Watching him play Guns of Icarus was painful as well. I don't know if it was intentional but he came off as an absolute fool and kinda came off as a bandwagoner; everyone else was doing it because it was "The fashion of the time" so he did it too. Hilariously enough, his videos could be used as a good case study about "How not to behave as a streamer or online personality" as all he does is appeal to people with very low attention spans which doesn't make money for you but for youtube. If you wanna make the money roll then sell shirts and mugs.
@@shroomer8294 I was about to say that 😂 Idk if it's the best YT apology video but it probably is the best NormalBoots apology video which is kind of sad to think about.
and youtube doesn't recommend him as much to me so how am I supposed to see my favorite youtuber named after a deliciously smooth spread and he doesn't even like the spread?! For Shame
@@ma.2089 actually his name was Jeff. He still plays stuff on twitch tho so that’s nice. Also, PBG became a dad very recently, he’s got a little girl. Which is crazy to think about!
What sucks about the whole "no comments section" policy for Kids content is that basically all retro content like 90s Cartoon Network clips, old cereal commercials, etc., lost a treasure trove of discussion and reminiscing by fans... literal decade+ of probably billions comments erased from existence. Even though RUclips has their "RUclips Kids" app and could have just as easily made the main RUclips platform "13+ Only" like Tiktok, Snapchat, etc. to dodge COPPA.
RUclips is and always was an 13+ only site. The issue was that RUclips was wanted the piece of the younger audience market, didn't bother to create a better algorithm for it, and didn't care about the consequences until it blowed up in their faces.
The most ridiculous part is when Tom and Jerry cartoons from like the fucking 40s get disabled like that. The kids who *originally* grew up with that are fucking dead or grandparents by now lol.
@@gamerguy425 Tbf Cartoon Network and Boomerang have aired a lot of Tom and Jerry reruns for decades. Those old shorts have pretty much been in the public conscious for all age groups more than any other longstanding cartoon IP.
Referring to DYKG as a "content farm" feels like a very backhanded insult. They've contributed a lot to Video Game history and preservation. Heck, just last year they helped uncovered a lost Pokemon webgame and shared it with everyone.
And? They learned to make bag by playing the RUclips game. If that enables them to continue the contributions they've made, that's fine by me@@DragoonCenten
They've only been doing the investigative journalism stuff the past few years. For the better part of their existence, they just regurgitated info from fan wikis and trivia websites, oftentimes not even verifying if the info was even correct or not.
@@GANONdork123 I think this is a great point and explains why their reputation is pretty polarized. Though, I think considering this is a modern retrospective video, it really showed a lack of understanding or research to dismiss the past 4 years of the channel.
You forgot to mention that Jirard made his Best Buy the greatest Best Buy in the entire universe because he stole a Mario statue from a GameStop and watched G4
Okay smart arse, you think it's a coincidence that J-Bird heroically storms out of Best Buy stomping his feet and a few short years later they are struggling to stay open. Explain that without referring to modernized shopping methods mixed with a diminished economy. 😎
In college, I stole Thor's hammer from a Bestbuy. It was this GIANT (over 8 ft tall) cardboard hammer attached to a base.. I think it was for a movie promotion type thing. Anyway finals had just ended, we had just smoked a blunt, and we were walking home from the movie theater _(Your Highness,_ I think. Terrible movie lol) when we saw the giant hammer. My buddy Richie said "I NEED THAT" and without a word, we ran up, ripped it out of the cardboard base, and ran 3 miles back to the dorm hauling a giant hammer. I'm sure we looked real dumb. When we finally got to the dorm, we realized that it was too big to fit through the doors, but the cool maintenance guy let us use the big garage-type door in the back (super kind dude, hope he's doing well). We used it for a coffee table for a few weeks, but it took up too much space. We decided to cut it up and create cardboard knight's armor and weapons out of it, and then held a "jousting tournament" on the quad. It was.... precisely as cringe as that sounds, but I'll have you know that everyone _DID_ clap. Didn't think anyone was watching us, but after being slain you could hear people cheering out of all the windows overlooking the area. My buddy even got to do the classic "are you not entertained?!" thing, it was cool 🤗 (I have a video of the jousting somewhere, I gotta find that)
You can tell this was researched but got maybe like 80% of the way there, where the last 20% were probably details not crucial to the video's narrative, but still stick out on their own. Like no, Did You Know Gaming was never intended to be a "content farm". That's just parroting terms that only came into use in the past year. The one thing I can give is that you're not making anything up, but you should possibly keep a cite of sources on hand to refer to when writing. It's not just about proving yourself, it's also about keeping track of what you're saying.
Correction: Jared was the only Normal Boots member to work at ScrewAttack. PBG and Jon were fans and posted their videos as community members. PBG made some minor guest roles, but neither were ever a part of ScrewAttack. Jirard got his videos promoted by ScrewAttack, but also was never hired.
4:15 i want to clarify this game was primarily developed by PBG’s wife, which is why it was sanctioned and allowed to be funded and voiced by the Normal Boots guys
I love how these stories range from: "He then went on a massive political rant on live stream and committed charity fraud" to "He gets fewer views I guess, but he seems alright." Edit: I'm proud to be the creator of an Internet debate. Unintentionally, for the record.
I don’t watch PBG anymore because he had a baby but definitely the tamest out of all the controversies that came from the other members. The worst thing he did in the public’s eyes was when he asked people not to be so hasty with accusing Jared when all the allegations came to light.
@@doctorslept They only began to be taken down right after the whole debacle started. And even then, from what the videos seems to say, it was consentual stuff until Jared's wife had issues with it. Granted this is coming out of Jared's mouth but still.
@@AtrocityEquine01 Not just Jared's mouth. Heidi released a bunch of texts she thought were damaging to Holly between her and her therapist, her and Holly, and her and Jared that backed up that she was fine with the relationship and also had an emotional affair herself going on at the same time, making her a hypocrite. They also did appear to paint her as emotionally manipulative and abusive, just like Jared and PBG alleged, including her threatening unaliving to try to keep Jared in the relationship.
Small correction: PBG and JonTron didn't work for ScrewAttack. They were users in the ScrewAttack community, and they uploaded to the community section.
I thought that was off. I would watch Screwattack as their videos came out and didn't remember them ever appearing outside maybe the Mario Party After Dark streams. I'm pretty sure only ProJared was from that company
@@DrawciaGleam02 I didn't find anything regarding greg but I stop watching a bit after Gred left because the channel changed focus to money maker mode and even stopped talking about completing and did normal reviews so the content is more marketable. I hate Jirad
Actually they have been doing some quite good journalistic content, with interviews with people who worked in some cancelled games production and development. That's how they have coming up with good stuff outside Wikipedia content.
It's a way to say that at first they were, as the video says, a content farm, they weren't doing anything special. It's now that they are actually makinggood stuff. @@BasedAnarchist
@@BasedAnarchist they used to just gather facts around forums and such and just read them out loud, they were mocked often for sharing stuff that was already well known and pretending it was worthwhile content, they took the feedback to hearth and is the reason nowadays they try to uncover more obscure and worthwile gaming information, as propper journalism, to really give you gaming info of something that you truly don't know. Unfortunately many people are not aware of this and still assume DYNG is just fodder content
That debate with JonTron and Destiny was probably one of the most legendary RUclips moments because Jon was on top of the world and basically just offered his career up to be slaughtered. I have no clue what Jon was thinking, I have no clue how he thought "Goofy Internet Game Guy vs. Guy Who Debates for a Living" could have gone well for him.
It's been a few years so my memory is hazy on the details. From what I remember is that after he recklessly agreed to the debate he had to sit around in the background waiting for Destiny to finish a game stream and started to drink to take the edge off, which turned out to be a massive mistake, besides just being extremely unprepared for a live debate. I can't read his mind for why he wanted to debate Destiny in the first place, but he has a reputation for being hard but fair on his debate partners. Maybe he thought he could just shoot from the hip, try to make his points and that'd be that. When he got started to be put through the wringer the lack of preparation together with the alcohol led him to grasp for straws, eventually leading to the now infamous crime quote. He joined another stream as a sort of post-mortem where he explained why he made such mistakes, got corrected on where his arguments went wrong and apologized for that comment. It wasn't on his own channel though so unfortunately a lot of his regular audience never saw it.
The decline of normal boots is like what would happen if Doug Walker left channel awesome, without that key figure at the helm to act as a draw, you're left in a permanent decline. Normal boots was just too late to the party, coming around at a time where copyright started to be much more forgiving (and it always was way more forgiving for games than it was movies anyway) and more people were able to get their start on youtube, not needing alternative sites for hosting videos. Another key aspect is the rise of patreon, with less reliance on ad revenue to make a living, creators could even face a video being demonetized and still profit thanks to fan donations.
I still watch The Continue? boys. Always seem so low profile and straight forward. No bad sketches: just some awkward Dad Dudes playin' games. Wish they got more views.
I’m a big ole Normal Boots fan, Asagao Academy was technically fan-made but one of those fans was Austin’s (PBG) wife. She was also a fan prior to meeting Austin while he was still a smaller creator. She sent him an email and he was interested. Sounds like a recipe for disaster these days, but it was still early days like EARLY days so I mean their continuing marriage and growing family is probably a testament that their relationship is going strong. Asagao was created well after they were already married, and Austin was very open about how this was a passion project for his wife and her game developer partner. They released it for free download and it was a really well made game, all things considered. It’s a bit cringe looking back on some of the things some of the guys did since then for sure but I was always a Continue? girl more than anything so I still have fond mems. Edit note: projared’s Asagao character was obsessed with himself which is kind of hilarious looking back
@@SaiyaSounds WAIT ACTUALLY ommmmggggg I could not begin to tell you how many hours I spent playing all the endings just to see all the beautiful art and see all the clever bits it really was a well made game, and I wouldn’t have been able to play it if it wasn’t freely available to be quite honest
I like how much you sanatized what he said into just the consequences. "People on the left wanted to cancel him" What did he say about black people and gene pool tho to make that happen?
You missed talking about the Normal Boots RUclips channel that for some strange reason is run by The Completionist and his brother. Yes that brother from the charity.
It is hard to listen to a long video like this when the narrator sounds bored or half-asleep, like they actively don't care about what they're reading.
