@AlwaysKeepCalm7 With Ugarte Collyer needing minutes. The Saudi transfer window is longer, maybe Casemiro might leave. Can't see him on high wages stay to not be a starter
It's funny how y'all are writing off Casemiro. He was great in his first season and had a shitty one last season. Just like most Utd players. Casemiro and Ugarte as DM's is squad depth in that department. Rotating between these two will help us a lot this season.
Yes he's the DM version of Licha and we definitely need more players with warrior mentality, back in the old days we used to have players like Vidic and Park
If it’s a loan. Ugarte doesn’t sign a permanent United contract till next year. So performances depending his salary and contract length can be adjusted next year. If bad then his wages will be lowered.
That isn't how these deals work...Ugarte would be required to sign pre-contractual terms to commence at an agreed Transaction Date next Summer. Man United would likely simply pay his PSG Wage in the meantime.
I do not understand this buy. When United already had the potencial to get best number six in world in Yoro. Let Casemiro learn him this year and he gonna be the best number six in the world. Then you can go and buy Brandtwait and next year buy even Silva from Benfica.
This is best option as we’re paying nothing for ugarte now so if we sell mctominay we can use those funds to get amrabat aswell then our depth is looking really good or in a fantasy world if we sell mctominay and sancho we could have the funds to get branthwaite
@@JakeyMufc78with obligations they’re can be negotiated into part of the final fee. So we say €5mil loan fee could mean we only pay €45/55mil or whatever when we actually cough up the cash
What great business.. the level of business negotiation and contractual skill on display under INEOS is like night & day compared to past decade of United.
Spot on. They have been superb in their actions. I love it when firm, and decisive, decision making, is being displayed, whilst PATIENCE is also used with the more delicate deals that have to be done. Some deals are so dependent upon us offloading players and adhering to the FFP regulations. INEOS are to be applauded. If we have a poor "footballing" season they shall not be to blame. Not forgetting our three Cup finals in two seasons, ETH must, without any excuses, deliver a top four spot whilst our new signings adjust to each other. I still feel his job shall be on the line if we do not ALSO perform well again, in our domestic cups.
As much as we love mainoo he’s young so having casemiro rotating in an out for mainoo and Ugarte gives us the chance to rest them both. Got to think of rotation. That’s how I see mount and Fernandez. Bruno never gets a rest and doesn’t want one but he needs to be rested sometimes
The Glazers didn't buy MU because of their love of football, purely a good business decision.Don't blame them, the sellers knew their background and their motives blame them.
Mark makes a good point about if he did badly we still have to buy him the reactions. Since we buy him regardless, as fans we need to accept this is a permanent transfer not like we have a choice
Loan with obligation to buy is the same as just buying him now. Either way, he’s ours next season as well. Good or bad he’s with us next season. Just the chance you take when buying a player or on loan with the obligation to buy
That's something a lot of people may not have considered. We have to buy him next year (unless there is a get out clause). But the fee would be part of next year's FFP/PSR figures. I wonder what the fee is? That is the big question
I am happy with this deal being a loan with an obligation to buy, as long as it goes well for Ugarte at Man united this season. Mctominay could still leave but I wouldn't be surprised if he stays
So you're not really happy with it then, only if it works out 🤷 that isn't the deal. He's staying wether it works or not. So your comment is stupid, your happy as long as it works, 50/50 it wont
@@modernista6056same if we buy 60m di you happy with that price... Like or not we need him to back up casemiro.. Need seasob we can shopping in next transfer window..
I maintain that we wouldn't be getting ANY of these deals done under Woodward, Murtough and the gang. We'd be doing deals like Felix to Chelsea... A player who 'probably' doesn't even want to be there, on massive wages and a long contract. It gives me PTSD of Di Maria, Alexis Sanchez etc. Instead we're buying lower profile players at a fair price who WANT to come to United and are hungry to succeed. The business has been really good so far but I hope there's one or two more to come (probably not...).
