Was 'Havana Syndrome' a case of mass hysteria? | DW News
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- It was a story straight out of a spy novel. A mysterious weapon used by hostile agents to target US diplomats around the world. A previously unknown technology in the hands of the enemies of the free world. It even has a name straight from the thriller section: 'The Havana Syndrome.'
Back in 2016, US staff of the American embassy in Cuba started complaining of severe headaches, nausea and other symptoms after hearing high pitched sounds. An official report backed up reports of brain damage, possibly caused by a sonic weapon. The syndrome has been reported from various locations across the globe since then.
It's become a political issue too. Politicians have pointed their finger at Russia as possibly being behind the attacks. Christopher Miller, the former Acting Defense Secretary under Donald Trump called the suspected directed energy attacks an 'act of war.'
But now in the latest twist in this murky saga, a large scale CIA report into the Havana Syndrome reportedly says that those suffering from the condition were not targeted in a global campaign by a foreign power. In fact, it concluded that the vast majority of cases were the result of stress or other conventional medical explanations.
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the expression "the free world" is so absurd
Its so free look at Julian Assange lol
If you are able to watch this you are part of the free world congratulation.
Free world is not free but enslaved by slaves who are owned by there masters 🤔 wow
It's a Cold War term. Back during the cold war the west was the free world. The rest were behind the iron curtain
"When politics are mixed with science, the outcome is not good."
Just like with the covsvax
If you paid well to see a zebra or a bear you will see a zebra or a bear.
I bet not many people understood the analogy
It’s no conspiracy it’s been happening to me for 5 years
I'm so sorry to hear that 😟
Me too for several years.
By definition it is a conspiracy. Two or more people are involved in causing you harm, which is illegal. So it is a conspiracy.
Seek out psychiatric help. It being a mass psychogenic illness does not make it not real.
I have havana syndrome and i believe they know what is causing it the weapon M.E.D.U.S.A they can do alot with this weapon, even more so with it combined with other technology like gene editing and magnetic nanoparticles, it allows them to use remote neural monitoring and synthetic telepathy. The combo of those two can allow them to read your thoughts also be brainwash or mind control people. By making you hear their voices really quiet to make you believe they are your original thoughts and if they cant do that they torture you to make you comply to their demands. Those sounds are made by low levels of EMF, they can vibrate anything magnetic and can even use that to produce buzzing sounds that sound like electronic or machine noise. This has been going on for a while started back in the 60's with mk ultra and studies of silent audio, aka the Frey effect. Back in the 90's had a major change to the technology allowing more than synthetic telepathy like reading minds, controling people, remote neural monitoring which can show them what the person thinks and even what they can see with your eyes and what they picture in your mind by reading the visual cortex. They also can pick up what you hear by monitoring the signal from the ear to brain. They also will measure micro expressions of your throat, tongue and jaw to get 9 out of 10 words that you say to yourself in your head. Its all in the purpose of gathering intel and controlling people, with no care to what damage they do in the process.
American conspiratorial mindset could be the down fall of USA.
Actually the conspirers will be the downfall of America and the world in general. But there is someone more powerful then then. Their time from now is short.
@@rettahenshaw3987 Yes. America had two mass shootings recently because the shooters believed in conspiracy theories
@@gabrielc.2177 No because our government are a*& holes
This is actually quite hilarious, "there's something called physics". Somehow it doesn't surprise me that this kind of situation developed in the US, where common sense apparently started to evaporate many years ago.
Are you saying this kind of thing isnt possible according to science and the laws of physics? Because it actually is. Its also been proven that they can influence the behaviour of mammals wirelessly using ultrasound, microwaves and who knows what else. People with havana syndrome also have similar symptoms to thought broadcasting and spiritual experiences. Thought broadcasting has essentially been proven to be real multiple times including a few times by the cia and standford research institute.
Do some googling around “targeted individuals”. It’s either a thing or a big coordinated disinformation campaign.
Like I think it’s pretty funny that those who usually get accused of doing this stuff to civilians have a hysterical meltdown because they are coming down with the same symptoms “the loonies” are all complaining of
"Incompetence" LOL! To the point! Well said, man!
