A huge portion of LeBron's legacy is based on him playing in the weakest conference during one of the most lop-sided stretches in NBA history where one conference was considerably stronger than the other. Jordan actually went through the more difficult conference in his career.
Don’t forget that he also joined and needed to team up with Wade and Bosh just to win too. MJ definitely had a tougher path and Kobe spent 20 years in that tough Western conference and made it out with rings.
08-09 was the only time east was the better conf when lbj played for cle and miami while during mj's time with the bulls years 84-89, 1993 and 96-98 a total of 10 seasons east was the better conf.
In Jordan's era the east was better up until 1992. As neither the Celtics nor the Pistons were title contenders anymore while teams like the Suns, Trailblazers, Rockets, Jazz, Supersonics, and even the Spurs started to dominate the NBA, alongside the Bulls. But it didn't matter as the Bulls defeated them in the finals. But the difference was made clear in Lebron's era as he was cruising past the east while losing in 6 or less games in the finals by the Spurs, Macs, and Warriors, and even missing on the playoffs or not making it out of the conference when he moved to the west.
I just pointed this out to somebody else. From 2003-2018, when Lebron was in the East: The East had 38 teams with 50 wins or more and 15 teams with 20 wins or fewer. The West had 72 teams with 50 wins or more and 8 teams with 20 wins or fewer. It's not even close.
Skap at it again. Thanks Bro 👍🏾 This is not a debate. Lebronze waits for players to become all-star caliber players then team up with them, Jordan won with whoever the hell was there. Keep Going Skap 💪🏾
My absolute pleasure! And you're absolutely right, this is NOT a debate. The true debate is Kobe and Bron. And to be honest, Kobe ALSO EASILY clears Bron...
A video breakdown of how the nba now counts assist needs to be made. We always here that crap about LeBron makes teammates better just because of the amount of assists he gets. But the nba counts what a assist is vastly different than Jordan's times. In today's game guys can make a basketball move, do whatever and it still will count as a assist because he had received a pass. In Jordan's time for it to count as a assist the pass had to lead to a direct bucket. Obviously the nba changed it just to improve guys stats. There's no other reason to change that. How many more assist would Jordan have with today's standards?
I think the latter you said was actually being a rule in 1960s for assist scoring. In 1980s they allow a player to dribble the ball just 1 time before he shoots off a pass for an assist.
MJ, Kobe, Magic, Larry Legend and everyone great player prior to lefraud OWNS him. Only lefraud THINKS he is better than everyone else. typical narcissistic mentality.
@@skap_attack Bleacher report top 50 best NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 6. Shaq O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant
MJ is the fake GOAT because he NEVER won an NBA "In-Season Tournament". Only only superstar has done so, LeCommie James. All others suck. espn talking heads proclaimed so and we cannot disagree with them or we are heretics. ONLY THE LAKERS have an In-Season Tournament Championship Banner hung in their arena. End of discussion. Kobe couldn't do it, only LeBaby James. Long live Queen James!
Yessir! Good way to watch a video and eat my lunch with. I love this guys content and his videos are like documentaries. My favorite though, when he flames lechoke
Growing up in the 80's and 90's I did not like Jordan for no other reason than he was not playing for my team. In the 2000's as adult and looking back I learned to respect him. Now I am proud to be on his side on this ridiculous GOAT conversation. It's not even close.
Imagine if Lebron ever had to play those Pistons. It'd be non stop flopping and Rodman / Laimbeer would have absolutely made him cry. Jordan's competition was WAY more physical.
The crazy part is all Jordan needed to dominate the league and win 6 titles was literally one all star and a 35 year old Rodman who averaged 5 points. Imagine if mid-late 80’s Jordan had 2 all stars by his side against the Celtics and the Pistons? He took Birds Celtics to 6 games with not a single all star on his team, while playing against one of the best teams in nba history. Imagine just giving him even one all star who could put up 15 points a game. He’d likely have gotten at least 2-3 titles in the 80’s as you can’t tell me that a guy who almost took down some of the best teams ever assembled with not a single all star on his team would not have at the very least grabbed a few titles if he had even a borderline all star as a number 2. Give him a James Worthy or Parish level player and he add’s at least 2 rings minimum. If he had 2 other all stars with him? I’d bet the house he’d have at least 9 rings. Also imagine if he never retired and instead of missing 1 season and coming back at the end of a second he stays with the bulls and they have that additional all star. Jordan legitimately might have 10+ titles. Hell, if he was Lebron he’d prob just join Bird, win the entire mid to end of the 80’s, then go back to the bulls dominate the 90’s, then finish it off with joining up with Shaq yo add some rings as he was out of his prime. If he wanted the east way, he could have just hopped around like Lebron from super team to super team but unlike Lebron winning 3 titles and a Disney invitational he might surpass Russell who played in a league with 8 damn teams😂 The fact anyone actually thinks Lebron surpasses Jordan is a testament to how powerful the media is at shaping peoples views. They’ve got millions convinced a dude who didn’t even dominate his own era is the greatest player ever😂 But hey, don’t worry they won the “in season tournament” and literally hung a banner and popped champagne all for beating a set of teams with losing records, none of which are even close to being contenders
Keep it up brother....I dont even think im old but apparently I am at 33, so it is what it is!.... obviously Jordan is miles ahead of Lebron and Kobe is at least 1 mile ahead of him if not more
Michael Jordan did something Randy Macho Man Savage & The Nature Boy Ric Flair said you must do the be the man & that is "To be the Man You have to beat the Man!" & the man was Magic Johnson. Jordan did that in his first NBA Finals & everyone know Magic was the man & the legend * greatest point guard of all time. Michael Jordan is the Greatest basketball player of All time 🏀
The fact that anyone says that this is a debate, shows how dumb they are and how they're just being stans. If you covered the names and just presented all the arguments to someone who barely knows the NBA, just enjoys playing, it would be so open and shut, case closed. Why? Because about halfway through, the barely knows NBA person would simply go like this: "Wait a second. This guys has little to no flaws or big talking point knocks on his game and career, and this other guy has HOW many brown stains??? And omg, wait a second: you mean to tell me you're trying to say this guy,,who has played for 21 years, is BETTER than this guy with more accolades and championships in just over HALF the amount of time??? Who are these people making this an argument? I can't Take it, you're goofing on me, you're telling me to choose the best between Kevin Duckworth and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, righ?? Hah ha I now, its 4/1/24, April F... come again? Not a joke,, this is a REAL thing people fight over??? How?? No convincing arguments for why you ain't the best, and achieved all thay glory in almost 10 less years? What psycho or alien life new to earth is making this an argument?it's a clear cut choice! 😂😂😂"
SKAP ATTACK, man, you are the GOAT of smack on LeBron!!! LeBron is "lucky" he is in the NBA post Jordan era...Jordan had a LOT of great players to play against, starting w/ Magic/Kareem/Worthy at the Lakers, Bird/Dr. J/Wilkins/Drexler/Malone, and just as MJ solidified his mojo and Phil J put together the Dream Team for the Bulls, he had to man up against young lions like Barkley, thugs at Knicks, Gary Payton, Kevin Garnett, Shaq, David Robinson, Iverson, Kobe Bryant (who emulated MJ down to 90% plus his own moves)....
