Fourth Wing Chapters 11-15 Explained | Fantasy Fangirls Podcast Insights & Theories
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Two sisters, Nicole and Lexi explore chapters 11-15 of Rebecca Yarros's Fourth Wing!
Lexi and Nicole begin with Battle Brief (summary of this section), then dawn their Signet Powers deep diving into critical insights, theories, and foreshadowing, and then finish off with taking a trip to the Archives to learn about Dragon society and the types of dragon colors and tails.
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I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Xaden’s eyes are black and gold, the same color as Violets dragons. I’m excited to see if the dragons have their own prophecies that we aren’t privy to yet, since Tairn constantly calls Violet “Silver One” and called Andarna “Golden One” a couple of times
I think Tairn saying he didnt think hed make it this far, is because Naolin died in such a way that betrayed Tairn. I firmly believe Brennan was never dead or at the verge of death, but instead that Naolin got power hungry and abused his bond with Tairn and betrayed Tairn, severing the bond and turning Naolin into a Venin. I think Naolin is the Venin Sage... I think that betrayal is the reason Tairn nearly died and was so careful in choosing a new rider...
Can we just take a moment on how good Nicole’s impression of Tarin “Step a side, silver one” was 😍🙌🏼🤩 Sounded just like the audiobook 🙏🏼
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She did, but the audiobook is not canon. For example, except from the very first mention of the name, the audiobook always mispronounces Teine's name, and these 2 fangirls repeat the mistake. The author herself says that the second E in Teine's name is silent, there can be no discussion about that whatever.
I think Lilith said ‘Don’t say it. Not until she (Violet) does’ is because she doesn’t want people to think Violet faked getting Tairn in some way. Like from the outside it could seem cold af which goes with her character but if we go to her secretly believing in Violet from the beginning then it makes sense. She’s basically giving Violet the stage to prove she is badass enough to be chosen by Tairn. I can’t help but believe Lilith is a ‘she acts like this but is actually this’ type of character. Like I wouldn’t be surprised if she comes out as being part of the Rebels all along. Remember not once does she say to Violet not to get close to the rebels. Only Mira and Dain says that. Her mother goes ‘I can only treat you as another cadet and rider while you are schooled here. I can’t show favouritism or emotion to you’. And her mum would have been told the closeness between Xaden, Liam and Violet. All the students knew about Xaden and Violet. It’s not hard to believe that Lilith wouldn’t of heard especially with Dain’s disdain of the closeness. But still Lilith decides to do nothing even though Xaden is a potential threat to Violet because of her and his dad. It’s like she knew Xaden was not a threat. And she also doesn’t talk about Brennan after his ‘death’ like she completely acts like he didn’t even die. Is it because she knows he didn’t die?
OHHH yes! We love this angle for Lilith!! That makes so much sense! As for her knowing about Brennan, we are SO split on this and could absolutely see it both ways - fingers crossed that we get more info in Iron Flame!!
I want her to have her secret "redemption" arc. Like I want her to be more than the cold mother. I think there is so much more to her than that. I can go on and on about how her mom is working behind the scenes for the rebels to a certain degree. I don't think she is with the rebels but she LOVES her kids/family enough to help them in small ways. It's been said she wasn't so cold until both Brennan and their dad died. So you know she used to feel/show it before. @@fantasyfangirls
I 100% agree this this. She has believed in Violet from the beginning I think Lilith put Violet with the riders because it was the best way to help her survive the truth she learns at the end of the book.
Just a quick note, Codagh (Medren's dragon) is a swordtail, not a morningstar tail, which means that Violet just bonded a dragon that's more powerful than his, wich might explain the evil look he's giving her... And about Lilith, I like the idea that her 'don't say it ' comment, is actually to remind the people around her that it's an honor for the rider to be the first to say their dragon's name, so she's protecting Violet's honor and privilege.
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On Ridoc, can you imagine the conversations between him and his dragon. 😆
OMG I LOVE THE THOUGHT OF GOLDIE BEING ROYALTY!!! I seriously love that and want it to happen
RIGHT!?! Fingers crossed!
maybe her parents were rebel dragons and that's why she doesn't give her lineage?