Really? Explain how a poor woman in Ok. can be involved in this mass hysteria without knowing about it until now.
Academics know better. Obviously.
/sarc
Americans never fail to surprise in terms of their level of conspiratorial thinking.
It's 5G... it can bring down planes but it'd safe for humans lol..OK.
9.1.1 tower 7 didn't blow itself up
Huh, it was the CIA, and American agency, which is saying it isn’t real.
Except it effected other countries embassies and personal as well.
I mean, the high pitched noise is something one should just disregard.
@@user-dv7hq2rh4g tinnitus, it's very common
I heard a continuous noise inside of my head and the headaches haven't stopped since then.
Is the CIA going to Apologise to the Russians and the Chinese and Cubans?
As an American I never bought this. When I see stories on Havana Syndrome in Print or RUclips I was taken by the amount of ordinary people reporting the same. Could be TIA.
Well if there was no foreign involvement I guess that narrows it down quite a bit doesn't it?
Exactly
Dimensional involvement LoL
The guy in the middle looks like the T-1000's son
@@thechrisandphaedrusshow he's back to avenge his father
@@thechrisandphaedrusshow 😆 🤖 😆
How can it affect only a selected group of people? And how isn't that the local public are not affected by these sound/sonic waves?🙄🤔🤔🙄
Mass psychogenic illness follows social networks. Why were not any Cubans affected by the sound/microwaves?
@@robertbartholomew9237 the govt and the different agencies don't have an answer to this question 🙄🙄🙄
@@e.sanoop110 This fits the mass psychogenic illness explanation perfectly as it follows social networks. Others were unaffected because they were not told they were the target of this new alleged weapon. The FBI report, the Jason Report and now the CIA are all pointing in the same direction - US officials need to take the advice of their own intelligence agencies.
@@robertbartholomew9237 Doc you might be right but if it was directed energy then this is a simple question to answer....'Directed energy'. The same reason a bullet didn't kill everyone in a building. There is even crowd control using directed energy that doesn't penetrate the skin yet has an boiling effect. This is not new nor an unreasonable hypothesis. Wrong maybe according to various reports. But as trumpers/antitrumpers prove, official reports only work when they fit your beliefs. And for the record, politics is often involved with science.
@@nunyabusiness863 Yes - politics is often involved in science, but the repercussions are enormous (eg, global warming, anti-vaxxers). There are energy weapons but they don't work well, otherwise Russia would be amassing energy weapons on the Ukraine border instead of conventional artillery guns and tanks. The energy with acoustic waves for instance, dissipates with distance. If microwaves, it would shut down WiFi systems and turn off computers but none of this was reported. Of the first victims who fell unwell in Cuba, 8 recorded the sounds they said accompanied their symptoms. They turned out to be the mating call of the Indies short-tailed cricket. I do not deny the existence of energy weapons, but in this particular instance, there is zero evidence of their use.
I personally experience the same things like what it discribed in hawana syndrom on 28-29 july 2019 on Copenhagn but not because of the sonic or microwave weapon but because of the 3 guys bits me so badly, so i loose my memory not only for 1 or 2 weaks but for almost 5 months, but the worst part over here is that danish government kick me out from there and give protection to the person who did violence against me. I think justic, human and humanity is just a show off things for those who called themself developed, civilized and resourcesful.
On to Dw to bring balanced perspective
"Was Havana Syndrome a case of Mass Hysteria"? The answer is no, but COVID-19 certainly was!!!
HAH! 😂
@@microfarming8583 difficult to make that fit - they left the borders open without restrictions for two months after Taiwan put restrictions in place and then started hammering boards across the doors when the horse was out of the barn, over the hill and procreating with the neighbour's donkey
Awesome video!
Russians, the perfect scapegoats
That didn’t age too well.
Somebody should tell robert e. bartholomew about MK Ultra.
Excellent point to raise MK Ultra. But just because such programs existed does not mean it happened in this case with a secret microwave or sonic device. There is zero evidence of a wespon.
So what about the sanctions imposed on Cuba and Iran for this mass hysteria?
What? There weren’t any sanctions imposed for the havana syndrome
@@yellowbic7670 isn't assert freeze to pay off "those who claimed to have experience the symptoms" sanctions on Cuba and Iran?
