No, Marvin was actually an asshole. He was a paranoid asshole who though the government was out to get him and that he was on a mission from God. He bought his land for $42,000 in 1992, and was later offered $250,000 for it, which he initially agreed with, before backing out and demanding $1 million for it. So it's not like he was being screwed over, he wanted a confrontation. And while he didn't kill anyone, it wasn't for lack of trying. Most of the buildings he destroyed were occupied moments before he destroyed them, including the town library (didn't see that in your list) which was hosting a children's program at the time it was destroyed. The former mayor's house he destroyed? That mayor had died three years prior, only his widow lived there now. The newspaper that lied about him? Wrong, they had even published all his letters of protest. It's not their fault he didn't win over anyone's opinion. From gun ports, he fired at state troopers who hadn't even taken action against him. He also fired on propane tanks that had they ignited would have destroyed a senior citizens complex nearby.
Of course the government quickly declared “it was not their fault” after reviewing a development they approved that put 3 million gallons of water on his property.
Never flooded before with the same amount of rain in '12. Property developed next door---floods. Doesn't take an engineer to figure that one out. They may have done this by design so they can acquire the land
@@benonihiggins8204 You can't just flood some land and call it a wetland. A wetland is a very specific ecosystem that goes beyond "hurr durr water on ground".
Eh, I doubt it was that tactical. More likely that whoever built the property didn't want to spend the necessary money for an adequate design. Or got crappy engineers to do cheap work. The city sees it as, we get more sales tax, and property tax from the storage facility. The farm is probably grandfathered in to old agriculture credits that make the family pay little to nothing. So the city goes, why fuck the money?
According to that City YOU are not qualified to make that completely obvious judgment. Now please be quiet. Thier engineers are trying to focus. They really really REALLY!!!...want to stay inside the lines of this Big Bird coloring picture.
Considering the video said the engineers they said assured them it was adequate drainage immediately went to work on a fix it sounds more like unelected officials playing cover ass.
Oh man, so it's just my eyeballs and brain not up to snuff? Shit, guess I'll go put myself in financial debt to upgrade to the advanced eyeballs and brain so I can be taken seriously! Clearly the upgraded ones will show me that the drain likely just clogged or something out of the governments control rather than being an attempt to force a man off his own territory to build 5 more parking lots and 2 shopping districts!
2021: The mayor that worked with them resigned in protest, and a little later two council members resigned due to this and a police force funding "scandal". Can't find anything else beyond that but I gather things were shaken up enough to let ODOT change the culvert design that the city screwed up.
Please folks remember most city engineers can’t find their own ass with a compass and a flashlight and a map. Real engineers work for real engineering firms doing real engineering not at a city municipality.
You, sir, are correct! I used to own a company that did commercial civil and structural concrete and the cities and municipalities sit in an office looking at a model of what they guestimate is in the 'field' and phone you what their (sometimes 40+ year old) plans say you should do. I don't know how many times I wanted to say, "Get your lazy ass out of that office and come out here before making a decision that will cost a half million dollars or more, and be completely off the mark for what I am standing here looking at in real life." Just like the letter in this video: "Our mighty engineers have concluded that the reservoir is adequate unlike your layperson knowledge." Well, my layperson is walking in 4 feet of flooding that has never ever happened in hundreds of years on this property so you tell me what your degree and models tell you when I pump this water right in your damn living room! These offices are a joke.
You mean like ones that say california is in drought. When it was always in a drought and they diverted water from other places that killed those towns as new settlers moved to california. And current contractors that basically do the same as they all act like california was livable in the first place when they had to cause droughts in towns up stream on purpose as they pretend they aren't ruining things more. As millions also live in earthquake zones that are known hazards.... You know just like the white island eruption. Where officials knew there was a danger and even tho its common sense that volcanoes are dangerous, the officials still lost in court cause apparently knowing the dangers all your life means nothing. So if an earthquake or volcano happens to strike an area shouldn't anyone that allowed people to live there be held responsible if white island tours were for that eruption.
City engineers are engineers that only just scraped by in college and got enough marks to get their diploma. Good enough for city, not good enough for actual engineering firms that require competent, high distinction engineers.
Ugh I wish I could work with a competent engineer every engineer I've worked with are nothing more than talking heads straight up useless getting paid 80k just for face value.
Does anyone remember the story when the city screwed the local farmer he took his dozer that was plated in 1/2 steel and he destroyed that town with that dozer
The city told him that he's not an engineer and therefore not an expert on storm drains. But then the city said his property would have likely flooded anyways because of the record amount of rainfall... Is the city suddenly an expert in natural disasters? The city themselves just did exactly what they said the property owner could not do.
They explicitly said that neither the home owner or CITY STAFF are not qualified to make a statement either way on the issue. They then give excuses as to why it isn't the city's fault and that it was "due to high rain" etc... Didn't they literally just say that they themselves don't have the authority to make the statement that it is good enough or not??????
@Aluzky no. You google the annual rainfall in that area from that year and compare it to 2012. Its close, if it was so close where did 3 MILLION GALLONS COME FROM?
Neither us nor the city council has the expertise to determine if the waist high water on his farm was really 'flooding' or not. Only the unnamed engineer can make that decision obv
@@jay-tbl from what the owner is saying the development obviously contributes to the problem even to the extent the developer agrees and us attempting to get approval to make alterations to the original plan.
@Aluzky the adjacent property was recently covered in concrete and now all the rain that falls on it now diverts into that guy's field. How do you not see that?
When the city complain about the cement respond with “ I’m just a layperson not an engineer so I don’t have the required expertise to say how it got there”
"The city doesn't have the authority..." Since when? Every government, large or small always thinks they have all the "authority" they want, for whatever they want to do. And you don't dare try to tell them different, they'll hurt you.
