You guys seem like nice and smart guys, and it's great that you're presenting tennis-related info to help people get better. With that said, could you guys hit some balls or use player footage to show what is going on? Without real life application, it just comes off as pure theory. Thanks, dudes. *thumbs up*
Thank you for the kind words Sean R. We really appreciate it! Your totally right and it’s an issue we have been addressing with all of our recent videos. Thanks for the feedback and thank you for 👍🏼!
Thanks for the video. His power position is nearly the same as Theim's but Theim's swing path is loopy. Another point, if you invert your hand on your off-hand, you would have a tendency to make a circular swing path as it causes a rotation like a top. See figure skaters. I have tried this before, and I do get a faster rotation, but it didn't translate to more pace on ball. So I stopped. Pulling the off-hand toward the body, will induce a more efficient linear swing path and effectively more power.
03:11 invert ur non dominant hand so that the palm is facing away from body. This allows us to keep it up & rotating it during swing, generating more unwind power
By inverting the offhand wrist you are in effect shadowing a lefty single handed backhand, followed by the slingshot normal forhand, feels like 2 shots in one. I can see the power and steadiness in that.
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Noted! We put out a video on the next gen forehand vs the other styles a few short months ago. Be sure to check it out, there we talk about the grips extensively. Thanks for the suggestion and for watching!
I typically switch up the swing pattern/take back of my forehand, usually depending on who I'm playing against, but this take back/technique shown in this video has been more common on my end lately. Glad to see there's merit to it. Enjoyed the video.
Fascinating, thank you for posting 'modern' videos, keeping-up with today's game. To double check, will the 'thumb down' trick, help stop the raquet going behind us?
This is not exactly how NK hits his forehand. He does not cock his wrist back--as shown here--he curls his wrist inward, over the handle. Similar to Khachanov, Zverev and Sock. That's a critical part of this modern forehand. It gets the racket head through the ball with power and minimizes rebound at contact.
He seems to hit with a closed face which makes the ball spin a lot more then the average swing. But in my opinion it’s better to drive threw it then slap over it like he does. Why because I feel like it’s a heavier ball. Plus you can still generate a heavy topspin to push opponents back like this style does, and it deals with low balls better. I don’t agree it’s better though, the only reason his forehand is better. Then ours is because he practices it all the time so he know the mechanics and timing to make contact with the ball so he would prevent shanking balls. I prefer power when I attack someone. Theirs still lots of great players who still drive threw it using an open face. Djokovic, del poltro, and Federer some times he uses both.
You covered swing path but did not discuss where the power comes from. That is the key. The lag and snap, not the swing path, is what makes this type of forehand so explosive. I hope you will do a follow-up video on that. I would tell you exactly how it works but I am still thinking about it.
I have a question about the racket head acceleration for this style of stroke. Is the racket head speed being generated by the wrist or through the use of the hips to "launch" the stroke? Specifically do we use the wrist to prepare the racket head drop or do we just allow gravity to do it's part? Studying Nick's joint position with the wrist on the unit turn of his swing, I am guessing that he does use his wrist slightly to move the racket head from a parallel position to the ground to the "locked and cocked" position. I want to understand the physics of the preparation and stroke so any scientific analysis would be appreciated. Love the work you guys do. Keep up the good work.
Bearly Good thanks for the question and kind words. The racquet head speed is absolutely being generated through the traditional kinetic chain with the legs driving from the ground up and then firing the hips & shoulders. NK’s method simply allows him to load much quicker and reach full extension easier. With that being said Nick does occasionally “slap” at the ball and he is using a bit of wrist in that particular shot. I wouldn’t recommend emulating that shot though. It can be really hazardous to the wrist and arm. We have a part 2 to the NK vid that goes a bit more in depth, so definitely check that out. Thanks for watching!
every pro player in tennis found his own style,based on what's comfortable to them. Then probably , by learning more and more, and with of course the help of his coaches,made more adjustements to be more efficient. But generally speaking the basis of his swing was found by himself ( I assume, because most of the players who talked about this told that). I am no expert so this is only my opinion
Hi Brian, thanks for the question. Like many of the pros, Kyrgios’s forehand is a product of his personal style and extreme athleticism. I imagine the evolution of the game (speed, bigger racquets, poly strings) influenced the shortened swing path but there’s no doubt a coach/coaches were instrumental in his development and mechanics.