Mass hysteria doesn't cause brain damage.
Psychology… how ‘bout, you just had the CIA tell you it wasn’t a foreign power. They don’t admit guilt more obviously than that. 🙄
They just keep saying the victims are delusional, but never showed us any solid evidence.
We have never said the victims are delusional in a psychiatric sense. They are not mentally ill or crazy - they are simply experiencing a stress reaction.
@@robertbartholomew9237 You are not a victim, you just guess things arbitrarily.
How can a stress reaction cause brain injury, concussion, special markers in the blood, Parkinson's disease, Leukemia, etc. ?
@@universalalpha7901 If you take the time to read the 2 JAMA studies - there was no brain injury - that was a myth. There were minor brain anomalies found in a small cohort of patients - something that is common in small cohorts. Brain anomalies is very different from claiming brain damage. Both the CIA and FBI officials who conducted their own reviews would have realized this as well, that's why they came out against the foreign power involvement hypothesis. The claims of Parkinson's, special markers, etc. - it's bad science. Any scientist who is competent and reads the JAMA studies will know that they were seriously flawed - so much so that there should be an investigation into why they were even published in the first place. That's the real mystery of Havana Syndrome - how those studies ever got published.
This is no conspiracy theory, this is a very real and present danger to humanity. The powerful guys don't want the public to be aware of it, they want to implement Mass Neural Monitoring / Mass Brain Control over the entire human society.
@@universalalpha7901 There may be government conspiracies out there - but when you objectively evaluate the evidence - not in this case.
Dude, they have brain damage on scans and there's no head trauma that caused it. How can they get actual physical brain damage from mass psychogenic illness?
I get their argument fear is powerful but the evidence is clear and physical. People have lost their vision
The victims' suffering and injuries are very real. The psychiatrists who make arbitrary conclusions without actually meeting with the victims and consulting experts from other fields, are irresponsible and actually cruel to the victims.
NBC News has a video that shows us the real suffering and symptoms of the victims. I want to post a link but RUclips keeps deleting it.
Interestingly, that's part of the problem. When people meet the victims they can be swayed by emotions. The victims of psychogenic illness are experiencing real symptoms. I do not need to meet the victims - all I need to do is read the studies of the victims. The real investigation should be how publications like the Journal of the American Medical Association published such flawed studies. There never was brain damage or hearing loss or white matter tract changes. The CIA investigators would have known that as well, that's why they concluded what they did. There is enough blame to go around here - shoddy journalism, shoddy science, and incompetent government. The FBI reached a similar conclusion.
Very
I agree with you, at least partly.
It's like "psychic spies". The Americans can't let anyone know they're using them, if they are. So the idea has to be poo-pooed for strategic reasons. I don't like it scientifically, but it makes a lot of sense.
The police also cannot let the public know if or when they use psychics. It's safer to say that they don't use them.
very true
some other possibilities occur to me: a communication system using some new EM process or spectrum (pulsed microwaves was mentioned) and/or navigation for same (guidance for drones, tracking local air traffic without detection)
Ding ding ding. We have a winner!
There is a book written by a Japanese officer called "Night Movements" from arround 1911. Worth the read.
"Was Havana Syndrome a case of Mass Hysteria"? The answer is no, but COVID-19 certainly was.
@@microfarming8583 nice try, glow harder
@@microfarming8583 Please go visit a psychologist and fix whatever trauma you have that is making you like this.
@@thastayapongsak4422 I guess the trauma made me strong enough to face hard facts and the truth, unlike your feeble self 😊
crickets
Nothing wrong to assume the worst when it comes to your enemies.
The brain damage is real , its def a Sonic weapon
Who said Americans have brains lol
The JAMA study never found brain damage, they found minor brain anomalies in a small cohort - which is very common. Those same anomalies can be generated by exposure to prolonged stress.
Just because some of them were cases of mass hysteria does not mean that they all were.....
When 99% of your sample pool is mass hysteria and 1% MAY be legitemate concern, it cant be investigated because of false claims. And since symptoms are identical, there's absolutely no way to determine which is a true case and which isnt.
Absolutely - and that is what we concluded - many were people redefining an array of vague symptoms under a new label.
