Point guards in Isaiah's and Stockton's time were discouraged from scoring too much. The scoring numbers of PGs in that era were definitely deflated compared to PGs since then.
Nick, I love this series. As a casual NBA I have learned a lot from watching you breakdown these players. I appreciate the respect you have for Dirk, he’s my all time favorite player and it feels like he often gets overlooked. Have you considered doing a similar list but with the greatest teams ever? I think that would be a really cool spinoff of this series.
Ya i would have been fine with luka at 50 he’s the first player in a long time this early on in their career that you can realistically project to be a top 10 player
@@ccarrillo262 eh idk about Gianni’s. Watching his game there might not even be 10 dudes better than him all time. Dude will have 25pt 15reb and that’s a “off game”😂
He says Gianni’s didn’t get locked down and reads his stats. Yes he did avg like 30 something against the Celtics but his FG percentage was low. He wasn’t efficient.
Hearing Durant's Thunder numbers, I'm upset all over again that he went to Golden State. All-time-great-top-five potential, incandescent scorer, playoff killer and cops out. I can hear Tyra Banks-- "we were rooting for you!"
And what would we be saying about him right now if he hadn’t won any championships by this point in his career? It’s obvious in retrospect that Westbrook was not going to win a championship as the main ball handler, so KD wasn’t ever going to get over the hump there.
Been loving sundays because of these! It was blasphemous where you had luka, but I think Luka and Giannis are the next two to possible be top 10 if they keep it up. Good work 💯
I do too but can u honestly say if Luka retired today he would be top 20 in the last 50 years I think he has the potential to be top 10 ever if not higher but not yet u can’t say that. Shaq was a different breed lol
Moses can’t be better than KD? Moses won the fmvp against 2 of the best teams of all time and made the finals with the rockets with one of the worst rosters ever, that was a LBJ carry job Moses was impeccable
I guess 12th and 11th on Nick's list would be Moses and Dr. J SPOILER: NICK ALREADY Spoil in first thing first that Steph is 10th and Shaq is 9th in his list.
I'm guessing the rest of your list is going to be: 1. LeBron 2. Jordan 3. "Kareem" 4."Magic" 5. Duncan 6. Kobe 7. Bird 8. Shaq 9. Olajuwon 10. "Dr. J" 11. Moses Malone 12. Steph Curry 13. Durant 14. Isiah Thomas 15. Giannis
If Hakeem isn't over shaq that's crazy Hakeem better player longer career shaq more dominate for shorter time and better teams played with 2 top 3 SGs..
Nothing big to argue here. Agree that Giannis will finish closer to 4 than 14. Unfortunately, the rest of the way not expecting any huge surprises. Too many guys that you could make a reasonable argument for. Guess there’s some intrigue about who will be number 5 with magic, LBJ, Kareem, and Jordan
Should be at this moment: KD> Steph > Giannis. We watched them together during Steph's prime, KD was better. Steph was more of a floor general for Warriors, but KD is professional scorer who dominates on any team
Idiotic take because we've seen them head to head and KD blew a 3-1 lead to Steph. KD also only played better in the finals because the opponents literally doubled and tripled Curry the whole series, leaving Durant either open or in 1-on-1 situations. KD got swept by this same Celtics team, and outplayed by Tatum..... Steph has been the clear best player on the floor in the Finals, and won. Second best player was Andrew Wiggins, not Kyrie Irving. Please, continue on stupidly saying KD > Steph, though.
I love Giannis, but putting him one place behind KD with only half of a career seems a little much tbh. Let him get at least another ring. 13 seems a little high at this point (even though I think that he will be Top10 when his career is over)
Bro he is 4 time first team all NBA, 4 time all first team defense, a DPOY, a 2 time Mvp, a finals MVP and a champion. The only thing KD has is one more chip. Giannis also didn't run from adversity either.
Giannis already has more MVPs than KD and has crushed the regular season stats and single handedly delivered Milwaukee a title. He’s 13 bc he’s only played half a career. He won’t finish top 10, he’ll finish top 5.
Zeke had Joe Dumars who won a finals MVP and was basically the old school CJ McCollum except he played better Defense. People at some point have to start giving Joe some respect
Curry is a much better leader than Durant, and he attracts better defense. Without Curry, Durant would've never won a ring, and would finish his carreer as the best player to never win a ring. Curry is a Batman, Durant is a Robin.
KD doesnt deserve that ranking. Always surrounded by megastars, so automatically his 2 titles and 2 finals MVP is irrelevant. He chokes in the first time he plays an equal caliber team.
@@Therantguyyeazy LeBron sure had a super team in Miami, but he also won 2 without one. KD is talented and he has maybe the best bag in history but I don't think he's really accomplished more than Dirk, Zeke and Giannis even if more offensively talented.