“Maybe I was saving you” line from Andarna was absolutely LOADED
My first read I did think her mom was being cold about violet saying Tairn’s name first but after the second read do think it’s so violet got the honor of saying it first.
I absolutely REFUSE to believe Xaden is intinsic. It would put him on the same level as Dain with not respecting mind boundaries and i can't believe we would've been made to hate Dain because of his intrusions but Xaden's would be okay ?? Double standard MUCH !!
The reading thing with Tairn, i'm sure is more because Sgaeyl is mated with him so Xaden already have that link with Tairn and he simply tried to read his mind like he would've with Sgaeyl.
About the head prickling, you mentionned in a past episode that it intensified once Violet bonded Tairn, the fated mate theory makes more sense and the fact that they were mentally linked after Treshing made the prickling more intense.
The part with the whole hope thinking thing is unrelated, imo.
Your podcast is AMAZING by the way, it helps me stay somewhat sane (if you can really call obsessively rabbit holing on fourth wing sane) and not cry in bed until november 7th
Nicole thinks that if Xaden is an inntinnsic there will be some "twist" or limit with it where it makes it less of a betrayal like Dain. How would that happen, no idea - but Rebecca has mentioned how Xaden does have a lot of secrets so we're assuming our morally grey man is gonna surprise us!
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I think he’s an inntinnsic because he definitely replies to things she didn’t say out loud. But the only times that come to mind seem to be higher emotion moments, like after the unbondeds attacked her or at the lake when she called him a traitor. So he may only hear them because he’s highly stressed and forgetting to shield. It’s the only way I can justify it not being invasive like Dain
@@lf1257 They're bonded through their dragon. Highly emotional moment applies to Violet too. Maybe she's the one forgetting to not project her thoughts through their mental bond and he's especially attentive to her. He's not intinsic.There's a TON of other explanations for every argument people are bringing in this theory. The only weird thing is that the scalp prickling is odd sometimes and even then : it might probably still be because of the bond or a fated mate situation, or just Violet being exeptionaly attracted by him.
One of the big argument is when she's been attacked in her room and he ask her if she's okay, she says i'm fine and he tells her to not lie to him. People seems to forget that she's breathing fast and shallow, is clearly bleeding has mark around her neck and honestly when you know someone you know when they bullshit you with a basic default answer such as "im fine" when they're clearly not. He's CLEARLY super attentive to her, at every moment (his shadows picked up her quill when he wasn't even looking at her). He knows she has a tendency to hide her weaknesses to others and he got mad that she wanted to hide how she was feeling at that moment from him, firstly because she was obviously not okay and secondly he's the only person in there that doesn't see her as weak and actually wants to help her.
Him being intinsic just doesn't make any sense to the whole plot and adds NOTHING to the character. Do i think the intinsic thing will play somewhat of an important role in the book ? We learned that RY is heavy on foreshadowing stuff you understand only once you read the whole thing and I firmly believe that after reading Iron Flame we'll understand even more foreshadowing in Fourth Wing, so yes, we're not done hearing about an intinsic signet. But not with Xaden.
Reading this after Iron Flame is wild!
@@meliskooliesYup 🤣 I made my piece with the intinsic as I was reading it, it made perfect sense and Rebecca really did it the right way, it was perfect in the end 😂
Tarin literally tells Violet why he chose her as a rider, it was who she was as a person and her character that made him choose her to bond. And it was kind of the same for Andarna. I don't remeber what chapter per say but it is close to the end of the book. I am loving listening to these podcast episodes! I'll be rereading the Fourth Wing before I get to Iron Flame.
Listening to this after iron flame is so funny bc yall predicted sm 😂
Y’all’s love for Harry Potter and my love for Harry Potter makes me want a Harry Potter (probably year long 😂) deep dive from y’all! ❤
I feel like Mira might be a Percy Weasley type of character. Firmly held beliefs but caves to the “right” side just before the end. At least that’s the hope I’m holding onto!
