I can see why some people don't like the R20, but for a certain group of people, it's an ideal multitracker for the price. I've mostly enjoyed using it and still think it can be a good value. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for all the work you have done on the series of R20 videos. Much appreciated. I think the sound reproduction is pretty good and glad I purchased one. I had a 'one -off' freeze but that's all. It would be nice if the record buttons could also be utilised as mute / record and would also be good to name the tracks.😊
I agree with you. And those actually seem like realistic things that could be added as firmware updates if Zoom continues to improve the product over time. I'm gonna stay optimistic that the R20 will get better if Zoom keeps creating updates every 3-4 months. Thanks for watching!
The "unstick" fader glitch is also present on my R16. On that device, it's something to do with the device reading which bank and what db level is set. Ex: fader 1 is also fader 9, if swapping banks while recording or mixing, *sometimes* the fader won't register to the track until it is moved. I haven't pinpointed the exact user move that causes it, but my work around is to arrange all Set & Forget tracks to bank 9-16, and use bank 1-8 for any fader moves I need during mixdown. I've encountered similar bank swap glitches on many devices so it's not a concern to me.
It's on the R16 too? Interesting. I don't think I've encountered it on my R8. But it is there on the R20. I'm also noticing it's more prevalent with stereo tracks. I'm hoping I can catch it on camera when I'm filming at some point so I can show everyone the glitch. Working with the different dedicated banks as you said is a good idea. And yeah, it hasn't been a big concern to me either, but it is annoying for 2 seconds when I encounter it.
@@GazRendar You mentioned stereo tracks and jogged a memory. First time I noticed it was after pushing fader "15" up then changed banks where I had stereo drums on 7 and 8. I lost drums on both tracks momentarily. I bet it's an issue during play/rec where CPU processing is maxxed and the delay after a bank swap is from being deemed a lower priority in the coding. Also had times on big recordings where I had to stop playback and literally jiggle all faders up and down on both banks to bring any audio. I feel like it's a processor lag. Reminds me of lag I encountered with early PowerMacs and large midi compositions.
Really digging your videos. One thing I really hope Zoom fixes is the ability to add fades and cross fades to tracks. I'm actually really surprised it didn't come with that feature. To me that's a pretty basic tool for editing. Almost seems like they forgot to add it in. Idk maybe I'm asking for too much.
Thanks! I think crossfades would be nice - they are standard on lots of audio and video editing software platforms. Even though it seems basic for that type of software, I'm not sure I see Zoom making crossfades a priority for R20 firmware updates. Would be cool, and I would totally use the feature if it was there, but I'm speculating (100% just me guessing) that Zoom thinks you can crossfade your tracks manually with the faders, so why bother worrying about adding a software fade at this time?
Yeah, that would be nice. But after looking through the wiring diagrams for the R20, I'm not entirely that would be possible, even with a firmware update.
@@GazRendar shame it can’t do that. right now I’m using behringer flow 8 with it as a stop gap move. Still I much prefer a self contained backing track player. Zoom should really invest in this since most drummer I knew used r8 as their foolproof backing track player
It depends on your needs, and if you want to also route inputs through your multitracker while playing backing tracks, but if you are looking strictly for a backing track player, the R12 (if you see it on sale for $249) might be better for you. That device has track routing for a little more precise control and flexibility, but more importantly, it has a feature called "Seq Play" that allows you to make a playlist of Projects (songs) that you can play in order. Works better as a backing track player because of that. However, it only has 2 inputs, which can be a deal breaker for a lot of people.
@@GazRendar gotcha, currently with r20 (which I've bought on sale😅) Sometimes I've use it to take outside interview and direct recording with band outside. I'm using it with camping battery power pack but r12 non reliance of dedicated psu (using powerbank) sure is tempting. Tho most of the times it's just a backing track player to substitute synth guy and bassist.
Hello Fantastic videos... Question will the r20 work with a regular blue usb computor for updates using a usb-c cable...also is a usb-c connector the same as the blue usb at the computer end...Thanks...again great videos !
