STEEL Vs. ALLOY WHEELS Which One Is Stronger? Hydraulic Press Test!
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- STEEL vs ALLOY rims / wheels which one is stronger? We but both wheels in to our 150 ton press and crush them to find out! Don't try this at home! Link to LED tube video • World First Non-Flicke... Thanks for new lights to Valtavalo! They are really good and really well suited to for our filming use thanks to good CRI and absence of any flickering! For more information about G4 LED tubes valtavalo.fi/t...
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Do not try this at home!! or at any where else!!
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Hydraulic Press Channel, hey! You put the pressure gauge in the corner, awesome! I suggested that recently, glad to see you doing it.
If your youTube car isn't going to live to see another summer, what are you building to race next?
Love, a Volvo enthusiast/pro for the last...longer than I care to admit ;)
The videos / commercials of that company are a lot of funn
I like seeing you do collaborations with other Finnish companies it's cool
This was a cool comparison. I'd like to see a forged wheel compared to a knockoff cast wheel of the same design
HPC: “This is really dangerous so don’t try this at home”
Me: (Removing the wheel from my hydraulic press...)
Thomas H stfu. Don't make other fool
i'm sure that everyone have hydraulic press in their living house, except me
Justas Li A hydraulic press is actually an everyday item.
Mine sits between the coffee maker and the toaster. I use it to straighten bend forks
Menno can Lavieren Mine's in my butthole, so I always have it within reach when needed.
Those wheels aren't having a very Goodyear.
Good one
(BF)Good,rich and Kleber joke. I General(ly) hold myself if I find a joke entertaining, but sometimes I become temporarily (in)Continental and let out a little. It's a real Achilles heel of mine, but every time it happens I'm like "oh Kumh'on" and I have a hard time Co(o)p(er)ing with it. Michelin accomplished for you, I guess, for making me laugh.
You're probably reading this thinking "what the Falken", but don't you worry, I'm almost Dun(lop). Writing jokes as bad as these should realistically be a Federal crime as they're a real Pirelli in the ass to read because they're soo bad. Until the Nexen time, good day Toyo!
(ok but I'm actually sorry for writing this because it's sooo awful... what am I even doing with my life...? writing tire jokes one by one, like what the actual :s)
But I'll bet that press couldn't break a Bridgestone.
I now want to kill myself
Ba Dum Chhhsssshhhhhhhhh
Ok I won’t try this at home with my industrial hydraulic press.
Try it with your toaster !
such an original joke i cant imagine seeing it anywhere else. ^^^^^^
Actually it is gonna be super easy - barely an inconvenient....
There are hydraulik presses on ebay, also having one with 12 tons for reasons close to my bedroom...
Cost 200$ + shipping.
He was definately talking to freaks like me.
All the best bro 😁
@@EREMIT-DE we have four hydraulic presses at the farm. The biggest one I do believe are around 60t and can't remember the three others. I don't really use them much but others do and so far only had one ambulance to come.
I will NOT be bringing my tires to this shop for mounting.
Pfuh, thank you for warning me, I was about to start up my hidraulic press and crush some spare rims I had laying around, thanks for the heads up
I was really scared about one flying out from there so I but safety rope and everything :D Probably good idea not to try this :D
ei varmaan jokasella oo prässiä ja renkaita mitä huvikseen rupeis tuhoamaa :D sitä meinas varmaan...
Who has a hydralic press
I think you're too dense to realise the actual purpose of this test
Paul Jucan - mine is in the middle of the living room,, where is yours ? 🙃
Even without the air in the tire, alloy wheels have high internal stresses from the tempering process. They tend to shatter or at least crack and shear rather than bend like steel wheels. It's what makes them strong for their weight. Usually the failure point is beyond what you'd get with normal driving, but occasionally they crack from fast pothole impacts.
So what do u think which one it's better steel or alloy?
@@simonoraha9067 If you are frequently on a highway with family definitely steel rims are better.
@@Ravi-gy5vl what happen to the alloy rims on the highway?
@@simonoraha9067 if you hit a big pothole on a highway with a good enough speed then the alloy will crack and break but a steel wiil only have a dent. I have a experience.
@@Ravi-gy5vl oh ok thank u a lot ☺️
* On Craigslist *
Slightly Used Rims & Tires,
Rims have a few cracks,
But they’re easily repairable.
LMAO Ive seen that so MANY times! Little curb rash can be welded...
"I know what i got"
Lowballers will be ignored
3:25
Take it to a tire place and ask them if they can fix your tire ?
sounds like tom when jerry hit his foot with a hammer
Scary thing is some of them would prob say yes!
I worked in a wheel shop and we'd fix wheels of all sorts as well as doing basic tire shop jobs and way more wheels than you would think possible came in like this lol people are dumb as shit
@@TheMuddatrucker yeah have you buy a rim and a tire.😂
@@TheMuddatrucker from them.😂
I only come here to hear his English pronunciation... Coz he always make me happy... 😂
Really!? jesus, I fucking hate his pronunciation, it's SOOOO ANNOYING. hahahaha
@@Carl_NB I adore it. Sooo much
@@Carl_NB then learn his language and listen to his native-speaking...
