Yo the Latenna cheese is one thing entirely but finding out lock on potentially dictates the hyper aggression of some bosses sounds like a huge mechanical discovery
Just fought Baleful shadow using a deliberate no-look, no-lock approach. He spent most of the time walking slowly towards me. Only rarely lunged., Used rotten breath, weapon art and power stance all aimless to damage. Supposedly he can heal himself repeatedly. I didn't see him do it at all. Maybe it affects how they assess need to heal as well as aggression and dodging.
@@michaelclark4876 That's really good data! I expected Baleful Shadow to be in the group of hard-coded dodgers (Lions and Black Knives). But the fact he didn't heal? Very interesting. I'll be posting another video today showcasing this theory.
Works the same way with jar cannon If you tap to shoot while she's off camera and then aim at her, she can't Dodge the Arrow But If you Lock on, she'll Dodge Same concept
"apparently the key to defeating a demi god is just to not look at them"...how many gods has mankind lost because we ignored them to death? Can't say- they have been totally forgotten!
Any one else here thinking it's distance not the lock or the look. When you walk backwards you are slower and distance is lost. I don't know if any other player do but when I play bosses or even animes you can bait attacks depending on distance and if you are left or right of them
@@mynameizj1 proximity is the age-old standby in video games for aggro mechanics and I definitely observe that in this game (though there doesn’t seem to be any level-difference-modifier mechanic, which allows for some crazy exploration opportunities). The target-lock aspect? I’m intrigued, but not convinced. But it seemed occasionally noticeable on this boss demo. There are other kinda mysterious mechanics such as sneaking, hiding in a bush and hiding line-of-sight. Why torches and lanterns and noisy buffs in a dark cave don’t give you away is quite odd, lol.
@@mynameizj1 Distance will affect the agro heavily. The Lock-on for sure affects how she reads projectiles. I tested it with every Archer summon and it's consistent. It's either if you're locked on OR if you're directly facing her will she detect an incoming projectile from another source. This is very clearly shown with Ohga or the Ancestor Follower given how near instant their shots are.
I watched a video of Malenia fighting other bosses and wondered why she did so much slow walking (and getting hit/knocked down.) After watching this, realized that this tactic of NOT facing her probably was why she wasn’t more aggressive.
That is genius. Now I am wondering whether not looking at the boss is a valid tactic for other bosses. I moved where my lock-on button is because I kept accidentally switching lock off. Since then I noticed that switching lock on and off does make some fights easier, but I never understood why. For example, the erdtree spirits seem to be much easier if you fight them with the lock off. I just thought it was because it was easier to evade them, but thinking about it now they do seem to use a more limited moveset if you are not locked on. Also, I found that when there is an enemy around a corner, if you lock on and go round the corner they are ready for you, but if you do not lock-on you can often catch them out for a free hit. Pretty convinced that looking at a boss or locking on to a boss makes a big difference to their actions. I need to try this out more.
I'm interested too. I've been testing this on a good number of bosses and it seems pretty consistent. Maliketh has a similar behavior if you look away as well. I'm going to see if it works on the other endgame bosses.
@@ulyaoth3579 Free-Aiming projectiles has always been a technique in Souls games. For example, throwing pyromancy while aiming up extends the distance it can travel and makes hitting enemies you couldn't while locked on possible. I'm glad the breath attacks are included in this list.
@@hunterburguillo5891 She does react to those locked on. In my Night Maiden's Mist run, I free aimed to the side and she just stayed inside the mist. She will dodge if you lock on and begin the cast. I don't know if Mists draw agro. Feel free to check it out!
Killed her first try in ng+ and died 40 times in ng. Felt so good. still had one health and magic flask left . But it was so satisfying to not get killed by her waterfowl dance .
I had a really good time against her in ng, but now on ng+ she fucking annoys me. I always have to predict waterfowl which results in both of us not doing anything for 30 seconds. I don't want to approach her because I believe she's gonna do it and Malenia is just edgewalking in a circle because I'm not approaching her. And when I do approach her (or when I'm in the middle of an attack) she gets me with the point blank waterfowl because I have no time to run away. I wish there was a consistent way to dodge it at point blank range. Even better would be an indicator so you know she's doing it so you can prepare. Like Mohg's Trés, Duo, Unus before he does Nihil.
I fought her first time with a few teammates and defeated her due to luck and gank damage. But then I tried to help other players and just died over and over again.
Can we take a moment to appreciate this flawless watefowl dance dodging. I think to actually start having any conversation, about having fun in defeating her by any method, we have to be able to get this part right like you do. Let alone to walk calmly in front of her, with our backside turned on her 😂
This mechanic reminds me of O'rin in Sekiro when you get her across the bridge ..if you hit her once in the back she lets you smack her but if you face her she turns to block or attack
Latenna is the best, essential on my RL1 run. Annihilates any boss with a big arena. Took down Mogh RL1 with her, aggro management was a bitch there but doable.
I'm 2 years late but thanks for the video man. I'm doing a Summon Only challenge and i was struggling with Malenia's self heal. I tried Latenna before but i completely forgot about this machanic or rather didnt know it applied like this as well. After watching your vid i first tried her so cheers for that
Latenna my favorite summon. Bring that waifu to every boss fight. Plop her down, and with that massive range she can hit anything from anywhere. Now give her a wolf in some dlc, and we are set.
