Using LORE to Make STAR WARS Counter Strike
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- Join me as we theorize how the rich lore of the Star Wars universe could merge seamlessly with the tactical gameplay of Counter Strike, one of PC gaming's most beloved series.
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00:00 INTRO
01:55 THE NAME
02:25 BOMB DEFUSAL
03:06 FACTIONS
04:42 MONEY, ARMOR, SHIELDS
05:10 MELEE
06:05 AMMO AND HITSCAN
07:26 PISTOLS
12:41 SMG & CARBINES
15:26 HEAVY
19:08 RIFLES
23:50 SNIPERS
26:25 UTILITY & MAPS
27:46 CONCLUSION 
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Star wars is such a flexible franchize, were it can be literally ANY type of game. Companies just don't seem to understand this.
It’s not that they don’t understand it, cause they often do. It’s that making a Star Wars game requires a commitment that not many studios are willing to do. Part of the reason that Star Wars games were so plentiful during the 2000s was due to LucasArts. For them Star Wars was their thing. And while there were other studios like pandemic with the battlefront games. LA was the main studio. Now making a star wars game is a choice. And most studios would rather make their own original game. It’s the exact reason EA dropped bf2 support to focus on their own properties.
Tired of seeing Jedi trash smh.
Hate to be that guy. But "where*"
Star wars is mostly Rts
What about a high fantasy dungeon crawler
I remember thinking a Republic Commando-themed Siege-type game would be awesome
I thought we were going to get that with Respawn but it might have gotten canceled
Republic Commandos vs Commando Droids. Call it Star Wars Commandos, that's your game right there
@@BunkerDweller easy money 😎
@@Zazzy235 funny said that there is rainbow six game called rainbow six Vegas 1-2 so similar to republic commando
one side with alien freaks the other with armor men
The DL-44 being the blaster equivalent of the Desert Eagle would go a long way to explaining why Han couldn't manage to pay that debt to Jabba.
To be fair, the ak is on a country’s flag it’s so iconic so it’s easier for Normies to see. I never had a problem with it, I mean they made Star Wars blasters out of lugers , m4’s and other famous service weapons, don’t think the ak should be excluded
True, but the modifications on those weapons were extensive. Unless you were a gun-nut, you won't be able to identify it. I however, a non-gun-nut, laughed out loud when I saw the AK. They could've at least removed the magazine or something.
@@turkeygod6665When i see a stormtrooper heavy blaster i point at the screen and say "hey, its the mg34"
@@alphanoodle1877 Considering I dont know what an mg34 for, im assuming you noticed it because your a gun-nut.
They had used ancient weapons not many know such as L2A3 with folded stock that is reassembling famous E11 stormtrooper blaster gun. Using ancient guns were a great idea. Especially forgotten or underused ones.
@@turkeygod6665 I’m guessing you don’t know mg stands for machine gun
That doesn’t take any gun knowledge to understand
To add a few variants of skins:
Hutt clan mercenaries, Pykes, Trandoshans
Oppose to shock troopers, police droids, senate guards
Kinda makes it obvious this game will never arrive because it will be made worse by live service and microtransactions, because the publisher would want players to play dress up in every match, ruining the theming.
My only gripe with the AK-47 blaster from Andor is I think it could've been done better. I do recall finding a fan made design around 12 or 13 years ago I thought was better looking in comparison.
the front end was too recognizable - the entire handguard/barrel/gasblock was basically unchanged. they could've, say, used the AK74 or galil gas block instead of the 47/M, and put the gas block under the barrel instead of over. something weird and nonsensical to change the profile of it just a little more. maybe change the handguard too. the hungarian AMD series of AK clones had a distinctive handguard where the top half was removed which made it look distinct from other AK clones, that couldve worked here
edit: looking at the AMD again they could've just straight up used the AMD63 handguard with no other changes and it would look way better lol
@@Luey_Luey If we're going off of recognizability, then practically all the ones based on ww2 weapons fail
It’s not just the fact that it’s recognizable but the fact that the modifications made don’t really change the silhouette enough. They used an MP40 rear end and buttstock to make it not literally just an AK, but since real AKs do have underfolding metal buttstocks and stamped sheet metal dust covers, that isn’t enough of a change to make people suspend their disbelief.
