So In Dracula's case did everyone forget he wanted to only kill those in the city that killed his wife, gave them a year to pack out, only for him to come back and they're celebrating the death of his wife, na I won't let that slide
Except it was the leaders that killed his wife, most of the people in that city have no idea what really happened or who his wife is, the people function at the whims of their leaders as far as the people are concerned their leaders got 1up on the devil and with the reputation Dracula has its easy to see why anyone would be happy about that. And that's just the adults haven't even gotten into the thousands of children, the visitors in the city, those who were unfortunate enough to have moved to the city the day dracula came back.
@@dragunkod Was it 10 years? Don't remember it being that long And I'm not saying what Dracula did is justifiable, but imagine you're an op person, then normal humans killed your mum, and displayed your power and all and told them you'll come back in a year, now one would expect like war tanks and an army, but you come back only to see them celebrating the death of your mum, what would your thinking of humans be?
@@Crying_Iron9277 Hence why Dracula gave them a year, normally you'd expect the city would be evacuated and the men about to fight for their city and whatnot, you know normal shit to prepare for the end of your city after displayin your power, or las las you meet a ghost town, but you come back and you see them celebrating the fact they killed your wife....
@@Crying_Iron9277 cause guess what, their leaders are still people from that city The same way people in a country will say all matter of things about their leaders, granted what their leaders are doing aren't good, but its not like the people are doing any better. afterall the leaders are people from that country
It's funny Dracula's on this list because his namesake, Vlad "the impaler" Dracula is painted as a villain in most history books for his brutality and barbarism but he only exorcised that barbarism on criminals and invaders. To this day Vlad III is celebrated in Romania as a hero because he died defending his country from Turkish invaders. It's a perfect case of "History is written by the victors"
What about the time he gathered the homeless for a feast asked them if they never wanted to have to worry about food shelter or work ever again and when they cheered at that he boarded up the doors and burned it down? Or asked the Turkish dignitaries to remove their hats they wouldn’t as it’s against their culture to do so and tacked their hats to their heads so they could never remove the hats again it wasn’t just criminals the real life Vlad Tempest was a monster by todays standards he’ll end of his life he was imprisoned and crucified rats
He was so set to his conviction he would leave gold in places all over, no one stole. They knew the price. There are many bad villains traits in him but his life made him if nothing else lawful evil who was generous to the truthfull and helpful to his kingdom. If you broke his iron clad rules. You met with death. An almost benevolent but ultimately brutal man protecting his and his people's lives. To become legendary as well myth.
That is an extremely bad example of victor's write history. We know what happened to vlad, so history was written by both sides. A fictional story doesn't make history. Otherwise the fate stories are rewriting history to make all historical figures girls.
Castlevania Dracula was a rewrite of the character. He has no association to Vlad the Impailer. He was Mathias Cronqvist, his wife died, he despite to spite God for letting his wife die, so he recreates the Crimson Stone, insanity occurs, he becomes the most powerful vampire in the world. More powerful even than vampires that were older than him, like Carmilla. He was a villain from the start and never learns to process trauma.
For tai lung it’s not just his father not accepting him. It’s not that he was egotistical. His entire childhood was wasted on an unattainable dream that was promised to him. When po was chosen, shifu constantly questioned oogway at every turn and tried to get po to quit at every corner. However when Tai lung was denied, he didn’t question Oogway, he didn’t try to teach tai lung to make him more qualified to be dragon warrior. He gave up on him.
that is what I think it was, even if he was still denied, even if he was never to be chosen, Shifu should have at least argued to Oogway on his decision being wrong like he did for Po for Tai Lungs sake as that would show he still had hope in him and not given up
Probably didn't help that Shifu not only raised him from a baby, but also literally named him "Great Dragon" AND gave him personal hands-on training to help him improve, both of which (unintentionally) fueled his sense of entitlement, and that Dragon Warrior rejection was likely the first major rejection he'd received since being abandoned as a cub (read: likely too young to remember). Nux tries to argue that Tigress had the more mature response to the rejection, but the man has CLEARLY not delved into her backstory that explains she not only WASN'T raised by Shifu from infancy like Tai Lung was, but in fact was an eight-ish-year-old who had uncontrollable and severe violent episodes that caused all the other kids at the ORPHANAGE she lived at to avoid her like the plague when Shifu first took her in, meaning she was USED to rejection in general long before trying out for Dragon Warrior. Comparing the behavior of a hothouse flower to that of a person who spent their childhood fully believing themselves a lost cause before they were given the help they needed is very much an "apples and oranges" situation.
@@submariNervous not only that tigress most likely reminded shifu of tai lung therefore he would have intentionally raised her differently from tai lung
@@edgarrosado6969 Yup! And you can tell from his body language in the flashback where he corrects her stance as a kid that he feels guilty about keeping her at arm's length, but at the same time he doesn't know how else to avoid creating another monster.
There's a few reasons why people find Tai Lung so sympathetic. The first is how vague his crime was. They always say he rampaged through the valley but they never actually mention a body count or how much damage he actually did. For all we know his crime was just a lot of property damage followed by attempted theft. In comparison Lord Shen (the second movie's villain) is known for killing almost all Pandas in an attempted genocide. The second reason is how horrific the punishment he got was. Constantly chained up and paralyzed for 2 decades straight. That prison was the definition of civil rights violations. Literally a fate worse than death in my opinion. The third reason is the simple fact that Tai Lung never goes for the kill when fighting the Furious Five. He easily could've slaughtered them but he doesn't even really hurt them tbh. Part of that is likely a flex but they were actively trying to kill him. So you've gotta give him a little credit for being so merciful. The fourth reason is that his backstory is genuinely tragic. People think Tai Lung cracked when Oogway denied him the title of Dragon Warrior. But in his flashback it's clear that what really broke him was that Shifu didn't even try to argue about it. Shifu raised him to be the dragon warrior. He gave him a name that meant Great Dragon. Tai Lung was willing to train until his bones broke, not because he wanted more power or a title, but because becoming the Dragon Warrior would make his dad proud. So it's only natural that seeing Shifu cave so easily would shatter him emotionally. It's worth noting that even with all these factors making him seem sympathetic, Tai Lung still is a villain. The darkness inside him was genuine, but it was largely the result of how Shifu raised him. Shifu had him focus all his time and energy on growing stronger. He also didn't have comrades to fight alongside like the furious five so it's only natural that he'd become solitary and start to view strength as the most important thing in life.
To be fair, Puss has been playing with Death for years. He wasted so many lives. Of course, Death would want to get back at him. It's only fair that he made Puss live up to his name.
No he wasn't he didn't deserve to be the Dragon warrior why he attacked the village for no reason just because he was told no. For that reason he doesn't deserve it he wasn't wronged he didn't deserve it he is a prick and was Probably rude and aggressive before that, as people don't snap from pacifist nice guy to nut job after being told no
@@daraghokane4236 Agreed, but they didn't dwell too much on the explanation on his background. We were just given hints that Tai lung was given false hope to be the dragon warrior and used the excuse of the expense of him training to give him that role. If anything, that could have been prevented by giving Tai Lung more details as to why he wasn't the dragon warrior. Master Shifu shouldn't have feed him that BS, and Tai Lung shouldn't have swept into rage.