A good chess player anticipates the moves of one’s opponent better than one’s opponent does. Is it better to interpret something now while still able, than to encounter it later when the resolution is extremely difficult, or impossible. A future avoided is being defined.
Reference: 1947, nuclear missile silos going offline despite redundant systems to make that impossible.
Fascinating story! Full of ingredients for a spy comedy.
Our own government could have done it to them just to blame Cuba.
These guys must be fun at parties. I wonder why the PNAS didn't invite them.
IV BEEN HEARING THEM SAME SOUNDS HERE WERE I LIVE AT
Swamp gas. Nothing to see here. Lol
So clearing it out was part of the deal regarding Ukraine?
I’ve done my own experiments with mass crowds. Some people are aware some are not.
I naver see and heared this type of non-sence medical professional in my entire life, rather than invistigating question 'why', he made a conclusion on the basic of his own nonsence reason.
That Dr was so angry. Which doesn’t make him any more believable. Facts please, not your emotions.
Seemed passionate to me than angry. Also he explained everything factually not emotionally so your statement doesn't really seem appropriate either.
You can tell Bartholomew is just really angry and petty he was ignored
You misperceive anger for enthusiasm - I am excited that the CIA is finally setting the record straight. We reached virtually the same conclusion 18 months ago. I am not angry we were ignored. We have done many interviews over the past 4 years giving the psychogenic explanation. In fact, my guess is that the CIA study would have been assisted by our study. For 4 years most news outlets got this story wrong and failed to do their homework. My first career was as a journalist. It's journalism 101 to give a balanced side of the story - and if your are claiming there was brain damage - at least take the time to review the studies. Any competent scientist who took the time to read the JAMA studies would know that they were seriously flawed and did not show brain damage.
@@robertbartholomew9237 Notice the UFO books Any connections?
@@robertsutton8894 Hi Robert - Yes - I wrote a book on the history of UFOs from a social psychological perspective. While the CIA says there are 2 dozen unexplained cases, that does not mean it was caused by a microwave weapon - just like UFOs where a recent US Government study found that some of the objects under scrutiny were unexplained. Typically the 'unexplained' category is a codeword for 'insufficient information.'
@@robertbartholomew9237 from the very beginning of this story I suspected mass psychogenic illness. Thanks for your work.
@@chrisperez3614 Thank you Chris - your words are much appreciated as I continue to receive a lot of hate mail. Now the US Congress is about to pay 'victims' compensation for an illness they cannot verify, yet this same Congress cannot even agree on banning assault weapons. It's a strange world we live in.
What if someone's trying to connect to our collective consciousness?
This is dead wrong!
But what about the original cases in Cuba? Are those real or also mass hysteria?
The original cases in Cuba were a combination of mass psychogenic illness triggered by prolonged stress after the diplomats were told the may be the targets of a mysterious new sonic weapon; others were simply redefining a variety of common and not so common ailments under a new label - 'Havana Syndrome.' Claims that some of the Cuban victims suffered brain damage proved to be unfounded.
@@robertbartholomew9237 as a person experiencing similar symptoms that were triggered by stress, (NOT a US diplomat - definitely NOT attacked by a mystery vestibular system damaging weapon), I wish people would understand this. It would help the sufferers in order to move on with their lives.
@@a0ch Well stated - and you have highlighted the heart of the issue - most people do not understand the power of stress and psychosomatic conditions - which are NOT a sign of weakness, they are a sign of stress which everyone is susceptible to. Usually in cases like this the symptoms will gradually subside as the stress subsides, but as they have been told that they have brain damage - the stress has continued to reek havoc.
Dr B you deserve a victory lap because a skeptical analysis should've been conducted. However, it's foolish to assume a political motive for very real symptoms felt. Isn't it possible that a high energy microwave or directed energy device can cause symptoms that are not measurable by the time they get to an mri?
'We couldn't measure it so it's not there' is not a balanced view, it's dogmatic. They offically said the same thing about uaps until last year.