I think simply adding a scope somewhere would’ve helped break up the obvious AK silhouette and make it more “Star Wars-y”. Adding a scope and large muzzle device on the DL-44 help give it a very distinct look from a Mauser C96.
@@justaliteralgoat5639 Yeah but your average person today doesn't know what an L2A3, Lewis Gun, MG34 or MG15 are. The AK 47 is one of few guns that almost everyone knows. The silhouette is too iconic.
@@VinDoyNew At the time of A New Hope, so were most of the guns used. Han's blaster is literally the most iconic German pistol of ww2
I'm actually SHOCKED with how many utilities, weapons and skills that star wars universe has and yet there's no obvious opponent to Rainbow Six Siege. Most of them have lore explanation even with help of force which typical "realistic" tactical shooter can't allow.
Honestly, All you should do now is expanding it.
Hell my first instinct would be expanding it to the Clone wars. "Droid Commandos" vs "Arc Troopers"
EMP grenades would be too OP vs droids. CIS had organic commando regiments though
Droid Poppers aren't effective against Commando Droids, They'd need to be hit at a very specific angle or if their armor is breached in order to get it to work at full effect.
Also in a game just MAYBE we can ignore canon effectivess for the sake of gameplay; I'm yet to hear anybody complaining about how clones/TK troopers wouldn't get affected by flash bang or smoke grenades when their helmets are made to withstand those
@@ThatGuy89002 We could just add new alternative versions to existing grenades:
flash would be throwable sensor scrambler, which would affect both droids and Trooper helmet visors, with a byproduct of a short intense light flash that affects normal organics eyes; literally copy-paste Electric Smoke from Titanfall, but grenade and lighting is weak enough to only block visors/photo-sensors; fire grenades could be replaced by Star Wars version of thermite, but with *relativly* short duration.
Boom, done! And if lore questions arise, just tell that those grenades are hard and long to produce, hence when aquiring them, they get reserved to certain Special Forces, usually the ones with bigger influence and favor (it's true for ALL big enough factions in Star Wars).
A whole match hearing voice commands in the battle droid voice, lol
No love for Dyn Jarrin's Disintegration Rifle? Hell, it could have made it as a sniper rifle.
I mean technically, it's a disruptor rifle variant, so a model of it could become a "skin" for the awp analog
It's literally a disruptor rifle. It's on the list, just with the design used in Jedi Outcast/Jedi Academy.
It really says a lot when one of the most popular and highly rated star wars gaming experiences is a community made Clone Wars overhaul mod for Squad.
Hate to be that guy, but Dengar uses the DLT-19 heavy blaster. The image you showed is of him holding one as well. The DLT-19 was built off of an MG-34 so the barrel has a cylindrical geometry where the Valken-38X is an FG-42 with the barrel of an MG-42 (this is distinctly different because the barrel is more rectangular in nature). Personally I would have preferred the DLT-19 replace the M249, as it fits the light machine gun role better.
Came down to the comments to say the exact thing
Very disappointed to see no E-11D lmao, but honestly concepts like this are absolutely genius
Disney Star Wars is not canon.
@@russianoverkill3715 he added blaster from disney Star Wars from like andor and rogue one
@@russianoverkill3715 Author of this video *litteraly added (Disney) Canon-only blasters to the list!* Learn to fuckin' respect both sources and Author's creative process decisions, which *litterally include adding Disney Canon stuff!*
Because of *all* of that, and the fact that you *just pathetically cannot* accept the fact of "Canon is what current owner of the Intellectual Property (IP) decides what stuff to be Canon", your opinion now is *entirely invalid.*
@@russianoverkill3715 Piss off.
@@russianoverkill3715ok? But the e-11d is cool. All of the legends shit conflicts anyways as well. Disney still blows but the E-11d is cool
I used to run a Star Wars server on CS Source, it just replaced the models of the T-s to Stormtroopers and CT-s to rebels and was running some Starwars map with vehicles. It lasted about a week.
that fps doug throwback came outta left field, man I hadn't thought of purepwnage in ages
25:06 for the disruptors, I think the design from Star Wars Rebels would work as a sniper rifle since it has a scope and looks more like a rifle.
