A Damphir Moon Druid could Wild Shape and use the Constitution of their beast form for the bite. You can allow the beast form to get down below half hit points without worrying about death. Add the Piercer feat for a little extra damage. Plus you can walk on ceilings in your Wild Shapes. Another route is to play a spellcaster and cast Sleep for autocrits with bite. When you are down to half hit points, then opponents might also be low on hit points. This would allow Seep to land.
RAW, Vampiric bite is considered a simple weapon, which means it qualifies as a Monk weapon. And even if your DM doesn't allow it to be considered, you can still make it a Dedicated Weapon, or Kensei weapon so the damage die scales with Monk unarmed dmg. Combined that with 8 lvls of War Cleric and you get an extra d8 of weapon dmg to your attacks. So by lvl 20, your bite should be doing 1d8+Con, +1d8 War Cleric, +1d8 Deft Strike, +3 Sharpen the Blade, +1d8 on Crits from the piercer feat.
So. Let's optimize this. You take 2 levels of GRAVE cleric instead for having the ability to give vulnerability to an opponent. You go ranger, Gloomstalker gives you bonus damage on the first turn and hunter's mark. Then you go Rogue, 3 levels to get the best part of assassin. Oh, and if you really want, go also shadow monk (but Kensai is the optimized choice). Grab piercer for obvious reasons. Now, while stealthed, you use your invoke divinity to give vulnerability, then you sneak behind the target, you mark it with hunter's mark and go down. 1d4+2d6+1d6 (you can reroll one of those for piercer) and since this is an autocrit, add another d6; add CON (+4) and you have an average damage of 24 - 25 damage. Doubled because vulnerability, doubled because critical, for about 100DMG on the first attack. Enjoy.
@@WexMajor82 and what for? if it surprise round u r probably at full health) the point of optimisation of vampiric bite its amount of heal from piercing dmg u inflict. for pure damage purpose it simpler to just grab pure rogue with grave cleric dip or grave 2/assassin 3/pal 2/any charisma caster N+ for huge smites on crit
@@artyoms2525 Sorry, what? The point of optimizing the bite is to have a +100 to your next roll. And go craft an artifact or pull some impossible roll. Also, paladin does RADIANT damage, and that doesn't stack.
@@WexMajor82 Ok, I agree, for meaningless +100 to hit, this optimization is appropriate. Although I thought the point of the video, as well as the point of choosing the barbarian as the main class, was to restore health, and not for hit bonuses
I have a build brewing where instead of Tanking using Barbarian, You use Paladin instead. The D10 Hit Die, Lay on Hands, capability to smite with your bite attack, using the interception fighting style to catch weapons in between your teeth, having Auras, being able to Spider Climb with Full Plate. It's all pretty nice. Piercer is a nice feet to optimize your bite, you can also grab the unarmed fighting style to grapple as a FREE action. I've been brewing this build for awhile now. The bite function also works with a druids wildshape.
@@DnD_Daily it's pretty interesting, what's funny is that Dhampir can be flavored as a Symbiote like Venom canonically. So that is like having a holy alien
A bit strange perhaps but this inspired me for 20 lvl straight Dhampir Samurai build. As at lvl 15 going below half health now means an extra attack. The lvl 18 feature where if you go to 0 hp you take another turn, but if you recover hp you don't go unconscious, so being a Dhampir ... okay I'll bite.
I also kinda like zealot seeing how hard it is to kill this barbarian and if you do end up falling to 0 hp (at 14+) it's time to start biting. The rp and story for both these subclasses is amazing. Of the top of my head AG barbarian the spirits are all your previous victims, with you vowing to not let the same happen to the rest of the party. Zealot, you worship the being that turned you into a Dhampir for it was your greatest love ever, but upon their demise some of their undead power is infused into you and now you can't die and seek to complete his goal/revenge/bring him back(?).