You are most welcome! No, at this time there is no way to update the R20 via a USB C cable to a computer. I actually do not think you can even do it with a USB C flash drive. I'm pretty sure firmware updates can only be performed by introducing the new .BIN file on an SD card. If you need a reference, you can watch my video on how to update the firmware...it's easy to do, but you do need an SD card.
Yep! On the fader view just use the Mix Down feature. Mute whatever tracks you don't want to bounce. Then hit record and adjust the faders in real time for the length of the song and it will bounce down any active tracks into a single stereo track. From there you can re-import that stereo track back into the project. This is useful if you are recording acoustic drums with like, 6-8 mics. After you record the drums you can bounce them down into just a single stereo track and then keep the other tracks free for guitar, bass, synths, vocals, etc.
Great vídeo and Thanks for such a great useful information. I have a question? Do you know if Zoom is planning to develope an app for android. I dont have ios and cant use the wirelles BtA-1 control system that i bought. Thanks again.
Zoom still hasn't released an iOS app yet. And it feels like it might not come up until October or November the way things are going. With Zoom being so far behind on their iOS app development, I have to believe that they are even farther behind on Android app development - if there even is a plan for an Android app. I haven't heard anything, however, I've been watching the Zoom R20 website for some time now and I've never seen a mention of Android apps. My guess is that there either will not be an Android app, or any Android app that comes out will be far in the future. If I was betting money, there is no way I would bet on an Android app in the next 6 months.
Great vídeo! I have the zoom mrs 8 and the Boss Br 800, and iam thinking in get the mr 20. First got wait to get a used one, bc the brain New one here cost then times more 😭Greetings from brasil
I liked the BR800 because the built-in effects sounded pretty good for guitars. The R20 would be a nice modern upgrade from that if you think you'll use the touchscreen to edit your songs alot. I hope you find a good price if you decide to buy one!
@@GazRendar yep, for a good price for the mr20 is gonna take couple years. And i really like the Idea of mix the concept of old School computer daws where you can complete change the place where you want to fix the song in the track LINE.
Hi Gaz, its me again with a p[roblem that I didnt expect. I remember you saying that one of the firmware updates cured a bug where some tracks lost data after saving. This is hapening to me now, even after upgrading to version V2.4!!. Yesterday I saved a song using the project duplication process. After saving, I went back to the main screen only to find 2 of the tracks had disappeared. I rebooted the R20, but the tracks were not there anymore. I just wondered if you had any ideas what might have caused this. I did re-record the 2 missing tracks and this time it was fine after saving. Thanks in anticipation...Bernie
Wow, really? I was mentioning in the comments that the only time I lost audio data was like 1-2 seconds immediately after I recorded a fresh take and I hit STOP to stop recording and then hit STOP another time to go back to the beginning and that messed up the fresh recording. But every time I had the track clearly record, and I backed out to the project menu or shut the device off and came back to the project the audio tracks were always there. I haven't seen the problem you are talking about. There was a known issue on firmware v1.00 where audio, especially a track with multiple audio regions, would sometimes disappear. But that was supposed to be fixed by v2.00. That's crazy. I haven't seen that, but I'll keep an eye out for it. I'm hoping I can randomly encounter any of these recording/saving bugs while I'm filming a tutorial so I can show it to everyone, but that hasn't happened yet.
do you have any recommendations to do something similar to a punch in out like recording small sections to a song on multiple tracks then merging them into one track
Yeah, I totally need to make a video about this. You have two options...you can manually punch in and punch out, you just need someone to hit the record button at the right spot. Or you can record a 10 second section of what you want onto an open track (like part of a guitar solo), then tightly trim up that audio....from there splice out 10 seconds of unwanted parts of the 4 minute long track, and then drop your newly recorded audio region into that 4 minute long track. Here's a video I made about splicing and trimming audio regions to give you an idea of how it works: ruclips.net/video/vHLHkb5ZFD8/видео.html
The volume not changing on the slider is not a bug. It's in fact a very useful function that means all the track levels are saved for each song and is due to each slider controlling 2 channels. You have to move it to latch onto the remembered level for that track before it will work. It is the reason i bought it as it was alwaus a nightmare trying to remember the levels for tracks on songs.