There is that one talisman(Shabriri's Woe), and headgear(Duelist Helm/Rotten Duelist Helm), that make you draw aggro. You might not need to use darts at all.
It does not work on Ash summons according to the Wiki. Regardless, she doesn't really even go for Latenna once you're far enough. This applies to most bosses that I've seen where just sheer distance prevents Latenna from being targeted. The darts help set-up creating the distance very well though.
I belive the lore implies that the scarlet rot has taken her eyesight along with other appendages which kinda explains somewhat why she can't see. When you face and attack her she uses her senses to react. Not an Elden Ring lore historian so please don't crucify me if I'm wrong.
This is the same tactic that I used for most bosses in my strength build playthrough, but instead of using Latenna, I just used the Marionette Soldier Ashes. It's fun watching bosses dance around the map without me doing anything to them. Instead of running after them, I just waited for guard counter chances till they stagger and eventually die.
I know that this isn't a true cheese method but it really helped out with my fights with Malenia for the rougher moves, thanks for ending dozens of hours of pain my man.
If you wanna end this fight quickly on top of cheesing her, equip a greatsword/greataxe/greathammer and put wild strikes on it. You will armor through most attacks and her dodge timings will cause her to dodge into the next strike
The real power of a god is their ability to make people believe. If you turn your faith away and ignore them they hold no power over you. This is one such example. Good job. ;)
That would generally be an issue of you not getting agro for long enough to drag her back. It's not enough to put her down and expect it to happen. You gotta keep throwing knives and forcefully bait her away from Latenna until she's too far to agro her.
Agony and despair is what i experienced against Malenia, starting by the obvious reactions such as "this is bs" at the healing, "how the fuck can i even survive this" at waterfoul and up to the "i'm done i will never beat this game, my years of glory have ended" I used a single bleed katana, i was out of ideas and not even a bleed build but it seemed to be the most effective way, also any decent shield with barricade just to avoid the stamina drain of waterfoul because i suck at dodging the first wave of hits, no blood hound step or magic (blind run), but alas i learned every single move and timing of her attacks, and eventually beat her in like 50-70 tries i lost count, now she can only get easier in future playthroughs, she has nothing on me now.
It is very much akin to Sekiro, where once you figure out the patterns and rhythm, you retain that skill. Sekiro bosses unfortunately ALL become nothing once you learn to abuse every single opening. I salute your effort and attrition!
A similar strat I once saw was using Ogha since his greatbow knocks her down all the time, i guess you could also add your own greatbow on top of it and keep her far away.
This is pretty neat, the mimic and I usually blasphemous blade spam her. Phase 2 when she goes into scarlet aeonia I hit her with ice breath from a distance- rinse and repeat. Ping ponging agro to keep mimic healthy also helps to have a heal in your spell slots as the mimic will use it sometimes.
Identical to my loadout & strat when I finally overcame this PIA boss. I couldn't succeed using Tyrannicon's cheese oddly enough and went back to defeat her by...just beating her!
Damn all three of us really used the exact same loadout 😂 here I thought I discovered a new strategy when I would knock her down with the blasphemous blade ash of war and hit her with frost breath.
I've just tried this (sl 131, 60 vig, 15 end ). It took me about 5 or 6 tries considering how much more aggressive and mobile phase 2 is, but it's definetely viable if a bit slow. You, sir, are a gentleman and scholar
I was intending it to be a showcase of "possible but not optimal". You'd need some decent patience and mandatory dodging skills so I never considered this a cheese. I'm glad it worked out for you though!
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lol "aparently the way to kill a god is not looking at him", thanks for the trics because i've already experiment her stupidity by running in " circle " staying at whip range. Easiest P1 for me
@@snunpai yeah she just walk being stager, as whip have blunt damage(except urumi), and often took a bleed proc! Was my no invoc run and it end to be be the best one
Truly the purest of cheese. It definetly will help many people who are having trouble with her. I remember struggling for over a day and ending up caving and summoning
Latenna is the best spirit ash cause unlike all the other ashes she doesn't make the bosses spin in constant aggro so you can focus on 1v1 with the boss while she just keeps the pressure and stagger so you know it's actually a fun summon... unlike 90% of the summons "in my opinion at least"... and hey she also waif material
She's the best summon aside from Tiche for me. I don't even use Mimic anymore. The consistent damage is arguably better than most summons (like for Elden Beast, she's the only one who can damage him almost anywhere he is). She's not meant to draw agro (obviously), but I prefer agro on me for most action RPG's anyway. It makes it easier to tell what bosses are doing and you don't get caught by them suddenly switching agro on to you.
@@snunpai I hate tiche and mimic personally they are far too op to be fun to the point they make the game boring while latenna just supports and rewards you for playing well and keeping agro as opposed to all spirits that draw agro and have you stay back like your some side character XD
I think you can use a rune for invaders it boosts summons apparently. Not sure of it is not patched out. You get it from lord of blood. Saves you some time.
Latenna and the nightmaiden & swordstress puppets carried me all the way till I got to the snow giant after that I needed someone that could do damage and dodge alot of attacks so I brought out Black Knife Tiche and damn this girl goes to town so much that you gotta keep up or she'll make you look like your just standing around doing nothing.
