Good to see my video is being used to good use, 1:27:24 1:30:32 i also talked about the JaneDoe situation on my channel Thanks again for using my content as a source!
@@ShortFatOtaku I'm watching this on your Rumble channel, because RUclips needs to burn down, with only the janitors allowed to leave. I'm really just here to say, "Goddamn, boi, Aydin Paladin would be _proud_ of that video length."
@@AB0BA_69 I don't know how many times there have been lawsuits over it, but manipulating logs or screenshots of them to make it look like someone did something bad seems like per se' libel, as it should easily pass standards of being knowing and malicious in most cases. It might get complicated using internet handles, but if it's manipulation with a person's name or known likeness attached, that wouldn't be an issue either.
I think it's very telling that Emily found it easier to start an entire cancellation campaign to ruin Chuggaa's life than to simply tell him that she was uncomfortable.
Emily: don’t use Emile’s autism and awkwardness as a defense for his behaviour Also Emily: give me a break for not telling him, I’m an autistic depressed trans woman
It’s more fair than you’d think. As an autistic person, it can be very hard to stand up for yourself. My opinion on all this is that chuggaa just needs to learn how to not cross boundaries and, if he does, to recognize it and stop / apologize. Doesn’t deserve cancellation, just some guidance. EDIT: No judgment, I struggle with boundaries myself.
btw anyone who sees this Apparently Lady Emily is friends with Schafrillas Productions so if you see her make an appearance in a future ace attorney ranking or see schafrillas get cancelled in the future, now you know
It is kind of crazy to me that many people jumped on others defending Chuggaaconroy, saying things like "You don't know him! Stop assuming he's this good person!" Which to be fair is true, we don't know him. We are only outsiders looking in....But everyone took Masae's word as gospel. No one had the "you don't know them, don't believe them to be the good person they perpetuate!" argument when she dropped her receiptless , proof-less response. No one dared call into question her claims, everyone just trusted her deeply.....When the same logic applied. I'm not saying Chugga is 100% innocent, nor am I saying that Masae's claims about him making her uncomfortable were 100% invalid....But there is a bit of a discrepancy here, as everyone took Masae's side without batting an eye, but turned on people standing up for Chugga, as they were just "blind para-social fans". Then, it was proved Masae left out critical context, and it made Chugga look way worse while the internet was already piling on him, all in a controversy that didn't even involve her to begin with. Truly vile behavior on her part if you ask me.
I agree, I’ve lost respect for Masae after reading this further. I’ve watched her channel quite a bit, but after this, I immediately unsubscribed from her channel.
It’s because MasaeAnela has been so closely intertwined with Chuggaaconroy that his own fans were put on edge about her accusations against him. Yes it was a knee-jerk reaction but so what? She also just clearly had a bad breakup and wanted to dispel any rumours they were an item - not necessarily stabbing him in the back.
@@LinkMarioSamus But she completely stabbed him in the back by adding fuel to the fire that wasn’t needed, in a controversy that didn’t concern her. Everyone was already turning on him, and she made his situation far worse, despite NONE of this concerning her. Chugga had to explain the situation in his response along with the critical detail she decided to omit because her words held that much weight and so many people turned on him even more because of it. Drawing a line in the sand and making a statement was fair because of the over-lap within her and Chugaa’s fans, but she completely stabbed Emile in the back by dogpiling on him, and making herself completely untrustworthy imo by leaving out important context.
@@DoctorMinjinx She did not intend to stab him in the back. Actually such a notion that she did is revolting because it insinuates every decision of hers had to have him in mind specifically.
@@LinkMarioSamus I didn’t say she absolutely intended to stab him in the back. She may have not, I don’t know her or Emile. But leaving out that context DID stab him in the back, weather she truly intended that or not, we can never know as we don’t know either of them. But she made him look far worse when she left out important context, especially because everyone took Masae’s word without proof.
In my recommended I saw a video of CapriSun and Chugga watching the latest Nintendo Direct is was really nice to see. He looks like he's doing much better now
I mean considering Chuggaaconroy is finally seeing that Nintendo is going back to it's roots when it comes to Mario RPGs, it's great to see those videos where he's getting excited with Tim after everything that's happened!
As a woman who (knowingly) married a "foot guy", I feel really bad for chugga. My husband was vehemently bullied and used for years online before and after we met. I sat by and watched girl after girl pull the same shit Emily did, being 2 faced and "nice" to his face, but spinning mad shit behind his back and outing him for laughs until he finally got up the courage to tell me he was tired of waiting for me to make the first move (so he finally did LOL). If they had only got to *know* him, they would have found the most gentle, loyal soul on earth. I really hope Chugga comes out of this on top and can find someone who appreciates and loves ALL of him, 100%
@MissRora "If you don't love me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best." -unknown quote source. The women Emile is with now seems to be the real thing.
WOW seeing NCS stick up for his friend like that was very moving. I watched them both as a kid and knowing they’re still good friends is really heartwarming to me.
And it made me sad how protonjon basically abandoned Emilie as he wanted to save his own image. I don't think therunawayguys will be coming back due to that.
@@Misdrexi think theirs some minor misinformation on that because chugga told jon to disconnect from him when the drama dropped thou we dont really know what the behind the scenes happened thats what i heard when people talk about protonjon dropping chugga
@@AldoAnotherEden and even then, Jon didn't completely "abandon" Chugga. In a situation like this where you have a very impressionable community (inside and outside of TRG), You can't be hasty when it comes to defending someone. So he decided to take a measure that was actually understandable. In distancing himself from Chugga Untill this drama either fizzled out or cut him completely if the allegations were true. Now personally I would have preferred Jon to react like Tim Did, but ultimately there's nothing wrong with Jons Reply
@@tallyikroe2476 yeah i know that. but im pointing out that jon didnt exactly do the disconnect himself it was chugga himself that told jon to do so. Personally thou people have a bigger impression of tim because he stuck by chugga regardless but yeeah.
Wow, I didn't realize it was mutual in that way, although I won't pry into personal matters. It's good to know that they had each other's backs. So you're Mary who used to have the art shop with him, then? I didn't realize you had your own RUclips channel.
I didn't know it was mutual in that way. I'm curious, but I won't pry into personal details. Just know that your brother is a true friend and an amazing person. It's nice to know that they've always had each other's backs. Glad to hear that you're all doing well.
NintendoCapriSun is a real bro. He's the kind that doesn't care if his personal career is in danger; if his homie is wronged, his homie can count on him. I encourage everyone to find a homie like NintendoCapriSun... Also, be a homie like him too! The world needs more people to stand by our nice but otherwise awkward guys.
All honesty, chugga doesn't seem like a bad person. A friend i went to school with met him, and he said that he was one of the absolute nicest people ever.
Reposting of my comment from the first upload The most shocking part to me of this whole saga was the reveal that Emile and masae were engaged. You need to understand that this was a rumor in their communities for decades. You can find old videos of people asking them about it at convention panels, but they would never address it directly. There was so much speculation and so little evidence to say definitely whether or not they were together. This reveal, being dropped unceremoniously in the middle of all of this, for someone who has been watching Chuggaa since the 1st grade, is nothing short of an absolute bombshell
Regarding how long it took Chuggaa to make a response, probably the saddest part is the fact that thanks to his past traumas, and him spending months in a mental institution, he wasn't able to make a response immediately. On top of that, even when he left, Emile might not have been ready to even make one. That all said, I've lost respect for the channels that threw him under the bus. Though I'm okay with unsubscribing from those channels. NintendoCapriSun's a bro, however.
Yea. I think Antdude defended the completionist which might have affected how he handled this drama. Crazy how he might’ve ended up on the wrong side both times.
@@mattblaster2378 hilrariously enough the guy cried about how he "didnt like drama" before quote-en-quote exposing chuggaa when anyone with a brein knew that was bullshit given his engagement with the completionist drama
I think the only person I used to watch was Ms Fushi and even then I stopped watching her before all the drama ensued. They've definitely lost any respect I had for them, if I knew them
@@an2qzavok I actually wonder how many of the (especially younger adult) people siphoned up in predator stings are autistic or developmentally delayed.
@@an2qzavok Out of all the things to come out of this drama I gotta say that wasn't on my bingo card. Thank god my autistic ass spent those years of my life in a state of paranoia that there are no girls on the internet, and all minors are FBI agents.
@an2qzavok this is something I've wondered about before. I used to be wayyy more online when I was 16-18 and knew a lot of pervy teens (of both genders) around my age and a little younger.
Emile/Chugga may have dodged a bullet by not ultimately marrying MasaeAnella. Masae would have destroyed his life even worse with US divorce courts being what they are
It’s so depressing that he ‘dated’ that chick for like a decade even though she didn’t have enough respect for him to acknowledge it even once. Totally one sided. If they’d gotten married I have no doubt she would’ve been about as bad for him as Anisa was for Anisa’s wife Idubbbz.
1:52:45 For those of you who are wondering why Chugga took so long to respond to everything it's because his therapist told him to stay off social media for a good while and he wasn't allowed internet access. That's why we didn't hear anything until April.
AntDude is so pathetic, he got off too easy with this. Wish more people called him out on his obnoxious behavior regarding this situation and the Jirard situation.
kinda sad honestly, I used to really enjoy his spongebob game reviews and mario and luigi retrospective but after the completionist drama and especially the chuggaaconroy drama I can't in good faith stay subscribed or watch his content, I genuinely do not want to associate with someone who would aid in ruining someones life over a series of misunderstandings that he and his wife blew up to apocalyptic degrees, fuck you Antdude I genuinely hope when the day comes when its your turn to be cancelled (and it will come btw) that you get to experience the same hell you've put emile through for those 3 months and when it happens im bringing out the popcorn and the whisky along with the lawn chair to enjoy your downfall
I can't believe how much of a hypocrite he is. Dude says he doesn't like getting into drama but he blindly defends the Completionist and dogpiles on chugga because of a misunderstanding he and his girlfriend blew out of the water. And then when it's revealed that Ant and Miss Fushi were both in the wrong instead of apologizing or owning up to their mistakes they block accounts and delete comments talking about the situation. Granted they didn't deserve to be harassed on their live streams after chugga's doc was released, but they definitely deserved to be called out for adding fuel to the fire to Massae's posts. AntDude? More like Can'tDude.
@@marionsonic1035AntDude’s involvement is baffling. Dude misinterpreted Emile’s actions towards his girlfriend and piled onto him. And fast forward a months and Tim confirms it was all a misunderstanding and it’s such a nothingburger that Emile didn’t even address it in his testimony. Ugh. Man made it worse for no real reason ( kinda wonder if this is connected to people finding autistic men more creepy than neurotypical men unfairly.)
The reason why AntDude got off Easy was it was a misunderstanding with him and his wife. thats it. Edit: I thought the miss-communication was mis-hearing what Chugga said. Nevermind. Fusha and Antdude are complete idiots
That's exactly what happened with an old friend group of mines where we had been friends for nearly a year only for them to suddenly drop me because they found out about my political leanings.
@@PeruvianPotato nah man this is like. Ive been close friends with a girl like this. Same cringe yk same style of talking. We still talk but yk these kinds of things make me feel almost nostalgic and cringe. I just cant imagine if someone were to like call me a pedo and make me look like a monster for clout
@@PeruvianPotatoThat legit JUST happened to me probably two weeks ago. Except I’d known these guys for at least a decade. Pretty much grew up with them. You know what makes it worse? It was over me NOT having not changed stances they already knew I had. One stance in particular they THEMSELVES used to share, which was what the conversation was about anyway. Guess they no longer think a man should have a say in what happens to his child since it’s literally half of him… I’d say the absolute worst part though is how they straight up didn’t behave like themselves anymore. They had the exact same behavior and even vocabulary as Twitter progs. It was like watching blue checks puppeteering the bodies of people I loved. You cannot convince me this isn’t a spiritual sickness. The way it grips people and literally empties them of who they are isn’t natural
@@newdivide9882 You know, what if I were to tell you that they too literally ditched me because of my views on abortion. I haven't and have no interest in talking with them two years later but from the small bits my ex told me about them last year, it seems that they've turned on each other at some point. I can't say I feel bad but at the same time, wondered what could've been if people were simply more open to think for themselves rather than trying to appease everyone else.
Wow Masae is literally the worst. From a person who “doesn’t condone harassing other people” by promoting a lie, and using Chuggas clout to get ahead for her own career. Then ultimately to just throw the guy under the bus when he was no longer needed? That is the ultimate low of just using someone for your own gain. But I don’t expect much from these groups of people.
When Masae meet Chuggaconroy, he at the time was popular but he wasn't popular enough to establish a line in the sand when it comes to an olive branch. ever since then she didn't ride off of his Success and Fame, She became some intertwined with TRG as a whole which that propelled her career, With How much of an impact she had on the TRG Community, I would say its rivaled with how much of an impact Stephen George had. This Point in Particular has to be the most mind numbingly stupid accusation I have ever seen while growing up with TRG. This is not only false, but the only people who would make that accusation is from people who just looked at this drama and had a negative perception of Masae
@@tallyikroe2476 She also commented that he constantly made her feel uncomfortable and pushed boundaries, stating she didn't want to attend any conventions he would be at going forward because she didn't feel 'comfortable or safe doing so'; she made him out to be an abuser while leaving out the critical context of their relationship . Funny thing is, Emile probably never would have revealed they had been dating for ten years and had been engaged (he had respected that boundary for over a decade, which runs counter to her accusation of him being a boundary pusher) if Masae hadn't decided to kick her ex while he was down.
@@myounakami I don't consider that them being pushed as an abuser. I took that as more that their friendship got a bit uncomfortable with Masae Personally. So she wanted to cut it off
@@tallyikroe2476 I'd be more inclined to think that way too if not for the fact that she specifically used the words, "I don't feel comfortable or _safe_ doing so", insinuating she didn't want to be in the same place because she viewed him as a threat to her.
These people lack basic communication skills that even I have. If someone is making you uncomfortable, tell them, instead of nudging them into making a fool out of themselves. Unless that's what you're trying to do.
I agree, you should discuss boundaries or put it out there from the very start that if anything said is making the other person uncomfortable, they should speak up. You should also avoid sexual innuendo or anything blatantly sexual if you're speaking with minors. Its some pretty basic stuff.
RUclips threw a new Chugga video at me. I clicked it and saw no dislikes. Surprised, I googled Chugga is all green flags, and found this. Good video, very helpful in clearing every bit of confusion around the topic. Thanks for having all this info in just one package. NintendoCapriSun is the bro all men want.
Well... There were a couple hundred dislikes on the new videos, according to the return RUclips dislikes extension, but they were still ultimately overwhelmed by the thousands of likes by comparison.
I feel bad for Chugga, he was never really equip to handle all of this bullshit hurl at him in a timely manner and his offline life with his mom having a cancer scare probably sent him over the edge. I used to watch him back when I was a pre-teen and I went to rewatch his videos from time to time as an adult. Seeing how wholesome and goofy this guy is, I said there is no way he is this rapist pedo the "progressives" paint him out to be. I am glad my intuition was correct, fuck all these ppl that threw him under the bus. Also NintendoCapriSun is the realest person ever.