I think the Dhampire could be a glass cannon tank. Instead of focusing on ac as much, we could definitely focus on health regen. Maybe go pact of the feind or some magical route
Sage, bro, my guy. My dude.... I don't have enough coffee for the ideas from this concept. Yes it's that awesome. So mostly 🧠 🤢 here. (Brain Vomit is a term I use when you have too any thought that have to come out. Verbally it's gibberish and mostly incoherent, in hopes someone can fallow along.) Dhamphir totem elk barbarian sounds interesting. Feats:Tough, Peircer, and Crusher. Would come together at 14th level. But as your passing threw a enemy space. Cause your doing this while raging. You passing threw enemy spaces. Bite/Drain combo. But now adding in bludgeoning damage and moving them around. Rogue Assassin? 3/ horizon Walker Ranger 11 Bite attacks with distance strike Fighter for action surge? War cleric? Guided strikes and that extra attack at 1st level. Use after a action surge. But. Sharpshooter feat. Lol you are the ranged weapon lol Ok tanks running low, need more ☕️ Something rattling around with bladesinger and shadow blade Bite shadow blade, move. Bite S Blade, move. Rinse and repeat. Ok im out. Awesome 👌 👏 👍 😍 video Especially when you get my gears turning this hard. Oh god. One more. .... just hit Barrow from Star Wars a bit with the inquisitor's. You are Brother/Sister (random #) trade out barbarian levels for long death monk. Favored weapon turning your Bite into a monk weapon. Lol The "Palpatine" in this concept is the vampire that made you and your "siblings" Ok run it from there. Ok brain spent.
I love this concept. Tank characters are always so cool to make and play. Did you look at the Beast Barbarian’s bite attack as well? I think an argument could be made that they could stack both bites in one attack, which would be wild, though that would move you more towards damage than defense.
I'd say start off with the Tavern Brawler feat. Grapple as a bonus action. Then get the Piercer feat. But go Champion. You can crit with a bite attack.
Was looking up damphir after finding out about a constitution build with a Rune Knight Damphir build with abhorrent dragon mark. Rune knight has some good synergies marking you larger and having some barbarian lite abilities with it's runes.
Good ideas depending DM discretion to add bite damage: - Monk Kensei 1d4->1d6/deft strike 1d6 - Ranger colossus slayer 1d8 once per round. Hunters mark 1d6. - Enlarge reduce 1d4 extra damage. - fighter Giant's Might +1d6 once per round - Piercer feat. - Lots of great half feats that give +1 con or similar. For this build specifically, you want to REGAIN hp, not only have a large supply. Thus, picking +2con and tough is costly. When you can regenerate it is more important to get more out of each hit point. They are options and not bad ones but there are so many that are great that these dont place first. Especially as you usually end up starting with 17, you'd want to round it out with a half feat instead of the suggested +2 which is a half wasted feat at this level and better to take late game once everything is in place.
Since you've already let go of the STR based attacks, it's worth noting that the Longbow attacks work with the Ancestral Protectors as well. I used this tactic a while back, not to DEAL damage, but to mitigate damage. I hit a target at range greater than it can overcome. It's then forced to attack at disadvantage, if at all. Then, even if it manages to hit, it does half damage.
Charger fear adds +5 to your weapons damage which in this case happens to be piercing. If you didnt want to risk the AoO and you have to wait until the thing in front of you is dead before moving tot he next thing even then i feel the straight +5 is going to net you more healing than fishing for crits on a 1d4 is
@@DnD_Daily Probably something like a charm person, friends, fog cloud, misty step, find familiar. There are more flavorful options but they require much more than a dip or feat, but I can't really think any full caster multiclassing that delays this build too much
Question: if you were to go with the Beast Barbarian Dhampir and attack with Beast bite attack (which later count as magical), could you use Constitution for it?
I went with a slightly different spread and idea for a dhampir tank. I did a multi-class of Rogue/Barbarian that loses some of that resilience you're sporting, but gains some more dhampir flavor. 1st level rogue - using expertise to gain the double proficiency bonus on Athletics and Stealth. Then go straight Barb until you hit level 6 with it for the second attack. The point-buy spread is more Str 14, Dex 14, Con 17, Wis 10, Int 8, Cha 8. The first feat you grab is Tavern Brawler, and your primary goal with the build is to hit things and immediately grapple them. For sub-class, I took Path of the Beast so that my character could pick up a couple of claw attacks. However, when I want to go tank I grow the tail during my rage to raise AC and use a shield. There's effectively two modes for the character. You use a shield and smash people with it to then use bonus action to grapple or you pop claws for some more attacks and go claw + claw + bite. It's sort of a feral vampiric warrior flavor, but your build definitely I think wins out on being more effective as a tank. I think next time I play I will make use of Ancestral Guardian when I do the build. A magic item that really would benefit both builds is shooting for something that artificially raises the suboptimal strength score.
with a dhamp biter i usually go Long Death Monk so i can get bigger damage die, gain HP for biting but also temp HP for killing, and I can still dump str. Plus it's very in line with the flavor.