Come on man STEP YA GAME UP! 86" Celtics Larry bird who was a dominate player announce and cleary stated " GOD disguise as Michael Jordan " enough said..... BUT wait THERE'S MORE Most players state "Don't trash talk Jordan or else" Now let's look at LeChoke "turnover king" Oh thats right NOBODY fears him, no player on Bird level in todays league has EVER said anything close about him as they did Jordan. Remember the all stats game where kobe shut LeChoke down. LeChoke was afraid and passed ball Embrassingly away. Does that look like a goat to you? Meanwhile Jordan hitting game winning shot he wasn't suppose to take but knew he could make as FRESHMAN to win NCAA. Remember patterns ,past performance is a future indicator. Every step of Jordan was step to become goat, while LeChoke was a step in shadow he could never fill.....
Whatever team MJ plays on , that team automatically becomes dangerous and competitive because we know MJ23 shall "will" the team to win because he will be the 1st one to give his all 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
The worst debate in sports history. This phony debate is so bad, it killed sports media for good. That's why I call these mf's fake media and evert poll I've seen on who's better between MJ and Lebron. MJ 💨 Lebron like a cigar. Keep the videos coming Skap 👏🏼
It might have been the saddest shit I've ever heard him say... He's so insecure it's unbelievable - one of the reasons he's he'll never get that respect he's so desperate for.
@@skap_attack When Lebum wins he's the reason his team won, when the SUPERTEAM loses it's collectively his teammates, coaches, and the front office's fault. There was never a debate for Lebroom to surpass MJ. 😂😂😂
Damn Skap...if you continue to spit facts like this,they might put a warrant out for your arrest. It's almost criminal to be this good at what you do 👍🏽.
You forgot to mention how MJ managed to sweep the Pistons. Not running from the grind and taking his talents to the western conference, but going to the gym and adding 15 pounds of muscle in a single summer to withstand the beating. Now thats my GOAT, not the soft little boy LeBum.
Inb4 someone makes excuses that the pistons got old thats why they got beat. Pistons aint even top 10 of the oldest team to win a championship. 98 bulls manage to win and they were the oldest along with 97 and 96 which are #4 and #6 respectively. Also key players to that pistons team were under 30 and in their prime especially Thomas, Rodman and Dumars. The only "old" key player was Laimbeer who was 33. COmpare to 98 bulls, MJ was 34, Pip 32, Rodman 36, Harper 34 and even Kerr was 32.
The one thing you can cover is the stats of games during Lebron's 07 run to the finals. There were several times players on that cavs team outplayed Lebron especially in that Detroit series. Its why the media only talks about game 5. But not the game that really mattered, which was game 6. I just find it funny how his fans call his teammates bums, when those bum teammates outplayed Lebron several times including shutting Duncan down to his worse playoff performance of the year. Those Cavs wouldn't have gotten swept had Lebron played like he did in the regular season or at least play like an all time great
That 07 Cavs team was filled with solid veterans who might not be All-Stars, but they provided good leadership and outstanding effort. That Cavs team ranked 2nd in defense and 3rd in offense for the entire playoffs in 07, no other team in the eastern conference ranked in the top 5, and you don’t get top 3 in both of those categories because of 1 player, it’s a team effort there. LeBron played great in spots in those playoffs, but he also shot 42% from the field and 28% from 3 for the playoffs, he was good but nothing special.
@@jacobtaylor508 LeBron fans logic is if a player isn't an all star or hall of famer than he is a bum. And they say that because they don't watch the games. Like just because a player avg 10ppg as the third or 4th option on a team don't make him a bum. It is what it is.
It is crazy how many legends this guy kept from getting a ring. Lol, how do you dominate a sport for a whole decade essentially? Also, retiring and coming back to three peat again sounds like some scripted movie scene to describe an unstoppable villain.
Karl Malone Charles Barkley Patrick Ewing John Stockton Reggie Miller Clyde Drexler Magic Johnson when going up against MJ none of these guys won. Infact Karl Malone an Patrick Ewing resumes would be way better if Jordan parents never met. Karl Malone would have like 5 scoring titles an 2 more mvps an Ewings Knicks would've came out the East more. Lebronze prevents nothing.
* MJ23 had 3 International/FIBA Level GOLD Medals. - '83 Pan-Am Games (Continental Games) - '84 LA Olympics - '92 Barcelona Olympics * MJ23 had the better and more loved Movie and Movie Soundtrack 😊 Space Jam 1 💪🏻😁
I have no clue how this is even a debate SMFH!!! I got goosebumps watching MJ play…Nowadays I prefer watch college basketball than watch Lebron & these other entitled clowns play or rest or do whatever they want in this collapsing league.
@@skap_attackread my comment above ☝🏿 your right this debate is only media Propaganda, He’s the only player that Doesn’t Drop for having 3rd All Time Finals Losses
You’re missing out on all the flops, travel no-calls, no defense gameplay and all the me-moments these ego players have. Reconsider coming back to the circus.