This is what you should do if you have the body type of Nick K- swimmer/basketball - 0 effort in touching past toes sitting up. Other wise you gunna be like gumbo out there. You need to concentrate on lines of power and use your body while the racquet is loose and moved from inertia of your unit turn. If you can get your left arm past your right in your open stance unit turn to the point your back is pretty much facing the net- you have this body type and flexibility. It’s hard to control it any other way.
We have a video coming out on the Western forehand very soon, keep your 👀 out for it! (To be honest though, it’s about how limiting the Western grip is compared to a semi-western but we do talk about the positives, such as hitting high balls). Thanks for the feedback!
Several pros including, Sock, Tiafoe, and Edmund use similar swing paths. We are starting to see more high level juniors imitate the elbow back method as well. Evolution of the stroke vs it being instructed is still debated but one thing is for sure, we’ll see a lot more of it in the future.
Does Federer also has a "sling shot" backswing even if he holds his racquet up? My observation after he holds his racquet up he would do a "sling shot" backswing.
Federer’s forehand is much more traditional than NK’s. It’s really the exaggerated elbow height and the inverted racquet that separates Kyrgios’s forehand. I believe Federer’s forehand is the ideal model however. His elbows are stacked on his dominate side, allowing his hitting arm to enter extension & then the slot to execute ideal contact. Both strokes are extremely quick to the ball and style is really what separates them. Fed’s is the more repeatable stroke though. Thanks for the feedback Ramon L.
A short but highly effective lesson. Much thanks. Oh, the thumbs down people (and smart-ass commenters) have nothing to do with your excellent presentation. It's just their clumsy way of trying to express that they themselves don't yet get the hang of it... Hahaha.
David Anderson All he did was summarize what people were teaching 6 years ago. It takes months of training to even understand how this should feel. Take 10 hrs of lessons with OP and you won’t get very far. Wonder what level player he is. 4.5? Loool
You feel better D Moss? Take a minute, get it all out....The amount of time and energy it must have taken you to watch several videos and leave your negativity behind is impressive. Com’n man, be better than that. FYI “good” players don’t take the time to tell everyone how good they are or how “bad” someone else is. Good luck D Moss XOXO
Ellis Lawson Nick does in fact use a extreme semi-western which can make some shots more difficult, namely low balls. High balls however are somewhat easier with the western grip. Check out the link below where we dive deeper into the stroke and I incorporate more of a western grip through the demo. Thanks for watching!
Hi, Firstly, Nick may be a questionnable example as a player w/o significant career results, just like Sock.. Sling stroke may work some on fast season but still lacking long-term consistancy and injury-free impact gained from large body muscle movements. Like, and happily use, the inverted left hand though. Also, apply partually this principle when fast strokes are needed, but not going to the extreme. Cheers, Vlada
All good points Vlada. Unfortunately I think Nick's results have more to do with his motivation than his forehand. Will be interesting to see what 2022 has in store for NK. Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
In my opinion andre agassi had the best forehand and backhand of all time , and who the fcuk would want a forehand like Nik Kyrgios ? Lets see a video on the Andre Agassi forehand and backhand.
Louis Cyphre haha...you’re definitely passionate about this subject. I was a huge fan of Andre and agree he had some of the best ground strokes in the history of the game. NK’s forehand has garnered a lot of attention due to it being unorthodox and therefore we’ve had a huge demand to cover it. Supply and demand...with that being said, keep your 👀 out for a Andre vid. Maybe on his return (best in the biz?)
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I don't understand what is your main theory that nick's shorten stroke has to replace the current traditional. Yes, there is the case the shorten stoke will take some advantage when speed is only matter but that will be just part of case of all the case when we do forehand .Actually shorten stoke comes with some serious of caveat. For example shorten stoke is not able to produce enough spin to get the ball over the net and make huge dive in curve to land a ball safely. second most of time this stoke will consume a lot of muscle power from specific part of your body like upper body and dominate hand compare to traditional stroke . This can be serious disadvantage in high level of game .
Thanks for the feedback Adventure Victoria. We don’t believe the abbreviated take back will replace the modern forehand entirely, it’s just currently what we’re seeing from the next gen guys on tour and quite a few collegiate players. It’s really just evolution as the game continues to get faster w/ bigger, stronger athletes and advances in technology. NK’s athleticism allows this technique to work but it’s certainly not for everyone. I won’t be changing my traditional forehand anytime soon. Fun to watch the game progress none the less. :)
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Nick is highly talented and your analysis perfect. But to showcase, a forehand such as Bautista Agut's would achieve predictable results for most students. Just watched highlights of Agut and Djokovic at Miami and Agut's forehand seems easier to teach.
