to cause CTE or worsen it. With each hit to the head, more and more brain damage occurs.
I am sorry if the guy can’t take a hit he shouldn’t be playing. Tua brother. You have a beautiful wife and child at home. I am sure you want to spend a healthy life with them. Former NHL player Patrick Horngvist had multiple concussions during his career which made him retire. If you’re gonna play atleast SLIDE and not DIVE.
This! He doesn't know how to play safe. The push tacle from cople years ago had him hut back of his head and he could have just turned and taken impact with his chest.
I understand what you are saying, but because of my personal experience, it's hard for me to not feel like he should retire. I've had what many would consider to be an extreme amount of concussions with loss of consciousness (I lost count at about 20-25). I always had about the same reaction, headache, dizziness, and fatigue for 1-3 weeks and then I felt fine. I didn't consider concussions as overly serious. That was until my last concussion which caused me to suffer a TBI. I had a roll over accident and suffered what I thought was "just a concussion" but as 3 weeks turned into 6 weeks and my symptoms seemed to be getting worse not better I was sent to a neurologist who did a brain MRI. My Doctor was very surprised when the results showed definite and significant damage in the brain. I was also put through a full neuropsych battery of tests which allowed my neurologist to officially diagnose me with a TBI. It's been over 2 years and I am still on disability, I struggle to go out in public, I've developed chronic health problems (chronic fatigue, chronic pain, etc). I can't prove that all of my previous concussions contributed to my TBI, but I definitely believe they did. Maybe I've swung too far in the opposite direction with my concerns about concussions, but it's not something to play with in my book. It's not my place to tell Tua what he should or shouldn't do. But knowing how much this has destroyed my life, I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
This isn't like it was 20 years ago. Each time trauma occurs they go into protocol, a brain examination is done each time. What happened to you is unfortunate, but Tua is fortunate to have access to the best doctors while also needing to follow strict medical rules to be allowed to play. It is his doctor's decision, and if he doesn't follow that, the NFL will surely step in.
@@WutTheDeuceGaming Science has not progressed that much in last 20 years regarding brain examination. A quick memory and eye tracking test on the sideline is not a comprehensive test, not to mention that NFL doctors and admins have the same incentive: keep good players on the field at all moments, especially QBs. It's not a secret that QBs sell tickets and drive up ratings. So what I'm trying to say is that having access to the best doctors doesn't make a big difference in terms of long term brain health
Could very well be as you said, Francis, but remember, these days, videos are put out simultaneously with different titles and thumbnails to see with combinations perform the best (esp. for new videos).
@theshivelyshow5784 are you is representative? So why are you giving me your opinion 🤔 of what someone else opinion would be.... even tho you don't know the Dr
Let me say it for you Doc. He should be done! Tua is listed at 225 lb. Hamlin is listed at 200 lb. He's running full steam and hits the man's arm with his helmet. Hamlin should have been knocked back and no way should Tua end up with a concussion from the arm of a DB. If that's all it takes to get him down he should have retired last year.
Of course that's what you believe but it's still up to the individual to decide to play football and I said two should retire years ago and it has nothing to do with his concussions is because he is injury prone as hell. His body is not meant to play football, but everybody wants to use concussion as an excuse.
The only reason why everyone is talking about Tua retiring is because he himself said he contemplated retirement after his 2nd concussion back in 2022.
I completely disagree with the notion that the decision should be different whether or not the player is professional or in a position to go pro… that’s the equivalent of assigning a dollar figure to someone’s life. I was pretty shocked to hear this guy say that.
Dr brian I appreciate your medical videos Im definitely learning 📕 more about the human body. I believe that tua shouldn't retired I believe that once he has a full recovery he should keep playing but I believe that the Miami dolphins 🐬 are going to look for a backup QB
It’s sad this man cannot walk away HEALTHY, his body is telling him to retire from football, gonna be a very sad outcome with the next concussion & believe it , there will be another one!!!
I had my bell rung and nearly passed out from a very bad concussion, and that’s all it took for me to step away from football. Granted I wasn’t getting a monetary incentive like Tua and other NFL players, but choosing your health is important. I think Tua will comeback from this injury and keep playing. In my opinion he should retire and spend the rest of his life with his family. Maybe those closest will protect him from himself. Prayers up!
The idea that the NFL itself would step in and shut Tua down is crazy, and I'm surprised that even former NFL players are now calling for it. How would that even work? Is that even legal?
They can do it if they want. They can suspend a player even if charges are dropped with the for the good of the nfl or however it’s phrased clause. If they feel like him getting concussed repeatedly on tv is a detriment to the league they won’t let him play anymore. Do u really think the nfl and the owners are going to let 1 qb get in the way of all that sweet tv money? Spoiler alert they won’t
@selanryn5849 I think what soulchorea was referring to but did not accurately verbalize was 'what it would look like if Tua asked out of his contract for medical purposes.' Who would owe whom, would dolphins receive a compensatory pick, and what the leagues role would be in Tuas resignation.
@@johniec5282 How would they be able to say he's not physically fit *if he's medically cleared? My comment was made assuming he's going to get medically cleared to return (because if not then why would the league have to step in). So assuming he gets cleared and wants to return, how is the league going to be able to step in and say he's not physically fit to play? Steve Young had like 7 concussions so like Dr. S said there's no max number they can impose here
I’ve never seen another football player posture like that after a concussion and I think that’s why it’s so scary looking. I’ve seen the dazed look ( where am I look) but not posturing / fencing like he does. Many football players get cte and or dementia at an early age. I think he should retire because no amount of money is worth your health!!
If I were his father and he were my son I would do everything in my power to convince him to retire. He's made more money than many generations of families can even dream of. He can still make alot money as an analyst because he seems like he has a nice personality. He's had at least 4 concussions and if I'm not mistaken he's had 2 in one game.
You keep saying that Tua has had "three concussions." He's had a LOT more than that. Every time he hits the back of his head on the turf and that works out to many more than three concussions. Bottom line? It's not just about concussions with Tua. He's extremely injury prone going all the way back to college. And his father used to beat him if he threw an interception. Think about that.
I don’t think it’s unwarranted or out of line for people to say Tua should retire. Maybe the timing is not optimal, but this conversation is worth having for the sake of general player health and right now will be the peak of attention. Obviously the choice will be his but if I was in his circle I would strongly suggest retirement. McDaniel put out a statement saying Tua’s future should be the last thing on his mind, but in my opinion it should be the first thing on mostly everyone’s mind. Tua has to go through the process and collect himself to decide something big like this. But this is his life people are trying to advocate for. We know of mang instances where football players have gone back into games knowing their bell is rung. With small exception they are going to want to play until their body physically cannot go. Playing every snap for multiple NFL seasons is going to give you CTE sooner or later. That’s just part of the consequences of playing football. We don’t know the exact details, and every athlete is different. But more concussions is worse. Just because we don’t know where the line is doesn’t mean there isn’t a line somewhere.