I remember distinctly summoning Tiche for Godskin Duo and I started buffing (Golden Vow, Erdtree Blessing, FGMS). She took care of a solid 20% by the time I was done. She wasn't having it that day.
Wow lol I literally just done this with her and it works very well especially when Luttena is max level 10. Her arrows seem to really hurt her, malenia did try to aggro towards her a couple times and I almost messed up if I didn't have the aggro talisman on then she would have went full on at her. Shewww the talisman save my ass or hers rather lol. Thanks for sharing 👍👍 Still works like a charm
Really makes you realize that Malenia has a moral code, unlike some people. She doesn't attack you as aggressively if you're (at least what she thinks of it) not engaged.
also according to some other video, if you summon latenna, or any summons really, before you summon them you activate moghs great rune. this gives all your summons an extra 20% damage boost among things. now, if anywhere, in a huge range really, any bloodloss occurs while moghs great rune is active, your summons get another 20% damage boost for like a minute or so, on top of the permament other 20% damage boost. Finally, you can also throw a cursed blood pot on the ground, or, at malenia herself. I dont think it has much effect for latenna, unless it would make her attack faster... but the pot effect itself, whether it misses or not, also adds another damage boost to summons. so you can make latenna do a good deal more damage that way.
I didn't know about the innate 20% boost. I was under the impression I have to proc bleed/curse pot. It didn't cross my mind since the tests I was doing with this, I was restricting myself from attacking her to see if Latenna could truly solo her (which she did). I will be using Mohg's rune when I test the other archers though!
I'm doing a sl1 run with a lvl 10 latenna and she's amazing! Latenna is seriously the goat! Her range is further than her visual spawn some times! Commander Niels spear and mohggs great rune and seppuku buff her up nice and if you need just drop a warming stone or that sheild ash of war she can have a longer happier picnic and if you need to keep her alive for aoe nukes just drink the ally damage boost perfume cuz it makes the next hit they recieve only do a tiny % it normally would! There's a ton of great ways to use her!
The first time I really abuse Latenna was at Astel... Because that was such a large area, and the boss jumping always around, and at least Latenna constantly deals damage all the time...
@@snunpai Yes I was basically running around trying not to get hit or catched by that fucking teleport grab. and hitting astel with magic... So in some fights also it does not seem like it Latenna may be a better ash then the mimic tear or the black knight.
My strategy for Malenia was similar but different. I used Oleg, and my goal was to keep Malenia focused on me, dodge her attacks, and have Oleg initiate from her backside. Once he hits, I would jump into a double greatswords power stance attack, knock her flat on her face, swing one more time, and roll out. Since I dealt more damage and was technically the one who broke her stance, she would go right back to focusing me. However, I had to keep looking at her for it to work, because the moment she focused Oleg during Phase 1 it was a loss, because Oleg suicides at the start of Phase 2 and loses half of his health.
My first Elden Ring build was severely bodged and didn't do any damage. But I had Latenna, so I upgraded her, leveld HP and Stamina, equipped shabriris woe and made that my build. It worked surprisingly well.
If it does, that would be amazing. This doesn't seem easy to me just due to the fact you're playing decoy. If it does work for someone though, I'd be happy.
I finally had some time to try this, didn't work well. Malenia would constantly agro on Latenna. Even pulling Malenia far away I just can't keep her agro on me. I suppose it takes some time to learn how to hold Malenia's agro. I just don't think it's worth the time invested. I think your time would be better spent learning Malenia's moves and how to dodge them. Not knocking this method, it's just not for me.
She's honestly easier that way. As long as you have answers for her big moves and just punish the small moves you're comfortable with, she's trivial. That's sorta the point of any boss, to learn them. To me, she's a boss from Sekiro (which most are easy if you adapt to the game's core mechanic of deflection).
I don't know if this is just me, but Malenia always directly runs towards Latenna and gives a shit about me. I even run directly past her and she still keeps attacking the spirit. The Shabriri's Woe also doesn't seem to work. Any ideas ? Patch 1.09.1 / PS5
Shabriri's Woe has never worked. You have to hit Malenia when the fight starts and have her chase you. Running into her or past her won't draw agro. It can be anything like throwing daggers, spells, or even just punching. Briar armor is good for this since it does 1 damage when you roll, so you dodge into or away from her while keeping agro at the same time. Once you're far enough away, she won't ever target Latenna (unless she manages to get very close). If that happens, you can just drag her away again.
Bro I cannot get the start of this to work no matter, what on the latest patch, probably tried 20 times, no matter what she always drops agro on me and runs at latenna, I can never get her into the corner out of agro range for latena
I just did it now; It still works. If you're having trouble drawing agro, use throwing knives to keep her chasing you until Latenna's out of range. A rapid fire bow would also work pretty well, as long as some form of damage is done to her even if it's miniscule. You can use briar gloves or Fire's Deadly Sin for passive damage so you don't have to attack with your weapon.