Thanks for the kind words! We agree Bautista Agut has a pretty spectacular forehand. His forehand is actually fairly unique on tour however. He’s one of the few players on tour that uses a eastern grip, and predominantly hits a flat ball. For those with a eastern grip he would be a great candidate to model. Our choice of analyzing NK was actually by popular demand. We had a ton of requests to talk more about his forehand technique. Maybe we’ll analyze Agut’s forehand in the future!
I'm sorry but I'd rather have Lendl's sound FH fundamentals and long swing than this short, abbreviated swing that can be really hit and miss without proper timing.
Lendl’s forehand was a beast! Ironically he was probably the first on tour to pull the racquet back with the elbow as opposed to the traditional unit time. So his forehand was very similar to NK’s. Thanks for sharing Theodor Dinu
Yeah, like the guy implies, 99.5% players shouldn't try to implement this style of hitting. Unless you're that guy who just likes to go crazy hitting around, spraying balls everywhere. In a way, Nick's forehand, if you were meant to hit it, you would already be hitting it. Even among the pros, Nick and Jack Sock's forehands are rather extreme. Almost everybody is better off hitting a more conservative double bend standard forehand with a semi western or even eastern grip.
Strokes like this taken advantage of by guys like Sock and Kyrgios rarely work at lower levels. You'll also notice these players mishit a lot more because it is so unorthodox. Wouldn't recommend it.
tommy triumph agreed sir, intermediate players should not be looking into implementing the next gen forehand. We have content comparing the next gen, modern and classic forehand coming out soon. We hope it will serve as a good reference point for players exploring changing their technique on the forehand.
Tennis like all sports follows the fundamental laws of physics ie longer levers have greater potential energy! Kyrgios forehand/serve/backhand power comes as a result of his being 6'5 with very long arms/levers and superb timing... It is NOT his technique! That, is actually biomechanically flawed. Just like Del Potro, these technical flaws clearly and frequently present themselves in elbow, forearm and wrist injuries! DO NOT try to emulate this technique... You'll only injure your body! For anyone questioning my knowledge... it's a result of 40 years of playing tennis, 5 years in the 🌍 Top 30 and now some 15 years studying and coaching this wonderful sport!
Totally agree that he has a physical advantage with his height and length and by no means were we suggesting his talent is due to his technique on the forehand. His technique however is innovative and the shorter coil to enter the slot is a product of the evolution of the game. The game has sped up a considerable amount, and we see more high level players using the elbow back method. You may be correct that injuries are derived from this technique but at this time we certainly need a larger amount of data to support that theory. The sling shot technique is being instructed throughout the world at high performance academies and shouldn’t be discounted, but I do agree recreational players should not emulate it. If the two biggest forehands in the world are incorrect, I hate to see what they would be if hit “correctly” 😉
@@Playyourcourt Valid points across the board, it'd be very interesting to see a super slow-motion of Kyrgios with an overlay of Del Potro and analyse the exact distances/angles/degree of rotation they each utilise during the backward lift of the elbow leading into the uncoiling of the arm 👍
“40 years playing tennis” blablabla you are 14 max. On your channel you have a video of your first fortnite win and that was posted 10 months ago. Just stop
@@GrexxCSGO Thank you for your response. Sadly, I am considerably older than 14 but I still love video games. They, like sports, are available to all age groups, I currently play Destiny 2 and I'm loving the Forsaken DLC. I just don't have enough time to play more as we're now able to watch high level tennis tournaments throughout the year on Amazon Prime. Good luck with your forehand BTW.
Get NK on your video and have him demonstrate his forehand in the video! You can question his technique and have him hit like a dozen forehands to show his technique! Then play a 2 out 3 set with NK and see how good he is compared to yourself. That would be interesting to the viewers.
Sorry but this is completely wrong! When you hold the racquet like this you will never be able to bring the ball over the net. Your racquet angle at the hitting point is way to much to the ground. No way that this ball go over the net. Look the pictures of any player. At the point where the ball touch the strings, the racquet angle is about 90°. Your racquet angle is 45°
Appreciate the feedback Darko Dragic but I think your investigating the wrong aspects of the stroke. The joint position is really what this lesson is about. The racquet simply being below the wrist as it travels towards contact is what is imparting lift. NK does however frequently “hood” the ball, where his racquet face is much more closed than a traditional forehand. A new video is coming out soon with actual hitting so hopefully it does a better job demonstrating the contact point.