If you resist when they hurt you, they'll kill you. If you resist really hard, maybe you get a Waco where they burn your children alive after they shoot you.
@@FathinLuqmanTantowi nah I think it’d be more of a statement to sit on my levee with a lawn chair and pretend as if I’m fishing for something like catfish so when the water dries up they’ve got piles of stink bait laying everywhere. Call it a shared pond?
Need to get the EPA involved ... developments like this are required under storm water regulations to retain the water on their property ... not the neighbors or the state highway ditch
Yep, in Virginia a business has to have a storm water runoff permit from our state version of the EPA, especially a business like this with acres of impermeable concrete.
@@xjunkxyrdxdog89 It’s not in Texas. It’s in Oregon just south of Portland and The hood river which flows nwerly past Portland and eventually into the Pacific Ocean. That’s on the west coast for those of you who are not familiar with geography and maps.
_"You are not an engineer you don't know what you are talking about"_ +Shows images of flooded area and source of water coming from poorly lowest-bid designed rain channels+ _"You were saying?"_
Money has exchanged hands, good luck. Hire a licensed engineer in your state to go over the plans. We know the deal, so do they. Sue them for all costs involved plus 40% to cover lawyers cut.
@@edmonddantes3066 Oh, I'm really not saying you're wrong. I'm attempting to make a point that if don't have lots of money, and I means LOTS of money to spend on never ending legal battles with these bastards, you won't get anywhere. They are THE GOVERNMENT. They can go on forever, they know you can't. So then what are we left with if THE GOVERNMENT just runs over you but you have limited resources? That's all I'm saying.
dont even have to sue the city. sue the owner of the property that the water was diverted from. it is their duty to correct. the city does share some liability for approving the draining design, but that can be hashed out between the developer when they sue the city to recover a little bit of what they are going to lose from the first lawsuit.
it do not take a "engineer" to know that something is wrong when a property is flooded, do you think it took a engineer to notice something wrong with the Tacoma Narrows bridge
Sympathy is shown by actions, not by words. Cowardice is shown by words, not by actions. When these city officials claim they’re sympathetic, they’re actually claiming that they have the right to ignore genuine concerns. That makes them Cowards.
My dad was on our local Planning & Zoning Commission many years ago, and when a section (square mile; 640 acres) of ground was going to be developed, he flat out told the city engineering staff that what they proposed was not workable. They tried to assure him that it was. City engineers wanted to locate a stormwater retention basin on the northern side of the property. My dad told them that they'd need to move about 10-15' depth of dirt nearly a mile for that to work. He told them, "look, my family has farmed and been on most of that land for the better part of a century. I KNOW which way the land falls, and it's not to the north, it's to the south." Sure enough, when they looked =closely= at their surveys, they found that Dad was 100% right in not only the fall, but in the =amount= of dirt that would have had to have been moved. Can you say "egg on face" for not only the City engineers, but the developers engineering people?
I worked for a suburban road dept for 26 years. Over that time, I developed the ability to to tell which way surface water would flow, just by looking at it. Most of my co workers had the same ability. Being a farmer, I'm sure your dad developed that same skill. I would listen to your dad over an engineer, any time.
@@scottbc31h22 I have never been a farmer nor on a road maintenance crew and I can tell how water flows. Any 10 year old with depth perception and a functioning equilibrium can do the same. Either that or all the kids I grew up with were "waterflow savants". Hell, even the dumb kid understood.
My guess is that the City's engineering department can't read a map to save their life, the calculations were wrong because everything on the map was upside-down.
That freaking letter. I used to work for a county government and the engineers were the absolute worst. They were incredibly smug and walked around like they were so much smarter than everyone else. God forbid there was a minor IT issue. They'd act like the world was going to end if it didn't get fixed right away and had no problems reminding you of how important their job was compared with everyone else's.
I'm an engineer (not civil engineer) Mechanical / Electrical and the response by the city is DISGUSTING, and it is IGNORANT. I have also been a land developer and understand the requiremtns for civil engineering. The issue here is the developers engineer designed it, and the city or county engineers have to improve it. Once approved, thats that, so the city can't really go back and say to the developer, "we messed up," "we want you to now do this, that, or the other," is then, now a legal issue between the city, the developer and who might need to pay to fix this....... The poor home owner however, he SHOULD WIN, this in court, because you cannot change the flow of water. (For a simple explanation, if water always went to the right, you are in bad legal standing if you change the grade, and make it go to the left, especially if it causes problems. And people have very little argument to say that, "well it always went to the left, because TOPOGRAPHY maps are quite clear how and where water flows. It can be changed, but then again, and approval process is involved and the like. Water VERY WELL, may have always gone and flown in the direction of this farmer, but when you erect a HUGE BUILDING, that also may have a HUGE PARKING LOT, those hard surfaces don't absorb water, so you have to drain all that water into a retention pond, and SLOWLY, release it over time. He is getting WAY TOO MUCH all at once. I'm assuming the pond is full, so the only solution it seems to me is to greatly increase the pond, but better yet, pipe that overflow as they suggest into the right away ditch or city storm sewers which is where it is probably headed anyhow. The developer doesn't need headaches, I wouldn't be surprised if the city chipped in slightly, the developer this is not easily remedied. But then again, I have no idea the distances to get to where it needs to be routed to. AND, they have to go through this mans property, so HE ALSO, has to be in agreement with allowing a storm sewer to be added, or them to regrade his property to direct it better.
This is what news is supposed to be, helping the people and keeping them aware of what's going on in their communities. Good on you guys for doing it right and not resorting to sensationalized trash that serves no constructive purpose.