I havent tried the armor, i suppose thats worth a shot, but I had terrible results with throwing knives, most of the time she dodged all of them giving me about a 1/8-1/10 success rate. I did finally find a strat where hugging a wall and punching her a few times seems to do the trick about 1/3 of the time@@snunpai
I used this trick for the Fire Giant. You make him chase you at the top of the map on the rocks and then place Latenna at the bottom and he gets stuck in the rocks and she just fires non stop on him... Not very quick but very easy.
I wish there was an option to make latenna use different arrows of your choosing, like if these were fire arrows instead of magic arrows it would be awesome since malenia is weak to fire , there is another archer ash that does sleep arrows but not sure if this boss can be put to sleep
Fun stuff - don't look back or you'll turn into a pillar of salt :).... I was wondering about lock on, because I have noticed when using incantations like lightning strike, frenzie burst or even the bolt of grandsaxe weapon art - if I initiate the L2 weapon art, for the Bolt of Grandsaxe, or the L1 for the incantations, WITH OUT having lock on, and then lock on just at the point where the animation is just about to release - the enemy is way LESS likely to dodge the lightning spear, lightning bolt, or the frenzie burst. It is a risky yet valid tactic, does take skill to get the timing just right, but would most likely be defined as cheese - sure, why not. It is a tactic that I have sometimes decided, during the animation sequencing to sometimes target another more aggressive enemy's aggro. It sure beats "you've died" again - just to learn to memorize dodge, duck, dive and dodge - if you can dodge Malenia, you can dodge a ball.
I have a video of beating Malenia with a +0 Ohga using the Bolt of Gransax. It works as you describe since the release animation will only snap when the bolt is actually being thrown. For comparison, if you use Mighty shot on a bow, the arrow is released as soon as you let go so by the time you lock on, you're already facing her and she can dodge. It's still possible but very difficult. Enchanted shot shoots at a literal 90 degree angle so it doesn't have this problem.
@@snunpai Interesting - I'll have to take a look at "Enchanted Shot", because I do enjoy being a archer - even a stealth archer. My preferred playing style is actually stealth - I enjoy the strategy of being stealthy. You know the old saying "stealthy is healthy" :) It is very challenging to stay in stealth playing ER... Thanks
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I am Malenia, pin cushion of Latenna.
I was going to comment the same thing, except "Pin Cushion of Rot"
Lmao
i laughed so hard i deleted my save
lmao please pin this comment
This is awesome 👌
@@TheRedfieldWay I am Regie Dayrit, pinned comment of its always snuny
Yo the Latenna cheese is one thing entirely but finding out lock on potentially dictates the hyper aggression of some bosses sounds like a huge mechanical discovery
It's quite consistent. I just did it in NG+7 with Ohga if you're interested. ruclips.net/video/HkPK9kUattA/видео.html
Just fought Baleful shadow using a deliberate no-look, no-lock approach. He spent most of the time walking slowly towards me. Only rarely lunged., Used rotten breath, weapon art and power stance all aimless to damage. Supposedly he can heal himself repeatedly. I didn't see him do it at all. Maybe it affects how they assess need to heal as well as aggression and dodging.
@@michaelclark4876 That's really good data! I expected Baleful Shadow to be in the group of hard-coded dodgers (Lions and Black Knives). But the fact he didn't heal? Very interesting. I'll be posting another video today showcasing this theory.
Works the same way with jar cannon
If you tap to shoot while she's off camera and then aim at her, she can't Dodge the Arrow
But If you Lock on, she'll Dodge
Same concept
@@pedrootenio4225 I have videos on that too, the first one covering that concept actually.
"apparently the key to defeating a demi god is just to not look at them"...how many gods has mankind lost because we ignored them to death? Can't say- they have been totally forgotten!
Lmao this settles it. This is a lore friendly move
Any one else here thinking it's distance not the lock or the look. When you walk backwards you are slower and distance is lost. I don't know if any other player do but when I play bosses or even animes you can bait attacks depending on distance and if you are left or right of them
@@mynameizj1 proximity is the age-old standby in video games for aggro mechanics and I definitely observe that in this game (though there doesn’t seem to be any level-difference-modifier mechanic, which allows for some crazy exploration opportunities). The target-lock aspect? I’m intrigued, but not convinced. But it seemed occasionally noticeable on this boss demo. There are other kinda mysterious mechanics such as sneaking, hiding in a bush and hiding line-of-sight. Why torches and lanterns and noisy buffs in a dark cave don’t give you away is quite odd, lol.
@@chriskelvin248 this is true 🤔.. tank you for your reply
@@mynameizj1 Distance will affect the agro heavily. The Lock-on for sure affects how she reads projectiles. I tested it with every Archer summon and it's consistent. It's either if you're locked on OR if you're directly facing her will she detect an incoming projectile from another source. This is very clearly shown with Ohga or the Ancestor Follower given how near instant their shots are.
There’s something amazingly hilarious about the tip: “Don’t look at her”
This gave the phrase "the real boss is the camera" an entire new meaning
So this is why Gideon wanted us to find the Albinauric Woman
I watched a video of Malenia fighting other bosses and wondered why she did so much slow walking (and getting hit/knocked down.) After watching this, realized that this tactic of NOT facing her probably was why she wasn’t more aggressive.