@@Playyourcourt I know that was not the sense of your video but I see many coaches showing forehand topsin movement like you did. The ball is living the stringbed in a 90° angle! For this reason the racquethead must be at the point of contact in an angle where it is possible to lift the ball over the net. Jorge Capestany from tennisdrill.tv is one of few coaches who is explaining this correctly. There are kids looking your videos and thinking this is the right way! The rest of your video is ok :-)
This is also why Kyrgios could not won any major titles and not has been that successful on the tours. He uses too much his wrist on that form and gets tired easily with less consistency. Whole body has to flow to hit a ball , not just with a wrist and arm.
Copying Nick's forehand is honestly something pros cant even do themselves. The amount of wrist flex he uses would injure the average recreational player. More players use the same "slingshot" forehand as opposed to the traditional like Shapovolov and Tiafoe without the same ridiculous wrist extension
Sling shot simply referring to the method of pulling back with the elbow as opposed to the traditional unit turn. Agreed, their forehands are unique and they def rip em.
Jack Sock's is very similar. I swear I've seen one other person with this type of forehand but can't remember. First guy I ever saw hitting a forehand this way, though not as extreme, is Ivan Lendl.
@@Playyourcourt I have watched footage of your playing- I was generous with 3.0 assesment, college guys. I was not going to be rude - but implying that we can't hit a Kyrgios forehand (obviously) but YOU can is just too much. Be more humble. If you can't, I suggest you to watch tenfitmen and TopTennisTraining videos, they will teach you some humbleness.
Spiros Kabasakalis you’re misunderstanding the title and simply jumping to conclusions. We have a lot of respect for the channels you mentioned but assessing / comparing our humility to theirs from one video title is ridiculous. Tennis suffers from people putting titles or assessments on others. That’s exactly what you’re doing here. My advice is upload some footage of yourself playing / coaching etc and help the game evolve by being positive and encouraging. I hope others would show your video the respect that all free videos trying to help others deserves.
@@Playyourcourt I am not a coach, I don't sell tennis instructions so I don't have to prove anything with uploading videos of my playing. You call yourselves tennis instructors and so you should be prepared to be compared with others, no matter how painful this comparison is. You are offering a service, and clients will compare your service with others before they make their decision.
It would be verry helpful to show the technique of both strokes with a ball 🎾 🧐
I would imagine that any atp or wta player’s forehand is better than most
You got it Will, that’s a pretty safe assumption. Thanks for the feedback.
You guys seem like nice and smart guys, and it's great that you're presenting tennis-related info to help people get better. With that said, could you guys hit some balls or use player footage to show what is going on? Without real life application, it just comes off as pure theory. Thanks, dudes. *thumbs up*
Thank you for the kind words Sean R. We really appreciate it! Your totally right and it’s an issue we have been addressing with all of our recent videos. Thanks for the feedback and thank you for 👍🏼!
That would not be a smart thing to do, it would look funny and nothing remotely close to 3.0 playing, let alone Nick Kyrgios level, LOL!!!!
Spiros Kabasakalis Just gonna spend the morning trolling huh? Poor guy.
Good points. Raising the arms for power is the same concept as the "ballistic punch". The elbow level in line with the first delivers optimal power
Thanks for the video. His power position is nearly the same as Theim's but Theim's swing path is loopy. Another point, if you invert your hand on your off-hand, you would have a tendency to make a circular swing path as it causes a rotation like a top. See figure skaters. I have tried this before, and I do get a faster rotation, but it didn't translate to more pace on ball. So I stopped. Pulling the off-hand toward the body, will induce a more efficient linear swing path and effectively more power.
You didn't mention what grip he uses. Kind of an inportant factor. I reckon he uses western, watching you it seems like semi western.
it’s between both actually like a hybrid
03:11 invert ur non dominant hand so that the palm is facing away from body. This allows us to keep it up & rotating it during swing, generating more unwind power
What grip does he use?
very informative video. thanks for sharing
Glad it was helpful, thanks for watching!