@@bobbyggezs2898 We were told enough, he was told no so he attacked people, he wasn't wronged how he reacted was probably the test A test of humility. Master Shifu was right to tell him he could as he could if he didn't lash out
@@daraghokane4236Him attacking the village always felt out of place and random, but did you know that's because the writers put it in without thinking because they needed something to make Tai Lung look bad, since without the village thing Tai Lung was too much in the right
Now to be fair. The Walachians were given a year to make peace with their god. Then after that year, the Walachians had made Lisa’s execution anniversary into a national holiday
@@dexterrkk3711 alright let me use your logic, you love your mum cause she took good care of you, you then somehow became op, then some people saw you as a freak and called your mum a devil for giving birth to the antichrist, burns her alive, you come back home witnessing her death, you then warn the people that you'll come back in a year that they should make peace with their god and say their last prayers despite the fact that they knew you were op, you then come back, and you see they're holding a festival of killing your mum a year ago, what would you think of humans then... I'm not saying Dracula is right, but doesn't mean the humans were either
@@dexterrkk3711 again, I am not disagreeing with you, I'm only saying it could have been anyone, and if they're that OP they could use their anger to the world
You can't use tigress as a mirror for tai lung, tigress didn't get what tai lung got, shifu kept tigress at arms length, didn't emotionally invest in her like he did with tai lung, didn't fill her head with dreams, shifu for tigress was always her master never more nevr less, all she got was kungfu. I'd go as far as saying tai lungs pride was because of shifu, or at least fueled heavily by shifu. Edit: not trying to take away tai lungs agency alright, tai could have always gone to Oogway and asked some questions or advice something like that instead of crashing out, there was a lot he could have done.
I agree. People think Tai Lung cracked when Oogway denied him the title of Dragon Warrior. But in his flashback it's clear that what really broke him was that Shifu didn't even try to argue about it. Shifu raised him to be the dragon warrior. He even gave him a name that meant Great Dragon. Tai Lung was willing to train until his bones broke, not because he wanted more power or a title, but because becoming the Dragon Warrior would make his dad proud. So it's only natural that seeing Shifu cave so easily would shatter him emotionally. It's worth noting that the darkness Oogway saw inside of Tai Lung was probably genuine. But that darkness was largely the result of how Shifu raised him. Shifu likely had him focus all his time and energy on growing stronger so he could be worthy of the Dragon Warrior title. He also didn't have comrades to fight alongside like the furious five did, so it's only natural that he'd become solitary and start to view strength as the most important thing in life.
Tigress moreso was negatively affected by the fallout of Shifu and tai lung’s relationship. She was adopted by Shifu as well but he was very emotionally distant towards her due to his fear of creating another tai lung.
THANK you! I mentioned this elsewhere, but I'll say it again here: In Secrets of the Furious Five, it's explained that before Shifu took Tigress in, she was living in an orphanage and her then-uncontrollable strength (understandably) scared the other kids and caused her to be rejected by everyone around her, and this went on for YEARS. By the time Shifu adopted her, she had grown to accept, and honestly probably even *expect* rejection from those around her, calling herself a monster. For Tigress, the Dragon Warrior rejection was really more just a case of "disappointing but not world-shattering". Compare and contrast Tai Lung, who could almost be considered a "hothouse flower", meaning a person who is either physically or emotionally fragile due to having been sheltered or coddled throughout their life. The constant stream of affection and approval from Shifu (and likely the admiration of folks in the valley) led to him having never experienced a meaningful rejection before then (not counting the whole "being abandoned outside the Jade Palace as an infant" thing), and in turn meant he wouldn't have thought to ask questions about what he was lacking in that CAUSED that rejection, or consider that he could always try again later. To him it would have been, dare I say, a sucker-punch, and what would anyone's first response to getting sucker-punched be, ESPECIALLY when the person who raised you just lets it happen? Getting ANGRY. Honestly you'd have better luck finding similarities between an ACTUAL tigress and snow leopard than Tigress and Tai Lung. XD
Just because the ideology of a villain might be correct doesn't mean that their actions to that end are justifiable. That's the difference a lot of people who say things like "the villain was right, they did nothing wrong" don't understand.
@@Raiethstar Right. I know it's fiction so it shouldn't bother me that much, but the number of people who think horrible actions like that are justifiable or even to be celebrated if the one doing them has motivations they find agreeable is kind of concerning.
@@Raiethstar it's murder that protects us that's the funny part Cops has Guns and the Military also Guns and Nukes and second amendment is there for we can protect ourselves from the tyranny of having a government killing is not wrong But to rule a country takes wisdom and the heart for YOUR people not people of other countries that take priory over your reasonability or what's the point to have a King or Queen of a Country
Silco will forever be one of my favorite characters of all time. A truly well written figure, a villian to one side, a hero to the other. One who commits atrocities in the name of liberation and justice. And then, he meets an orphan and adopts her, seeing himself in her and raising her like a daughter. She annoys him at times and makes things complicated, bit even one of the biggest wrenches in his plans she does ends up being all for his sake and his approval. The scene when she gives him the gem and you see him go from rage to love as he realizes what she actually did for their cause and for his approval. The fact that he is a father first, commenting how she'll likely he the death of him and then when that comes to pass, his last words were to try and ease her guilt and show her she was and will always be loved by him. Damn near had me crying.
you’re looking at things from your perspective, from their perspective they feel that they are in the right, imagine being an all powerful vampire who gives humans a chance and the kill the only one you see as worth being alive, imagine being raised your entire life being told that you’re destined to be an amazing warrior and taught nothing but violence and then some random guy you barely know says “no” and nobody argues for your case, obviously you’re gonna feel like everybody is against you, and when they’re against you you either get rid of them or fall below them
21:15 i feel like the main argument is that nux views Tai Lung of seeing more. Past what he was literally raised to. If you give a man a fish will it learn to hunt? No. Thats something that must be instilled, desired, humored at least. None of which were brought up with Tai Lung and all of which were kept in check with Tigres. Nux's argument is that yes Tai lung is egotistical and yes he is very much the antagonist but its against the fact that thats all he could keep hold of. The pride in the destiny that was told to be his from the moment he knew how to fight. Take that pride away and whats left? Something new? Who taught Tai Lung that? Shifu didn't. Oogway didn't. Who would teach Tai Lung better? That there was something more. No one.
The flaw in that is when Death is personified and given biases against the nature of certain things. When Death becomes proactive and messes with the natural world for personal reasons, it no longer just is.
The big difference between Tigress and Tai Lung is that one was raised to be a master and the other was raised to be the dragon warrior. Had Tai Lung been raised the same, he’d probably just be another master, but that wasn’t the case. He was raised and promised the title of dragon warrior. He was used and abused by his master in his eyes. All of his hard work and pain built up to the one goal that amounted to a waste of time. It’s very understandable why he became a villain.
I feel like people are completely missing one key thing in understanding Tai Lung, and it’s that Shifu had kept telling him that he would become the Dragon Warrior as long as he kept training hard every day. But then he finds out that he still isn’t good enough and that apparently he would never be good enough. But that’s not the problem, the problem is Shifu never taught Tai Lung how to deal with failure and disappointment. He never taught Tai Lung humility or how to be humble. He was always told he was the best and that he would succeed. Shifu failed Tai Lung as a teacher and as a father. And when Tai Lung was in prison, Shifu never once went to visit Tai Lung to try to talk with him, probably out of shame. I honestly don’t think Tai Lung was completely wrong, he was just misguided and unprepared.
This sums it up perfectly. Shifu's destiny was to train the dragon warrior. It filled him with pride. He molded Tai Lung in the image of his own dream and put that on his own son. Shifu filled Tai Lung with his dreams, not letting Tai Lung figure out his own dreams. That's why that line hits so hard. Shifu pride made him believe Tai Lung was the dragon warrior and in turn as his son, Tai Lung believed it too. With no preparation for a reality where that wasn't the case.