Much appreciated insight. I think we all support(or at least should) support any decision he makes, when he's talked to whomever is important to him, and whenever he feels comfortable enough to make it. A lot of the optics, though, are focused on his fingers curling up. How much is that a concern? When you look at almost any of his passes, his fingers are curled in a very similar manner. I've just been very curious about this. TIA
I know you’re a Dr and very clearly have more experience and knowledge than the average and above average person but I have to disagree. We all see what’s going on with him and there’s no way that if this happens to him again that he’s going to be ok. He needs to retire and focus on other aspects of his life. We all see with our eyes that his concussions are nasty and will be detrimental to his health. We’re all concerned for him
Well doc , this is the first video i had to dislike. 4/5 concussions in 2.5 years is evidence enough that this man clearly needs to stop. What more do you want? I get it is ultimately up to him but if even fans who never met him are concerned, that speaks volumes. There is nothing wrong with voicing your concerns. Tua seems like he wont stop until he cant play anymore. Any sensible person would stop after the second. There is nothing to take a breathe about or to even talk about.a
You have to remember that decisions about an athlete's career are complex and involve medical professionals, the athlete, and their support system. Tua has access to top-tier medical advice and care, and his decisions are likely based on thorough evaluations and personal passion for the game. Voicing concerns is valid, but ultimately, it's about balancing professional medical advice, personal choice, and understanding the risks involved
@@AlenAbdula dude what are you talking about?? Teams and leagues are under significant scrutiny to prioritize player health, partly due to public concern and potential legal ramifications. Players like Tua have personal agency and can choose to prioritize their health, supported by their families and independent medical professionals
Makes us Very curious to know what that post-possible concussion conversation was like after the First incident. In which either party might have downplayed and rushed to decision. We'll probably never know about the conversation and impossible to know "what if", but retrospect makes us wonder how he'd be doing if he'd taken a much more careful route in 2022.
Definitely don’t expect him to make any sort of announcement or alteration in his professional path until probably near the end of or after the season is over. Also, Andrew Luck jersey in the background? Nice!
I disagree. I think we've seen enough to say Tua should likely retire. The negative affects of getting hit in football, possible CTE and these significant concussions make it the smarter move to take the millions he's already made and have the best quality of life he can. It just stinks that he'd have to give up the sport he loves.
Something you didn't mention in this video, Tua had 2 severe concussion events in the span of 4 days in 2022. This is worse than someone having 5 spread out concussions in their career.
We don't know that for sure. Your claim certainly seems logical and may have statistical support from some perspectives but as Dr. Sutter mentions here, the nature of concussions and individual recoveries differ greatly. Unfortunately it's too hard to get a real good read on the long term affects of serious concussions. In the old days back in the 70s player safety was a liability to teams and the league and you would have guys taking concussions every week. Some thirty years later we have seen the horrors of this dastardly attitude with players like center Mike Webster who anchored the line for PIttsburgh's dynasty through the 70s and a bit beyond that into the 80s. At the end of his life he was an absolute mess and died likely insane, a merciful fate and that point. Thankfully people have wised up and the hope his that we will see far fewer of these living tragedies from retiring players from hereon. Lots to think about for Tua. The only rash decision that might be possible for him to make is to come back in the face of irrefutably compelling evidence that mandates he should not. Otherwise I am inclined to back any other choice of his. Hopefully should the evidence for Tua mandate his retirement, the league would step in and declare him medically unfit to play, thus removing the chance of him making that sole inadvisable decision.
This injury is helping shed more light on mental health issues. As a survivor and overcomer myself from years of abuse and neglect, fatal blows and being stomped, having actually no one to help stop it has disheartening, and they knew it was a serious problem in da home. Many young kids face same if not worse behind closed doors with some mad evil single mother. Mental and life changing near death injury comes from all parties knowing and not acting faster than they should. My concerns are on major topics dealing with concussions. Everything from head to toe is on high alert, one must take it easy, it's a long battle back to being normal, probably never achieve it because of some many repeated incidents. Nose bleeds, ears ringing, sleep disorder, seeing ghost, disturbed by the paranormal, legs weaken like a boxer legs gives out after being knocked out, NOW IMAGINE THE CHILDREN THAT HAS SUFFERED AND LIVED THROUGH THIS NEGLECT AFTERWARDS.
This is why the NASCAR drivers I know get advice from a neurologist when it comes to head injuries rather than a sports medicine physician. The involuntary movements Tua has displayed with at least two of the concussions are worrisome. He’s not getting just a little dizzy.
The last step of the concussion protocol is to be medically cleared by an independent neurologist! Independent as in one that does not work for the NFL or the team and should be more concerned with the players safety than the game of football.
It seems like you haven’t researched Tua’s career much outside of 2022 and now. Tua has had had 5 concussions if you go back to Alabama days in 2019. They’re getting worse and you can clearly see the progression. From a football perspective, it doesn’t make much sense to have a player continue to play and get hurt. It’s not good for the team, or him. You said it yourself. He’s going to get another concussion. Worrying about your quarterback like this holds the team back. They have to design the entire offense around him not being touched. (Quick passes, etc) People like Josh Allen, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson and plenty others can be used to extend the play. The fear that Tua is going to get a concussion after every hit is not good for his family, or the organization. Don’t forget he also had a hip injury in college. Tua is very prone to injury. Personally, I’m shocked Miami extended his contract beyond 2 years knowing this. It could be why it took so long for them to make a decision on Tua’s contract.
It felt like in 2023 he was more careful with his health, probably because it was an off-season concern. Last week he was playing like he was before the concussions. I know for me as a Dolphins fan, while I like Tua as a player and as a human being, I'm personally hoping he retires. Even if it set the team back and would force a rebuild, it's tough for me to get too excited about the team because it feels like everything is one (possibly minor looking) hit away from falling apart. I know he doesn't want to quit for his fans and his team, but this whole situation unfortunately puts everyone in an awkward position regardless of his choice.
The situation is complicated though. The conclusion you make with your argument is a very reasonable possibility but your argument is far too simple and one sided. Quality of life, respecting both Tua's lifetime with his family AND his dreams of living out his professional dreams has to be considered. Obviously the results of his latest concussion have to be considered. Then expert opinions have to be formed regarding his career thus far. And the final word should be Tua's, unless there is such a degree of overwhelmingly compelling evidence that he should retire. In that circumstance it would be my sincere hope that the league would step in and declare Tua unfit for competition. But short of that, Tua is the final variable that must be factored into the final picture.
Two seizure on the field from being pushed to the ground, not slammed not a helmet to helmet blow, but simply being pushed, and you telling us take a breath. When he dies on that field, are you going to double down on your take. No one is talking a set number, but having a concussion and your body going into seizure twice in two years. You guys still havent gave us a set reason why athletes off themselves years after they retire.
Tua is only 26 and we have seen him take 4 confirmed hits that led to concussions in the NFL. Thats not including any other unconfirmed let alone his dislocated hip, broken nose and concussion with Bama . With concerns about CTE and how easy it seems for him to get concussions and injured its not unreasonable for people to say he should retire. It just not worth it to keep playing.
I feel bad for Tua, has gone through a lot. At least he had a pay out day. However, if I were in his shoes I would retire. Too dangerous. And as a fan, it feels quite wrong watching someone with this kind of history risking his life like that.
If he ends up crumpled on the field ....I don't want to hear no tears from yall....I'll cry because it was totally avoidable...Hope the best for the dude, but no one can gaslight me into saying that he's not particularly susceptible to these types of injuries and it won't get worse....You gotta save warriors from themselves
Question Doc, How come when Tua is concussed he goes into that fencing posture? A player like Jordan Reed who suffered multiple concussions I’ve never seen him in a fencing posture. But for Tua as soon he take a blow his body fences up
As someone who experienced a tbi and post concussion syndrome for several years- he needs to retire. The memory issues, hippocampus damage, spikes of anger, the space between you and the rest of the world, sometimes losing focus and not knowing it. You're using a lot of words and of course one must respect your expertise. But- theres a small degree if bullshit here. Theres no guarantee if immediate measurable downtrend -but then a steep dropoff. And - first hand knowledge The. Man. Needs. To. Retire. Period.
I like watching football but the end of the day its a sport that people play. Players are human and i always wish the best for them. Hopefully Tua navigates through this challenging times to make the best decision for him amd his family.
As you said, more time is needed. Though I’d lean toward that he doesn’t retire because I believe the issue that is a precursor to his concussions is something he was able to have fixed last season which is how he falls. I beljeve with his concussion yesterday he fell in a way that led to him hitting the back of his head hard on the turf after he initiated contact with Damar Hamlin. I think the after effect from him contacting Hamlin led to him falling on the back of his head and instead if he didn’t fall that way he probably stays in the game
As a former player I have had somewhere between 3-4 concussions and a lot of sub-concussive hits during all the hitting we did in the 70's. I agree with the doc that it is Tua's decision but as I studied CTE and the long-term effects that can follow into later life, that is the risk that we all take playing football. Pray for Tua and his future.