This is a nice build for sure, and 1d4+5(or 7 at lv 20 but let’s slow down) is nice, but it only works proficiency bonus number of times, so I don’t know if it’s better then beast barbarian who gets proficiency bonus back (once per turn) every round for 10 rounds. Of course the advantage of the damphir is that the damage can stack so you can use it both times you attack and it can be moded, but all your mods come from a crit so it could work well 5% of the time. Again I’m not sure how well it would work, maybe you only need burst healing every now and then so it’s better then beast, or maybe beasts lesser but ever present bite is better. It suck’s that neither feature functions above half hp, vampiric touch and grim harvest both work above half hp (regardless of them using the wizards hp), and the fighter features that heal also don’t work above half hp.
Personally, if I was going to make a Dhampir that use's that bite often. I would have gone Monk. Rules as written it says that the bite is a melee natural weapon that you are proficient with this means that the bite is now a monk weapon, and that d4 is going to scale with unarmored strike instead all the way up to d10. Go Mercy monk and you can do additional necrotic damg through that bite as well.
My dhampire is a minotaur so i use those bonus actions to push the enemy away and they keep closing in on me to advoid disadvantage. really gives it the goated enemy feel
I'm currently obsessed with this build, but I keep looking at; - the Tavern Brawler half feat so this Dham is able to grapple as a bonus action, further locking down opponents, which also feels like a vampiric fighting style - dipping Hexblade to increase damage output and doubling up the lifesteal strategy
CORRECTION: Spirit Shield only prevents damage for creatures other than the user. Thank you for correcting me fam!
A Damphir Moon Druid could Wild Shape and use the Constitution of their beast form for the bite. You can allow the beast form to get down below half hit points without worrying about death. Add the Piercer feat for a little extra damage. Plus you can walk on ceilings in your Wild Shapes.
Another route is to play a spellcaster and cast Sleep for autocrits with bite. When you are down to half hit points, then opponents might also be low on hit points. This would allow Seep to land.
The moon druid is a great idea
Plus the whole shifting into animals would be absolutely great flavor for a dhampir, which are vampire-kin
RAW, Vampiric bite is considered a simple weapon, which means it qualifies as a Monk weapon. And even if your DM doesn't allow it to be considered, you can still make it a Dedicated Weapon, or Kensei weapon so the damage die scales with Monk unarmed dmg. Combined that with 8 lvls of War Cleric and you get an extra d8 of weapon dmg to your attacks. So by lvl 20, your bite should be doing 1d8+Con, +1d8 War Cleric, +1d8 Deft Strike, +3 Sharpen the Blade, +1d8 on Crits from the piercer feat.
So. Let's optimize this.
You take 2 levels of GRAVE cleric instead for having the ability to give vulnerability to an opponent.
You go ranger, Gloomstalker gives you bonus damage on the first turn and hunter's mark.
Then you go Rogue, 3 levels to get the best part of assassin.
Oh, and if you really want, go also shadow monk (but Kensai is the optimized choice).
Grab piercer for obvious reasons.
Now, while stealthed, you use your invoke divinity to give vulnerability, then you sneak behind the target, you mark it with hunter's mark and go down.
1d4+2d6+1d6 (you can reroll one of those for piercer) and since this is an autocrit, add another d6; add CON (+4) and you have an average damage of 24 - 25 damage.
Doubled because vulnerability, doubled because critical, for about 100DMG on the first attack.
Enjoy.
@@WexMajor82 and what for? if it surprise round u r probably at full health) the point of optimisation of vampiric bite its amount of heal from piercing dmg u inflict.
for pure damage purpose it simpler to just grab pure rogue with grave cleric dip or grave 2/assassin 3/pal 2/any charisma caster N+ for huge smites on crit
@@artyoms2525 Sorry, what?
The point of optimizing the bite is to have a +100 to your next roll.
And go craft an artifact or pull some impossible roll.
Also, paladin does RADIANT damage, and that doesn't stack.
@@WexMajor82 Ok, I agree, for meaningless +100 to hit, this optimization is appropriate. Although I thought the point of the video, as well as the point of choosing the barbarian as the main class, was to restore health, and not for hit bonuses
I have a build brewing where instead of Tanking using Barbarian, You use Paladin instead. The D10 Hit Die, Lay on Hands, capability to smite with your bite attack, using the interception fighting style to catch weapons in between your teeth, having Auras, being able to Spider Climb with Full Plate. It's all pretty nice. Piercer is a nice feet to optimize your bite, you can also grab the unarmed fighting style to grapple as a FREE action.
I've been brewing this build for awhile now. The bite function also works with a druids wildshape.