@@PanchoVillasTortillaLeFraud damn sure to keep stacking stats against scrub teams while playing on a team of scrubs his fans are too stupid to see or they just blind themselves. Pre school kid logic: the monster ain't in the closet if I don't look that way 😅😅😅
@@PanchoVillasTortillaalso great username fam 🇲🇽 let's keep an eye out for Jaquez Jr representing la Raza. Pancho Villa when real man rolled the earth not like this coward LeFraud circus show 🤡🤡
20 - 25 points per game. There are many players more skill, more smart, more athletic, better coachs, better tactic, and way better in scoring and defense.
Excellent, excellent, excellent video! You forest fired the facts on this one! Keep on destroying these asinine LeBron goat takes. Those of us that appreciate real basketball enjoys these videos.
Michael Jordan's first 667 games (Pre-Retirement) 1984-93 3 Rings (6 career total) 3 NBA MVPs (5 career total) 3 Finals MVPs (6 career total) 7 scoring titles (10 career total) 3 steals titles Defensive player of the year Lebron James Career (1346 games) 2003-present 3 Rings A NBA MVPs 3 Finals MVPs 1 scoring title This Debate was Media Driven No Player who is 3rd All Time Finals Losses Is Top 5
LeFlop is no. 31 all time to me. His 6 finals losses and 33 finals games defeats along with his infamous 8 point game in 2011 Finals are his biggest blemishes in his resume.
@@jordansoviet23bron def ain’t my goat but the finals losses argument is just brain dead. How’s it worse to make it to the finals than to lose in the 1st or 2nd round. Never made sense to me
@@TheZachAttackG I with you that it definitely doesn’t hurt Stockton and Malone losing to THE GOAT, especially when they took one of the best teams ever who swept everyone else to 6 games. But, LeBron was gifted so many chances in a pathetic eastern conference, as Skap detailed wonderfully in the difficulty of opponents, that those finals were his only real series and he choked most of them. He was playing 40 win teams while Jordan played 60 win teams
One player completely dominated the league...twice. The other literally called his friend and said we need to make a super team because Kobe is winning too much! That says it all. Skap on point as always with the analysis to drive the point home with stats and narrative.
Skap does it again, another goated video. I refuse to believe anyone that watched Michael play thinks LeBron is better, it's legitimately kind of appalling to me.
ive heard ppl who saw mike play debate it but the only argument they use is that they think lebron is "physically better" even though mike was tougher, faster, quicker & jumped higher 💀
Yeah, if people that watched MJ play think Lebron is better, they don't know stats, don't know defense, don't care about winning, and just like watching LeChoke be the turnover GOAT.
MJ's career is just incredible, it's an absolute example of hard work, and perseverance, and success. This video is so unbelievably true, it clearly proves that Lebron is the fakest player I have ever seen, with this f****** debate totally fabricated by the media. Lebron has never been at MJ's level at any point in his career. I love these videos!!!🏀😊😉👌💯Thanks!
but nearly every statistical indicator says different, other than number of championships. FAKE player with the most points in NBA history. top 5 in Assists (think about that, Michael not even in the top 30 of assists. If leBron were as selfish shooting as Michael was....the points record would never be broken)
@@jeremycrowley8628 Yet Jordan is third all-time (Drexler, DWade) in apg among pure SG's. Remind me again, what is the position called that MJ played his whole career? Oh, snap, it has the word SHOOTING right in its title, thus implying that he's supposed to, ya' know, SHOOT. This doesn't make him selfish (especially when he's routinely above 50% FG) it just makes him a guy that is _correctly_ playing his position.
Interesting side fact: LeBron's teams were the only teams that got swept by that opponent in 2007 (Spurs), 2018 (Warriors) and 2020 (Nuggets). Every other team got at least one win against those teams, some even pushed it to 7 games. But of cooourse that 2018 Warriors was "absolutely invincible". :D
Always appreciate these videos. They’re like an antidote to the amount of Lepoison I have to put up with on social media. I mean the fact that he’s currently first in all star voting is just…
LOLOL not even a top 15 player currently..."first in all star voting" SMH. And it is my pleasure. Hell I make them largely as therapy for those asinine social media posts I choke on daily.
@ClayJunior-lf2qeI like channels like this because they actually expose the hard truths that you won’t see in todays media. Past legends getting disrespected just so lebron can look better in the goat debate really says something. All in all of course Lebron is a top 5 player and will be remembered but he brings the hate to himself.
This a great comment I'm sure his media clowns are working the strings somehow to corrupt this, I would like to know how it is being regulated , for real it needs to be investigated Rick this is looking highly suspicious
31 pts, 11 ast, 6.5 reb in a playoff run. Wow. Lebron has never done that. And they say MJ couldn't and would'nt pass? I wish every LeBum fan would watch this video, and several more on your channel
When lechit says that he is the greatest player do you notice how he looks down. Because he knows it isn’t true and he can’t look anyone in the eye when saying
The 06-07 Cave had dudes who could play defense and shoot 3's. A.I in the 01 finals would have loved to be on a team that can shoot 3's instead of just being really good on defense.
You killing it as per usual, Skap! Never thought way back at the beginning of the 2003-04 season how the league would slowly but evidently be held hostage by the narratives of LeTurnover and Unclutch media. What he doesn’t seem to realize by now that he’ll never “catch that ghost in Chicago”…or the ones in the Boston rafters or those of the purple and gold (pre rigged cupcake cup tournament). The longer he plays, diluting his legacy further by each game, each loss along the way only adds even more pressure to his son to follow. All that to say, this conversation will be beaten to smithereens but MJ will always be the GOAT and LeBricklayer will _never_ be close.