Thank you for that clarification. I've realized that over time with more use since initially posting this video, which is indeed very helpful. You mentioning it here reminds me that I should incorporate discussing that feature into a future R20 video. However, I have still experienced a different bug where my fader control has legit stopped changing the level output for that particular track even when I've matched up the physical fader to latch with the ghost fader. It's rare, and odd, but it can take several rounds of moving the fader fully up and down on the board before it catches again - hasn't mattered if it's mono or stereo. I've been trying to capture that on video, along with another rare audio recording bug that rarely happens when you hit STOP too quick after recording a fresh audio take.
Oh yeah, plenty. The Pocket Operator video game RUclips covers that I've made in the past year were 100% recorded and mixed down on the R20. Those are relatively simple recordings that used 2 to 5 tracks. Here are two examples: ruclips.net/video/2cvtRTkKElI/видео.html ruclips.net/video/4aY3Cpcza5s/видео.html I've also been recording with guitar, bass, synths and drums on the R20 for the past year. I haven't posted any of that content on RUclips. So far I've only used some of that for little things I do at work for my full time job. At moment I'm trying to use the R20 to make a full album...but that's a goal that will take me at least all of 2023. It's one of my resolutions for this year, so we'll see if I get there. Overall, I think it works well if you want a multitrack recorder for guitar, drums, bass, vocals and some synths. If you are the type of person that wants to record 3-5 sync'd synths at once, you'd be better off going with some kind of DAW and an interface that sends out a MIDI clock. I do wish it offered 48kHz sample rates for recording, but if it's easier for you to pick up a guitar and have a no-fuss recording experience away from a computer set-up, the R20 is a solid choice. However, for people who have no problem recording in front of a computer and have a nice interface for it, the DAW will always offer more powerful features by comparison.
Oh yeah? I haven't had that one happen to me yet. Did a power off/power on fix it? The only other thing that I noticed gets wonky is if I use one of the drum patterns, loop it like 40 times, and then try to record guitar on another track. It works, but once in awhile the rewind or fast forward seems a tiny bit laggy when I have a lot of audio regions. But I haven't experienced a full freeze yet.
I'm still waiting for the iOS app. I won't buy one of these until that app arrives. Frankly, I'm losing faith that it will ever arrive. I'll probably stick with my R8 until then
Eh, I still think it will arrive. Eventually. Zoom has put way too much advertising into it for it to not show up. I just hope it works well when it does arrive. I still use my R8 and love it...so unless you need the extra XLR inputs or you need the touchscreen for light editing, there isn't a huge reason to upgrade from your R8 just yet. Thanks for watching!
@@GazRendar I’ve got a Livetrak L20 which is basically unusable without the app so I’m a bit wary of this. I realise it’s not the same but I’m still hesitant
Oh wow, you have an L-20 and an R8? Yeah, I probably would just wait for the app and hopefully a few more improvements before pulling the trigger on the R20. I do think R20 is going to get better with time, but man, with the gear you already have, you just have too much redundancy for me to recommend you buy a R20 today.
@@GazRendar I use the L20 to mix and record our band. It mostly sits in storage till we need it for a gig. The R8 I got cheap from a pawn shop and I just use it at home for practice and mucking around. It’s battery powered, portable and really convenient. The R20 would replace the R8 but it’s not urgent.
Agreed. For the synth community it's a significant shortcoming. For the guitar/bass/drum type bands out there it's not a big deal. I think historically, Zoom has mostly focused on those guitar/bass/drums/vocals types of users. You can still use it with synths and sequencers, and you can still line up tracks using the touchscreen...but it's not as convenient as having some kind of MIDI clock/sync.
@@GazRendar I am a guitar player ;-) but sometimes I use midi files as backing tracks . Mostly bass, drums ... I record the midi file track per track from a midi player so that I can still adapt the mix. Would be handy that I can sync those tracks ;-)
By no means do I think the R20 is a good fit for everyone. In fact, most musicians should not buy it. However, if you are worried about durability - I actually wouldn't call it flimsy. The build quality really isn't that bad. Sure, it's a plastic housing, but it's pretty solid and the important parts - the faders - have a healthy amount of resistance to create accurate mixes. The inputs are also snug fits for male XLRs and 1/4", maybe even too tight. The physical buttons are plastic, but they are snappy and responsive and the knobs are fine to use. My R8 is over 10 years old and still going strong. I think it's not unreasonable to believe the R20 will last ten years with regular use if you take care of it.