I have a lot of thoughts about this video. For the record, I am a trans woman and maybe my political leanings could be described as libertarian socialist, but at least on social issues, I am very left leaning. And I just want to thank you for rightfully calling out the bad behavior of Lady Emily - I don't condone using one's status as being trans as a shield from justified anger over one's own bad behavior - this kind of thing legitimately makes it harder for the rest of us to be treated like human beings. I followed this story very closely the first couple of months, having been a viewer of Chugga's for over a decade (and even narrowly missing the chance to actually work with him professionally in 2010 - we've never met, but he worked as a guest for the final time with a group I became part of only a few months before I joined up), but admittedly, I stopped following it when Chugga finally made his post-absence statement and confirmed essentially everything I had already sussed out. I read the *entire* Lawly log (I seriously don't recommend any one do that btw, it was dreadfully dull and cringe and extremely long and 99% of it was wholly irrelevant to any of the claims) and my thoughts on that are simple. Chugga said inappropriate things to a minor. There's no defending that. But he didn't actually engage in any pedophilia or grooming and even had his "aha moment" and cut it off. He went on to, as far as we all know, NOT display a pattern of this behavior, he condemns his past actions, and also it was almost 15 years ago AND he was a dumb barely legal teenager who is also autistic and not susceptible to common social cues (a common theme throughout the whole tale). On its own there's plenty to get outraged at him over but when you take all of the context together as a whole, its fair to say he was a dumb kid who did things he now recognizes were not okay and he deserves the second chance. After I read the whole text dump, it truly just felt like this was not only wholly irrelevant to what was going on, but also just trying to destroy a man who is already under fire, however possible. For the record, I think the later revelation that Lawly was *trying* to lure someone into statutory rape with her is disgusting and she definitely needed help that she apparently didn't receive, but she was still the child in the situation and it is up to the adult in the situation to shut that down - and to Chugga's credit, he at least didn't take the bait and did eventually shut it down. As for the years later conversation when they were both adults, "shall we pick things up where we left off" when engaging in explicitly sexual roleplay is damning wording, but also misrepresentative of what actually happened years earlier. I think holding that aginst him is a stretch. As for Masae, I think she would have stayed quiet throughout all of this, but she got bombarded by Chugga's fans asking her about it, and to that extent, I can understand it, but also this is the natural consequence of having a *very close* public friendship that is hiding a private relationship that ended in a bad breakup. For the most part, nobody knew they weren't friends anymore. That said, prior to the full context being given, her saying that he made her uncomfortable and found his apologies to be hollow carried a different weight that gave more credence to Lady Emily's story. But the full context tells a different story. Technically I don't believe she lied, and I'm not even willing to speculate that she told what she told with deceptive intent beyond wanting to keep their past relationship hidden still - but it's all there - the pushing of boundaries clearly refers to how he would publicly flirt with her when she wanted to keep their relationship private, which can also act as part of why she is uncomfortable around him but also they had a bad breakup which would make anyone uncomfortable to be around their ex. And the bad breakup also makes sense why her current partner would have just as much contempt for him, especially if he attempted to foster a friendship one-sidedly while just being his oblivious autistic self and not taking the hint that she wasn't having it. Its not a great outcome, but with everything out in the open, at least to my knowledge, thats the end of the discussion for Masae. As for Antdude and MissFushi, I think Tim exolained it pretty succintly. It was a lot of misunderstandings that got out of hand. Unfortunate, but it happens, especially with Chugga being his typical oblivious self and not picking up on social cues because he is autistic. From their perspective, it does honestly look like way too many coincidences to truly be coincidences. I have to imagine that they, like Masae, were likely bombarded by Chugga fans for any insight and didnt want to talk about him, but said something to get people off their back. That just leaves Lady Emily. Now, my default position is to at least take someone claiming to be a victim seriously until proof to contrary surfaces, regardless who is who in the situation. Even before Chugga's post-absence explanation of everything, I had already accurately sussed out what happened, as I said earlier. The only thing I didnt sus out was her explicit consent to the foot fetish RP. But the rest of it I had figured out - that it was fairly innocent, she felt uncomfortable and didnt set proper boundaries, then ghosted him, and he, once again, was oblivious to the social cues because he is autistic, and kept checking in on her, because he was genuinely concerned about her. They had never met, so I dont know why she was so fearful to just set boundaries, but also after Chugga made his big response, as a fellow trans woman, I was ready to sympathize with why she might have done that - the disproprotionate amount of sexual violence and hatred that we trans women face definitely makes a lot of us a bit jumpy. Which isnt to say her fears weren't real, just unfounded. What I didnt know about was how she just continued to dig her heels in after everything was brought to light. Like, girl, just admit you were scared and handled it poorly and move on! I think it was cruel and hypocritical for her to simultaneously hide behind being transgender and autistic to deflect criticism while also encouraging people not to let Chugga use the autism defense, (another point of respect for man - he didn't and assumed full responsibility for his actions instead) when it is *abundantly* clear that Chugga being autistic and oblivious lies at the very heart of all of this. I don't really want to comment on any of the other drama about her that unfolded that didn't actually have anything to do with Chugga, especially since I stopped following this when that stuff came out. I think this is a sad situation of a friendship being ruined by poor communication and obliviousness to social cues, one that went farther south than it needed to. In the end, Chugga was guilty of being cringe and autistic and over sharing about his fetish - none of which is either illegal or cancelworthy. As for ProtonJon, I can't expect you to find every little detail, considering how much research you DID do, but it is worth noting that he distanced himself from Chugga at Chugga's own urging. And he got pestered about it so much at his streams that he did eventually say on a stream that nothing he said about the situation or about Emile was posted without Emile's express consent. I don't think it's fair to put so much fault on him in light of that. And if you read this far, just a small personal bit of criticism for you. First of all, thank you for respecting Lady Emily's gender throughout the video. Even if she is not a good person, it's not right to dehumanize her, as many people probably would. However, I thought the joke about tucking, while I don't think you meant any harm with it, was inappropriate and I would encourage you to consider jokes about trans people and their genitals as being not cool in the future.
As a fellow trans girl, I completely agree with you. I hate it when people use being trans as an excuse to be horrible or as an excuse to get special treatment. I feel like it just makes it that much harder for trans people to be seen as equal. I honestly don't even understand how Emily being trans has anything to do with the situation. I'm trans, but I don't want people to treat me like I'm the Queen of England, I just want people to treat me like a normal person. Sorry, it just really upsets me when people use being trans as a shield.
Who tf dates someone for a FULL DECADE, let alone be engaged, and do everything in their power to ensure no one knows while also constantly appearing in their videos? Kind of defeats the purpose if your goal was to draw people's attention away from thinking they might be in a relationship. Makes me think she never actually loved him and it was just convenience (While hypocritically claiming she wanted to stand on her own).
Nah, I think the shame explanation fits best. If she was with him for clout or status she would have had no problem mentioning their marriage after the break up. But she still kept it quiet. She was definitely ashamed.
@@Slazors Usually when you're ashamed to be with someone, the relationship tends to end pretty quick. She stayed with him for 10 whole years! Why stay with someone for so damn long if you're so ashamed of the relationship? From my experience, either he might actually have been abusive towards her (Since people who are on the receiving end of an abusive relationship tend to have a REALLY hard time breaking up and it can take years before they do so) or she had something to gain from their relationship and we don't have any information on that. If she really did love him at some point, she wouldn't try this hard to cover-up their decade long relationship while making it somewhat obvious they are, in fact, in a relationship by constantly appearing together in videos.
@@JE3MAN it's possible she wanted something from him like clout and a platform while also being ashamed which would explain the longevity, but there may have been a breaking point for her at some point where it wasn't worth it anymore, maybe she met someone else.
@@Slazors and yet, after looking it up, she didn't hesitate to date yet another streamer AND make that relationship public just a few months after breaking up. I'm most likely missing a lot of information but it does feel like she got as much mileage out of their relationship and she got rid of him as soon as he outlived his usefulness. If the truth is anywhere close to that, she's sincerely a massive piece of shit.
@@JE3MAN "Usually when you're ashamed to be with someone, the relationship tends to end pretty quick." Not always true. Lots of people have terminally low self-esteem and stay in relationships they're not proud of because they feel that it's the best that they can do or all they deserve. It's a major reason why many people stay in abusive relationships (not saying Emile was abusive).
I'd like to expand on the Massae thing, not only did she spend 10 years not revealing her relationship with Chugga, her next relationship she immediately revealed. And on top of that, with the timeline, the best assumption that can be made is that she at best immediately started dating someone new, but with the margin of error, it could have been as bad as her cheating on Chugga with her current BF.
Wow. I honestly thought that was one of the most tragic parts of the video. EVEN EXCLUDING the utter BS she pulled during and after the drama, even excluding your added context, that situation sounded borderline abusive on her part to me. I hate to go down the prog logic route, but even if Im wrong, I cant help but apply it TO progs just so they can feel what it's like... In this case, it screams she's essentially ablist by having such a die hard insecurity about dating an autistic guy, that she'd make him suffer through keeping their relationship a secret... For A DECADE... It screams that she never really intended to marry or commit to him, and that she really just wanted to waste a decade of his time. And... He went along with it, trying to be a people pleaser... I've learned from experience it doesnt work in the long run, I've been in similar shoes to him (though fortunately my past dramas have remained private lessons to be learned). It makes me wonder what went on behind closed doors, because it comes off like that wasnt the only thing she'd walk all over him for.
100% agree that she cheated on him. Why did she suddenly end the relationship with Emile? Because she found someone "better" to date. It's not like she broke up with Emile and then met her current BF the next day. She had known him for a while because she participated in his D&D games. Another fun fact - when she publicly announced that she was dating him, a bunch of her friends (who knew she had been dating Emile) all congratulated her about it, saying things like "it was about time."
Repost from the original: Can I just say as a long time Chugga fan who kept watching even through the low channel growth years, thank you for making this. I admit, I was one of the people who initially fell for a lot of the initial canceling attempt, not from Lady Emily, but Masea (cuz I used to watch her content too). I never thought I'd be seeing Supermega type stuff around this corner of the internet so I legit didn't know how to feel about one of my favorite content creators for the first half of this year. I think this video is simultaneously useful and informative, and as some one who was pretty invested in this drama, you found a ton of stuff that even I didn't know about. I'm obviously not happy that any of this happened, but I hope that Chugga can find a better group of people in the future. I used to relate to the guy a lot (no, not the feet stuff, it the Autism and social weirdness) and seeing all of the info laid out like this really hits hard for me in the, "Do the people I call friends, call me a friend" kind of spot. Great vid btw I'll be going back to this one a lot. EDIT P.S.: since this is a re-upload it sucks its gonna get less attention. Also a shame since i was hoping we might get at least a Nintendo Caprisun comment since he seems to be the most tapped in, but sorry to hear you haven't heard back from any of them. Gonna keep re-watching to promote it nonetheless
I've been a long-time supporter of Masae, she knew me by name for a while, and I enjoyed interacting with her. Now, it's rare to get the chance. After being subbed to her on twitch for almost four years, I'm finally cancelling that subscription. This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
I got some questions left because of this drama. The major one is did Masae’s current boyfriend knew about Chuggaa and Masae being a thing? But I don’t blame you for cancelling your twitch sub to her. I’m not hoping anything bad to her it’s a case of reap what you sow.
@codywasson5894 He almost certainly knew. There's no way she wouldn't have told him about her relationship history. Dude is just a total loser for taking pot shots at Emile. He came off as petty during this whole ordeal
True if Chuggaa does come back to making let’s plays I’m gonna watch it day one. I been checking his channel a good amount of times to see if there has been a let’s play video. If he chooses to stay off the internet I’m not gonna blame him but if he does comes back I’m gonna smile with joy.
@@codywasson5894 Main reason I cancelled it is because her behavior just reminds me of someone I'm really trying hard to forget. There was someone I once had romantic feelings for, who didn't really feel the same way, but enjoyed having a sensitive guy around to be emotionally available to her, so she kept me around as sort of a third-wheel. While Emile wasn't made into a third wheel, exactly, I get the sense that Masae's logic was the same as this other girl's. I could be wrong, but at this point, even if I ask her, she won't trust me enough to give me the truth. The only thing she's been clear about is that she doesn't want to talk about it anymore, so if she wants us to leave her be and draw our own conclusions, so be it. That's just the conclusion I've drawn.
It’s still goddamn despicable they do this to Chugga once Kirby dies. These people really wanted him to suffer and if Nintendocaprisun and Chugga’s partner weren’t there to stand by him full, we saw when we found out why Chugga had to be pulled into a mental institution.
@@tallyikroe2476 Pippy was a few years ago (During Galaxy 2) while Kirby was during B2W2. Yeah there was 6 months of a gap from that to the Emily stuff it still was probably hitting hard considering Emile had Kirby for 19 YEARS. This is just a thought I was having for a while when I found out about the Ant Fushi stuff but when exactly did the donation for her cat happen? If it was while Kirby was on the decline near the end, or AFTER he was already gone, getting called a damn simp for trying to help hits real different imo
Wait, Chugga's Cat Kirby died?! 😨 I didn't think it was that long ago he did his Sticking it to Sticker Ster Series, where Kirby appeared in Chapter 2 and 3 as a Cameo at the end of those Videos. 😞 This is unacceptable! 😡
but remember guys "false accusations can't ruin men's live". this sucks. i just now learned about this as i was going to watch some of his content while cleaning because its been actual years since i last watched and i find out the poor guy is in shambles and stabbed in his back by "friends". also on the topic of him and masae being together i always thought they were. i had no proof but if you watch some of the christmas gift exchanges they did with steven and mal, they just felt like a couple. i think one year steven and mal gave them a shared tea gift of some kind and the way they reacted made me think "yea they're probably together.
But they weren’t completely false accusations in Emile’s car though. Misleading (and in Masae’s case vague) but there was still some substance to the claims. I think the lesson here is to resolve things in private and (unless someone is actively harming another person) to keep it private.
@@Rosa-kd2clThey did though Edit: Let me rephrase, it was *SUPPOSED* to be kept private, but "Lady" Emily decided to be petty and make it public years after the event took place, specifically, sometime after he finished Black & White 2, for context, from what I've gathered from watching videos on the "controversy" Emile was 19 while "Lady" Emily was 15-16, he wasn't even near full adulthood yet, while, yes, it was still on him for doing what he did, it was also on "Lady" Emily, she could've said "stop" or "I'm uncomfortable" at any moment like any normal person, but she didn't, she fully consented, she let it continue, any sane person should know that you should always speak up, especially in a scenario like this where you're possibly being harassed, but there's a problem, the keywords are "normal" and "sane" she wasn't normal nor sane at all, this wasn't even harassment, this was fully consensual roleplay, and from what I've heard, this "Lady" Emily has a track record of canceling RUclipsrs in the past
So he almost married a clout goblin that wouldn't admit they were in a relationship publicly, while riding her boyfriend's fame... Then for some more attention she jumps on the bandwagon to cancel him after having broken up.
Progressive friendship is the orcs in Shadow of Mordor. Just constant plotting, scheming, back stabbing, betrayals, and unabashed unashamed blatant naked opportunism.
@@ImortalZeus13 Chill out alpha chad, video games are a useful reference point for complex ideas because they pack in story context and mechanical systems into a simple reference for conversation. It's actually really, really useful to use games as a way to explain complex or specific ideas.
Am I the only person who would ride with their friend if I didn't fully support the claims against them? I've always been the kind of person who doesn't have to agree, like, or support everything my friend does to be their friend... Because my friendship would have been based on things we do agree on or have in common. This idea that "you made a few bad choices, so you're dead to me forever" just doesn't ring of a "true friend". If anything, I'd feel like I would want to stick by my friend more the worse things are. I guess I'm wrong, or just from a different age... But people are bad friends nowadays.
@@PeruvianPotato I just dislike how quick so many people who knew better were essentially scared into silence or disavowment. If what they did was truly something that you can't vibe with... I 100% get it. But for something like this, his inner circle could have said something and really nipped a lot of this in the bud before it got out of hand.
Actually same here. I have only a handful of long lasting friendships and my friends and I don't agree on everything and we see and act differently, but I don't think any of them nor me would abandon ship the moment some other people would accuse me or the other of supposed bad things done without proof. We'd ask each other what's what, we'd take time to assess facts, but we'd probably go by "innocent until proven otherwise". But I agree with you, it's harder nowadays to have solid friends like Nintendocaprisun for Chugga, progressive political agendas (or what TheCriticalDrinker calls "the message") pollute friendships easily nowadays.
It's a very internet thing, especially on RUclips. Very few e-celebs who are "friends" genuinely love each other. They want to get something out of each other.
It's one thing to be a friend to someone in life. Apparently, it's another to be friends while you're all on the stage of social media. Everything is performance-based, not value-based regardless of how much they may claim otherwise. It's akin to Hollywood relationships and friendships and I would seriously doubt the intelligence of someone who thinks they're 100% legitimate and not staged in any way.
It's a shame how Chuggaa broke down his entire life story, explained the situation in agonizing detail, and apologized for any harm he may have caused, and people still think he's guilty, while a certain bearded man committed charity fraud and just brushed it off, and people just let him off easy.
the problem is theres certain communities that will never forgive someone over something they are not guilty of (Example; Callmecarson labeled as a Pedophile), and then theres multiple people who they just brush under the rug (Example of how in the fuck James Charlies isn't cancelled as a Predator/Pedophile)
Even though Masae and Emile made amends, I’ll still never see her in the same light again. I never watched her content except for the vlogs years ago but I don’t see myself watching her content going forward after what she did to him.
@@androidoficeandfire9667 Considering what she did, that is still very generous of Emile. Seems like she wanted to mend the bridge when people started to notice how loathsome she actually was.
MasaeAnela at least didn’t try to repeatedly talk smack about him - at worst it was just a misguided attempt to distance herself from him that backfired since she said it under the distress of being egged on about it at a convention.
@@ShortFatOtakuupdate, I made a Twitter account and one of the first things that happened was Emily blocking me. Just thought everyone should know lol.
Poor Emile. I knew Emile was the victim in this. But seriously I thought this situation was going to end up with Emile retiring. Which honestly would’ve hurt me right in the feels
Correction: Jon stuck with Chuggaa, it's just he had a lot of feelings and he didn't find out the Truth until near the End of the Allegations. plus while he distanced himself Professionally: he did not distance himself personally.
This Its tiring to see people blame jon for "Running away" when he did nothing of the sort he felt betrayed and simply didnt know how to handle his feelings so he felt it was best to distance himself for a bit but they are back to talking and being friends and is figuring stuff out behind the scenes, with waiting for Emile to feel ready to do a full comeback and see what happens and also talking with him how they are gonna move forward with TRG
Do you have anything I could read/watch more about this? I really agree with this video about Jon. But I would like to give him and the people defending him the benefit of the doubt, so I'm curious to see his POV. I've seen clips of Jon talk about this, and honestly he does not seem like a good friend.