@@d1videbyz3r0 Yeah, and unfortunately for Tai Lung, he was never really given many choices. I’d always wished that Kung Fu Panda had ended with Po giving Tai Lung a chance to surrender and bow to who he always aspired to be. It would’ve been that choice to keep fighting or surrender that would’ve completed Tai Lung’s character if you ask me. It could’ve been that defining moment that would get him destroyed if he stayed on the path he was going or helped him start down the path of redemption.
The difference with tai lung is that he grew up with what shifu taught him and kinda basically molded into what he is because of shifu. Tigress was kept distant from such a relationship thus she didn’t end like him. If shifu did the same to tigress, she would most likely end up similar.
I learned that villains don’t always do evil things because they’re evil from The Fairly Odd Parents. It was an episode featuring the in universe superhero comic character The Crimson Chin. In the episode, Timmy learns that all of the Chin’s villains were created by the Chin himself. His negligence and his reckless abandon when he’s “saving the city” is what leads people he “helped” into villainy. Timmy inadvertently creates his own villain and during the fight with him, realizes he can’t be like the Crimson Chin. He has to be better than his hero and he apologizes to the villain. The villain accepts the apology and the fight ends. It was a great episode and a lesson that will always be relevant.
I don't remember that episode, I only remember the Crimson Chin saying he created the Bronze Kneecap specifically. Was this from the new series, or near the end of the old one?
@@daysand123 those people don’t know what they’re talking about because it’s easy to say that when he’s fictional and you’re not in any danger. This man wants to commit genocide and doesn’t care if his fellow mutants die in the process
honestly, while i think he is well done as the antagonist in the Spider-Verse movies, as an OG Spider-Man 2099 fan, I HATE that Miguel is being seen as a villain by the wider world. in the comics, he can be a dick and extremely single minded but he has never been an outright villain in the main 616 timeline and seeing people call him a villain and push back against his comic version, it bugs me
I've never called him a villain but the antagonist of the movie, I don't want Miles' pov to be how across the spiderverse ends because that would be the movie *gaslighting* us into thinking Miguel O'Hara was the villain all along
My favorite part of Arcane is when Vi says it's Silco to the council their first reaction is "The Industrialist?" Like the man's known for revolutionizing work output and revamping the city
I would argue that Death is still a villain, partly because he's cheating by trying to claim Puss's last life early and he knows it, but also because his issue starts with the fact that as a cat Puss has nine lives. He feels like that is unnatural and so he dislikes cats, in a world where it's apparently natural to them. So targeting Puss for not appreciating the value of life is also a selfish endeavor where he got to be unnatural to what he decided was unnatural, which is also why he's not initially pleased with the change. Puss not appreciating life just gave him a convenient excuse to decide to take direct action. His frustration with Puss being careless with the lives he'd had is relatable for sure, because I'm pretty sure that we've all been frustrated with people who take an amazing gift for granted. But that doesn't make him right and still makes him an amazing villain.
Also, I feel like what he means by “right” in that video is more like “right in their reasoning” not necessarily their actions themselves. Take Tai Lung. He was raised by shifu to be a great kung fu warrior and filled him with the ambition and desire to become the dragon warrior. When he was denied that title, his father and master turned his back on him. In their final fight in the movie it’s made clear that Tai Lung only really desired the approval of his mentor, as we see for a brief moment after shifu apologizes to and tells tai lung he was proud he pauses his attacks and just stands there, finally hearing the words he wanted to hear. But he knows it was as too late for him, he knew he had gone too far. So he continues his rampage For Tai Lung, all he wanted was the approval of his father figure and for him having the scroll would be what made shifu proud. He was right in wanting to make his father proud, not right in this rampage.
It wasn’t being rejected it was that his dad looked away from him in shame. In contrast when tigress was rejected sifu literally stood up for her abd questioned his master multiple times validating her worth
Isaac was also a human Dracula saved. He is right on the Noah analogy where God saves the only just humans, Dracula did the same for Isaac and acknowledge the he is the best of humanity.
I think what really destroyed Tai lung was the complete loss of his masters support. Years of working hard to live up to his master expectations only for be let down.
In tai lungs defense. The reason he went full villain was because nobody had his back. No friends o r family to help him deal with his mental and emotional issues after he was turned away. Imagine how different things would have been if shifu would have at least argued with on tai lung’s behalf or at least gave him some kind of support after the decision was made. Basically shifu failed as a father figure
Hold up. If im not wrong, Dracula didnt go for genocide when they killed his wife. He went for genicide when they flexed on him for them killing his wife
I wouldn't say Tai Lung is right, but the fact that Shifu said nothing to defend him is what drove him to lash out. I think if Shifu at least tried to fight for what he told Tai Lung to work for all his life, Tai Lung could have learned to accept a different role.
My favorite, "The villain was right" story is the Overlord (video game) series. Written by Terry Pratchet's daughter. The heroes beat the villain. The heroes then become villains later. So the Overlord exists to finish off whoever wins the fight between villain and hero, because they're going to screw up everything either way.
As one of the 4 females who consume the Nux Niggests, may I rep my kind in this conversation: Elphaba from Wicked and Maleficent are villains who aren't wrong.
I think Nux was wrong about Tai Lung... Nux is not considering one thing and the most important thing about his character... his common sense are not normal. He was specifically raised to be a dragono warrior, his whole life he was taught to become the dragon warrior, so for him being a dragon warrior is everything, in his mind it's the obvious goal for his life yet when the time comes he was said to be not worth the title and the person who shaped his personality and life to becoming one didn't said anything. Oogway saw Tai Lung's ambition and ego but that was how Shifu raised him, Shifu was the one who installed the ambition of becoming a dragon warrior to him and the ego that his is talented and above his peers. As for Tigress, she was like Experiment No 2. everything that Shifu learned not to do with Tai Lung was avoided for Tigress growth so they didnt have the same kind of learning experience growing up, she was raised more properly. A good example would be Dabi from My Hero. He was literally raised the same way as Tai Lung and at the end (at least on his pov) he taught his father abandoned him. Now he became a villain to 'prove his worth and those people are wrong'. He wants people he cared about to look his way. Nux's dad med school analogy isn't really right. The difference is with his example, the dad lets his son dream and then shattered that dream. while Tai Lung has his 'dad' install that dream to him then shatters it. One let the son dream, the other spoon fed the dream to his son.
"Heroes are reactive and villains are proactive" not neccessarily. Do the villains usually want to change the status quo and, thus, are proactive? Yes! But then, If the status quo is a bad one, wouldn't the hero be the proactive one? V for Vendetta kinda stuff
@@svenkrisenberg6684 hmmmm, If you look at It that way, than yes, It would be a reaction to the installing of a bad status quo, but, then, wouldn't a villan reacting to an installing of a good status quo also be a reaction?
Tai lung was right oogway knew a panda was going to be the dragon warrior the WHOLE time. So oogway let tai lung spend his whole life training for something he’ll never get id crashout too 🤦🏿♂️
Also the Beowulf and Grendel story is so goated man. Yoi hate the insanity of the villain but can understand to a degree his personality or atleast sympathize with their loneliness
Ayo, Yugioh 5Ds was slept on. I knew it was different when Yusei was throwing hands with cops and people actually dying and shit. That shit was the best none child friendly Yugioh IP ever.
Just some examples of villains who were right off the top of my head. Char Aznable from UC Gundam (just ignore Gundam: The Origin or at least the anime version), Masato Aizawa from Yakzua 5, Masataka Ebina from Infinite Wealth, Killmonger, Magneto, IDW Comic's Megatron. just villains that in one way or another make a damn good point. We get why they're doing what they do and at one point you could see the heroes agreeing with them but their methods are just too far.