@@GazRendar ;)....true.. i d use it as a player in a dawless setup...but that would be overkill.... for recording? no way. I m still waiting for something good to go dawless. Haven t seen anything yet.....the tascam DP is a no go also, and the rode thingie is expensive for what it does.....I ll stick to my good audio interfaces and daw, which i really don t like...LOL ;)...The daw thing fucks my groove and creativity ... Take care bro.... Enjoy your new baby ;)
Yeah, I've had a PreSonus AudioBox 2 for a couple years now and I just don't like being stuck next to my desktop computer and for whatever reason the recording process with a DAW has never been enjoyable because I feel it messes with your flow, as you said. The R20 isn't perfect, but it's more immediate for the recording part of music creation, and then it gives me a chance to do some light editing. I'm still waiting for a perfect product too!
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Thank You Again Gaz for keeping us updated !!!
You bet. Always happy to help!
I've had my R20 for about 3 months and still have not used it yet, but I thank you for keeping me informed...!!!
Well, you'll be ready to go when you finally power the thing up. Just update that firmware right away!
Cheers for the video. It’s a great easy to use product! It’s the best £349 I’ve spent in recent years!! Love it!!
I can see why some people don't like the R20, but for a certain group of people, it's an ideal multitracker for the price. I've mostly enjoyed using it and still think it can be a good value. Thanks for watching!
@@GazRendar 👍👍
Thanks for all the work you have done on the series of R20 videos. Much appreciated. I think the sound reproduction is pretty good and glad I purchased one. I had a 'one -off' freeze but that's all. It would be nice if the record buttons could also be utilised as mute / record and would also be good to name the tracks.😊
I agree with you. And those actually seem like realistic things that could be added as firmware updates if Zoom continues to improve the product over time. I'm gonna stay optimistic that the R20 will get better if Zoom keeps creating updates every 3-4 months. Thanks for watching!
@@GazRendar Yes lets hope so. I'm happy with it but it compliments my Zoom R24 rather than replacing it.
The "unstick" fader glitch is also present on my R16. On that device, it's something to do with the device reading which bank and what db level is set. Ex: fader 1 is also fader 9, if swapping banks while recording or mixing, *sometimes* the fader won't register to the track until it is moved. I haven't pinpointed the exact user move that causes it, but my work around is to arrange all Set & Forget tracks to bank 9-16, and use bank 1-8 for any fader moves I need during mixdown.
I've encountered similar bank swap glitches on many devices so it's not a concern to me.
It's on the R16 too? Interesting. I don't think I've encountered it on my R8. But it is there on the R20. I'm also noticing it's more prevalent with stereo tracks. I'm hoping I can catch it on camera when I'm filming at some point so I can show everyone the glitch. Working with the different dedicated banks as you said is a good idea. And yeah, it hasn't been a big concern to me either, but it is annoying for 2 seconds when I encounter it.
@@GazRendar You mentioned stereo tracks and jogged a memory. First time I noticed it was after pushing fader "15" up then changed banks where I had stereo drums on 7 and 8. I lost drums on both tracks momentarily. I bet it's an issue during play/rec where CPU processing is maxxed and the delay after a bank swap is from being deemed a lower priority in the coding. Also had times on big recordings where I had to stop playback and literally jiggle all faders up and down on both banks to bring any audio.
I feel like it's a processor lag. Reminds me of lag I encountered with early PowerMacs and large midi compositions.
Really digging your videos. One thing I really hope Zoom fixes is the ability to add fades and cross fades to tracks. I'm actually really surprised it didn't come with that feature. To me that's a pretty basic tool for editing. Almost seems like they forgot to add it in. Idk maybe I'm asking for too much.
Thanks!