Not achieving much from sales is just something United will have to accept. These players were from a different era at United and are on relatively high wages, that Ineos can't shift them isn't their fault, they'll be filtered out over the next couple of seasons.
If your intention is to buy him in the first place then a loan with obligation to buy makes no difference to the risk factor. No different than a normal purchase.
If we go for a loan deal for Ugarte and few days later we sell a couple of players we might be able to get another midfielder and a left back. This will be a great transfer
If Ugarte Comes in he will do the defensive part and Cassemiro will play a bit more on the front part to use nice passes like the ones he showed during last game. Mainoo might play less minutes. Cassemiro can not leave if we only buy Ugarte in the midfielde.
Your assertion about Man U midfield is right. There is no quality in man United midfield. We need a solid number 6 and a creative midfielder like Joan Nerves, but unfortunately, we couldn't get him. It shows how low Manchester United had become under Glazers.
There no difference between buying him now or a loan to buy because there no guarantee if he’s gonna be good or a flop either way. It’s a win for us cos we get him now
That swimming pool analogy was priceless. ‘If a swimming pool was as big as a football pitch…’ - mate the size of the pitch has nothing to do with the depth was the whole point of your analogy so .. oh forget it..
I don’t mind that. We get the player, we pay once we’ve had some more time to restructure the finances to streamline deals a bit more next year. It also means we can release the funds at any time if we were to make sales
I don’t see the risk with loaning Ugarte is him flopping, we get that risk if we buy him anyway. I think the bad thing is that it’ll handicap us next summer transfer window. Just shows how broke we are.
It’s the same as signing him anyway, I don’t get why people care, it’s no different to a buy now pay later purchase. The only thing is if later we end up paying the 60 anyway but at least we don’t have to cough up all the cash now which has been the motto of this window anyway. Probably frees up cash for a LB and Amrabat etc meaning we might complete a very good window. I’m very happy with this, LETS GO!!
Surely there must be some stipulations in the obligation to buy, otherwise you could just buy now and pay little this summer and pay more on the next installment later.
It's so heartening to hear the news which is going to settle our Anxiety. Now we need a Left Back which is Most Important to have a Balanced Squad.Amrabat will be a Bonus after that.GLaziers can you see how you mismanaged. GET OUT.
I wonder if this loan with obligation has been fully tested against psr rules. Economic risk would clearly be transferred, so I don't see how on an accounting basis they can argue it counts as next season costs. But hey, these rules never make actual sense.
Wow apparently Fulham made a bid around 20 mill plus add ons for Sander Berge,so what about Mctominay r they walking away from the deal or they still want him?
Maybe some clause in there for a cheaper fee if we can raise the funds sooner? Something like loan with obligation to buy and some vesting schedule along idea of 50 if we can raise by end of summer, 55 in winter, 60 by next summer?
Whats the difference between a loan with an obligation to buy and a permanent move in instalments, both have a small upfront before paying the rest later. Must be a break clause or something in it for PSG of he plays well.
Well he flopped at psg so work it out for yourself, and french league is much much slower than premier league. Guy is a walking yellow card magnet with the pace of premier League, guaranteed. Just watch he will pick up cards regularly. His only attribute is his tackling really.
@@modernista6056 psg want a ball playing player hence Joao Neves. We want a destroyer hence Casemiro. He might fail yeah but he’s the profile we want. Energy power and tackling.
People need to watch his Sporting seasons, he’s an absolute baller and PSG don’t quite use him properly you can see his full potential in his Sporting highlights what and absolute beast he is
Does this nullify our bargaining power or does this “obligation to buy” still mean a €60m package next season (€60m - loan fee/ loan fee + €60m)? We should still look to lower it to a €50m total package in my opinion.
This kind either be a good deal or a terrible deal. If he doesn't work out we're then stuck with a player we have to buy regardless of whether he flopped badly or not.