Man you should play FFXIV. I think it might end up being one of your favorite stories of all time. It ended up mine, alongside One Piece, Hunter x Hunter & Vinland Saga. Of course I can't say more about FFXIV 'cause it'd be spoilers. But it easily has some of the best villains of all time. And my personal favorite villain of all time.
YOO lets go another silco fan, they werent perfect, but they were family i would love a silco deepdive from you man (maybe a main channel project one day?)
Death was in the right because puss in boots was literally WASTING his 9 lives and death was sick of it so he thought he’d save puss the trouble and end his final life and then puss like a coward wanted to literally WISH for more lives until he realised he shouldn’t want more lives and instead should continue living the one he has without wasting it (death is also my favourite character in puss in boots the last wish and all 3 villains were awesome and it’s impressive how dreamworks managed to SUCCESSFULLY do multiple villains like jack was unapologetically a heartless jerk and then Goldie locks and the 3 bears were really funny especially the 3 bears and especially papa bear and then death was so awesome and threatening and I loved his whistling)
When the villains have got a better realistic sympathetic feel to them, plus their motivations are better than the heros/protagonists then you know their spitting.
Miguel reminds me of Strange Supreme from What If. Both wrecked an entire reality by going against the canon, but Miguel saw what he did and decided that something like that will never happen again on his watch. For better or worse.
The fanatic is incorruptible: if he kills for an idea, he can just as well get himself killed for one; in either cases, tyrant or martyr, he's a monster.
Rammattra from overwatch is also like a villain/antagonist… he was a monk and wanted peace after being created for war and when that didn’t work and humans kept killing/beating omnics he said screw it and made an army and just kills people now
Rafigi said it best "oh yes, the past can hurt.... But the way I see it, you can either run from it or learn from it" Another outcome from the hero and villain clashing is a common enemy appears forcing the hero and villain to work together, putting aside their own ideals for the sake of the world they live in. A great example of this is in pokemon the movie 2000, yes team rocket wants to steal Ash's Pikachu but they realize that that goal means nothing if the world is destroyed. So they use their expertise in making contraptions to help ash save the world.
@Nuxanor, if you see this, I think you might enjoy Film Theory's "cycle of evil" kung fu panda video. It takes a look into Oogway and his teachings and how they effected everyone else, and makes Tai Lung even more sympathetic.
Tai lung was used as a social experiment by Oogway so that Shifu would learn humility and become a better kung fu master so that when he chose the true dragon warrior, that would be his successor, he could actually train him properly. Guess what that makes Oogway the real bad guy in this situation. Think about it. Shifu is so devoted to his master that when he said Tai Lung was unworthy Shifu even after a decade and a half of being a father chose to abandon his child and turn away from him. That’s a sycophantic level of devotion. Do you really think that Oogway could not have rolled up and said “hey you’re being a terrible master ” to steer him down the proper path instead of shaking his head in the background and saying nothing for over a decade. The only rational justification is that he wanted things to play out in the specific way and sacrifices a child to make it happen.
Nux: “I’ll be doing a deep dive into league lore” .. well… looks like we’ll be here for a Loooooooooong time also DAMN YES, NUX, my favourite content machine and reaction channel, appreciates Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds. I’m so happy now
You could do League Lore from regions other than Piltover and Zaun. Shurima is so interesting, with the Ascendeds and all. The civil wars in Freljörd. The long and corrupted history of the Hallowed Islands, now known as the Shadow Isles. So much fucking fantastic Lore to discover. :)
Another example could be Garou from the One Punch Man anime. He was a human who called himself a monster and was known by the heroes as a "Hero Hunter". Except Garou was fighting for himself, not even other monsters. He was just sick and tired of the villains losing all the time, even though some villains have ideal reasons as to why they are villains.
man I just going to put this i love it that you look into the warhammer 40k story of Rylanor the Unyielding he great thank have great day never stop the lore man.
Oh boy, how i so HATE this notion people have now days that a only good vilain is a relatable/sad one, because muh feeling. Sorry but no, a comically evil, i wanna destroy everything vilain is absolutely a good vilain too, if properly constructed.
So In Dracula's case did everyone forget he wanted to only kill those in the city that killed his wife, gave them a year to pack out, only for him to come back and they're celebrating the death of his wife, na I won't let that slide
Except it was the leaders that killed his wife, most of the people in that city have no idea what really happened or who his wife is, the people function at the whims of their leaders as far as the people are concerned their leaders got 1up on the devil and with the reputation Dracula has its easy to see why anyone would be happy about that. And that's just the adults haven't even gotten into the thousands of children, the visitors in the city, those who were unfortunate enough to have moved to the city the day dracula came back.
@Crying_Iron9277 can you imagine visiting a random town because you heard they were having a cool festival only to get killed when Dtacula shows up.
@@dragunkod Was it 10 years?
Don't remember it being that long
And I'm not saying what Dracula did is justifiable, but imagine you're an op person, then normal humans killed your mum, and displayed your power and all and told them you'll come back in a year, now one would expect like war tanks and an army, but you come back only to see them celebrating the death of your mum, what would your thinking of humans be?
@@Crying_Iron9277 Hence why Dracula gave them a year, normally you'd expect the city would be evacuated and the men about to fight for their city and whatnot, you know normal shit to prepare for the end of your city after displayin your power, or las las you meet a ghost town, but you come back and you see them celebrating the fact they killed your wife....
@@Crying_Iron9277 cause guess what, their leaders are still people from that city
The same way people in a country will say all matter of things about their leaders, granted what their leaders are doing aren't good, but its not like the people are doing any better. afterall the leaders are people from that country
It's funny Dracula's on this list because his namesake, Vlad "the impaler" Dracula is painted as a villain in most history books for his brutality and barbarism but he only exorcised that barbarism on criminals and invaders. To this day Vlad III is celebrated in Romania as a hero because he died defending his country from Turkish invaders. It's a perfect case of "History is written by the victors"
What about the time he gathered the homeless for a feast asked them if they never wanted to have to worry about food shelter or work ever again and when they cheered at that he boarded up the doors and burned it down? Or asked the Turkish dignitaries to remove their hats they wouldn’t as it’s against their culture to do so and tacked their hats to their heads so they could never remove the hats again it wasn’t just criminals the real life Vlad Tempest was a monster by todays standards he’ll end of his life he was imprisoned and crucified rats
He was so set to his conviction he would leave gold in places all over, no one stole. They knew the price. There are many bad villains traits in him but his life made him if nothing else lawful evil who was generous to the truthfull and helpful to his kingdom. If you broke his iron clad rules. You met with death. An almost benevolent but ultimately brutal man protecting his and his people's lives. To become legendary as well myth.
That is an extremely bad example of victor's write history. We know what happened to vlad, so history was written by both sides. A fictional story doesn't make history. Otherwise the fate stories are rewriting history to make all historical figures girls.
@@EvanLovesWhiskey sooo....he was basically the inspiration for Dr. Doom 😂 that's fuckin awesome
Castlevania Dracula was a rewrite of the character. He has no association to Vlad the Impailer. He was Mathias Cronqvist, his wife died, he despite to spite God for letting his wife die, so he recreates the Crimson Stone, insanity occurs, he becomes the most powerful vampire in the world. More powerful even than vampires that were older than him, like Carmilla. He was a villain from the start and never learns to process trauma.
“You are willing to die for your dreams but not fight for them?” One of my favorite quotes ever and it’s from Arcane. What a great show
“What happens when the villain is right??”
He starts a RUclips channel to piss off the twitter hate mob.