It still sucks we are not going to have players from the 60’s, it doesn’t feel like a complete best players ever list without these guys Wilt Chamberlain Bill Russell Oscar Robertson Jerry West Elgin Baylor John Havlicek George Mikan
I mean Nick, for all that you said about Isaiah, having Giannis be over that right now, does his one major playoff run being 2021 trump that? Along with his regular season accomplishments it’s still very arguable Isaiah has had a better career by quite a bit so far. Noting Giannis’ individual efforts in losing efforts in round 1 and the conference semis really doesn’t do it for me. Giannis still has a bit more to round out his resume in the playoffs at least. The regular season accolades will most certainly continue to come for Giannis at least for the next 6-8 years if not longer which will help his longevity argument definitely
Isaiah never finished top 4 in MVP voting in his career, his peak doesn't compare to a guy who had a 5 year stretch alone where he was MVP twice, and won DPOY and finals MVP and was top 4 in MVP voting in the years he didn't win
I think Luka's 43 15 13 against the Clippers with the buzzer beater was a better game than Durant's since he actually won and had 2 elite wing defenders guarding him.
nah. KDs Game 5 was better. ...and although KD didn't have Kawhi or PG13 guarding him....he did it against Giannis and PJ Tucker. not too shabby of defenders in their own right
@@MarkHanna23 well so FAR yes, but Giannis is like 7 years younger, has more MVPs, a DPOY, and will likely catch Durant in Allstars and rings before he even hits 31 lol. It's only a matter of Tim's before he surpasses him
@@Sutidamuskun true is definitely possible he will pass KD, but KD had a roy, and is still in mvp conversation yearly he could grab another or win another ring. I think KD will have more all star and all nba appearances before he retires for sure. 50/40/90 club gets blown off a lot but that’s impressive too and I can’t see Giannis winning that.
Kawhi & the clips win the chip next year & Luka will become top 15 all time regardless due to his play vs them in the playoffs in years prior! #Nick’sLogic
As far as I'm concerned, Giannis should be even higher. Being the best player and best defender on the planet simultaneously for 4 years in a row means a lot imo. I think he should've won MVP and DPOY all of the last 4 years. If he hadn't been drafted by a garbage franchise like Milwaukee his resume would be even better.
1 finals appearance & 1 Chip stop it. YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN. With that logic you guys will be ready to put in the goat convo with 2 finals appearances & 2 chips.
4 years definitely not. At most two and I would really say only this year. Steph and KD were the best players in the last 3 . I still think KD is better but he had a horrible series so I will give it to Giannis this year. This is the first year Giannis looked like the best player. Not the best regular season player but the actual best player.
@@_Shaquille_ KD is above him with 2 and 2, and we all know what he had to do to get those 2. Rings/appearances should never the biggest factor in determining how good a player is or was individually, those are team accomplishments. When it comes to individual player rankings, how well you play matters far more than how many wins your team got. Otherwise, guys like Robert Horry, Satch Sanders>Malone, Barkley, etc.
@@Christopher._M Steph and KD weren't even 2nd. 😂😂😂 I think you're putting wayy too much value on having a jumpshot. Do you even pay attention to defense, rebounding, passing? Or do you just decide who's game looks nice?
Bird only played 6 regular season games and no playoff games in the 1988-89 season when the Pistons swept the 8th seeded Celtics. This was due to season ending ankle surgery. So although Isaiah was peaking while Larry and the Celts declined you gave Isaiah a playoff series win over a shell of a great team that did not have Bird for the playoffs. Bird would come back and help lead the Celtics to some 50 win regular season teams, but by then that really was their upside.
He did the same with the Pistons vs the Lakers in 89 where Magic was injured and barely played. It’s pretty obvious he’s just glancing at BBref statlines and not actually doing real research
Giannis has been in the league for almost 10 years. There is a 5 year gap between him and luka and in those 5 years Giannis won 2 mvps, a dpoy, a championship, and was all defense each year. If luka had those plus his stats nick would have probably had him higher
why was Luka so high based on projection (which i agree with) but Giannis didn't get that same treatment. He is still pre-prime, he is still yet to have his biggest moments, he's super young....Why would you not project him appropriately as you did Luka?
Only knock on your list is Luka you said its about ehat you have done when ranking and then you have Luka 20.. its hurts credibility.. also Kahwi shoukd be higher
No way u put Durant over Giannis. His 2nd best player was a g league guy that made something of himself. Durant had kyrie and harden. Steph and Klay. Westbrook and harden. That’s his career.
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 well, Steph just made the finals with a less than ideal team, playing the same defense KD played, the difference? KD averaged 26 ppg on 38% fg and that was padded by a 39pt game 4,... without which he was averaging on 22 ppg on 36.5% through games 1-3... Against the same defense, Steph is averaging 34ppg on basically 50, 50, 86... Trust me, Steph's impact is greater than KD and thst's evident anytime they step on court....
@@ayyocool why? You just said Giannis should be higher than KD but not Steph? Doesn’t make sense because Curry has also played with HOFrs his entire career…..so the same argument you’re trying to tear KD down with doesn’t apply to Steph hmmmmmm i interesting
You ruined your well thought out list when you had Luka at 20. Love him, but thats way too high. And yet you don't have Jokic in your top 50. A guy with 2 MVPs.
He did say that playoff success matters alot in this list, so I get having jokic left off since he's had basically 0. Luka should've been at 50 if he was going to put him on, but I can live with it since every other player seems fair and has good reasons for it.
So I guess two-time MVP Nikola Jokic doesn't make the top 50. Yet, Luka comes in 20th (and I don't have a major issue with Luka being in that range). But, if you have Luka 20th, Jokic has to be somewhere in the top 50. Top 12 must be in some order: Jordan, Kareem, Bird, LeBron, Magic, Duncan, Kobe, Hakeem, Shaq, Curry, Moses, Dr.J.