@@mista_louie He's a a bit from 1 of my comments from Chuggaa's recent Sonic Color bonus ep part 3 mainly(if you want the whole comment you can ask me and I'll respond with it or you can look for it) {Jon} "said in his stream Fortune Cookie: "Hey Man, Nice Shot" Edition at 1:39:39 (not linking as RUclips tends to remove comments with links) that he knew Emile was gonna start uploading again, Emile told him they talked, so they most likely are still friends and will likely make videos together again (the return of TheRunawayGuys) if Emile is ready." other examples of Jon talking about the event is on the Chuggaaconroy Archive channel ran by 2 fans they uploaded 2 clips of Jon talking about Emile "Proton Jon discussing Chuggaaconroy after Colosseum" which was soon after Colosseum so emontion still high and "Proton Jon's statement on Chuggaaconroy's return to RUclips" which says they still talk but he's not going into Chugga's stuff as it's his life right now. This mainly talks about his disappointment in the community. I believe the order of the clips from oldest to most recent Proton Jon discussing Chuggaaconroy after Colosseum Proton Jon's statement on Chuggaaconroy's return to RUclips Hey Man, Nice Shot" Edition(check Jon's stream archive channel) Again I can't like as it'll cause RUclips bots to hide my comment
Transmasq AND autistic fella here. (Also millennial) Just gonna say, her using her trans-identity AND autism to claim victim while saying "Don't you dare use that same excuse for Emile!" really ticks the wrong nerve for me. Rules for thee but not for me bullshit. I despise that. Hella gross! Also as someone who's also dealt with SA in life, I understand why Chugga's trauma prevented him from responding right away. I mean it's REALLY HARD to talk about that stuff! Yeah how the hell does one think it'd be "easy" to talk about it!? It takes a very brave soul to speak on it. Oh and as someone that uses GaiaOnline, and has been since 2007, let me say that most people are drama-llamas. The dwindling userbase due to the crumbling community, whales/vendors, and users that are mods/staff that abuse the power they're given (IE: Kissing Lanzer's ass to get power. Lanzer is the guy that made the site for context) is enough to not take anyone seriously. Truly. I watched the whole thing go down long ago and I'm honestly happy that Emile is doing better. Saw his recently videos that he posted and I'm glad that he's worked up the courage and confidence to do so! And Tim/NCS has been one hell of a bro through all of this, too. Sticking by him through thick and thin! Everyone else has said it but for real Tim's a real one!
this video genuinely changed my views on a lot of things but made me see how cruel and unfair i was to turn my back on chugga after being a long time fan after seeing the allegations at a first glance and even though he lost the battle, he won the war. thank you for making this video and helping us all see the errors in our way, I would've never thought twice about the situation if it wasn't for your 2 cents
@GregCaldwellPlays checking his Twitter that is the case but now we aesit to see if he'll make a nee let's play or not, either way it was good to see him upload again after 6 months of silence
Man had his whole life torn down, driven to nearly become an hero, and all because a trans Karen got TRIGGERED over a reddit comment that wasn't even directed at them or about them. All so they could lash out at him in spite and still claim the "moral high ground" by the usual self identifying victimhood meta. All of it just to get that sip of sweet sweet clout cocktail. How very progressive.
Protected classes give mentally ill people a chance to become petty tyrants; the biggest issue with progressive politics is the quest for new high horses, and new classes of people who can't be criticized, because that really just makes ill people even worse.
@@odindarkll3706 makes sense due to how a lot of people forgive James Charles after 7 allegations while everyone attacks CallMeCarson for 1-2 Allegations that both are allegations he had more then proved to everyone that he deserved a second chance, and with 1 of them not being entirely true to begin with
@@tallyikroe2476 IDK who those people are, but if I were to guess, CallMeCarson got dog piled similar to Chuggaconroy while James Charles got away with objectively awful things? Just an educated guess. On a brighter note, Chugga has proven his innocence, has a new GF, and is uploading videos again!
“How did no one outside of their friend group discover this relationship for over 10 years?” As a longtime Chugga/StephenVlog fan, there was a lot of people who shipped Emile and Masae. It would always get the response of “Stop shipping real people” Turns out the shippers were right in the end The one thing I really disagree with in this video is the “Fuck Jon, he abandoned Emile/threw him under the bus” which is completely false. Jon did distance himself professionally from Emile for a short while, but they were still friends. They still talk and I do believe he’s open to start doing TRG again if/when Emile is ready and able to (Emile is taking things one step at a time, right now with uploading again). Jon doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the others at the end. Also, one thing to mention about TRG Colo 2023 since you talked about it, Masae’s current boyfriend Brett was there off screen because I think Masae wasn’t comfortable with being in the same place as Emile again.
can you link me a source to him saying that TRG will come back, because if thats true. I would love for this to be nothing more then a cliffnote in the past. with the only exception being Masae won't be seen as much on the main channel because Masae would still be a reoccurring guest while Emile is a Main
Tangentially related: Proton Jon is arguably into worse stuff than Chuggaa but gets a pass by the community because he's overly public about it to a similar degree as Pyrocynical. Had to unfollow the guy because he clogs up all his followers feeds with fetish fan-art of himself dressed as Rosalina and turned into an obese rabbid from Rayman or something, some of which he commissions himself. Genuinely kind of surprised that Dev didn't even make even the tiniest of jabs at this aspect of Proton Jon at all in the video.
@dylanvscomics8138 Seriously...shortly before I left his community, he said he was gonna dial back on the fetish-y stuff, including the RosaJon donation alert where his (her?) chest grows...but as far as I know, that never ended up happening, and the RosaJon hole has gone even deeper. How have people normalized this?
As someone who had watched Chuggaa up until about mid-way to his Xenoblade 2 playthrough, and grew concerned for his now half-year hiatus, i really need to thank you for making this video and being objective on your statements despite also giving your opinion. Please make more content like this it genuinely moved me how you executed this video
man, I'm glad everything worked out for Chugga. The guy was always cringe as shit, but I love him for it, being so unashamedly him is refreshing in 2024. I just wish he gets some headspace after this shitnado
I think someone pointed out that the Protonjon thing isn't quite so cut and dry. Basically, he is still friends with Emile and Tim, but the three agreed that, while Tim worked with Chugga, Protonjon would hold down the fort and keep the ship steady.
Well, I do hope you're right. I do like the guy; I've been a fan of his since the days when he played yhe egg sound for each subscriber individually. But, the way things have gone, I can't quite give him the benefit of the doubt.
@@jonathansmithwick5703 Same, but this info is coming from Tim. I think it is a case of timing with Jon, considering what happened with Jirad (a friend of Jon's). People need to remember that Emile and Jon are not informed people and will tend to follow whatever the mainstream political narratives are-a brand, not principles. I would love for Jon to stand up and be counted, but I think he (and the others) realise there isn't a lot that can be done now. Why rock the boat and stir more drama? That would be the last thing Emile needs.
@@Thefufflylord Jon dropping likes and his wife (Lucahjin) posting things like "I'm here for you" when Masae dropped her allegations, but remaining silent when Emile came forward with his receipts certainly hasn't made it easier to trust either of them. In my opinion, the very least Jon could've done was kept up a neutral appearance toward _both_ Masae and Chugga... But he just couldn't manage that.
@@MissRora I agree, but, as Dev rightfully pointed out, the "friend" group is less of an actual friend group and more of a cult. This entire affair has lowered my opinion of Protonjon and Lucahjin and everyone else for that matter. I loved the Runaway Guys and I tended to support Jon when they gamed. They introduced me to Boon Street (which I love, and my friends and I have spent hours playing) and I sometimes put some of their LPs on as white noise while I'm doing things. Chugga is also responsible for one of my favourite LPs of all time - his, frankly, legendary LP of Pokemon Crystal. But, I've drifted away from these people mostly because of their increasing political stuff and some of their apologetics for companies (Emile defeating Pokemon Sword and Sheild). But I also had to remember that these guys are normies and are running businesses. They have brands, not principles. Again, it's one of the reasons I drifted away from them. That said, when I heard the deal with Emile, I decided to look into it and was totally shocked by how much of a non-issue it was. It was pure fake drama and it confirmed to me that people have gotten weak and far too thin-skinned to be on the internet. It also made me realise how much I miss the old internet-considering I've been lurking on here since 99-back in the days of every fansite being GeoCities and blinding backgrounds and the Steak and Cheese with its shock images. When this all kicked off, I was very disappointed by ProtonathanJonathan's response, which lowered my opinion of him. But I'm reminded of who he surrounds himself with and that he had a brand, not principles. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here entirely on the word of Tim. But, Proton, I want you to know that you are, indeed, a total bitch and when the mob comes for you, I hope Emile will back you and prove that, like Tim, he's a better person than you were.
Protonjon and Masea really suprised me cause they always seemed like such good friends and for them to not try at all and help emile is wild. great video
TBH, and I know this will sound weird, but I never liked Protonjon, and always felt like he had some type of bitter resentment towards Emile’s success. The way I’ve seen Jon talk about his past, and act on livestreams, as well as some his comments towards Emile in later TRG projects, I always had some type of suspicion that he actively was jealous of Chugga in some capacity. Jon always sounded so past clingly bitter the way he talked about his past. Gave me the vibe of someone who never truly moved on.
Jumping on Jon doesn't feel right. He did help Emile behind the scenes, just not publicly. He's been friends with people who actually did these things Emile was accused of, so I don't blame him. And besides, he added no fuel to the fire at all.
@@luxraygaming2300he addes fuel to the fire by not backing emile at all and basically saying he won't be working with him again he folded to peer pressure
@@Mostillistfrom what I’ve seen he hasn’t said that that he won’t work with him right now and that he’ll need time to process it. He’s been friends still and helping him out. Considering how it blindsided him and the issues with friends in the past (notably Jirad), I don’t think it’s right to slam the guy as a fake friend for not having a perfect response to this especially when we don’t know everything that’s happened.
Also gotta take into account jon has said he has had trust issues with his two previous gaming groups i believe one was outed as a pedophile or something so jon does have some leeway in that regard. Thou i heard that he was still personally friends with emile just that his professional business with emile took the hit. Thou honestly i dont think it was hurt too badly considering all the information that came out
A lot of praise for Tim here there are people forgetting the other unsung hero of this story: Chuggaaconroys current girlfreind, honestly if it werent for her Emily would've gotten away scott free with hypocritically doxxing her home countrys location (something she btw never apologized for even though she would be guilty by her own moral standards) and standing up for him when his """"friend"""" said all those horrible things about him on the phone
Looking back now, this whole situation consists of people violating Hanlon's Razor just to portay someone who made poor mistakes as a disguised supervillain the whole time. Moral relativism is as extinct as the woolly mammoth.
I think you see that in a lot of journalism. Easier to understand what emotion you're meant to have when someone's being played up as pure evil, than a more nuanced perspective.
@@urstaxfetish1206 This! I was coming into adulthood in the early 2000s. Teenage behavior is always cringe because they're growing up and don't know what they're doing in the world yet. We all acted stupid online like this but we didn't have huge social networks and "archive everything" movements back then so you rarely see any of it.
I'd never heard of *_any_* of these people (not because I'm not an internet boomer but because I just never pays attention to LPs), yet I watched this whole dang thing anyway. It's amazing how people (Masae for example) get away with "I just wanted to be left alone, guys, that's why I made that post" when the obvious intention was to kick someone when they were down, to hurt them when they were most vulnerable. Someone who, in theory, you actually should still have positive thoughts about... weird. Maybe you thought they hurt you once when you were vulnerable, but really, *_you're just being evil._* That's it.
Speaking of responses to allegations too late, I was wondering whether Slazo (a commentary youtuber accused of gf abuse) timed it perfectly or did the response at the latest point possible before the zeitgeist of the internet conscious solidifies?
It’s still very jarring that all of this went down in January. I wanted to hold my breath until I heard more information when they began, waited until the first wave of allegations and responses concluded, and then when Masae added fuel to the fire it all went downhill. Before Emile made his google doc, I was disappointed that this massive group of “friends” acted as fast as they did since they all seemed like a family yet I only heard NCS as the only one keeping track of Emile’s wellbeing. The entire drama just completely shattered what appeared to be a welcoming community and the real victim, Emile, ended up being the one ostracized by his close friends. I don’t wish for any retribution, karma, or ultimate downfall for the people who threw him under the bus, however I doubt I’ll be as sympathetic if anything happens to any of them given their community can be close minded and can act without hearing the full story.
@@Rosa-kd2cli think their were a few posts of other yters in the community like stephen and madamwario that were still believing in him at the time. I didnt really get back to chugga until his response post on twitter which blew up on in my email box
Vinesauce's "crime" was "using" his minor internet fame to get laid, something every male celebrity who has ever existed in every time period for the entirety of humanity has done.
I remember back in 2009 when youtube let you have your own personalized channel pages, and people could comment on them. I remember when I subbed to NCS and he commented, "Hey, thanks for the sub!" on my page. Not just me, he did that for EVERYONE who subscribed back then. I'll always remember that. That was the first and only time a content creator I liked went out of their way to thank stupid, annoying, 12 year old me. He didn't have to. No one had to. You're SUPPOSED to subscribe to people you like to watch. But he did anyway. Because he's just that kind of person. His pure genuineness is lost on so many people that it's tragic. All of that is to say, NCS is the realest one in this story. Thank YOU Tim, for sticking to your guns and being a REAL friend. also good video 👍
Legitimately, hearing a high school girl jokingly use the grape word as liberally as that was unironically nostalgic to the edgy girls I knew in high school.
The one that did Emile dirtiest was without a doubt Masae. She could have just easily said "we used to date, now we don't" and avoided all these allegations, but no she didn't want anyone to know about their relationship, even though most of the fans already knew/suspected. And yet she had no problem making her relationship with BrettUltimus public lol.
Repost from the first time: "The part near the end reminded me of a tweet by Neontaster: "Progressivism is the view that the most compassionate thing you can do is be as gleefully ruthless and violent as possible towards those you perceive as lacking compassion." (Also, the way you guys voice over the logs...)
Makes me want to hear someone voice over some of devs old cringe from when he was a teenager. You know, to show him that maybe doing that is kind of horribly cruel.
It is a gross manner of self righteousness these sorts operate under. While acting they do it out of some warped nobility. Rather than malicious zeal it actually is. Like who honestly believes these people are being nothing other than people with an axe to grind?
@@JakobusMaximustrust me when I say this as someone who grew up in the same Era as Dev, he *knows* if we got hold of his 2004-2014 cringe we would ruthlessly do the *exact same thing.* And he would laugh just as hard at it as the rest of us because he's actually got a sense of humor.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 I would absolutely not do the same thing, are you insane? What part of maliciously maligning someone comes across as a good idea to you? I've heard that some ~5% of the population are psychopaths, but damn, I didn't believe it. Or are you kids just that deviant in nature that causing harm to someone is how you enjoy yourself?
So for those who are viewing the video now and didn’t catch it on release: Dev cut about… 20-25ish minutes of content, citing the jokes being an issue (I didn’t really register the jokes as being offensive). The biggest cut was Lady Emily’s dedicated section of the video, which will probably be for a “Dissecting a Degenerate” type of video in the future. It was very enlightening to see her history out to bare in the video (even with the tweets already against her and basically the receipts of her being manipulative and using her autism and being trans as a shield). Edit: to slightly clarify what exactly was cut from the history portion, let’s just say that Lady Emily’s actions aren’t just a one-off fluke. On a different note, the only ones I ever really watched of that bunch was AntDude. He was very dry, kid-safe, but did have a passion for the games he played on whatever Nintendo related console, especially Sonic and Sonic Rom Hacks (where I got into his channel). I fell off the bandwagon because… well it just didn’t click with me anymore, and seeing him do this is one of those things that’s just completely disappointing to see. Either way, I really like the content of the video Dev! Keep up the good work!
Lady Emily is such a bad person. she made a decent video about AVGN but that's about it. shes the type that can't be in relationships because she is very paranoid and refuses to set boundaries
I've said this before, but I might as well say it again: Chugga is such an awkward goofy guy in all of his public appearances, that the fact that we see that *this* is how he chats up girls honestly feels all *too* appropriate. It only makes me feel like my original picture of him was even more true than I hoped. In all seriousness, now that I know more of the story, I think that taking the Lawly story seriously as an evil act is almost as dumb as with Emily. 16 is legal in most of the US as well as most of the civilized world on the whole. People only think of 18 because that's what it is in Hollywood. Yes, obviously 15 < 16, but 1) the only overtly sexual thing he said was before he knew her age or even saw what she looked like, 2) he was only a few years older, still a "post-minor" if you care about that concept, 3) they never met in person until many years later and 4) I think there is significance in the fact that it was a distant (though still very cringe) time to be on the internet. Really, the most shocking thing in those messages is evidence that Emile, who was so often ribbed by Jon for his innocence, knew of term "loli" as far back as 2010 or so. Oh, and while I never quite knew what to make of it, I was one of the fans who would be shocked if Chugga and Masae *were not* dating. Very sad how it all went down. The guy didn't deserve it. I'll grant some wrongdoing on his part, but I don't have any time for anyone still treating him like a villain at this point.
Most US states have some age of consent exceptions for near-age people, to avoid nonsense scenarios like a 16 year old dating a 17 year old suddenly turning illegal a year later. That's not really relevant here though. Like you said, the most extreme stuff he said was before he knew anything about the person, wasn't that bad, and he stayed well away from crossing lines. Yes, it's hard to sit through the cringe, but canceling him over what was at worst awkward dialogue was extremely f'd up.
This is absolutely hilarious, and I'm only 28 minutes in. The music choices for chapter names, the abrupt fake ad, it all made me burst out laughing. And the golden standard of cringe from the 2000s to top it all off. Thanks for the good laughs, Dev and Naomi.
Guys, seriously.... gotta take the hint, stop giving away your time, attention, focus, energy and friendship to anyone who barely tolerates your presence. Value yourself. Yikes, this ish is out of hand.
Watching it again muted. Werster is a really good pokemon speedrunner, so I'm sad that he inserted himself into all this nonsense. Big ups to Tim for being the goat, Jon might not actually be that much of a snake, justice for Emile.