By inverting the offhand wrist you are in effect shadowing a lefty single handed backhand, followed by the slingshot normal forhand, feels like 2 shots in one. I can see the power and steadiness in that.
Great explanation the key points are well presented, the technique may not suit everyone but I love how Nick executed it
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Thank you! 🍻
How about that full western grip. Super hard to hit bent elbow fh with eastern.
agreed.
Talk about the grip please. Great video. Thanks.
Noted! We put out a video on the next gen forehand vs the other styles a few short months ago. Be sure to check it out, there we talk about the grips extensively. Thanks for the suggestion and for watching!
I typically switch up the swing pattern/take back of my forehand, usually depending on who I'm playing against, but this take back/technique shown in this video has been more common on my end lately. Glad to see there's merit to it. Enjoyed the video.
Fascinating, thank you for posting 'modern' videos, keeping-up with today's game. To double check, will the 'thumb down' trick, help stop the raquet going behind us?
A little bit depending on the length of your swing but it’s certainly not a total fix
This is not exactly how NK hits his forehand. He does not cock his wrist back--as shown here--he curls his wrist inward, over the handle. Similar to Khachanov, Zverev and Sock. That's a critical part of this modern forehand. It gets the racket head through the ball with power and minimizes rebound at contact.
I don't know that this is the best method for the a erase guy..nice clip
He seems to hit with a closed face which makes the ball spin a lot more then the average swing. But in my opinion it’s better to drive threw it then slap over it like he does. Why because I feel like it’s a heavier ball. Plus you can still generate a heavy topspin to push opponents back like this style does, and it deals with low balls better. I don’t agree it’s better though, the only reason his forehand is better.
Then ours is because he practices it all the time so he know the mechanics and timing to make contact with the ball so he would prevent shanking balls. I prefer power when I attack someone. Theirs still lots of great players who still drive threw it using an open face. Djokovic, del poltro, and Federer some times he uses both.
Thanks for watching Trucker Joseph!
You covered swing path but did not discuss where the power comes from. That is the key. The lag and snap, not the swing path, is what makes this type of forehand so explosive. I hope you will do a follow-up video on that. I would tell you exactly how it works but I am still thinking about it.
We did a follow up to this video that you can find in the following link. Hope you enjoy it! ruclips.net/video/UVpD6TGz2Ew/видео.html
I have a question about the racket head acceleration for this style of stroke. Is the racket head speed being generated by the wrist or through the use of the hips to "launch" the stroke? Specifically do we use the wrist to prepare the racket head drop or do we just allow gravity to do it's part? Studying Nick's joint position with the wrist on the unit turn of his swing, I am guessing that he does use his wrist slightly to move the racket head from a parallel position to the ground to the "locked and cocked" position. I want to understand the physics of the preparation and stroke so any scientific analysis would be appreciated.
Love the work you guys do. Keep up the good work.
Bearly Good thanks for the question and kind words. The racquet head speed is absolutely being generated through the traditional kinetic chain with the legs driving from the ground up and then firing the hips & shoulders. NK’s method simply allows him to load much quicker and reach full extension easier. With that being said Nick does occasionally “slap” at the ball and he is using a bit of wrist in that particular shot. I wouldn’t recommend emulating that shot though. It can be really hazardous to the wrist and arm. We have a part 2 to the NK vid that goes a bit more in depth, so definitely check that out. Thanks for watching!
I've always wondered did a tennis coach teach Kyrgios how to hit his forehand like this or did he learn how to do this on his own? tks.
every pro player in tennis found his own style,based on what's comfortable to them. Then probably , by learning more and more, and with of course the help of his coaches,made more adjustements to be more efficient. But generally speaking the basis of his swing was found by himself ( I assume, because most of the players who talked about this told that). I am no expert so this is only my opinion
Hi Brian, thanks for the question. Like many of the pros, Kyrgios’s forehand is a product of his personal style and extreme athleticism. I imagine the evolution of the game (speed, bigger racquets, poly strings) influenced the shortened swing path but there’s no doubt a coach/coaches were instrumental in his development and mechanics.
Would like a NK backhand analysis. Tks
Hold my 🍺. Coming soon Frank!
This is what you should do if you have the body type of Nick K- swimmer/basketball - 0 effort in touching past toes sitting up. Other wise you gunna be like gumbo out there. You need to concentrate on lines of power and use your body while the racquet is loose and moved from inertia of your unit turn. If you can get your left arm past your right in your open stance unit turn to the point your back is pretty much facing the net- you have this body type and flexibility. It’s hard to control it any other way.