Nice catch man
5:25 "at this point you just... live" that's deep shit here man, felt in my guts
That is genius. Now I am wondering whether not looking at the boss is a valid tactic for other bosses. I moved where my lock-on button is because I kept accidentally switching lock off. Since then I noticed that switching lock on and off does make some fights easier, but I never understood why. For example, the erdtree spirits seem to be much easier if you fight them with the lock off. I just thought it was because it was easier to evade them, but thinking about it now they do seem to use a more limited moveset if you are not locked on. Also, I found that when there is an enemy around a corner, if you lock on and go round the corner they are ready for you, but if you do not lock-on you can often catch them out for a free hit.
Pretty convinced that looking at a boss or locking on to a boss makes a big difference to their actions. I need to try this out more.
I'm interested too. I've been testing this on a good number of bosses and it seems pretty consistent. Maliketh has a similar behavior if you look away as well. I'm going to see if it works on the other endgame bosses.
Quick Answer... Yes, Never target your Boss with the Breath attacks like rot breath and watch the magic happen
@@ulyaoth3579 Free-Aiming projectiles has always been a technique in Souls games. For example, throwing pyromancy while aiming up extends the distance it can travel and makes hitting enemies you couldn't while locked on possible. I'm glad the breath attacks are included in this list.
Will she react or change at all with mist casts? Ex, Poison mist while not locking on her and Latenna shooting?
@@hunterburguillo5891 She does react to those locked on. In my Night Maiden's Mist run, I free aimed to the side and she just stayed inside the mist. She will dodge if you lock on and begin the cast. I don't know if Mists draw agro. Feel free to check it out!
Killed her first try in ng+ and died 40 times in ng. Felt so good. still had one health and magic flask left . But it was so satisfying to not get killed by her waterfowl dance .
Perfect dodging her waterfowl dance is the most badass thing.
I had a really good time against her in ng, but now on ng+ she fucking annoys me.
I always have to predict waterfowl which results in both of us not doing anything for 30 seconds.
I don't want to approach her because I believe she's gonna do it and Malenia is just edgewalking in a circle because I'm not approaching her.
And when I do approach her (or when I'm in the middle of an attack) she gets me with the point blank waterfowl because I have no time to run away.
I wish there was a consistent way to dodge it at point blank range.
Even better would be an indicator so you know she's doing it so you can prepare. Like Mohg's Trés, Duo, Unus before he does Nihil.
I fought her first time with a few teammates and defeated her due to luck and gank damage. But then I tried to help other players and just died over and over again.
*Sees the title*
Me: Heh what a noob using summons
*Sees him casually dodge the watefowl dance*
Me: Dear god...
He is using blood bound step though, which does make it fairly easy to dodge. It she fact that it's mainly latenna solo that's impressive.
Can we take a moment to appreciate this flawless watefowl dance dodging.
I think to actually start having any conversation, about having fun in defeating her by any method, we have to be able to get this part right like you do. Let alone to walk calmly in front of her, with our backside turned on her 😂
Disregarding waterfowl the fight is actually such a goddamn blast. But that one move just drags it way down.
@@RJMacReady1just run away, then roll in, then either roll out or just slowly walk backwards
I love this.
Lore wise it fits bc the game seems to be telling you to summon her for the fight with her whole quest. Niice.
This mechanic reminds me of O'rin in Sekiro when you get her across the bridge ..if you hit her once in the back she lets you smack her but if you face her she turns to block or attack
“hit her once in the back she lets you smack her” that 😌
Latenna is the best, essential on my RL1 run. Annihilates any boss with a big arena. Took down Mogh RL1 with her, aggro management was a bitch there but doable.
Latenna best girl so proud 🙏
I'm 2 years late but thanks for the video man. I'm doing a Summon Only challenge and i was struggling with Malenia's self heal. I tried Latenna before but i completely forgot about this machanic or rather didnt know it applied like this as well. After watching your vid i first tried her so cheers for that
I appreciate your comment and congrats! It's never too late for comments or Elden Ring, so keep doing your thing!
Latenna my favorite summon. Bring that waifu to every boss fight. Plop her down, and with that massive range she can hit anything from anywhere. Now give her a wolf in some dlc, and we are set.
There is that one talisman(Shabriri's Woe), and headgear(Duelist Helm/Rotten Duelist Helm), that make you draw aggro. You might not need to use darts at all.
It does not work on Ash summons according to the Wiki. Regardless, she doesn't really even go for Latenna once you're far enough. This applies to most bosses that I've seen where just sheer distance prevents Latenna from being targeted. The darts help set-up creating the distance very well though.
I've made a video about this: ruclips.net/video/zM3eR-VH91I/видео.html
@@snunpai I thought the same thing with shabriri's woe. Obviously wrong lol. This is good to know! Thanks dude!
Funny how this is legitimately the only time Shabriri's Woe is ever going to be useful 😂
Shabriris woe didn't work at all for me
I belive the lore implies that the scarlet rot has taken her eyesight along with other appendages which kinda explains somewhat why she can't see. When you face and attack her she uses her senses to react. Not an Elden Ring lore historian so please don't crucify me if I'm wrong.