I think it's safe to assume Werster didnt have the full context when he posted what he did. Up until chugga added his side of the story, those logs really where looking awful
@@bagfaceman1656 There's one problem I have. Werster's AGDQ video from 2012 proves that he knows fully well what a 2010 joke is. Despite that, he took time to thumb through the logs and create screenshots of the worst-looking jokes. Why would he pretend not to know exactly what he was looking at, and act like it was serious, despite his past branding of that exact same type of comedy?
@@bagfaceman1656 I said he created the screenshots, not the log. The screenshots were all him, and they were deliberately chosen. I wanted to know, based on his exact same humor style he branded for himself in the 2010s, why is he pretending that these are not jokes? He knows exactly what he's looking at.
@@JC-jm9wy My guess is that Werster is just taking the side of a friend. I mean, he said they were close. It stands to reason that he would obviously use his own rep to get her story out under the pretense that he was defending her. It's possible that she wasn't giving him the full context either. Otherwise I have no idea why Werster as a 3rd party would have anything to gain from doing this, unless they have animosity for each other that we don't know of.
The more I read about this whole incident, the more I felt for Emile. This world is a cruel place, and I believe that he was taken advantage of at every step. I won't support any of the people that jumped on Chugga's ass without hearing both sides. Sexism is alive and well, and the world hates men.
The development stunting I feel way too much, I always gotta remind myself that I'm not 17 anymore I'm 21. Even if I couldn't really grow up I still have. And a lotta people get stuck like this. Stuck in that Peter pan syndrome because their childhood never really finished, it never really completed. For me the catalyst was probably the worst year of my life and never actually celebrating my 18th birthday due to that shit. My 18th birthday was just a day. And it went by without a single person remarking on it. Compound that with a unfortunate events you could only find in media kind of year and well, it is what it is. You just gotta remind yourself that you're an adult and you get up, go to work and do shit. Everyone can be fixed I believe.
@@ShortFatOtakuhi dev its fortunate to get your attention, I just wanna say thanks for making the content you do. It's very enjoyable and interesting. I'm just glad I found you and Vee instead of breadtube or whatever tiny white nationalism exists on youtube. A lot of your stuff helps me when my autistic ass has to figure out how to explain harder things to my friends about economics and general political theory. I know it's not much but genuinely thank you for what you do.
I'm AuDHD and in high school I unfortunately knew so many people that acted like Masae, there was something I was doing that I didn't know about that was turning them off and they never told me. Instead they kept ostracizing me to the point where I would show up to school with cuts all over my arms. Every time I'd stick up for myself and try to talk about it, they'd gaslight me and my teachers just called me too sensitive. It was clear they were "too embarrassed" to hang out with me when all they had to do was just tell me what was bothering them. I can confirm this horrible behavior comes from a place of incredible ignorance, narcissism and a bit of learned behavior. Lots of people love me and I'm forever grateful for that, but the ostracizing hurt more than anything and is why I struggle still to this day (I just turned 26) with my mental health. I'll always support Chugga and I wish he was my friend. Autistic men deserve beyond justice. And I HATE people like Masae.
while I feel bad for you because of what you went for, I personally don't believe this applies to Masae. I think whats most likely the case is that She didn't want her dating life to be public to youtube when its none of their business especially since the direction of her brand was never supposed to focus on her dating life. I think that's why she didn't want for people to know about her and chuggaconroy dating. because all of their friends knew about those 2 dating. and she wasn't embarrassed to be seen with Chugga because she had him on his channel countless times.
@@Megistrus That was the other 2 dumbass. Masae had very little to do with this entire drama. Also you needed English lesions because I said "didn't" Past Tense dumbass
19:08 Ant Dude is like Ludwig of gaming community, a coward who has no opinions of his own and claps for whatever current thing is. I'm glad Destiny called him out and I wish more people did
Remember getting banned from Habbo just because my character was black, lol. Didn't even go to the pool or any public room and actively 'played' the 'game' at the time.
Said this on the video that was taken down: 1:39:14 The slow zoom in on Lady Emily’s face when she’s happily taking a picture with Mickey Mouse is like the perfect blossom on this peach tree. There’s no way she would have got this far in a sane world, no way anyone would have taken her seriously with the ability to spot behaviour like this.
It really hurts people can be like this. Imagine all of your friends, people you should be able to trust, just making shit up about you and trying to ruin your reputation for 5 seconds of clout. The thought of that happening to me makes me want to cry. People who initiate and participate in cancellations are actually evil, they're all working to make the world a cold and lonely place for no benefit beyond satisfying their own spite. They don't have a single drop of empathy in their body, and them having any power over others will force us into a low-trust society. Future generations who'll be even more tied to the internet than us are going to be emotionally skull fucked if we don't put a stop to this morally repulsive behavior. Sociopathic societies who just want to farm each other for clout are miserable societies. If you want proof of that, just look at how miserable progressives are. Those circles breed depression and anxiety disorders. How could they not when they have infinitely increasing standards, no path to redemption, reward sociopathy, and personally hate anyone who doesn't conform perfectly? The only logical conclusion to this is that everyone is a snake who doesn't care about each other. This shit has to stop. I'm sick of it.
Spot on observation. But it's all in the name of a future progressive socialist utopia. A non objective world of objective subjectives, where it's always never Schrodinger's year 0. Where all animals are equal and some animals are more equal than others. A future of infinite variations of special pleadings amid an ever shifting tiered hierarchy of oppressors, victims, and revolutions. Founded atop an ever growing mountain of skulls, but they were wrongthinkers so they deserved it. Built for, built by, and maintained by the very same "evil" 1% they scream about, in order to keep them distracted by bread and circuses, forever locked into their endless cycle of (un)civil wars without end. Sweet sweet utopia at last. Until of course the very next second, and then utopia isn't nearly utopian enough. Because if it was, the grievance grifters would be out of a job and out of things to complain about, and might have to do something productive for once, or actually get a hobby, or develop a personality.
It appears that partaking in social media these days are just echo chambers and bots patting each other on the back for how "morally superior" they are compared to people they aren't to fond of. Worst part is this has been going on for years...
It appears that partaking in social media these days are just echo chambers and bots patting each other on the back for how "morally superior" they are compared to people they aren't to fond of. Worst part is this has been going on for years...
I really feel bad for Chugga. He was just thrown under the bus by everyone he knew. Im so glad he had Tim (NintendoCapriSun), as he always stuck by his side, and looking at thing recently, with his support, Chugga seems to be doing better now
Incidents like this make me deathly afraid of approaching women, let alone engaging in friendly conversation with them. What the hell did Emile ever do to deserve this shit?
Shit like this keeps happening and it’s making socially awkward guys terrified that one social misstep could end up being blown up to apocalyptic proportions and ruin their lives, and when they voice their worries, progressives laugh it off, mock them, call them women hating incels, creeps, and they have the audacity to cry about why people like Andrew Tate is taken seriously, at least he provides answers (even though he doesn’t care himself btw) and doesn’t brush them off
@@caolanochearnaigh9804 unless I’m thinking of someone else my understanding is he’s avoiding ever being alone with a woman in private in fear of some allegation coming about and some journalist made a piece decrying him for refusing to be near women.
@@breyor1 On one of the discords I'm in, occasionally a guy will read a cringe fanfic out loud. It's surprisingly difficult to listen to it. Someone even left and came back later lol. I didn't, but I understood how he felt.
The worst part of this for me is really Masae. I had never been so dissapointed at a person I dont really know personally. What she did was just cruel.
@@tallyikroe2476 she literally posted some tweets that made him look like a creep as if they had never had a relationship.. and they did for 10 freaking years. You can't just go out saying he was a creep that made you feel unconfortable and not explain you had a relationship in the past
I don’t know if you're a Smosh person, but Chugga and Masae keeping their relationship a secret is a similar thing to what happened recently with Shayne Topp and Courtney Miller. The difference is, them keeping their relationship a secret seemed mutual, and they actually revealed it together on April Fool's just to fuck with people (it was real, they're just assholes 🤣). Every fan who knew about Shayne and Courtney either were shipping them, or knew about the shipping. They even used moments they were on screen together to prove it was real. They stopped doing it after a while (people realized it was weird to do), but this Chugga and Masae situation is pretty much that situation, but smaller and with a bad ending. 😭
When it comes to these axe-grinding types, pretty much everything that comes out of their mouths comes with an asterisk that stands for "Not me, though."
In my opinion, you definitely shouldn't have accepted RUclips flagging down your video without a fight. You don't deserve a strike or warning. But it's your decision and I respect that. Thanks for reposting this. Love ya man. 😊
@@tallyikroe2476Oh hey it's you again. Let me know when you do your own video with a counterargument and as much research as this one. I'll watch it! (You won't because you're full of 💩)
So, when I first heard about the whole thing, I wanted to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I heard there was stuff going on with Lady Emily, but I didn't come into drama until the Masae revelations dropped. And her revelations I found to be important because she had a very close relationship with TRG, and so she would have some very close knowledge as to whether the allegations had any merit. So people were cautious and trending a bit against Chugga, but then the Lawly documents dropped, and I think that's when most of the audible Internet turned against him. But it was weird. I actually took the time to read through the logs, and I came to a very similar conclusion. Yes, Chugga should have shut it down long before it got to this point, but the majority of the raunchy stuff came from Lawly. Although Chugga has the responsibility, Lawly is far from innocent just in her own document. As you pointed out, the documents are from the 2010s, which had a very different sense of humour and edginess. It was after reading her document that I started to feel very odd about the whole situation. How come no one else could see what I thought was plainly obvious? It was cringe ERP that shouldn't have taken place but was emblematic of the edgy side of the 2010-era internet. Not great but nothing to cancel anyone over. It was in that time that Byrne and TheAstralAlchemist started to collaborate with Tim (NCS) about the whole situation. From that point on, it was watching for the Chugga document that would inevitably drop. And when it did drop, it was like the proverbial scales from most peoples' eyes, and they could see what was patently obvious with most of the allegations. These were issues that should have been handled (and quite honestly were handled) privately. The biggest bomb shell, that Chugga and Masae were engaged, completely flipped her allegations on their head. So it was very, very interesting to see many vocal parts of RUclips flip the script and even apologize for jumping to conclusions. I was quite happy to see that the broader opinion changed in favour of Chugga.
I hope Emily never experiences the horrors that is sexual violence. I went through 5 years of SH and felt this whole situation especially with Emily was harmful to survivors and victims. The fact she was given the OPTION to opt out. What I would've done to get the option to say no and that would've been it. Supporting Emily I feel is a fuck you to survivors. That this kind of violence has been dwindled to "This man unintentionally made me uncomfortable. Lock him up."
What's even more funny is that this conversation DID happen in private (Chuggaa and Lady Emily) and Emily STILL decided to go public with it cuz why tf not 🤦
Attempting to remake my comment from the original: *15 and 19 are ages that could go to the same high school.* Turning 18 doesn't make the age gap suddenly evil. This is just "freshman dating senior" territory.
@@CloverKyng I was in high school in the early 2000's. Senior (especially boys) dating freshmen (especially females) was extremely common. The only people who took offense to it were the senior females. Funny that. Prophetic, almost.
@@user-tb8uo9lt2x It's crazy when I was in 9th grade back in 2011, I knew about a freshman dating a senior and no one really cared. Times have really changed.
Good to see my video is being used to good use, 1:27:24
1:30:32 i also talked about the JaneDoe situation on my channel
Thanks again for using my content as a source!
np man, thanks for doing it!
@@ShortFatOtaku NOOOO - THE BOT COMMENT... it was so big and stinky :(
@@ShortFatOtaku I'm watching this on your Rumble channel, because RUclips needs to burn down, with only the janitors allowed to leave.
I'm really just here to say, "Goddamn, boi, Aydin Paladin would be _proud_ of that video length."
@@AttacMage It had it all :(
@@AB0BA_69 I don't know how many times there have been lawsuits over it, but manipulating logs or screenshots of them to make it look like someone did something bad seems like per se' libel, as it should easily pass standards of being knowing and malicious in most cases.
It might get complicated using internet handles, but if it's manipulation with a person's name or known likeness attached, that wouldn't be an issue either.
I think it's very telling that Emily found it easier to start an entire cancellation campaign to ruin Chuggaa's life than to simply tell him that she was uncomfortable.
Can’t clout farm from a personal conversation. Either that or it was punishment when he stopped sending free shoes.
transwoman moment
She has a RUclips channel. She had to get her numbers up somehow….
@@GregCaldwellPlaysI want her cancelled! That or banned from RUclips permanently!
@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDennisTRF But see, this is where we are different! We don't stoop down to their level!
Emily: don’t use Emile’s autism and awkwardness as a defense for his behaviour
Also Emily: give me a break for not telling him, I’m an autistic depressed trans woman
Typical for these types of people - rules for thee but not for me-
Emily sounds confused
@@audit_the_frauditors shes trans. many such cases
@@Drbeattles so Emily he is confused
It’s more fair than you’d think. As an autistic person, it can be very hard to stand up for yourself. My opinion on all this is that chuggaa just needs to learn how to not cross boundaries and, if he does, to recognize it and stop / apologize. Doesn’t deserve cancellation, just some guidance.
EDIT: No judgment, I struggle with boundaries myself.
Everyone needs a friend like nintendocaprisun.
He's the Sam Gamgee of real life.
He’s not a friend. Tim is a certified BRO
It is true.
And fwiw, I wish we could expect that out of _every_ friend. That should be the bare minimum, really.
@@KGKSkullHe’s not a bro. Tim is a certified wife
@@KGKSkullyeah....so like the other dude said irl Samwish....Samwish the original bro
"This is Earthbound. Probably a game all of you have heard of but none of you actually played."
Decades later and this still rings true.
i've played it many times and i love it
Same phrase oddly goes for a lot of Japanese tokusatsu. Ultraman, kamen rider, super sentai.
I remember when that game first came to the Wii U store. After years of hearing how great it was, I bought it immediately.
It was pretty good.
@@ShortFatOtaku
Have you ever played Mother 3/Earthbound 2?
Shout out to all the brothers in the UK who got none of the games.
🫡
“They won’t flag the video” Dev said “It will be fine to include the weird sneaker talk” Dev said.
YT censorship can go to ****, and Chugga didn't deserve this betrayal, but that WAS hard to listen to lol.
I thought it was the part about the IRL Doopliss that was taken out
How bad was it?
btw anyone who sees this Apparently Lady Emily is friends with Schafrillas Productions so if you see her make an appearance in a future ace attorney ranking or see schafrillas get cancelled in the future, now you know
Hoo boy, replying in case this ages well.
Gonna screenshot this, I appreciate it soldier 🫡
Oh god
He can't handle more tradegys, man.
He can't!
Noooo f*king way…
It is kind of crazy to me that many people jumped on others defending Chuggaaconroy, saying things like "You don't know him! Stop assuming he's this good person!" Which to be fair is true, we don't know him. We are only outsiders looking in....But everyone took Masae's word as gospel. No one had the "you don't know them, don't believe them to be the good person they perpetuate!" argument when she dropped her receiptless , proof-less response. No one dared call into question her claims, everyone just trusted her deeply.....When the same logic applied.
I'm not saying Chugga is 100% innocent, nor am I saying that Masae's claims about him making her uncomfortable were 100% invalid....But there is a bit of a discrepancy here, as everyone took Masae's side without batting an eye, but turned on people standing up for Chugga, as they were just "blind para-social fans".
Then, it was proved Masae left out critical context, and it made Chugga look way worse while the internet was already piling on him, all in a controversy that didn't even involve her to begin with. Truly vile behavior on her part if you ask me.
I agree, I’ve lost respect for Masae after reading this further. I’ve watched her channel quite a bit, but after this, I immediately unsubscribed from her channel.
It’s because MasaeAnela has been so closely intertwined with Chuggaaconroy that his own fans were put on edge about her accusations against him. Yes it was a knee-jerk reaction but so what? She also just clearly had a bad breakup and wanted to dispel any rumours they were an item - not necessarily stabbing him in the back.
@@LinkMarioSamus But she completely stabbed him in the back by adding fuel to the fire that wasn’t needed, in a controversy that didn’t concern her. Everyone was already turning on him, and she made his situation far worse, despite NONE of this concerning her.
Chugga had to explain the situation in his response along with the critical detail she decided to omit because her words held that much weight and so many people turned on him even more because of it.
Drawing a line in the sand and making a statement was fair because of the over-lap within her and Chugaa’s fans, but she completely stabbed Emile in the back by dogpiling on him, and making herself completely untrustworthy imo by leaving out important context.
@@DoctorMinjinx She did not intend to stab him in the back. Actually such a notion that she did is revolting because it insinuates every decision of hers had to have him in mind specifically.
@@LinkMarioSamus I didn’t say she absolutely intended to stab him in the back. She may have not, I don’t know her or Emile.
But leaving out that context DID stab him in the back, weather she truly intended that or not, we can never know as we don’t know either of them.
But she made him look far worse when she left out important context, especially because everyone took Masae’s word without proof.
In my recommended I saw a video of CapriSun and Chugga watching the latest Nintendo Direct is was really nice to see. He looks like he's doing much better now
I mean considering Chuggaaconroy is finally seeing that Nintendo is going back to it's roots when it comes to Mario RPGs, it's great to see those videos where he's getting excited with Tim after everything that's happened!