So basically we’re buying him with klarna
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Bruno
Mainoo Ugarte
Dalot Licha De Ligt Mazraoui
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Should a fixed XI for future starting matches
Casemiro should start alongside Ugarte
@@AlwaysKeepCalm7and not play mainoo? Are you joking
@AlwaysKeepCalm7 With Ugarte Collyer needing minutes. The Saudi transfer window is longer, maybe Casemiro might leave. Can't see him on high wages stay to not be a starter
No midfield creativity
McTominay?😡🥺
It's funny how y'all are writing off Casemiro. He was great in his first season and had a shitty one last season. Just like most Utd players. Casemiro and Ugarte as DM's is squad depth in that department. Rotating between these two will help us a lot this season.
What are folks moaning about. We’ve been trying to buy him for weeks, and this gets it over the finish line.
Exactly and especially if they put obligation to buy terms
I've watched Ugarte, he's another Martinez. Total warrior
That's what we want... Skills and warriors make great teams
Yes he's the DM version of Licha and we definitely need more players with warrior mentality, back in the old days we used to have players like Vidic and Park
Another leader - like deLigt
That is the perfect comment 👍
Spot on legend 👏
Mark did Ugarte dirty on the thumbnail
Bro looks like he works at my local car wash in that pic
If it’s a loan. Ugarte doesn’t sign a permanent United contract till next year. So performances depending his salary and contract length can be adjusted next year. If bad then his wages will be lowered.
Fairly sure the contract is agreed straight away, it’s just the fee that is delayed
Personal terms have been agreed already
No it means we have an extra 12 months to get rid of McTominay and Casemiro to satisfy FFP
That isn't how these deals work...Ugarte would be required to sign pre-contractual terms to commence at an agreed Transaction Date next Summer. Man United would likely simply pay his PSG Wage in the meantime.
This is the best deal
Getting Ugarte will be massive ❤🎉
People saying he will flop will soon understand what he's all about
He will probs start poor but he will get used to playing well
ugarte looks like a high football IQ player...
Yeah just like how Mazraoui shut the mouth of those who said AWB is better lol
Ugarte is a beast as CDM.
I do not understand this buy. When United already had the potencial to get best number six in world in Yoro. Let Casemiro learn him this year and he gonna be the best number six in the world. Then you can go and buy Brandtwait and next year buy even Silva from Benfica.
Buy now, PAY LATER!
don't buy pay on the pitch now
test drive lesss gooo
Obligation to buy literally means we've bought him but don't pay till next year
This is best option as we’re paying nothing for ugarte now so if we sell mctominay we can use those funds to get amrabat aswell then our depth is looking really good or in a fantasy world if we sell mctominay and sancho we could have the funds to get branthwaite
Still will have a loan fee probably
@@JakeyMufc78Not with an obligation. We’ll be paying his wages
@@JakeyMufc78with obligations they’re can be negotiated into part of the final fee. So we say €5mil loan fee could mean we only pay €45/55mil or whatever when we actually cough up the cash
Sander berge in no ambrabat
@@SK95021Berge going to Fulham
What great business.. the level of business negotiation and contractual skill on display under INEOS is like night & day compared to past decade of United.
Agreed. Just being smart like
Compared to a three headed monster...in Woodward, Murtough and tom Arnold...😒
Like....?@@theboat2328
Spot on.
They have been superb in their actions. I love it when firm, and decisive, decision making, is being displayed, whilst PATIENCE is also used with the more delicate deals that
have to be done. Some deals are so dependent upon us offloading players and adhering to the FFP regulations.
INEOS are to be applauded.
If we have a poor "footballing" season they shall not be to blame. Not forgetting our three Cup finals in two seasons, ETH must, without any excuses, deliver a top four spot whilst our new signings adjust to each other. I still feel his job shall be on the line if we do not ALSO perform well again, in our domestic cups.
Workers vs jokers
As much as we love mainoo he’s young so having casemiro rotating in an out for mainoo and Ugarte gives us the chance to rest them both. Got to think of rotation. That’s how I see mount and Fernandez. Bruno never gets a rest and doesn’t want one but he needs to be rested sometimes
Funny how, the Glazers haven’t put any of that £1.3billion back into the club hey!.