This is the same tactic that I used for most bosses in my strength build playthrough, but instead of using Latenna, I just used the Marionette Soldier Ashes. It's fun watching bosses dance around the map without me doing anything to them. Instead of running after them, I just waited for guard counter chances till they stagger and eventually die.
there s something very satisfying to see her full of arrows ;)
I know that this isn't a true cheese method but it really helped out with my fights with Malenia for the rougher moves, thanks for ending dozens of hours of pain my man.
Dude out here just dodged perfectly through waterfowl dance.
If you wanna end this fight quickly on top of cheesing her, equip a greatsword/greataxe/greathammer and put wild strikes on it. You will armor through most attacks and her dodge timings will cause her to dodge into the next strike
The real power of a god is their ability to make people believe. If you turn your faith away and ignore them they hold no power over you.
This is one such example. Good job. ;)
The Cold Shoulder +25.
@@snunpai Facts. :)
The only video I can watch at work of a Latenna soloing without having to meet with HR
No matter what I do, she goes straight for her.
That would generally be an issue of you not getting agro for long enough to drag her back. It's not enough to put her down and expect it to happen. You gotta keep throwing knives and forcefully bait her away from Latenna until she's too far to agro her.
You are really good at dodging her waterfowl dance so you definitely don't need to do this but certainly entertaining
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Agony and despair is what i experienced against Malenia, starting by the obvious reactions such as "this is bs" at the healing, "how the fuck can i even survive this" at waterfoul and up to the "i'm done i will never beat this game, my years of glory have ended"
I used a single bleed katana, i was out of ideas and not even a bleed build but it seemed to be the most effective way, also any decent shield with barricade just to avoid the stamina drain of waterfoul because i suck at dodging the first wave of hits, no blood hound step or magic (blind run), but alas i learned every single move and timing of her attacks, and eventually beat her in like 50-70 tries i lost count, now she can only get easier in future playthroughs, she has nothing on me now.
It is very much akin to Sekiro, where once you figure out the patterns and rhythm, you retain that skill. Sekiro bosses unfortunately ALL become nothing once you learn to abuse every single opening. I salute your effort and attrition!
A similar strat I once saw was using Ogha since his greatbow knocks her down all the time, i guess you could also add your own greatbow on top of it and keep her far away.
This is pretty neat, the mimic and I usually blasphemous blade spam her. Phase 2 when she goes into scarlet aeonia I hit her with ice breath from a distance- rinse and repeat. Ping ponging agro to keep mimic healthy also helps to have a heal in your spell slots as the mimic will use it sometimes.
Identical to my loadout & strat when I finally overcame this PIA boss. I couldn't succeed using Tyrannicon's cheese oddly enough and went back to defeat her by...just beating her!
Damn all three of us really used the exact same loadout 😂 here I thought I discovered a new strategy when I would knock her down with the blasphemous blade ash of war and hit her with frost breath.
@@sleven1160 Wriggly sword for the win!...that sounds bad, but you know what I mean XD
10 mimic + ice breath were my executioners as well in p2. p1 - rivers of blood katana.
I should be doing homework right now, but I enjoy this a lot more.
I've just tried this (sl 131, 60 vig, 15 end ). It took me about 5 or 6 tries considering how much more aggressive and mobile phase 2 is, but it's definetely viable if a bit slow. You, sir, are a gentleman and scholar
I was intending it to be a showcase of "possible but not optimal". You'd need some decent patience and mandatory dodging skills so I never considered this a cheese. I'm glad it worked out for you though!
really good find on her AI
this also works if you're just trying to heal, by unlocking off her, she eases off the pressure
Her immediate lunge off your healing is the ultimate disrespect.
Nice method. Glad someone uses my favorite spirits summon.
Super useful on my current challenge (no lvl up, no weapons upgrade)
That's a fun run. I used Night Maiden's Mist in mine. Pretty goofy to drop tear gas and run in a circle.
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Your words are very kind! Greatly appreciate it and I will continue to try and provide good content.
lol "aparently the way to kill a god is not looking at him", thanks for the trics because i've already experiment her stupidity by running in " circle " staying at whip range. Easiest P1 for me
Dual Whips on Malenia is fantastic. The extra bit of range just turns her brain off.
@@snunpai yeah she just walk being stager, as whip have blunt damage(except urumi), and often took a bleed proc! Was my no invoc run and it end to be be the best one
Zhou Yu: How did you get 100.000 arrows in 3 days?
Zhuge Liang:
I love this reference.
cool strat, nice video. congratz on algorithm gods, i wish u many many more subs.
Truly the purest of cheese. It definetly will help many people who are having trouble with her. I remember struggling for over a day and ending up caving and summoning
such an unprofessional video...
Great job.
The redmane knight's arrows are so strong they continually just knock her over lmao
This is fantastic..Ive used Latenna on a few bosses now, never thought to try her here...Good tactics! ;0
Latenna is really underrated.
Latenna is the best spirit ash cause unlike all the other ashes she doesn't make the bosses spin in constant aggro so you can focus on 1v1 with the boss while she just keeps the pressure and stagger so you know it's actually a fun summon... unlike 90% of the summons "in my opinion at least"... and hey she also waif material
She's the best summon aside from Tiche for me. I don't even use Mimic anymore. The consistent damage is arguably better than most summons (like for Elden Beast, she's the only one who can damage him almost anywhere he is).