He's uploaded a load of bonus videos from his old LPs and Jon says the runaway guys will return when he's ready, so sounds like he's getting there
As a woman who (knowingly) married a "foot guy", I feel really bad for chugga. My husband was vehemently bullied and used for years online before and after we met. I sat by and watched girl after girl pull the same shit Emily did, being 2 faced and "nice" to his face, but spinning mad shit behind his back and outing him for laughs until he finally got up the courage to tell me he was tired of waiting for me to make the first move (so he finally did LOL). If they had only got to *know* him, they would have found the most gentle, loyal soul on earth. I really hope Chugga comes out of this on top and can find someone who appreciates and loves ALL of him, 100%
Oh hell no💀even foot fetish mfs can pull more bitches than me💀
He's got a girlfriend who stood by him through all of this, so that's definitely a good sign!
God bless you miss, gave him his happily ever after
@MissRora "If you don't love me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best."
-unknown quote source.
The women Emile is with now seems to be the real thing.
This is an amazing comment. I wish you and your husband well, the love of two sole-mates always help the world in heel-ing
WOW seeing NCS stick up for his friend like that was very moving. I watched them both as a kid and knowing they’re still good friends is really heartwarming to me.
And it made me sad how protonjon basically abandoned Emilie as he wanted to save his own image.
I don't think therunawayguys will be coming back due to that.
@@Misdrexi think theirs some minor misinformation on that because chugga told jon to disconnect from him when the drama dropped thou we dont really know what the behind the scenes happened thats what i heard when people talk about protonjon dropping chugga
I think they're past the point of being good friends, they're basically brothers at this point
@@AldoAnotherEden and even then, Jon didn't completely "abandon" Chugga. In a situation like this where you have a very impressionable community (inside and outside of TRG), You can't be hasty when it comes to defending someone. So he decided to take a measure that was actually understandable. In distancing himself from Chugga Untill this drama either fizzled out or cut him completely if the allegations were true.
Now personally I would have preferred Jon to react like Tim Did, but ultimately there's nothing wrong with Jons Reply
@@tallyikroe2476 yeah i know that. but im pointing out that jon didnt exactly do the disconnect himself it was chugga himself that told jon to do so.
Personally thou people have a bigger impression of tim because he stuck by chugga regardless but yeeah.
Thank you for posting this. I have nothing but respect for Chugga. If not for him my brother (NCS) may not be alive.
I hope you're all doing well in spite of all this chaotic bs
Your brother a real one!
Wow, I didn't realize it was mutual in that way, although I won't pry into personal matters. It's good to know that they had each other's backs. So you're Mary who used to have the art shop with him, then? I didn't realize you had your own RUclips channel.
I didn't know it was mutual in that way. I'm curious, but I won't pry into personal details. Just know that your brother is a true friend and an amazing person. It's nice to know that they've always had each other's backs. Glad to hear that you're all doing well.
Your brother and Emile have a great friendship.
NintendoCapriSun is a real bro. He's the kind that doesn't care if his personal career is in danger; if his homie is wronged, his homie can count on him. I encourage everyone to find a homie like NintendoCapriSun... Also, be a homie like him too! The world needs more people to stand by our nice but otherwise awkward guys.
All honesty, chugga doesn't seem like a bad person. A friend i went to school with met him, and he said that he was one of the absolute nicest people ever.
Reposting of my comment from the first upload
The most shocking part to me of this whole saga was the reveal that Emile and masae were engaged. You need to understand that this was a rumor in their communities for decades. You can find old videos of people asking them about it at convention panels, but they would never address it directly. There was so much speculation and so little evidence to say definitely whether or not they were together. This reveal, being dropped unceremoniously in the middle of all of this, for someone who has been watching Chuggaa since the 1st grade, is nothing short of an absolute bombshell
Like at the end of day i wish none of this happened. I wish i never learned this. Like its taboo info at this point in chugga's life
wild
Regarding how long it took Chuggaa to make a response, probably the saddest part is the fact that thanks to his past traumas, and him spending months in a mental institution, he wasn't able to make a response immediately. On top of that, even when he left, Emile might not have been ready to even make one.
That all said, I've lost respect for the channels that threw him under the bus. Though I'm okay with unsubscribing from those channels.
NintendoCapriSun's a bro, however.
Yea. I think Antdude defended the completionist which might have affected how he handled this drama. Crazy how he might’ve ended up on the wrong side both times.
@@mattblaster2378 hilrariously enough the guy cried about how he "didnt like drama" before quote-en-quote exposing chuggaa when anyone with a brein knew that was bullshit given his engagement with the completionist drama
@@mattblaster2378 Antdude wasn't in the wrong inside of the Chuggaconroy drama. That was just a misunderstanding
I think the only person I used to watch was Ms Fushi and even then I stopped watching her before all the drama ensued. They've definitely lost any respect I had for them, if I knew them
@@AmazinglyAwkward She's essentially a "Pick Me" Girl. which I find ironic because when the drama came out, No one Picked her
The fact that lawly self-reportedly went out of her way to get herself in trouble and came out empty-handed really puts bear meme into perspective.
Also, jebait nymphos grooming adult autists is an understudied SA vector.
@@an2qzavok I actually wonder how many of the (especially younger adult) people siphoned up in predator stings are autistic or developmentally delayed.
@@JodyBruchon they obviously not rounding up the rich and powerful, lol
@@an2qzavok
Out of all the things to come out of this drama I gotta say that wasn't on my bingo card. Thank god my autistic ass spent those years of my life in a state of paranoia that there are no girls on the internet, and all minors are FBI agents.
@an2qzavok this is something I've wondered about before. I used to be wayyy more online when I was 16-18 and knew a lot of pervy teens (of both genders) around my age and a little younger.
Emile/Chugga may have dodged a bullet by not ultimately marrying MasaeAnella.
Masae would have destroyed his life even worse with US divorce courts being what they are
I'd like to imagine he would've been smart enough to get a prenup. But then again... blargen.
It’s so depressing that he ‘dated’ that chick for like a decade even though she didn’t have enough respect for him to acknowledge it even once. Totally one sided. If they’d gotten married I have no doubt she would’ve been about as bad for him as Anisa was for Anisa’s wife Idubbbz.
@@enclaveherewhyisntyourvide3089 the curse of sonichu lives on
@@subjectnivleis7572Rick Nekieta knows about the curse of Sonichu now
Oh god, I immediately just got a flashback of the Situation involving MafuMafu and Rushia.
1:52:45 For those of you who are wondering why Chugga took so long to respond to everything it's because his therapist told him to stay off social media for a good while and he wasn't allowed internet access. That's why we didn't hear anything until April.
I mean I'd want to compose myself before making that type of response lmao
AntDude is so pathetic, he got off too easy with this. Wish more people called him out on his obnoxious behavior regarding this situation and the Jirard situation.
kinda sad honestly, I used to really enjoy his spongebob game reviews and mario and luigi retrospective but after the completionist drama and especially the chuggaaconroy drama I can't in good faith stay subscribed or watch his content, I genuinely do not want to associate with someone who would aid in ruining someones life over a series of misunderstandings that he and his wife blew up to apocalyptic degrees, fuck you Antdude I genuinely hope when the day comes when its your turn to be cancelled (and it will come btw) that you get to experience the same hell you've put emile through for those 3 months and when it happens im bringing out the popcorn and the whisky along with the lawn chair to enjoy your downfall
I can't believe how much of a hypocrite he is. Dude says he doesn't like getting into drama but he blindly defends the Completionist and dogpiles on chugga because of a misunderstanding he and his girlfriend blew out of the water. And then when it's revealed that Ant and Miss Fushi were both in the wrong instead of apologizing or owning up to their mistakes they block accounts and delete comments talking about the situation. Granted they didn't deserve to be harassed on their live streams after chugga's doc was released, but they definitely deserved to be called out for adding fuel to the fire to Massae's posts.
AntDude? More like Can'tDude.
@@marionsonic1035AntDude’s involvement is baffling. Dude misinterpreted Emile’s actions towards his girlfriend and piled onto him. And fast forward a months and Tim confirms it was all a misunderstanding and it’s such a nothingburger that Emile didn’t even address it in his testimony. Ugh. Man made it worse for no real reason ( kinda wonder if this is connected to people finding autistic men more creepy than neurotypical men unfairly.)
AntDude is definitely the kind of person who will not admit his mistakes unless it makes his public image better.
The reason why AntDude got off Easy was it was a misunderstanding with him and his wife. thats it.
Edit: I thought the miss-communication was mis-hearing what Chugga said. Nevermind. Fusha and Antdude are complete idiots
What annoys me about lawly is the fact, they had an actual friendship. But lawly threw an entire 13 year friendship for some internet clout.
That's exactly what happened with an old friend group of mines where we had been friends for nearly a year only for them to suddenly drop me because they found out about my political leanings.
@@PeruvianPotatothe key to changing minds is to form a group and then ostracize those who don’t fit in💪🏻😂
@@PeruvianPotato nah man this is like. Ive been close friends with a girl like this. Same cringe yk same style of talking. We still talk but yk these kinds of things make me feel almost nostalgic and cringe. I just cant imagine if someone were to like call me a pedo and make me look like a monster for clout
@@PeruvianPotatoThat legit JUST happened to me probably two weeks ago. Except I’d known these guys for at least a decade. Pretty much grew up with them.
You know what makes it worse? It was over me NOT having not changed stances they already knew I had. One stance in particular they THEMSELVES used to share, which was what the conversation was about anyway. Guess they no longer think a man should have a say in what happens to his child since it’s literally half of him…
I’d say the absolute worst part though is how they straight up didn’t behave like themselves anymore. They had the exact same behavior and even vocabulary as Twitter progs. It was like watching blue checks puppeteering the bodies of people I loved.
You cannot convince me this isn’t a spiritual sickness. The way it grips people and literally empties them of who they are isn’t natural
@@newdivide9882 You know, what if I were to tell you that they too literally ditched me because of my views on abortion. I haven't and have no interest in talking with them two years later but from the small bits my ex told me about them last year, it seems that they've turned on each other at some point. I can't say I feel bad but at the same time, wondered what could've been if people were simply more open to think for themselves rather than trying to appease everyone else.
Dev you better give Dave and Naomi a raise for their professional roleplay services.
"feet roleplay services"
Wow Masae is literally the worst. From a person who “doesn’t condone harassing other people” by promoting a lie, and using Chuggas clout to get ahead for her own career. Then ultimately to just throw the guy under the bus when he was no longer needed? That is the ultimate low of just using someone for your own gain. But I don’t expect much from these groups of people.
When Masae meet Chuggaconroy, he at the time was popular but he wasn't popular enough to establish a line in the sand when it comes to an olive branch. ever since then she didn't ride off of his Success and Fame, She became some intertwined with TRG as a whole which that propelled her career, With How much of an impact she had on the TRG Community, I would say its rivaled with how much of an impact Stephen George had.
This Point in Particular has to be the most mind numbingly stupid accusation I have ever seen while growing up with TRG. This is not only false, but the only people who would make that accusation is from people who just looked at this drama and had a negative perception of Masae
The only thing Masae did was keep their relationship status a secret. thats it
@@tallyikroe2476 She also commented that he constantly made her feel uncomfortable and pushed boundaries, stating she didn't want to attend any conventions he would be at going forward because she didn't feel 'comfortable or safe doing so'; she made him out to be an abuser while leaving out the critical context of their relationship .
Funny thing is, Emile probably never would have revealed they had been dating for ten years and had been engaged (he had respected that boundary for over a decade, which runs counter to her accusation of him being a boundary pusher) if Masae hadn't decided to kick her ex while he was down.
@@myounakami I don't consider that them being pushed as an abuser. I took that as more that their friendship got a bit uncomfortable with Masae Personally. So she wanted to cut it off
@@tallyikroe2476 I'd be more inclined to think that way too if not for the fact that she specifically used the words, "I don't feel comfortable or _safe_ doing so", insinuating she didn't want to be in the same place because she viewed him as a threat to her.
These people lack basic communication skills that even I have. If someone is making you uncomfortable, tell them, instead of nudging them into making a fool out of themselves. Unless that's what you're trying to do.
I agree, you should discuss boundaries or put it out there from the very start that if anything said is making the other person uncomfortable, they should speak up. You should also avoid sexual innuendo or anything blatantly sexual if you're speaking with minors. Its some pretty basic stuff.
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And I am here to update Chuggaconrroy has posted a new video. He has come back.
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RUclips threw a new Chugga video at me. I clicked it and saw no dislikes. Surprised, I googled Chugga is all green flags, and found this.
Good video, very helpful in clearing every bit of confusion around the topic. Thanks for having all this info in just one package.
NintendoCapriSun is the bro all men want.
thanks man
Well... There were a couple hundred dislikes on the new videos, according to the return RUclips dislikes extension, but they were still ultimately overwhelmed by the thousands of likes by comparison.
@@Mike-77-YT Every RUclips video gets at least a couple dislikes, no matter what it is. Glad to see a bunch of people are still supporting him.
I feel bad for Chugga, he was never really equip to handle all of this bullshit hurl at him in a timely manner and his offline life with his mom having a cancer scare probably sent him over the edge. I used to watch him back when I was a pre-teen and I went to rewatch his videos from time to time as an adult. Seeing how wholesome and goofy this guy is, I said there is no way he is this rapist pedo the "progressives" paint him out to be. I am glad my intuition was correct, fuck all these ppl that threw him under the bus. Also NintendoCapriSun is the realest person ever.
Months later, I'm still upset
This did NOT need to happen
Still infuriated me to this day too
Gentlemen, we're back!
@@stickfigure8416 Agent Stone says... "HE'S BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!"
I have a lot of thoughts about this video. For the record, I am a trans woman and maybe my political leanings could be described as libertarian socialist, but at least on social issues, I am very left leaning. And I just want to thank you for rightfully calling out the bad behavior of Lady Emily - I don't condone using one's status as being trans as a shield from justified anger over one's own bad behavior - this kind of thing legitimately makes it harder for the rest of us to be treated like human beings. I followed this story very closely the first couple of months, having been a viewer of Chugga's for over a decade (and even narrowly missing the chance to actually work with him professionally in 2010 - we've never met, but he worked as a guest for the final time with a group I became part of only a few months before I joined up), but admittedly, I stopped following it when Chugga finally made his post-absence statement and confirmed essentially everything I had already sussed out.
I read the *entire* Lawly log (I seriously don't recommend any one do that btw, it was dreadfully dull and cringe and extremely long and 99% of it was wholly irrelevant to any of the claims) and my thoughts on that are simple. Chugga said inappropriate things to a minor. There's no defending that. But he didn't actually engage in any pedophilia or grooming and even had his "aha moment" and cut it off. He went on to, as far as we all know, NOT display a pattern of this behavior, he condemns his past actions, and also it was almost 15 years ago AND he was a dumb barely legal teenager who is also autistic and not susceptible to common social cues (a common theme throughout the whole tale). On its own there's plenty to get outraged at him over but when you take all of the context together as a whole, its fair to say he was a dumb kid who did things he now recognizes were not okay and he deserves the second chance. After I read the whole text dump, it truly just felt like this was not only wholly irrelevant to what was going on, but also just trying to destroy a man who is already under fire, however possible. For the record, I think the later revelation that Lawly was *trying* to lure someone into statutory rape with her is disgusting and she definitely needed help that she apparently didn't receive, but she was still the child in the situation and it is up to the adult in the situation to shut that down - and to Chugga's credit, he at least didn't take the bait and did eventually shut it down. As for the years later conversation when they were both adults, "shall we pick things up where we left off" when engaging in explicitly sexual roleplay is damning wording, but also misrepresentative of what actually happened years earlier. I think holding that aginst him is a stretch.
As for Masae, I think she would have stayed quiet throughout all of this, but she got bombarded by Chugga's fans asking her about it, and to that extent, I can understand it, but also this is the natural consequence of having a *very close* public friendship that is hiding a private relationship that ended in a bad breakup. For the most part, nobody knew they weren't friends anymore. That said, prior to the full context being given, her saying that he made her uncomfortable and found his apologies to be hollow carried a different weight that gave more credence to Lady Emily's story. But the full context tells a different story. Technically I don't believe she lied, and I'm not even willing to speculate that she told what she told with deceptive intent beyond wanting to keep their past relationship hidden still - but it's all there - the pushing of boundaries clearly refers to how he would publicly flirt with her when she wanted to keep their relationship private, which can also act as part of why she is uncomfortable around him but also they had a bad breakup which would make anyone uncomfortable to be around their ex. And the bad breakup also makes sense why her current partner would have just as much contempt for him, especially if he attempted to foster a friendship one-sidedly while just being his oblivious autistic self and not taking the hint that she wasn't having it. Its not a great outcome, but with everything out in the open, at least to my knowledge, thats the end of the discussion for Masae.
As for Antdude and MissFushi, I think Tim exolained it pretty succintly. It was a lot of misunderstandings that got out of hand. Unfortunate, but it happens, especially with Chugga being his typical oblivious self and not picking up on social cues because he is autistic. From their perspective, it does honestly look like way too many coincidences to truly be coincidences. I have to imagine that they, like Masae, were likely bombarded by Chugga fans for any insight and didnt want to talk about him, but said something to get people off their back.