@Cindy Cyanide this is true which makes it a significant health risk to the public. Bacteria such as Ecoli can easily seep into source drinking water. Primary source for e-coli is mainly manure from cows and human feces. If your interested check out Walkerton water crisis (walkerton Ontario). Its not exactly the same this situation but the similarities is farm runoff into a season pond located at a well. Dont panic waterworks are really good at dealing with these issues and there is a lot of redundancies and monitoring. But why poke a sleeping bear..
The US Army corps of engineers are supposed to regulate all surface water flow. They need to get involved in this and take authority. The city would be "trumped" by the Corps.
Report the engineer to his professional association; file an official complaint. That way he has to be investigated by other engineers; if he's a fool then he can lose his stamp.
For that insane amount of water, you'd have to engineer levees. It'd be cheaper and safer to just truck in fill dirt and raise the entire field to a level higher than the shitty storage lot concrete foundations, so it becomes their problem and not his. If he raised his entire field, he'd only have to worry about the area directly around the buildings, which could be controlled with french drains and sump pumps.
@@GGigabiteM A berm would have the same effect without needing the amount of fill for the whole property. The berm can hold back the water and redirect it away from his property. Without seeing the whole problem area it's hard to predict but it's been very effective elsewhere. It may only require 2' high berms or whatever it takes to redirect the water. The problem he had is the water flowed there and had no escape so filled his bowl property essentially. But that doesn't mean a berm woudn't redirect it before it got that bad.
When the city stated that they received record rainfalls last year and believes the Stewart's property would have flooded regardless, the property owner needs to respond and say "unfortunately, the city doesn't have the required expertise as a geologist, hydrologist, or hydrometeorologist to make that assumption, and as such, they needed to provide an environmental impact study to determine if that was the case based on the rainfall."
Most development standards forbid cross-lot drainage, unless this was a designated tributary. The neighbor has likely modified the flow across their lot to flood the farmer or blocked flow from the flooding owner onto the tributary. Also possible that the water may actually belong to the farmer, so a berm, suggested by other commenters, may actually make things worse depending on the direction of flow. If the new development's storm water detention and drain is inadequate, that will be the crux.
Here's how to fix that. Build a 5 foot high dirt berm on your property next to the development's fence to prevent their water from entering your property basically letting their property flood thereby forcing them to fix their drainage problem.
Exactly! A man in our community built a dirt levee around his property, just to keep people out. It is quite a few acres.. 50 or so.. so The only entrance is his driveway.
It sounds to me that the existing standard isn't sufficient for this type of set up and the city bureaucrats are protecting their rear ends. I hope the the guy can put a five foot waterproof fence along that property line to block the water from coming onto his property. Let it flood the neighbour or the highway and see what happens.
Then they will just say his wall wasn't permitted, force him to remove it, and fine him and possibly sue him for damages. This is city government you are dealing with here. Not logical people. There are egos to stroke, laws to ignore when it suits them, others to interpret differently than they intended or were written, and others not law but being enforced anyway.
@@iair-conditiontheoutsideai3076 yeah I know, obviously more people would get it in their recommendations. I was just wondering how many people got it tho lmao
Core Shaft My question, why is the platform suggesting a vid from 2017? You'd think think there is more important videos out there that are only hours old. Hiding the truth from the American people.
Sadly this is a common practice when cities or industries want to acquire the land. The landowner will eventually be forced to sell due to high cost of upkeep or the land is rezoned as flood land. When it is rendered "useless" the citiy or industry will be the first to hear of its foreclosure or land sale. Or be the first one on the auction stoop ready to buy. Either way the end rsult is land sale for pennies on the dollar. Good thing the local news got this piece out. Hopefully it will help this landowner
Perhaps the design didn't take into account, HIS PROPERTY! sure it was designed to flow water away from the development development, NOT HIS property! apparently they didn't care where it went.
Nah it sends a message. When you're in a position to lead and govern people and you go out of your way to fail miserably, while said citizens YOU are failing are paying your bills Essentially..maybe a hanging or two would kick some people into an extra gear.
Me to a doctor: "I have a broken leg, I can't walk" *bone is sticking out* The Doctor: "You're not a doctor so clearly you don't have a broken leg you're fine just go home."
"The bridge collapsed. I'm just a layperson, but I think maybe it should be rebuilt." "Our engineer assures us that the bridge meets all requirements. You are not qualified to contradict our engineer."
Apparently the system is designed to hadle that amount of water. The problem is the system was designed to carry the water off the development and into his field. What he needs to do is build a flood barrier that will cause the water to backup onto the development. Then they will have to deal with the problem.
Lol by law any rainwater runoff has to be contained within the property bounds, unless it can be diverted to culverts and drained away safely. I've spent plenty of time working with Engineers of many different disciplines and they are nowhere near always right. They have a document on the wall I have experience in the field.
Engineers can theorize and crunch the numbers but it is the ones in the field that know what will and what won’t work. I love telling an engineer when he’s wrong and that something won’t work. Puts a smile on my face every single time!!
Don't know if this state is like PA, but in Pennsylvania you cannot divert your water using a pipe onto your neighbor's property. If I was this guy, I'd build 4' tall berm next to the fence, top it with some arborvitae, and let the storage facility keep their overflow water. They'd fix that retention basin real quick if they suddenly got flooded out!
This is when you start putting steel plates on your bull dozer and take a drive to town. I’d start with the city engineers house. Because apparently the city engineer doesn’t have the required skill set either.
The person who sees it and lives it everyday obviously doesn't know better than a person with a two year degree that has never lived outside of a dorm/apartment... Right.
I find this a little odd. Where I live if you modify the land, change the slope or cause water drainage you are responsible for ensuring that change does not adversely affect your neighboring property. IE: If I dig our part of my property to level it I am responsible for installing a retaining wall to secure my neighbors property. If I add a huge part of concrete I am responsible for the drainage. In this case they build a HUGE storage facility with a large roof that shunts the enrite property of water to a single corner where before it would have been spread out and absorbed. THis video is from 2017. What ended up happening.