SOOOOoooo.. this is weird. While I really respect and appreciate Dr. Sutterer urging patience and reason, I'm very confused why he doesn't hedge more strongly against Tua playing. Brian's thought process is basically that because current tests can't tell you exactly how bad your quality of life will be after each concussion and because there isn't a magic number of concussions that should disqualify you, that calls for Tua to retire are a bit of a reach. But isn't that part of the whole danger of concussions, CTE, etc? That most don't know the impacts until it's too late; until players neurological health deteriorates or until they pass away. What we do know is that these brain injuries aren't good. And that atheletes who have more frequent or more violent head traumas tend not to fair as well later in life. I respect that Tua and his doctors have to make the decision, but the idea that Tua shouldn't consider retirement more than any other player seems to be a hard sell
His thought process was that we don't have the same information that Tua and his doctors do after the prior concussions and this one, so we aren't qualified to speak on it one way or the other.
Thank you for doing these videos. Your explanations help us non-medically trained people understand better what is going on with the person's body. Looking at the video it is definitely scary and dramatic.
dude tua needs to retire period. Its not 3 concussions , he had one at bama too. its like 5 concussions one more head shot and he could literally die on the field. retire tua
It this a joke? He's obviously had more concussions than the ones 'we've seen. However, a concussion that makes you black out or stiffens the body is a definite sign of a more significant impact to the brain than a far less visible concussion. Its not a 100 percent correlation, but it is definitely a significant data point and does speak to the significance of the potential injury.
I get that about Tua and the money except the thing is he has already made generational wealth with $70 plus the $43 million guaranteed even for injury this season. If he plays out his contract and makes the other $150+ million, sure, that doubles his wealth, but in the scheme of things, that simply doesn't make a difference. Perhaps equally as important, his wide, kids, and family (except his dad, fuck that loser) would do much better without stressing and worrying if Tua will be get hurt again in the same way and become someone who is not Tua. That would be soul crushing for his family regardless of how wealthy they are. 5 concussions with one where he faints immediately afterwards, two where he exhibits the fencing response, and one where they had to cart him off, is just way too many in his short what 6 year playing career??
Don't forget the money he was made with advertisements deals. What is the point of making more if he gets hurt and isn't around to spend it or be with his family
No Brian I'm not going to stop telling him to retire he's had 5 concussions and been KO'd twice and refuses to quit playing like he's 6'6 250. Obviously it's his choice but athletes often need to be told by others it's probably time to stop before it's too late. He's financially set for life and I'm sure he could get on to a coaching staff if he wants to stay in football someway but continuing to risk his own health at this point with how prone he is to concussions and other injuries it's just absurd.
I don't need an MD to exercise common sense, and we all know what the right decision is. If, at this point, its still "totally up to Tua" then what the hell are NFL safety protocols even for? Why bother even having a medial tent or impartial doctors looking at these guys? I mean I get it, it's all a song and dance to make it look like the NFL cares when we all know they don't. I'm not naive. But you're a doctor so, I got a question. At what point do we tell players they *must* hang it up? After they no longer have a pulse? Help me out with that one.
@@rohanshah7559having irrational tantrums, suicidal thoughts, depression and not remembering the name of his kids by the time his 40 won't really make him happy
@notundermywatch3163 oh yeah he’s gonna be miserable for sure. But he might decide that’s worth it if he can hold on to his dream for a few more years in his 20s. Just cuz we wouldnt do it, doesn’t mean we can apply our logic to him
How so? Are you saying we have all been taught wrong in medicine? This is the current teaching with concussions. We don’t just watch a video and say ‘oh no you need to retire for good’
If only we had a sport like boxing or UFC where we could watch people get knocked out all the time and be fine and continue to participate in that sport.........
Answers in medicine are very rarely yes or no. You just ignored the several pieces of contextual information he went through in detail and ran straight to the comments to make an ignorant comment.
I think Dale Jr showed it best in NASCAR. He had like 5 concussions in his career. He always recovered from his concussions, but never truly got back to 100% Eventually you have to look at your future
Dude isn’t trying to burn his bridge with the NFL. If he had more information that apparently can’t be found out or given, he might suggest he retires. Saying you can’t be sure if Tua has CTE just on his injuries alone is stupid. No, yeah, he’ll probably have no long term effects from three massive head injuries, that makes sense. You don’t need a medical degree to see that, but you do need one to sit on the fence and make excuses for the NFL, I guess. I like your channel, but this is just lame. Didn’t even talk about the mechanics of the injury, spent the whole time trying to convince us that Tua could be just fine to keep playing. And throwing shade at people who actually know what it’s like to be a player and the pain that is living with concussion effects is crazy. They’re looking out for Tua more than these doctors.
Not reassuring to see doctors talking like this as he’s getting evaluated on playing next week. If this is the thought process for every doctor he talks to, he might suffer even more.
I'm not positive and not a Dr, but I've seen what appears to be 5 concussions for Tua. Counting at least 1 in college and the 2nd that was called a back injury. Also, can you clarify the part about posturing may not a sign of severity. We have been hearing for years that fencing/posturing is a sign of a severe concussion. That is not true?
Tua has had four concussions, not three. Also, the narrative about needing to "provide for his family" needs to die. The man is a millionaire. His family is provided for several times over.
#1 no shit it’s his decision - thanks for making a video basically just repeating that over and over. #2 he has enough money to support himself and his family for the rest of his life #3 he could already have horrible brain injuries He should retire, it’s not that crazy to say this. A Dr with this take is almost depressing
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My concern is that he's not changing his game to protect himself from these injuries. I get that he was trying to get a first down, but he needs to know he can't play like that and invite those injuries. Slide, or try to avoid the guy in front of you instead of trying to truck him. The whole thing was avoidable.
He already had the first down. He didn't need any extra yards. It should have never happened
He did change his game last year. Not sure what happened here.
@@jmpayne333 Three interceptions happened, including one which was returned for a touchdown. Game conditions clouded his judgement.
He did change his game, he learned martial art falling techniques to protect his head and gained some weight. Issue is that he threw 3 picks and had to put the team on his shoulders
Should not run into the defender with your head tucked down
4 concussions in HS, 1 in college ball. Wish I retired after the first, I'm 26, and I still have constant headaches and forgetfulness. Health is tenfold times more important than any sport accolade.
Doesn't mean that Tua is feeling or will ever feel those same symptoms
@@officergreg1318 he 100% is and will
@@patrickhouse9005 why are you commenting under a video you haven't watched. If you actually listened to the person who diagnoses this shit for a living you'd know that's not true
Maybe youre just stupid?
@@officergreg1318It's could take awhile to start feeling the effects, but you mentally won't be the same
Dr. Sutterer: “I think we all need to take a breath here and take a step back…”
Comment section: “Absolutely fucking not”
I just view it as. If something worse happens then everyone will blame the nfl for not doing anything to stop him
With everything that we know about head injuries and CTE, and Tua's history, how can we?
Not as serious as you think NFL has you fooled all big storylines
@@johnwillett3439idk maybe listen to the doctor? Feel like he knows more than us what he's talking about lol
I wish I quit in early high school after the 4th diagnosed concussion. I can feel the effects in my early 30s. I dread my later years.
@MasonSkyline Some short term memory issues, yeah. Mainly it's sleep regulation and emotional control though. I see therapists for both because it has such a huge impact on me and those around me.
Soft
@@youngnas15 Good to see you can type four letters with the mental disabilities you face daily. Keep your head up and keep trying, as that's what's important. Good luck in life and blessings.