It's crazy how steph and especially durant were so close to lebron for so many years and they're this far apart on the list. Just goes to show how close it gets between the all time greats resumes
@@jeanserrano2336 Durant was 2nd in MVP voting to Lebron for three different years. If you look at it that way. Durant has possibly 4 or more MVPs if Lebron doesn’t exist.
@Raymond Sims Exactly. Not all rings are created equal and his one ring is astoundingly impressive, maybe the most impressive Championship run since the Cavs in 2016.
Not really , if you think that there are 3 or 4 people that wont make the list since its only for the last 50 years , Giannis being at the 17th range is actually pretty fair currently
Nick you're my favorite sports analyst and comedian you remind me of me but you got Isaiah too high he's at least top 10 considering your arguing you just laid out much love
I will make one point if he becomes a scorer only in elimination games they are not game planning for him which may make it easier to score.. Just a point..
As much as I hate nick wright I’m actually liking that he has Steph ahead of Isaiah & KD. Shows he can be objective some times. Wish he would act like this on his tv show
@@velikoslovog7526 He'll have Curry ahead of both Dr J. and Moses and maybe even Shaq. I also suspect he'll have Kobe ahead of Bird, and maybe even Olajuwon ahead of Bird.
Look at Jordan's roster at that time, it was one of the weaker teams in the NBA. They also just hacked him anytime he entered the lane. Was the best player in those series.
Luka definitely shouldn't be on the lost but I disagree about Giannis. When you look at the feats hes achieved so far and with a good 8 years probably still left at the top, he definitely belongs in the 14-20 range. One of the few players today that can win you a playoff SERIES with either defense or offense
KD over Giannis? KD doesn't have a ring or a finals MVP. They were awarded to him, but they don't mean anything. Giannis has real hardware, that took GREATNESS to win. KD and Giannis arent in the same conversation. Different cut, different cloth.
I’m sorry but I’d almost have to put Isaiah and Giannis above KD. I just can’t bring myself to see those 2 rings as meaning anything. For just about anyone who remembers Durant being on GS, it was one of the most boring times in basketball history. No competition whatsoever. Dude joins the best regular season team ever AND the team that he choked a 3-1 lead too. Is Kevin the greatest scorer ever? Yes. If he’s not one he’s either two or three. But if rings play the biggest factor, Isaiah’s rings are 100x more meaningful. Giannis’s one ring is more valuable. If we’re just talking about stats, Kevin deserves to be ranked above them
I’m sorry but Giannis is just flat out better than KD IMO . KD has the prettier game but Giannis still matches him in stats and he did something KD could never do and that’s win a ring without a super team
KD is great, used to love him but all the twitter antics and his clear inferiority complex when it comes to the topic of Steph Curry has influenced the way i view him. With that very impressive playoff record you could make the case for Isiah Thomas over KD.
Isiah Thomas is way too high. I've never seen anyone consider him a top 15 player ever. Moreover,you mentioned his regular season being lack luster, and excused it due to winning; but you don't use that same logic for Kawhi who by accomplishments has arguably achieved more in both the regular season and post season than Isiah. In fact, the only categories Isiah was definitively more accomplished than Kawhi in is assist, and all star selections.
Nick just going basically off numbers with the older players he didn't see if that was the case Westbrook should be higher based off nick logic..it's not all about numbers bro
Nick says specifically he does not go off the numbers and there are several times on the list series shows he say “if you watch the games…” I wouldn’t doubt that Nick has watched every single important regular season game in NBA history and every single playoff game in NBA history
I feel like you aren’t doing your due diligence here and just looking at box scores. Isiah Thomas didn’t beat any Chicago super teams, as Chicago didn’t have a superteam nor did he ever outplay Jordan Detroit also didn’t beat Magics “superteam”. How are you completely unaware Magic missed significant time in the 89 Finals due to injury? He barely played. Saying Thomas beat Showtime is like saying the Raptors beat the KD Warriors who swept LeBron
The last dance is just Jordans and Nike's verison of what happend. YOU the one that needs to look up acctualy facts son. David Stern, Gatorade and Spike Lee created the Jordan legend. He DID lose to guys with more heart once in a while. Magic had a hamstring injury he played through in 89. Along side Superstars/75 greatest Worthy and Kareem. Isiah beat showtime the year before on a injured ankle and got cheated out of his first chip by a phantom foul on Lambeer. And he did out play Jordan as he is and OLajuawan are some to the few payers to have a winning record against him.
Who's your favorite player from this episode?
All 3. Feet list Nick
Giannis
KD
Magic Johnson and Isaiah Thomas and Larry Bird
Giannis
I see Nick is incorporating his coworkers on First things first...for the top 2 we BETTER get Shannon for Bron and Skip for Jordan 😂
That'll be epic
Oh god the Jordan one with Skip would be amazing
Shannon can have the jersey the mask and the baby goat 🤣🤣
Point guards in Isaiah's and Stockton's time were discouraged from scoring too much. The scoring numbers of PGs in that era were definitely deflated compared to PGs since then.
With spacing and 3 pointers alone you could easily add 7 to 10 points to Zeke's average in today's game.
Maybe not because efficiency may have been down
Def right on that.