If only these companies made good games
Lucas Arts could, if they weren't dead
Good ole Disney making sure our entertainment is properly restricted to whatever their shareholders and investors dictate and allow (i love capitalism so much)
Disruptor rifles as an awp analog is a hot take, ngl
The whole disintegration war-crimey aspect makes it less likely to actually be deployed lore wise due to pesky things like morals and availability
On the other hand, the custom animation of dusting an opponent would be fun as hell if you're the one using it, and worrying to be on the other side of, because you might not even see the bodies of your fallen comrades to signify "hey, someone's going full thanos on your team over here"
Yep, the Rebels went out of their way to destroy them, and we know that the Empire was actively trying to purchase as many disruptors as they could, meaning that they were probably not produced on a regular basis, certainly not in any legal capacity.
I mean it's not like Imperials care about Ethics all that much, I could see an Imperial Black Ops Soldier being deployed with a Disruptor Rifle
@@MordredSimp It was deemed illegal by the Imperial Senate, and whilst the Empire did want to continue usage, widescale production of disruptors has ceased with the Empire and Rebellion scrambling to acquire the remaining stocks of disruptors.
@@tk-6967 And Special Forces of both factions would've gobbled the remaining disruptor stocks up first! So no lore issues there, I belive! + Some Rebel cells and Special Forces ARE radical enough to use them, despite morals!
@@Taron_HaiTar Maybe, but the Empire seemed more interested in using them to make large scale assaults (and war crimes) easier, not in a practical manner. But if we are talking about Rebel cells, would the game be taking place during the Galactic Civil War or during the Dark Times? Because if it is the latter, then there'd be a lot of interesting things to think about
The thing about the "suppressed dc-17" is that it looks integrally suppressed. I think it'd be a cool idea to have a suppressed as well as non-surppressed version that you just swap between whenever you wanna switch
My two cents on the matter are that if DICE had made proper Battlefront games with some of the following things in mind alongside their gorgeous graphics, our collective SW itch would have been taken care of but alas...
- Galactic conquest progression
- Seamless space to ground and vice versa transition
- Class based gameplay like in the classic BF and older Battlefield games
- Variety of maps, some of which to be infantry only like CS or the BF3 Close Quarters ex.pack, others with an emphasis on large scale vehicle battles and the rest a combination of the two (also done before in old Battlefield tittles)
- Objectcive based gameplay just like in both Enemy Territory tittles (Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Quake Wars)
- Minor weapon and gadget customisation without breaking the lore
- Lore accurate apperance customisation (no helmetless stormtroopers)
- Force abalities, heroes/vilians and light saber wielders only be playble on specific arena type maps against each other and NOT versus regular soldiers (Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy)
- Galactic civil war and clone wars scenarios (NO sequel garbage content)
"But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet. Tread softly because you tread on my dreams."
maybe added stuff from mandalorian and whatever disney doing for live action/animated show but probably too much
awesome idea if ever make third game for battlefront series
*Just because Sequels are bad films doesn't mean that their content is garbage!* Some Resistance designes and most of First Order designs are very good and cool! Some concepts from them are great, but ruined by *very poor* execution (because KK decided to LITTERALLY SWITCH PRODUCERS FOR SECOND FILM, which what ruined the Sequels entirely and left producer of the first film try to fix the unfixable stuff of 2nd film in Third installment, which is *entirely* Kathleen Kennedy's fault!), and could be redone or "interpreted" in the other Star Wars media! Also entirety of Resistance show is good Sequel Era content *(even if majority tells you othetwise, because of their scewed expectaitions)* , that often introduces great ideas and concepts into Star Wars, mainly the designs! + most of other Disney content are fine and *should be* included into both this video's and your's games!
So I wouldn't cut out those parts from your "dream game" if I were you. But it's entirely your choice and I will understand if you decide to still cut those parts of Star Wars out... Really hope you don't though!
many of the things you mentioned are in DICE'S battlefront 2 though?
"Angels Fall First" game is kinda like this, sadly its kinda dead
Pretty solid ideas. Love that. Could also have a Siege mode like in Jedi Academy. Loved that mode.
Also? Single player Elite Forces could be like classic Rainbow Six games where you gotta plan everything and do your go-codes. You said tactical Star Wars shooter and my brain went there.
