Right or left wing? | '24-'25 Player Previews: Vladimir Tarasenko, Andrew Copp & Albert Johansson
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Tarasenko had 17 5v5 goals last season, which would have been tied for 1st on the Red Wings. What side where the lethal shooter play on with the Red Wings. Andrew Copp saw his role become very specific as a defense-first center, and his production dip as a result, can it improve? Albert Johansson is poised to make his NHL debut this season, can he crack the packed D-core? #LGRW
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Copp has been used for more defensive situations and I can see him switching to the wing which should up his offensive production. For that to happen, Kasper or Danielson will have to make the team. If they make the team, then I expect Veleno or Berggren to be traded.
Full season of Kane is the most exciting thing about this team other than tracking the ascension of Lucas Raymond
You’re right life sucks
@@ajmpatriot4899 lol I never said life sucks. It's really great to have those things. I just disagree with Brian on fans being most excited about Tarasenko and Edvinsson this year. Sure, those are new, but for me it's full season of nearly point per game Kaner and Lucas Raymond hopefully reaching new heights that are most exciting. 🤷
I think Raymond has a lot riding on him this year but he seems
To play better in bigger games and clutch moments- if he can even that out wow looking at 85-100 points easy - Larkin should get 95-110 it he does well 82 think cat will be around 75/95 ish they have allot to play with this year
@@professorex.19lol not to bomb ya but you should be excited about the whole team
And the young guys we may not like it but in 5 years we should. Be in the playoffs for a long time depending on way things got this year and next - hurts that tigers and wings are damn hurting for money so don’t expect us to do anting much with tigers or wings money wise with a huge player - bottom line is this team need to be able to change have a top line which player can play on first second or 3rd line - back in day even burg and then pavel we able to be tossed on 3rd line for a shake up - not something we can do at this time which sucks but team has Raymond and others - ppl forget so offent Stevie hasn’t he a season what cap goes to players long retired
@@DarrellDJP84 oh trust me, I'm excited for all of it. I have tickets for multiple games and am super ready. I just was emphasizing what I felt fans were MOST excited for which was different from what Brian emphasized in the episode.
Tarasenko would probably be more comfortable on the right side and we want more offense for Copp...hmmm...
Also don't see why Johansson can't earn a top 4 spot next to Edvinsson. Ed did it, and Aljo got as much praise as he did for his play in GR.
Johansson also played most of last season as a right d next to Edvinsson, just sayin🙃
100% excited for training camp to start.
I’m starved for content brother
@@LockedOnRedWingslol hey I just gave you some content ideas in my other comment! :)
I have a good feeling about Tarasenko this season. I watch a lot of Panthers hockey and Tarasenko plays defense more than people think. This could because, he bought into Paul Maurice system but he can be somewhat of a two way player. Him and Kane going to be fun to watch. Let’s go Wings!
I don’t think Tarasenko is good defensively but I also don’t think he’s trash defensively like a lot of fans say he is
Oh man, if ASP makes the roster to bump out Petry, I'd be hyped!
Asp isn’t even going to ahl this year. He’s overseas for 24/25
Bergrenn - Larkin - Raymond
Cat - Compher - Kane
Ras - Copp - Teresenko
Motte - Veleno - Fishcher
Could happen.
No....
Switch Berggren and Cat
Zero chance Berggren plays on top 6 without a major injury. He’s sprong 2.0 where did sprong play.
@jackconrad2667 more then likely Bergs will be a healthy scratch unless he changes up his play style, problem is, if he focuses more on defense then his offensive numbers will dip and now he really dosent have any value at all. I guess it is possible he can be better defensively and still be effective offensively but highly doubt it.
@@joe2.017 I can see him play 3rd and fourth line. He has a good shot. But man he is terrible on defense. Probably a lot of offensive zone starts
Hey guys, can you make a video comparing our current lineup, expected goals for expected goals by each position, to see if we’ve improved? I know you’ve discussed this before but I don’t recall seeing a side by side position comparison between last season and this season.
And then measure the difference on D and goaltending to see if we’ve gotten better, worse, or stayed the same?
And I know it’s a lot to ask, but could you do the same for the teams we’re expected to compete with for our conference to see if our expected goals with D changes measure up to the next closest teams?
I know I’ve asked for a lot lol. But hey it would be a ton of video content!
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if Lalonde screws Kane over again w the lineups to favor Raymond it will be one of the more shameful things in recent hockey history considering what Kane has done for the franchise this offseason, while Raymond basically holds out.
Kane Cat Larkin last year outscored opponents 14-6 in 152 minutes together. Raymond Cat Larkin last year outscored opponents 23-17 in 309 minutes together. do the math and the Kane version of that line is +16 or +17 in the same amount of icetime, instead of +6, with both significantly more goals scored and significantly fewer goals allowed. The Raymond version has slightly better Corsi (53.4% to 51.6%) but that is largely due to a horrific last game (out of only 11 total together) vs NYR for the Kane version bc of a bad d pair attached to them, plus the Raymond version being hot at the end vs inferior competition. The Kane version has a better shots for %, 55.1% to 51.7%.
The Kane version of that line is by far the best line the team had last year. It was also the top line the team had at its peak, in February. It got broken up three times - the first time bc Raymond was so far underwater and taking such huge minuses while producing nothing that Lalonde felt he had to bail him out w Larkin; the 2nd time bc Larkin got hurt and Lalonde when Larkin came back gave him to Raymond to "reward" Raymond's hot streak (which was at least 50% the product of Pat Kane passing on the power play), the 3rd time bc Lalonde intentionally sabotaged the Kane line vs NY by refusing to put them out w any other d pair but Walman Gostisbehere, even tho in limited action w every other d pair that game they were fine. Walman was so horrific in that game he wouldn't play again the rest of the year.