I think crossfades would be nice - they are standard on lots of audio and video editing software platforms. Even though it seems basic for that type of software, I'm not sure I see Zoom making crossfades a priority for R20 firmware updates. Would be cool, and I would totally use the feature if it was there, but I'm speculating (100% just me guessing) that Zoom thinks you can crossfade your tracks manually with the faders, so why bother worrying about adding a software fade at this time?
The only update that I want is different track mix in output and headphones.
Since I’m using this stuff strictly as backing track player for the band.
Yeah, that would be nice. But after looking through the wiring diagrams for the R20, I'm not entirely that would be possible, even with a firmware update.
@@GazRendar shame it can’t do that. right now I’m using behringer flow 8 with it as a stop gap move. Still I much prefer a self contained backing track player.
Zoom should really invest in this since most drummer I knew used r8 as their foolproof backing track player
It depends on your needs, and if you want to also route inputs through your multitracker while playing backing tracks, but if you are looking strictly for a backing track player, the R12 (if you see it on sale for $249) might be better for you. That device has track routing for a little more precise control and flexibility, but more importantly, it has a feature called "Seq Play" that allows you to make a playlist of Projects (songs) that you can play in order. Works better as a backing track player because of that. However, it only has 2 inputs, which can be a deal breaker for a lot of people.
@@GazRendar gotcha, currently with r20 (which I've bought on sale😅)
Sometimes I've use it to take outside interview and direct recording with band outside.
I'm using it with camping battery power pack but r12 non reliance of dedicated psu (using powerbank) sure is tempting.
Tho most of the times it's just a backing track player to substitute synth guy and bassist.
Hello Fantastic videos... Question will the r20 work with a regular blue usb computor for updates using a usb-c cable...also is a usb-c connector the same as the blue usb at the computer end...Thanks...again great videos !
You are most welcome!
No, at this time there is no way to update the R20 via a USB C cable to a computer. I actually do not think you can even do it with a USB C flash drive. I'm pretty sure firmware updates can only be performed by introducing the new .BIN file on an SD card. If you need a reference, you can watch my video on how to update the firmware...it's easy to do, but you do need an SD card.
Is there a video, that enybody doing a multitrack record with instruments on zoom 20??? All the videos are talking about it.
Hi Gaz. Your selfless effort should be highly appreciated by all of us who benefit from it. I wish you the best my friend. Hugs
Well with kind words like that I'm more than happy to keep making videos for multitracker users. Thanks Jose!
I definitely second that! thank you is not enough, but thank you!
Can you bounce tracks to free some up for further recording?
Yep! On the fader view just use the Mix Down feature. Mute whatever tracks you don't want to bounce. Then hit record and adjust the faders in real time for the length of the song and it will bounce down any active tracks into a single stereo track. From there you can re-import that stereo track back into the project. This is useful if you are recording acoustic drums with like, 6-8 mics. After you record the drums you can bounce them down into just a single stereo track and then keep the other tracks free for guitar, bass, synths, vocals, etc.
@@GazRendar awesome! Thank you. Great series of videos. 👍🏻😀
Great vídeo and Thanks for such a great useful information.
I have a question? Do you know if Zoom is planning to develope an app for android. I dont have ios and cant use the wirelles BtA-1 control system that i bought. Thanks again.
Zoom still hasn't released an iOS app yet. And it feels like it might not come up until October or November the way things are going. With Zoom being so far behind on their iOS app development, I have to believe that they are even farther behind on Android app development - if there even is a plan for an Android app. I haven't heard anything, however, I've been watching the Zoom R20 website for some time now and I've never seen a mention of Android apps. My guess is that there either will not be an Android app, or any Android app that comes out will be far in the future. If I was betting money, there is no way I would bet on an Android app in the next 6 months.
@@GazRendar thank You very much for such a fast responde. You are very kind.
Great vídeo! I have the zoom mrs 8 and the Boss Br 800, and iam thinking in get the mr 20. First got wait to get a used one, bc the brain New one here cost then times more 😭Greetings from brasil
I liked the BR800 because the built-in effects sounded pretty good for guitars. The R20 would be a nice modern upgrade from that if you think you'll use the touchscreen to edit your songs alot. I hope you find a good price if you decide to buy one!