Yes 👍🏾
I'd like to add to the Zeke story with more context. In 1989 the Bulls were the ONLY team to win a game against the pistons in the playoffs.
Nick, I love this series. As a casual NBA I have learned a lot from watching you breakdown these players. I appreciate the respect you have for Dirk, he’s my all time favorite player and it feels like he often gets overlooked. Have you considered doing a similar list but with the greatest teams ever? I think that would be a really cool spinoff of this series.
Isiah Thomas finally getting proper respect.
Isaiah Thomas is the guy you can compare Jimmy butler to now. He was considerably better in the postseason compared to his regular season
Both had the same weakness also: three point shooting.
He played a lot like Dame too
@@mikemazer1771 No, he played a lot like Chris Paul.
@@mikemazer1771 Nah. Thomas was not a 3-pt shooter. Played much differently than Dame.
Good comp homie
Never see Isiah get his flowers, he's never mentioned this high. Love to see it.
Apart from the Luka argument, most of this list has been really fair.
Ya i would have been fine with luka at 50 he’s the first player in a long time this early on in their career that you can realistically project to be a top 10 player
Luka and Giannis both way too high , it’s true they will be higher eventually, but man this is hype.
@@ccarrillo262 eh idk about Gianni’s. Watching his game there might not even be 10 dudes better than him all time. Dude will have 25pt 15reb and that’s a “off game”😂
@@ccarrillo262 whatever your smoking on I need that
Am I the only person crying tears while Nick reads Giannis’ stats?? 🤣🤣🤣
He says Gianni’s didn’t get locked down and reads his stats. Yes he did avg like 30 something against the Celtics but his FG percentage was low. He wasn’t efficient.
@@seancarter7954 34 14 and 7 is impressive even if he wasn’t taking high percentage shots. He was winning games on his own.
Hearing Durant's Thunder numbers, I'm upset all over again that he went to Golden State. All-time-great-top-five potential, incandescent scorer, playoff killer and cops out. I can hear Tyra Banks-- "we were rooting for you!"
This the one 🏆🏆😭🤣🤣🤣
And what would we be saying about him right now if he hadn’t won any championships by this point in his career?
It’s obvious in retrospect that Westbrook was not going to win a championship as the main ball handler, so KD wasn’t ever going to get over the hump there.
@@rickyrobby8133 True. He Wouldn’t Even B High On Anyones List
Russell Westbrook has a terrible basketball iq
He wouldn’t have won a championship in OKC and he’d end up like Malone.
Been loving sundays because of these! It was blasphemous where you had luka, but I think Luka and Giannis are the next two to possible be top 10 if they keep it up. Good work 💯
I do too but can u honestly say if Luka retired today he would be top 20 in the last 50 years I think he has the potential to be top 10 ever if not higher but not yet u can’t say that. Shaq was a different breed lol
its ridiculous to have luka and dismiss players like jokic
@@Jaycheong95 he really dropped the ball doing that, hard to take him serious cause of that.
Moses can’t be better than KD? Moses won the fmvp against 2 of the best teams of all time and made the finals with the rockets with one of the worst rosters ever, that was a LBJ carry job
Moses was impeccable
Nobody taking Moses over KD
@@bskinny6087 i would and over curry too.
@@okocha8113 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Finally some love for The! Detroit Bad Boy Pistons 🔥
I just realized that his son is the one saying all of the names. Teamwork
@@godofwar1392 since Episode 1 😭😭 don’t laugh
Come on man 😂
How 😅😅
Look at all the Legends Isaiah Thomas went through that's amazing definitely top 10
Been loving these man. They’re perfect for my Sunday morning cardio. All I ask is Kobe is at least 9th or above 🤣
Top 5 bro!
I think he’s said before he’s got Kobe at like 7 or 8! You’re good bro😂
@@IversonGandy I mean I’m with you Kobe is my all time favorite. But I can respect anything like 9th or higher
@@ethanmccabe8740 thank god lol
Kobe is a top ten unquestionably
I guess 12th and 11th on Nick's list would be Moses and Dr. J
SPOILER:
NICK ALREADY Spoil in first thing first that Steph is 10th and Shaq is 9th in his list.
Steph isn't 10th on his list he will be next then Moses and dr j
He has hakeem over curry
This week will cement Steph’s position on his list. I’m sure he timed it that way…..Genius 🤫
Nvm you might be right
Zeke is the only person that can say that he beat bird, magic and Jordan in the playoffs
His team and his coach did bud
And what??? Isaiah didn't win as a rookie sophomore or junior nooo go figure
Nah you don’t get to say the “Team did it” when you don’t say the same thing for Jordan…cut it out clown
1988 Jordan AVGED 40 against detroit
@@josephsanchez5987 and lost
I'm guessing the rest of your list is going to be:
1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. "Kareem"
4."Magic"
5. Duncan
6. Kobe
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Olajuwon
10. "Dr. J"
11. Moses Malone
12. Steph Curry
13. Durant
14. Isiah Thomas
15. Giannis
I know Nick has Hakeem over Shaq.
@@adamgorenstein2468 I know he's said that before, don't know if he meant all time or just their games
Hakeem was better, he dominated Shaq in all honesty. I think he may have Jordan at 3 behind Kareem (2) and Lebron (1)
He's already hinted Steph is 10 on his list
If Hakeem isn't over shaq that's crazy Hakeem better player longer career shaq more dominate for shorter time and better teams played with 2 top 3 SGs..