All year last year Lalonde looked for any slightest excuse to break that line up, not play that line, and give it to Raymond instead. He avoided even giving them any random shifts together if he could bc he knew they'd look good and create controversy. I remember the game at Nashville where they got one stray shift together after a power play, immediate grade fast break chance from Kane to Larkin. Never played another shift together the rest of that game, Nashville wins 1-0.
Kane has earned Larkin at center, and more importantly, he NEEDS Larkin at center. He cannot play with JT Compher. Kane is not a play driver or a puck digger outer.
If Kane is with Compher, he will not produce, and the 2nd line will not produce. And that will be a problem bc the team now has no scoring depth. And it doesn't matter even if Cat is the other wing. Cat Kane Compher played together extensively last year, they never clicked, they never got much better together. They are mismatched. Compher is not fast enough for them. They don't drive play or dig for pucks. They play pure offense. They require Larkin, of the team's center options, to activate them offensively. And with him the payoff is enormous - both become superstar producers at even strength.
Raymond is supposed to be a play driver. There are some others who can play w him and dig out pucks (and he can himself dig out pucks). He should, in theory, be able to drive his own line and succeed wo Larkin at center. Maybe not put up the same totals, but still produce if there is a quality winger w him such as Tarasenko or Cat (Kane does not necessarily require Cat, tho he should have Cat - he could also succeed imo w Tarasenko or Berggren at the other wing w Larkin centering).
The right lineup choice here is fairly obvious. The team will fail miserably if Kane Compher is a thing again. It will be a one line team.
Also btw - if Lalonde had used Kane Cat Larkin as the top line the last two games vs Washington, the team wins both easily and makes the playoffs. They beat them 8-3, like a rented mule, in Feb w that top line. Was a highlight reel from the whole team. Lalonde refused to use it vs them the last two times, and the season was lost. One more thing - one of the major problems last year w the lineup was Perron. Who at 5v5 was simply really horrible all year. But Lalonde refused to stop putting him in the top 6. So any time you got one of the mega lines as top line, whichever winger was left out would be stuck w Compher and Perron. this is a large part of why Raymond was so bad in December when Cat Kane Larkin were a line. Even after they gave him Larkin back, they kept Perron on as the other wing and the line was still terrible. Swapping Tarasenko in for Perron should change all this and enable them to safely play Raymond w neither Larkin nor Cat.
You actually just answered your own reason for them not being together. "Kane is not a play driver or a puck digger outer." Also a small sample size doesn't mean it would have continued throughout the whole season. Raymond actually worked on being better on the boards, which would have been the puck digger. He got bigger and worked on not falling down as much.
The other reasoning I could have seen, which we would not have known, is the workload being asked of Kane while still recovering. I am hoping to see more of the Cat, Larks, Kane line this season as he has had a full offseason to recover.
@@TG-ct2uw huh? Kane isn't and Cat really isn't either, which is why they require Larkin specifically of the centers available. They have huge payoff w him and wo him, you will get virtually nothing except for stray high skill miracle highlight plays the rare times they have possession. They won't get dominated (if together w Compher) or take minuses or anything, but you will have the opportunity cost of losing their incredible offensive potential. Raymond should be able to have much more success wo Larkin than they would given what we are told he is - IF his other winger is sufficient (ie not Perron last year). Tarasenko should solve this, and if the Wings are smart that signing was mostly for Raymond's benefit rather than Kane's. We'll see. I have zero faith in Lalonde's competence in these matters after last year's comedy of lineup errors. The good news is at least Yzerman took Perron away from him and put Senko in his place.
btw for anyone reading, lest there is any confusion, I am not saying Kane or Cat require Larkin to be any good, in a vacuum. just of the centers on the team, that is the one they require. Copp may work too, who knows, they looked ok w him in limited action. Compher definitely doesn't work. Veleno didn't seem to work tho they had good play w him, but no finish or real grade A chances, so something was missing there - as it often is from Joe's game w finishing.
yo wtf are you smoking 😭
@@Lamar-t5s nothing. i explained everything i said in great detail and posted the actual numbers. you want to argue w the data, feel free, it's the data. the Kane version of that line was way better than the Raymond version.
everybody saying second line but he hasnt played second line minutes in years. Even Yzerman said "top six/top nine forward" regarding Tank. I like the signing but if he gets 18 minutes a night we are likely misusing him.
I don't like how political Brian got in this episode. Left or right wing doesn't matter bro, I'm just trying to watch hockey
Dammit this made me laugh 😂
As for copp he will be used defensively again. I’m not expecting more offense from him. He’s overpaid but his role is 3rd line center and penalty kill. Win half the face offs and chip in here and there
Honestly tarasenko will have to play left side to get top 6 minutes. He will play 3rd line mainly but depending on the team Detroit plays he may slide on the second line on the left side.
I'd be okay with the Wings retaining some salary in order to move Copp. Dunno if they'd find any takers though.
@@andyq524 copp just isn’t the biggest issue right now. Holl and husso are far more problematic than copp.
Top six
Ray larky meowman
Vlad pavel kane
Make it happen
best line the team had last year was Kane Larkin DeBrincat. by a lot.
Playoffs, here we come!
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Go Wings, fan since the 50's. Your show is boring.
Roger that 😂