The Glazers didn't buy MU because of their love of football, purely a good business decision.Don't blame them, the sellers knew their background and their motives blame them.
Mark makes a good point about if he did badly we still have to buy him the reactions. Since we buy him regardless, as fans we need to accept this is a permanent transfer not like we have a choice
I hope this deal will work and we sell Mctom and Sancho so we can sign a high quality LB
Loan with obligation to buy is the same as just buying him now. Either way, he’s ours next season as well. Good or bad he’s with us next season. Just the chance you take when buying a player or on loan with the obligation to buy
That's something a lot of people may not have considered. We have to buy him next year (unless there is a get out clause). But the fee would be part of next year's FFP/PSR figures.
I wonder what the fee is? That is the big question
Mctominag and Eriksen out, Ugarte and Amrabat in, and we’re cooking 🔥
Sander berge in no ambrabat
Amrabat is championship level
@@SK95021berge has signed for fulham
Medical at Fulham @@SK95021
If we get Ugarte and Amrabat then we would have three defensive midfielders and no left back, that doesn’t make sense to me.
Adding Amrabat in this deal would strengthened our squad
An 8 would be good for mainoo coz mainoo should not play every match coz we don't need to make him pedri 2.p
@@AbdulRehman_192 I don’t think we’ll go for a 8 mate. Mount should step up. Eriksen and Scott too
@@thedon151 eeiksen doesn't have legs
@@AbdulRehman_192 I know and I want him out too but United ain’t doing anything on the outgoings meaning we are stuck with him
@@thedon151 nah no one is buying them that's the problem
I am happy with this deal being a loan with an obligation to buy, as long as it goes well for Ugarte at Man united this season. Mctominay could still leave but I wouldn't be surprised if he stays
So you're not really happy with it then, only if it works out 🤷 that isn't the deal. He's staying wether it works or not. So your comment is stupid, your happy as long as it works, 50/50 it wont
Thick as mince
@@modernista6056 I'm hoping it works out
@@modernista6056same if we buy 60m di you happy with that price... Like or not we need him to back up casemiro.. Need seasob we can shopping in next transfer window..
You're funny,'a loan with an obligation to buy' simply means you take the player on loan and he stays whether he does well or not.
if we get ugarte, then all I want is sancho gone, and it will be the perfect transfer window for me
So is the deal still 60mil next year? We are still spending high and pushing debt for next season.
Could Sancho go the opposite way with loan with obligation to buy.
I maintain that we wouldn't be getting ANY of these deals done under Woodward, Murtough and the gang. We'd be doing deals like Felix to Chelsea... A player who 'probably' doesn't even want to be there, on massive wages and a long contract. It gives me PTSD of Di Maria, Alexis Sanchez etc.
Instead we're buying lower profile players at a fair price who WANT to come to United and are hungry to succeed. The business has been really good so far but I hope there's one or two more to come (probably not...).
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Not achieving much from sales is just something United will have to accept. These players were from a different era at United and are on relatively high wages, that Ineos can't shift them isn't their fault, they'll be filtered out over the next couple of seasons.
If your intention is to buy him in the first place then a loan with obligation to buy makes no difference to the risk factor. No different than a normal purchase.
If we go for a loan deal for Ugarte and few days later we sell a couple of players we might be able to get another midfielder and a left back. This will be a great transfer
Spot on legend 👏
Got the same deal with my corsa last week on finance. Well in Jim lad
That person is dreaming if they think we'll get anyone in January
There is no way Scooby Doo really wants to leave
He does... just nobody wants to pay 25-30 mill for a ham shank midfielder.
I don’t understand why we didn’t do the loan with obligation to buy deal ages ago.
Blimey.
Barely twenty seconds in and a bloody advert pops up!!!!