Nothing big to argue here. Agree that Giannis will finish closer to 4 than 14. Unfortunately, the rest of the way not expecting any huge surprises. Too many guys that you could make a reasonable argument for. Guess there’s some intrigue about who will be number 5 with magic, LBJ, Kareem, and Jordan
Probably either Bird or Duncan.
I hope Hakeem the Dream is in top 10
Probably top 5
Should be at this moment: KD> Steph > Giannis. We watched them together during Steph's prime, KD was better. Steph was more of a floor general for Warriors, but KD is professional scorer who dominates on any team
Idiotic take because we've seen them head to head and KD blew a 3-1 lead to Steph. KD also only played better in the finals because the opponents literally doubled and tripled Curry the whole series, leaving Durant either open or in 1-on-1 situations.
KD got swept by this same Celtics team, and outplayed by Tatum..... Steph has been the clear best player on the floor in the Finals, and won. Second best player was Andrew Wiggins, not Kyrie Irving.
Please, continue on stupidly saying KD > Steph, though.
Magic, Steph & Zeke are point guard royalty
Great Episode Nick 🔥
I love Giannis, but putting him one place behind KD with only half of a career seems a little much tbh. Let him get at least another ring. 13 seems a little high at this point (even though I think that he will be Top10 when his career is over)
Bro he is 4 time first team all NBA, 4 time all first team defense, a DPOY, a 2 time Mvp, a finals MVP and a champion. The only thing KD has is one more chip. Giannis also didn't run from adversity either.
Giannis already has more MVPs than KD and has crushed the regular season stats and single handedly delivered Milwaukee a title. He’s 13 bc he’s only played half a career. He won’t finish top 10, he’ll finish top 5.
@@ryanmason3359 single handedly? Really? So Middleton and Holiday were not all stars and great players? This isn't 2011 mavs with Dirk mate
Lol if you notice giannis standards ain't that high, maybe cause he's non american
@@sindilevabaza5194 media voted accomplishments don't make a player better giannis still doesn't pass the eye test
Zeke had Joe Dumars who won a finals MVP and was basically the old school CJ McCollum except he played better Defense. People at some point have to start giving Joe some respect
Y’all don’t give Pippen respect so STFU
Do Top 50 teams of the last 50 years
Giannis resume is good. He got alot of carrer left
I just don’t get how Durant is below curry when he was the clear better player on the same team
Curry is a much better leader than Durant, and he attracts better defense. Without Curry, Durant would've never won a ring, and would finish his carreer as the best player to never win a ring. Curry is a Batman, Durant is a Robin.
Moses, Steph, Dr J next week?
KD doesnt deserve that ranking. Always surrounded by megastars, so automatically his 2 titles and 2 finals MVP is irrelevant. He chokes in the first time he plays an equal caliber team.
Who are you to say a professional don't deserve nothing they worked their whole life for. Put your coffee down & finish your sleep
@@Therantguyyeazy No he wasn't. What superstars? D wade kyrie irving aren't superstars they are stars. Seems like u da hater bringing up lebron
@@novembers5760 KD a 🧁
@@Therantguyyeazy LeBron sure had a super team in Miami, but he also won 2 without one. KD is talented and he has maybe the best bag in history but I don't think he's really accomplished more than Dirk, Zeke and Giannis even if more offensively talented.
@@ju9330 a cupcake with 2 chips & 2 fmvps🤡
It still sucks we are not going to have players from the 60’s, it doesn’t feel like a complete best players ever list without these guys
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
John Havlicek
George Mikan
I'm okay with it, once you go back to the 60s it gets even harder to compare guys, it's already hard enough comparing across 50 years.
@@jasperegan3625 Yeah I just don’t get cutting them off. If you are going to compare eras why not include the 60’s and/or 50’s
@@DFJW45 too hard to compare at that point, no 3 pt line in either of those decades makes it even more difficult
I mean Nick, for all that you said about Isaiah, having Giannis be over that right now, does his one major playoff run being 2021 trump that? Along with his regular season accomplishments it’s still very arguable Isaiah has had a better career by quite a bit so far. Noting Giannis’ individual efforts in losing efforts in round 1 and the conference semis really doesn’t do it for me. Giannis still has a bit more to round out his resume in the playoffs at least. The regular season accolades will most certainly continue to come for Giannis at least for the next 6-8 years if not longer which will help his longevity argument definitely
Two mvps and a chip. I'd say yes.
Because Giannis is more dominant
Isaiah never finished top 4 in MVP voting in his career, his peak doesn't compare to a guy who had a 5 year stretch alone where he was MVP twice, and won DPOY and finals MVP and was top 4 in MVP voting in the years he didn't win
I think Luka's 43 15 13 against the Clippers with the buzzer beater was a better game than Durant's since he actually won and had 2 elite wing defenders guarding him.
nah. KDs Game 5 was better.
...and although KD didn't have Kawhi or PG13 guarding him....he did it against Giannis and PJ Tucker. not too shabby of defenders in their own right
@@richmyrie4162 KD game 5 performance against Celtics is also *LEGENDARY* .
Those guys are not elite defenders anymore. I gave it to Luka because he won the game .