Let me clarify - the symptoms of psychogenic illness are as real as any physical illness. Also, many of the victims did not have psychogenic illness but were redefining vague symptoms under a new label. As for the microwave observation - it couldn't have been microwaves because it would shut down WiFi systems, turn off computers, etc. (this was not reported) and all of the initial recordings of strange sounds that were said to coincide with their attack - were determined to have been the mating calls of crickets. Also, you cannot record microwaves.
@@robertbartholomew9237 Thanks again for your response dr. You responded to another of my comments and it is most appreciated. The more time i consider it, the more i actually think you're right.
Just because phychic soldiers doesn't works well doesn't means microwave weapon doens't too
all the talk based on the speakers delusion , they looks more like have hysteria.
Multi-Billions Medical Industries 'never will tell you the Truth'
specially if it's Israel, India, Russia or Germany or Switzerland
It's ariels
Someone has been reading too much Shakespeare lol.
One report evidenced a victim of Havana Syndrome that had to wear a weighted vest to help coordinate balance in order to walk, along with a service canine to assist him further. Mass hysteria, or other psychological factors cannot account for the nature of the injuries to neural networking compromised on the function of the brain.
Psychological analysis is insufficient, causing a meld in the need for explanation. A technological weapon would be linear in the damage. In an analogy, to be struck by a bullet indicates the linear trajectory of the projectile that does the injury. A bullet that bypasses damage is impossible when the linear trajectory continues behind what should be damaged. In short, a weapons technology cannot bypass linear means to account for the injury. Bullets do not magically appear, and then disappear, only to reappear again.
An exceptional extrapolation must be made. In my own frames of a reference, Jesus healed the cripples brought to him on stretchers. The first reaction is disbelief. The second reaction is an explanation other than what it appears to be. The third reaction is the impossibility. The fourth reaction is to meet one of the known cripples that got up and walked away. The fifth reaction was to go out into the desert where this was taking place, where 5,000 people with jaws dropped for 3 days were watching the physical reality become a sneeze with a God bless you. They went without food for 3 days. Jesus asked what they had to feed them. There is only one Pizzeria. Twelve basketfuls of outer crust were taken up. Who sent out the order for the Pizza? Jesus. Where did he send it? The Miracle, down by the dry cleaners.
Sometimes we just have to send out for Pizza without knowing where it came from. As long as it tastes good, meaning the interpretation is the actuality, then the location of the Pizzeria will eventually become known. Calling on the phone for the directions to pick it up started with sending for delivery. All it takes is the leap of faith: What convention cannot account for, means it is outside of convention. To consider further, the isolation of the cause of neurological damage cannot be attributed to psychological factors. This is especially true when the damage is behind other neural tissue that should have been damaged.
The magic bullet? Come on,now. If it is one, I am heading out into that desert for that fellah to send out for Pizza to heal that.
Just a note from someone that remains open to what exists beyond convention. So did the cripples that just got up and walked away.
First reaction, second reaction, third reaction, fourth reaction.
Fifth reaction.
Now, take it a step further. A healer does not fail to heal, nor generate a magic bullet. What does it mean when a miracle does damage instead of heal? One possible consideration is that Havana Syndrome is something other than a hostile adversary that developed a sophisticated technology off of the radar of known convention. What if the need for a miracle became directed at the intelligence community?
Sixth reaction: Nuclear war, climate change, food shortages, collapse of all that we know. Intelligence community, I direct a collective need for a miracle at you to resolve this. You cannot be healed, I cannot be healed. Collective unconscious. Humanity. Earth. Where from here? I project my uncertainty upon you that has the strength to endure to resolve this. I endure along with you. The miracle of your strength is the miracle of my strength. Until we learn together for what exists beyond the planet that is being destroyed, we cannot receive the miracle that we need.
Seventh reaction….
If it's a mental condition than why this mental condition happen, if you argue with the basic of 'stress' than 99% of the people in this world have some short of stress or some short of mental fluctation because of gap between desire and exact emvironment created by his own brain, than why this not happen with rest of the population?
I heard such noise while in Singapore, this thing doesn't let you concentrate, you cant sleep, you start forgetting things, But somehow it has helped me to think and reason like never before.
I see/hear what you did there hahaha 🙏🏼
Redpilled
Mass hysteria is the kind of thing that one cannot see when one is part of it......................................................