@@nexttonull4010 soft
The fact that you're aware of it and getting help for it is a good sign. Stay safe bro
post concussion syndrome is a living nightmare, I hope this young man has a healthy environment to help him make the right decision
Unfortunately he doesn’t. From interviews and other sources, Tua has said his father has practically forced him to play football all his life, which Tua does because he doesn’t want to disappoint his demanding and prideful family. He will continue risking his health and life just to make his parents happy.
@@purpleyeti7440 And unfortunately, that will leave him in a box 6 feet under
I have had 5 concussions from football. Played tackle from 2nd grade up through high school. Was supposed to play in college but after my 5th concussion senior year of high school I couldn’t find any doctor to clear me to continue playing. I saw three different doctors after my fourth concussion, and i wasn’t cleared to play again until I saw the third doctor. And even he told me he probably shouldn’t clear me and was going against his better judgement.
Two years ago I got my sixth concussion in a freak accident. Since that concussion, I have never been the same. My head feels like a balloon that’s gonna explode 24/7, for over two years. I used to be deans list at a good university, and now I can barely type a paragraph or look at screens.
It’s not worth it. If I could go back I wouldn’t play. As someone who is/was a DIEHARD football fan, i will never allow my kids to play this game. As amazing as the game is, it’s just not worth it. You don’t realize the effects multiple head injuries has on you until it’s too late….
I don't think people are talking enough about his decision making on the field. Dude led head first into Damar Hamlin, when Hamlin was basically just standing there in the way. Why would a QB do that? Why not just slide? If he is incapable of making choices to protect his health and live to play another down maybe he isn't fit to play in the NFL.
For me the most concerning thing is his decision making. Bro is out there likes he’s a prime Cam Newton. You ain’t 6’5” 245lbs bro you’re like 6’1” 205lbs you can’t run over a god damn safety 😂
Plenty of 205 6’1” players could run over a safety
Plenty of players could take a basic RB/WR hit without getting a posturing concussion
@@ravendecoux all you’ve done is prove you don’t know ball. No 6’1 205 QB is running over a safety in the open field. But even at that you missed the point; he makes poor decisions that frequently put him in dangerous situations. We’ve seen it in other plays where he got concussions as well by holding the ball to long trying to extend plays.
@@brockjensen2473 how tall is Mike Alstott?
Go choose another sport you wanna be reporter 😂
@@ravendecoux Exactly. He ran into a stationary safety's bicep and collapsed. That alone is a terrible sign
@@WindigoMac Hamlin could’ve even gone into the tackle but he literally tried to grab Tua and make the play safer. It’s scary when you saw worse hits from diving catches etc. yet Tua is the one who goes down on a play most RBs see multiple times a game.
can I tell Tua I don’t want to see him die on the field
Underrated comment! Let the Doc come with authority and tell us we wrong
Most people don’t die from getting a concussion, it can cause symptoms to death, like mental problems, but damar’s injury is 10x worse and he’s doing just fine
@@RenzaissanceTV Damar experienced comotio cordis which is an event not anything chronic. CTE is real and so is second impact syndrome.
Yes. Tell a guy to walk away from something he's worked for his whole life, because his pain is a nuisance to YOUR NFL viewing experience.
Really helpful for Tua to hear how his decisions are affecting YOU.
@RenzaissanceTV Damar died from an event that would be akin to a gunshot wound or a shark attack. It's a one-time, high trauma event. Concussions are a different matter. Once you're concussed, your brain never goes back to normal. It's been permanently changed, not massively, but permanently. Concussions also raise the risk for CTE, which can have destroy your life, family, etc. Just because Damar came back from an injury doesn't mean Tua will. Not all injuries are the same.
Agreed, all up to Tua, his family, and his doctors, it probably will take time to make a firm decision but the decision isn't up to us, it's up to Tua at the end of the day
Of course it's not up to us, this argument is being disingenuous. People are worried for his health and want him to stay safe this is why they are saying to retire. It doesn't come from "we know better about his health"
He needs to retire for his health. Not for us.
@@AlenAbdulathe fact is you have no idea what his health is like. There’s players who have had more concussions that people don’t tell to retire. Leave the man alone
@@azieldaly2965you have no idea what his health is like. That’s the problem and that’s what this video is saying.
@@icey2203 repeat severe cuncussions is a clear indicator of his "health". You don't wait until you start showing CTE symptoms to stop.
I’m sorry for nitpicking, but you keep saying he had a concussion last year. His last concussion was in 2022. Either way, I always appreciate the expertise you provide about injuries. 🙏
4 NFL and 1 in college, how many in high school?
At the end of the day, He needs to At least be told the risk of continuing to play before making a decision. If he takes a risk and keeps playing so be it, it’s his decision.
He didn't say that he shouldn't have this discussion. He said that it needs to wait, until he's through the worst of it.
I'm sure he was told of the risks of continuing to play after the first concussion. And then after the second and then after the third and now especially after the fourth. Foo just needs to learn how to slide 🤦
But Tua can’t take care of himself if he has brain damage. It will be the responsibility of his family.
he knows the risks
@@jmg999what is “the worst of it”? Genuinely asking
I was halfway through the video, then it went private. I was like, "Dang, Google got opinions on Tua."
For reals 😂😂
Old one had visual glitches lol
Changed the title too
@@cqgator Ah, so it wasn't just me then. 😅
@@burnerbill7372 What is there agenda or goal
(5) total concussion in his football career. (1) in college, (3) in 2022 season, (1) last night.. I’m not a doctor but wish him the best in whatever decision he makes.
The fact that he gets concussed repeatedly in a very severe manner on plays that others can just shake off should tell you something. If Tua ruptured a ligament over and over, he'd retire immediately. His brain is even more important than a ligament, so the answer should be clear.
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Lots of players have multiple achilles, ACL, UCL, etc tears. Pitchers get 3+ Tommy John surgeries. Running backs have multiple knee surgeries for the same injuries. Nick Chubb's knees have been completely exploded multiple times, and he's on the Browns right now. Guys play through injuries.
@@josheastwold5360 and they all severely pay for it years later
@@RandomAccounts-o4k Everyone's body breaks down eventually. You get to decide how dangerous you want your job to be in America...
@@RandomAccounts-o4k Just ask Lou Gehrig after his history of head injuries and concussions….
Browns 3 time Pro Bowler star corner Denzel Ward suffered his 5th concussion since 2018 this past training camp and no made a fuss about having him retire. Odd to see all this pressure on Tua and no one caring about Ward.
Ward isn’t a QB
I’m sorry about that people should have cared about DW and everyone who gets injured playing football or any sport. Anytime any person gets seriously hurt like Tua Denzel Hamlin etc they all have to make a conscious choice to either play again or not whether the risk is worth the benefit. They just weigh the rewards now vs what could happen later. I hope we can help all athletes in the future and give them the resources to make the best possible decisions.
@@jerseyguy8257does it matter?
@@jerseyguy8257so what?
Because nobody saw it happen and just browns fans and a few other people even know about that.. Tua is a well known player and his concussions happened in a game for everyone to see and 2 of his concussions had his body stiff and his hands doing these weird things so it‘s a lot more shocking to the people seeing this
He has enough money for a lifetime and to take care of him and his family. It ain’t worth it and he needs to live the rest of his life as healthy as possible. Live life Tua
Exactly
But this his passion though
I agree. No need to gamble at this point.
@@moalston4203 yeah that’s tough. We’ll see but wish him the best regardless of his decision. Always hate to see the long-term effects of concussions on those who play this sport
He currently has enough for his grandkids to live good lives but if he keeps playing his entire bloodline could be rich 500 years from now
Less about him needing to retire because of injury for me. He is not learning from his mistakes he keeps putting himself in harms way more than necessary.