A call in from Jenna was all I needed
I'm actually shocked he has KD over giannis thought it would for sure be the other way
Right man. I am enjoying this list
If Giannis won a chip this year, it would be that way. But KD having that that ring over him really makes the order kinda obv lol
@@Sutidamuskun KD had had a better career and is overall a better player it shouldn’t be surprising.
@@MarkHanna23 well so FAR yes, but Giannis is like 7 years younger, has more MVPs, a DPOY, and will likely catch Durant in Allstars and rings before he even hits 31 lol. It's only a matter of Tim's before he surpasses him
@@Sutidamuskun true is definitely possible he will pass KD, but KD had a roy, and is still in mvp conversation yearly he could grab another or win another ring. I think KD will have more all star and all nba appearances before he retires for sure. 50/40/90 club gets blown off a lot but that’s impressive too and I can’t see Giannis winning that.
David Robinson also has MVP and DPOY
Not in the same year
@@brandonjackson6323 neither does garnett (04 MVP and 08 DPOY). He mentioned him as well, I think
I think Luca has moved up to #19 because got beat by a historically great player in steph curry who has dropped 40 in finals game now
Facts 😂😂😂😂😂
Kawhi & the clips win the chip next year & Luka will become top 15 all time regardless due to his play vs them in the playoffs in years prior! #Nick’sLogic
??? Steph had 40 against Toronto
As far as I'm concerned, Giannis should be even higher. Being the best player and best defender on the planet simultaneously for 4 years in a row means a lot imo. I think he should've won MVP and DPOY all of the last 4 years. If he hadn't been drafted by a garbage franchise like Milwaukee his resume would be even better.
1 finals appearance & 1 Chip stop it. YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN. With that logic you guys will be ready to put in the goat convo with 2 finals appearances & 2 chips.
4 years definitely not. At most two and I would really say only this year.
Steph and KD were the best players in the last 3 . I still think KD is better but he had a horrible series so I will give it to Giannis this year.
This is the first year Giannis looked like the best player. Not the best regular season player but the actual best player.
@@_Shaquille_ KD is above him with 2 and 2, and we all know what he had to do to get those 2. Rings/appearances should never the biggest factor in determining how good a player is or was individually, those are team accomplishments. When it comes to individual player rankings, how well you play matters far more than how many wins your team got. Otherwise, guys like Robert Horry, Satch Sanders>Malone, Barkley, etc.
stop the cap he shouldnt even be over leonard, he has 1 mickey mouse ring and plays in irrelevant basketball (nba since 2015)
@@Christopher._M Steph and KD weren't even 2nd. 😂😂😂 I think you're putting wayy too much value on having a jumpshot. Do you even pay attention to defense, rebounding, passing? Or do you just decide who's game looks nice?
KD is incredible. He should have stayed on GS. People are gonna hate regardless. At least he’d have more rings and be higher on this list!
None of KDs gsw rings count though
I'm "straight" but need to say this hairstyle fits Nick well 😁
Bird only played 6 regular season games and no playoff games in the 1988-89 season when the Pistons swept the 8th seeded Celtics. This was due to season ending ankle surgery. So although Isaiah was peaking while Larry and the Celts declined you gave Isaiah a playoff series win over a shell of a great team that did not have Bird for the playoffs. Bird would come back and help lead the Celtics to some 50 win regular season teams, but by then that really was their upside.
But he beat them the year before
He did the same with the Pistons vs the Lakers in 89 where Magic was injured and barely played. It’s pretty obvious he’s just glancing at BBref statlines and not actually doing real research
Nick is definately a Kd Guy now😂😂😂👍👍👍
I’m curious as to why Nick placed Luka as a projection but placed Giannis as of where he is now
Giannis has been in the league for almost 10 years. There is a 5 year gap between him and luka and in those 5 years Giannis won 2 mvps, a dpoy, a championship, and was all defense each year. If luka had those plus his stats nick would have probably had him higher
Nick said he has Luka low based on where he could end up. Same for Giannis.
Honestly u can argue this is a little projection cause if Giannis career ends right now u can argue he'd be closer to 20 range.
why was Luka so high based on projection (which i agree with) but Giannis didn't get that same treatment. He is still pre-prime, he is still yet to have his biggest moments, he's super young....Why would you not project him appropriately as you did Luka?
That tennis necklace is 🔥
Nick you gotta have another son so when they do segments together it’s called the “The Right Brothers”
Agreed giannis doesn't need a 3pt shot but a midrange and if he can be a 70-75% ft shooter he'll be unstoppable
Fun fact: Giannis has a higher career FT% than Hakeem Olajuwon
Mina Kimes and Bomani Jones are 2 of my favorite sports talk people other than Nick Wright. Of course the are all friends 😂
When did Edward Norton's character in the Rounders become a basketball analyst 🤣🤣
More Jenna call ins!
Only knock on your list is Luka you said its about ehat you have done when ranking and then you have Luka 20.. its hurts credibility.. also Kahwi shoukd be higher
Every team that beat durant in the playoffs win the chip. Thats a a fact!
No way u put Durant over Giannis. His 2nd best player was a g league guy that made something of himself. Durant had kyrie and harden. Steph and Klay. Westbrook and harden. That’s his career.
Well use this same logic with Curry then….. so is Giannis higher than Curry?