These sort of videos are fun.
I think there was a Star Wars mod for Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare
It’s nice to see someone getting as nerdy about Star Wars guns as I do. Westar M5 is a deep cut.
Really cool concept, if only SW was in good hands that cared about making good games still maybe we could have nice things..
Moviebattles 2 is still the only game(mod) that manages to scratch the type of itch I have for Star Wars. If you haven't revisited it relatively recently there was a Mando update where they got options for whistling birds, Amban sniper (w/ taser), and Beskar armor to be blaster/lightsaber resistant; might be worth making a video on
I think Mandos disintegration rifle would be sick as a sniper, I always one shows even if you hit the toe but has one bullet in the chamber making you reload after each shot
16:17 sawed-off Mosin Rifle with barrel GL attachment? That's pretty sick, both in bad and good ways
not to be mean, but that's an SMLE
@@xplomacro8801 ok
No3 to be specific
When i first read the thumbnail i wasnt expecting much, but holy shiite this guy knows his Legends EU! All the CS conversions over to star wars sounds so interesting and bad ass i can do nothing more than applaude
Then i see hea the guy behind the star wars zombies book videos and it al makes sence. Give this guy a patreon coin.
glad i stumbled on this video! very well thought out. wonder about the possibility of making a generic version of this…
3:13, you're an absolute legend for using the BF2 menu music. just hit me with the biggest nostalgia
Respect for getting all the B-roll of each of the Star Wars guns from their respective games, I’m sure that probably took a good minute to edit together
man what a great video, not kidding. thanks for sharing your creative ideas bro. this is awesome, I miss content like this on youtube
Maybe if this video gets popular enough, EA and Lucasfilm Games will reconsider. (who am I kidding, they are dedicated to not giving us what we want.)
Now we need a Ready Or Not style Star Wars game
And if you do end up making a video about this idea of mine i would love to help you figure out the weapons comparison!
only star wars fans can care enough about their franchise to pull shit like this, god's work mate.
23:07 fun fact for non gun nerds: The Sturmgewehr is generally considered to be the first assault rifle predating the AK-47 by four-ish years with the MP43.
That being said I’d love to see an StG-44 to replace either the AK-47 or the scoped version replacing the SG556/553
Why aren’t we funding this
Actually, I would like the idea of multiple bombs that take different times to plant/defuse, giving different cash rewards and them making different sounds. I'd really like that
Elite Force (and the acronym SWEF) is also the name of a fantastic SWAT 4 mod, which just makes me long for a star wars SWAT 4 mod lmao
i cannot stress enough how much i would love this, well made of you
Notably about the trandoshan scattergun- It's explicitly stated in RC to not be a slugthrower. When Boss picks it up, he thinks it is, before realizing it's a blaster designed to resemble one and makes a comment about lizards having nostalgia.
Great video, enjoyed your concepts for the guns
Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head with this one. As long as it’s set in EU Star Wars and not disney canon I’d be quite happy with it.
I feel like the Amban phase-pulse blaster that Din Djarin uses would be a more iconic disintegration sniper rifle to use to replace the AWP. That fork design on the barrel is so cool.
What a great video! Really makes you think of all the things that could be😢
Would absolutely love it. Great video.
Finally, someone else who fixates and tinkers on stuff like this! You've earned a new subscriber, sir.
Videos like these remind me of why i like star wars. Its got so much military lore that i love. And then i watch disney stuff and they tread the same ground constantly
I wish there were more videos like this. Absolutely amazing concept that I wish was real
Hearing the Battlefield 2 Menu music playing has filled me with so much nostalga
I have had this exact same idea and I'm glad I'm not the only one
24:17 "Oh! I don't care what universe you're from, that's gotta hurt!"
I did not see it while watching star wars as a kid, but now, it is so clear that the T-21 is just a Lewis Gun without the pan mag XD
The Golan Arms CR-1 would make a good shotgun available to both sides. It was indeed used by both the Empire and Rebel Alliance.
Lifelong Star Wars fan, Counter Strike Player and Indie Game Dev. I love this idea. I wish I could make this. My literally only critique is, I'd like to see factions from all eras. Clones vs Droids, the factions you listed, even the old republic era and sequels would be cool.