Any tips for Western grip forehand?
We have a video coming out on the Western forehand very soon, keep your 👀 out for it! (To be honest though, it’s about how limiting the Western grip is compared to a semi-western but we do talk about the positives, such as hitting high balls). Thanks for the feedback!
Thanks for great insight. Is just it Kyrgios doing it alone or are the others doing it to a lesser extreme.
Several pros including, Sock, Tiafoe, and Edmund use similar swing paths. We are starting to see more high level juniors imitate the elbow back method as well. Evolution of the stroke vs it being instructed is still debated but one thing is for sure, we’ll see a lot more of it in the future.
Only Nick can hit the ball like Nick.
#facts
Does Federer also has a "sling shot" backswing even if he holds his racquet up? My observation after he holds his racquet up he would do a "sling shot" backswing.
Federer’s forehand is much more traditional than NK’s. It’s really the exaggerated elbow height and the inverted racquet that separates Kyrgios’s forehand. I believe Federer’s forehand is the ideal model however. His elbows are stacked on his dominate side, allowing his hitting arm to enter extension & then the slot to execute ideal contact. Both strokes are extremely quick to the ball and style is really what separates them. Fed’s is the more repeatable stroke though. Thanks for the feedback Ramon L.
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A short but highly effective lesson. Much thanks. Oh, the thumbs down people (and smart-ass commenters) have nothing to do with your excellent presentation. It's just their clumsy way of trying to express that they themselves don't yet get the hang of it... Hahaha.
Thanks for the support David!
David Anderson All he did was summarize what people were teaching 6 years ago. It takes months of training to even understand how this should feel. Take 10 hrs of lessons with OP and you won’t get very far. Wonder what level player he is. 4.5? Loool
You feel better D Moss? Take a minute, get it all out....The amount of time and energy it must have taken you to watch several videos and leave your negativity behind is impressive. Com’n man, be better than that. FYI “good” players don’t take the time to tell everyone how good they are or how “bad” someone else is. Good luck D Moss XOXO
PlayYourCourt.com it took about 2 minutes lol. Sorry you can’t work that fast.
You seem to be using a semi western grip but nick uses a full western which makes it much harder
Ellis Lawson Nick does in fact use a extreme semi-western which can make some shots more difficult, namely low balls. High balls however are somewhat easier with the western grip. Check out the link below where we dive deeper into the stroke and I incorporate more of a western grip through the demo. Thanks for watching!
Hi,
Firstly, Nick may be a questionnable example as a player w/o significant career results, just like Sock..
Sling stroke may work some on fast season but still lacking long-term consistancy and injury-free impact gained from large body muscle movements.
Like, and happily use, the inverted left hand though. Also, apply partually this principle when fast strokes are needed, but not going to the extreme.
Cheers, Vlada
All good points Vlada. Unfortunately I think Nick's results have more to do with his motivation than his forehand. Will be interesting to see what 2022 has in store for NK. Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
In my opinion andre agassi had the best forehand and backhand of all time , and who the fcuk would want a forehand like Nik Kyrgios ? Lets see a video on the Andre Agassi forehand and backhand.
Louis Cyphre haha...you’re definitely passionate about this subject. I was a huge fan of Andre and agree he had some of the best ground strokes in the history of the game. NK’s forehand has garnered a lot of attention due to it being unorthodox and therefore we’ve had a huge demand to cover it. Supply and demand...with that being said, keep your 👀 out for a Andre vid. Maybe on his return (best in the biz?)
Could you do a real demonstration here?? Will be very helpful :)
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I don't understand what is your main theory that nick's shorten stroke has to replace the current traditional. Yes, there is the case the shorten stoke will take some advantage when speed is only matter but that will be just part of case of all the case when we do forehand .Actually shorten stoke comes with some serious of caveat. For example shorten stoke is not able to produce enough spin to get the ball over the net and make huge dive in curve to land a ball safely.
second most of time this stoke will consume a lot of muscle power from specific part of your body like upper body and dominate hand compare to traditional stroke . This can be serious disadvantage in high level of game .