Speaking about bricks Notice the media completely not mentioning ANYTHING about those 3 missed free throws against Memphis but the NBA yt channel made sure to damn make a video about his made 3s while he was fresh in the 1st quarter They just straight up lying and hiding anything that will deminish this clown
No one who is known for flopping could ever be considered the goat. Could you imagine Jordan rolling around on the floor like a crybaby!? Nah bro, he told his teammates don't show your anger don't show your frustration. G o a t
what you have just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this conversation is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. Pressure? Jesus Christ smh.
This dude absolutely flames lebron at least once a week 😂😂😂😂i love it
LOL at least!...and MANY thanks to you for tuning in. I appreciate you!!
Ohhh I love ❤️ it 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂torch that Lefraud all day errryyyyday
i swear 😂🤣
its the BEST!!!
Same voice destroying Lebron every week new vid that dishes out Lebron as garbage 😂
I'm loving every minute of it
A huge portion of LeBron's legacy is based on him playing in the weakest conference during one of the most lop-sided stretches in NBA history where one conference was considerably stronger than the other. Jordan actually went through the more difficult conference in his career.
Don’t forget that he also joined and needed to team up with Wade and Bosh just to win too.
MJ definitely had a tougher path and Kobe spent 20 years in that tough Western conference and made it out with rings.
08-09 was the only time east was the better conf when lbj played for cle and miami while during mj's time with the bulls years 84-89, 1993 and 96-98 a total of 10 seasons east was the better conf.
@@gambitacio No fugazzi mickey mouse rings either!
In Jordan's era the east was better up until 1992. As neither the Celtics nor the Pistons were title contenders anymore while teams like the Suns, Trailblazers, Rockets, Jazz, Supersonics, and even the Spurs started to dominate the NBA, alongside the Bulls. But it didn't matter as the Bulls defeated them in the finals.
But the difference was made clear in Lebron's era as he was cruising past the east while losing in 6 or less games in the finals by the Spurs, Macs, and Warriors, and even missing on the playoffs or not making it out of the conference when he moved to the west.
I just pointed this out to somebody else.
From 2003-2018, when Lebron was in the East:
The East had 38 teams with 50 wins or more and 15 teams with 20 wins or fewer.
The West had 72 teams with 50 wins or more and 8 teams with 20 wins or fewer.
It's not even close.
Lol when LeBron loses it's "we" but when LeBron wins "that one right there, made me the greatest of all-time"
And Kyrie was the real mvp
That sounds familiar!! Didn't come from Lebron first.
@@jakedavis6835
Kyrie, Love, Allen, Wade and Davis got him rings he's a overhyped Role player
That 59-point game of Jordans against the Pistons' top defense was crazy. He was 24 years old.
He had 61 points in 1987 as well.
@@jordansoviet23 yup against 5 HOF.
@@izzy2802 and he got swept
@asgerschmidt4376 when did he get swept by the pistons?
@@asgerschmidt4376 he never got swept by the pistons. only the goat celtics team that all leseuxal. cooked lil bro
Skap at it again. Thanks Bro 👍🏾 This is not a debate. Lebronze waits for players to become all-star caliber players then team up with them, Jordan won with whoever the hell was there. Keep Going Skap 💪🏾
My absolute pleasure! And you're absolutely right, this is NOT a debate. The true debate is Kobe and Bron. And to be honest, Kobe ALSO EASILY clears Bron...
@@skap_attackThat is more realistic an Kobe is ahead I agree.
The real debate:
Which upcoming all-star will LeFraud hop in bed with next 🔥🔥🔥
The LeDelusionals drooling on that one for sure
Please continue to keep this media and Fanboys in line 👍🏼
Jordan was at his best in the playoffs, Lebron is at his worst in the playoffs.
A video breakdown of how the nba now counts assist needs to be made. We always here that crap about LeBron makes teammates better just because of the amount of assists he gets. But the nba counts what a assist is vastly different than Jordan's times. In today's game guys can make a basketball move, do whatever and it still will count as a assist because he had received a pass. In Jordan's time for it to count as a assist the pass had to lead to a direct bucket. Obviously the nba changed it just to improve guys stats. There's no other reason to change that. How many more assist would Jordan have with today's standards?
I think the latter you said was actually being a rule in 1960s for assist scoring. In 1980s they allow a player to dribble the ball just 1 time before he shoots off a pass for an assist.
Seeing a new Skap video always brings a smile to my face 😎
Jordan built a dynasty from nothing to win titles.
LeBron joined superteams to go 4-10 in the finals.
Imagine thinking the second guy is better. 😂😂😂
the mere fact that lbj left to get his rings should end the debate...shouldnt have started.
Straight FACTS! 🔥
MJ, Kobe, Magic, Larry Legend and everyone great player prior to lefraud OWNS him. Only lefraud THINKS he is better than everyone else. typical narcissistic mentality.
On Point 💯
He's not even at Kobe's level.
'2' MORE championships 'and' NO LOSSES [in the finals]!
That 2007 eastern conference playoff was the worst ever
Only to be outdone by Cleveland’s 2015-2018 cakewalk jobs
Jordan played every single game all out. He never went on the court without leaving everything there.
Larry Bird is WAY better than LeFraud, and I hate the Celtics!
Bros making a living off LeBron what a bum 😭😭😭
what debate?! 😂 lebron isn't even close.
I agree. LeBron is closer to 10 than he is to 1.
@@skap_attack
Bleacher report top 50 best NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
6. Shaq O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Bleacher report got Kobe #14
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.5%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 39,440✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 33,643
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 2,327✔️ (7th all time)
Kobe 1,827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,227✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 1,093✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 79.53✔️
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series
LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
This content creator never fails to make me laugh when he toasts LeFlop weekly. 🤣🤣🤣
Adrian Dantley was also a Hofer on those Detroit teams before they trade him for Mark Aguirre who also has a strong HOF case.
then who's still playing and the other is in the HOF?
To this day, LeFlop will always be serving Mike's coffee and slippers.
MJ is the fake GOAT because he NEVER won an NBA "In-Season Tournament". Only only superstar has done so, LeCommie James. All others suck. espn talking heads proclaimed so and we cannot disagree with them or we are heretics. ONLY THE LAKERS have an In-Season Tournament Championship Banner hung in their arena. End of discussion. Kobe couldn't do it, only LeBaby James. Long live Queen James!