Just a fun note: the A-280 blasters have two different variants, the regular A-280 and the A-280C, both commonly used by rebels but the regular A-280 is LITERALLY an AR-15 made blaster, while the A-280C is an STG-44.
This is a great idea. I do have my own opinions about a couple guns though.
(*BTW, edit is just spelling errors being fixed)
> The AWP: Like many others, I think Din Djarin's disruptor rifle would be much better in terms of both looks and lore
- Looks: It already looks like a sniper-esque rifle without a complete redesign
- Lore: Like the disintegrator blaster you suggested, disruptor rifles are also heavily regulated
> The K-47:
I'm sorry, but I just dont see the MP-40 in it and it still looks too much like an AK so here's what I'd do;
- Flip the barrel and the gas tube and have no wood on the front like how a real PKM machine gun does, and you can still even keep an AK sized barrel and receiver
- Make it look left handed(like how the DC-15 does)
- Remove the charging handle and put in a tibana gas magazine(which means removing the AK magazine and just having a flat bottom on the receiver. Plus, since the gas tube doesnt actually have to push back the bolt like it does on a real AK, you could say the inverted gas tube actually takes any overpressure/excess tibana gas and puts it back into the magazine making your ammo for it last a little longer.
- For the stock, you could even keep a normal AK stock or come up with something that looks a little more Star Wars fitting.
TL:DR
Make the AWP Din Djarin's disruptor rifle, and make a few changes to the K-47.
I honestly love this idea. I grew up with Star Wars. The games, Action figures, Lego Star Wars, and of course occasionally playing squad Star Wars or arms 3 Star Wars. It is the best idea to see if 3rd developers could make this game since this would get a lot of people playing it
This is my dream game, hopefully one day someone gets to make this, I started playing Battlefront 2 because I wanted this kind of stuff, wasn't disappointed because it's a great game by itself but I would absolutely love for this to become a reality eventually, I mean whoever does it will make a LOT of money so hopefully some company manages to realize soon.
Im so glad you picked the disruptor rifle as the AWP replacement c:
I always think about how an Empire VS Rebellion game similar to Insurgency Sandstorm could work very well.
bro actually really cooked with this one, damn. Consider me subscribed
I want to see you do more star wars game concepts like this.
didnt have to go so hard with the ak, but you did, and i thank you for that
Really cool vid. One problem though: the name. There's already a (very kick-ass) Star Trek FPS called "Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force", with a sequel simply called "Star Trek: Elite Force II". It runs on the Quake 3 engine so it's an arena shooter, not a tactical one, but the similarity is there. I actually recommend any FPS fan play it regardless if you're into Star Trek because it's a really cool game.
I've had a similar idea for a tactical hero shooter like VALORANT but with bounty hunters or mandalorians as the hero characters! Would love to see a competitive fast TTK tactical shooter set in SW one day...
Sounds like sick game, AAA gaming companies need to understand that is is this easy to make good Star Wars games. I also want a band of brothers style clone wars game where you play as a clone. Maybe through the campaign you watch your Jedi general die and their padawan take over. See the clone wars through a boots on the ground approach.
23:07 that gun is called a Sturmgeweher. For short, it’s called the STG-44, and it influenced the Soviet invention, the AK-47.
Im still mad that battlefront 3 was not done just to make 2042 which was a fail at the start
blame EA and DICE for not giving us perfect battlefront game since OG battlefront 2004-2005
Ahhhh when I see Jedi outcast and Academy Im always happy :}
Its a shame that no company did anything to revive this two. But one day maybe I will be able to do with mine.
Great video, so nice to see someone making this concept. ( And can I maybe make something like this, it would be fun :} )
ummm..... YES 😢
3:04 The Legends tab... wait... is this a sign? Is the game gonna be... GOOD?
OH MY GOD HE'S USING LEGENDS! WE ARE EATING GOOD, LADS!
you should switch the weapons for the UMP and P90. The UMP one even has the top magazine like the P90
Heartbreaking how the term tactical shooter has evolved from things like Swat 4 and Republic Commando to just CS clones
The big clone rifle is the DC-15A, there's also the DC-15LE with was used for Designated Marskmans
It would be cool if, depending on the state of the match, different types of Clone Trooper and Rebel models would show up; like the further the match goes into, the more "elite-ish" the models are
Dude I was literally thinking about how cool this could be like a weeek ago.