@@GazRendar yep, for a good price for the mr20 is gonna take couple years. And i really like the Idea of mix the concept of old School computer daws where you can complete change the place where you want to fix the song in the track LINE.
Hi Gaz, its me again with a p[roblem that I didnt expect. I remember you saying that one of the firmware updates cured a bug where some tracks lost data after saving. This is hapening to me now, even after upgrading to version V2.4!!. Yesterday I saved a song using the project duplication process. After saving, I went back to the main screen only to find 2 of the tracks had disappeared. I rebooted the R20, but the tracks were not there anymore. I just wondered if you had any ideas what might have caused this. I did re-record the 2 missing tracks and this time it was fine after saving. Thanks in anticipation...Bernie
Wow, really? I was mentioning in the comments that the only time I lost audio data was like 1-2 seconds immediately after I recorded a fresh take and I hit STOP to stop recording and then hit STOP another time to go back to the beginning and that messed up the fresh recording. But every time I had the track clearly record, and I backed out to the project menu or shut the device off and came back to the project the audio tracks were always there.
I haven't seen the problem you are talking about. There was a known issue on firmware v1.00 where audio, especially a track with multiple audio regions, would sometimes disappear. But that was supposed to be fixed by v2.00.
That's crazy. I haven't seen that, but I'll keep an eye out for it. I'm hoping I can randomly encounter any of these recording/saving bugs while I'm filming a tutorial so I can show it to everyone, but that hasn't happened yet.
@@GazRendar Thanks Gaz. It might be worth escalating up yo Zoom Tech support then to see what they have to say about it. Will keep you posted.
do you have any recommendations to do something similar to a punch in out like recording small sections to a song on multiple tracks then merging them into one track
Yeah, I totally need to make a video about this. You have two options...you can manually punch in and punch out, you just need someone to hit the record button at the right spot. Or you can record a 10 second section of what you want onto an open track (like part of a guitar solo), then tightly trim up that audio....from there splice out 10 seconds of unwanted parts of the 4 minute long track, and then drop your newly recorded audio region into that 4 minute long track. Here's a video I made about splicing and trimming audio regions to give you an idea of how it works:
ruclips.net/video/vHLHkb5ZFD8/видео.html
The volume not changing on the slider is not a bug. It's in fact a very useful function that means all the track levels are saved for each song and is due to each slider controlling 2 channels. You have to move it to latch onto the remembered level for that track before it will work. It is the reason i bought it as it was alwaus a nightmare trying to remember the levels for tracks on songs.
I expected that was the case. I seem to recall that feature on another unit I had years ago.
Thank you for that clarification. I've realized that over time with more use since initially posting this video, which is indeed very helpful. You mentioning it here reminds me that I should incorporate discussing that feature into a future R20 video.
However, I have still experienced a different bug where my fader control has legit stopped changing the level output for that particular track even when I've matched up the physical fader to latch with the ghost fader. It's rare, and odd, but it can take several rounds of moving the fader fully up and down on the board before it catches again - hasn't mattered if it's mono or stereo. I've been trying to capture that on video, along with another rare audio recording bug that rarely happens when you hit STOP too quick after recording a fresh audio take.
Have u recorded any music on this thing?
Oh yeah, plenty. The Pocket Operator video game RUclips covers that I've made in the past year were 100% recorded and mixed down on the R20. Those are relatively simple recordings that used 2 to 5 tracks. Here are two examples:
ruclips.net/video/2cvtRTkKElI/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/4aY3Cpcza5s/видео.html
I've also been recording with guitar, bass, synths and drums on the R20 for the past year. I haven't posted any of that content on RUclips. So far I've only used some of that for little things I do at work for my full time job. At moment I'm trying to use the R20 to make a full album...but that's a goal that will take me at least all of 2023. It's one of my resolutions for this year, so we'll see if I get there.
Overall, I think it works well if you want a multitrack recorder for guitar, drums, bass, vocals and some synths. If you are the type of person that wants to record 3-5 sync'd synths at once, you'd be better off going with some kind of DAW and an interface that sends out a MIDI clock. I do wish it offered 48kHz sample rates for recording, but if it's easier for you to pick up a guitar and have a no-fuss recording experience away from a computer set-up, the R20 is a solid choice. However, for people who have no problem recording in front of a computer and have a nice interface for it, the DAW will always offer more powerful features by comparison.