That just leaves Lady Emily. Now, my default position is to at least take someone claiming to be a victim seriously until proof to contrary surfaces, regardless who is who in the situation. Even before Chugga's post-absence explanation of everything, I had already accurately sussed out what happened, as I said earlier. The only thing I didnt sus out was her explicit consent to the foot fetish RP. But the rest of it I had figured out - that it was fairly innocent, she felt uncomfortable and didnt set proper boundaries, then ghosted him, and he, once again, was oblivious to the social cues because he is autistic, and kept checking in on her, because he was genuinely concerned about her. They had never met, so I dont know why she was so fearful to just set boundaries, but also after Chugga made his big response, as a fellow trans woman, I was ready to sympathize with why she might have done that - the disproprotionate amount of sexual violence and hatred that we trans women face definitely makes a lot of us a bit jumpy. Which isnt to say her fears weren't real, just unfounded. What I didnt know about was how she just continued to dig her heels in after everything was brought to light. Like, girl, just admit you were scared and handled it poorly and move on! I think it was cruel and hypocritical for her to simultaneously hide behind being transgender and autistic to deflect criticism while also encouraging people not to let Chugga use the autism defense, (another point of respect for man - he didn't and assumed full responsibility for his actions instead) when it is *abundantly* clear that Chugga being autistic and oblivious lies at the very heart of all of this. I don't really want to comment on any of the other drama about her that unfolded that didn't actually have anything to do with Chugga, especially since I stopped following this when that stuff came out. I think this is a sad situation of a friendship being ruined by poor communication and obliviousness to social cues, one that went farther south than it needed to. In the end, Chugga was guilty of being cringe and autistic and over sharing about his fetish - none of which is either illegal or cancelworthy.
As for ProtonJon, I can't expect you to find every little detail, considering how much research you DID do, but it is worth noting that he distanced himself from Chugga at Chugga's own urging. And he got pestered about it so much at his streams that he did eventually say on a stream that nothing he said about the situation or about Emile was posted without Emile's express consent. I don't think it's fair to put so much fault on him in light of that.
And if you read this far, just a small personal bit of criticism for you. First of all, thank you for respecting Lady Emily's gender throughout the video. Even if she is not a good person, it's not right to dehumanize her, as many people probably would. However, I thought the joke about tucking, while I don't think you meant any harm with it, was inappropriate and I would encourage you to consider jokes about trans people and their genitals as being not cool in the future.
As a fellow trans girl, I completely agree with you. I hate it when people use being trans as an excuse to be horrible or as an excuse to get special treatment. I feel like it just makes it that much harder for trans people to be seen as equal. I honestly don't even understand how Emily being trans has anything to do with the situation. I'm trans, but I don't want people to treat me like I'm the Queen of England, I just want people to treat me like a normal person. Sorry, it just really upsets me when people use being trans as a shield.
Who tf dates someone for a FULL DECADE, let alone be engaged, and do everything in their power to ensure no one knows while also constantly appearing in their videos? Kind of defeats the purpose if your goal was to draw people's attention away from thinking they might be in a relationship. Makes me think she never actually loved him and it was just convenience (While hypocritically claiming she wanted to stand on her own).
Nah, I think the shame explanation fits best. If she was with him for clout or status she would have had no problem mentioning their marriage after the break up. But she still kept it quiet. She was definitely ashamed.
@@Slazors Usually when you're ashamed to be with someone, the relationship tends to end pretty quick. She stayed with him for 10 whole years! Why stay with someone for so damn long if you're so ashamed of the relationship? From my experience, either he might actually have been abusive towards her (Since people who are on the receiving end of an abusive relationship tend to have a REALLY hard time breaking up and it can take years before they do so) or she had something to gain from their relationship and we don't have any information on that. If she really did love him at some point, she wouldn't try this hard to cover-up their decade long relationship while making it somewhat obvious they are, in fact, in a relationship by constantly appearing together in videos.
@@JE3MAN it's possible she wanted something from him like clout and a platform while also being ashamed which would explain the longevity, but there may have been a breaking point for her at some point where it wasn't worth it anymore, maybe she met someone else.
@@Slazors and yet, after looking it up, she didn't hesitate to date yet another streamer AND make that relationship public just a few months after breaking up. I'm most likely missing a lot of information but it does feel like she got as much mileage out of their relationship and she got rid of him as soon as he outlived his usefulness. If the truth is anywhere close to that, she's sincerely a massive piece of shit.
@@JE3MAN "Usually when you're ashamed to be with someone, the relationship tends to end pretty quick."
Not always true. Lots of people have terminally low self-esteem and stay in relationships they're not proud of because they feel that it's the best that they can do or all they deserve. It's a major reason why many people stay in abusive relationships (not saying Emile was abusive).
I'd like to expand on the Massae thing, not only did she spend 10 years not revealing her relationship with Chugga, her next relationship she immediately revealed. And on top of that, with the timeline, the best assumption that can be made is that she at best immediately started dating someone new, but with the margin of error, it could have been as bad as her cheating on Chugga with her current BF.
Wow.
I honestly thought that was one of the most tragic parts of the video. EVEN EXCLUDING the utter BS she pulled during and after the drama, even excluding your added context, that situation sounded borderline abusive on her part to me.
I hate to go down the prog logic route, but even if Im wrong, I cant help but apply it TO progs just so they can feel what it's like... In this case, it screams she's essentially ablist by having such a die hard insecurity about dating an autistic guy, that she'd make him suffer through keeping their relationship a secret... For A DECADE...
It screams that she never really intended to marry or commit to him, and that she really just wanted to waste a decade of his time.
And... He went along with it, trying to be a people pleaser... I've learned from experience it doesnt work in the long run, I've been in similar shoes to him (though fortunately my past dramas have remained private lessons to be learned). It makes me wonder what went on behind closed doors, because it comes off like that wasnt the only thing she'd walk all over him for.
100% agree that she cheated on him. Why did she suddenly end the relationship with Emile? Because she found someone "better" to date. It's not like she broke up with Emile and then met her current BF the next day. She had known him for a while because she participated in his D&D games.
Another fun fact - when she publicly announced that she was dating him, a bunch of her friends (who knew she had been dating Emile) all congratulated her about it, saying things like "it was about time."
@@Megistrus honestly it really screams how terrible the people he surrounds himself with can be.
Let’s not jump to conclusions about her cheating.
She never respected Emile. That can be very apparent. And their feelings towards each other were never mutual.
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Can I just say as a long time Chugga fan who kept watching even through the low channel growth years, thank you for making this. I admit, I was one of the people who initially fell for a lot of the initial canceling attempt, not from Lady Emily, but Masea (cuz I used to watch her content too). I never thought I'd be seeing Supermega type stuff around this corner of the internet so I legit didn't know how to feel about one of my favorite content creators for the first half of this year. I think this video is simultaneously useful and informative, and as some one who was pretty invested in this drama, you found a ton of stuff that even I didn't know about. I'm obviously not happy that any of this happened, but I hope that Chugga can find a better group of people in the future. I used to relate to the guy a lot (no, not the feet stuff, it the Autism and social weirdness) and seeing all of the info laid out like this really hits hard for me in the, "Do the people I call friends, call me a friend" kind of spot.
Great vid btw I'll be going back to this one a lot.
EDIT P.S.: since this is a re-upload it sucks its gonna get less attention. Also a shame since i was hoping we might get at least a Nintendo Caprisun comment since he seems to be the most tapped in, but sorry to hear you haven't heard back from any of them. Gonna keep re-watching to promote it nonetheless
I've been a long-time supporter of Masae, she knew me by name for a while, and I enjoyed interacting with her. Now, it's rare to get the chance. After being subbed to her on twitch for almost four years, I'm finally cancelling that subscription. This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
Wonder how many people have done the same.
I got some questions left because of this drama. The major one is did Masae’s current boyfriend knew about Chuggaa and Masae being a thing? But I don’t blame you for cancelling your twitch sub to her. I’m not hoping anything bad to her it’s a case of reap what you sow.
@codywasson5894 He almost certainly knew. There's no way she wouldn't have told him about her relationship history. Dude is just a total loser for taking pot shots at Emile. He came off as petty during this whole ordeal
True if Chuggaa does come back to making let’s plays I’m gonna watch it day one. I been checking his channel a good amount of times to see if there has been a let’s play video. If he chooses to stay off the internet I’m not gonna blame him but if he does comes back I’m gonna smile with joy.
@@codywasson5894 Main reason I cancelled it is because her behavior just reminds me of someone I'm really trying hard to forget. There was someone I once had romantic feelings for, who didn't really feel the same way, but enjoyed having a sensitive guy around to be emotionally available to her, so she kept me around as sort of a third-wheel. While Emile wasn't made into a third wheel, exactly, I get the sense that Masae's logic was the same as this other girl's. I could be wrong, but at this point, even if I ask her, she won't trust me enough to give me the truth. The only thing she's been clear about is that she doesn't want to talk about it anymore, so if she wants us to leave her be and draw our own conclusions, so be it. That's just the conclusion I've drawn.
It’s still goddamn despicable they do this to Chugga once Kirby dies. These people really wanted him to suffer and if Nintendocaprisun and Chugga’s partner weren’t there to stand by him full, we saw when we found out why Chugga had to be pulled into a mental institution.
I agree it’s bad but by this point Kirby had been dead for 6 months. This isn’t them attacking somebody immediately
Kirby had been dead for years at this point. this wouldn't be new information. Pipi would be a different story
@@tallyikroe2476 Pippy was a few years ago (During Galaxy 2) while Kirby was during B2W2. Yeah there was 6 months of a gap from that to the Emily stuff it still was probably hitting hard considering Emile had Kirby for 19 YEARS.
This is just a thought I was having for a while when I found out about the Ant Fushi stuff but when exactly did the donation for her cat happen? If it was while Kirby was on the decline near the end, or AFTER he was already gone, getting called a damn simp for trying to help hits real different imo
Wait, Chugga's Cat Kirby died?! 😨
I didn't think it was that long ago he did his Sticking it to Sticker Ster Series, where Kirby appeared in Chapter 2 and 3 as a Cameo at the end of those Videos. 😞
This is unacceptable! 😡
@@yazmenakamura6750 Kirby died when Chuggaconroy recorded their Pokemon Platinum Lets play
but remember guys "false accusations can't ruin men's live". this sucks. i just now learned about this as i was going to watch some of his content while cleaning because its been actual years since i last watched and i find out the poor guy is in shambles and stabbed in his back by "friends".
also on the topic of him and masae being together i always thought they were. i had no proof but if you watch some of the christmas gift exchanges they did with steven and mal, they just felt like a couple. i think one year steven and mal gave them a shared tea gift of some kind and the way they reacted made me think "yea they're probably together.
But they weren’t completely false accusations in Emile’s car though. Misleading (and in Masae’s case vague) but there was still some substance to the claims. I think the lesson here is to resolve things in private and (unless someone is actively harming another person) to keep it private.
@@Rosa-kd2clThey did though
Edit: Let me rephrase, it was *SUPPOSED* to be kept private, but "Lady" Emily decided to be petty and make it public years after the event took place, specifically, sometime after he finished Black & White 2, for context, from what I've gathered from watching videos on the "controversy" Emile was 19 while "Lady" Emily was 15-16, he wasn't even near full adulthood yet, while, yes, it was still on him for doing what he did, it was also on "Lady" Emily, she could've said "stop" or "I'm uncomfortable" at any moment like any normal person, but she didn't, she fully consented, she let it continue, any sane person should know that you should always speak up, especially in a scenario like this where you're possibly being harassed, but there's a problem, the keywords are "normal" and "sane" she wasn't normal nor sane at all, this wasn't even harassment, this was fully consensual roleplay, and from what I've heard, this "Lady" Emily has a track record of canceling RUclipsrs in the past
"False accusations can't ruin men's lives."
Who says that?
Only thing Chuggaa was guilty of is cringe
Agreed
Pretty much
Phew, so Chugga isn't a Creeper.
Thank Heaven.
@@yazmenakamura6750 He just got back to making videos too
So he almost married a clout goblin that wouldn't admit they were in a relationship publicly, while riding her boyfriend's fame... Then for some more attention she jumps on the bandwagon to cancel him after having broken up.
@@gamingforever9121 Tell me you're a simp without telling me.
@@gamingforever9121Neither is assuming someone hates women for criticizing them. Very telling you assume someone does.
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast No, Chads leave society and live on their own in the wilderness.
@@mikeallan7740it called calling out shithole people
@@gamingforever9121 can't expect people to get shat on constantly and not become a user
Poor guy. Imagine being thrashed and then abandoned by an entire community of people you thought were your friends.
Progressive friendship really is like playing with fire.
Progressive friendship is the orcs in Shadow of Mordor. Just constant plotting, scheming, back stabbing, betrayals, and unabashed unashamed blatant naked opportunism.
@@thegrimharvest
>the concept of backstabbing
“ThIs rEmIndS mE oF vIdeO gAemS”
TOUCH GRASS
@@ImortalZeus13 No, I don't think that I will, but thank you for your deep concerns and poignant criticisms.
Yup
@@ImortalZeus13 Chill out alpha chad, video games are a useful reference point for complex ideas because they pack in story context and mechanical systems into a simple reference for conversation. It's actually really, really useful to use games as a way to explain complex or specific ideas.
Am I the only person who would ride with their friend if I didn't fully support the claims against them?
I've always been the kind of person who doesn't have to agree, like, or support everything my friend does to be their friend... Because my friendship would have been based on things we do agree on or have in common.
This idea that "you made a few bad choices, so you're dead to me forever" just doesn't ring of a "true friend". If anything, I'd feel like I would want to stick by my friend more the worse things are.
I guess I'm wrong, or just from a different age... But people are bad friends nowadays.
Yeah nah, the concept of friendship has been muddied in recent times. Maybe it's just me being paranoid but that's the vibe I get.
@@PeruvianPotato I just dislike how quick so many people who knew better were essentially scared into silence or disavowment.
If what they did was truly something that you can't vibe with... I 100% get it. But for something like this, his inner circle could have said something and really nipped a lot of this in the bud before it got out of hand.
Actually same here. I have only a handful of long lasting friendships and my friends and I don't agree on everything and we see and act differently, but I don't think any of them nor me would abandon ship the moment some other people would accuse me or the other of supposed bad things done without proof. We'd ask each other what's what, we'd take time to assess facts, but we'd probably go by "innocent until proven otherwise". But I agree with you, it's harder nowadays to have solid friends like Nintendocaprisun for Chugga, progressive political agendas (or what TheCriticalDrinker calls "the message") pollute friendships easily nowadays.
It's a very internet thing, especially on RUclips. Very few e-celebs who are "friends" genuinely love each other. They want to get something out of each other.
It's one thing to be a friend to someone in life. Apparently, it's another to be friends while you're all on the stage of social media. Everything is performance-based, not value-based regardless of how much they may claim otherwise. It's akin to Hollywood relationships and friendships and I would seriously doubt the intelligence of someone who thinks they're 100% legitimate and not staged in any way.
It's a shame how Chuggaa broke down his entire life story, explained the situation in agonizing detail, and apologized for any harm he may have caused, and people still think he's guilty, while a certain bearded man committed charity fraud and just brushed it off, and people just let him off easy.
the problem is theres certain communities that will never forgive someone over something they are not guilty of (Example; Callmecarson labeled as a Pedophile), and then theres multiple people who they just brush under the rug (Example of how in the fuck James Charlies isn't cancelled as a Predator/Pedophile)
Even though Masae and Emile made amends, I’ll still never see her in the same light again. I never watched her content except for the vlogs years ago but I don’t see myself watching her content going forward after what she did to him.
Try watching one of those old vlogs again I tried and by the end you’ll be in tears knowing how it ending
They made amends? Emile is too kindhearted for his own good.
@@Thefufflylord I don’t know if made amends is the right term just talked the situation out and seemingly have closure
@@androidoficeandfire9667 Considering what she did, that is still very generous of Emile. Seems like she wanted to mend the bridge when people started to notice how loathsome she actually was.
MasaeAnela at least didn’t try to repeatedly talk smack about him - at worst it was just a misguided attempt to distance herself from him that backfired since she said it under the distress of being egged on about it at a convention.
1:22:12
“Yup, that’s me, you’re probably asking how I ended up in this situation”
HAHAHAHAH
chad
🤯
welcome to the club
@@ShortFatOtakuupdate, I made a Twitter account and one of the first things that happened was Emily blocking me. Just thought everyone should know lol.
This comment originally posted on may 31st 2024
I wish Alec Holowka had as support group as good as Chugga.
If he has someone like NintendoCaprisun and chuggas current girlfreind he’d still be alive…
@@maxanderson8704 I miss the guy. He was a leftie, but his games and specially his music were great.
amen
maaaan remembering all that makes me sad :c miss him
Poor Emile. I knew Emile was the victim in this.
But seriously I thought this situation was going to end up with Emile retiring. Which honestly would’ve hurt me right in the feels
Correction: Jon stuck with Chuggaa, it's just he had a lot of feelings and he didn't find out the Truth until near the End of the Allegations. plus while he distanced himself Professionally: he did not distance himself personally.
This
Its tiring to see people blame jon for "Running away" when he did nothing of the sort he felt betrayed and simply didnt know how to handle his feelings so he felt it was best to distance himself for a bit but they are back to talking and being friends and is figuring stuff out behind the scenes, with waiting for Emile to feel ready to do a full comeback and see what happens and also talking with him how they are gonna move forward with TRG
Do you have anything I could read/watch more about this? I really agree with this video about Jon. But I would like to give him and the people defending him the benefit of the doubt, so I'm curious to see his POV. I've seen clips of Jon talk about this, and honestly he does not seem like a good friend.