Russia is going to start WW3, get your nuclear bunkers ready.
It's also easy to slap the label on others, and discount their experience with the wave of a hand. UAPs were "mass hysteria" too, until the Navy acknowledged them.
Excellent observation.
Someone in russia now is getting promoted (joke)
''free world'' nothing like unfairly putting Cuba into this, while they mind their own business.
I have havana syndrome and i believe they know what is causing it the weapon M.E.D.U.S.A they can do alot with this weapon, even more so with it combined with other technology like gene editing and magnetic nanoparticles, it allows them to use remote neural monitoring and synthetic telepathy. The combo of those two can allow them to read your thoughts also be brainwash or mind control people. By making you hear their voices really quiet to make you believe they are your original thoughts and if they cant do that they torture you to make you comply to their demands. Those sounds are made by low levels of EMF, they can vibrate anything magnetic and can even use that to produce buzzing sounds that sound like electronic or machine noise. This has been going on for a while started back in the 60's with mk ultra and studies of silent audio, aka the Frey effect. Back in the 90's had a major change to the technology allowing more than synthetic telepathy like reading minds, controling people, remote neural monitoring which can show them what the person thinks and even what they can see with your eyes and what they picture in your mind by reading the visual cortex. They also can pick up what you hear by monitoring the signal from the ear to brain. They also will measure micro expressions of your throat, tongue and jaw to get 9 out of 10 words that you say to yourself in your head. Its all in the purpose of gathering intel and controlling people, with no care to what damage they do in the process.
I believe it
A hangover
How come smart people always have stacks of books behind them when they speak?
It's a brain flex. Reading books written by fellow echo chamber scientists authorizes speaking in absolutes, disqualifying common sense disagreements. It's sad.
It's just a visual device that suits the subject. A lawyer would have law books behind them. A general academic would have a full bookshelf behind them.
Hysteria Ray
These Americans should lay of the DMT when they are bored 😐
So how about Covid-19?
Voodoo curse
Tinnitus
It was crickets.
The timing of this incident matched the move from previous administration to close Cuba again.
They needed an excuse, so the attack story was made up.
The U.S. has "sonic" weapons. The Long-Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) is an acoustic sound cannon and sonic weapon developed by Genasys. The Academy of Doctors of Audiology states that 'Individuals exposed to weaponized LRAD used at the 2009 G20 Summit experienced mild traumatic brain injuries, permanent hearing loss, tinnitus (ringing in the ears), eardrum perforation (holes), ear pain, dizziness, and disorientation. DW, again fakes the news.
@CRAM MARC Sure, but frequencies above 22khz are not heard, but felt, same with frequencies below 8khz, which can move internal organs around in the body. This tech has been around for decades, DW makes it sound like "magic thinking" when it is real. During WW2 the Japanese even worked on a microwave weapon to boil the enemy from the inside. Not "magic", but real.
@@nuqwestr
Yes.
This technology has been in existence for decades.
Point is, this specific incident was done by crickets.
And there was an underlying agenda to re-close Cuba.
And it worked.
@@Dangic23 Quite to opposite: "A controversial FBI Behavioral Unit study concluded that the most likely cause of the Havana Syndrome was psychogenic illness, a finding that was used to justify subsequent inaction on the part of Trump’s CIA and State Department."
Except it wasn't limited to one instance in Cuba. It was also part of the reason US diplomats left China after trying to negotiate a trade deal under Trump.
I have some evidences of this.
You'll excuse me but im using a aging cellular and I can assure you i can feel the radiowave in my hands holding the pos.
When in doubt, blame The Russians.
Hysteria all over the place
Это оружие одно из самых чудовищных изобретений современности! Больше всех преуспели в разработке в ссср. Жертвами станоятся даже простые небогатые люди по причине безнаказанности и доступности к изготовлению и применению этого оружия.Посмотрите на недавние судебные процессы в США над этническими мафиями из бывшего ссср. Эпидемия псиоружия стремительно расет. Не хотелось бы видеть как " умники" ,которые завтра станут жертвами пситеррора, будут в истерике ползать и отлавливать сверчков.
Nonsense. It's happening, they just can't figure it out.
Based on what evidence?