Much ❤ SKAP. Keep on cooking that bbq (LeBum Lames) chicken boss! That Clown is finger linking good😂
Yessir! Good way to watch a video and eat my lunch with. I love this guys content and his videos are like documentaries. My favorite though, when he flames lechoke
if Bill Laimbeer gets HOF I'll actually be mad
Is LeBum still reading that book he used to carry to all the post-game press conferences?
i love your uploads bro. nothing hater about it. just bringing reality to the disillusioned with nothing but facts. shit is objective
Jordan
Growing up in the 80's and 90's I did not like Jordan for no other reason than he was not playing for my team.
In the 2000's as adult and looking back I learned to respect him.
Now I am proud to be on his side on this ridiculous GOAT conversation. It's not even close.
Yep, in a much smaller-man league.
If the 90s were like today micheal woulda been playing with Barkley and Ewing imagine
The only modern player Ive ever seen sink as many circus shots as MJ is Ja Morant.
This video made me shed a happy tear!!!
Russell Westbrook ,Dwight Howard are also All-Star..
Imagine if Lebron ever had to play those Pistons. It'd be non stop flopping and Rodman / Laimbeer would have absolutely made him cry. Jordan's competition was WAY more physical.
Love this video as always 😂
Didn’t Daniel Gibson carry lebron to that first finals? Dude got 31 against the pistons while lebron choked
MJ , GOAT 💯 all day , every day !
Im awaiting that 00’s decade goat I know its gonna be a good one. The 10’s should be a funny one too. Love that truth thats gets talked here
Let’s not forget that KD joining GS was just Lebron’s Karma for joining the Heat
So let's ignore the reality of athletes in general getting better overall from prior years/eras 😂
Laimbeer being up for the hall finally makes me so happy
Lets go lol next do Lebron James vs Scottie PIppen that's more up his alley
The crazy part is all Jordan needed to dominate the league and win 6 titles was literally one all star and a 35 year old Rodman who averaged 5 points. Imagine if mid-late 80’s Jordan had 2 all stars by his side against the Celtics and the Pistons? He took Birds Celtics to 6 games with not a single all star on his team, while playing against one of the best teams in nba history. Imagine just giving him even one all star who could put up 15 points a game. He’d likely have gotten at least 2-3 titles in the 80’s as you can’t tell me that a guy who almost took down some of the best teams ever assembled with not a single all star on his team would not have at the very least grabbed a few titles if he had even a borderline all star as a number 2. Give him a James Worthy or Parish level player and he add’s at least 2 rings minimum. If he had 2 other all stars with him? I’d bet the house he’d have at least 9 rings. Also imagine if he never retired and instead of missing 1 season and coming back at the end of a second he stays with the bulls and they have that additional all star. Jordan legitimately might have 10+ titles. Hell, if he was Lebron he’d prob just join Bird, win the entire mid to end of the 80’s, then go back to the bulls dominate the 90’s, then finish it off with joining up with Shaq yo add some rings as he was out of his prime. If he wanted the east way, he could have just hopped around like Lebron from super team to super team but unlike Lebron winning 3 titles and a Disney invitational he might surpass Russell who played in a league with 8 damn teams😂 The fact anyone actually thinks Lebron surpasses Jordan is a testament to how powerful the media is at shaping peoples views. They’ve got millions convinced a dude who didn’t even dominate his own era is the greatest player ever😂 But hey, don’t worry they won the “in season tournament” and literally hung a banner and popped champagne all for beating a set of teams with losing records, none of which are even close to being contenders
Keep it up brother....I dont even think im old but apparently I am at 33, so it is what it is!.... obviously Jordan is miles ahead of Lebron and Kobe is at least 1 mile ahead of him if not more
Michael Jordan did something Randy Macho Man Savage & The Nature Boy Ric Flair said you must do the be the man & that is "To be the Man You have to beat the Man!" & the man was Magic Johnson. Jordan did that in his first NBA Finals & everyone know Magic was the man & the legend * greatest point guard of all time. Michael Jordan is the Greatest basketball player of All time 🏀
Sorry Lebron,you gotta win 10 rings in 1 year to be Skap Attack 🔥
The fact that anyone says that this is a debate, shows how dumb they are and how they're just being stans.
If you covered the names and just presented all the arguments to someone who barely knows the NBA, just enjoys playing, it would be so open and shut, case closed.
Why?
Because about halfway through, the barely knows NBA person would simply go like this:
"Wait a second. This guys has little to no flaws or big talking point knocks on his game and career, and this other guy has HOW many brown stains???
And omg, wait a second: you mean to tell me you're trying to say this guy,,who has played for 21 years, is BETTER than this guy with more accolades and championships in just over HALF the amount of time???
Who are these people making this an argument?
I can't Take it, you're goofing on me, you're telling me to choose the best between Kevin Duckworth and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, righ?? Hah ha I now, its 4/1/24, April F... come again? Not a joke,, this is a REAL thing people fight over??? How??
No convincing arguments for why you ain't the best, and achieved all thay glory in almost 10 less years?
What psycho or alien life new to earth is making this an argument?it's a clear cut choice! 😂😂😂"
SKAP ATTACK, man, you are the GOAT of smack on LeBron!!! LeBron is "lucky" he is in the NBA post Jordan era...Jordan had a LOT of great players to play against, starting w/ Magic/Kareem/Worthy at the Lakers, Bird/Dr. J/Wilkins/Drexler/Malone, and just as MJ solidified his mojo and Phil J put together the Dream Team for the Bulls, he had to man up against young lions like Barkley, thugs at Knicks, Gary Payton, Kevin Garnett, Shaq, David Robinson, Iverson, Kobe Bryant (who emulated MJ down to 90% plus his own moves)....
Lebron is overrated
Jordan is a winner. Lebronze is a whiner.
Come on man STEP YA GAME UP!
86" Celtics Larry bird who was a dominate player announce and cleary stated " GOD disguise as Michael Jordan " enough said.....