If Tua was my friend, brother or son, I would be begging him to retire. Other coaches and players are calling for him to retire because they see that this is different, what Tua is going through is not normal. While I always appreciate the explanation from the view of a sports doctor, we all know deep down that this is different. We aren't talking about his knee here, we are talking about his brain and spine. His career earnings are $73 million so far, hopefully he saved enough to allow him to move on. He can go on TV, coach, anything. But we all know this is different.
@@chrisbishop3716 100% this is different. Not only that he has no clue how to slide or take a tackle.
It's only different that the whole NFL saw his symptoms in 4K and Slow-motion.
If I were his friend, I'd tell him that I'll support whatever decision you go with, even if we don't agree. It's not mine or anybody else's place to make those decisions for you.
And if he asks what I would like him to do, I'd say walking away with the millions you've made that will be able to support your family for generations and with as much of your head in-tact as possible is the best decision to me.
@VeeeGeeee and if he chose to keep playing despite that advice, we would support him in that decision too, instead of trying to force our values onto him. I would retire if I was in his spot, but I hate people coming on here and spouting about what’s important to them personally, as if that’s at all relevant to Tua
the question is whether he should still be given another chance to see if he'll change his approach to the game. future head injuries are inevitable if he continues, but i feel that a slight change, even just wearing a legacy helmet, goes a long way. if he really has respect for his team and family, he should take those measures more seriously.
@hanson2331 I think that’s probably the right take… Tua should be allowed to come back if he wants to, but he needs to take the proper safety measures, like wearing a guardian cap and learning to slide. Things like that to prove that he actually understands the gravity of his situation
Homie had 4 concussions last season if we count the one they tried to hide as a neck shoulder injury
That wasnt last season
2 seasons ago but ya, he's had 4 not 3 and a "back injury".
@@spoogtastiche had one at Bama when he dislocated his hip
@@sullyproductions5757 yup thats what’s causing him to continue having them, All cuz that 1 play, I remember he just had ankle surgery, and he ends up having career ending hip injury, broken nose, and a concussion, like dude had the worst of luck, I really don’t know how he’s playing after that hip injury smh…
The fact this has so many likes just shows how reactionary everyone is to news. He played all 18 games last season without a single injury.
This is why the NFL needs to start penalizing OFFENSIVE players for leading with the crown of their helmet. To be clear, as the rule is written, they should be, but refs almost never enforce it this way.
Offensive players do this so often, and it's the primarily cause of contact to the helmet. When the target you're trying to tackle lowers himself and scrunches up as small as possible to brace for impact, it is nearly impossible for a defender to not hit that target in the head or neck area, which is the primary point the offensive player is leading with.
If the league actually enforced this penalty on offensive players, they'd be much less likely to do this, and you'd see a significant decline in concussions. It would also make the game fairer all around if both offense and defense have to play by the same rules.
@user-gx8dl1dt2y This needs to be front and center for the NFL. Agree 100% with what you have outlined here.
An offensive playing shouldn’t lead with their head? They are running forward.. it’s up to the defender how they tackle an offensive player not the other way around.
@@azcardguy7825 Is the defender not running forward?
@@user-gx8dl1dt2y completely different when the defender is the person attempting to make a tackle. They have the control over the hit, not the offensive player.
@@azcardguy7825 Is the defender not running forward?
What about the fact that since 2019 he’s had 5 instead of the 3 that you said? He’s had 5, and they all seem to get worse and worse and a lot easier for him to get them. It wasn’t even a rough hit last night and he still got concussed.
Edit, and I know you can easily say why not stop at 6? Well if that’s the case let’s go extreme, what if damar dies on the field and comes back to life again, would you say we HAVE to stop saying damar should retire?
What is happening is the brain is being trained to protect itself more and more each time and they will get to the point he will get them easier. He needs to wear that sleeve for the helmet.
the hit last night WAS rough there's no way anyone on the planet wouldn't at least be dazed
@@staxbeeburner4757 damar didn’t lead the hit, it was tua who lead with his head like if he was a running back or something.
It’s been determined that it is not necessary to have a concussion to cause CTE or worsen it. With each hit to the head, more and more brain damage occurs.
@@ivancatalan373 ok my point still stands
I am sorry if the guy can’t take a hit he shouldn’t be playing. Tua brother. You have a beautiful wife and child at home. I am sure you want to spend a healthy life with them. Former NHL player Patrick Horngvist had multiple concussions during his career which made him retire. If you’re gonna play atleast SLIDE and not DIVE.
This! He doesn't know how to play safe. The push tacle from cople years ago had him hut back of his head and he could have just turned and taken impact with his chest.
i mean qbs take hard hits sliding and diving. i don’t know the numbers on this, but i’ve heard it’s actually safe to dive.
@@stimpaxx feet first not head first, he's clueless on protecting himself
@@stimpaxxhe didnt dive he trucked into the guy head first like a rb fuckin nuts considering the circumstances
@@evaneiler4333 yeah idk wtf is wrong with this guy
I understand what you are saying, but because of my personal experience, it's hard for me to not feel like he should retire.
I've had what many would consider to be an extreme amount of concussions with loss of consciousness (I lost count at about 20-25). I always had about the same reaction, headache, dizziness, and fatigue for 1-3 weeks and then I felt fine. I didn't consider concussions as overly serious. That was until my last concussion which caused me to suffer a TBI.
I had a roll over accident and suffered what I thought was "just a concussion" but as 3 weeks turned into 6 weeks and my symptoms seemed to be getting worse not better I was sent to a neurologist who did a brain MRI. My Doctor was very surprised when the results showed definite and significant damage in the brain. I was also put through a full neuropsych battery of tests which allowed my neurologist to officially diagnose me with a TBI.
It's been over 2 years and I am still on disability, I struggle to go out in public, I've developed chronic health problems (chronic fatigue, chronic pain, etc). I can't prove that all of my previous concussions contributed to my TBI, but I definitely believe they did. Maybe I've swung too far in the opposite direction with my concerns about concussions, but it's not something to play with in my book.
It's not my place to tell Tua what he should or shouldn't do. But knowing how much this has destroyed my life, I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
I'm sorry that you're going through this, sending love
This isn't like it was 20 years ago. Each time trauma occurs they go into protocol, a brain examination is done each time.
What happened to you is unfortunate, but Tua is fortunate to have access to the best doctors while also needing to follow strict medical rules to be allowed to play.
It is his doctor's decision, and if he doesn't follow that, the NFL will surely step in.
what do you do that caused all that concussions? are you an athlete? fighter?
@@WutTheDeuceGaming Science has not progressed that much in last 20 years regarding brain examination. A quick memory and eye tracking test on the sideline is not a comprehensive test, not to mention that NFL doctors and admins have the same incentive: keep good players on the field at all moments, especially QBs. It's not a secret that QBs sell tickets and drive up ratings.
So what I'm trying to say is that having access to the best doctors doesn't make a big difference in terms of long term brain health
@@MHNK77 nope, just dumb and clumsy mixed with a dash (ok more like a dump) of stupidity. . . 😂
Doc is feeling the heat already changed the title twice💀
1)Stop telling Tua to retire
2)What's next for Tua
3)Should Tua retire?
Could very well be as you said, Francis, but remember, these days, videos are put out simultaneously with different titles and thumbnails to see with combinations perform the best (esp. for new videos).
The uneducated masses think they know more than doctors.
@@jefffuhr2393 I've noticed that too, on several channels I follow.
In Boxing you see this "knocked out stiff" look or "Zombie" knock-out.
The recommended form of recovery in the gyms is a full year.
Dr if Tua was your son would you recommend that he continue to play or retire
his thoughts about his son is obviously gonna be different…
@theshivelyshow5784 are you is representative? So why are you giving me your opinion 🤔 of what someone else opinion would be.... even tho you don't know the Dr
@@Iamjustavibe i just have common sense
Well that's why he says it is a decision that Tua would have to make with his family.