She's not meant to draw agro (obviously), but I prefer agro on me for most action RPG's anyway. It makes it easier to tell what bosses are doing and you don't get caught by them suddenly switching agro on to you.
@@snunpai I hate tiche and mimic personally they are far too op to be fun to the point they make the game boring while latenna just supports and rewards you for playing well and keeping agro as opposed to all spirits that draw agro and have you stay back like your some side character XD
I think you can use a rune for invaders it boosts summons apparently. Not sure of it is not patched out. You get it from lord of blood. Saves you some time.
Latenna and the nightmaiden & swordstress puppets carried me all the way till I got to the snow giant after that I needed someone that could do damage and dodge alot of attacks so I brought out Black Knife Tiche and damn this girl goes to town so much that you gotta keep up or she'll make you look like your just standing around doing nothing.
I remember distinctly summoning Tiche for Godskin Duo and I started buffing (Golden Vow, Erdtree Blessing, FGMS). She took care of a solid 20% by the time I was done. She wasn't having it that day.
This definitley good advice for those who want to beat her thanks. Wish I knew this sooner I ll try it on my next run.
Bro this is ingenious cheese.
Cheese is valid in souls. Just means you are smarter lol
I’ll try anything at this point 🙃
Tbh this is actually cool af and I would consider a "challenge" method.
Wow lol I literally just done this with her and it works very well especially when Luttena is max level 10. Her arrows seem to really hurt her, malenia did try to aggro towards her a couple times and I almost messed up if I didn't have the aggro talisman on then she would have went full on at her. Shewww the talisman save my ass or hers rather lol. Thanks for sharing 👍👍 Still works like a charm
I saw this video a long time ago it feels. I, finally here fighting her and had this in mind the whole time.
All those arrows in Malenia!
Really makes you realize that Malenia has a moral code, unlike some people. She doesn't attack you as aggressively if you're (at least what she thinks of it) not engaged.
What bothers me is the host watching the 2nd phase cutscene just to die to SA.
Host watches first cutscene.
Dies to the first charging double slash.
An Interesting new Technique!
Oh God you really Need to try that with the puppets archers
That's on the list!
Wild Malenias perceive eye contact as a challenge.
Very useful guide for me to fight Malenia
also according to some other video, if you summon latenna, or any summons really, before you summon them you activate moghs great rune. this gives all your summons an extra 20% damage boost among things. now, if anywhere, in a huge range really, any bloodloss occurs while moghs great rune is active, your summons get another 20% damage boost for like a minute or so, on top of the permament other 20% damage boost. Finally, you can also throw a cursed blood pot on the ground, or, at malenia herself. I dont think it has much effect for latenna, unless it would make her attack faster... but the pot effect itself, whether it misses or not, also adds another damage boost to summons. so you can make latenna do a good deal more damage that way.
I didn't know about the innate 20% boost. I was under the impression I have to proc bleed/curse pot. It didn't cross my mind since the tests I was doing with this, I was restricting myself from attacking her to see if Latenna could truly solo her (which she did). I will be using Mohg's rune when I test the other archers though!
That amount of waterfowls shouldn’t be possible in one phase
It ends up being good practice at least.
Loyal Latenna claims another victory.
Radahn had cleanrot spears lodged into his back. Malenia has Lattenna arrows lol
I'm doing a sl1 run with a lvl 10 latenna and she's amazing! Latenna is seriously the goat! Her range is further than her visual spawn some times! Commander Niels spear and mohggs great rune and seppuku buff her up nice and if you need just drop a warming stone or that sheild ash of war she can have a longer happier picnic and if you need to keep her alive for aoe nukes just drink the ally damage boost perfume cuz it makes the next hit they recieve only do a tiny % it normally would! There's a ton of great ways to use her!
The first time I really abuse Latenna was at Astel... Because that was such a large area, and the boss jumping always around, and at least Latenna constantly deals damage all the time...
Astel doesn't even really attack her as well. You barely have to agro.
@@snunpai Yes I was basically running around trying not to get hit or catched by that fucking teleport grab. and hitting astel with magic... So in some fights also it does not seem like it Latenna may be a better ash then the mimic tear or the black knight.
Latena is so damn good
Who'd guess a stationary turret strategically placed can be a mighty help.
This is why Latenna is the best waifu
My strategy for Malenia was similar but different. I used Oleg, and my goal was to keep Malenia focused on me, dodge her attacks, and have Oleg initiate from her backside. Once he hits, I would jump into a double greatswords power stance attack, knock her flat on her face, swing one more time, and roll out.
Since I dealt more damage and was technically the one who broke her stance, she would go right back to focusing me. However, I had to keep looking at her for it to work, because the moment she focused Oleg during Phase 1 it was a loss, because Oleg suicides at the start of Phase 2 and loses half of his health.
my fav part was when you said, " oh she didn't thrust.. oh wow". .. 🤣
That was crazy you figured that out 😂😂😂😂
I might try this. I struggled on my first round with her. I had no problems for the next 5 or 6 rounds. On, I think NG+6 and really having trouble.
Latenna such a queen
Sir, my respect. I will try this.
Love this summons she took over 4k damage of astel the naturalborn void before he came close lol
She is REALLY good at landing headshots. It's surprising to see a solid 500+ on a volley when it connects.