I don't think it's very intellectually honest to be as vague as this video is on the Jontron controversy. It is technically true that he was defending that senator's comments on immigration but what is left out is what exactly he said. The claim that got Jontron in trouble was that he thought immigration was going to lead to white people being made a minority in the US. This claim is laughably untrue but the integrity of it isn't really the point. It's a dogwhistle. It is meant to make the idea that immigrants are invaders look acceptable enough to spread to paranoid white people. Now, on some level I do agree that he was and is just someone who heard some very dumb ideas online but that doesn't make what he said and the ideas implicit in it any less horrible.
-he thought immigration was going to lead to white people being made a minority in the US I mean that is true though. There are already places in US where whites are minority and with how much mexicans make babies compared to whites it is gonna happen eventually.
yeah... even those of us who have huge issues with how immigration is being mishandled don't go nearly that fucking far into the weeds lol locking down unchecked immigration until the day when the US can actually support it's own people, nevermind others? cool locking down unchecked immigration because the "white race" is going to be ethnically replaced? i dunno chief, that's a lil whack 😂
Why *woudln't* immigration lead to whites becoming a minority? I generally hear it said that that's not a bad thing, or that we deserve it or something, not that it's not going to happen. The white percentage *has* gone way down, due to immigration. Are you thinking it's going to go back up or something?
I watched so much Normal Boots content back in the day that when I heard that iconic intro, I instantly forgot what I was watching and started to relax.
I wish you would have addressed what Jon actually said in the Destiny interview instead of dancing around it and making it just seem like he said a lukewarm take that SJW’s shit their pants over. He used Great Replacement talking points and other horribly racist sentiments. He said immigrants and interracial couples were tainting the white race majority of the USA, which was bonkers coming from someone whose parents are middle eastern immigrants.
I still think the way the internet did ProJared was complete and utter bullshit. Dude didn’t deserve all of the hate that he got. His ex was obviously abusive and manipulative, the two accusers were just clout chasing and by the time Jared set the record straight the internet moved on and basically stopped caring. Do I think it was a bad idea that Jared had sex chats with fans/randos? Yeah, definitely. But it wasn’t worth the witch hunt that he endured.
Interesting that you describe jon's statement as "controversial statements" and not quoting him openly espousing white supremacy. Like he straight up said he believes that the richest black people will commit more crimes than the poorest white people. Sooo uhh. Interesting you don't quote the man himself and then add an interview where you ask if he was unfairly targeted by left-leaning people. It's just an odd way to explain the situation, I understand you might not want to stoke arguments in the comments or might not have actually watched the livestream or read his article in Breitbart. The way you describe Jons controversy seems to give a lot of grace to a man who said that wanting a majority white country wasn't racist. Like... dude straight up argued for an ethnostate lol. And his apology for it was pathetic! So we can't even say that he just mispoke and recanted all of that.
If you looked at his background during interview with Destiny. You will understand what leaning this guy had. His language also indicates some bias to his question. To his credit, he tried his 'best' to make it sound apolitical as possible but it just wont work to those that looked close enough.
Agreed. It was immensely cringe hearing this kid frame it like, Welllll yeah he said some controversial opinions, but just look at how hard the leftists tried to cancel him! Like bro, he straight up said some heinous, nazi-adjacent bullshit. It should have totalled his career.
@@Jepze158"it's his opinion bro" Opinions apply to pizza toppings and video games, not racism. Racism has no part in a just society and should not be tolerated by any means. Claiming it's a "different opinion", Fuck outta here
Can we talk about how off this video seems. He refers to Jontron's controvery as "making political statement", when it's pretty clear that is wasn't the fact that he was making a statment at all that was the problem, it was the statement itself. He calls DYKG a content farm which just seems really out of line. He doesn't even mention Satchbag, Proton Jon, or Lady Pelvic despite being a part of Normal Boots.
Also don't love that it perpetuates the narrative that the n*de pics were the only thing ProJared was accused of and that because he "had the receipts" for that single accusation, he's been absolved of everything else. Like, he still very much did solicit photos from fans via a Tumblr blog, which is still scummy even if it's not illegal. Afaik the stuff about him being with Holly while she was still with Ross was true, whether or not Jared and his wife were in an open relationship (and even then, open relationships need to be consensual for all parties). The vid kind of does the same thing with Jon too even though years after the initial incident, Jon was still posting thinly-veiled dogwhistles on twitter (honestly couldn't tell you if there's been anything more recent but it wouldn't shock me if he keeps doubling down)
@@Flameclaw123Yeah I was hoping that this video would dig into what JonTron was actually saying and why it was a problem and instead we're made to think that JonTron is just a little uwu baby who didn't know any better. I'm really disappointed.
Yeah... This video feels like the guy only had a surface level understanding of the normal boots crew, and it honestly feels like he's just reading off a Wikipedia article in some places.
It's kinda messed up to call what he did "expressing political opinions"... if you're going to cover this stuff don't so obviously fence sit to try and appease your viewers. He said black people were more likely to be criminals because of their blackness and not because of any socio-economic or circumstantial reasons even saying rich blacks would commit more crime than poor whites. His sources were far far far right, not normal right. The politician's statement that made Destiny talk to him about was: "We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies" something his fellow Republicans condemned as supporting white nationalism. Jon constantly defended the idea that there was coming an "end of white populations" and “If they [non-whites] assimilated, they would enter the gene pool, eventually.” Either talk about a subject you bring up or don't make a video on the topic. It just makes you look bad to people on all political sides. Avoiding politics when talking about politics still = politics.
The 2014 crime stat JonTron brought up showed blacks with income in the upper brackets committing more violent crime per capita than poorer whites It directly refuted the "socio economic factors" argument
Nah, when you report something, you simply say what happened. Keep opinions out of it. That's like, story reporting for dummies. It's elementary even. You got a problem, make a tweet or make your own video or something.
@@DragoonCenten Yes... exactly. You say what happened. This video didn't do that. Story reporting for dummies is about covering the subject as well as the context under a thesis. This video skirted around some of the most important aspects of the context surrounding Jon and his story. Like Destiny said I don't wanna cancel Jon or even hate on him however if you're covering the downfall of Normal Boots and don't go into detail about what Jon did or even all that much about what the rest of them did that was controversial it feels more like pandering and clickbaiting (something which is all too much an issue both on the left and the right in modern reporting). I made this comment not because I want to make a video on this topic. Other people have, and done a much better job. I made this comment as constructive criticism. Harsh criticism, but good faith none the less.
I was so worried that there was dirt on PBG. I've been a long time subcriber since around the first round of Normal Boots. Still watch and enjoy his content. I would have been devastated if something was wrong with him.
Good video. My one critique is that the JonTron controversy segment made it seem like he said an opinion some didn't like so there was an attempt to cancel him. He wasn't spouting some run-of-the-mill opinion, though; he was using the same kind of rhetoric used by white nationalists and other bigots. It's one of the reasons why I stopped watching him back in the day.
Okay I get where you're coming from and I do agree that it's dumb how often genuine racists use it as a talking point, but it's still a statistical fact, and when people pass off statistics as hearsay, you wind up with regression instead of progression.
@@user-wj6jh1cd5nI mean for one when he said “look at the statistics” he *was* talking out of his ass. We know this because when he was asked, he couldn’t seem to figure out where the statistics he made up came from. He also made it pretty clear without actually saying it that he believes black people are genetically predisposed to crime regardless of their financial status. Poor white people commit more crimes than rich black people, that is a real statistic from the study he was half remembering. But he disagreed with this statistic, what I’m saying is that he’s racist, like just plain text, he wants an ethnostate
Yeah it felt pretty backhanded. They still sell out their live shows across the world. Despite the capitalistic views that drive RUclips these days, you can have a good following and a steady flow of views that just doesn't see a huge amount of constant growth without being a flop or on the decline.
Yeah I didn't understand that part at all. They actually look into the games they're playing now, they finish a lot of games, their videos are longer, merch and performances are selling great, they've got their second channel The Grumps which is really funny and Dan is a much better counterpart to Arin than how JonTron was just Arin 2. The golden age of Game Grumps is now, and hopefully until the end of time.
It really makes me think about something Harley from Epic Meal Time said like 5 years ago. He was talking about his video's views compared to now (at the time, like 2019) vs their heyday of 2010ish, where they got like 10x the views. He was like, "Yeah we don't have as many views, but we've got name recognition, we've got merchandise, we've got brand deals. EMT has never been better financially than right now." Or some shit like that, I'm paraphrasing a lot.
@@CiaphasKirby Today I learned Epic Meal Time was still a thing into the late 2010s. Is... is still a thing now? How does a channel just about eating lots of bacon go that far? I need to go check this out. edit: Oh my fucking god, not only are they still active, they're posting weekly, with podcasts. Wh... what? Cool, I guess?
I think it's just the uploader unable to separate his personal bias from the facts. Honestly that and a few other things really made me not take this video very seriously. What is up with these garbage take retrospective videos lately? I've seen at least 5 in the last few months that all have really misinformed takes on 2010's RUclips era. The quality of the scripts show they don't do their research and a ton of personal bias gets ham-fisted in, it feels akin to a "body language expert" video.
Look the outrage against Jon I feel was justified. He doubled down multiple times on "preserving the white race" and went on unprompted tirades about "wealthy blacks committing more crimes than wealthy whites," and some of the anti immigration stuff he agreed with was hugely hypocritical given the fact that he has an immigrant background. It wasn't just him getting caught in a "debate bro trap" either, cause his follow-up video where he seemingly defends himself is where he said the "preserve the white race" comment. Now he didn't deserve to get harassed, nobody does. But him getting canned from the Rare game is within their right, and people being upset at him from stuff he seemingly hasn't really backpedaled I feel is fair. At least, some of the shit he posted on Twitter during the peak of the pandemic would indicate that.
Being critical of immigration as a second or third immigrant is not hypocritical, it's ironic but not exactly hypocritical. Sociopolitical problems are sensitive to time and are subject to it very differently, what wasn't a problem maybe 50 years ago may be a problem now.
@@Ranchor489 Sure, but you can criticize immigration without being racist or xenophobic, and JonTron didn't exactly do that. Criticizing immigration as an immigrant isn't within itself hypocritical, yes, but the way Jon did it, I feel, was.
My friend, My guy, my compadre, did I just hear you call DYKG a ~content farm~? I understand if that's what it looks like from a cursory glance, especially at the beginning, however I would love to let you know that channel is dedicated to GAMING HISTORY and proper JOURNALISM (although not the revealing conspiracy kind, more like uncovering lost documentation). I understand that this isn't really what the video is about, but the people on that channel put a HUGE amount of passion and effort into what they do. And I feel dismissing them as a simple "content farm" is very reductive to the good work they've done for gaming history and preservation as a whole.