You're trying to reach something that doesn't exist...a doctors soul...
Let me say it for you Doc. He should be done! Tua is listed at 225 lb. Hamlin is listed at 200 lb. He's running full steam and hits the man's arm with his helmet. Hamlin should have been knocked back and no way should Tua end up with a concussion from the arm of a DB. If that's all it takes to get him down he should have retired last year.
We get it. He's on your fantasy team
Of course that's what you believe but it's still up to the individual to decide to play football and I said two should retire years ago and it has nothing to do with his concussions is because he is injury prone as hell. His body is not meant to play football, but everybody wants to use concussion as an excuse.
@@justtimes9257bro he's joking
@@justtimes9257 It's not that deep, bro
he's on mine too
No hes dropped
Doctors pontificating on something that 100% has zero effect on their own health, life, or family but could have catastrophic effects on someone else.
The only reason why everyone is talking about Tua retiring is because he himself said he contemplated retirement after his 2nd concussion back in 2022.
I completely disagree with the notion that the decision should be different whether or not the player is professional or in a position to go pro… that’s the equivalent of assigning a dollar figure to someone’s life. I was pretty shocked to hear this guy say that.
Dr brian I appreciate your medical videos Im definitely learning 📕 more about the human body. I believe that tua shouldn't retired I believe that once he has a full recovery he should keep playing but I believe that the Miami dolphins 🐬 are going to look for a backup QB
Tua needs to retire!
Are you a doctor?
4 brain injuries in 5 years you don’t really need a doc to see he should stop
Because of his concussion history or cuz he's trash?
Someone didn't read the title
People are going to be stupid even when a doctor speaks. 🤦🏽♂️
It’s sad this man cannot walk away HEALTHY, his body is telling him to retire from football, gonna be a very sad outcome with the next concussion & believe it , there will be another one!!!
I had my bell rung and nearly passed out from a very bad concussion, and that’s all it took for me to step away from football. Granted I wasn’t getting a monetary incentive like Tua and other NFL players, but choosing your health is important. I think Tua will comeback from this injury and keep playing. In my opinion he should retire and spend the rest of his life with his family. Maybe those closest will protect him from himself. Prayers up!
Let's be real: the "recommended" number of concussions is 0. Football players get paid to take head shots. Pretending otherwise is foolish.
The idea that the NFL itself would step in and shut Tua down is crazy, and I'm surprised that even former NFL players are now calling for it. How would that even work? Is that even legal?
If he's physically unfit to play, they don't let him play. Of course it's legal for someone to fail a medical exam. Lol.
They can do it if they want. They can suspend a player even if charges are dropped with the for the good of the nfl or however it’s phrased clause. If they feel like him getting concussed repeatedly on tv is a detriment to the league they won’t let him play anymore. Do u really think the nfl and the owners are going to let 1 qb get in the way of all that sweet tv money? Spoiler alert they won’t
The NFL can and should stop anyone who is not physically fit from playing. Actually, it is a good idea.
@selanryn5849 I think what soulchorea was referring to but did not accurately verbalize was 'what it would look like if Tua asked out of his contract for medical purposes.'
Who would owe whom, would dolphins receive a compensatory pick, and what the leagues role would be in Tuas resignation.
@@johniec5282 How would they be able to say he's not physically fit *if he's medically cleared? My comment was made assuming he's going to get medically cleared to return (because if not then why would the league have to step in). So assuming he gets cleared and wants to return, how is the league going to be able to step in and say he's not physically fit to play? Steve Young had like 7 concussions so like Dr. S said there's no max number they can impose here
I’ve never seen another football player posture like that after a concussion and I think that’s why it’s so scary looking. I’ve seen the dazed look ( where am I look) but not posturing / fencing like he does. Many football players get cte and or dementia at an early age. I think he should retire because no amount of money is worth your health!!
Great analysis on the complexities involved with these head injuries. Appreciate all the information you provide to clarify the recovery process.
If I were his father and he were my son I would do everything in my power to convince him to retire. He's made more money than many generations of families can even dream of. He can still make alot money as an analyst because he seems like he has a nice personality. He's had at least 4 concussions and if I'm not mistaken he's had 2 in one game.
You keep saying that Tua has had "three concussions." He's had a LOT more than that. Every time he hits the back of his head on the turf and that works out to many more than three concussions. Bottom line? It's not just about concussions with Tua. He's extremely injury prone going all the way back to college. And his father used to beat him if he threw an interception. Think about that.
I don’t think it’s unwarranted or out of line for people to say Tua should retire. Maybe the timing is not optimal, but this conversation is worth having for the sake of general player health and right now will be the peak of attention.
Obviously the choice will be his but if I was in his circle I would strongly suggest retirement.
McDaniel put out a statement saying Tua’s future should be the last thing on his mind, but in my opinion it should be the first thing on mostly everyone’s mind. Tua has to go through the process and collect himself to decide something big like this. But this is his life people are trying to advocate for. We know of mang instances where football players have gone back into games knowing their bell is rung. With small exception they are going to want to play until their body physically cannot go.
Playing every snap for multiple NFL seasons is going to give you CTE sooner or later. That’s just part of the consequences of playing football.
We don’t know the exact details, and every athlete is different. But more concussions is worse. Just because we don’t know where the line is doesn’t mean there isn’t a line somewhere.
Much appreciated insight. I think we all support(or at least should) support any decision he makes, when he's talked to whomever is important to him, and whenever he feels comfortable enough to make it. A lot of the optics, though, are focused on his fingers curling up. How much is that a concern? When you look at almost any of his passes, his fingers are curled in a very similar manner. I've just been very curious about this. TIA
He's had more than three.
Obviously. The early ones were not recognized and counted
I know you’re a Dr and very clearly have more experience and knowledge than the average and above average person but I have to disagree. We all see what’s going on with him and there’s no way that if this happens to him again that he’s going to be ok. He needs to retire and focus on other aspects of his life. We all see with our eyes that his concussions are nasty and will be detrimental to his health. We’re all concerned for him
Well doc , this is the first video i had to dislike.
4/5 concussions in 2.5 years is evidence enough that this man clearly needs to stop. What more do you want? I get it is ultimately up to him but if even fans who never met him are concerned, that speaks volumes. There is nothing wrong with voicing your concerns. Tua seems like he wont stop until he cant play anymore. Any sensible person would stop after the second. There is nothing to take a breathe about or to even talk about.a
It’s not complicated. Retire
You have to remember that decisions about an athlete's career are complex and involve medical professionals, the athlete, and their support system. Tua has access to top-tier medical advice and care, and his decisions are likely based on thorough evaluations and personal passion for the game. Voicing concerns is valid, but ultimately, it's about balancing professional medical advice, personal choice, and understanding the risks involved
Same. He's great and informative but this take isn't it 👎
@@keith2527 lmfao it's capitalism they need him on the field of you think they care you are out of your mind
@@AlenAbdula dude what are you talking about?? Teams and leagues are under significant scrutiny to prioritize player health, partly due to public concern and potential legal ramifications. Players like Tua have personal agency and can choose to prioritize their health, supported by their families and independent medical professionals
Makes us Very curious to know what that post-possible concussion conversation was like after the First incident. In which either party might have downplayed and rushed to decision. We'll probably never know about the conversation and impossible to know "what if", but retrospect makes us wonder how he'd be doing if he'd taken a much more careful route in 2022.
Definitely don’t expect him to make any sort of announcement or alteration in his professional path until probably near the end of or after the season is over. Also, Andrew Luck jersey in the background? Nice!