I always find the paladin dhampir combo interesting. “Yes, my unholy bite delivers a holy blast.”
@@DnD_Daily it's pretty interesting, what's funny is that Dhampir can be flavored as a Symbiote like Venom canonically. So that is like having a holy alien
A bit strange perhaps but this inspired me for 20 lvl straight Dhampir Samurai build.
As at lvl 15 going below half health now means an extra attack. The lvl 18 feature where if you go to 0 hp you take another turn, but if you recover hp you don't go unconscious, so being a Dhampir ... okay I'll bite.
I also kinda like zealot seeing how hard it is to kill this barbarian and if you do end up falling to 0 hp (at 14+) it's time to start biting.
The rp and story for both these subclasses is amazing. Of the top of my head AG barbarian the spirits are all your previous victims, with you vowing to not let the same happen to the rest of the party. Zealot, you worship the being that turned you into a Dhampir for it was your greatest love ever, but upon their demise some of their undead power is infused into you and now you can't die and seek to complete his goal/revenge/bring him back(?).
I think the Dhampire could be a glass cannon tank. Instead of focusing on ac as much, we could definitely focus on health regen. Maybe go pact of the feind or some magical route
Sage, bro, my guy. My dude....
I don't have enough coffee for the ideas from this concept. Yes it's that awesome.
So mostly 🧠 🤢 here.
(Brain Vomit is a term I use when you have too any thought that have to come out. Verbally it's gibberish and mostly incoherent, in hopes someone can fallow along.)
Dhamphir totem elk barbarian sounds interesting.
Feats:Tough, Peircer, and Crusher.
Would come together at 14th level. But as your passing threw a enemy space. Cause your doing this while raging. You passing threw enemy spaces. Bite/Drain combo. But now adding in bludgeoning damage and moving them around.
Rogue Assassin? 3/ horizon Walker Ranger 11
Bite attacks with distance strike
Fighter for action surge?
War cleric? Guided strikes and that extra attack at 1st level. Use after a action surge. But.
Sharpshooter feat. Lol you are the ranged weapon lol
Ok tanks running low, need more ☕️
Something rattling around with bladesinger and shadow blade
Bite shadow blade, move. Bite S Blade, move.
Rinse and repeat.
Ok im out.
Awesome 👌 👏 👍 😍 video
Especially when you get my gears turning this hard.
Oh god. One more. .... just hit
Barrow from Star Wars a bit with the inquisitor's.
You are Brother/Sister (random #) trade out barbarian levels for long death monk. Favored weapon turning your Bite into a monk weapon. Lol
The "Palpatine" in this concept is the vampire that made you and your "siblings"
Ok run it from there.
Ok brain spent.
I now love the idea of straight Samurai with some incredible synergy for lvl 15 and 18 features on a Dhampir. What do you think?
I love this concept. Tank characters are always so cool to make and play. Did you look at the Beast Barbarian’s bite attack as well? I think an argument could be made that they could stack both bites in one attack, which would be wild, though that would move you more towards damage than defense.
I'd say start off with the Tavern Brawler feat. Grapple as a bonus action. Then get the Piercer feat. But go Champion. You can crit with a bite attack.
i like a 4 dip into ranger swarm to increase the piercing damage and the swarm can be many things...
Was looking up damphir after finding out about a constitution build with a Rune Knight Damphir build with abhorrent dragon mark. Rune knight has some good synergies marking you larger and having some barbarian lite abilities with it's runes.
Cool build I will be playing as a Dhampir aberrant mind sorcerer in Candlekeep Mysteries
Good ideas depending DM discretion to add bite damage:
- Monk Kensei 1d4->1d6/deft strike 1d6
- Ranger colossus slayer 1d8 once per round. Hunters mark 1d6.
- Enlarge reduce 1d4 extra damage.
- fighter Giant's Might +1d6 once per round
- Piercer feat.
- Lots of great half feats that give +1 con or similar.
For this build specifically, you want to REGAIN hp, not only have a large supply. Thus, picking +2con and tough is costly. When you can regenerate it is more important to get more out of each hit point. They are options and not bad ones but there are so many that are great that these dont place first. Especially as you usually end up starting with 17, you'd want to round it out with a half feat instead of the suggested +2 which is a half wasted feat at this level and better to take late game once everything is in place.
Since you've already let go of the STR based attacks, it's worth noting that the Longbow attacks work with the Ancestral Protectors as well. I used this tactic a while back, not to DEAL damage, but to mitigate damage.