For tai lung it’s not just his father not accepting him. It’s not that he was egotistical. His entire childhood was wasted on an unattainable dream that was promised to him. When po was chosen, shifu constantly questioned oogway at every turn and tried to get po to quit at every corner. However when Tai lung was denied, he didn’t question Oogway, he didn’t try to teach tai lung to make him more qualified to be dragon warrior. He gave up on him.
that is what I think it was, even if he was still denied, even if he was never to be chosen, Shifu should have at least argued to Oogway on his decision being wrong like he did for Po for Tai Lungs sake as that would show he still had hope in him and not given up
@@LoneWolf20213Where all of China being involved in his revenge is wild to me instead of going to the Shifu.
Probably didn't help that Shifu not only raised him from a baby, but also literally named him "Great Dragon" AND gave him personal hands-on training to help him improve, both of which (unintentionally) fueled his sense of entitlement, and that Dragon Warrior rejection was likely the first major rejection he'd received since being abandoned as a cub (read: likely too young to remember).
Nux tries to argue that Tigress had the more mature response to the rejection, but the man has CLEARLY not delved into her backstory that explains she not only WASN'T raised by Shifu from infancy like Tai Lung was, but in fact was an eight-ish-year-old who had uncontrollable and severe violent episodes that caused all the other kids at the ORPHANAGE she lived at to avoid her like the plague when Shifu first took her in, meaning she was USED to rejection in general long before trying out for Dragon Warrior.
Comparing the behavior of a hothouse flower to that of a person who spent their childhood fully believing themselves a lost cause before they were given the help they needed is very much an "apples and oranges" situation.
@@submariNervous not only that tigress most likely reminded shifu of tai lung therefore he would have intentionally raised her differently from tai lung
@@edgarrosado6969 Yup! And you can tell from his body language in the flashback where he corrects her stance as a kid that he feels guilty about keeping her at arm's length, but at the same time he doesn't know how else to avoid creating another monster.
There's a few reasons why people find Tai Lung so sympathetic.
The first is how vague his crime was. They always say he rampaged through the valley but they never actually mention a body count or how much damage he actually did. For all we know his crime was just a lot of property damage followed by attempted theft. In comparison Lord Shen (the second movie's villain) is known for killing almost all Pandas in an attempted genocide.
The second reason is how horrific the punishment he got was. Constantly chained up and paralyzed for 2 decades straight. That prison was the definition of civil rights violations. Literally a fate worse than death in my opinion.
The third reason is the simple fact that Tai Lung never goes for the kill when fighting the Furious Five. He easily could've slaughtered them but he doesn't even really hurt them tbh. Part of that is likely a flex but they were actively trying to kill him. So you've gotta give him a little credit for being so merciful.
The fourth reason is that his backstory is genuinely tragic. People think Tai Lung cracked when Oogway denied him the title of Dragon Warrior. But in his flashback it's clear that what really broke him was that Shifu didn't even try to argue about it. Shifu raised him to be the dragon warrior. He gave him a name that meant Great Dragon. Tai Lung was willing to train until his bones broke, not because he wanted more power or a title, but because becoming the Dragon Warrior would make his dad proud. So it's only natural that seeing Shifu cave so easily would shatter him emotionally.
It's worth noting that even with all these factors making him seem sympathetic, Tai Lung still is a villain. The darkness inside him was genuine, but it was largely the result of how Shifu raised him. Shifu had him focus all his time and energy on growing stronger. He also didn't have comrades to fight alongside like the furious five so it's only natural that he'd become solitary and start to view strength as the most important thing in life.
To be fair, Puss has been playing with Death for years. He wasted so many lives. Of course, Death would want to get back at him. It's only fair that he made Puss live up to his name.
Yes exactly him finally overcoming his actual fear of death and even committing to a relationship ironically 😂
So like If your tax collector was allowed to Rob you because you were a jerk to him when playing your taxes.
Tai Lung wasn't a villain who was Right. But he was a villain who was Wronged.
That’s true for most of these villains the guy seems to be confusing “right” with “sympathetic”
No he wasn't he didn't deserve to be the Dragon warrior why he attacked the village for no reason just because he was told no. For that reason he doesn't deserve it he wasn't wronged he didn't deserve it he is a prick and was Probably rude and aggressive before that, as people don't snap from pacifist nice guy to nut job after being told no
@@daraghokane4236 Agreed, but they didn't dwell too much on the explanation on his background. We were just given hints that Tai lung was given false hope to be the dragon warrior and used the excuse of the expense of him training to give him that role. If anything, that could have been prevented by giving Tai Lung more details as to why he wasn't the dragon warrior. Master Shifu shouldn't have feed him that BS, and Tai Lung shouldn't have swept into rage.
@@bobbyggezs2898 We were told enough, he was told no so he attacked people, he wasn't wronged how he reacted was probably the test A test of humility. Master Shifu was right to tell him he could as he could if he didn't lash out
@@daraghokane4236Him attacking the village always felt out of place and random, but did you know that's because the writers put it in without thinking because they needed something to make Tai Lung look bad, since without the village thing Tai Lung was too much in the right
Now to be fair. The Walachians were given a year to make peace with their god. Then after that year, the Walachians had made Lisa’s execution anniversary into a national holiday
Human genocide is a clear overreaction though tbf. I do get where he’s coming from though.
@@dexterrkk3711 alright let me use your logic, you love your mum cause she took good care of you, you then somehow became op, then some people saw you as a freak and called your mum a devil for giving birth to the antichrist, burns her alive, you come back home witnessing her death, you then warn the people that you'll come back in a year that they should make peace with their god and say their last prayers despite the fact that they knew you were op, you then come back, and you see they're holding a festival of killing your mum a year ago, what would you think of humans then...
I'm not saying Dracula is right, but doesn't mean the humans were either
@@samcilxix160 like i said i understand the rationale, but the action goes way too far and that’s why he’s a villain.
@@dexterrkk3711 again, I am not disagreeing with you, I'm only saying it could have been anyone, and if they're that OP they could use their anger to the world
@@dexterrkk3711 Oh, so I'll be a villain for wiping out all life on Earth, I suppose!! I'LL BLOW UP YOUR PLANET FOR THIS!! (Lord Freeza logic)
Jaiden and Nux see what happens when the villain is right
Featuring Dante from the "Devil May Cry" series.
@@Chimeratech_O.D.*cue Nocturne Second OP Theme*
And Pyro!
I miss nux honestly. Too much Jaiden in the vids lately 😒
Nux and Jaiden Jaiden and nux the boys!!!!!!whoooooooooo
You can't use tigress as a mirror for tai lung, tigress didn't get what tai lung got, shifu kept tigress at arms length, didn't emotionally invest in her like he did with tai lung, didn't fill her head with dreams, shifu for tigress was always her master never more nevr less, all she got was kungfu. I'd go as far as saying tai lungs pride was because of shifu, or at least fueled heavily by shifu.
Edit: not trying to take away tai lungs agency alright, tai could have always gone to Oogway and asked some questions or advice something like that instead of crashing out, there was a lot he could have done.
I agree. People think Tai Lung cracked when Oogway denied him the title of Dragon Warrior. But in his flashback it's clear that what really broke him was that Shifu didn't even try to argue about it. Shifu raised him to be the dragon warrior. He even gave him a name that meant Great Dragon. Tai Lung was willing to train until his bones broke, not because he wanted more power or a title, but because becoming the Dragon Warrior would make his dad proud. So it's only natural that seeing Shifu cave so easily would shatter him emotionally.