Dude what..? Calling DYKG a content "farm" is fucking wild. Considering they translate Japanese magazines that never reached the west, conduct interviews with important figures that provide a lot of previously unknown details, and often uncover a lot of things themselves. It's just insanely disrespectful.
*Normal boots logo comes on "Oh yeah i used to watch a lot of Jontron. Wait I still watch a lot of Jontron. Wait I only clicked this video because I thought it was Jontron's bi annual video release." I'm 6 seconds in and youve already taken me for a wild ride.
Well technically Normal Boots did fail because no one is affiliated with the brand anymore. Everyone is doing their own thing without being associated with the Normal Boots brand.
I remember finding Jon in his early days, and I was addicted to his videos while on vacation. It was at a time when he would only get 10s of thousands of views, and his latest video released when I subbed was his Space Ace video. I was subbed to him since then, but I kinda skipped his videos when he stopped doing videogames. But I eventually watched his newer stuff and it's pretty entertaining. I still miss his gaming content though.
Most big collaborative groups died out, and seperate from any controversy. Its just out of date. That Guy with the Glasses (Channel Awesome) fell off way before any bog news. Remember Hidden Block? I barely do. What was Screw Attack? Avgn and people that have long gone been forgotten? Normal Boots was already dead. Maybe disgraced is it's unique distinction from the rest, but its sucess and lack thereof is no different from any other as I see it.
It is sad to see how Jared jumped to protect Jirard by doing exactly what was done to him (not researching, jumping into a bandwagon, spreading misinformation, etc.) and when the full call between Muta, Karl, and Jirard was published, one could hear how Jirard threw JonTron and ProJared under the bus.
What people dont remember The tweet was deleted almost immediately Trying to defend your friend of many years shouldnt be seen as shameful Jirard didnt throw them under the bus. He used them as examples of cancellation
@@Sweetrad No, he used them as examples of having a track record of bad association as Jirard himself put it of how he will receive new lack of business trust when the charity fraud goes public.
@@Flash9230 we watched 2 separate videos then. cuz how i heard it, he was using them as examples of how cancelling will ruin you and nobody will listen
The video was okay, but there are a few inaccuracies. Even really basic ones, like why Normal Boots is called that (reference to Zelda games, particularly Ocarina of Time). Also, there are a lot of opinions stated as fact (i.e. "their glory days are over") and be careful about describing another channel as a "content farm." That has pretty negative connotations, and are usually reserved for channels putting out a deluge of low-effort content. It sounded like you were taking shots at them, or it even sounds like you have a personal beef with them?
It’s.. pretty wild to describe JonTron the way you did given how he’s been pretty open and adamant about being a racist, lest we all forget the early days of the game grumps when both he and Arin said the N word many, many times in playthroughs that have been taken down. 😅 Like, I’m all for giving someone a chance to learn, but JonTron’s downfall is definitely because he turned out to have pretty shitty views which hurt a lot of peoples’ opinions on him. :(
I feel like not mentioning some of the stuff Jon said like "wealthy Blacks commit more crimes than poor whites", and Mexicans were immigrating to reclaim US land for Mexico just calling it "political talk" that got him cancelled is doing a pretty big disservice to the story.
@@________________6325 Destiny tried to defend CP, some stupid bs about if it was legal it was ok. Not even lying look up the debate, its mind blowing how he even thought that was a good idea.
Kinda silly you don’t even mention the absolutely unhinged and incredibly racist things JonTron actually said. You simply gloss over it all as “political” he literally said shit about wealthy black people doing more crime than poor white people. He also got really mad when destiny pointed out he isn’t technically white. I get it this stuff happened a long time ago but to my knowledge the guy has never apologized about it in any specifics and simply has pretended it didn’t happen.
Oh shut up. He wasnt racist. He only used statistics on google and didnt think it through. He isnt racist, he's an idiot. He even explained this, and understood hoe it came off that way.
@@aaronlaughter6471 What's wrong with that? Canadian Pacific was a pretty cool railroad. (/j, /j, I swear.) Jokes aside, when did he do that? For context, I've never watched a single Destiny stream in my life and pretty much all my knowledge of the guy comes from what Turkey Tom has said about him, but I've never heard of that before.
@@Joe-ym5wbwe can clearly watch the clip, Hasan is a weirdo but Destiny is just a bad dude. You can only say crappy things so many times before people realize it's what you actually believe.
Interesting, that you just leave out what Jon actually said. Renaud Camus would've been proud of him. I really like Jon and still watch him, but holy, you can't just say shit like this and expect people to accept it.
Calling Did You Know Gaming a content farm is either ignorant at best, or just proving you don't know what a content farm is. The amount of detailed investigative work, going through many decades old physical publications and having them translated from other languages, interviews with developers of old games, finding unpublished and unreleased information, leading to the preservation of video game history... They are an astounding channel doing real work. They don't deserve to be denigrated by being referred to as a content farm.
I feel like summarizing Did You Know Gaming as a content farm is pretty uncharitable. They've been doing a ton of original reporting and investigating lately, putting up the money to get old japanese gaming magazines translated to dig up obscure info on older games, interviewing developers who worked on older properties, digging up info on obscure cancelled games - it's a lot more involved than just getting chat GPT to regurgitate the Super Mario 64 wikipedia page lol
"divisive views" you mean racism. that's what you mean. jontron said untrue things that he assumed due to racist biases, and has since doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on those statements, at best only delivering insincere half-apologies without taking any real ownership for what he did. he has not shown any personal growth from this whatsoever. to beat around the bush here in order to save face for jontron is honestly pathetic.
Normal Boots back in the day was soo good I wasn't there in the beginning but I grew up watching Jontron, PeanutButterGamer,and Did You Know Gaming even The Completionist.(Before he was a fraud note I quit watching him when he joined G4TV which also burned) Nowadays Scott the Woz keeps it alive currently and most importantly he is good RUclipsr to and an inspiration 4 me to make Gaming Content.
Pete Best was kicked out of The Beatles - he didn’t leave willingly. The guys wanted Ringo Starr so they had their manager Brian Epstein fire him. And then yeah - right after that they got reaaaalllllly famous. Now the guy who did leave The Beatles was original bassist Stu Sutcliffe who stayed in Germany after the Beatles residency there and went back to art school. Okay… I’ll shut up now and watch the rest of your amazing video. I’ll subscribe as well - I dig the content.
Also they do a lot of their own reaserch and hire reaserch ears and translators. Especially for their Pokémon content they have found some infromation that was never known before or never had been translated to English. They have dispelled many rumors we have on stuff like Pokémon development and they translate interviews and post it on their websites.
I didn't even know Chadtronic was in Normal Boots. I watched him years and years ago when I was in middle school. He seems like a genuine guy. Good for him.
I'm glad that Continue is still going and upload consistently. It doesn't seem like they're in it for the money (as shown in their income from their content), but genuinely just enjoying what they do. And at the end of the day, that's all that matters.
10:15 "Most would agree [Game Grumps] glory days are over" the only people that say this stopped watchin in 2013. The channel has been growing since it began I find it hard to believe it was on the quality of just the period from July 2012 to June 2013. This is such a weird narrative like 99% of GG success came after Jon left. Let's Plays as a genre may not have the stranglehold they once did but it's silly to insist that the quality of Game Grumps peaked in 2012 with 2 guys rambling incoherently about Sonic 06
@@jamie1602 My point exactly like they've been around for 11 years after Jon left I'm pretty sure a sizable portion of their audience doesn't even know Dan wasn't the original co-host.
I'm one of those loyal Continue? fans that pays to their patreon. definitely have loved them for about a decade plus now. I also adore how you only used old footage of them because they definitely look like dads/uncles now lmao.
I watched JonTron's debate with Destiny live; it wasn't just that he was right-wing or anti-immigration. He openly defended those who advocate for the U.S. to be a white ethnostate, and multiple times would echo white supremacist rhetoric. Destiny would try multiple times to get him to elaborate (because he was implying very racist shit), and JonTron refused and deflected EVERY SINGLE TIME. You can watch the VOD - I'm not exaggerating in the slightest. I agree with Destiny that JonTron probably isn't racist and was echoing racist rhetoric without really understanding it. However, I think some of the backlash was warranted, and his response video was completely disingenuous; likely a ploy to downplay the controversy for those who didn't actually watch the "debate".
Im disappointed in how the transparency of these controversies are just brushed over. Jontron wasnt just in controversy for getting political, he advocated for xenophobic policies and was EXTREMELY devoted to his argument.
Like it seems like you dont wanna get into it because you talked to destiny and think it wasnt a big deal but that debate destroyed his credibility with a large portion of his audience that wasnt just for nothing and wasnt blown out of proportion because people didnt come back
Like its one thing to express the debate as like a 30 minute misunderstanding but its a 2 hour back and forth where jon actively says "the worst white people probably dont do as much crime as the best black people"
While Jon and Arin did have a brief reunion in the Star Wars Jontron episode, it's since been confirmed multiple times that the two are no longer friends. They haven't been friends for years at this point. Jon's alcohol problem and misogyny towards Arin's wife Suzy got too out of control so Arin cut ties. At least that's what I've been told.
Definitely a softball at JonTron. "oh, I guess he got cancelled for having conservative views" No, he was parroting talking points from neo-nazis and white supremacists. When Ethan from H3 invited him to talk about it, JonTron doubled down and said "Well, Wealthy Black people commit more crime than poor white people!" Like, Holy hell... Now, I do think he's genuinely regretful of those statements. There was a lot of disinformation campaigns on social media and it's very easy to just get caught up in the echo chamber of lies. Hell, recently, 1 in 5 Americans believe Taylor Swift is a government asset! But don't water down the heinous shit he said
Reducing everything about JonTron's "controversy" to just "oh he just talked about politics and that's divisive," when he literally said black people are predisposed to crime is absolutely insane and grossly misleading.
kind of dishonest to tip-toe around what JonTron actually said during that debate. it wasn't just something randos were nitpicking to try and "cancel" him for no reason; it was really, really racist.
@@flatP_ The reason he said that was because he pulled up a statistic on google without thinking about the bigger picture. He isnt racist, he is an idiot who was way too unprepared for that debate.