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 well, Steph just made the finals with a less than ideal team, playing the same defense KD played, the difference? KD averaged 26 ppg on 38% fg and that was padded by a 39pt game 4,... without which he was averaging on 22 ppg on 36.5% through games 1-3... Against the same defense, Steph is averaging 34ppg on basically 50, 50, 86...
Trust me, Steph's impact is greater than KD and thst's evident anytime they step on court....
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 absolutely.
@@ayyocool why? You just said Giannis should be higher than KD but not Steph? Doesn’t make sense because Curry has also played with HOFrs his entire career…..so the same argument you’re trying to tear KD down with doesn’t apply to Steph hmmmmmm i interesting
Has Nick finished the list or not? If not, by the end of this week if Steph wins 4th title and FMVP, he has to be top 10
He's definitely top ten of the last 50 years, just not overall.
The Big Ticket also has an MVP and DPOY
You ruined your well thought out list when you had Luka at 20. Love him, but thats way too high. And yet you don't have Jokic in your top 50. A guy with 2 MVPs.
He did say that playoff success matters alot in this list, so I get having jokic left off since he's had basically 0.
Luka should've been at 50 if he was going to put him on, but I can live with it since every other player seems fair and has good reasons for it.
List was made before Joker had won a second MVP--but he said that he would have him on here if he won it this year
Joe Dumars is an honorable mention in regards to Isaiah Thomas… They sleep on him too.
The list has been great except for CP3 and Luka
So I guess two-time MVP Nikola Jokic doesn't make the top 50. Yet, Luka comes in 20th (and I don't have a major issue with Luka being in that range). But, if you have Luka 20th, Jokic has to be somewhere in the top 50.
Top 12 must be in some order: Jordan, Kareem, Bird, LeBron, Magic, Duncan, Kobe, Hakeem, Shaq, Curry, Moses, Dr.J.
Wasn't Jokic 40-something? Anyway, having Luka at 20 was an absolute joke. How is he ahead of Kawhi, for instance, or Rick Barry?
It's crazy how steph and especially durant were so close to lebron for so many years and they're this far apart on the list. Just goes to show how close it gets between the all time greats resumes
I’m the biggest Curry fan but they were never close to Bron
@@jeanserrano2336 Durant was 2nd in MVP voting to Lebron for three different years. If you look at it that way. Durant has possibly 4 or more MVPs if Lebron doesn’t exist.
Giannis really high for one title. True he will be up there by the time he retires but this is kind of hype.
Find me 15 players with a better resume than him, and he was only 26 winning his first ring. Younger than all the GOATs.
I have Giannis greater than KD all time already tbh
you tweaking
@@gqprince2 he's accomplished as much if not more in less time, with less help...
@@alex-og.zalez9403 still not a better player
Giannis too high. One valid chip doesnt make you top 14. He is gonna end up top 10 tho I think
100% agree way worst with luka but I think Giannis and Lukas current ranking is biased by their potential projection not where they are currently
@@jeroglow99 Giannis can't be based of projections or he would be at least top 10.
@Raymond Sims Exactly. Not all rings are created equal and his one ring is astoundingly impressive, maybe the most impressive Championship run since the Cavs in 2016.
Giannis has 2 mvps dpoy and one of the best finals runs ever
Not really , if you think that there are 3 or 4 people that wont make the list since its only for the last 50 years , Giannis being at the 17th range is actually pretty fair currently
Nick you're my favorite sports analyst and comedian you remind me of me but you got Isaiah too high he's at least top 10 considering your arguing you just laid out much love
I will make one point if he becomes a scorer only in elimination games they are not game planning for him which may make it easier to score.. Just a point..
As much as I hate nick wright I’m actually liking that he has Steph ahead of Isaiah & KD. Shows he can be objective some times. Wish he would act like this on his tv show
The only issue I have is CP3 being too high.
As a note, Luka is his son, so I give it a pass.
He said Durant is between Steph and Giannis. So number 12 is Curry
i swear he was at 50k subs before this episode dropped 😭
My rest of list guess
1.Lebron
2.kareem
3.Jordan
4.Magic
5.Bird
6.Duncan
7.Hakeem
8.Kobe
9.Shaq
10.Dr.J
11.Malone
12.Curry
He’s already said he has curry at 10
@@JayJayww31 wasn’t that if he wins this year?
Mostly agreed, but I don't think he like's Bird that much
@@velikoslovog7526 He'll have Curry ahead of both Dr J. and Moses and maybe even Shaq. I also suspect he'll have Kobe ahead of Bird, and maybe even Olajuwon ahead of Bird.
@@velikoslovog7526 you’re probably right ... when I was looking at it .. I kind of went of the guess magic and bird would be paired
Stop giving away the players on your thumbnail. Lol I still watch it but I like the suspense.
Prediction for Nick's Top 15:
15. Isiah (initial prediction: Dirk)
14. Giannis (initial prediction: Durant)
13. Durant (initial prediction: Giannis)
12. Moses
11. Dr. J.
10. Steph
9. Hakeem
8. Shaq
7. Kobe
6. Duncan
5. Bird
4. Magic
3. Jordan
2. Kareem
1. LeBron
Mina with the spoilers 😂
I’m waiting till this drops 😭
I would love for Giannis to become the GOAT. 2 more mvps 2 more dpoy and two more titles and is a wrap.