I hit a target at range greater than it can overcome. It's then forced to attack at disadvantage, if at all. Then, even if it manages to hit, it does half damage.
Ummm... Spirit Shield only prevents damage for creatures other than you.
I came to say this.
I stand corrected, thank you!
It still doesn't necessarily negate the build. Just less self-healing.
Charger fear adds +5 to your weapons damage which in this case happens to be piercing. If you didnt want to risk the AoO and you have to wait until the thing in front of you is dead before moving tot he next thing even then i feel the straight +5 is going to net you more healing than fishing for crits on a 1d4 is
Love you thoughts 👍, but I find your videos much easier to digest at .75 speed lol.
Really cool idea, loving it. I'd love if you considered including DND Beyond or other character sheet programs so we could see it maxed out.
It's mechanically pretty great, but not having even limited selection of spells kinda weakens the dhampir flavour
Personally, I quite like the flavor. What spells would you have given to the dhampir to make it feel better?
@@DnD_Daily Probably something like a charm person, friends, fog cloud, misty step, find familiar. There are more flavorful options but they require much more than a dip or feat, but I can't really think any full caster multiclassing that delays this build too much
Question: if you were to go with the Beast Barbarian Dhampir and attack with Beast bite attack (which later count as magical), could you use Constitution for it?
Beast bite would still use str. Dhampir would use con.
I would be flexible if it was important to my player though.
I went with a slightly different spread and idea for a dhampir tank. I did a multi-class of Rogue/Barbarian that loses some of that resilience you're sporting, but gains some more dhampir flavor. 1st level rogue - using expertise to gain the double proficiency bonus on Athletics and Stealth. Then go straight Barb until you hit level 6 with it for the second attack. The point-buy spread is more Str 14, Dex 14, Con 17, Wis 10, Int 8, Cha 8. The first feat you grab is Tavern Brawler, and your primary goal with the build is to hit things and immediately grapple them. For sub-class, I took Path of the Beast so that my character could pick up a couple of claw attacks. However, when I want to go tank I grow the tail during my rage to raise AC and use a shield. There's effectively two modes for the character. You use a shield and smash people with it to then use bonus action to grapple or you pop claws for some more attacks and go claw + claw + bite. It's sort of a feral vampiric warrior flavor, but your build definitely I think wins out on being more effective as a tank. I think next time I play I will make use of Ancestral Guardian when I do the build. A magic item that really would benefit both builds is shooting for something that artificially raises the suboptimal strength score.
with a dhamp biter i usually go Long Death Monk so i can get bigger damage die, gain HP for biting but also temp HP for killing, and I can still dump str. Plus it's very in line with the flavor.
This is a nice build for sure, and 1d4+5(or 7 at lv 20 but let’s slow down) is nice, but it only works proficiency bonus number of times, so I don’t know if it’s better then beast barbarian who gets proficiency bonus back (once per turn) every round for 10 rounds. Of course the advantage of the damphir is that the damage can stack so you can use it both times you attack and it can be moded, but all your mods come from a crit so it could work well 5% of the time. Again I’m not sure how well it would work, maybe you only need burst healing every now and then so it’s better then beast, or maybe beasts lesser but ever present bite is better. It suck’s that neither feature functions above half hp, vampiric touch and grim harvest both work above half hp (regardless of them using the wizards hp), and the fighter features that heal also don’t work above half hp.
Now that’s a build worth making!
Personally, if I was going to make a Dhampir that use's that bite often. I would have gone Monk. Rules as written it says that the bite is a melee natural weapon that you are proficient with this means that the bite is now a monk weapon, and that d4 is going to scale with unarmored strike instead all the way up to d10. Go Mercy monk and you can do additional necrotic damg through that bite as well.
Interesting. So you can be a barbarian with 10 str? I guess the 13 minimum is only if you multiclass huh? Didn't know that
My dhampire is a minotaur so i use those bonus actions to push the enemy away and they keep closing in on me to advoid disadvantage. really gives it the goated enemy feel
Dhampir is a lineage that can be a race before becoming undead. Could have a Kalashtar dhampir bear totem barbarian that literally eats damage
The Guardian is the dex (or non strength( barbarian. It’s also one of the better ones.
Now you want to use remarkable recovery
I'm currently obsessed with this build, but I keep looking at;
- the Tavern Brawler half feat so this Dham is able to grapple as a bonus action, further locking down opponents, which also feels like a vampiric fighting style
- dipping Hexblade to increase damage output and doubling up the lifesteal strategy
Tavern brawler requires improvised or unarmed attacks, bite is a natural weapon.