I've only beaten Malenia by summoning Let Me Solo Her... LOL. Thanks for this info... I'ma try it for sure.
I found this video hella interesting, I think niche things are the most interesting stuff in elden ring
This is what I have been attempting with my RL1 run using daggers and lightning spear to keep aggro and do some damage.
"Hot ice...you heard me...hot ice....I heat up..the ice cubes....it's the best of both worlds!" -The Brickma Build (great movie)
My first Elden Ring build was severely bodged and didn't do any damage. But I had Latenna, so I upgraded her, leveld HP and Stamina, equipped shabriris woe and made that my build. It worked surprisingly well.
I love how busted the ai can be
Great find, will definitely help those stuck with her.
If it does, that would be amazing. This doesn't seem easy to me just due to the fact you're playing decoy. If it does work for someone though, I'd be happy.
when you play the summon for the summon, to get porkypine malenia
Mohg's Great Rune would be excellent for this.
I enjoyed this.. Thanks for the tips
I finally had some time to try this, didn't work well. Malenia would constantly agro on Latenna. Even pulling Malenia far away I just can't keep her agro on me. I suppose it takes some time to learn how to hold Malenia's agro. I just don't think it's worth the time invested. I think your time would be better spent learning Malenia's moves and how to dodge them. Not knocking this method, it's just not for me.
She's honestly easier that way. As long as you have answers for her big moves and just punish the small moves you're comfortable with, she's trivial. That's sorta the point of any boss, to learn them. To me, she's a boss from Sekiro (which most are easy if you adapt to the game's core mechanic of deflection).
elden ring really is a sandbox game! thanks for the video : )
I don't know if this is just me, but Malenia always directly runs towards Latenna and gives a shit about me. I even run directly past her and she still keeps attacking the spirit. The Shabriri's Woe also doesn't seem to work. Any ideas ? Patch 1.09.1 / PS5
Shabriri's Woe has never worked. You have to hit Malenia when the fight starts and have her chase you. Running into her or past her won't draw agro. It can be anything like throwing daggers, spells, or even just punching. Briar armor is good for this since it does 1 damage when you roll, so you dodge into or away from her while keeping agro at the same time.
Once you're far enough away, she won't ever target Latenna (unless she manages to get very close). If that happens, you can just drag her away again.
Bro I cannot get the start of this to work no matter, what on the latest patch, probably tried 20 times, no matter what she always drops agro on me and runs at latenna, I can never get her into the corner out of agro range for latena
I just did it now; It still works. If you're having trouble drawing agro, use throwing knives to keep her chasing you until Latenna's out of range. A rapid fire bow would also work pretty well, as long as some form of damage is done to her even if it's miniscule.
You can use briar gloves or Fire's Deadly Sin for passive damage so you don't have to attack with your weapon.
I havent tried the armor, i suppose thats worth a shot, but I had terrible results with throwing knives, most of the time she dodged all of them giving me about a 1/8-1/10 success rate. I did finally find a strat where hugging a wall and punching her a few times seems to do the trick about 1/3 of the time@@snunpai
Malenia is such an unfair boss. Nice to know the players can make the fight unfair for theirselves, too.
I used this trick for the Fire Giant. You make him chase you at the top of the map on the rocks and then place Latenna at the bottom and he gets stuck in the rocks and she just fires non stop on him... Not very quick but very easy.
Melania is an Enderman
Interesting Method :) great video
I wish there was an option to make latenna use different arrows of your choosing, like if these were fire arrows instead of magic arrows it would be awesome since malenia is weak to fire , there is another archer ash that does sleep arrows but not sure if this boss can be put to sleep
You can throw AOE pots at her.
Fun stuff - don't look back or you'll turn into a pillar of salt :).... I was wondering about lock on, because I have noticed when using incantations like lightning strike, frenzie burst or even the bolt of grandsaxe weapon art - if I initiate the L2 weapon art, for the Bolt of Grandsaxe, or the L1 for the incantations, WITH OUT having lock on, and then lock on just at the point where the animation is just about to release - the enemy is way LESS likely to dodge the lightning spear, lightning bolt, or the frenzie burst. It is a risky yet valid tactic, does take skill to get the timing just right, but would most likely be defined as cheese - sure, why not. It is a tactic that I have sometimes decided, during the animation sequencing to sometimes target another more aggressive enemy's aggro.
It sure beats "you've died" again - just to learn to memorize dodge, duck, dive and dodge - if you can dodge Malenia, you can dodge a ball.
I have a video of beating Malenia with a +0 Ohga using the Bolt of Gransax. It works as you describe since the release animation will only snap when the bolt is actually being thrown.
For comparison, if you use Mighty shot on a bow, the arrow is released as soon as you let go so by the time you lock on, you're already facing her and she can dodge. It's still possible but very difficult. Enchanted shot shoots at a literal 90 degree angle so it doesn't have this problem.
@@snunpai Interesting - I'll have to take a look at "Enchanted Shot", because I do enjoy being a archer - even a stealth archer. My preferred playing style is actually stealth - I enjoy the strategy of being stealthy. You know the old saying "stealthy is healthy" :) It is very challenging to stay in stealth playing ER... Thanks