(The end, her end? Who knows! Rebecca Yarros is not a stranger to killing beloved characters!! Just finished bawling my eyes out over The Last Letter this week 😢)
I have hope Mira will come to her senses quickly bc she already mentioned to Violet that she ‘swore she saw a dragon/dragons across the border in Poromiel’ 🤔sounds like it was definitely wyvern to me 🫣
Sawyer is made of the strongest stuff. It's why he is a metal weilder
I know this is old and I have read both books but I’m just now discovering your podcast, so I’m playing catchup. I think Tairn was aware of violet before threshing bc of something to do with when her mom was pregnant with her. Whatever sickness her mom had while pregnant I think has marked her hair and has some deeper more significant meaning to the dragons
I read a comment on tiktok from RY where she states that those without a rebellion relic would be covered as well as long as there are still 3 more people with a rebellion relic.
I have a question if anyone has an opinion. Have their been any marked/rebellion kids that have not bonded? If all of them have bonded that says something about the dragons stance, correct?
ok I'm like at the 30 min mark and have thoughts. rebecca said in a live she wanted to do fated mates but also in the very last chapter xaden says he needs to know what shes feeling --not thinking! but holds back.
AHHH! Here's to hoping for fated mates!!!
1:01:11 From my reading it, I got that only baby dragons have a unique power (such as time freezing), and when they grow almost everyone loses it (from what Tairn said). So fully grown dragons don't choose not to channel a second "special" secret magic to their riders. They just don't have it.
I also think its fitting that they say black dragons are the smartest and you cant out wit them and violet is smartest in her year. :)
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I’m a little late to this party but I believe Mira’s signet was also something to do with protection, creating wards?
sorry for the comments but i saw her mom saying "let her say it" as don't you dare try to take this moment away from my daughter to be the first to say his name on this field. that's just me.
We love the comments! Keep them coming! And love this idea! We could totally see it!
I saw this initially as a 'I don't believe her that she bonded that dragon' but I have second guessed that
In a previous episode there was a question about do we think the professors know about the venin. I figured they all knew because the read the reports. If not all of them do, does that mean the scribes are participating in altering the recording of history? If so, one of the ones altering and hiding HAS to be the head scribe (I’m blanking on his name) that helps teach battle brief that was gonna be Violet’s teacher, and if he is altering records, it’s going to be a huge point of conflict within violet having someone she looks up to as a mentor and role model, someone who shaped her core values, is a hypocrite and working against everything she was taught is right
So true
With melgren: would he even know a battle was happening to know the outcome? My thoughts were that if 3 or more marked ones are together he had no idea about it at all? But I’m not sure
This is a great point! We're not sure if it's only he knows a battles outcome or if he knows a battle is coming! But with how much leadership is brushing under the rug, we can assume they *might* know that a battle is coming their way no matter what. They're just plugging their ears and singing "la la la la la" to try and delay it as much as possible
I feel like we need a redo after reading iron flame- soooo many things change and make more sense, I can’t wait to see how onyx flame changes our understanding of the events in fourth wing and iron flame….
53:26 best part
I think the two females of Tairn's life PLAYED him because they needed to pull him back into the battle. I think he had given up because of....whatever really happened with his other rider. I think the dragons KNOW more about Violet than we think.
When chapter 19, Sgaeyl seems to indicate that Andarna got to participate in Threshing because of her “Right of Benefaction”. Maybe that is related to her being an orphan or just something all baby dragons have?
He knows her name bc he has bonded. He is in her head so he can see I feel her memories and everything. I think they can see human mind and memories much easier not the other way around. In my opinion
Douche canoes😂😂😂😂😂 my favorite line from this episode
When I thought about Andarna and the mystery around her, I got phenix in dragon form vibes.
under the Dragon drama heading - HOW DID ANDARNA's parents die????
