Very helpful! When starting off, it could be discouraging to compare yourself to professionals. It's good to have a goal but also to have patience with yourself in reaching that goal. Try to beat your own record and I think you'll gradually get where you want to be. Finally, be aware of how long it takes you to work on a page or piece before you just find yourself getting sick of looking at it. It's probably better to start the whole page over before getting to that point...
Hey Travis! Yeah I think managing your own expectations is a huge challenge here! Getting blind to the image or burnt out on it is a real danger haha:) especially with those larger more detailed pages. People often imagine they want more time but then getting more quality and detail can be it’s own challenge. It can be tricky to have the patience to spend so long on something!
@@TheDrawingCodex The blindness is real. Sometimes it works out for the better, right? I think any artwork I've stared at too long ends up looking ghastly only to look great later on down the line after giving myself some time away from it. I didn't directly go into comics since starting drawing/painting, so I'm used to spending two weeks or more staring at a thing. I found out early my line of tolerance! But there does seem to be an invisible force of energy that dissipates slowly as soon as you put that first mark on that page... At least, that's my observation.
The manga page pace depends on the frequency of the manga magazine and the pages your manga takes up per issue. Almost all mangas are first published in the form of weekly or monthly manga magazine. Each magazine have their niche audience and feature 12 or so serialized manga series per issue. Shonen jump and Ribon are popular manga magazines. Shonen jump comes out weekly and usually each manga is given 15-30 pages. Equivalent of one or half TV manga epidode. Once your series have enough pages the manga series are bound up into tankobons (manga books) and sold in book shops. most popular Mangas are turned into anime TV series. So for a typical Shonen manga series the manga artist has couple of days to brainstorm the story and the do rough page layout, 3ish days to finish 15-30 pages plus title page, plus for a popular series you have additional full colour pictures to feature on covers/advertisements etc The manga artist usually have 1-3 assistants to help over those 3 drawing days with backgrounds, effect etc. Most manga artist prefer to draw the characters and leave the backgrounds for assistants. Their drawn up pages are then given to their editor on the 5th or 6th day, the designer adds type, magazines are printed, bound and distributed on the 7th day. This repeats every week, non stop. Most manga artist work every day of the year as long as their Mangas are featured on manga magazine. They hardly get a break until their series finish or they get sick.
Yeah, manga artists are on another level when it comes to work ethic. But they have a massive pool of amateur manga creators, from which to scout out the rare creator who can and is willing to work like a dog.
I just found your channel thru this video. At the beggining I was worried about how slow I am....until you got to the very end, then fiuu. yes, I have been working in the french market for years. I cant imagine how can deliver more than 7-8 pages a month. At the beggining of my carreer I couldnt make more than 3-4.
Thank you for this video, right now I'm currently struggling with finding the right style for comics that is something I'd be happy with, but at the same time would be reasonable to do time-wise. A current problem I have is that I like to draw lines/lineart because I started drawing with fineliner pens for years, but at the same time I find I like to digitally color like a painter would and I just don't really like the look of flat/toon shading. However, because of this I often run into the problem that the image as a whole either needed more work to an at least acceptable level, or that i put way too much time into it that wouldn't be sustainable for a comic-making career. I can't seem to manage a middle ground. I'm sorry if it's ends up kind of vague but do you have any insight for this problem?
What I noticed with manga artists is, that when they do the storybarding, they sort of just improvise and don't spend too much time on it. Some manga artists are able to do like 16 pages of storyboarding in 2 hours, and they still produce great stories. I don't know how they do it. You just have to be so creative to work at that pace. I am way too indecisive for this. The storyboarding phase is such an important part of the creation, yet they do it so fast, almost as if they already have it layed out in their head beforehand. I think that's the only way how to keep up with such a pace tho. You have to be able to very quickly know what you want to draw, because the drawing itself already takes up so much time.
Very helpful! When starting off, it could be discouraging to compare yourself to professionals. It's good to have a goal but also to have patience with yourself in reaching that goal. Try to beat your own record and I think you'll gradually get where you want to be. Finally, be aware of how long it takes you to work on a page or piece before you just find yourself getting sick of looking at it. It's probably better to start the whole page over before getting to that point...