It's worth noting that the darkness Oogway saw inside of Tai Lung was probably genuine. But that darkness was largely the result of how Shifu raised him. Shifu likely had him focus all his time and energy on growing stronger so he could be worthy of the Dragon Warrior title. He also didn't have comrades to fight alongside like the furious five did, so it's only natural that he'd become solitary and start to view strength as the most important thing in life.
Tigress moreso was negatively affected by the fallout of Shifu and tai lung’s relationship. She was adopted by Shifu as well but he was very emotionally distant towards her due to his fear of creating another tai lung.
THANK you! I mentioned this elsewhere, but I'll say it again here: In Secrets of the Furious Five, it's explained that before Shifu took Tigress in, she was living in an orphanage and her then-uncontrollable strength (understandably) scared the other kids and caused her to be rejected by everyone around her, and this went on for YEARS. By the time Shifu adopted her, she had grown to accept, and honestly probably even *expect* rejection from those around her, calling herself a monster. For Tigress, the Dragon Warrior rejection was really more just a case of "disappointing but not world-shattering".
Compare and contrast Tai Lung, who could almost be considered a "hothouse flower", meaning a person who is either physically or emotionally fragile due to having been sheltered or coddled throughout their life. The constant stream of affection and approval from Shifu (and likely the admiration of folks in the valley) led to him having never experienced a meaningful rejection before then (not counting the whole "being abandoned outside the Jade Palace as an infant" thing), and in turn meant he wouldn't have thought to ask questions about what he was lacking in that CAUSED that rejection, or consider that he could always try again later. To him it would have been, dare I say, a sucker-punch, and what would anyone's first response to getting sucker-punched be, ESPECIALLY when the person who raised you just lets it happen? Getting ANGRY.
Honestly you'd have better luck finding similarities between an ACTUAL tigress and snow leopard than Tigress and Tai Lung. XD
Just because the ideology of a villain might be correct doesn't mean that their actions to that end are justifiable. That's the difference a lot of people who say things like "the villain was right, they did nothing wrong" don't understand.
My favourite quote exemplifies this. “Cool motive, still murder.”
@@Raiethstar Right. I know it's fiction so it shouldn't bother me that much, but the number of people who think horrible actions like that are justifiable or even to be celebrated if the one doing them has motivations they find agreeable is kind of concerning.
as a wise boy from the anime series with questionable quotes once said "just because you are correct doesnt mean that you are right"
@@Raiethstar it's murder that protects us that's the funny part Cops has Guns and the Military also Guns and Nukes and second amendment is there for we can protect ourselves from the tyranny of having a government
killing is not wrong But to rule a country takes wisdom and the heart for YOUR people not people of other countries that take priory over your reasonability or what's the point to have a King or Queen of a Country
A hero is just a hero, but everyone loves a great villain.
Ultron’s conversation with Vision will always stick in my mind
Silco will forever be one of my favorite characters of all time. A truly well written figure, a villian to one side, a hero to the other. One who commits atrocities in the name of liberation and justice. And then, he meets an orphan and adopts her, seeing himself in her and raising her like a daughter. She annoys him at times and makes things complicated, bit even one of the biggest wrenches in his plans she does ends up being all for his sake and his approval. The scene when she gives him the gem and you see him go from rage to love as he realizes what she actually did for their cause and for his approval. The fact that he is a father first, commenting how she'll likely he the death of him and then when that comes to pass, his last words were to try and ease her guilt and show her she was and will always be loved by him. Damn near had me crying.
you’re looking at things from your perspective, from their perspective they feel that they are in the right, imagine being an all powerful vampire who gives humans a chance and the kill the only one you see as worth being alive, imagine being raised your entire life being told that you’re destined to be an amazing warrior and taught nothing but violence and then some random guy you barely know says “no” and nobody argues for your case, obviously you’re gonna feel like everybody is against you, and when they’re against you you either get rid of them or fall below them
Some villains are just heroes pushed to the brink, seeing no other choice.
21:15 i feel like the main argument is that nux views Tai Lung of seeing more. Past what he was literally raised to. If you give a man a fish will it learn to hunt? No. Thats something that must be instilled, desired, humored at least. None of which were brought up with Tai Lung and all of which were kept in check with Tigres.
Nux's argument is that yes Tai lung is egotistical and yes he is very much the antagonist but its against the fact that thats all he could keep hold of. The pride in the destiny that was told to be his from the moment he knew how to fight. Take that pride away and whats left? Something new? Who taught Tai Lung that? Shifu didn't. Oogway didn't. Who would teach Tai Lung better? That there was something more. No one.
Death inherently can't be a villain, you can be scared of it, you can place it as the bad guy, but it just is.
The flaw in that is when Death is personified and given biases against the nature of certain things. When Death becomes proactive and messes with the natural world for personal reasons, it no longer just is.
Death is just the next continuation of life how I see it.
he said hunting Puss was personal, so i think he abused his power
@@masterofinfinity479exactly people forget that
@@masterofinfinity479was puss a hero
The big difference between Tigress and Tai Lung is that one was raised to be a master and the other was raised to be the dragon warrior. Had Tai Lung been raised the same, he’d probably just be another master, but that wasn’t the case. He was raised and promised the title of dragon warrior. He was used and abused by his master in his eyes. All of his hard work and pain built up to the one goal that amounted to a waste of time. It’s very understandable why he became a villain.
I feel like people are completely missing one key thing in understanding Tai Lung, and it’s that Shifu had kept telling him that he would become the Dragon Warrior as long as he kept training hard every day. But then he finds out that he still isn’t good enough and that apparently he would never be good enough. But that’s not the problem, the problem is Shifu never taught Tai Lung how to deal with failure and disappointment. He never taught Tai Lung humility or how to be humble. He was always told he was the best and that he would succeed. Shifu failed Tai Lung as a teacher and as a father. And when Tai Lung was in prison, Shifu never once went to visit Tai Lung to try to talk with him, probably out of shame. I honestly don’t think Tai Lung was completely wrong, he was just misguided and unprepared.
This sums it up perfectly. Shifu's destiny was to train the dragon warrior. It filled him with pride. He molded Tai Lung in the image of his own dream and put that on his own son. Shifu filled Tai Lung with his dreams, not letting Tai Lung figure out his own dreams. That's why that line hits so hard. Shifu pride made him believe Tai Lung was the dragon warrior and in turn as his son, Tai Lung believed it too. With no preparation for a reality where that wasn't the case.
@@d1videbyz3r0 Yeah, and unfortunately for Tai Lung, he was never really given many choices. I’d always wished that Kung Fu Panda had ended with Po giving Tai Lung a chance to surrender and bow to who he always aspired to be. It would’ve been that choice to keep fighting or surrender that would’ve completed Tai Lung’s character if you ask me. It could’ve been that defining moment that would get him destroyed if he stayed on the path he was going or helped him start down the path of redemption.
The difference with tai lung is that he grew up with what shifu taught him and kinda basically molded into what he is because of shifu.
Tigress was kept distant from such a relationship thus she didn’t end like him. If shifu did the same to tigress, she would most likely end up similar.
I learned that villains don’t always do evil things because they’re evil from The Fairly Odd Parents.
It was an episode featuring the in universe superhero comic character The Crimson Chin. In the episode, Timmy learns that all of the Chin’s villains were created by the Chin himself. His negligence and his reckless abandon when he’s “saving the city” is what leads people he “helped” into villainy. Timmy inadvertently creates his own villain and during the fight with him, realizes he can’t be like the Crimson Chin. He has to be better than his hero and he apologizes to the villain. The villain accepts the apology and the fight ends.
It was a great episode and a lesson that will always be relevant.