🤪🤪🤪
@@theyarecomingforyou The U.S. has "sonic" weapons. The Long-Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) is an acoustic sound cannon and sonic weapon developed by Genasys. The Academy of Doctors of Audiology states that 'Individuals exposed to weaponized LRAD used at the 2009 G20 Summit experienced mild traumatic brain injuries, permanent hearing loss, tinnitus (ringing in the ears), eardrum perforation (holes), ear pain, dizziness, and disorientation. DW, again fakes the news.
@@theyarecomingforyou based on court documents related to Canadian government employees suing the government for injuries sustained in Cuba.
Psychologist saying “incompetence” is truly unprofessional.
He is frustrated that no one consulted him, we need to be open in discussions regarding scientific topics.
Rejecting all symptoms as hysteria is absurd. Some or most must have been hysteria.
Even Hysteria is not something which means nothing, it caused distress to many and how much DALYs were lost, are we going to negate that?
Sigmund Freud changed his line from a case of hysteria as it was an incredible phenomenon.
All psychology - doesnt mean something just doesnt exist. Distress exist,
We have never rejected all of the symptoms as 'hysteria' or 'psychogenic.' We clearly state in our book that many reports of 'Havana Syndrome' were simply people redefining an array of ambiguous health complaints under a new label - 'Havana Syndrome.' No psychogenic illness was involved in these cases, while in others they clear were. To think that the US government spent 5 years and 10s of millions of dollars on this case and mistook the mating calls of crickets for a sonic/microwave attack - I would say the word 'incompetence' fits perfectly.
Just like with drugs, technological attacks can cause psychological illness.
Most doctors send people home when they can't physically locate the cause of an illness. I knew after 3 months of vomiting and 2 hours of reading exactly what it was. They *chose* to ignore me for another year.
I was ill due to biliary dyskinesia for almost 2 years before a doctor was brave enough to simply remove my gallbladder. What did he find? No stones, no history of others finding stones when they "looked" and plenty of scar tissue (due to this elusive biliary dyskinesia). It finally stopped my gallbladder from functioning at all. Then it was removed
@@user-xp5jz6dh5y Hi J - I do not doubt that what you have written is true - and I am sorry that you had such a painful experience - but in the case of Havana Syndrome - all of the facts point to a psychogenic origin.
@@robertbartholomew9237 not all. If you haven't experience these symptoms you have no clue. I don't know what causes it or what it really is but it is definitely a physical illness. Mine could be related to my autoimmune or fibromyalgia.
@@rettahenshaw3987 Psychogenic symptoms are very real - I have always said that - but it is also important to keep in mind that some people are experiencing symptoms that are neither psychogenic nor have anything to do with an energy weapon - they are ailments that they would have gotten anyway. I am very sympathetic to your suffering, but skeptical it is from a microwave device. As for my confidence that what is going on is of psychogenic origin (minus the people who are redefining various health complaints) - this is worth noting - that the main CIA investigation, the FBI investigation, and the 2021 Jason report by elite specialist scientists are all very skeptical that an attack took place. Why is that? You've got this recent report from early February from a small panel of outside advisors to the CIA claiming in a small number of cases, it was likely an attack by an energy weapon. That's exactly what the National Academy of Sciences panel concluded. The same man who chaired the NAS panel, chaired that small CIA advisory panel (David Relman). The main CIA panel and the FBI and the Jason panel have got it right - and they would have had access to all kinds of secret documents that the Relman panels did not. Anyway - I genuinely wish you well - and I hope you have a full recovery. Take care and best wishes - Robert
Hilarous
it's one thing to put this forward as a possible explanation. it's totally another to assert with so much certainty that psychogenic illness is the only possibility. that's pretty irresponsible given the evidence and it also really undermines your credibility. it also doesnt help that only one of you is a scientist and the other is a sociologist who specializes in psychogenic illness -- i.e. a hammer looking for a nail.
Yes!!! From everything I have heard them say (more than just here) it seems they have only gathered information from second hand sources that have nothing to do with the physical changes of the people's brains. They have not said anything about looking into evidence of the physical damage that might have occurred. They just say there wasn't any. Did they look at the scans? Not checking everything out really undermines their credibility as well.