Did Andarna go to the Presentation to find Violet? Then, she showed up at Threashing, knowing she was in danger, so Tarin wouldn't have a choice to come and bond Violet. What if the Dragons had a prophecy about Violet.
Chilling in the Vale for 5yrs.😂😂😂😂😂
53:08 sry just a question about a word here ^^ˋ did u say second honor or second owner 😅 sometimes it’s really hard to distinguish certain words when English is not your first language 😅
Late answer, but I'm pretty sure it's "second honour".
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On a side note I think the rule of the marked ones makes sense with what someone says in the book about checks and balances.
The thing about jack that gets me is that he’s never like this with anyone else. He’s a d. But he started the second he heard that violet was a sorrengail and you never really hear him threatening anyone else even tho I’m sure there are others that are ‘weak links’. He doesn’t taunt anyone else about killing them or them not making it, the only other time he does it is to andarna
Idk he did kill someone as soon as they stepped on the parapet :/ there’s also a quote from violet saying he’s put a lot of people on the death roll if I’m remembering correctly
@@lilacorn yea but he never taunts them. The guy on parapet was just thrown no words exchanged, but violet he warns her, taunts her, basically puts fear in her veins before he reaches her. Same with anyone else he kills. He isn’t known for taunting anyone else on the mat
Babes I need you guys to please read throne of glass so I can also have a support group for it😭. It’s nice having a fourth wing support group, but a throne of glass glass support group would really change the world 🥺
Nicole is half way through the series right now! She's taking a small break to read For Blood and Ash but she'll be back in it soon!
I fully believe there is a prophecy that the dragons guard closely about silver and gold. Maybe they've determined that Andarna is the gold and that's why is why she is allowed to bond so young
My theory on Sawyer. He wasn’t not chosen last year. They knew Violet was coming the next year. So they waited to choose him so he would be with her.
Am I the only one who believe that all the dragons need to be on the same side so they can defeat the wyvern type of dragons that are out there? I mean a wyvern is the same type of dragon that they have in Game of Thrones and they need to bond together to defeat them since they’re with the Venin. This theory reminds me so much of how the White Walkers and The Night King in my mind are the venin and the wyvern and all the dragons with their riders and the griffins as well. They have to all bond together and defeat the threat.
Sorry I was using voice to text and it got messed up but I believe the Wyvern/Venin is like White Walkers/Night King and the Dragons/Griffin and their riders must unite to defeat them. So all dragons are on the rebellion side because of the Venin/Wyvern uprising. Remember Jon Snow’s speech?
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They made their point that she stayed on his back. Remember that’s another test for dragons. He wants to set it so it’s believed
I would also have died at the gauntlet way way way before
I dont think Xaden is an intinsic. I think the fact that Violet remembers this specific quote is simply because she sees Xaden there and the quote fits the situation.. That he takes a step forward can´t really be connected to her thought imo, he is probably just preparing to jump in and keep her alive until Tairn arrives.
Did sygael tell Tarin that andarna was in trouble?
I think he was wallowing. It is noted that Naolin's death almost killed him
Andarna didn't give her heritage because she has traveled in time and Tairn and Seagyl are her parents!! At least that is my theory
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I disagree with Xaden being an Intinnsic. I think the statement 'his words come back to me with alarming clarity' was like a way to explain that she realises he cant do anything. In this moment him helping is a possibility and she needs to refocus or she'll die. I really dont want xaden to be an intinnsic simply because mond reading has already been used as a weapon by Dain who i hate and I want xaden to rise high above Dain and be the better character we all want. I fear that if he is intinnsic there will inevitably be a moment of betrayal from him...
I think she is so confused that Xaden doesn’t want to kill her due to lack of confidence. Yes she maybe had men interested in her but she lacks the confidence so it’s hard to believe that someone like him would want someone weak as her. How she sees herself. This happened to me after hs. I had 0 confidence and did not believe someone great could love me or be interested in me. I was small and didn’t see my value
When you've read iron flame and so many of these theories are true
What does taking L's mean???
It means "taking a loss"!
Could andarna be sgael and tairns baby?