Would recommend him not listen to a doctor saying not to retire. I think any decent human can say, retire
5th concussion brian not 3 5 Brian
And it’s so consistent. It’s not like he’s been playing for 10 years and only has a concussion every 2 years or so…
It’s not his 5th. It’s his 3rd
Bengals, Green Bay, and the one yesterday
@@eugene3484uhhh pretty sure he had at least 2 in one season, and maybe 1 in college
@@eugene3484 nope had on in Alabama and 2 vs buffalo one vs Bengals and gb that's 5 buddy
I disagree. I think we've seen enough to say Tua should likely retire. The negative affects of getting hit in football, possible CTE and these significant concussions make it the smarter move to take the millions he's already made and have the best quality of life he can. It just stinks that he'd have to give up the sport he loves.
Something you didn't mention in this video, Tua had 2 severe concussion events in the span of 4 days in 2022. This is worse than someone having 5 spread out concussions in their career.
We don't know that for sure. Your claim certainly seems logical and may have statistical support from some perspectives but as Dr. Sutter mentions here, the nature of concussions and individual recoveries differ greatly. Unfortunately it's too hard to get a real good read on the long term affects of serious concussions.
In the old days back in the 70s player safety was a liability to teams and the league and you would have guys taking concussions every week. Some thirty years later we have seen the horrors of this dastardly attitude with players like center Mike Webster who anchored the line for PIttsburgh's dynasty through the 70s and a bit beyond that into the 80s. At the end of his life he was an absolute mess and died likely insane, a merciful fate and that point. Thankfully people have wised up and the hope his that we will see far fewer of these living tragedies from retiring players from hereon.
Lots to think about for Tua. The only rash decision that might be possible for him to make is to come back in the face of irrefutably compelling evidence that mandates he should not. Otherwise I am inclined to back any other choice of his. Hopefully should the evidence for Tua mandate his retirement, the league would step in and declare him medically unfit to play, thus removing the chance of him making that sole inadvisable decision.
Finally someone that has some intelligence regarding Tua!
This injury is helping shed more light on mental health issues. As a survivor and overcomer myself from years of abuse and neglect, fatal blows and being stomped, having actually no one to help stop it has disheartening, and they knew it was a serious problem in da home. Many young kids face same if not worse behind closed doors with some mad evil single mother. Mental and life changing near death injury comes from all parties knowing and not acting faster than they should. My concerns are on major topics dealing with concussions. Everything from head to toe is on high alert, one must take it easy, it's a long battle back to being normal, probably never achieve it because of some many repeated incidents. Nose bleeds, ears ringing, sleep disorder, seeing ghost, disturbed by the paranormal, legs weaken like a boxer legs gives out after being knocked out, NOW IMAGINE THE CHILDREN THAT HAS SUFFERED AND LIVED THROUGH THIS NEGLECT AFTERWARDS.
This is why the NASCAR drivers I know get advice from a neurologist when it comes to head injuries rather than a sports medicine physician. The involuntary movements Tua has displayed with at least two of the concussions are worrisome. He’s not getting just a little dizzy.
Wat?
The last step of the concussion protocol is to be medically cleared by an independent neurologist! Independent as in one that does not work for the NFL or the team and should be more concerned with the players safety than the game of football.
It seems like you haven’t researched Tua’s career much outside of 2022 and now. Tua has had had 5 concussions if you go back to Alabama days in 2019. They’re getting worse and you can clearly see the progression. From a football perspective, it doesn’t make much sense to have a player continue to play and get hurt. It’s not good for the team, or him. You said it yourself. He’s going to get another concussion. Worrying about your quarterback like this holds the team back. They have to design the entire offense around him not being touched. (Quick passes, etc) People like Josh Allen, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson and plenty others can be used to extend the play. The fear that Tua is going to get a concussion after every hit is not good for his family, or the organization. Don’t forget he also had a hip injury in college. Tua is very prone to injury. Personally, I’m shocked Miami extended his contract beyond 2 years knowing this. It could be why it took so long for them to make a decision on Tua’s contract.
Finally a sane take
It felt like in 2023 he was more careful with his health, probably because it was an off-season concern. Last week he was playing like he was before the concussions.
I know for me as a Dolphins fan, while I like Tua as a player and as a human being, I'm personally hoping he retires. Even if it set the team back and would force a rebuild, it's tough for me to get too excited about the team because it feels like everything is one (possibly minor looking) hit away from falling apart. I know he doesn't want to quit for his fans and his team, but this whole situation unfortunately puts everyone in an awkward position regardless of his choice.
1)its a game
2)rich beyond belief
3)has now had multiple concussions.
This isnt complicated, unless you want to make it be.
The situation is complicated though. The conclusion you make with your argument is a very reasonable possibility but your argument is far too simple and one sided. Quality of life, respecting both Tua's lifetime with his family AND his dreams of living out his professional dreams has to be considered. Obviously the results of his latest concussion have to be considered. Then expert opinions have to be formed regarding his career thus far. And the final word should be Tua's, unless there is such a degree of overwhelmingly compelling evidence that he should retire. In that circumstance it would be my sincere hope that the league would step in and declare Tua unfit for competition. But short of that, Tua is the final variable that must be factored into the final picture.
I just want Tua to be healthy and able to enjoy life. To be able to recall things later on in life. Whatever he chooses I wish him all the very best.
I love how everyone in the comments thinks they know better then a doctor, let alone all the doctors around Tua for his entire career
Glad I never played football before and stuck to basketball. I rather be with multiple sprained ankles than concussions.
Thank you for making this video, I've been really disliking the internet and others spamming for him to retire
Same
Yeah, it's only his brain right? People are crazy....
@@jkell411 Listen to Brian instead of your uninformed brain. You're the problem with todays society.
@@jkell411 Listen to Brian instead of your uninformed brain.
Two seizure on the field from being pushed to the ground, not slammed not a helmet to helmet blow, but simply being pushed, and you telling us take a breath. When he dies on that field, are you going to double down on your take. No one is talking a set number, but having a concussion and your body going into seizure twice in two years. You guys still havent gave us a set reason why athletes off themselves years after they retire.
0:46 “It’s crazy that Tua might need to retire while the r*pist in Cleveland will play on Sunday” 😭😭😭
sad sad world
Crazy perspective!
Tua is only 26 and we have seen him take 4 confirmed hits that led to concussions in the NFL. Thats not including any other unconfirmed let alone his dislocated hip, broken nose and concussion with Bama . With concerns about CTE and how easy it seems for him to get concussions and injured its not unreasonable for people to say he should retire. It just not worth it to keep playing.
Geez that original title was a tongue twister
No it’s not your just stupid
Am I crazy or did he change the title??
@@ZxZ-XzX yeah he did
What was the original?
What was the original
I feel bad for Tua, has gone through a lot. At least he had a pay out day. However, if I were in his shoes I would retire. Too dangerous. And as a fan, it feels quite wrong watching someone with this kind of history risking his life like that.
If he ends up crumpled on the field ....I don't want to hear no tears from yall....I'll cry because it was totally avoidable...Hope the best for the dude, but no one can gaslight me into saying that he's not particularly susceptible to these types of injuries and it won't get worse....You gotta save warriors from themselves
Question Doc, How come when Tua is concussed he goes into that fencing posture? A player like Jordan Reed who suffered multiple concussions I’ve never seen him in a fencing posture. But for Tua as soon he take a blow his body fences up
As someone who experienced a tbi and post concussion syndrome for several years- he needs to retire.
The memory issues, hippocampus damage, spikes of anger, the space between you and the rest of the world, sometimes losing focus and not knowing it.
You're using a lot of words and of course one must respect your expertise.
But- theres a small degree if bullshit here. Theres no guarantee if immediate measurable downtrend -but then a steep dropoff.
And - first hand knowledge
The. Man. Needs. To. Retire.
Period.
I like watching football but the end of the day its a sport that people play. Players are human and i always wish the best for them.
Hopefully Tua navigates through this challenging times to make the best decision for him amd his family.