Thanks for the feedback Adventure Victoria. We don’t believe the abbreviated take back will replace the modern forehand entirely, it’s just currently what we’re seeing from the next gen guys on tour and quite a few collegiate players. It’s really just evolution as the game continues to get faster w/ bigger, stronger athletes and advances in technology. NK’s athleticism allows this technique to work but it’s certainly not for everyone. I won’t be changing my traditional forehand anytime soon. Fun to watch the game progress none the less. :)
@@Playyourcourt That's way more acceptable and understandable than "Nick's forehand is better than YOUR's!!!!" :D
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Tougher to imitate than Del Porto’s elegant but brutal forehand, no?
Most definitely!
You did not address the wrist position, which seems to be a critical element of this stroke.
I expected this video to teach me how to throw tantrums and not care about tennis while i hit forehands
Kai Lehtinen suppose that’s fair. 😉
Nick is highly talented and your analysis perfect. But to showcase, a forehand such as Bautista Agut's would achieve predictable results for most students. Just watched highlights of Agut and Djokovic at Miami and Agut's forehand seems easier to teach.
Thanks for the kind words! We agree Bautista Agut has a pretty spectacular forehand. His forehand is actually fairly unique on tour however. He’s one of the few players on tour that uses a eastern grip, and predominantly hits a flat ball. For those with a eastern grip he would be a great candidate to model. Our choice of analyzing NK was actually by popular demand. We had a ton of requests to talk more about his forehand technique. Maybe we’ll analyze Agut’s forehand in the future!
I'm sorry but I'd rather have Lendl's sound FH fundamentals and long swing than this short, abbreviated swing that can be really hit and miss without proper timing.
Lendl’s forehand was a beast! Ironically he was probably the first on tour to pull the racquet back with the elbow as opposed to the traditional unit time. So his forehand was very similar to NK’s. Thanks for sharing Theodor Dinu
@@Playyourcourt Dear coach, could you make a video of Lendl's forehand analysis
Rajakeerthy that’s an interesting idea, we’ll def look into it!
Big assumption here!
Yeah, like the guy implies, 99.5% players shouldn't try to implement this style of hitting. Unless you're that guy who just likes to go crazy hitting around, spraying balls everywhere. In a way, Nick's forehand, if you were meant to hit it, you would already be hitting it. Even among the pros, Nick and Jack Sock's forehands are rather extreme. Almost everybody is better off hitting a more conservative double bend standard forehand with a semi western or even eastern grip.
NK Forehand is better than mine? tell me something I dont know sherlock
Lol, granted the title is a bit antagonistic, but I think we can all agree NK’s forehand is better than ours. P.S. Watson says 👋🏻
Strokes like this taken advantage of by guys like Sock and Kyrgios rarely work at lower levels. You'll also notice these players mishit a lot more because it is so unorthodox. Wouldn't recommend it.
tommy triumph agreed sir, intermediate players should not be looking into implementing the next gen forehand. We have content comparing the next gen, modern and classic forehand coming out soon. We hope it will serve as a good reference point for players exploring changing their technique on the forehand.
Tennis like all sports follows the fundamental laws of physics ie longer levers have greater potential energy! Kyrgios forehand/serve/backhand power comes as a result of his being 6'5 with very long arms/levers and superb timing... It is NOT his technique! That, is actually biomechanically flawed. Just like Del Potro, these technical flaws clearly and frequently present themselves in elbow, forearm and wrist injuries! DO NOT try to emulate this technique... You'll only injure your body!
For anyone questioning my knowledge... it's a result of 40 years of playing tennis, 5 years in the 🌍 Top 30 and now some 15 years studying and coaching this wonderful sport!
Totally agree that he has a physical advantage with his height and length and by no means were we suggesting his talent is due to his technique on the forehand. His technique however is innovative and the shorter coil to enter the slot is a product of the evolution of the game. The game has sped up a considerable amount, and we see more high level players using the elbow back method. You may be correct that injuries are derived from this technique but at this time we certainly need a larger amount of data to support that theory. The sling shot technique is being instructed throughout the world at high performance academies and shouldn’t be discounted, but I do agree recreational players should not emulate it. If the two biggest forehands in the world are incorrect, I hate to see what they would be if hit “correctly” 😉
@@Playyourcourt Valid points across the board, it'd be very interesting to see a super slow-motion of Kyrgios with an overlay of Del Potro and analyse the exact distances/angles/degree of rotation they each utilise during the backward lift of the elbow leading into the uncoiling of the arm 👍
“40 years playing tennis” blablabla you are 14 max. On your channel you have a video of your first fortnite win and that was posted 10 months ago. Just stop
@@GrexxCSGO Thank you for your response. Sadly, I am considerably older than 14 but I still love video games. They, like sports, are available to all age groups, I currently play Destiny 2 and I'm loving the Forsaken DLC. I just don't have enough time to play more as we're now able to watch high level tennis tournaments throughout the year on Amazon Prime. Good luck with your forehand BTW.