I don't remember that episode, I only remember the Crimson Chin saying he created the Bronze Kneecap specifically. Was this from the new series, or near the end of the old one?
The true villain who was right is Ultron from Avengers 2. Dude spent 30 minutes on the internet and realized humanity needs to be wiped out
Ultron needed to touch grass.
I think Thanos typifies a villain who isn't wrong, but also isn't right.
@@lucycarlisle9120 oh if we’re going based off Villains who ain’t wrong but also ain’t right either then it’s definitely Magneto in that case
@@treytheriot825what about the people that literally end up quoting the meme "magneto was right"
@@daysand123 those people don’t know what they’re talking about because it’s easy to say that when he’s fictional and you’re not in any danger. This man wants to commit genocide and doesn’t care if his fellow mutants die in the process
honestly, while i think he is well done as the antagonist in the Spider-Verse movies, as an OG Spider-Man 2099 fan, I HATE that Miguel is being seen as a villain by the wider world. in the comics, he can be a dick and extremely single minded but he has never been an outright villain in the main 616 timeline and seeing people call him a villain and push back against his comic version, it bugs me
He'll probably redeem himself in the third movie
I've never called him a villain but the antagonist of the movie, I don't want Miles' pov to be how across the spiderverse ends because that would be the movie *gaslighting* us into thinking Miguel O'Hara was the villain all along
Ohara is wrong about canon events, they are simply the thing from doctor strange
My favorite part of Arcane is when Vi says it's Silco to the council their first reaction is "The Industrialist?" Like the man's known for revolutionizing work output and revamping the city
"Murdering people because of noise, I hear it"
Good pun there, I see it, and I respect it
The God analogy was spot on. Innocent children and infants got eviscerated gurgling salt water.
I would argue that Death is still a villain, partly because he's cheating by trying to claim Puss's last life early and he knows it, but also because his issue starts with the fact that as a cat Puss has nine lives. He feels like that is unnatural and so he dislikes cats, in a world where it's apparently natural to them. So targeting Puss for not appreciating the value of life is also a selfish endeavor where he got to be unnatural to what he decided was unnatural, which is also why he's not initially pleased with the change. Puss not appreciating life just gave him a convenient excuse to decide to take direct action.
His frustration with Puss being careless with the lives he'd had is relatable for sure, because I'm pretty sure that we've all been frustrated with people who take an amazing gift for granted. But that doesn't make him right and still makes him an amazing villain.
Also, I feel like what he means by “right” in that video is more like “right in their reasoning” not necessarily their actions themselves.
Take Tai Lung. He was raised by shifu to be a great kung fu warrior and filled him with the ambition and desire to become the dragon warrior. When he was denied that title, his father and master turned his back on him. In their final fight in the movie it’s made clear that Tai Lung only really desired the approval of his mentor, as we see for a brief moment after shifu apologizes to and tells tai lung he was proud he pauses his attacks and just stands there, finally hearing the words he wanted to hear. But he knows it was as too late for him, he knew he had gone too far. So he continues his rampage
For Tai Lung, all he wanted was the approval of his father figure and for him having the scroll would be what made shifu proud.
He was right in wanting to make his father proud, not right in this rampage.
It wasn’t being rejected it was that his dad looked away from him in shame. In contrast when tigress was rejected sifu literally stood up for her abd questioned his master multiple times validating her worth
24:09 YES!!! YES!!! EXACTLY Lord Nux!!! As YuseiMOTHERLOVINGFudo himself, I CAN confirm that 5d's is literally the same system as Arcane
Love that he brought up 5Ds.
Oogway is literally sensei Wu they both created most of their movie/show's villians
a line i like saying is "A villain does not need a hero, but a hero always needs a villain" that encompasses my thoughts and views on this
Isaac was also a human Dracula saved. He is right on the Noah analogy where God saves the only just humans, Dracula did the same for Isaac and acknowledge the he is the best of humanity.
13:16 Technically Dracula also saved the only just humans : Isaac and Hector.
19:20 oh he’s a villain alright, just not a super one
I think what really destroyed Tai lung was the complete loss of his masters support. Years of working hard to live up to his master expectations only for be let down.
In tai lungs defense. The reason he went full villain was because nobody had his back. No friends o r family to help him deal with his mental and emotional issues after he was turned away. Imagine how different things would have been if shifu would have at least argued with on tai lung’s behalf or at least gave him some kind of support after the decision was made. Basically shifu failed as a father figure
Hold up. If im not wrong, Dracula didnt go for genocide when they killed his wife. He went for genicide when they flexed on him for them killing his wife
Same thing
I wouldn't say Tai Lung is right, but the fact that Shifu said nothing to defend him is what drove him to lash out. I think if Shifu at least tried to fight for what he told Tai Lung to work for all his life, Tai Lung could have learned to accept a different role.
My favorite, "The villain was right" story is the Overlord (video game) series. Written by Terry Pratchet's daughter.
The heroes beat the villain. The heroes then become villains later. So the Overlord exists to finish off whoever wins the fight between villain and hero, because they're going to screw up everything either way.
YES! You should absolutely do the full lore dive on the GOAT of sympathetic backstories, Dr Heinz Doofenshmirtz!
Time for Nux to consume some lore
As one of the 4 females who consume the Nux Niggests, may I rep my kind in this conversation: Elphaba from Wicked and Maleficent are villains who aren't wrong.
"I triggered it thirty-five minutes ago"
Ozymandias from "Watchmen" was probably right in his actions.
I think Nux was wrong about Tai Lung... Nux is not considering one thing and the most important thing about his character... his common sense are not normal. He was specifically raised to be a dragono warrior, his whole life he was taught to become the dragon warrior, so for him being a dragon warrior is everything, in his mind it's the obvious goal for his life yet when the time comes he was said to be not worth the title and the person who shaped his personality and life to becoming one didn't said anything. Oogway saw Tai Lung's ambition and ego but that was how Shifu raised him, Shifu was the one who installed the ambition of becoming a dragon warrior to him and the ego that his is talented and above his peers. As for Tigress, she was like Experiment No 2. everything that Shifu learned not to do with Tai Lung was avoided for Tigress growth so they didnt have the same kind of learning experience growing up, she was raised more properly.
A good example would be Dabi from My Hero. He was literally raised the same way as Tai Lung and at the end (at least on his pov) he taught his father abandoned him. Now he became a villain to 'prove his worth and those people are wrong'. He wants people he cared about to look his way.
Nux's dad med school analogy isn't really right. The difference is with his example, the dad lets his son dream and then shattered that dream. while Tai Lung has his 'dad' install that dream to him then shatters it. One let the son dream, the other spoon fed the dream to his son.
Dam, that Thai Lung rant got me thinking about Ninjago (I swear first disciples are cursed in that series)
I'm with Ice King.
Dude deserves to finally be happy
25:45- Love how Nux just unintentionally describes the world of The Oblongs here.
*CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES!!*
Ha! Classic.
But. It did have great commentary on classism.
"Heroes are reactive and villains are proactive" not neccessarily. Do the villains usually want to change the status quo and, thus, are proactive? Yes!
But then, If the status quo is a bad one, wouldn't the hero be the proactive one? V for Vendetta kinda stuff
They want to change the status quo in response to something that has happened, that's pretty reactive
@@svenkrisenberg6684 hmmmm, If you look at It that way, than yes, It would be a reaction to the installing of a bad status quo, but, then, wouldn't a villan reacting to an installing of a good status quo also be a reaction?