@@zekromfan1I don’t remember any of the specifics of the Destiny debate but I distinctly remember not long after it he got SUPER offended by “Get Out” (2017) for perceived race-baiting, and that he had some very strong opinions about the need to police black communities specifically.
10:15 The Game Grumps have been selling out shows on international tours as recently as 2023. To say their glory days are over is a complete farce. They've had two separate "golden eras" in the 11 years since Jon left the show.
Very thorough video. Interesting though that you neglected to mention the specifics of those Jon interviews, markedly the statement that black people are biologically more criminal than white people, and support of great replacement theory. I only speak for myself as a leftist of course, but political disagreement are not inherently a reason to dislike a creator for me. If I remember correctly PBG and I don’t share the same views in a variety of things, but I still have huge respect for him as a creator and person, and enjoy his content. If Jon just had conservative views on immigration policies that would be one thing, but he was outed as a blatant racist. Which was upsetting, Jon was one of my favourite creators at the time, but statements like he made were so far beyond the realm of acceptable. Racist conspiracy is absolutely a reason for people to be upset and to “cancel” somebody. Even after all of that though, he wasn’t really affected in the long term. He broke 5 and 6 million subs post racist comments. He was never one to post often, but even now when he does, he does very well. I do not think anyone treated him disproportionate to his comments. He was outed as a racist, people who care about that got angry and stopped supporting him, and he continued on to be wildly successful
"Canceled for being more political", that's some heavy-lifting you're doing to avoid saying what the problem was. It's almost like you're protecting a racist.
22:30 calling DYKG just a content farm devoid of any real content or value does them a huge disservice. Generally neither their titles, thumbnails, nor videos themselves are clickbaity, and they've dipped their toes into some serious investigative journalism here in the last few years; scoring top-tier interviews and helping to recover games, devices, art, and information once thought lost. It may have started out as ~just being bite-sized videos of gaming fun facts, but it's evolved into quite a bit more than that since.
yeah it's matured into a nice little investigative gaming channel, but even at its outset it was still a cut above other similar channels. weird take from this dude
Joey from Clan of the Gray Wolf is an IRL friend of mine. He said they were backed into a corner in joining Normal Boots. If they didn't, PBG said he'd bury their channel.
I'm so glad that PBG was the only member of normal boots I regularly watched growing up. The guy has a wife and a kid, no controversy, funny content, and just seems like an actual decent guy. I really hope this comment ages well...
The stuff that happened to pro Jared is absolutely disgusting. I love how the internet just forgets this kind of thing and then we're expected to just believe people at their word that something happened. False allegations can destroy somebody's life not just financially but emotionally and psychologically.
Not that it's right or wrong, but if you seek out and make a popular RUclips channel, you're opening yourself up to this. it's just part of internet reality.
@@MrFIRESEAL117Just stop. I'm not just talking about popular RUclipsrs. There are people who have had their entire lives ruined over false allegations.
It is crazy that Greg was originally hated for getting all those videos taken down, and now we understand why considering how bad things ended up. Really makes you wonder how bad things were between the two that Greg was worried something like this would happen.
Referring to JonTron as being “openly political” is an interesting way of saying JonTron “spewed white supremacist talking points and refused to denounce the misinformation he shared”
"You can just upload your videos to RUclips and run ads once you reach the monetisation requirements, which aren't super hard to meet" *Cries in a corner after running a channel for 4 and a half years and still not reaching monetisation*
What a mistake to call DYKG a "content farm". Because hour long dives into a game's history, procuring and holding interviews for basically each video themselves, and preserving content from dead studios or canned game deams it as a "content farm". I can see where that insult may have come from, with the compilation videos, but they've done what they've done, and continue to make original content.
Agreed, a "content mill" is a more accurate term. They were once great at gathering info, but they're now a shell of their former selves, like anyone else once affiliated with this group.
what do you mean you miss them lol, they're still around? probably the longest running consistent group on youtube considering it's still the same three dudes. they do it right.
21:04 Jirard donated $600k after being caught yes, but that is far less than what he raised. $50k was still in the account according to the tax filings at least. At worst I did the math myself and on average $30-40k a year isn't reported on their taxes. By now he has raised well over a million, and only donated the $600k.
I personally think that the Game Grumps have been doing pretty well. Most RUclipsrs that have a live show that they tour go through Arin's touring company. Plus the quality of Game Grumps content has, IMO, really started to come back in the past two years. They were at a pretty low point in quality somewhere around when the pandemic started (even before).
New documentary out about Spongebob Battle For Bikini Bottom speedrunner: SHiFT
ruclips.net/video/zT1oWyzjCts/видео.html
Okay
Can’t believe that you didn’t even mention the biggest scandal of PBG’s entire career: hating on MySims
Or that time he was playing Mario galaxy and he was low on health but just walked past a coin. He had to make an apology and everything.
PeakButterGamer
Watching him play Guns of Icarus was painful as well. I don't know if it was intentional but he came off as an absolute fool and kinda came off as a bandwagoner; everyone else was doing it because it was "The fashion of the time" so he did it too.
Hilariously enough, his videos could be used as a good case study about "How not to behave as a streamer or online personality" as all he does is appeal to people with very low attention spans which doesn't make money for you but for youtube. If you wanna make the money roll then sell shirts and mugs.
@@shroomer8294 I was about to say that 😂
Idk if it's the best YT apology video but it probably is the best NormalBoots apology video which is kind of sad to think about.
@@shroomer8294rent free in my head
There is footage of pbg admitting that he does not like peanut butter, think that should have been enough to ruin his credibility
and youtube doesn't recommend him as much to me so how am I supposed to see my favorite youtuber named after a deliciously smooth spread and he doesn't even like the spread?! For Shame
Bro is on fraud watch frfr
WHAT A SCANDAL! lol
Can't blame him for just taking a catchy easy to remember name.
He had a friend who was named after Jelly who no longer makes videos. It makes sense with what they originally wanted to do
@@ma.2089 actually his name was Jeff. He still plays stuff on twitch tho so that’s nice. Also, PBG became a dad very recently, he’s got a little girl. Which is crazy to think about!
Hearing "Arin from game grumps" made me accutely aware of the wrinkles developing on my face
Yea we are getting and it sucks
early 2000s Newgrounds ftw
Queue bursting into a pile of dust after hearing the question "what is a flash animation".
@@BiggRich95 we're getting so that we're words, apparently..
edit: (old, forgetting)
I still think of him as Egoraptor of Newgrounds, I am a dinosaur 😢
What sucks about the whole "no comments section" policy for Kids content is that basically all retro content like 90s Cartoon Network clips, old cereal commercials, etc., lost a treasure trove of discussion and reminiscing by fans... literal decade+ of probably billions comments erased from existence.
Even though RUclips has their "RUclips Kids" app and could have just as easily made the main RUclips platform "13+ Only" like Tiktok, Snapchat, etc. to dodge COPPA.
They would've lost the iPad baby market
RUclips is and always was an 13+ only site. The issue was that RUclips was wanted the piece of the younger audience market, didn't bother to create a better algorithm for it, and didn't care about the consequences until it blowed up in their faces.
The most ridiculous part is when Tom and Jerry cartoons from like the fucking 40s get disabled like that.
The kids who *originally* grew up with that are fucking dead or grandparents by now lol.
@@gamerguy425 Tbf Cartoon Network and Boomerang have aired a lot of Tom and Jerry reruns for decades. Those old shorts have pretty much been in the public conscious for all age groups more than any other longstanding cartoon IP.
the point was to stop creeps from commenting on videos of kids, actually.
Referring to DYKG as a "content farm" feels like a very backhanded insult.
They've contributed a lot to Video Game history and preservation. Heck, just last year they helped uncovered a lost Pokemon webgame and shared it with everyone.
They also recycle their content though, turn on a playlist and see how much of it is the same video over and over.
And? They learned to make bag by playing the RUclips game.
If that enables them to continue the contributions they've made, that's fine by me@@DragoonCenten
They've only been doing the investigative journalism stuff the past few years. For the better part of their existence, they just regurgitated info from fan wikis and trivia websites, oftentimes not even verifying if the info was even correct or not.
I was actually thinking this exact thing. It felt like something being said by someone who didn't actually research the channel.
@@GANONdork123 I think this is a great point and explains why their reputation is pretty polarized. Though, I think considering this is a modern retrospective video, it really showed a lack of understanding or research to dismiss the past 4 years of the channel.
You forgot to mention that Jirard made his Best Buy the greatest Best Buy in the entire universe because he stole a Mario statue from a GameStop and watched G4
How to lead Best Buy to victory over GameStop: lie, cheat, and steal, the new ideal!
I don't know if that's impressive or sad. Maybe a bit of both. Either way, wrong.
Okay smart arse, you think it's a coincidence that J-Bird heroically storms out of Best Buy stomping his feet and a few short years later they are struggling to stay open.
Explain that without referring to modernized shopping methods mixed with a diminished economy.
😎
In college, I stole Thor's hammer from a Bestbuy. It was this GIANT (over 8 ft tall) cardboard hammer attached to a base.. I think it was for a movie promotion type thing. Anyway finals had just ended, we had just smoked a blunt, and we were walking home from the movie theater _(Your Highness,_ I think. Terrible movie lol) when we saw the giant hammer. My buddy Richie said "I NEED THAT" and without a word, we ran up, ripped it out of the cardboard base, and ran 3 miles back to the dorm hauling a giant hammer. I'm sure we looked real dumb. When we finally got to the dorm, we realized that it was too big to fit through the doors, but the cool maintenance guy let us use the big garage-type door in the back (super kind dude, hope he's doing well). We used it for a coffee table for a few weeks, but it took up too much space. We decided to cut it up and create cardboard knight's armor and weapons out of it, and then held a "jousting tournament" on the quad. It was.... precisely as cringe as that sounds, but I'll have you know that everyone _DID_ clap. Didn't think anyone was watching us, but after being slain you could hear people cheering out of all the windows overlooking the area. My buddy even got to do the classic "are you not entertained?!" thing, it was cool 🤗
(I have a video of the jousting somewhere, I gotta find that)
@@autobotstarscream765The woolie way is relevant to this day
You can tell this was researched but got maybe like 80% of the way there, where the last 20% were probably details not crucial to the video's narrative, but still stick out on their own. Like no, Did You Know Gaming was never intended to be a "content farm". That's just parroting terms that only came into use in the past year.