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Get NK on your video and have him demonstrate his forehand in the video! You can question his technique and have him hit like a dozen forehands to show his technique! Then play a 2 out 3 set with NK and see how good he is compared to yourself. That would be interesting to the viewers.
HW2800 love the suggestion but I’m guessing Ole Nick has much better things to do. 🍺 🎾 💥💣🤬
Great video except when Scott popped his head in at the end 👎
and why its not top 10
Or if you have really long limbs and play basketball
Why is nicks better than yours ?
Umm because he’s s pro!
👍🏼 This is true!
Sorry but this is completely wrong! When you hold the racquet like this you will never be able to bring the ball over the net. Your racquet angle at the hitting point is way to much to the ground. No way that this ball go over the net. Look the pictures of any player. At the point where the ball touch the strings, the racquet angle is about 90°. Your racquet angle is 45°
Appreciate the feedback Darko Dragic but I think your investigating the wrong aspects of the stroke. The joint position is really what this lesson is about. The racquet simply being below the wrist as it travels towards contact is what is imparting lift. NK does however frequently “hood” the ball, where his racquet face is much more closed than a traditional forehand. A new video is coming out soon with actual hitting so hopefully it does a better job demonstrating the contact point.
@@Playyourcourt I know that was not the sense of your video but I see many coaches showing forehand topsin movement like you did. The ball is living the stringbed in a 90° angle! For this reason the racquethead must be at the point of contact in an angle where it is possible to lift the ball over the net. Jorge Capestany from tennisdrill.tv is one of few coaches who is explaining this correctly. There are kids looking your videos and thinking this is the right way! The rest of your video is ok :-)
This is also why Kyrgios could not won any major titles and not has been that successful on the tours. He uses too much his wrist on that form and gets tired easily with less consistency. Whole body has to flow to hit a ball , not just with a wrist and arm.
+Sae Jhun thanks for watching! 🤘🏼
Copying Nick's forehand is honestly something pros cant even do themselves. The amount of wrist flex he uses would injure the average recreational player. More players use the same "slingshot" forehand as opposed to the traditional like Shapovolov and Tiafoe without the same ridiculous wrist extension
How are you supposed to get injured from keeping a lose wrist and allowing it to naturally flex back.
Slingshot makes no sense. Nicks forehand is like nadals, only he can do it. Nick rips it for sure.
Sling shot simply referring to the method of pulling back with the elbow as opposed to the traditional unit turn. Agreed, their forehands are unique and they def rip em.
Jack Sock's is very similar. I swear I've seen one other person with this type of forehand but can't remember. First guy I ever saw hitting a forehand this way, though not as extreme, is Ivan Lendl.
BORING...
No one has Kyrgios ability. Sadly he is lazy. He should be #1 easily if he cared at all.
Nick Kyrgios forehand is better than yours too smart 3.0 guy.
Spiros Kabasakalis I think that goes without saying. Taking some liberties with that 3.0 assessment. 🤔 lol.
@@Playyourcourt I have watched footage of your playing- I was generous with 3.0 assesment, college guys. I was not going to be rude - but implying that we can't hit a Kyrgios forehand (obviously) but YOU can is just too much. Be more humble. If you can't, I suggest you to watch tenfitmen and TopTennisTraining videos, they will teach you some humbleness.
Spiros Kabasakalis you’re misunderstanding the title and simply jumping to conclusions. We have a lot of respect for the channels you mentioned but assessing / comparing our humility to theirs from one video title is ridiculous. Tennis suffers from people putting titles or assessments on others. That’s exactly what you’re doing here. My advice is upload some footage of yourself playing / coaching etc and help the game evolve by being positive and encouraging. I hope others would show your video the respect that all free videos trying to help others deserves.
@@Playyourcourt I am not a coach, I don't sell tennis instructions so I don't have to prove anything with uploading videos of my playing. You call yourselves tennis instructors and so you should be prepared to be compared with others, no matter how painful this comparison is. You are offering a service, and clients will compare your service with others before they make their decision.