@@mista_louie He's a a bit from 1 of my comments from Chuggaa's recent Sonic Color bonus ep part 3 mainly(if you want the whole comment you can ask me and I'll respond with it or you can look for it) {Jon} "said in his stream Fortune Cookie: "Hey Man, Nice Shot" Edition at 1:39:39 (not linking as RUclips tends to remove comments with links) that he knew Emile was gonna start uploading again, Emile told him they talked, so they most likely are still friends and will likely make videos together again (the return of TheRunawayGuys) if Emile is ready." other examples of Jon talking about the event is on the Chuggaaconroy Archive channel ran by 2 fans they uploaded 2 clips of Jon talking about Emile "Proton Jon discussing Chuggaaconroy after Colosseum" which was soon after Colosseum so emontion still high and "Proton Jon's statement on Chuggaaconroy's return to RUclips" which says they still talk but he's not going into Chugga's stuff as it's his life right now. This mainly talks about his disappointment in the community.
I believe the order of the clips from oldest to most recent
Proton Jon discussing Chuggaaconroy after Colosseum
Proton Jon's statement on Chuggaaconroy's return to RUclips
Hey Man, Nice Shot" Edition(check Jon's stream archive channel)
Again I can't like as it'll cause RUclips bots to hide my comment
Transmasq AND autistic fella here. (Also millennial) Just gonna say, her using her trans-identity AND autism to claim victim while saying "Don't you dare use that same excuse for Emile!" really ticks the wrong nerve for me. Rules for thee but not for me bullshit. I despise that. Hella gross!
Also as someone who's also dealt with SA in life, I understand why Chugga's trauma prevented him from responding right away. I mean it's REALLY HARD to talk about that stuff! Yeah how the hell does one think it'd be "easy" to talk about it!? It takes a very brave soul to speak on it.
Oh and as someone that uses GaiaOnline, and has been since 2007, let me say that most people are drama-llamas. The dwindling userbase due to the crumbling community, whales/vendors, and users that are mods/staff that abuse the power they're given (IE: Kissing Lanzer's ass to get power. Lanzer is the guy that made the site for context) is enough to not take anyone seriously. Truly.
I watched the whole thing go down long ago and I'm honestly happy that Emile is doing better. Saw his recently videos that he posted and I'm glad that he's worked up the courage and confidence to do so! And Tim/NCS has been one hell of a bro through all of this, too. Sticking by him through thick and thin! Everyone else has said it but for real Tim's a real one!
this video genuinely changed my views on a lot of things but made me see how cruel and unfair i was to turn my back on chugga after being a long time fan after seeing the allegations at a first glance and even though he lost the battle, he won the war. thank you for making this video and helping us all see the errors in our way, I would've never thought twice about the situation if it wasn't for your 2 cents
thanks man
If he comes back to RUclips, I’d say he won the war at that point
@@GregCaldwellPlays thankfully he has but not to the point of making letsplays. I think hes experimenting with commentary type essays for now
@@tallyikroe2476 from the looks of it he seems to be doing clean up stuff from previous lets plays.
@GregCaldwellPlays checking his Twitter that is the case but now we aesit to see if he'll make a nee let's play or not, either way it was good to see him upload again after 6 months of silence
Man had his whole life torn down, driven to nearly become an hero, and all because a trans Karen got TRIGGERED over a reddit comment that wasn't even directed at them or about them. All so they could lash out at him in spite and still claim the "moral high ground" by the usual self identifying victimhood meta. All of it just to get that sip of sweet sweet clout cocktail. How very progressive.
Certain classes of people get away with things because this world is bs.
Protected classes give mentally ill people a chance to become petty tyrants; the biggest issue with progressive politics is the quest for new high horses, and new classes of people who can't be criticized, because that really just makes ill people even worse.
@@fawful7457the LGBT mob is quite powerful, my friend!
@@odindarkll3706 makes sense due to how a lot of people forgive James Charles after 7 allegations while everyone attacks CallMeCarson for 1-2 Allegations that both are allegations he had more then proved to everyone that he deserved a second chance, and with 1 of them not being entirely true to begin with
@@tallyikroe2476 IDK who those people are, but if I were to guess, CallMeCarson got dog piled similar to Chuggaconroy while James Charles got away with objectively awful things? Just an educated guess. On a brighter note, Chugga has proven his innocence, has a new GF, and is uploading videos again!
“How did no one outside of their friend group discover this relationship for over 10 years?”
As a longtime Chugga/StephenVlog fan, there was a lot of people who shipped Emile and Masae. It would always get the response of “Stop shipping real people”
Turns out the shippers were right in the end
The one thing I really disagree with in this video is the “Fuck Jon, he abandoned Emile/threw him under the bus” which is completely false. Jon did distance himself professionally from Emile for a short while, but they were still friends. They still talk and I do believe he’s open to start doing TRG again if/when Emile is ready and able to (Emile is taking things one step at a time, right now with uploading again). Jon doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the others at the end.
Also, one thing to mention about TRG Colo 2023 since you talked about it, Masae’s current boyfriend Brett was there off screen because I think Masae wasn’t comfortable with being in the same place as Emile again.
can you link me a source to him saying that TRG will come back, because if thats true. I would love for this to be nothing more then a cliffnote in the past. with the only exception being Masae won't be seen as much on the main channel because Masae would still be a reoccurring guest while Emile is a Main
@@tallyikroe2476 I don’t believe Jon said outright that it’ll come back, I was just inferring that he’s not against it.
@@SquidofBaconator ah alright
Chugga may be a foot freak but that's downright normal compared to the wackiness that Pyrocynical is into.
My response quarter-of-a-millionth
What's Pyrocynical into?
Tangentially related: Proton Jon is arguably into worse stuff than Chuggaa but gets a pass by the community because he's overly public about it to a similar degree as Pyrocynical. Had to unfollow the guy because he clogs up all his followers feeds with fetish fan-art of himself dressed as Rosalina and turned into an obese rabbid from Rayman or something, some of which he commissions himself. Genuinely kind of surprised that Dev didn't even make even the tiniest of jabs at this aspect of Proton Jon at all in the video.
Inflation @@jakethegreatest473
@dylanvscomics8138 Seriously...shortly before I left his community, he said he was gonna dial back on the fetish-y stuff, including the RosaJon donation alert where his (her?) chest grows...but as far as I know, that never ended up happening, and the RosaJon hole has gone even deeper. How have people normalized this?
As someone who had watched Chuggaa up until about mid-way to his Xenoblade 2 playthrough, and grew concerned for his now half-year hiatus, i really need to thank you for making this video and being objective on your statements despite also giving your opinion. Please make more content like this it genuinely moved me how you executed this video
This honestly did feel like an ace attorney case where against all odds the client is proven innocent
Short, fat AND an Otaku? Dev, you have got it all.
😂
man, I'm glad everything worked out for Chugga.
The guy was always cringe as shit, but I love him for it, being so unashamedly him is refreshing in 2024.
I just wish he gets some headspace after this shitnado
I think someone pointed out that the Protonjon thing isn't quite so cut and dry. Basically, he is still friends with Emile and Tim, but the three agreed that, while Tim worked with Chugga, Protonjon would hold down the fort and keep the ship steady.
Well, I do hope you're right. I do like the guy; I've been a fan of his since the days when he played yhe egg sound for each subscriber individually. But, the way things have gone, I can't quite give him the benefit of the doubt.
@@jonathansmithwick5703 Tim seems to have confirmed it.
@@jonathansmithwick5703 Same, but this info is coming from Tim. I think it is a case of timing with Jon, considering what happened with Jirad (a friend of Jon's). People need to remember that Emile and Jon are not informed people and will tend to follow whatever the mainstream political narratives are-a brand, not principles.
I would love for Jon to stand up and be counted, but I think he (and the others) realise there isn't a lot that can be done now. Why rock the boat and stir more drama? That would be the last thing Emile needs.
@@Thefufflylord Jon dropping likes and his wife (Lucahjin) posting things like "I'm here for you" when Masae dropped her allegations, but remaining silent when Emile came forward with his receipts certainly hasn't made it easier to trust either of them. In my opinion, the very least Jon could've done was kept up a neutral appearance toward _both_ Masae and Chugga... But he just couldn't manage that.
@@MissRora I agree, but, as Dev rightfully pointed out, the "friend" group is less of an actual friend group and more of a cult. This entire affair has lowered my opinion of Protonjon and Lucahjin and everyone else for that matter.
I loved the Runaway Guys and I tended to support Jon when they gamed. They introduced me to Boon Street (which I love, and my friends and I have spent hours playing) and I sometimes put some of their LPs on as white noise while I'm doing things.
Chugga is also responsible for one of my favourite LPs of all time - his, frankly, legendary LP of Pokemon Crystal. But, I've drifted away from these people mostly because of their increasing political stuff and some of their apologetics for companies (Emile defeating Pokemon Sword and Sheild). But I also had to remember that these guys are normies and are running businesses. They have brands, not principles. Again, it's one of the reasons I drifted away from them.
That said, when I heard the deal with Emile, I decided to look into it and was totally shocked by how much of a non-issue it was. It was pure fake drama and it confirmed to me that people have gotten weak and far too thin-skinned to be on the internet. It also made me realise how much I miss the old internet-considering I've been lurking on here since 99-back in the days of every fansite being GeoCities and blinding backgrounds and the Steak and Cheese with its shock images.
When this all kicked off, I was very disappointed by ProtonathanJonathan's response, which lowered my opinion of him. But I'm reminded of who he surrounds himself with and that he had a brand, not principles. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here entirely on the word of Tim. But, Proton, I want you to know that you are, indeed, a total bitch and when the mob comes for you, I hope Emile will back you and prove that, like Tim, he's a better person than you were.
Protonjon and Masea really suprised me cause they always seemed like such good friends and for them to not try at all and help emile is wild. great video
TBH, and I know this will sound weird, but I never liked Protonjon, and always felt like he had some type of bitter resentment towards Emile’s success.
The way I’ve seen Jon talk about his past, and act on livestreams, as well as some his comments towards Emile in later TRG projects, I always had some type of suspicion that he actively was jealous of Chugga in some capacity.
Jon always sounded so past clingly bitter the way he talked about his past. Gave me the vibe of someone who never truly moved on.
Jumping on Jon doesn't feel right. He did help Emile behind the scenes, just not publicly. He's been friends with people who actually did these things Emile was accused of, so I don't blame him. And besides, he added no fuel to the fire at all.
@@luxraygaming2300he addes fuel to the fire by not backing emile at all and basically saying he won't be working with him again he folded to peer pressure
@@Mostillistfrom what I’ve seen he hasn’t said that that he won’t work with him right now and that he’ll need time to process it. He’s been friends still and helping him out. Considering how it blindsided him and the issues with friends in the past (notably Jirad), I don’t think it’s right to slam the guy as a fake friend for not having a perfect response to this especially when we don’t know everything that’s happened.
Also gotta take into account jon has said he has had trust issues with his two previous gaming groups i believe one was outed as a pedophile or something so jon does have some leeway in that regard. Thou i heard that he was still personally friends with emile just that his professional business with emile took the hit. Thou honestly i dont think it was hurt too badly considering all the information that came out
A lot of praise for Tim here there are people forgetting the other unsung hero of this story: Chuggaaconroys current girlfreind, honestly if it werent for her Emily would've gotten away scott free with hypocritically doxxing her home countrys location (something she btw never apologized for even though she would be guilty by her own moral standards) and standing up for him when his """"friend"""" said all those horrible things about him on the phone
Please don't tell me this """friend""" was ProtonJon...
@@marionsonic1035 Probably not as that would make literally no sense
Looking back now, this whole situation consists of people violating Hanlon's Razor just to portay someone who made poor mistakes as a disguised supervillain the whole time. Moral relativism is as extinct as the woolly mammoth.
I think you see that in a lot of journalism. Easier to understand what emotion you're meant to have when someone's being played up as pure evil, than a more nuanced perspective.
Regarding Lawly:
HOLY. WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK.
Typical high schooler in the mid 2000s
@@urstaxfetish1206 This! I was coming into adulthood in the early 2000s. Teenage behavior is always cringe because they're growing up and don't know what they're doing in the world yet. We all acted stupid online like this but we didn't have huge social networks and "archive everything" movements back then so you rarely see any of it.
bruh wtf did i listen to?
Cringe highschoolers. It's how a lot of people were back then on the internet.
Oh god, this does remind me of my time back then. I hate looking back on my teenage years.
Last update (Hopefully): chuggaaconroy just uploaded a new let's play. Hopefully, this is a sign to a full-on return.
I'd never heard of *_any_* of these people (not because I'm not an internet boomer but because I just never pays attention to LPs), yet I watched this whole dang thing anyway.
It's amazing how people (Masae for example) get away with "I just wanted to be left alone, guys, that's why I made that post" when the obvious intention was to kick someone when they were down, to hurt them when they were most vulnerable. Someone who, in theory, you actually should still have positive thoughts about... weird. Maybe you thought they hurt you once when you were vulnerable, but really, *_you're just being evil._* That's it.
She was being bugged by fans at MAGfest, hence “I just wanted to be left alone.”
Speaking of responses to allegations too late, I was wondering whether Slazo (a commentary youtuber accused of gf abuse) timed it perfectly or did the response at the latest point possible before the zeitgeist of the internet conscious solidifies?
It’s still very jarring that all of this went down in January. I wanted to hold my breath until I heard more information when they began, waited until the first wave of allegations and responses concluded, and then when Masae added fuel to the fire it all went downhill. Before Emile made his google doc, I was disappointed that this massive group of “friends” acted as fast as they did since they all seemed like a family yet I only heard NCS as the only one keeping track of Emile’s wellbeing. The entire drama just completely shattered what appeared to be a welcoming community and the real victim, Emile, ended up being the one ostracized by his close friends. I don’t wish for any retribution, karma, or ultimate downfall for the people who threw him under the bus, however I doubt I’ll be as sympathetic if anything happens to any of them given their community can be close minded and can act without hearing the full story.
Jon apparently has been keeping in touch with Emile the whole time and still friends with him, no idea about the rest of his friends in the TRG crew.
@@Rosa-kd2cli think their were a few posts of other yters in the community like stephen and madamwario that were still believing in him at the time. I didnt really get back to chugga until his response post on twitter which blew up on in my email box
Man, flagged and reuploaded? You've got it all.
First ProJared, Dan Avidan, Vinesauce, SuperMega, and now Chuggaaconroy. It's almost like gaming RUclipsrs have some weird anti-canceling proxy.
It's because they have an Indian inside Google's four walls on speed-dial.
Meanwhile, randos get served by Sprinklr under a popular name.
Regarding Vinny I’m so glad no one took that shit seriously it was shut down immediately.
@@PlanterbannterAgreed. None of it added up at all, and I'm glad everyone quickly noticed that.
Vinesauce's "crime" was "using" his minor internet fame to get laid, something every male celebrity who has ever existed in every time period for the entirety of humanity has done.
@@Planterbannter Yup. Couldn't agree more.
I remember back in 2009 when youtube let you have your own personalized channel pages, and people could comment on them. I remember when I subbed to NCS and he commented, "Hey, thanks for the sub!" on my page.
Not just me, he did that for EVERYONE who subscribed back then. I'll always remember that. That was the first and only time a content creator I liked went out of their way to thank stupid, annoying, 12 year old me. He didn't have to. No one had to. You're SUPPOSED to subscribe to people you like to watch. But he did anyway. Because he's just that kind of person. His pure genuineness is lost on so many people that it's tragic.
All of that is to say, NCS is the realest one in this story. Thank YOU Tim, for sticking to your guns and being a REAL friend.
also good video 👍
Legitimately, hearing a high school girl jokingly use the grape word as liberally as that was unironically nostalgic to the edgy girls I knew in high school.
The one that did Emile dirtiest was without a doubt Masae. She could have just easily said "we used to date, now we don't" and avoided all these allegations, but no she didn't want anyone to know about their relationship, even though most of the fans already knew/suspected. And yet she had no problem making her relationship with BrettUltimus public lol.
Repost from the first time:
"The part near the end reminded me of a tweet by Neontaster: "Progressivism is the view that the most compassionate thing you can do is be as gleefully ruthless and violent as possible towards those you perceive as lacking compassion."
(Also, the way you guys voice over the logs...)
Listening to it I had the same mental breakdown mr krabs had it the squeaky boots episode screaming stop it there here under the floor boards lol
Makes me want to hear someone voice over some of devs old cringe from when he was a teenager. You know, to show him that maybe doing that is kind of horribly cruel.
It is a gross manner of self righteousness these sorts operate under. While acting they do it out of some warped nobility. Rather than malicious zeal it actually is. Like who honestly believes these people are being nothing other than people with an axe to grind?
@@JakobusMaximustrust me when I say this as someone who grew up in the same Era as Dev, he *knows* if we got hold of his 2004-2014 cringe we would ruthlessly do the *exact same thing.* And he would laugh just as hard at it as the rest of us because he's actually got a sense of humor.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 I would absolutely not do the same thing, are you insane? What part of maliciously maligning someone comes across as a good idea to you? I've heard that some ~5% of the population are psychopaths, but damn, I didn't believe it. Or are you kids just that deviant in nature that causing harm to someone is how you enjoy yourself?