2:09. Problem wasn't "adequate capacity to carry necessary flow" but rather WHERE the flow that they planned for ended up... on someone else's property.
I was in a slightly similar situation. The “engineers” said there would be no standing water when they were done. But there was standing water the first year and many times. As a engineer myself,, it was appalling. Locals living in the area warned them that they were wrong, but they were dismissed.
3:50 is where the problem started. "This plan won't properly drain water away. We should run it into this nearby culvert instead." ~ "Yeah, but we have to get permission from ODOT first, and that would take time. Plus it would cost more money ." ~ "Dude, the alternative is to let it all flood the neighbor's farm." ~ "He'll be grateful for the irrigation, stop worrying so much about it." ~ "Okay, but it's on you." ~ ~ ~ "Of course I designed this properly! Tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about." (and keeps doubling down because he still doesn't want to take the time to do it properly, let alone admit he screwed up)
3:07 this is important. The city claims that they have no expertise and the “engineer”, a non protected title in the US (meaning anyone can call himself an engineer), certified that the installation was adequate. BUT at the same time, claim expertise to declare that the “heavy rainfalls” would result in the same result. Unfortunately, lawsuit time. Sue the builder and get an injunction to stop building and selling the new properties for destruction of your property. Sue the city for land theft and illegal use of eminent domain. And sue the engineer for incompetence and negligence.
Exactly why people go on rampages with armor plated bulldozers.
"Killdozer", never forget.
There is a t-shirt that says
"2004 Grandby Colorado, sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things KILLDOZER".
@@SB-zy7wy Roger That
Everyone has a breaking point
No, Marvin was actually an asshole. He was a paranoid asshole who though the government was out to get him and that he was on a mission from God.
He bought his land for $42,000 in 1992, and was later offered $250,000 for it, which he initially agreed with, before backing out and demanding $1 million for it. So it's not like he was being screwed over, he wanted a confrontation.
And while he didn't kill anyone, it wasn't for lack of trying. Most of the buildings he destroyed were occupied moments before he destroyed them, including the town library (didn't see that in your list) which was hosting a children's program at the time it was destroyed.
The former mayor's house he destroyed? That mayor had died three years prior, only his widow lived there now.
The newspaper that lied about him? Wrong, they had even published all his letters of protest. It's not their fault he didn't win over anyone's opinion.
From gun ports, he fired at state troopers who hadn't even taken action against him. He also fired on propane tanks that had they ignited would have destroyed a senior citizens complex nearby.
@@pharrzide why did he go on rampage
Of course the government quickly declared “it was not their fault” after reviewing a development they approved that put 3 million gallons of water on his property.
The saddest part. The developer is ready to fix it and didn't got approval
You know when they give you a water pump for free they recognize their liability
@@Alex-ih9lc they didnt give him, they loaned him a pump
I know a certain Bill Billson that didn't watch the video and is commenting on the title LMAO..
this was during the trump era im not surprised
Never flooded before with the same amount of rain in '12. Property developed next door---floods. Doesn't take an engineer to figure that one out. They may have done this by design so they can acquire the land
That is exactly what I suspect
Or report him to the EPA for draining a wetland. It has happened before
@@benonihiggins8204 You can't just flood some land and call it a wetland. A wetland is a very specific ecosystem that goes beyond "hurr durr water on ground".
Eh, I doubt it was that tactical. More likely that whoever built the property didn't want to spend the necessary money for an adequate design. Or got crappy engineers to do cheap work.
The city sees it as, we get more sales tax, and property tax from the storage facility.
The farm is probably grandfathered in to old agriculture credits that make the family pay little to nothing.
So the city goes, why fuck the money?
According to that City YOU are not qualified to make that completely obvious judgment. Now please be quiet. Thier engineers are trying to focus. They really really REALLY!!!...want to stay inside the lines of this Big Bird coloring picture.
Time to build a berm high enough to flood them out....
Build a retainer wall, I’m sure you have a tractor and could trench out a drainage ditch might be annoying but it’s doable
Touché, I would love to see that. “Hey sorry my retaining wall interfered with your water shedding tactics.
@@Rad_Triumph_765_RS lol ikr? Payback blows
@Paul Smith I support this plan
@Paul Smith at least let them know if floods your yard before doing that. But only mention it once.
He's not qualified to see that his property is flooded out. You need an advanced degree for that.
Yes, I believe it’s called the storm water observatory administration systems degree, it’s a 6 year program
@@samjohannes9969 or a goverment official can grant it for your property or the right price ;)
Only they feel like they need education for something that's common sense. Otherwise why would they say that?
Considering the video said the engineers they said assured them it was adequate drainage immediately went to work on a fix it sounds more like unelected officials playing cover ass.
Oh man, so it's just my eyeballs and brain not up to snuff? Shit, guess I'll go put myself in financial debt to upgrade to the advanced eyeballs and brain so I can be taken seriously! Clearly the upgraded ones will show me that the drain likely just clogged or something out of the governments control rather than being an attempt to force a man off his own territory to build 5 more parking lots and 2 shopping districts!
2021: The mayor that worked with them resigned in protest, and a little later two council members resigned due to this and a police force funding "scandal". Can't find anything else beyond that but I gather things were shaken up enough to let ODOT change the culvert design that the city screwed up.
A true hero. You saved me an hour of procrastinating looking for an update. Thanks.
Thanks homie! You did more good with that comment than you'll ever know!🙏🏿🇺🇲👌🏿👍🏿
thanks for the update
Bump
@Billy Thorson no cap. say less.
Please folks remember most city engineers can’t find their own ass with a compass and a flashlight and a map. Real engineers work for real engineering firms doing real engineering not at a city municipality.
You, sir, are correct!