Mark, numbers are debt. And as I remember, he never said uniteds midtfield is better than liverpool. He said the numbers of plsyers
If Ugarte Comes in he will do the defensive part and Cassemiro will play a bit more on the front part to use nice passes like the ones he showed during last game. Mainoo might play less minutes. Cassemiro can not leave if we only buy Ugarte in the midfielde.
I think this is the only way we'll get Ugarte. Very good news.
Really need to sell sancho before transfer ends. Finally moving in the right direction
Your assertion about Man U midfield is right. There is no quality in man United midfield. We need a solid number 6 and a creative midfielder like Joan Nerves, but unfortunately, we couldn't get him. It shows how low Manchester United had become under Glazers.
Would be stupid to pay what PSG spent for him as he's not a player we need now. He's not a 6
Am happy as long as we get him in
all the matter is player is not injury prone. at his age he can still develop. making a good player for united.
Rashford out out out
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Tomasz Kuszczak was a loan with obligation to buy deal back in the day
There no difference between buying him now or a loan to buy because there no guarantee if he’s gonna be good or a flop either way. It’s a win for us cos we get him now
Encouraging development. It is going to take time and skill to resolve players' contractual issues
That swimming pool analogy was priceless. ‘If a swimming pool was as big as a football pitch…’ - mate the size of the pitch has nothing to do with the depth was the whole point of your analogy so .. oh forget it..
There's no risk there because you have already said that it's a take and pay later
I don’t mind that. We get the player, we pay once we’ve had some more time to restructure the finances to streamline deals a bit more next year. It also means we can release the funds at any time if we were to make sales
I don’t see the risk with loaning Ugarte is him flopping, we get that risk if we buy him anyway. I think the bad thing is that it’ll handicap us next summer transfer window. Just shows how broke we are.
We of to buy him next year that’s why it’s called a loan with obligations to buy
You have to take risks in the position we are in. United have to get back into the Champions League and if we do then that pays for Ugarte.
Not so much bout being broke but rather limited by PSR cause we failed to sell consistently when it matters.
The wages don't h3lp
It’s the same as signing him anyway, I don’t get why people care, it’s no different to a buy now pay later purchase. The only thing is if later we end up paying the 60 anyway but at least we don’t have to cough up all the cash now which has been the motto of this window anyway. Probably frees up cash for a LB and Amrabat etc meaning we might complete a very good window. I’m very happy with this, LETS GO!!
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PSG did it with Ramos last summer !
Surely there must be some stipulations in the obligation to buy, otherwise you could just buy now and pay little this summer and pay more on the next installment later.
What a midfield we gonna have now mainoo bruno Ugarte 😍😍😍😍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
This is what I've been saying. We have the numbers. We don't have depth. The quality beyond maybe 13/14 players is just not there.
It's so heartening to hear the news which is going to settle our Anxiety. Now we need a Left Back which is Most Important to have a Balanced Squad.Amrabat will be a Bonus after that.GLaziers can you see how you mismanaged. GET OUT.
I love how Ineos keep fighting to get the player without over paying
If we were really in for him. Teams really still taking the piss tryna let us overpay.
We should cut ties with such clubs.
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I expect part of the overall fee for Ugarte will be paid in the form of a loan fee.
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I wonder if this loan with obligation has been fully tested against psr rules. Economic risk would clearly be transferred, so I don't see how on an accounting basis they can argue it counts as next season costs. But hey, these rules never make actual sense.
It's being a good transfer window without getting too far ahead of ourselves
It's essentially buy now, pay later. Payment is binding.
Wow apparently Fulham made a bid around 20 mill plus add ons for Sander Berge,so what about Mctominay r they walking away from the deal or they still want him?
They're walking away
This loan deal tells you the deal is off for McTominay
No they don't. Berge has signed, do you live under a rock ?
@@mattk120
Flying away
Maybe some clause in there for a cheaper fee if we can raise the funds sooner? Something like loan with obligation to buy and some vesting schedule along idea of 50 if we can raise by end of summer, 55 in winter, 60 by next summer?