So for those who are viewing the video now and didn’t catch it on release:
Dev cut about… 20-25ish minutes of content, citing the jokes being an issue (I didn’t really register the jokes as being offensive). The biggest cut was Lady Emily’s dedicated section of the video, which will probably be for a “Dissecting a Degenerate” type of video in the future. It was very enlightening to see her history out to bare in the video (even with the tweets already against her and basically the receipts of her being manipulative and using her autism and being trans as a shield).
Edit: to slightly clarify what exactly was cut from the history portion, let’s just say that Lady Emily’s actions aren’t just a one-off fluke.
On a different note, the only ones I ever really watched of that bunch was AntDude. He was very dry, kid-safe, but did have a passion for the games he played on whatever Nintendo related console, especially Sonic and Sonic Rom Hacks (where I got into his channel). I fell off the bandwagon because… well it just didn’t click with me anymore, and seeing him do this is one of those things that’s just completely disappointing to see.
Either way, I really like the content of the video Dev! Keep up the good work!
Lady Emily is such a bad person. she made a decent video about AVGN but that's about it. shes the type that can't be in relationships because she is very paranoid and refuses to set boundaries
I've said this before, but I might as well say it again:
Chugga is such an awkward goofy guy in all of his public appearances, that the fact that we see that *this* is how he chats up girls honestly feels all *too* appropriate. It only makes me feel like my original picture of him was even more true than I hoped.
In all seriousness, now that I know more of the story, I think that taking the Lawly story seriously as an evil act is almost as dumb as with Emily. 16 is legal in most of the US as well as most of the civilized world on the whole. People only think of 18 because that's what it is in Hollywood. Yes, obviously 15 < 16, but 1) the only overtly sexual thing he said was before he knew her age or even saw what she looked like, 2) he was only a few years older, still a "post-minor" if you care about that concept, 3) they never met in person until many years later and 4) I think there is significance in the fact that it was a distant (though still very cringe) time to be on the internet. Really, the most shocking thing in those messages is evidence that Emile, who was so often ribbed by Jon for his innocence, knew of term "loli" as far back as 2010 or so.
Oh, and while I never quite knew what to make of it, I was one of the fans who would be shocked if Chugga and Masae *were not* dating. Very sad how it all went down. The guy didn't deserve it. I'll grant some wrongdoing on his part, but I don't have any time for anyone still treating him like a villain at this point.
Most US states have some age of consent exceptions for near-age people, to avoid nonsense scenarios like a 16 year old dating a 17 year old suddenly turning illegal a year later.
That's not really relevant here though. Like you said, the most extreme stuff he said was before he knew anything about the person, wasn't that bad, and he stayed well away from crossing lines. Yes, it's hard to sit through the cringe, but canceling him over what was at worst awkward dialogue was extremely f'd up.
You say “18” like that’s how it is in the movies, but 18 isn’t even low enough for Hollywood itself
@@charmandyorton006 I don't think we want to use Hollywood as a *good* example though, lol.
This is absolutely hilarious, and I'm only 28 minutes in. The music choices for chapter names, the abrupt fake ad, it all made me burst out laughing. And the golden standard of cringe from the 2000s to top it all off.
Thanks for the good laughs, Dev and Naomi.
Guys, seriously.... gotta take the hint, stop giving away your time, attention, focus, energy and friendship to anyone who barely tolerates your presence. Value yourself. Yikes, this ish is out of hand.
Watching it again muted. Werster is a really good pokemon speedrunner, so I'm sad that he inserted himself into all this nonsense. Big ups to Tim for being the goat, Jon might not actually be that much of a snake, justice for Emile.
I think it's safe to assume Werster didnt have the full context when he posted what he did. Up until chugga added his side of the story, those logs really where looking awful
@@bagfaceman1656 There's one problem I have. Werster's AGDQ video from 2012 proves that he knows fully well what a 2010 joke is. Despite that, he took time to thumb through the logs and create screenshots of the worst-looking jokes. Why would he pretend not to know exactly what he was looking at, and act like it was serious, despite his past branding of that exact same type of comedy?
@@JC-jm9wy as I understand it, Werster didn't create the log, he merely posted it on behalf of the woman involved.
@@bagfaceman1656 I said he created the screenshots, not the log. The screenshots were all him, and they were deliberately chosen. I wanted to know, based on his exact same humor style he branded for himself in the 2010s, why is he pretending that these are not jokes? He knows exactly what he's looking at.
@@JC-jm9wy My guess is that Werster is just taking the side of a friend. I mean, he said they were close. It stands to reason that he would obviously use his own rep to get her story out under the pretense that he was defending her.
It's possible that she wasn't giving him the full context either. Otherwise I have no idea why Werster as a 3rd party would have anything to gain from doing this, unless they have animosity for each other that we don't know of.
The more I read about this whole incident, the more I felt for Emile. This world is a cruel place, and I believe that he was taken advantage of at every step. I won't support any of the people that jumped on Chugga's ass without hearing both sides. Sexism is alive and well, and the world hates men.
The development stunting I feel way too much, I always gotta remind myself that I'm not 17 anymore I'm 21. Even if I couldn't really grow up I still have. And a lotta people get stuck like this. Stuck in that Peter pan syndrome because their childhood never really finished, it never really completed. For me the catalyst was probably the worst year of my life and never actually celebrating my 18th birthday due to that shit. My 18th birthday was just a day. And it went by without a single person remarking on it. Compound that with a unfortunate events you could only find in media kind of year and well, it is what it is. You just gotta remind yourself that you're an adult and you get up, go to work and do shit. Everyone can be fixed I believe.
its hard man, i know
@@ShortFatOtakuhi dev its fortunate to get your attention, I just wanna say thanks for making the content you do. It's very enjoyable and interesting. I'm just glad I found you and Vee instead of breadtube or whatever tiny white nationalism exists on youtube. A lot of your stuff helps me when my autistic ass has to figure out how to explain harder things to my friends about economics and general political theory. I know it's not much but genuinely thank you for what you do.
thank you very much man
I'm AuDHD and in high school I unfortunately knew so many people that acted like Masae, there was something I was doing that I didn't know about that was turning them off and they never told me. Instead they kept ostracizing me to the point where I would show up to school with cuts all over my arms. Every time I'd stick up for myself and try to talk about it, they'd gaslight me and my teachers just called me too sensitive. It was clear they were "too embarrassed" to hang out with me when all they had to do was just tell me what was bothering them. I can confirm this horrible behavior comes from a place of incredible ignorance, narcissism and a bit of learned behavior. Lots of people love me and I'm forever grateful for that, but the ostracizing hurt more than anything and is why I struggle still to this day (I just turned 26) with my mental health. I'll always support Chugga and I wish he was my friend. Autistic men deserve beyond justice. And I HATE people like Masae.
while I feel bad for you because of what you went for, I personally don't believe this applies to Masae. I think whats most likely the case is that She didn't want her dating life to be public to youtube when its none of their business especially since the direction of her brand was never supposed to focus on her dating life. I think that's why she didn't want for people to know about her and chuggaconroy dating. because all of their friends knew about those 2 dating. and she wasn't embarrassed to be seen with Chugga because she had him on his channel countless times.
@tallyikroe2476 So if she didn't want her dating life to be public, why did she announce her relationship with Brett the neckbeard?
@@Megistrus You need to take English lessons
@@tallyikroe2476 You need to stop simping for someone who drove her ex-fiance to the suicide ward and never apologized. Not a good look bud
@@Megistrus That was the other 2 dumbass. Masae had very little to do with this entire drama. Also you needed English lesions because I said "didn't" Past Tense dumbass
Big and Stinky you got it all DEV
Man, short fat and otaku, you’ve got it all dev.
19:08 Ant Dude is like Ludwig of gaming community, a coward who has no opinions of his own and claps for whatever current thing is.
I'm glad Destiny called him out and I wish more people did
But, yeth.
destiny called out antdude? when
I think OP means Destiny called out Ludwig
He embarrassed himself in the Completionist scandal, now he embarrassed himself here. Dude is a total loser
Yeah Ludwig is frustrating as he isn't a progressive but he eats their BS up
About Lady Emily: she doesn’t have ALL victim cards; she’s white after all. So, she could be accused of racism.
Plus Emile's half-Mexican too... 😉
Remember getting banned from Habbo just because my character was black, lol. Didn't even go to the pool or any public room and actively 'played' the 'game' at the time.
I am proud that I never stopped believing in Emile's innocence.
Said this on the video that was taken down:
1:39:14 The slow zoom in on Lady Emily’s face when she’s happily taking a picture with Mickey Mouse is like the perfect blossom on this peach tree.
There’s no way she would have got this far in a sane world, no way anyone would have taken her seriously with the ability to spot behaviour like this.
Emily: Chugga wanted to sniff my feet pls give me sympathy I am so traumatized 😭😭
CSA survivor: That's dumb
Emily: I can't seem to find who TF asked
It really hurts people can be like this. Imagine all of your friends, people you should be able to trust, just making shit up about you and trying to ruin your reputation for 5 seconds of clout. The thought of that happening to me makes me want to cry. People who initiate and participate in cancellations are actually evil, they're all working to make the world a cold and lonely place for no benefit beyond satisfying their own spite. They don't have a single drop of empathy in their body, and them having any power over others will force us into a low-trust society.
Future generations who'll be even more tied to the internet than us are going to be emotionally skull fucked if we don't put a stop to this morally repulsive behavior. Sociopathic societies who just want to farm each other for clout are miserable societies. If you want proof of that, just look at how miserable progressives are. Those circles breed depression and anxiety disorders. How could they not when they have infinitely increasing standards, no path to redemption, reward sociopathy, and personally hate anyone who doesn't conform perfectly? The only logical conclusion to this is that everyone is a snake who doesn't care about each other.
This shit has to stop. I'm sick of it.
Spot on observation.
But it's all in the name of a future progressive socialist utopia. A non objective world of objective subjectives, where it's always never Schrodinger's year 0.
Where all animals are equal and some animals are more equal than others. A future of infinite variations of special pleadings amid an ever shifting tiered hierarchy of oppressors, victims, and revolutions.
Founded atop an ever growing mountain of skulls, but they were wrongthinkers so they deserved it.
Built for, built by, and maintained by the very same "evil" 1% they scream about, in order to keep them distracted by bread and circuses, forever locked into their endless cycle of (un)civil wars without end.
Sweet sweet utopia at last. Until of course the very next second, and then utopia isn't nearly utopian enough. Because if it was, the grievance grifters would be out of a job and out of things to complain about, and might have to do something productive for once, or actually get a hobby, or develop a personality.
It definitely needs to stop. Because it's unjust and based on emotions not facts.
It appears that partaking in social media these days are just echo chambers and bots patting each other on the back for how "morally superior" they are compared to people they aren't to fond of. Worst part is this has been going on for years...
It appears that partaking in social media these days are just echo chambers and bots patting each other on the back for how "morally superior" they are compared to people they aren't to fond of. Worst part is this has been going on for years...
This doesn't apply to this situation
I really feel bad for Chugga. He was just thrown under the bus by everyone he knew.
Im so glad he had Tim (NintendoCapriSun), as he always stuck by his side, and looking at thing recently, with his support, Chugga seems to be doing better now
Your foot holding the coffee is apt today.
Incidents like this make me deathly afraid of approaching women, let alone engaging in friendly conversation with them.
What the hell did Emile ever do to deserve this shit?
Shit like this keeps happening and it’s making socially awkward guys terrified that one social misstep could end up being blown up to apocalyptic proportions and ruin their lives, and when they voice their worries, progressives laugh it off, mock them, call them women hating incels, creeps, and they have the audacity to cry about why people like Andrew Tate is taken seriously, at least he provides answers (even though he doesn’t care himself btw) and doesn’t brush them off
I don't blame you. Even Ninja is doing this, and the journalists are proving his point.
@@MarioMasterProductions What's Ninja doing, exactly?
@@caolanochearnaigh9804 IDK, I don't follow him that much
@@caolanochearnaigh9804 unless I’m thinking of someone else my understanding is he’s avoiding ever being alone with a woman in private in fear of some allegation coming about and some journalist made a piece decrying him for refusing to be near women.
praying to god the weird rp shit was what got flagged
NOPE THAT IS ALL INTACT
@@ShortFatOtakunoooo!!!! That took 5 years of my life span hearing it
@@ShortFatOtakuthen what got it flagged
@@subjectnivleis7572I got second hand embarrassment from that..
@@breyor1 On one of the discords I'm in, occasionally a guy will read a cringe fanfic out loud. It's surprisingly difficult to listen to it. Someone even left and came back later lol. I didn't, but I understood how he felt.
The worst part of this for me is really Masae. I had never been so dissapointed at a person I dont really know personally. What she did was just cruel.
she didn't really do anything other then make it clear that they wanted nothing to do with Chugga
@@tallyikroe2476 she literally posted some tweets that made him look like a creep as if they had never had a relationship.. and they did for 10 freaking years. You can't just go out saying he was a creep that made you feel unconfortable and not explain you had a relationship in the past
If you look at the whole context you see how cruel those tweets were at the time she posted them.
@@MilaNavi can you send over the link to those tweets?
@@tallyikroe2476 Even better, can link you to the section of this very video where she proclaims he's a creep, so you don't even need a new tab: 17:50
I don’t know if you're a Smosh person, but Chugga and Masae keeping their relationship a secret is a similar thing to what happened recently with Shayne Topp and Courtney Miller. The difference is, them keeping their relationship a secret seemed mutual, and they actually revealed it together on April Fool's just to fuck with people (it was real, they're just assholes 🤣).
Every fan who knew about Shayne and Courtney either were shipping them, or knew about the shipping. They even used moments they were on screen together to prove it was real. They stopped doing it after a while (people realized it was weird to do), but this Chugga and Masae situation is pretty much that situation, but smaller and with a bad ending. 😭
I thought these people were fans of ”Accountability culture.”
Cancel culture was just a way for true degenerates to spew whatever they want without consequences!
When it comes to these axe-grinding types, pretty much everything that comes out of their mouths comes with an asterisk that stands for "Not me, though."
In my opinion, you definitely shouldn't have accepted RUclips flagging down your video without a fight. You don't deserve a strike or warning. But it's your decision and I respect that. Thanks for reposting this. Love ya man. 😊
Yeah no. There was so much bullshit this person was claimed and asserting that the fact that this video got striked is justified.
@@tallyikroe2476 Please feel free to point out the lies, then point out where the terms of service say you're not allowed to say that.
@@tallyikroe2476Oh hey it's you again. Let me know when you do your own video with a counterargument and as much research as this one. I'll watch it! (You won't because you're full of 💩)
So, when I first heard about the whole thing, I wanted to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I heard there was stuff going on with Lady Emily, but I didn't come into drama until the Masae revelations dropped. And her revelations I found to be important because she had a very close relationship with TRG, and so she would have some very close knowledge as to whether the allegations had any merit.
So people were cautious and trending a bit against Chugga, but then the Lawly documents dropped, and I think that's when most of the audible Internet turned against him.
But it was weird. I actually took the time to read through the logs, and I came to a very similar conclusion. Yes, Chugga should have shut it down long before it got to this point, but the majority of the raunchy stuff came from Lawly. Although Chugga has the responsibility, Lawly is far from innocent just in her own document. As you pointed out, the documents are from the 2010s, which had a very different sense of humour and edginess.
It was after reading her document that I started to feel very odd about the whole situation. How come no one else could see what I thought was plainly obvious? It was cringe ERP that shouldn't have taken place but was emblematic of the edgy side of the 2010-era internet. Not great but nothing to cancel anyone over.
It was in that time that Byrne and TheAstralAlchemist started to collaborate with Tim (NCS) about the whole situation. From that point on, it was watching for the Chugga document that would inevitably drop. And when it did drop, it was like the proverbial scales from most peoples' eyes, and they could see what was patently obvious with most of the allegations. These were issues that should have been handled (and quite honestly were handled) privately.
The biggest bomb shell, that Chugga and Masae were engaged, completely flipped her allegations on their head. So it was very, very interesting to see many vocal parts of RUclips flip the script and even apologize for jumping to conclusions. I was quite happy to see that the broader opinion changed in favour of Chugga.
This might actually be one of your best vids yet. I've already come back to it several times, probably because it hits really close to home for me.
I hope Emily never experiences the horrors that is sexual violence.
I went through 5 years of SH and felt this whole situation especially with Emily was harmful to survivors and victims. The fact she was given the OPTION to opt out. What I would've done to get the option to say no and that would've been it. Supporting Emily I feel is a fuck you to survivors. That this kind of violence has been dwindled to "This man unintentionally made me uncomfortable. Lock him up."
Man, biggest thing to take only being 10min in is "if you dont like how a conversation is going with someone be upfront and let them know"
What's even more funny is that this conversation DID happen in private (Chuggaa and Lady Emily) and Emily STILL decided to go public with it cuz why tf not 🤦
Started watching before work, apparently it got flagged while I was at work, and the repost comes out 5 minutes before I come home. Incredible
Attempting to remake my comment from the original: *15 and 19 are ages that could go to the same high school.* Turning 18 doesn't make the age gap suddenly evil. This is just "freshman dating senior" territory.
Yeah but it’s just weird not illegal. No one likes the senior who dates freshmen
@@CloverKyng I was in high school in the early 2000's. Senior (especially boys) dating freshmen (especially females) was extremely common.
The only people who took offense to it were the senior females. Funny that. Prophetic, almost.
@@user-tb8uo9lt2x It's crazy when I was in 9th grade back in 2011, I knew about a freshman dating a senior and no one really cared. Times have really changed.