I used to own a company that did commercial civil and structural concrete and the cities and municipalities sit in an office looking at a model of what they guestimate is in the 'field' and phone you what their (sometimes 40+ year old) plans say you should do. I don't know how many times I wanted to say, "Get your lazy ass out of that office and come out here before making a decision that will cost a half million dollars or more, and be completely off the mark for what I am standing here looking at in real life."
Just like the letter in this video: "Our mighty engineers have concluded that the reservoir is adequate unlike your layperson knowledge." Well, my layperson is walking in 4 feet of flooding that has never ever happened in hundreds of years on this property so you tell me what your degree and models tell you when I pump this water right in your damn living room! These offices are a joke.
How dare you assume that engineers wear their asses like hats, you’ll be pleased to know they wear their asses like masks.
You mean like ones that say california is in drought. When it was always in a drought and they diverted water from other places that killed those towns as new settlers moved to california. And current contractors that basically do the same as they all act like california was livable in the first place when they had to cause droughts in towns up stream on purpose as they pretend they aren't ruining things more.
As millions also live in earthquake zones that are known hazards.... You know just like the white island eruption. Where officials knew there was a danger and even tho its common sense that volcanoes are dangerous, the officials still lost in court cause apparently knowing the dangers all your life means nothing. So if an earthquake or volcano happens to strike an area shouldn't anyone that allowed people to live there be held responsible if white island tours were for that eruption.
City engineers are engineers that only just scraped by in college and got enough marks to get their diploma. Good enough for city, not good enough for actual engineering firms that require competent, high distinction engineers.
Ugh I wish I could work with a competent engineer every engineer I've worked with are nothing more than talking heads straight up useless getting paid 80k just for face value.
Does anyone remember the story when the city screwed the local farmer he took his dozer that was plated in 1/2 steel and he destroyed that town with that dozer
It wasnt a farmer it was a welder. ruclips.net/user/results?search_query=Kill+dozer
I know he destroyed that town and it take him long to do alot of damage
The Killdozer 👍🏻👍🏻
It's a crime that they drove him to a point where he ended his own life..GREEDY BASTARDS
KILLDOZER! Yep, That city screwed over the wrong person.
Sound like the city is trying to force them out to me.
The city told him that he's not an engineer and therefore not an expert on storm drains. But then the city said his property would have likely flooded anyways because of the record amount of rainfall... Is the city suddenly an expert in natural disasters? The city themselves just did exactly what they said the property owner could not do.
They explicitly said that neither the home owner or CITY STAFF are not qualified to make a statement either way on the issue. They then give excuses as to why it isn't the city's fault and that it was "due to high rain" etc... Didn't they literally just say that they themselves don't have the authority to make the statement that it is good enough or not??????
When he calls 911 while drowning they'll tell him he's no doctor so is unqualified to determine that
You’d think the 3 million gallons flooding his property is proof enough that it’s designed wrong and can’t handle the job.
@Aluzky no history of it flooding before.....You're wrong
@Aluzky no. You google the annual rainfall in that area from that year and compare it to 2012. Its close, if it was so close where did 3 MILLION GALLONS COME FROM?
Neither us nor the city council has the expertise to determine if the waist high water on his farm was really 'flooding' or not. Only the unnamed engineer can make that decision obv
@@jay-tbl from what the owner is saying the development obviously contributes to the problem even to the extent the developer agrees and us attempting to get approval to make alterations to the original plan.
@Aluzky the adjacent property was recently covered in concrete and now all the rain that falls on it now diverts into that guy's field. How do you not see that?
A couple bags of cement magically finding their way into that pipe would fix it.
@balls up must have ran out from one of the storage units and settled in the pipe
@balls up Must've been the wind
When the city complain about the cement respond with “ I’m just a layperson not an engineer so I don’t have the required expertise to say how it got there”
@balls up lol
@balls up concrete fairies, they are real !! 😜
"The city doesn't have the authority..." Since when? Every government, large or small always thinks they have all the "authority" they want, for whatever they want to do. And you don't dare try to tell them different, they'll hurt you.
If you resist when they hurt you, they'll kill you. If you resist really hard, maybe you get a Waco where they burn your children alive after they shoot you.
That's a fact.
They also have the authority to remove that authority and re-establishing it at their will.
"Doesn't have the authority." Oh, so eminent domain is no more?
They only have authority when THEY need it, not you.
Fill that drain up with a little bit of concrete.
Pour dry concrete in their drains, the entrances. Let some light rains do the rest.
Improvise, adapt, overcome
exactly
@@texasrox2010
Improvise, adapt, go to jail.
thats the ONLY outcome if you go the sabotage route.
guess this answer why your not an engineer.
very stupid answer and replies.
I’d engineer myself a levee and try to force the water back on them
Exactly lol
We think alike
and if there's protest you just say this is my property and i'm not an engineer
@@FathinLuqmanTantowi nah I think it’d be more of a statement to sit on my levee with a lawn chair and pretend as if I’m fishing for something like catfish so when the water dries up they’ve got piles of stink bait laying everywhere. Call it a shared pond?
Well the landowner said he wasn’t mad at the developer, only the city and the engineer, so flooding the development wouldn’t really be in his interest
That snarky response they gave him clearly did not help at all.
Need to get the EPA involved ... developments like this are required under storm water regulations to retain the water on their property ... not the neighbors or the state highway ditch
Yep, in Virginia a business has to have a storm water runoff permit from our state version of the EPA, especially a business like this with acres of impermeable concrete.
It's texas... I'm pretty sure the epa doesn't even enter the state... cut their losses.
@@xjunkxyrdxdog89 it's in Oregon, EPA loves the place. lol
@@lylestavast7652 sorry I heard Hubbard and assumed texas.
@@xjunkxyrdxdog89
It’s not in Texas.