The one thing I can give is that you're not making anything up, but you should possibly keep a cite of sources on hand to refer to when writing. It's not just about proving yourself, it's also about keeping track of what you're saying.
Correction: Jared was the only Normal Boots member to work at ScrewAttack. PBG and Jon were fans and posted their videos as community members. PBG made some minor guest roles, but neither were ever a part of ScrewAttack. Jirard got his videos promoted by ScrewAttack, but also was never hired.
Came here to say this too, but you articulated way better
Really? That's crazy
Yeah ScrewAttack did a lot of stuff with others, so it can be difficult to pinpoint which ones are actually part of ScrewAttack.
I forgot Jared worked at scewattack. Sad to think of what it is now.
@@Mcnutty924 it's dead, and it's only Death batte, which makes it really interesting since I have been watching them since 2013
4:15 i want to clarify this game was primarily developed by PBG’s wife, which is why it was sanctioned and allowed to be funded and voiced by the Normal Boots guys
I love how these stories range from:
"He then went on a massive political rant on live stream and committed charity fraud"
to
"He gets fewer views I guess, but he seems alright."
Edit: I'm proud to be the creator of an Internet debate. Unintentionally, for the record.
pbg chad perfectly content with playing with children's fast food toys and eating frozen pizza for a week
@@jivanhoyt6520 The only one of these people I watch sometimes anymore.
I don’t watch PBG anymore because he had a baby but definitely the tamest out of all the controversies that came from the other members. The worst thing he did in the public’s eyes was when he asked people not to be so hasty with accusing Jared when all the allegations came to light.
PBG was always my favourite of these guys, so it's nice to hear that things worked out okay for him.
AND HE WAS FUCKIN RIGHT@@sebp9882
The reason Game Grumps removed videos featuring Jared is because RubberRoss, who's regularly at Game Grumps was married to Holly Conrad.
Weren’t they publicly divorced for like half a year before all of the stuff happened with Jared tho?
@@doctorslept Holly and Ross split in September 2018 then Jared and Holly started their affair in October.
@@cuhleef Yeah but weren’t the videos taken down around the same time as the Projared controversy?
@@doctorslept They only began to be taken down right after the whole debacle started. And even then, from what the videos seems to say, it was consentual stuff until Jared's wife had issues with it. Granted this is coming out of Jared's mouth but still.
@@AtrocityEquine01 Not just Jared's mouth. Heidi released a bunch of texts she thought were damaging to Holly between her and her therapist, her and Holly, and her and Jared that backed up that she was fine with the relationship and also had an emotional affair herself going on at the same time, making her a hypocrite. They also did appear to paint her as emotionally manipulative and abusive, just like Jared and PBG alleged, including her threatening unaliving to try to keep Jared in the relationship.
Small correction: PBG and JonTron didn't work for ScrewAttack. They were users in the ScrewAttack community, and they uploaded to the community section.
I thought that was off. I would watch Screwattack as their videos came out and didn't remember them ever appearing outside maybe the Mario Party After Dark streams. I'm pretty sure only ProJared was from that company
Yeah, but he knew them because the ScrewAttack people in general interacted a lot with the community posters@@BasedAnarchist
You didn't mention that Jirad originally lied about Greg leaving saying they ended on good terms and were still friends.
Yep, and Greg recently came out and blew Jirad's claim to pieces!
he didn't mention the alternative jirad youtube completionist origin story either.
@@DrawciaGleam02 I didn't find anything regarding greg but I stop watching a bit after Gred left because the channel changed focus to money maker mode and even stopped talking about completing and did normal reviews so the content is more marketable. I hate Jirad
Greg WAS The Completionist. Everything went to sht when he left.
History smiles upon Greg.
DidYouKnowGaming has gotten pretty good recently, revealing some obscure things and doing some work, and not just reading wikipedia.
Actually they have been doing some quite good journalistic content, with interviews with people who worked in some cancelled games production and development. That's how they have coming up with good stuff outside Wikipedia content.
i've never seen them read off wikipedia. was that a thing? they always seem to go above and beyond
It's a way to say that at first they were, as the video says, a content farm, they weren't doing anything special. It's now that they are actually makinggood stuff. @@BasedAnarchist
@@BasedAnarchist they used to just gather facts around forums and such and just read them out loud, they were mocked often for sharing stuff that was already well known and pretending it was worthwhile content, they took the feedback to hearth and is the reason nowadays they try to uncover more obscure and worthwile gaming information, as propper journalism, to really give you gaming info of something that you truly don't know.
Unfortunately many people are not aware of this and still assume DYNG is just fodder content
@@BiggBossChanel To be fair they were doing that for years so they built up a reputation.
That debate with JonTron and Destiny was probably one of the most legendary RUclips moments because Jon was on top of the world and basically just offered his career up to be slaughtered.
I have no clue what Jon was thinking, I have no clue how he thought "Goofy Internet Game Guy vs. Guy Who Debates for a Living" could have gone well for him.
It's been a few years so my memory is hazy on the details. From what I remember is that after he recklessly agreed to the debate he had to sit around in the background waiting for Destiny to finish a game stream and started to drink to take the edge off, which turned out to be a massive mistake, besides just being extremely unprepared for a live debate.
I can't read his mind for why he wanted to debate Destiny in the first place, but he has a reputation for being hard but fair on his debate partners. Maybe he thought he could just shoot from the hip, try to make his points and that'd be that. When he got started to be put through the wringer the lack of preparation together with the alcohol led him to grasp for straws, eventually leading to the now infamous crime quote. He joined another stream as a sort of post-mortem where he explained why he made such mistakes, got corrected on where his arguments went wrong and apologized for that comment. It wasn't on his own channel though so unfortunately a lot of his regular audience never saw it.
He probably thought a whole lot more people agreed with his insane views than actually did. It's the only thing that makes sense to me.
He’s still here. You’re making it seem like his youtube career is dead.
Remember, the debate Destiny had after that one he advocated for US military intervention in Mexico to kill the cartel.
@@MDPToaster I don't think anyone is saying destiny is great, he was just a useful tool for dismantling people like jon tron
The decline of normal boots is like what would happen if Doug Walker left channel awesome, without that key figure at the helm to act as a draw, you're left in a permanent decline. Normal boots was just too late to the party, coming around at a time where copyright started to be much more forgiving (and it always was way more forgiving for games than it was movies anyway) and more people were able to get their start on youtube, not needing alternative sites for hosting videos. Another key aspect is the rise of patreon, with less reliance on ad revenue to make a living, creators could even face a video being demonetized and still profit thanks to fan donations.
Or James Rolf leaving screenwave
@@kenlee4356 Screenwave already killed Cinemassacre though, James didn't even have to leave
Nah, normalboots succeeded in the era it was created, it just ran its course and as the internet lndscape changed it became a relic of the past.
I mean Channel Awesome just had everyone but Doug leave, and then he had to bring back Nostalgia Critic to try and save the sinking ship.
Now, of course, we may be at a point where off-siting is valuable again, as YT becomes more restrictive and less lucrative.
22:45 I argue dykg is doing more for video game journalism than most others in the field. The effort to find new stuff is insane
I know Normal Boots for two things:
1. The intro that shows up on older videos at random
2. PBG Hardcore
That normal boots intro, though, is still kino
I still watch The Continue? boys. Always seem so low profile and straight forward. No bad sketches: just some awkward Dad Dudes playin' games. Wish they got more views.
I love them and their podcasts. Excellent content by funny guys
PBG single handedly carried them on his back. Half of the videos you on his channel have a “normal boots is back!” segment😭😭
true then again im biased towards PBG
I’m a big ole Normal Boots fan, Asagao Academy was technically fan-made but one of those fans was Austin’s (PBG) wife. She was also a fan prior to meeting Austin while he was still a smaller creator. She sent him an email and he was interested. Sounds like a recipe for disaster these days, but it was still early days like EARLY days so I mean their continuing marriage and growing family is probably a testament that their relationship is going strong. Asagao was created well after they were already married, and Austin was very open about how this was a passion project for his wife and her game developer partner. They released it for free download and it was a really well made game, all things considered. It’s a bit cringe looking back on some of the things some of the guys did since then for sure but I was always a Continue? girl more than anything so I still have fond mems.
Edit note: projared’s Asagao character was obsessed with himself which is kind of hilarious looking back
Asagao Academy.. a name I've not heard in a long time..
@@SaiyaSounds an odd little blip in time
@@greenbeansnthings I still have some fondness for it, though I have some bias, as that was the last major game I worked on.
@@SaiyaSounds WAIT ACTUALLY ommmmggggg I could not begin to tell you how many hours I spent playing all the endings just to see all the beautiful art and see all the clever bits it really was a well made game, and I wouldn’t have been able to play it if it wasn’t freely available to be quite honest
@@SaiyaSounds Asagao Academy walked so Dream Daddy could run
I like how much you sanatized what he said into just the consequences. "People on the left wanted to cancel him"
What did he say about black people and gene pool tho to make that happen?
exactly. this video is so garbage for that
thanks for making it so that i can drop out of this video three minutes in lol
It's nice to see that Peanut Butter Gamer is just keepin on keepin on
You missed talking about the Normal Boots RUclips channel that for some strange reason is run by The Completionist and his brother. Yes that brother from the charity.
I'm surprised Satchell Drakes wasn't mentioned.
Satchell was way ahead of everyone else on RUclips. I still don't see many videos with as much style or polish as his old videos.
Yeah, I remember his stuff feeling way more in depth and analytical compared to the others, I really liked it
Oh yea I forgot about him
Most people have forgotten about him as his videos were good, but posted so rarely. He's posted less than 50 videos in 11 years.
Satch was in another league but yeah, his pace was def punished by the way YT algo worked at the time.
It is hard to listen to a long video like this when the narrator sounds bored or half-asleep, like they actively don't care about what they're reading.
I don't think it's very intellectually honest to be as vague as this video is on the Jontron controversy. It is technically true that he was defending that senator's comments on immigration but what is left out is what exactly he said. The claim that got Jontron in trouble was that he thought immigration was going to lead to white people being made a minority in the US. This claim is laughably untrue but the integrity of it isn't really the point. It's a dogwhistle. It is meant to make the idea that immigrants are invaders look acceptable enough to spread to paranoid white people. Now, on some level I do agree that he was and is just someone who heard some very dumb ideas online but that doesn't make what he said and the ideas implicit in it any less horrible.