Hey Travis! Yeah I think managing your own expectations is a huge challenge here! Getting blind to the image or burnt out on it is a real danger haha:) especially with those larger more detailed pages. People often imagine they want more time but then getting more quality and detail can be it’s own challenge. It can be tricky to have the patience to spend so long on something!
@@TheDrawingCodex The blindness is real. Sometimes it works out for the better, right? I think any artwork I've stared at too long ends up looking ghastly only to look great later on down the line after giving myself some time away from it. I didn't directly go into comics since starting drawing/painting, so I'm used to spending two weeks or more staring at a thing. I found out early my line of tolerance! But there does seem to be an invisible force of energy that dissipates slowly as soon as you put that first mark on that page... At least, that's my observation.
The manga page pace depends on the frequency of the manga magazine and the pages your manga takes up per issue. Almost all mangas are first published in the form of weekly or monthly manga magazine. Each magazine have their niche audience and feature 12 or so serialized manga series per issue. Shonen jump and Ribon are popular manga magazines. Shonen jump comes out weekly and usually each manga is given 15-30 pages. Equivalent of one or half TV manga epidode. Once your series have enough pages the manga series are bound up into tankobons (manga books) and sold in book shops. most popular Mangas are turned into anime TV series. So for a typical Shonen manga series the manga artist has couple of days to brainstorm the story and the do rough page layout, 3ish days to finish 15-30 pages plus title page, plus for a popular series you have additional full colour pictures to feature on covers/advertisements etc The manga artist usually have 1-3 assistants to help over those 3 drawing days with backgrounds, effect etc. Most manga artist prefer to draw the characters and leave the backgrounds for assistants. Their drawn up pages are then given to their editor on the 5th or 6th day, the designer adds type, magazines are printed, bound and distributed on the 7th day. This repeats every week, non stop. Most manga artist work every day of the year as long as their Mangas are featured on manga magazine. They hardly get a break until their series finish or they get sick.
Yeah, manga artists are on another level when it comes to work ethic. But they have a massive pool of amateur manga creators, from which to scout out the rare creator who can and is willing to work like a dog.
This was very insightful, thanks, it motivates me to start a page instead of endlessy doing studies.
24:16 Thank you!
Tim ,I watched your live on IAMAG an wanted more im very happy to see you have this work here, its pure gold.
I just found your channel thru this video. At the beggining I was worried about how slow I am....until you got to the very end, then fiuu. yes, I have been working in the french market for years. I cant imagine how can deliver more than 7-8 pages a month. At the beggining of my carreer I couldnt make more than 3-4.
Thank you for this video, right now I'm currently struggling with finding the right style for comics that is something I'd be happy with, but at the same time would be reasonable to do time-wise. A current problem I have is that I like to draw lines/lineart because I started drawing with fineliner pens for years, but at the same time I find I like to digitally color like a painter would and I just don't really like the look of flat/toon shading. However, because of this I often run into the problem that the image as a whole either needed more work to an at least acceptable level, or that i put way too much time into it that wouldn't be sustainable for a comic-making career. I can't seem to manage a middle ground. I'm sorry if it's ends up kind of vague but do you have any insight for this problem?
That’s a great question! Do you mind if I make a video answer on the channel? It will save me a lot of typing!
@@TheDrawingCodex Sure! Thank you so much for taking the time for my question
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very informative video!!!
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You kinda look like Ewan McGregor. Great video :)
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What I noticed with manga artists is, that when they do the storybarding, they sort of just improvise and don't spend too much time on it. Some manga artists are able to do like 16 pages of storyboarding in 2 hours, and they still produce great stories. I don't know how they do it. You just have to be so creative to work at that pace. I am way too indecisive for this. The storyboarding phase is such an important part of the creation, yet they do it so fast, almost as if they already have it layed out in their head beforehand. I think that's the only way how to keep up with such a pace tho. You have to be able to very quickly know what you want to draw, because the drawing itself already takes up so much time.
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