It’s in Oregon just south of Portland and The hood river which flows nwerly past Portland and eventually into the Pacific Ocean. That’s on the west coast for those of you who are not familiar with geography and maps.
Looks like the developers and so called experts are greasing the palms of city hall. Once again the the small guy gets screwed.
Yep, they want his land to expand the development.
_"You are not an engineer you don't know what you are talking about"_
+Shows images of flooded area and source of water coming from poorly lowest-bid designed rain channels+ _"You were saying?"_
Money has exchanged hands, good luck. Hire a licensed engineer in your state to go over the plans.
We know the deal, so do they. Sue them for all costs involved plus 40% to cover lawyers cut.
Licensed because he paid them.
Now they pay him.
sorry hes got the papers, common sense doesnt matter
Maybe this guy should take matters into his own hands.
And he might even get some help.
That’s a great way to escalate consequences while solving absolutely nothing.
@@edmonddantes3066 Then in that case nothingnever gets solved.
@@johnmagill9496 Ok, and how does your proposal “solve” anything?
@@edmonddantes3066 Oh, I'm really not saying you're wrong. I'm attempting to make a point that if don't have lots of money, and I means LOTS of money to spend on never ending legal battles with these bastards, you won't get anywhere. They are THE GOVERNMENT. They can go on forever, they know you can't. So then what are we left with if THE GOVERNMENT just runs over you but you have limited resources? That's all I'm saying.
He should sue the city and he has the right to.
dont even have to sue the city. sue the owner of the property that the water was diverted from. it is their duty to correct. the city does share some liability for approving the draining design, but that can be hashed out between the developer when they sue the city to recover a little bit of what they are going to lose from the first lawsuit.
it do not take a "engineer" to know that something is wrong when a property is flooded, do you think it took a engineer to notice something wrong with the Tacoma Narrows bridge
That was just a "design feature", don't be such a hater.
Man: living underwater
City: You aren’t educated enough to understand that there is no problem
Man: ......
Sympathy is shown by actions, not by words. Cowardice is shown by words, not by actions. When these city officials claim they’re sympathetic, they’re actually claiming that they have the right to ignore genuine concerns. That makes them Cowards.
The buck passes easily through "greased palms" Narragansett Bay.
Dudes a farmer he probably knows a thing or two more then your “experts” just sayin. 💁♂️
Farmers are smart
He knows a thing or two because he’s seen a thing or two
We are farmers.....babbadadadadada
@B Babbich At least the farmer is more useful.
@B Babbich well that particular engineer is obviously incompetent
My dad was on our local Planning & Zoning Commission many years ago, and when a section (square mile; 640 acres) of ground was going to be developed, he flat out told the city engineering staff that what they proposed was not workable. They tried to assure him that it was. City engineers wanted to locate a stormwater retention basin on the northern side of the property. My dad told them that they'd need to move about 10-15' depth of dirt nearly a mile for that to work. He told them, "look, my family has farmed and been on most of that land for the better part of a century. I KNOW which way the land falls, and it's not to the north, it's to the south." Sure enough, when they looked =closely= at their surveys, they found that Dad was 100% right in not only the fall, but in the =amount= of dirt that would have had to have been moved. Can you say "egg on face" for not only the City engineers, but the developers engineering people?
I worked for a suburban road dept for 26 years. Over that time, I developed the ability to to tell which way surface water would flow, just by looking at it. Most of my co workers had the same ability.
Being a farmer, I'm sure your dad developed that same skill. I would listen to your dad over an engineer, any time.
@@scottbc31h22 I have never been a farmer nor on a road maintenance crew and I can tell how water flows. Any 10 year old with depth perception and a functioning equilibrium can do the same. Either that or all the kids I grew up with were "waterflow savants". Hell, even the dumb kid understood.
@@3Hose lol 👍🏿
My guess is that the City's engineering department can't read a map to save their life, the calculations were wrong because everything on the map was upside-down.
Sounds like he needs to go find the mayor's house.
That freaking letter. I used to work for a county government and the engineers were the absolute worst. They were incredibly smug and walked around like they were so much smarter than everyone else. God forbid there was a minor IT issue. They'd act like the world was going to end if it didn't get fixed right away and had no problems reminding you of how important their job was compared with everyone else's.
"We're here from the government and we're here to help!" Every American should fear these words. R. Reagan.
I remember my yard flooded once but i wasn't sure so i called in the engineers and to my surprise i was right, it was flooded.
I'm an engineer (not civil engineer) Mechanical / Electrical and the response by the city is DISGUSTING, and it is IGNORANT. I have also been a land developer and understand the requiremtns for civil engineering. The issue here is the developers engineer designed it, and the city or county engineers have to improve it. Once approved, thats that, so the city can't really go back and say to the developer, "we messed up," "we want you to now do this, that, or the other," is then, now a legal issue between the city, the developer and who might need to pay to fix this....... The poor home owner however, he SHOULD WIN, this in court, because you cannot change the flow of water. (For a simple explanation, if water always went to the right, you are in bad legal standing if you change the grade, and make it go to the left, especially if it causes problems. And people have very little argument to say that, "well it always went to the left, because TOPOGRAPHY maps are quite clear how and where water flows. It can be changed, but then again, and approval process is involved and the like. Water VERY WELL, may have always gone and flown in the direction of this farmer, but when you erect a HUGE BUILDING, that also may have a HUGE PARKING LOT, those hard surfaces don't absorb water, so you have to drain all that water into a retention pond, and SLOWLY, release it over time. He is getting WAY TOO MUCH all at once. I'm assuming the pond is full, so the only solution it seems to me is to greatly increase the pond, but better yet, pipe that overflow as they suggest into the right away ditch or city storm sewers which is where it is probably headed anyhow. The developer doesn't need headaches, I wouldn't be surprised if the city chipped in slightly, the developer this is not easily remedied. But then again, I have no idea the distances to get to where it needs to be routed to. AND, they have to go through this mans property, so HE ALSO, has to be in agreement with allowing a storm sewer to be added, or them to regrade his property to direct it better.