BUT wait THERE'S MORE
Most players state "Don't trash talk Jordan or else"
Now let's look at LeChoke "turnover king"
Oh thats right NOBODY fears him, no player on Bird level in todays league has EVER said anything close about him as they did Jordan.
Remember the all stats game where kobe shut LeChoke down. LeChoke was afraid and passed ball Embrassingly away. Does that look like a goat to you?
Meanwhile Jordan hitting game winning shot he wasn't suppose to take but knew he could make as FRESHMAN to win NCAA.
Remember patterns ,past performance is a future indicator. Every step of Jordan was step to become goat, while LeChoke was a step in shadow he could never fill.....
Love for this dude to be on Shannon Sharpe podcast
This is the greatest video of Jordan vs Lebron
Larry Johnson’s hornet team alone in this era would be a contender/finals lock , in Jordan’s era they were a first/second round exit
Whiner vs Winner 😂
Whatever team MJ plays on , that team automatically becomes dangerous and competitive because we know MJ23 shall "will" the team to win because he will be the 1st one to give his all 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Now let us give Lebron his damn respect Skap 😂😂😂
Masterful job. I am here for all the lebron slander. 😂😂😂
The worst debate in sports history. This phony debate is so bad, it killed sports media for good. That's why I call these mf's fake media and evert poll I've seen on who's better between MJ and Lebron. MJ 💨 Lebron like a cigar. Keep the videos coming Skap 👏🏼
" When JJ Barea locked me up and I only scored 8 points, that made me the greatest of all time" Lebron James😂
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" When people asked me How do I stop Jason Terry? That question made me the greatest ( Loser ) of all time"....Lebron James. 🤣🤣
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When my teammate Kyrie hit that game winning 3, that one right there made me the greatest of all time.
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Lebron-"I want my damn respect" also LeBron: 4 game losing streak, and 3-10 since the in-season tournament. while saying he's the "GOAT"
When he wins, its "I", when they're losing its "them" or "we"...
It might have been the saddest shit I've ever heard him say... He's so insecure it's unbelievable - one of the reasons he's he'll never get that respect he's so desperate for.
_"I want my dumb respect"_ proceeds to raise a weightless banner
I can't believe that ignorant shit where he said he is now only 1 behind MJ after the in season tournament...
@@skap_attack When Lebum wins he's the reason his team won, when the SUPERTEAM loses it's collectively his teammates, coaches, and the front office's fault. There was never a debate for Lebroom to surpass MJ. 😂😂😂
Damn Skap...if you continue to spit facts like this,they might put a warrant out for your arrest. It's almost criminal to be this good at what you do 👍🏽.
My man!! You KNOW gotdamn well, I appreciate you 💪🙏👊
@@skap_attack 👊🏽
Too bad it don't matter because Lebronites can't count.
And no amount facts can make them see.
You mean he’s close to having lebron’s team contact him and put him on contract to glaze bron lol. Skap if that ever happens fuck it, take the bag.
@@skap_attackDo a video of how MJ's stats were improving when he was with The Wizards before he was injured
You forgot to mention how MJ managed to sweep the Pistons.
Not running from the grind and taking his talents to the western conference, but going to the gym and adding 15 pounds of muscle in a single summer to withstand the beating. Now thats my GOAT, not the soft little boy LeBum.
Inb4 someone makes excuses that the pistons got old thats why they got beat. Pistons aint even top 10 of the oldest team to win a championship. 98 bulls manage to win and they were the oldest along with 97 and 96 which are #4 and #6 respectively. Also key players to that pistons team were under 30 and in their prime especially Thomas, Rodman and Dumars. The only "old" key player was Laimbeer who was 33. COmpare to 98 bulls, MJ was 34, Pip 32, Rodman 36, Harper 34 and even Kerr was 32.
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Mj had no all stars team mates,..compared to lebron sweep have all star team mates..that's the difference dude
His whole career was a movie. He’ll always be the goat
Swept them dudes while they were beating him up! No bitching at the refs.
Michael Jordan will forever always know as the GOAT of the basketball!!
And greatest player
The one thing you can cover is the stats of games during Lebron's 07 run to the finals. There were several times players on that cavs team outplayed Lebron especially in that Detroit series.
Its why the media only talks about game 5. But not the game that really mattered, which was game 6. I just find it funny how his fans call his teammates bums, when those bum teammates outplayed Lebron several times including shutting Duncan down to his worse playoff performance of the year.
Those Cavs wouldn't have gotten swept had Lebron played like he did in the regular season or at least play like an all time great
The 2007 finals run was sheer garbage. Honestly one of the most overrated aspects of his entire career that THAT run is viewed FAVORABLY!
@@skap_attack couldn't agree more
They forget Boobie Gibson bailing LeBron out in game 6. Always getting saved lol
That 07 Cavs team was filled with solid veterans who might not be All-Stars, but they provided good leadership and outstanding effort. That Cavs team ranked 2nd in defense and 3rd in offense for the entire playoffs in 07, no other team in the eastern conference ranked in the top 5, and you don’t get top 3 in both of those categories because of 1 player, it’s a team effort there. LeBron played great in spots in those playoffs, but he also shot 42% from the field and 28% from 3 for the playoffs, he was good but nothing special.
@@jacobtaylor508 LeBron fans logic is if a player isn't an all star or hall of famer than he is a bum.
And they say that because they don't watch the games. Like just because a player avg 10ppg as the third or 4th option on a team don't make him a bum. It is what it is.
It is crazy how many legends this guy kept from getting a ring. Lol, how do you dominate a sport for a whole decade essentially?
Also, retiring and coming back to three peat again sounds like some scripted movie scene to describe an unstoppable villain.
You are 100% spot on.
Karl Malone Charles Barkley Patrick Ewing John Stockton Reggie Miller Clyde Drexler Magic Johnson when going up against MJ none of these guys won. Infact Karl Malone an Patrick Ewing resumes would be way better if Jordan parents never met. Karl Malone would have like 5 scoring titles an 2 more mvps an Ewings Knicks would've came out the East more. Lebronze prevents nothing.