-he thought immigration was going to lead to white people being made a minority in the US
I mean that is true though. There are already places in US where whites are minority and with how much mexicans make babies compared to whites it is gonna happen eventually.
yeah... even those of us who have huge issues with how immigration is being mishandled don't go nearly that fucking far into the weeds lol
locking down unchecked immigration until the day when the US can actually support it's own people, nevermind others? cool
locking down unchecked immigration because the "white race" is going to be ethnically replaced? i dunno chief, that's a lil whack 😂
No bro come on bro you were supposed to gloss over that part so people can obey PC and pretend it's just "unpopular opinions" bro come on
@@Wayte13 PC?
Why *woudln't* immigration lead to whites becoming a minority? I generally hear it said that that's not a bad thing, or that we deserve it or something, not that it's not going to happen. The white percentage *has* gone way down, due to immigration. Are you thinking it's going to go back up or something?
apples and grapes
Carrots and peas?
Only real ones remember that video
A real classic
Sorry dude. You lucked out.
The number of times i watched that back in the day... lol. I really miss old Normal Boots sometimes.
@6:40 *NOT* infamous, famous. The Putt-Putt games where, and still are A++ games.
I always like the Jared receipts line.
No way I was just thinking “wouldn’t it be cool if there was a normal boots retrospective” awesome vid
I watched so much Normal Boots content back in the day that when I heard that iconic intro, I instantly forgot what I was watching and started to relax.
I wish you would have addressed what Jon actually said in the Destiny interview instead of dancing around it and making it just seem like he said a lukewarm take that SJW’s shit their pants over. He used Great Replacement talking points and other horribly racist sentiments. He said immigrants and interracial couples were tainting the white race majority of the USA, which was bonkers coming from someone whose parents are middle eastern immigrants.
You are certainly living up to a part of your name.
@@aaronlaughter6471 I certainly do 69 with your mom every night
@@aaronlaughter6471 I do be giving your mama meat on the regular
That's one of the things I really don't like about this video.
So, he said things that were objectively true?
I still think the way the internet did ProJared was complete and utter bullshit.
Dude didn’t deserve all of the hate that he got. His ex was obviously abusive and manipulative, the two accusers were just clout chasing and by the time Jared set the record straight the internet moved on and basically stopped caring.
Do I think it was a bad idea that Jared had sex chats with fans/randos? Yeah, definitely. But it wasn’t worth the witch hunt that he endured.
Interesting that you describe jon's statement as "controversial statements" and not quoting him openly espousing white supremacy. Like he straight up said he believes that the richest black people will commit more crimes than the poorest white people. Sooo uhh. Interesting you don't quote the man himself and then add an interview where you ask if he was unfairly targeted by left-leaning people. It's just an odd way to explain the situation, I understand you might not want to stoke arguments in the comments or might not have actually watched the livestream or read his article in Breitbart. The way you describe Jons controversy seems to give a lot of grace to a man who said that wanting a majority white country wasn't racist. Like... dude straight up argued for an ethnostate lol. And his apology for it was pathetic! So we can't even say that he just mispoke and recanted all of that.
If you looked at his background during interview with Destiny. You will understand what leaning this guy had. His language also indicates some bias to his question.
To his credit, he tried his 'best' to make it sound apolitical as possible but it just wont work to those that looked close enough.
Agreed. It was immensely cringe hearing this kid frame it like, Welllll yeah he said some controversial opinions, but just look at how hard the leftists tried to cancel him!
Like bro, he straight up said some heinous, nazi-adjacent bullshit. It should have totalled his career.
@@VideoGamer110 -It should have totalled his career
Why? It is his opinions and beliefs. He is far from the extreme part of white nationalists.
@@Jepze158"it's his opinion bro"
Opinions apply to pizza toppings and video games, not racism. Racism has no part in a just society and should not be tolerated by any means. Claiming it's a "different opinion", Fuck outta here
@@Jepze158 and still he said something totally on par with those extremist, so nah, fck that dude.
Can we talk about how off this video seems.
He refers to Jontron's controvery as "making political statement", when it's pretty clear that is wasn't the fact that he was making a statment at all that was the problem, it was the statement itself.
He calls DYKG a content farm which just seems really out of line.
He doesn't even mention Satchbag, Proton Jon, or Lady Pelvic despite being a part of Normal Boots.
Also don't love that it perpetuates the narrative that the n*de pics were the only thing ProJared was accused of and that because he "had the receipts" for that single accusation, he's been absolved of everything else. Like, he still very much did solicit photos from fans via a Tumblr blog, which is still scummy even if it's not illegal. Afaik the stuff about him being with Holly while she was still with Ross was true, whether or not Jared and his wife were in an open relationship (and even then, open relationships need to be consensual for all parties).
The vid kind of does the same thing with Jon too even though years after the initial incident, Jon was still posting thinly-veiled dogwhistles on twitter (honestly couldn't tell you if there's been anything more recent but it wouldn't shock me if he keeps doubling down)
@@Flameclaw123Yeah I was hoping that this video would dig into what JonTron was actually saying and why it was a problem and instead we're made to think that JonTron is just a little uwu baby who didn't know any better. I'm really disappointed.
Yeah... This video feels like the guy only had a surface level understanding of the normal boots crew, and it honestly feels like he's just reading off a Wikipedia article in some places.
@@Flameclaw123 -open relationships need to be consensual for all parties
They were and it was his wife that suggested them to being open.
It's kinda messed up to call what he did "expressing political opinions"... if you're going to cover this stuff don't so obviously fence sit to try and appease your viewers. He said black people were more likely to be criminals because of their blackness and not because of any socio-economic or circumstantial reasons even saying rich blacks would commit more crime than poor whites. His sources were far far far right, not normal right. The politician's statement that made Destiny talk to him about was: "We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies" something his fellow Republicans condemned as supporting white nationalism. Jon constantly defended the idea that there was coming an "end of white populations" and “If they [non-whites] assimilated, they would enter the gene pool, eventually.”
Either talk about a subject you bring up or don't make a video on the topic. It just makes you look bad to people on all political sides. Avoiding politics when talking about politics still = politics.
His sources was so far far far right it was the New York Times
The 2014 crime stat JonTron brought up showed blacks with income in the upper brackets committing more violent crime per capita than poorer whites
It directly refuted the "socio economic factors" argument
Nah, when you report something, you simply say what happened. Keep opinions out of it. That's like, story reporting for dummies. It's elementary even. You got a problem, make a tweet or make your own video or something.
@@DragoonCenten Yes... exactly. You say what happened. This video didn't do that. Story reporting for dummies is about covering the subject as well as the context under a thesis. This video skirted around some of the most important aspects of the context surrounding Jon and his story. Like Destiny said I don't wanna cancel Jon or even hate on him however if you're covering the downfall of Normal Boots and don't go into detail about what Jon did or even all that much about what the rest of them did that was controversial it feels more like pandering and clickbaiting (something which is all too much an issue both on the left and the right in modern reporting). I made this comment not because I want to make a video on this topic. Other people have, and done a much better job. I made this comment as constructive criticism. Harsh criticism, but good faith none the less.
@@thishandleistacken yeah I bet, have a good day
I was so worried that there was dirt on PBG. I've been a long time subcriber since around the first round of Normal Boots. Still watch and enjoy his content. I would have been devastated if something was wrong with him.
Good video. My one critique is that the JonTron controversy segment made it seem like he said an opinion some didn't like so there was an attempt to cancel him. He wasn't spouting some run-of-the-mill opinion, though; he was using the same kind of rhetoric used by white nationalists and other bigots. It's one of the reasons why I stopped watching him back in the day.
same, that really ripped the mask off. what an "i got mine fuck you" asshole.
Yeah this video was low-key burying the lede there without mentioned the "gene pool" racemixing comments
Okay I get where you're coming from and I do agree that it's dumb how often genuine racists use it as a talking point, but it's still a statistical fact, and when people pass off statistics as hearsay, you wind up with regression instead of progression.
@@user-wj6jh1cd5nI mean for one when he said “look at the statistics” he *was* talking out of his ass. We know this because when he was asked, he couldn’t seem to figure out where the statistics he made up came from. He also made it pretty clear without actually saying it that he believes black people are genetically predisposed to crime regardless of their financial status. Poor white people commit more crimes than rich black people, that is a real statistic from the study he was half remembering. But he disagreed with this statistic, what I’m saying is that he’s racist, like just plain text, he wants an ethnostate
@@user-wj6jh1cd5nbe careful, you're making too much sense by saying that, twitter users won't like that
“Game Grumps glory days are long over” is something that has been said since the beginning of Game Grumps 😂 they just had audio go viral on tiktok
Yeah it felt pretty backhanded. They still sell out their live shows across the world. Despite the capitalistic views that drive RUclips these days, you can have a good following and a steady flow of views that just doesn't see a huge amount of constant growth without being a flop or on the decline.
Yeah I didn't understand that part at all. They actually look into the games they're playing now, they finish a lot of games, their videos are longer, merch and performances are selling great, they've got their second channel The Grumps which is really funny and Dan is a much better counterpart to Arin than how JonTron was just Arin 2.
The golden age of Game Grumps is now, and hopefully until the end of time.
It really makes me think about something Harley from Epic Meal Time said like 5 years ago. He was talking about his video's views compared to now (at the time, like 2019) vs their heyday of 2010ish, where they got like 10x the views.
He was like, "Yeah we don't have as many views, but we've got name recognition, we've got merchandise, we've got brand deals. EMT has never been better financially than right now."
Or some shit like that, I'm paraphrasing a lot.
@@CiaphasKirby Today I learned Epic Meal Time was still a thing into the late 2010s. Is... is still a thing now? How does a channel just about eating lots of bacon go that far? I need to go check this out.
edit: Oh my fucking god, not only are they still active, they're posting weekly, with podcasts. Wh... what? Cool, I guess?
I think it's just the uploader unable to separate his personal bias from the facts. Honestly that and a few other things really made me not take this video very seriously.
What is up with these garbage take retrospective videos lately? I've seen at least 5 in the last few months that all have really misinformed takes on 2010's RUclips era. The quality of the scripts show they don't do their research and a ton of personal bias gets ham-fisted in, it feels akin to a "body language expert" video.
Look the outrage against Jon I feel was justified. He doubled down multiple times on "preserving the white race" and went on unprompted tirades about "wealthy blacks committing more crimes than wealthy whites," and some of the anti immigration stuff he agreed with was hugely hypocritical given the fact that he has an immigrant background. It wasn't just him getting caught in a "debate bro trap" either, cause his follow-up video where he seemingly defends himself is where he said the "preserve the white race" comment.