If that was his family member he wouldn’t say the same thing
He might. Family understands best what’s important to someone
Well Tua family is the one who will make the decision, with Tua making the final decision.
Not the doctor and certainly not people on the internet.
If Tua was my brother and this dude was spouting this nonsense trying to convince him to keep playing... train station!
@@Catlife247 you probably have to convince Tua to stop playing, not to continue.
Tua himself would be difficult to convince to retire.
@Catlife247 sure dude.
As you said, more time is needed. Though I’d lean toward that he doesn’t retire because I believe the issue that is a precursor to his concussions is something he was able to have fixed last season which is how he falls. I beljeve with his concussion yesterday he fell in a way that led to him hitting the back of his head hard on the turf after he initiated contact with Damar Hamlin. I think the after effect from him contacting Hamlin led to him falling on the back of his head and instead if he didn’t fall that way he probably stays in the game
His hip injury @ Alabama clearly resulted from his inability to fall when the play was over
Tua should retire and enjoy life with his wife and kids. He is set financially.
As a former player I have had somewhere between 3-4 concussions and a lot of sub-concussive hits during all the hitting we did in the 70's. I agree with the doc that it is Tua's decision but as I studied CTE and the long-term effects that can follow into later life, that is the risk that we all take playing football. Pray for Tua and his future.
SOOOOoooo.. this is weird. While I really respect and appreciate Dr. Sutterer urging patience and reason, I'm very confused why he doesn't hedge more strongly against Tua playing. Brian's thought process is basically that because current tests can't tell you exactly how bad your quality of life will be after each concussion and because there isn't a magic number of concussions that should disqualify you, that calls for Tua to retire are a bit of a reach. But isn't that part of the whole danger of concussions, CTE, etc?
That most don't know the impacts until it's too late; until players neurological health deteriorates or until they pass away.
What we do know is that these brain injuries aren't good. And that atheletes who have more frequent or more violent head traumas tend not to fair as well later in life. I respect that Tua and his doctors have to make the decision, but the idea that Tua shouldn't consider retirement more than any other player seems to be a hard sell
His thought process was that we don't have the same information that Tua and his doctors do after the prior concussions and this one, so we aren't qualified to speak on it one way or the other.
Thank you for doing these videos. Your explanations help us non-medically trained people understand better what is going on with the person's body. Looking at the video it is definitely scary and dramatic.
dude tua needs to retire period. Its not 3 concussions , he had one at bama too. its like 5 concussions one more head shot and he could literally die on the field. retire tua
It this a joke? He's obviously had more concussions than the ones 'we've seen. However, a concussion that makes you black out or stiffens the body is a definite sign of a more significant impact to the brain than a far less visible concussion. Its not a 100 percent correlation, but it is definitely a significant data point and does speak to the significance of the potential injury.
I get that about Tua and the money except the thing is he has already made generational wealth with $70 plus the $43 million guaranteed even for injury this season. If he plays out his contract and makes the other $150+ million, sure, that doubles his wealth, but in the scheme of things, that simply doesn't make a difference. Perhaps equally as important, his wide, kids, and family (except his dad, fuck that loser) would do much better without stressing and worrying if Tua will be get hurt again in the same way and become someone who is not Tua. That would be soul crushing for his family regardless of how wealthy they are. 5 concussions with one where he faints immediately afterwards, two where he exhibits the fencing response, and one where they had to cart him off, is just way too many in his short what 6 year playing career??
Don't forget the money he was made with advertisements deals. What is the point of making more if he gets hurt and isn't around to spend it or be with his family
Dr. Sutterer working overtime for us 🙏
No Brian I'm not going to stop telling him to retire he's had 5 concussions and been KO'd twice and refuses to quit playing like he's 6'6 250. Obviously it's his choice but athletes often need to be told by others it's probably time to stop before it's too late. He's financially set for life and I'm sure he could get on to a coaching staff if he wants to stay in football someway but continuing to risk his own health at this point with how prone he is to concussions and other injuries it's just absurd.
I don't need an MD to exercise common sense, and we all know what the right decision is. If, at this point, its still "totally up to Tua" then what the hell are NFL safety protocols even for? Why bother even having a medial tent or impartial doctors looking at these guys? I mean I get it, it's all a song and dance to make it look like the NFL cares when we all know they don't. I'm not naive. But you're a doctor so, I got a question. At what point do we tell players they *must* hang it up? After they no longer have a pulse? Help me out with that one.
He had 5 not 3
Bro got five concussions. We need to stop pretending his Alabama concussion and his “back injury” didn’t count.
I'd like him to have a long life with his family
Sports ball be damned
@frankthetank520 it’s a good sentiment, but Tua doesn’t care what you think. What you want for him might not be what makes him happy
@@rohanshah7559having irrational tantrums, suicidal thoughts, depression and not remembering the name of his kids by the time his 40 won't really make him happy
@notundermywatch3163 oh yeah he’s gonna be miserable for sure. But he might decide that’s worth it if he can hold on to his dream for a few more years in his 20s. Just cuz we wouldnt do it, doesn’t mean we can apply our logic to him
Doc, seriously cmon man. Disappointed with this video
This is more than just "yeah he's good to continue playing," though. Your vids are usually really good but this entirely misses the mark IMO.
How so? Are you saying we have all been taught wrong in medicine? This is the current teaching with concussions. We don’t just watch a video and say ‘oh no you need to retire for good’
If only we had a sport like boxing or UFC where we could watch people get knocked out all the time and be fine and continue to participate in that sport.........
Answers in medicine are very rarely yes or no. You just ignored the several pieces of contextual information he went through in detail and ran straight to the comments to make an ignorant comment.
I think Dale Jr showed it best in NASCAR. He had like 5 concussions in his career. He always recovered from his concussions, but never truly got back to 100% Eventually you have to look at your future
5th concussion
Dude isn’t trying to burn his bridge with the NFL. If he had more information that apparently can’t be found out or given, he might suggest he retires. Saying you can’t be sure if Tua has CTE just on his injuries alone is stupid. No, yeah, he’ll probably have no long term effects from three massive head injuries, that makes sense. You don’t need a medical degree to see that, but you do need one to sit on the fence and make excuses for the NFL, I guess. I like your channel, but this is just lame. Didn’t even talk about the mechanics of the injury, spent the whole time trying to convince us that Tua could be just fine to keep playing. And throwing shade at people who actually know what it’s like to be a player and the pain that is living with concussion effects is crazy. They’re looking out for Tua more than these doctors.
Not reassuring to see doctors talking like this as he’s getting evaluated on playing next week. If this is the thought process for every doctor he talks to, he might suffer even more.
We’re not telling him what to do. We’re just worried about him and merely suggesting.
Love your coverage. Thank you for this!
I'm not positive and not a Dr, but I've seen what appears to be 5 concussions for Tua. Counting at least 1 in college and the 2nd that was called a back injury. Also, can you clarify the part about posturing may not a sign of severity. We have been hearing for years that fencing/posturing is a sign of a severe concussion. That is not true?
Would you quit playing football Brian with 5 concussion since 2019 and 4 in 2 years
I would quit after signing that guarantee contract. No point in being brain dead or suffer long term effects when older
@@KingAllpha321 90 million guaranteed if he walks away right now
Favre had way more Concussions and never missed a game for 20 years
Including 2 in the span of 4 days
I appreciate this measures take, and it’s also where I land. In the end, it’s going to be a decision between Tua and his family.
Tua has had four concussions, not three.
Also, the narrative about needing to "provide for his family" needs to die. The man is a millionaire. His family is provided for several times over.
nov 2020, 3 in 2022 and the other night.....that is just the known ones
#1 no shit it’s his decision - thanks for making a video basically just repeating that over and over.
#2 he has enough money to support himself and his family for the rest of his life
#3 he could already have horrible brain injuries
He should retire, it’s not that crazy to say this. A Dr with this take is almost depressing