Maybe they got drugged down with psychiatric drugs and got terrorised by noiseattacking mafia or criminels.
Also knows as "Raves" back in my time... nowadays is dubstep? They had the drugs and noise attacks
I don’t think it’s mass hysteria. Many civilians have complained of similar symptoms over the years and have claimed these things are being done remotely to them. The info on the net about this phenomenon certainly likes to point at intel or defence agencies as responsible.
Mostly stress induced symptoms combined with lunatic conspiracy groups. If you honestly think someone powerful or a government is remotely doing something to you, without any probable cause such as engaging in political activism, working in media, etc. Then please go visit a psychologist.
@@thastayapongsak4422 it’s something to consider. Mine started after I started looking into activism. Those groups are somewhat of an echo chamber but it’s difficult to shake off that there’s some truth to it when you can constantly hear voices taunting you (not in my own accent, so it’s not coming from my head) claiming to be “national security”. Initial reports of Havana syndrome also noted complaints of voice hearing and vocal harassment, and interviews with “whistle blowers” always detail something the target is going through that is not explained by medical theory and scientific info. For me, the jury is still out, even after going through this for 9 years. I really think if it were just illness that I would have responded to one of the 5-6 different antipsychotic medications doctors have tried me with. So for now I have to look for evidence for two different working models, 1 that it’s medical, 2. That this is being done remotely for political reasons by technology.
USA eating its own tail...
Bet these guys are paid off..
Amazing nocebo parallels between this and covid-19
Excellent observation. A new study just found that over 60% of reactions to the vaccine are from the nocebo effect - the opposite of the placebo effect.
@@robertbartholomew9237 Yes, same goes for the impact of naturally acquiring covid-19 .. and the stress induced by governments/media for 2 years non-stop.
@@ricardoafonso7884 Excellent observation!
Deutsche awelle.... I sometimes look at you guys. ....
Americans and their vast irrational fear
Hysteria?! lol!
LMAOOOOOOO
Poor Russia
They are going for a cover up then. Obviously they are embarrassed.
That is exactly what happened otherwise why not release the FBI report which was leaked and concluded it was mass psychogenic illness.
Russia yes , Cuba? They can’t even manage their own country.
Yet they have great free healthcare and free education. You must be thinking of america.
Cuba is way better off than the US-supported regimes in the region
@@andreassag good point. Cuba is really doing well given how the Usa and their puppets are treating the country.
Cuba only has a handful of working MRI's in the entire country and there are horses pulling carts of hay on the main highway. Produce a new weapon? Highly unlikely.
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Anti-vaccines hysteria another example
Spot on.
Of the 'free world'. Are you kidding me right now? I don't think we can claim to be part of the 'free world' right now. We have to reflect and recognize we have problems so we can work towards winning that 'freedom' back.
Yes. Our so called heroes, aren't. They're a bunch a nervous Nellies who needs constant attention and praise or else their minds start to betray them
It's an infrasound data extraction device which steals data from compromised computers.
It's not microwaves.
Still no less damaging, though.
@Terre Schill Back in like 2008 it was a big thing, and never got fully addressed. The vulnerability never got fixed, and the techniques kept getting better.
Sometimes they used a big truck parked near a building, sometimes they used low flying drones to do a sweep over a house.
You had to have had physical contact with a computer to get the fileless malware on to it, before you can do this, though. It limits its practicality, as does the weakness of the internal PC speaker. Limited report back range, unless you have a compromised network to relay it closer to the walls/doors/through heavily insulated walls.
Been a long time since I read about it. Would take a while to find documents and news on it, again. Assuming they haven't wiped it off the internet.
Google doesn't index things like they once did. Information control is getting out of hand.
Americans looking for excuses for not going to work
What else
What a Coverup
The DW reporter's pacing and tendencies to want to interrupt were super distracting. I hope his boss takes notice and provides some coaching.
He was fine.
@@argh6666 He's fine compared to anchors in the US. Compared to his colleagues at DW? Not so much. I recently rewatched a video from August 19, 2021 (about vaccine skeptics regretting their decision), and the DW anchor had better composure and pacing during the interview. He formulated his follow up questions without grunts that could read as interruptions.
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