Sounds like pass the buck politics it will likely have to end in a lawsuit!
This is what news is supposed to be, helping the people and keeping them aware of what's going on in their communities. Good on you guys for doing it right and not resorting to sensationalized trash that serves no constructive purpose.
Looked like a huge breeding ground for mosquitoes.
@Cindy Cyanide this is true which makes it a significant health risk to the public. Bacteria such as Ecoli can easily seep into source drinking water. Primary source for e-coli is mainly manure from cows and human feces. If your interested check out Walkerton water crisis (walkerton Ontario). Its not exactly the same this situation but the similarities is farm runoff into a season pond located at a well. Dont panic waterworks are really good at dealing with these issues and there is a lot of redundancies and monitoring. But why poke a sleeping bear..
All those blood suckers work in the city council and local government agencies.
@@SeattleRingHunter 🤣🤣🤣
The US Army corps of engineers are supposed to regulate all surface water flow. They need to get involved in this and take authority. The city would be "trumped" by the Corps.
Three years old n now we all get it in our recommended feed.
Everything else was banned
@@FFXIshibaa ok boris. I think you need some re-education on your use of English.
sadly oil was found on his land and the army invaded now he's in Guantanamo Bay indefinitely
Report the engineer to his professional association; file an official complaint. That way he has to be investigated by other engineers; if he's a fool then he can lose his stamp.
That's when you berm your property
For that insane amount of water, you'd have to engineer levees. It'd be cheaper and safer to just truck in fill dirt and raise the entire field to a level higher than the shitty storage lot concrete foundations, so it becomes their problem and not his. If he raised his entire field, he'd only have to worry about the area directly around the buildings, which could be controlled with french drains and sump pumps.
@@GGigabiteM A berm would have the same effect without needing the amount of fill for the whole property. The berm can hold back the water and redirect it away from his property. Without seeing the whole problem area it's hard to predict but it's been very effective elsewhere. It may only require 2' high berms or whatever it takes to redirect the water. The problem he had is the water flowed there and had no escape so filled his bowl property essentially. But that doesn't mean a berm woudn't redirect it before it got that bad.
When the city stated that they received record rainfalls last year and believes the Stewart's property would have flooded regardless, the property owner needs to respond and say "unfortunately, the city doesn't have the required expertise as a geologist, hydrologist, or hydrometeorologist to make that assumption, and as such, they needed to provide an environmental impact study to determine if that was the case based on the rainfall."
Wow! The water proves that the engineer's obviously didn't do well in the math part.
Most development standards forbid cross-lot drainage, unless this was a designated tributary. The neighbor has likely modified the flow across their lot to flood the farmer or blocked flow from the flooding owner onto the tributary. Also possible that the water may actually belong to the farmer, so a berm, suggested by other commenters, may actually make things worse depending on the direction of flow. If the new development's storm water detention and drain is inadequate, that will be the crux.
Someone of the city counsel got a little "Sumpin-Sumpin" in his pocket to approve this Storage Development
It is called the democrat's brown envelope.
Here's how to fix that. Build a 5 foot high dirt berm on your property next to the development's fence to prevent their water from entering your property basically letting their property flood thereby forcing them to fix their drainage problem.
Exactly! A man in our community built a dirt levee around his property, just to keep people out. It is quite a few acres.. 50 or so.. so The only entrance is his driveway.
i was gonna suggest this aswell.
It sounds to me that the existing standard isn't sufficient for this type of set up and the city bureaucrats are protecting their rear ends. I hope the the guy can put a five foot waterproof fence along that property line to block the water from coming onto his property. Let it flood the neighbour or the highway and see what happens.
Then they will just say his wall wasn't permitted, force him to remove it, and fine him and possibly sue him for damages. This is city government you are dealing with here. Not logical people. There are egos to stroke, laws to ignore when it suits them, others to interpret differently than they intended or were written, and others not law but being enforced anyway.
As a Master Electrician and Former Electrical Inspector about 80% of my job is to correct what an "engineer" designed so the install met code.
Think about becoming an engineer.
Who else got this in their recommended?
Obviously more people did you're not special
@@iair-conditiontheoutsideai3076 yeah I know, obviously more people would get it in their recommendations. I was just wondering how many people got it tho lmao
I did.
Core Shaft My question, why is the platform suggesting a vid from 2017? You'd think think there is more important videos out there that are only hours old. Hiding the truth from the American people.
@@MrGmoney48 exacto no one will ever know unless you work at youtube
Sadly this is a common practice when cities or industries want to acquire the land. The landowner will eventually be forced to sell due to high cost of upkeep or the land is rezoned as flood land. When it is rendered "useless" the citiy or industry will be the first to hear of its foreclosure or land sale. Or be the first one on the auction stoop ready to buy. Either way the end rsult is land sale for pennies on the dollar. Good thing the local news got this piece out. Hopefully it will help this landowner
I'd build a big ass damn that side of the property and have the water reverted back to their storage facilities!!
Perhaps the design didn't take into account, HIS PROPERTY!
sure it was designed to flow water away from the development development, NOT HIS property! apparently they didn't care where it went.
Drain the water into city officials basements
Did it get fixed?
this is exactly how you get a killdozer.
Just start pumping the water into the city sewer. If its "rain water" its legal
it's, not its
@@michaelanderson7715 bored I see lol
@@darrylsmith5148 good sport
was there ever a follow up story? i wonder did/does his property flood every year?
We need to get back with offing public officials. Where are the crazy people at?
Maybe we can fix the problem without, you know, killing people?