Had the unit freeze when trying to rewind.
Oh yeah? I haven't had that one happen to me yet. Did a power off/power on fix it? The only other thing that I noticed gets wonky is if I use one of the drum patterns, loop it like 40 times, and then try to record guitar on another track. It works, but once in awhile the rewind or fast forward seems a tiny bit laggy when I have a lot of audio regions. But I haven't experienced a full freeze yet.
I'm still waiting for the iOS app. I won't buy one of these until that app arrives. Frankly, I'm losing faith that it will ever arrive. I'll probably stick with my R8 until then
Eh, I still think it will arrive. Eventually. Zoom has put way too much advertising into it for it to not show up. I just hope it works well when it does arrive. I still use my R8 and love it...so unless you need the extra XLR inputs or you need the touchscreen for light editing, there isn't a huge reason to upgrade from your R8 just yet. Thanks for watching!
@@GazRendar I’ve got a Livetrak L20 which is basically unusable without the app so I’m a bit wary of this. I realise it’s not the same but I’m still hesitant
Oh wow, you have an L-20 and an R8? Yeah, I probably would just wait for the app and hopefully a few more improvements before pulling the trigger on the R20. I do think R20 is going to get better with time, but man, with the gear you already have, you just have too much redundancy for me to recommend you buy a R20 today.
@@GazRendar I use the L20 to mix and record our band. It mostly sits in storage till we need it for a gig. The R8 I got cheap from a pawn shop and I just use it at home for practice and mucking around. It’s battery powered, portable and really convenient. The R20 would replace the R8 but it’s not urgent.
If only it could sync external gear through midi....For me that is the most important "flaw".
Agreed. For the synth community it's a significant shortcoming. For the guitar/bass/drum type bands out there it's not a big deal. I think historically, Zoom has mostly focused on those guitar/bass/drums/vocals types of users. You can still use it with synths and sequencers, and you can still line up tracks using the touchscreen...but it's not as convenient as having some kind of MIDI clock/sync.
@@GazRendar I am a guitar player ;-) but sometimes I use midi files as backing tracks . Mostly bass, drums ... I record the midi file track per track from a midi player so that I can still adapt the mix. Would be handy that I can sync those tracks ;-)
Some kind of sync would be nice. Here's hoping Zoom does something there with a future update...
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Yep. On the zoom website and on amazon as well...at least until the end of August. I made a video about it:
ruclips.net/video/tboNGOEJ7Tg/видео.html
punch in punch out????
No, at least not on v2.40 firmware.
This is a very flimsy device....I would never buy this, ever
By no means do I think the R20 is a good fit for everyone. In fact, most musicians should not buy it. However, if you are worried about durability - I actually wouldn't call it flimsy. The build quality really isn't that bad. Sure, it's a plastic housing, but it's pretty solid and the important parts - the faders - have a healthy amount of resistance to create accurate mixes. The inputs are also snug fits for male XLRs and 1/4", maybe even too tight. The physical buttons are plastic, but they are snappy and responsive and the knobs are fine to use. My R8 is over 10 years old and still going strong. I think it's not unreasonable to believe the R20 will last ten years with regular use if you take care of it.
@@GazRendar ;)....true.. i d use it as a player in a dawless setup...but that would be overkill.... for recording? no way. I m still waiting for something good to go dawless. Haven t seen anything yet.....the tascam DP is a no go also, and the rode thingie is expensive for what it does.....I ll stick to my good audio interfaces and daw, which i really don t like...LOL ;)...The daw thing fucks my groove and creativity ... Take care bro.... Enjoy your new baby ;)
Yeah, I've had a PreSonus AudioBox 2 for a couple years now and I just don't like being stuck next to my desktop computer and for whatever reason the recording process with a DAW has never been enjoyable because I feel it messes with your flow, as you said. The R20 isn't perfect, but it's more immediate for the recording part of music creation, and then it gives me a chance to do some light editing. I'm still waiting for a perfect product too!
@@GazRendar yeah mate ;)