Scooby Doo must sing I Will Survive into his hair brush every transfer window. He'll retire here at this rate. Incredible really.
Finally a Keano type of player ❤
I thought we had the same clause to buy with amrabat, how come we didn't buy
Whats the difference between a loan with an obligation to buy and a permanent move in instalments, both have a small upfront before paying the rest later. Must be a break clause or something in it for PSG of he plays well.
Like or not we man utd ugarte right now.. Next season we can buy hin bcoz many plyer end of contract so we can shopping next season😂
I think we need a proper left back instead of Ugarte. We need to stop depending on Luke Shaw. Alphanso Davies
Magaluf and Eriksen wages “saved” next summer would alleviate a fair chunk of Ugarte fee next year in theory
Is he any good? PSG signed him last summer and are now actively trying to get rid of him for less than they bought him for
Well he flopped at psg so work it out for yourself, and french league is much much slower than premier league. Guy is a walking yellow card magnet with the pace of premier League, guaranteed. Just watch he will pick up cards regularly. His only attribute is his tackling really.
@@modernista6056 psg want a ball playing player hence Joao Neves. We want a destroyer hence Casemiro. He might fail yeah but he’s the profile we want. Energy power and tackling.
Psg is a toxic environment. Every single young player that goes there flops.
@@modernista6056you don't know ball
@efancording6363 No they don't.
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Gk - kobel
Df - frimpong, van der ven
Mf - dumfries
Fw - xavi simmons, malen
I reckon United will finish 4th if they have a good season
I"d take that all day long.Would love to see Utd win the Europa league too.
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Not sure about the rating. Dont see enough goals from the squad.
Really can't understand.
We buy him,flop or not.
Loan him, it's the same, and even with the same price, PSG had us paying his wages for the year
It's literally the same as a normal transfer mate, what's difficult to understand?
He hinted at it this morning with beth when he said “united needs to get creative with PSG”
People need to watch his Sporting seasons, he’s an absolute baller and PSG don’t quite use him properly you can see his full potential in his Sporting highlights what and absolute beast he is
Does this nullify our bargaining power or does this “obligation to buy” still mean a €60m package next season (€60m - loan fee/ loan fee + €60m)? We should still look to lower it to a €50m total package in my opinion.
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What’s the matter?? If his good we keep him if not we get rid!! This sounds like the ideal deal.
Watched him for sporting he was persistent and hardworking
obligations mean nothing if we don't wanna buy him next year then there will be a set payment to get out of the contract
We have the money mark its ffp that is stopping us
Sancho ugarte swap and lindelof amrabat swap
If we sold Rashford, this window would be a 10/10.
If Casimero stays he can help train up Ugarte, Holly, Mainoo. Spread the love.
Hopefully he's not another amrabat below par till last ten games
It’s cause he didn’t have a pre season
And he was played out of position at leftback in the first few games
If we pay the price that PSG maintains, whatever the arrangement, we are still getting purchases pulled down!
just do what needs doing and get him here, then amrabat and surely Scotty will take the hint
Its a win,win Situation for us.
If he has our Dna we keep him,if not,he goes..
Its an obligation he cant go if he is bad...we are just delaying the transfer fee for next season but we are contractually obligated to buy him
Are you stupid? He can't be returned. Look up obligation FFS. Geezuz why are there so many idiots in this fanbase 🤡
This kind either be a good deal or a terrible deal. If he doesn't work out we're then stuck with a player we have to buy regardless of whether he flopped badly or not.
Gary Neville probably means that the midfield area at Old Trafford is better than at Anfield.....
If we load Ugarte, are we still going for Amrabat?
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Let’s get Ugarte and sell McTominay and then buy a LB
I think Ugarte on loan to buy, Amrabat and a left back would be a great end to the window
Its the same as what Chelssa did with Lewis Hall and Newcastle
Saying Liverpool could play Gakpo or Jota in midfield, is like me saying we could play Sancho or Rashford in there 😂