Nah it sends a message. When you're in a position to lead and govern people and you go out of your way to fail miserably, while said citizens YOU are failing are paying your bills Essentially..maybe a hanging or two would kick some people into an extra gear.
So follow up would be nice! What happened?
if i start a go fund me for a kill dozer dealership do you think it would pay off lol
So many people would line up for a A1 Abrams so one little faster and smaller would market rather quick.
Is there an update to this video?
When life gives you lemons grow cranberries.
It just amazes me that people think this government gives a crap about them.
Me to a doctor: "I have a broken leg, I can't walk" *bone is sticking out*
The Doctor: "You're not a doctor so clearly you don't have a broken leg you're fine just go home."
Hubbard is known for the under ground springs. In fact right off 99E in Hubbard in the 50 / 60 there was a hot springs .
Contact NRCS (branch of USDA) and have them review.
I need an engineer to tell me when water is wet.
"The bridge collapsed. I'm just a layperson, but I think maybe it should be rebuilt."
"Our engineer assures us that the bridge meets all requirements. You are not qualified to contradict our engineer."
Apparently the system is designed to hadle that amount of water. The problem is the system was designed to carry the water off the development and into his field.
What he needs to do is build a flood barrier that will cause the water to backup onto the development. Then they will have to deal with the problem.
I would have been petty and graded added dirt and make it flow back to them
Get a dozer and build up a dam
Lol by law any rainwater runoff has to be contained within the property bounds, unless it can be diverted to culverts and drained away safely.
I've spent plenty of time working with Engineers of many different disciplines and they are nowhere near always right. They have a document on the wall I have experience in the field.
That is my understanding of the requirement as well.
Engineers can theorize and crunch the numbers but it is the ones in the field that know what will and what won’t work. I love telling an engineer when he’s wrong and that something won’t work. Puts a smile on my face every single time!!
Sue them all and make them all pay.
This happens regular for big land developer to put water onto neighborhood properties then inspector comes out and claims it to be wet land
Don't know if this state is like PA, but in Pennsylvania you cannot divert your water using a pipe onto your neighbor's property.
If I was this guy, I'd build 4' tall berm next to the fence, top it with some arborvitae, and let the storage facility keep their overflow water. They'd fix that retention basin real quick if they suddenly got flooded out!
I think the city councilors are not fully qualified to engage their brains unlike a layman
Did this ever get resolved?
This is when you start putting steel plates on your bull dozer and take a drive to town. I’d start with the city engineers house. Because apparently the city engineer doesn’t have the required skill set either.
sounds incredibly farmiliar...
@@beanman6684 Yea, it tends to make one wonder less about why people do the things they do when you hear more of their stories eh?
Thank you for responsible investigative reporting
The person who sees it and lives it everyday obviously doesn't know better than a person with a two year degree that has never lived outside of a dorm/apartment... Right.
His only option is to sue.
When local officials don’t help in Florida we call Swiftmud.
Talking to my city about the same issue, keeping my fingers crossed hoping they will fix this problem
Makes you wonder why their community doesn't rally behind this family...no wonder the USA is in sharp decline.
Who said they the community ISNT rallying behind this family? Why are you assuming the commi isn't?
That is a sucky way to be
@@Irespecktyouall If the community was supporting them this would not be happening...
@@Irespecktyouall Not sure why you decided to call someone a commie tho?
Development is supposed to have a storm water management plan
Black Panther: "Somebody get this man a killdozer."
with an upgraded cooling system, and remotely controlled via a starlink uplink.
Most civil engineers that I’ve felt with in construction have no clue what they are doing. They are never held accountable for their “mistakes”.
I love local news stations for bringing attention to stories like this. I hope with this being 3 years old, some justice has been served.
How did this turn out? Was the drainage problem remedied?
I find this a little odd. Where I live if you modify the land, change the slope or cause water drainage you are responsible for ensuring that change does not adversely affect your neighboring property. IE: If I dig our part of my property to level it I am responsible for installing a retaining wall to secure my neighbors property. If I add a huge part of concrete I am responsible for the drainage.
In this case they build a HUGE storage facility with a large roof that shunts the enrite property of water to a single corner where before it would have been spread out and absorbed.
THis video is from 2017. What ended up happening.
What's the update on this story?
How did this turn out? Any followup?
What was the duration between rain events in 2012 compared to last year?
How did this end up getting handled
2:09. Problem wasn't "adequate capacity to carry necessary flow" but rather WHERE the flow that they planned for ended up... on someone else's property.
I was in a slightly similar situation. The “engineers” said there would be no standing water when they were done. But there was standing water the first year and many times. As a engineer myself,, it was appalling. Locals living in the area warned them that they were wrong, but they were dismissed.
Hope he wasn’t living off that land... that was never mentioned. He should get reimbursed for loss of wage.
3:50 is where the problem started. "This plan won't properly drain water away. We should run it into this nearby culvert instead." ~ "Yeah, but we have to get permission from ODOT first, and that would take time. Plus it would cost more money ." ~ "Dude, the alternative is to let it all flood the neighbor's farm." ~ "He'll be grateful for the irrigation, stop worrying so much about it." ~ "Okay, but it's on you." ~ ~ ~ "Of course I designed this properly! Tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about." (and keeps doubling down because he still doesn't want to take the time to do it properly, let alone admit he screwed up)
3:07 this is important. The city claims that they have no expertise and the “engineer”, a non protected title in the US (meaning anyone can call himself an engineer), certified that the installation was adequate. BUT at the same time, claim expertise to declare that the “heavy rainfalls” would result in the same result.
Unfortunately, lawsuit time. Sue the builder and get an injunction to stop building and selling the new properties for destruction of your property. Sue the city for land theft and illegal use of eminent domain. And sue the engineer for incompetence and negligence.
So... Did they sue?