#Mike did it right! ✨#TheGOAT✨
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@skap_attack can we see your top 15 players of all time ranking?
I love when he points out how disingenuous these arguments against Jordan are.
The truth shall set you free...
@skap_attack 1-9, rookie season, app but 18 games and a lottery team. I can't believe people let Nick Wright get away with this on TV.
* MJ23 had 3 International/FIBA Level GOLD Medals.
- '83 Pan-Am Games
(Continental Games)
- '84 LA Olympics
- '92 Barcelona Olympics
* MJ23 had the better and more loved Movie and Movie Soundtrack 😊 Space Jam 1 💪🏻😁
@@WeCube1898 no need to add the one at the end of Space Jam… We all know there’s only one… and and attempt 🤷🏻♂️
Destroying LeMedia with facts and logic 🔥
Easy as hell to do it when the facts are on your side...
@@StoneCold2k57Bleacher Report is not credible. Not a valid take
@@BlackRoyalty_Mfk copy and paste 💀
@@StoneCold2k57didn’t bleacher report put out a “it was a 3” article before being proven wrong? Was that the only time? No ohh?
I have no clue how this is even a debate SMFH!!!
I got goosebumps watching MJ play…Nowadays I prefer watch college basketball than watch Lebron & these other entitled clowns play or rest or do whatever they want in this collapsing league.
The NBA is nearly unwatchable these days...
@@skap_attackread my comment above ☝🏿 your right this debate is only media Propaganda, He’s the only player that Doesn’t Drop for having 3rd All Time Finals Losses
You’re missing out on all the flops, travel no-calls, no defense gameplay and all the me-moments these ego players have. Reconsider coming back to the circus.
@@PanchoVillasTortillaLeFraud damn sure to keep stacking stats against scrub teams while playing on a team of scrubs his fans are too stupid to see or they just blind themselves. Pre school kid logic: the monster ain't in the closet if I don't look that way 😅😅😅
@@PanchoVillasTortillaalso great username fam 🇲🇽 let's keep an eye out for Jaquez Jr representing la Raza. Pancho Villa when real man rolled the earth not like this coward LeFraud circus show 🤡🤡
This guy should be in ESPN.He would speak nothing but facts
SAS would lose his mind
He'd be on his first day wouldn't be the friet time lebron got somebody fired for criticizing him on ESPN😭😭
The fact that he speaks the truth is the exact reason he would never be allowed to appear on ESPN.
which is why espn would never hire him because they are not about reporting that
“YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!”
If Micheal Jordan played in today s era he would average at least 45 points or more
I believe that...
IMO Wilt, Jordan, Kobe, and Shaq would probably be the 4 players that would dominate any era and average probably at least 36-37 ppg today.
He'd be aiming to break Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game record.
20 - 25 points per game. There are many players more skill, more smart, more athletic, better coachs, better tactic, and way better in scoring and defense.
what defense? @@herrych2656
Excellent, excellent, excellent video! You forest fired the facts on this one! Keep on destroying these asinine LeBron goat takes. Those of us that appreciate real basketball enjoys these videos.
THANK YOU for the kind words...and MANY THANKS for continuing to tune and support both me and the channel. As always, I appreciate you! 🙏
When you said "Sterling", I felt that. I watched Jordan and Lebron play. This debate is an absolute joke. Jordan FOREVER.
COMPLETE JOKE. The better debate is Kobe and Bron. Tho in my opinion that isn't much of an actual debate either. Kobe easily clears there.
@@skap_attackthat’s the trith
@@skap_attackI disagree because Kobe was in the tougher Western Conference ad didn’t join up with Duncan and Dirk.
Michael Jordan's first 667 games (Pre-Retirement) 1984-93
3 Rings (6 career total)
3 NBA MVPs (5 career total)
3 Finals MVPs (6 career total)
7 scoring titles (10 career total)
3 steals titles
Defensive player of the year
Lebron James Career (1346 games) 2003-present
3 Rings
A NBA MVPs
3 Finals MVPs
1 scoring title
This Debate was Media Driven No Player who is 3rd All Time Finals Losses Is Top 5
Shalom, Bro, APTTMH, hope you and yours are well.
Man, I love your take tho. I been saying this should've never even been an argument.
Never thought of it this way. Jordan achieved more before the first retirement that Leblame did all career lol
LeFlop is no. 31 all time to me. His 6 finals losses and 33 finals games defeats along with his infamous 8 point game in 2011 Finals are his biggest blemishes in his resume.
@@jordansoviet23bron def ain’t my goat but the finals losses argument is just brain dead. How’s it worse to make it to the finals than to lose in the 1st or 2nd round. Never made sense to me
@@TheZachAttackG I with you that it definitely doesn’t hurt Stockton and Malone losing to THE GOAT, especially when they took one of the best teams ever who swept everyone else to 6 games.
But, LeBron was gifted so many chances in a pathetic eastern conference, as Skap detailed wonderfully in the difficulty of opponents, that those finals were his only real series and he choked most of them.
He was playing 40 win teams while Jordan played 60 win teams
One player completely dominated the league...twice. The other literally called his friend and said we need to make a super team because Kobe is winning too much! That says it all. Skap on point as always with the analysis to drive the point home with stats and narrative.
Skap does it again, another goated video. I refuse to believe anyone that watched Michael play thinks LeBron is better, it's legitimately kind of appalling to me.
I am with you completely...Quite frankly it is still absolutely dumbfounding to me how anyone who watched Kobe play thinks LeBron is better.
Atleast we know who can be bought or not.
ive heard ppl who saw mike play debate it but the only argument they use is that they think lebron is "physically better" even though mike was tougher, faster, quicker & jumped higher 💀
Yeah, if people that watched MJ play think Lebron is better, they don't know stats, don't know defense, don't care about winning, and just like watching LeChoke be the turnover GOAT.
Bet LeFraud James now regrets stealing his wallet years ago
MJ's career is just incredible, it's an absolute example of hard work, and perseverance, and success. This video is so unbelievably true, it clearly proves that Lebron is the fakest player I have ever seen, with this f****** debate totally fabricated by the media. Lebron has never been at MJ's level at any point in his career. I love these videos!!!🏀😊😉👌💯Thanks!