Now he didn't deserve to get harassed, nobody does. But him getting canned from the Rare game is within their right, and people being upset at him from stuff he seemingly hasn't really backpedaled I feel is fair. At least, some of the shit he posted on Twitter during the peak of the pandemic would indicate that.
Being critical of immigration as a second or third immigrant is not hypocritical, it's ironic but not exactly hypocritical. Sociopolitical problems are sensitive to time and are subject to it very differently, what wasn't a problem maybe 50 years ago may be a problem now.
@@Ranchor489 Sure, but you can criticize immigration without being racist or xenophobic, and JonTron didn't exactly do that. Criticizing immigration as an immigrant isn't within itself hypocritical, yes, but the way Jon did it, I feel, was.
My friend, My guy, my compadre, did I just hear you call DYKG a ~content farm~?
I understand if that's what it looks like from a cursory glance, especially at the beginning, however I would love to let you know that channel is dedicated to GAMING HISTORY and proper JOURNALISM (although not the revealing conspiracy kind, more like uncovering lost documentation).
I understand that this isn't really what the video is about, but the people on that channel put a HUGE amount of passion and effort into what they do. And I feel dismissing them as a simple "content farm" is very reductive to the good work they've done for gaming history and preservation as a whole.
realizing I know the full historys of everyone your talking about off the top of my head is really making my hair turn grey
Dude what..? Calling DYKG a content "farm" is fucking wild. Considering they translate Japanese magazines that never reached the west, conduct interviews with important figures that provide a lot of previously unknown details, and often uncover a lot of things themselves. It's just insanely disrespectful.
Lmao
@@anonymist-n8z thanks for your input
*Normal boots logo comes on
"Oh yeah i used to watch a lot of Jontron.
Wait I still watch a lot of Jontron.
Wait I only clicked this video because I thought it was Jontron's bi annual video release."
I'm 6 seconds in and youve already taken me for a wild ride.
bro me too haha i literally thought it was a jontron thumbnail, oh well might as well see what it's about.
Sometimes we get 3 videos a year if Jon forgets he has to make a video due to a sponsor's contract obligations.
Well technically Normal Boots did fail because no one is affiliated with the brand anymore. Everyone is doing their own thing without being associated with the Normal Boots brand.
If it's twice a year, is it really a lot?
@@LegendStormcrow depends how many he watches as reruns
I remember finding Jon in his early days, and I was addicted to his videos while on vacation. It was at a time when he would only get 10s of thousands of views, and his latest video released when I subbed was his Space Ace video.
I was subbed to him since then, but I kinda skipped his videos when he stopped doing videogames. But I eventually watched his newer stuff and it's pretty entertaining. I still miss his gaming content though.
Yeah I remember seeing him and thinking he's way funnier than AVGN and that's saying something
2 screen-scrolls of the top comments point out several points of misinformation in this video.
I think Peebz is the only one who never royally screwed up?
SSHHHHHH DON'T JINX HIM! 😠
i mean shane and the continue guys haven't done anything
Peebs had a kid. How dare he have sex.
Jon never "royally" screwed up. It's an over hyped nontroversy
@@sparxskywriter2589 But twitter say he bad man :(
no mention of satchell drakes?
Kinda salty tbh. He took off after the pro Jared drama. Stopped liking YT as a platform. My favorite member tbh
you mean Satchbags?
@TapDat52K stopped like YT? If I had watched his videos a long time ago, it seemed like my kind of guy.
@@GitsuneG he has a good vibe. But yeah, likes other mediums more currently. Not sure what he's up to since I don't use twitter
Most big collaborative groups died out, and seperate from any controversy. Its just out of date. That Guy with the Glasses (Channel Awesome) fell off way before any bog news. Remember Hidden Block? I barely do. What was Screw Attack? Avgn and people that have long gone been forgotten? Normal Boots was already dead. Maybe disgraced is it's unique distinction from the rest, but its sucess and lack thereof is no different from any other as I see it.
The only other group somewhat similar to that I can think of is team crafted and u probably know how that went down
Screwattack was extremely successful but then they were bought out by Rooster Teeth, an actual failing group.
AVGN has been forgotten?
The early to mid 2010s aka when youtubers stopped copying Avgn and nostalgia critic and decided to instead copy JonTron
It is sad to see how Jared jumped to protect Jirard by doing exactly what was done to him (not researching, jumping into a bandwagon, spreading misinformation, etc.) and when the full call between Muta, Karl, and Jirard was published, one could hear how Jirard threw JonTron and ProJared under the bus.
What people dont remember
The tweet was deleted almost immediately
Trying to defend your friend of many years shouldnt be seen as shameful
Jirard didnt throw them under the bus. He used them as examples of cancellation
@@Sweetrad No, he used them as examples of having a track record of bad association as Jirard himself put it of how he will receive new lack of business trust when the charity fraud goes public.
@@Flash9230 we watched 2 separate videos then. cuz how i heard it, he was using them as examples of how cancelling will ruin you and nobody will listen
The video was okay, but there are a few inaccuracies. Even really basic ones, like why Normal Boots is called that (reference to Zelda games, particularly Ocarina of Time). Also, there are a lot of opinions stated as fact (i.e. "their glory days are over") and be careful about describing another channel as a "content farm." That has pretty negative connotations, and are usually reserved for channels putting out a deluge of low-effort content. It sounded like you were taking shots at them, or it even sounds like you have a personal beef with them?
It’s.. pretty wild to describe JonTron the way you did given how he’s been pretty open and adamant about being a racist, lest we all forget the early days of the game grumps when both he and Arin said the N word many, many times in playthroughs that have been taken down. 😅
Like, I’m all for giving someone a chance to learn, but JonTron’s downfall is definitely because he turned out to have pretty shitty views which hurt a lot of peoples’ opinions on him. :(
I feel like not mentioning some of the stuff Jon said like "wealthy Blacks commit more crimes than poor whites", and Mexicans were immigrating to reclaim US land for Mexico just calling it "political talk" that got him cancelled is doing a pretty big disservice to the story.
I feel like not mentioning how Destiny tried to defend legal CP a hug disservice to the story.
@@aaronlaughter6471what do you mean legal cp? cp is not legal?
@________________6325 Destiny tried to defend CP being legal. Look it up man, it's fucked up
I agree, Artufex
@@________________6325 Destiny tried to defend CP, some stupid bs about if it was legal it was ok. Not even lying look up the debate, its mind blowing how he even thought that was a good idea.
Kinda silly you don’t even mention the absolutely unhinged and incredibly racist things JonTron actually said. You simply gloss over it all as “political” he literally said shit about wealthy black people doing more crime than poor white people. He also got really mad when destiny pointed out he isn’t technically white. I get it this stuff happened a long time ago but to my knowledge the guy has never apologized about it in any specifics and simply has pretended it didn’t happen.
Oh shut up. He wasnt racist. He only used statistics on google and didnt think it through. He isnt racist, he's an idiot.
He even explained this, and understood hoe it came off that way.
Being involved in any capacity with Destiny is always going to be a bad decision with net negative consequences.
I will always remember and vomit in my mouth when I remember he defended CP.
@@aaronlaughter6471 What's wrong with that? Canadian Pacific was a pretty cool railroad. (/j, /j, I swear.) Jokes aside, when did he do that? For context, I've never watched a single Destiny stream in my life and pretty much all my knowledge of the guy comes from what Turkey Tom has said about him, but I've never heard of that before.
@@TheEldritchHyena he never did that. it's a common lie spread by Hasan Piker viewers
@@Joe-ym5wbwe can clearly watch the clip, Hasan is a weirdo but Destiny is just a bad dude. You can only say crappy things so many times before people realize it's what you actually believe.
You can also just not be racist.
You missed Satchell Drake of Satchbag's Goods. He was from Normal Boots too.
Interesting, that you just leave out what Jon actually said. Renaud Camus would've been proud of him.
I really like Jon and still watch him, but holy, you can't just say shit like this and expect people to accept it.
Calling Did You Know Gaming a content farm is either ignorant at best, or just proving you don't know what a content farm is. The amount of detailed investigative work, going through many decades old physical publications and having them translated from other languages, interviews with developers of old games, finding unpublished and unreleased information, leading to the preservation of video game history... They are an astounding channel doing real work. They don't deserve to be denigrated by being referred to as a content farm.
I feel like summarizing Did You Know Gaming as a content farm is pretty uncharitable. They've been doing a ton of original reporting and investigating lately, putting up the money to get old japanese gaming magazines translated to dig up obscure info on older games, interviewing developers who worked on older properties, digging up info on obscure cancelled games - it's a lot more involved than just getting chat GPT to regurgitate the Super Mario 64 wikipedia page lol
"divisive views" you mean racism. that's what you mean. jontron said untrue things that he assumed due to racist biases, and has since doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on those statements, at best only delivering insincere half-apologies without taking any real ownership for what he did. he has not shown any personal growth from this whatsoever.
to beat around the bush here in order to save face for jontron is honestly pathetic.
I love poop people!
@@mmmapplesauce1673jontron fans are never beating the allegations
Normal Boots back in the day was soo good I wasn't there in the beginning but I grew up watching Jontron, PeanutButterGamer,and Did You Know Gaming even The Completionist.(Before he was a fraud note I quit watching him when he joined G4TV which also burned) Nowadays Scott the Woz keeps it alive currently and most importantly he is good RUclipsr to and an inspiration 4 me to make Gaming Content.
Scott the Woz is CIA
Scott is annoying.
@@Polychi1998 My comment saying that he is CIA was actually deleted. Fuck youtube, man. I swear I'm on to something here.
@foreignuser4203 maybe it was deleted because it was dumb
@@Polychi1998 high quality reporting from polly some numbers over here
Pete Best was kicked out of The Beatles - he didn’t leave willingly. The guys wanted Ringo Starr so they had their manager Brian Epstein fire him. And then yeah - right after that they got reaaaalllllly famous.
Now the guy who did leave The Beatles was original bassist Stu Sutcliffe who stayed in Germany after the Beatles residency there and went back to art school.
Okay… I’ll shut up now and watch the rest of your amazing video. I’ll subscribe as well - I dig the content.