@@guest-ck9jh that would just be a villain villain, the classic ones tend to want to make things evil
The “Angry God of the Old Testament” is something I hear all the time as a Christain and it pisses me off
Hopefully this remains the first and last Adventure Time spoiler
Tai lung was right oogway knew a panda was going to be the dragon warrior the WHOLE time. So oogway let tai lung spend his whole life training for something he’ll never get id crashout too 🤦🏿♂️
Fax like.... what, I'd be like " u got me sooo fcked up!!"🤣🤣
Otto Apocalypse and Kevin Kaslana from Honkai Impact 3rd. Well, they are more antagonists than villains.
There is also Sunday from Star Rail.
When it comes to morality i don't think any show does it better than the Ancient Magus' Bride
I love that show
I’ve been waiting for a video like this
Hey Nux, if you like this video I suggest you also react to the ''Sympathy for the Monster'' from
Curious Archive,
Thank you nux this makes me feel justified after watching this video
Also the Beowulf and Grendel story is so goated man. Yoi hate the insanity of the villain but can understand to a degree his personality or atleast sympathize with their loneliness
As one of my favorite quotes from a DLC from my favorite character says: History decides Heroes and Villians based on a basis different than reality.
Nux: Murdering people because of noise is pretty based."
as a Silencer main in Dota, i felt that.
May you survive the various Lore and Story rewrites, Lord Nux-a-lore.
Comics Explained also has a "Villains who were right" YT playlist. (currently has 4, Dr.Doom , Magneto, The Punisher , and the Joker)
You better have gloves on when you're bagging my food
Ayo, Yugioh 5Ds was slept on. I knew it was different when Yusei was throwing hands with cops and people actually dying and shit. That shit was the best none child friendly Yugioh IP ever.
Just some examples of villains who were right off the top of my head. Char Aznable from UC Gundam (just ignore Gundam: The Origin or at least the anime version), Masato Aizawa from Yakzua 5, Masataka Ebina from Infinite Wealth, Killmonger, Magneto, IDW Comic's Megatron. just villains that in one way or another make a damn good point. We get why they're doing what they do and at one point you could see the heroes agreeing with them but their methods are just too far.
RAP TAP TAP ,RAP TAP TAP THE MAN IN THE WALL "rell"
Man you should play FFXIV. I think it might end up being one of your favorite stories of all time. It ended up mine, alongside One Piece, Hunter x Hunter & Vinland Saga. Of course I can't say more about FFXIV 'cause it'd be spoilers. But it easily has some of the best villains of all time. And my personal favorite villain of all time.
YOO lets go another silco fan, they werent perfect, but they were family
i would love a silco deepdive from you man (maybe a main channel project one day?)
Silco and Jinx are the good guys imo
As an American, I will always side with the revolutionaries.
30:48 is one of the best jokes in animation history.
Death was in the right because puss in boots was literally WASTING his 9 lives and death was sick of it so he thought he’d save puss the trouble and end his final life and then puss like a coward wanted to literally WISH for more lives until he realised he shouldn’t want more lives and instead should continue living the one he has without wasting it (death is also my favourite character in puss in boots the last wish and all 3 villains were awesome and it’s impressive how dreamworks managed to SUCCESSFULLY do multiple villains like jack was unapologetically a heartless jerk and then Goldie locks and the 3 bears were really funny especially the 3 bears and especially papa bear and then death was so awesome and threatening and I loved his whistling)
When the villains have got a better realistic sympathetic feel to them, plus their motivations are better than the heros/protagonists then you know their spitting.
Miguel reminds me of Strange Supreme from What If. Both wrecked an entire reality by going against the canon, but Miguel saw what he did and decided that something like that will never happen again on his watch. For better or worse.
When you are a child, you admire the Hero but when you grow up you will realise that the Villain was right. Life, somtimes, is a pain in the ass.
The fanatic is incorruptible: if he kills for an idea, he can just as well get himself killed for one; in either cases, tyrant or martyr, he's a monster.
Rammattra from overwatch is also like a villain/antagonist… he was a monk and wanted peace after being created for war and when that didn’t work and humans kept killing/beating omnics he said screw it and made an army and just kills people now
"Murdering someone because of noise? I hear it" Nux 2024
Rafigi said it best "oh yes, the past can hurt.... But the way I see it, you can either run from it or learn from it"
Another outcome from the hero and villain clashing is a common enemy appears forcing the hero and villain to work together, putting aside their own ideals for the sake of the world they live in.
A great example of this is in pokemon the movie 2000, yes team rocket wants to steal Ash's Pikachu but they realize that that goal means nothing if the world is destroyed. So they use their expertise in making contraptions to help ash save the world.
Hm, very well done Video, i really like these types of Villains.
So funny that this is what was uploaded...
I really wanna see Nux react to some of the gnarly stuff from Sae
Emperor Charles zi Britannia is also a wild ride when it comes to villains and the philosophies held by characters. Great villain.
@Nuxanor, if you see this, I think you might enjoy Film Theory's "cycle of evil" kung fu panda video. It takes a look into Oogway and his teachings and how they effected everyone else, and makes Tai Lung even more sympathetic.
10:26 draculas wife being burned was also a hate crime
17:20 nah they just knew he'd flip when he saw the scroll was blank. Personality issues
Tai lung was used as a social experiment by Oogway so that Shifu would learn humility and become a better kung fu master so that when he chose the true dragon warrior, that would be his successor, he could actually train him properly.
Guess what that makes Oogway the real bad guy in this situation. Think about it. Shifu is so devoted to his master that when he said Tai Lung was unworthy Shifu even after a decade and a half of being a father chose to abandon his child and turn away from him.
That’s a sycophantic level of devotion. Do you really think that Oogway could not have rolled up and said “hey you’re being a terrible master ” to steer him down the proper path instead of shaking his head in the background and saying nothing for over a decade. The only rational justification is that he wanted things to play out in the specific way and sacrifices a child to make it happen.
"JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE CORRECT DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE RIGHT"
How is THIS the video that makes me realize Doofenschmirtz is literally just an alternative version of Phineas/Ferb doomed by fate.
Nux: “I’ll be doing a deep dive into league lore”
.. well… looks like we’ll be here for a Loooooooooong time
also DAMN YES, NUX, my favourite content machine and reaction channel, appreciates Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds. I’m so happy now
40:17 Hence why I love Magneto and Mr. Freeze
The hebrew roots for the villains - imagine my shock!
Good video to choose from!
I was thinking: Nuxanor should try this: "Thrawn: a COMPLETE Life story (Canon) part 1" by the channel: "MetaNerdz Lore".
You could do League Lore from regions other than Piltover and Zaun. Shurima is so interesting, with the Ascendeds and all. The civil wars in Freljörd. The long and corrupted history of the Hallowed Islands, now known as the Shadow Isles.
So much fucking fantastic Lore to discover. :)
Death is THE hero. Sent to rescue you from all the crap you've inflicted on the earth.
I would like to hear Nuxanor's thoughts on the anime, "Shiki," where vampires try to take over a town.
🧛♂️🧛♀️🧛
Another example could be Garou from the One Punch Man anime. He was a human who called himself a monster and was known by the heroes as a "Hero Hunter". Except Garou was fighting for himself, not even other monsters. He was just sick and tired of the villains losing all the time, even though some villains have ideal reasons as to why they are villains.
“Ultimately, history decides justice” *insert Doflamingo speech here*
man I just going to put this i love it that you look into the warhammer 40k story of Rylanor the Unyielding he great thank have great day never stop the lore man.
It sucks that nux got slightly spoiled
Oh boy, how i so HATE this notion people have now days that a only good vilain is a relatable/sad one, because muh feeling.
Sorry but no, a comically evil, i wanna destroy everything vilain is absolutely a good vilain too, if properly constructed.