My dude you can make a better Shadow Run clone than a counter strike clone!
I don’t think Star Wars will ever get smaller scale, inventive, and unique games again. It’s too big. Too much risk. Gotta appeal to as many people as possible.
[This is a repost of a reply in one of local comment threads, on the idea of Star Wars "lore-effective on all" analoges of existing Counter Strike grenades.]
We could just add new alternative versions to existing grenades:
flash would be throwable sensor scrambler, which would affect both droids and Trooper helmet visors, with a byproduct of a short intense light flash that affects normal organics eyes; literally copy-paste Electric Smoke from Titanfall, but grenade and lighting is weak enough to only block visors/photo-sensors; fire grenades could be replaced by Star Wars version of thermite, but with *relativly* short duration.
Boom, done! And if lore questions arise, just tell that those grenades are hard and long to produce, hence when aquiring them, they get reserved to certain Special Forces, usually the ones with bigger influence and favor (it's true for ALL big enough factions in Star Wars).
the random cuts to "ELITE FORCES" killed me
Change I would make for the rifles is the M4A4 and M4A1.
There is literally a gun in Battlefront II called the A280-CFE that uses an AR-15 Lower and Upper receiver. Make two variants of that as the replacements. Way better equivalent to the guns in CSGO.
The regular A280 you included to replace the sg-553 is the gun based off the STG-44. The one I’m talking about is the one based off the AR-15. Check it out.
to be fair, most blasters have a stun setting so any pistol sized blaster could be used for the taser
After watching Eyepatch Wolf’s video on fake games, I think this is well timed. Great job!
As a star wars nerd I will say i do have a slightly differnet approach when it comes to the weapons
Personally id probably replace the RT-97 with the DLT-19, i think its more iconic
For the imperial side when it comes to blasters id probably have the DC-15C be the famas replacment and then have the death troopers E11D act as the silenced option
Other than that the weapons are solid
Also a fun mechanic
So blasters rely on power packs and tibana gas, what could be fun is every like 3 or 5 magazines you have to replace the tibana gas cartridge, if your a good enough shot you can shoot said cartridge in order to blow up the user and kill them and people in a small radius
Saintmillion you are my favorite RUclipsr
for the disruptor as being official cannon and used (and very cool blast) the T-7 ion disruptor rifle, it could have the only sniper capability of obliterating the shield and overpenetrating like the awp
I like how he mentioned the MG-15 but didn't mention that the Jawa blaster was based of an Obrez which is lirerally a sawed off Mosin Negant.
the intro describes the game in its entirety.
I love this
Since this is just fantasizing about what would be cool - I think it might be neat to have droid operatives that are more spongy/have high armor but can be more seriously impaired/disabled by ion rounds, so you have another ammo type to consider on the load out and a reason to swap based on the team composition
What's confusing to me is that those Storm Commandos appear in the X-Wing novels, except there they are called Storm*trooper* Commandos and don't wear black scout armour but regular Stormtrooper armour in slate grey....
Personally I wouldn't have gone with so many clone wars era weapons when the factions are Rebels vs Imps, but it's a cool concept!
This is a perfect project for an Operation Harsh Doorstop mod
Well I mean where im studying there is a possibility to do a final project and we need to do a 3D videogame. I think my team and I and with the help of the fans maybe we can make this into reality.
9:50 the summit1g comparison blew my mind
Interesting fact: the droids army E-5 didn´t have cooling systems, as the droids could not burn from those temperatures, making the weapon even cheaper to manufacture.
I fucking love everything about this. Very well thought out! Now hopefully some modders can make this a reality
the best star wars game I've played isn't even a star wars game. It was squad with the star wars mod.
This needs to be made
I’ve been playing a lot of counter strike lately. Now I wish I could play this
Very sad the ludicrously long DC-17s didn’t make the cut, but I love your choices!
Could've done the E-11D for the M4A1-S. I know it's not a suppressed E-11 but it's Spec Ops so could make a mod of it like the DC-19.