The take about Isaiah just proving how overrated is jordan
Look at Jordan's roster at that time, it was one of the weaker teams in the NBA. They also just hacked him anytime he entered the lane. Was the best player in those series.
Nick Wrights delusional love for Giannis and Luka is just baffling at this point. Both are way too high on this list.
Luka definitely shouldn't be on the lost but I disagree about Giannis. When you look at the feats hes achieved so far and with a good 8 years probably still left at the top, he definitely belongs in the 14-20 range. One of the few players today that can win you a playoff SERIES with either defense or offense
Prediction
1. LeBron
2. Kareem
3. Jordan
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Kobe
7. Hakeem
8. Bird
9. Shaq
10. Steph
11. Dr J
12. Moses
You mean Magic at 4?
@@velikoslovog7526 Yes, thanks!
Magic #3
KD over Giannis? KD doesn't have a ring or a finals MVP. They were awarded to him, but they don't mean anything. Giannis has real hardware, that took GREATNESS to win. KD and Giannis arent in the same conversation. Different cut, different cloth.
I mean Giannis is 27 , its only a matter of time till he surpasses KD but currently its fair to say KD's career has been better
very good statistics but, if he doesn't get another championship ring , Durant is just a great player.
When you list off KDs resume you’re literally saying he’s a minnimum top 10 player.
there’s more than just words on paper.
Chuck should be #15
Isiah should be ahead of kd just for those 2 titles alone. Dude was the bus driver against some legendary teams and won
I like Zeke but his regular season resume is not close to KD's.
how is isiah thomas 14th and Joe Dumar not even make your top50. have you looked at his resume?
Thomas up against Jordan! Check the scoreboard 💪💪
I’m sorry but I’d almost have to put Isaiah and Giannis above KD. I just can’t bring myself to see those 2 rings as meaning anything. For just about anyone who remembers Durant being on GS, it was one of the most boring times in basketball history. No competition whatsoever. Dude joins the best regular season team ever AND the team that he choked a 3-1 lead too. Is Kevin the greatest scorer ever? Yes. If he’s not one he’s either two or three. But if rings play the biggest factor, Isaiah’s rings are 100x more meaningful. Giannis’s one ring is more valuable. If we’re just talking about stats, Kevin deserves to be ranked above them
I called it last week,IsiahThomas,last week.But thought GIannis & Durant would be lower than Moses & Dr.J..
I’m sorry but Giannis is just flat out better than KD IMO . KD has the prettier game but Giannis still matches him in stats and he did something KD could never do and that’s win a ring without a super team
Their careers have a similiar trajectory
So Steph is at 11 then it seems, since Nick said he's just outside the top 10.
Giannis at #14 and Doncic at #20 discredits this list all the waaaaay!!!!
No it doesn’t
@@johnsondailysports1341 i beg to difer
@Raymond Sims 1 chip with the finals mvp and 2 regular season mvps is not a top 15 player of the last 50 yrs, I'm sorry..
@@davidmorenoperez942 luka made 3 all nba first teams in 4 seasons lol
@@davidmorenoperez942 are you saying Giannis shouldn’t be too 15?
KD is great, used to love him but all the twitter antics and his clear inferiority complex when it comes to the topic of Steph Curry has influenced the way i view him. With that very impressive playoff record you could make the case for Isiah Thomas over KD.
People like you have no business having a say in these type of conversations…way too much bias and emotion in your thoughts instead of fair critique
W
Nick was at the game in *oakland
Isiah Thomas is way too high. I've never seen anyone consider him a top 15 player ever. Moreover,you mentioned his regular season being lack luster, and excused it due to winning; but you don't use that same logic for Kawhi who by accomplishments has arguably achieved more in both the regular season and post season than Isiah. In fact, the only categories Isiah was definitively more accomplished than Kawhi in is assist, and all star selections.
Knock it off
Nick just going basically off numbers with the older players he didn't see if that was the case Westbrook should be higher based off nick logic..it's not all about numbers bro
Nick says specifically he does not go off the numbers and there are several times on the list series shows he say “if you watch the games…” I wouldn’t doubt that Nick has watched every single important regular season game in NBA history and every single playoff game in NBA history
I feel like you aren’t doing your due diligence here and just looking at box scores. Isiah Thomas didn’t beat any Chicago super teams, as Chicago didn’t have a superteam nor did he ever outplay Jordan
Detroit also didn’t beat Magics “superteam”. How are you completely unaware Magic missed significant time in the 89 Finals due to injury? He barely played. Saying Thomas beat Showtime is like saying the Raptors beat the KD Warriors who swept LeBron
The last dance is just Jordans and Nike's verison of what happend. YOU the one that needs to look up acctualy facts son. David Stern, Gatorade and Spike Lee created the Jordan legend. He DID lose to guys with more heart once in a while.
Magic had a hamstring injury he played through in 89. Along side Superstars/75 greatest Worthy and Kareem. Isiah beat showtime the year before on a injured ankle and got cheated out of his first chip by a phantom foul on Lambeer. And he did out play Jordan as he is and OLajuawan are some to the few payers to have a winning record against him.
Can you stop spoiling the list in you title? We already get the names in individual vids.
Jordan don’t have a super team against the pistons