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but nearly every statistical indicator says different, other than number of championships. FAKE player with the most points in NBA history. top 5 in Assists (think about that, Michael not even in the top 30 of assists. If leBron were as selfish shooting as Michael was....the points record would never be broken)
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You mean from juicing steroids??? That’s the narrative all the media is avoiding right now. Lebalco is a phoney !!!
@@jeremycrowley8628 Yet Jordan is third all-time (Drexler, DWade) in apg among pure SG's.
Remind me again, what is the position called that MJ played his whole career? Oh, snap, it has the word SHOOTING right in its title, thus implying that he's supposed to, ya' know, SHOOT. This doesn't make him selfish (especially when he's routinely above 50% FG) it just makes him a guy that is _correctly_ playing his position.
Both are polar opposites. Jordan was one of the greats who elevated the nba and on the other end, Lebum is still the reason the why nba fails today.
One guy lifted the league to never before seen heights, the other guy has destroyed the sport...
@@StoneCold2k57Kobe > LeBozo anyway , cry more
@@insignificant5401LeGM < Every other debatable goat
@@insignificant5401 Lefraud lover's out here mad about this video
@@skap_attackhow did lebron destroy the league?
Interesting side fact: LeBron's teams were the only teams that got swept by that opponent in 2007 (Spurs), 2018 (Warriors) and 2020 (Nuggets). Every other team got at least one win against those teams, some even pushed it to 7 games. But of cooourse that 2018 Warriors was "absolutely invincible". :D
The family feud buzzer is so ridiculously absolute. 😂 Thank you for being the Jxmmy of exposing LeBron. 👍👏
high roller aint got nothing on skap, jimmy is also a bronsexual
Jordan never won without a top 75 teamate OWN
@@Marcmaybe1Lebron lost DESPITE playing with a Top 75 player, arguably the 3rd greatest SG and the second best player in his conference...TWICE
@@Kai-Soh so 2016 is a failure now?
@@Marcmaybe1 nope...I'm talking about Wade in 2011...in 2014 he lost with 2 Top 75 players on his team.
Always appreciate these videos. They’re like an antidote to the amount of Lepoison I have to put up with on social media. I mean the fact that he’s currently first in all star voting is just…
LOLOL not even a top 15 player currently..."first in all star voting" SMH. And it is my pleasure. Hell I make them largely as therapy for those asinine social media posts I choke on daily.
@ClayJunior-lf2qehe's not "that guy" lol😂
@ClayJunior-lf2qeI like channels like this because they actually expose the hard truths that you won’t see in todays media. Past legends getting disrespected just so lebron can look better in the goat debate really says something. All in all of course Lebron is a top 5 player and will be remembered but he brings the hate to himself.
@@skap_attackthe all star voting is just a popularity contest anyways. Austin reaves over booker, Sabonis, fox is all you need to know.
This a great comment
I'm sure his media clowns are working the strings somehow to corrupt this, I would like to know how it is being regulated , for real it needs to be investigated
Rick this is looking highly suspicious
31 pts, 11 ast, 6.5 reb in a playoff run. Wow. Lebron has never done that. And they say MJ couldn't and would'nt pass? I wish every LeBum fan would watch this video, and several more on your channel
The best way to actually destroy bronsexual narrative is to force all bronsexuals watch full game videos of Jordan be it regular season or the Finals.
When lechit says that he is the greatest player do you notice how he looks down. Because he knows it isn’t true and he can’t look anyone in the eye when saying
Skap comes with nothing but Facts ! Keep it coming brotha👍
My man! You know I will 🙏❤♥
Someone tweeted me one of your videos on Twitter and i just replied "Skap is thr best."😅
I appreciate you! 🙏❤♥
Skap Attack setting the record straight.
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The 06-07 Cave had dudes who could play defense and shoot 3's. A.I in the 01 finals would have loved to be on a team that can shoot 3's instead of just being really good on defense.
It's comical how the media acts like that 66-16 cavs team that was the best defense that year and was 2nd in turnovers were "bums" to elevate LeBron
@@Chuck_ELlebron failed Cleveland
Thank you, thank you there is no comparison when it comes to MJ.
No sir. The better comp is Kobe and Bron...and Kobe ALSO EASILY clears Bron.
You killing it as per usual, Skap! Never thought way back at the beginning of the 2003-04 season how the league would slowly but evidently be held hostage by the narratives of LeTurnover and Unclutch media. What he doesn’t seem to realize by now that he’ll never “catch that ghost in Chicago”…or the ones in the Boston rafters or those of the purple and gold (pre rigged cupcake cup tournament). The longer he plays, diluting his legacy further by each game, each loss along the way only adds even more pressure to his son to follow. All that to say, this conversation will be beaten to smithereens but MJ will always be the GOAT and LeBricklayer will _never_ be close.
Speaking about bricks
Notice the media completely not mentioning ANYTHING about those 3 missed free throws against Memphis but the NBA yt channel made sure to damn make a video about his made 3s while he was fresh in the 1st quarter
They just straight up lying and hiding anything that will deminish this clown
The truly sad part is these youngsters do not know what the heart of a champion beats like like we did
Fact
Wow,Skap Attack is doing God's work!‼️💯
I appreciate you 🙏❤♥
Lol....cheap rings. And thats exactly what Lebron has. Cheap titles. He cant get past that...but he wants his respect too.😂😂 Another 🔥 post Skap!!👍👍
No one who is known for flopping could ever be considered the goat. Could you imagine Jordan rolling around on the floor like a crybaby!? Nah bro, he told his teammates don't show your anger don't show your frustration. G o a t
Always a great day when a new Skap Attack video drops. 💎
Great video. Shout out to Skap for keeping the pressure on this clown.
THANK YOU, and many thanks to you for tuning in! I appreciate you 🙏❤♥
what you have just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this conversation is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. Pressure? Jesus Christ smh.