Did you know gaming isnt a content farm since there focusing on more bigger scope videos
Also they do a lot of their own reaserch and hire reaserch ears and translators. Especially for their Pokémon content they have found some infromation that was never known before or never had been translated to English. They have dispelled many rumors we have on stuff like Pokémon development and they translate interviews and post it on their websites.
I didn't even know Chadtronic was in Normal Boots. I watched him years and years ago when I was in middle school. He seems like a genuine guy. Good for him.
He was a late addition. He joined way after he and Normal Boots were in their prime.
Chad always felt like the fun little brother that was just happy to be a part of something, I love him.
Caddy joined their podcast as a guest too, so that was fun
I'm glad that Continue is still going and upload consistently. It doesn't seem like they're in it for the money (as shown in their income from their content), but genuinely just enjoying what they do. And at the end of the day, that's all that matters.
They are the kind of people I have zero problem at all supporting on Patreon. They are real people in it for the love of the craft and are genuine.
10:15 "Most would agree [Game Grumps] glory days are over" the only people that say this stopped watchin in 2013. The channel has been growing since it began I find it hard to believe it was on the quality of just the period from July 2012 to June 2013. This is such a weird narrative like 99% of GG success came after Jon left.
Let's Plays as a genre may not have the stranglehold they once did but it's silly to insist that the quality of Game Grumps peaked in 2012 with 2 guys rambling incoherently about Sonic 06
If anything, there's a subset of people who only know them from Power Hour and don't even care. Good for then.
@@jamie1602 My point exactly like they've been around for 11 years after Jon left I'm pretty sure a sizable portion of their audience doesn't even know Dan wasn't the original co-host.
Got political sure is doing some heavy lifting.
I'm one of those loyal Continue? fans that pays to their patreon. definitely have loved them for about a decade plus now. I also adore how you only used old footage of them because they definitely look like dads/uncles now lmao.
I watched JonTron's debate with Destiny live; it wasn't just that he was right-wing or anti-immigration. He openly defended those who advocate for the U.S. to be a white ethnostate, and multiple times would echo white supremacist rhetoric. Destiny would try multiple times to get him to elaborate (because he was implying very racist shit), and JonTron refused and deflected EVERY SINGLE TIME. You can watch the VOD - I'm not exaggerating in the slightest. I agree with Destiny that JonTron probably isn't racist and was echoing racist rhetoric without really understanding it. However, I think some of the backlash was warranted, and his response video was completely disingenuous; likely a ploy to downplay the controversy for those who didn't actually watch the "debate".
Im disappointed in how the transparency of these controversies are just brushed over. Jontron wasnt just in controversy for getting political, he advocated for xenophobic policies and was EXTREMELY devoted to his argument.
Like it seems like you dont wanna get into it because you talked to destiny and think it wasnt a big deal but that debate destroyed his credibility with a large portion of his audience that wasnt just for nothing and wasnt blown out of proportion because people didnt come back
Like its one thing to express the debate as like a 30 minute misunderstanding but its a 2 hour back and forth where jon actively says "the worst white people probably dont do as much crime as the best black people"
I don’t think people care dude lmao
13/50
That moment when you realize Hidden Block, the competing content group, technically lasted longer than Normal Boots did.
While Jon and Arin did have a brief reunion in the Star Wars Jontron episode, it's since been confirmed multiple times that the two are no longer friends. They haven't been friends for years at this point. Jon's alcohol problem and misogyny towards Arin's wife Suzy got too out of control so Arin cut ties. At least that's what I've been told.
I can’t watch that shit anymore because of the people dancing in the background.
This video comes off as a PR job for johntron, you should have included the clips of what he said.
Definitely a softball at JonTron.
"oh, I guess he got cancelled for having conservative views"
No, he was parroting talking points from neo-nazis and white supremacists.
When Ethan from H3 invited him to talk about it, JonTron doubled down and said "Well, Wealthy Black people commit more crime than poor white people!"
Like, Holy hell...
Now, I do think he's genuinely regretful of those statements. There was a lot of disinformation campaigns on social media and it's very easy to just get caught up in the echo chamber of lies.
Hell, recently, 1 in 5 Americans believe Taylor Swift is a government asset!
But don't water down the heinous shit he said
Reducing everything about JonTron's "controversy" to just "oh he just talked about politics and that's divisive," when he literally said black people are predisposed to crime is absolutely insane and grossly misleading.
Hearing jontrons current voice coming from his past self was kind of uncanny
I've been watching these guys for so long. It's been crazy watching things rise and fall apart.
kind of dishonest to tip-toe around what JonTron actually said during that debate. it wasn't just something randos were nitpicking to try and "cancel" him for no reason; it was really, really racist.
Well, what did he say?
@@zekromfan1 a highlight was, “wealthy blacks (his wording) commit more crime than poor whites”. clips are easy to find
@@flatP_ The reason he said that was because he pulled up a statistic on google without thinking about the bigger picture. He isnt racist, he is an idiot who was way too unprepared for that debate.
@@zekromfan1I don’t remember any of the specifics of the Destiny debate but I distinctly remember not long after it he got SUPER offended by “Get Out” (2017) for perceived race-baiting, and that he had some very strong opinions about the need to police black communities specifically.
"i think cancel culture is ultra hardcore cringe" that one line makes this video a joke lol
I mean man is speaking facts
@@ImmaLittlePipplease tell me about how the rich millionaire is cancelled harder daddy
10:15 The Game Grumps have been selling out shows on international tours as recently as 2023. To say their glory days are over is a complete farce. They've had two separate "golden eras" in the 11 years since Jon left the show.
Very thorough video. Interesting though that you neglected to mention the specifics of those Jon interviews, markedly the statement that black people are biologically more criminal than white people, and support of great replacement theory. I only speak for myself as a leftist of course, but political disagreement are not inherently a reason to dislike a creator for me. If I remember correctly PBG and I don’t share the same views in a variety of things, but I still have huge respect for him as a creator and person, and enjoy his content. If Jon just had conservative views on immigration policies that would be one thing, but he was outed as a blatant racist. Which was upsetting, Jon was one of my favourite creators at the time, but statements like he made were so far beyond the realm of acceptable. Racist conspiracy is absolutely a reason for people to be upset and to “cancel” somebody. Even after all of that though, he wasn’t really affected in the long term. He broke 5 and 6 million subs post racist comments. He was never one to post often, but even now when he does, he does very well. I do not think anyone treated him disproportionate to his comments. He was outed as a racist, people who care about that got angry and stopped supporting him, and he continued on to be wildly successful
Im a stupid nigga, and yea, we do commit more crimes
- Obama
@@doctorgrubious7725jontron fans are not beating the allegations
"Canceled for being more political", that's some heavy-lifting you're doing to avoid saying what the problem was. It's almost like you're protecting a racist.
22:30 calling DYKG just a content farm devoid of any real content or value does them a huge disservice. Generally neither their titles, thumbnails, nor videos themselves are clickbaity, and they've dipped their toes into some serious investigative journalism here in the last few years; scoring top-tier interviews and helping to recover games, devices, art, and information once thought lost. It may have started out as ~just being bite-sized videos of gaming fun facts, but it's evolved into quite a bit more than that since.
yeah it's matured into a nice little investigative gaming channel, but even at its outset it was still a cut above other similar channels. weird take from this dude
Joey from Clan of the Gray Wolf is an IRL friend of mine. He said they were backed into a corner in joining Normal Boots. If they didn't, PBG said he'd bury their channel.
What do you mean by backed into corner? They were forced to join?
@@Jepze158 yes
I'm so glad that PBG was the only member of normal boots I regularly watched growing up. The guy has a wife and a kid, no controversy, funny content, and just seems like an actual decent guy. I really hope this comment ages well...
Love the video! I was so shocked when I heard Vriska's theme. You have great taste!
The stuff that happened to pro Jared is absolutely disgusting. I love how the internet just forgets this kind of thing and then we're expected to just believe people at their word that something happened. False allegations can destroy somebody's life not just financially but emotionally and psychologically.
Not that it's right or wrong, but if you seek out and make a popular RUclips channel, you're opening yourself up to this. it's just part of internet reality.
@@MrFIRESEAL117Just stop. I'm not just talking about popular RUclipsrs. There are people who have had their entire lives ruined over false allegations.
It seemed like Jared aged 3-4 years in a couple of months because of that.
he's still a creep who sexted his fans
I expected this video to be way more critical of the heinous shit these people pulled.
14:11 "Coincedental," my ass. Jirard and Jared wanted to force Jon out and got the rest to agree to it.
It is crazy that Greg was originally hated for getting all those videos taken down, and now we understand why considering how bad things ended up. Really makes you wonder how bad things were between the two that Greg was worried something like this would happen.
Referring to JonTron as being “openly political” is an interesting way of saying JonTron “spewed white supremacist talking points and refused to denounce the misinformation he shared”
I mean why would he denounce them when he probably still believes in them. Why do you think he moved from New York to New England.
Pretty staggering omission of the opinions that Jon expressed to catch so much flack, lol
"You can just upload your videos to RUclips and run ads once you reach the monetisation requirements, which aren't super hard to meet"
*Cries in a corner after running a channel for 4 and a half years and still not reaching monetisation*
What a mistake to call DYKG a "content farm". Because hour long dives into a game's history, procuring and holding interviews for basically each video themselves, and preserving content from dead studios or canned game deams it as a "content farm".
I can see where that insult may have come from, with the compilation videos, but they've done what they've done, and continue to make original content.
Agreed, a "content mill" is a more accurate term. They were once great at gathering info, but they're now a shell of their former selves, like anyone else once affiliated with this group.
Man I miss Continue. I was apart of that faithful audience
what do you mean you miss them lol, they're still around? probably the longest running consistent group on youtube considering it's still the same three dudes. they do it right.
Good too know!
Honestly I just forgot about them until this vid, thanks for the info.
That was my favorite part of Continue, they were so consistent. And Jon Tron posted once every 6 months
no prob, enjoy catching up on their stuff! they're hilarious@@dvdatkinson811
21:04 Jirard donated $600k after being caught yes, but that is far less than what he raised. $50k was still in the account according to the tax filings at least. At worst I did the math myself and on average $30-40k a year isn't reported on their taxes. By now he has raised well over a million, and only donated the $600k.
I personally think that the Game Grumps have been doing pretty well. Most RUclipsrs that have a live show that they tour go through Arin's touring company. Plus the quality of Game Grumps content has, IMO, really started to come back in the past two years. They were at a pretty low point in quality somewhere around when the pandemic started (even before).