Ikr
As a Finn i must disagree lol
"Don't try this at home!"
Sure, I forgot I have a 150 tons press somewhere under my bed.
:))))))))
Do you really ?, me too 😎
More like on your bed you fat fuck, just sit down on those wheels.
Me too. I bought it at Wal-Mart
Can you please mount the "offset tire" back on the car and see if it still works?
I want to see that :)
But the that tire is still flat, isn't it (even though there wasnt' a bang)?
seneca983 So? Only makes it better :)
Weld the hole shut and give her a go!
killz0ne215 how can you weld rubber?
This is the best channel for hydraulic press videos. No annoying background music, a professional workshop, professional slow motion cameras, professional compressor, the amount of weight compressed shown, and creativity.
What a lovely demonstration of the difference between brittle and ductile failure :)
also the proof taht steel rims are better than cast aliminium, most damage you do to a steel rim during practical application can actually be fixed, once an aluminium rim cracks, it's gone.
Good ole A36!
@CLureCo they do, but an aluminium rim needs to be welded ( if it can be saved ), a steel rim just needs a few blows with a hammer and it can be re-used.
But in a minor collision with e.g. a curb, the steel may bend while the aluminum is completely unscathed. It's all about what you intend to do with your vehicle.
@@Keldor314 trust me ;) i've seen lots of aluminium rims break with a ''minor collision''. and besides that. a steel rim is way easier and cheaper to replace/repair than a aluminium rim
you should have done fake alloy wheels vs real OEM alloy wheels. The new lights are great!
As long as you get quality ones, there will be no difference. Forged aftermarket is a whole different story, by so is the price ;)
yes good idea
Piotr Sulej no no no NO
@@johnbeer5242 well, yes- all the stock factory ones are cast, just like the "fakes". Just don't get any that have no proof marks on them.
There is a video from Australia where they tested this with fake Mercedes wheels vs real. It was a campaign by Mercedes Aus and the peak automotive body down here. I'm sure you can find it easily by searching fake vs genuine Mercedes wheel Australia.
Edit: felt like being good Guy Greg; ruclips.net/video/g05gODNU04Q/видео.html
The good thing about steel rims when touring is you can bash them back into place and relative alignment as opposed to alloy
did that last winter after a pothole went in my way....5 hits with a hammer and almost new
Went off road with alloys, stone flung up inside the wheel and cracked it.
@@TheCommanderNZ no fckn way 😐💀
@@ASJacob well, not a stone but a fist sized rock.
@@TheCommanderNZ ahhhh that makes sense...still a bummer though!
Next time I see a hydraulic press in the middle of the road, I'm swerving around it!
Angry Trucker Your comment gets a 1 from me.
Angry Trucker the meaning of ricer has been lost now because as soon as someone put a mod that changes the appearance and isn't a person who is professional they get called a ricer
I just browsed through some of the comments. It's amazing how many people actually seem to think that this is supposed to be a serious scientific test or to offer actual consumer advice. I also learned that there are many people who are not in possession of a hydraulic press... or a sense of humour.
A Casual Observer both of us… those poor bastards
Sounds just like my old 200t bress brake. Just the same. Brought back so many memories of sheer hyd power.
i also observe you you are pointless too.
@@fiyanfiruzih4800 I can already tell your one of them
ITS JUST A VS VIDEO just showing a press crushing weels not that much science going on
"This is really dangerous, don't ever try anything like this at home..."
" *AND HERE WE GO!* "
I don't have the equipment
I'd like to see the strength difference between cast aluminum wheels (like the ones you just tested) and forged aluminum wheels (which are typically lighter and much more expensive).
To The Top Crane Also magnesium!!
Just do carbon rims on the same go while they're at it!
They arent much stronger in generell but the forged Material contains way less air and i denser in General , still with Aluminium and Magnesium rims a small curbstone hit can create a microfracture and let the rim explode at high speeds (not really a Problem besides in germany)
I Know air is the wrong term , tech talk can be pretty hard if you arent so good in english
I second this.
How about a high quality lightweight aftermarket cast wheel (enkei rpf1) vs an aftermarket forged wheel.
Worst rim job I ever had 🤦♂️
HA!
No such thing as a bad rim job, at least on the recieving end.
8:51 Hmm, now I know how to change the offset of a steel rim!
At 8:45 I engaged my safety squints :o
Corn-tact!
She done let the chooch out
Water who?.. AVE!
Ave? Who's that? The Waterjet Channel came up with all those words in between mustaches! Wranglerstar is the Kid Crudi of literal garbage.
AVE (ruclips.net/user/arduinoversusevil). He's the actual Canadian all your favorite youtubers are imitating. Safety squints, don't let the magic pixies out, corn-tact, chooch factor etc. This waterjet guy sounds cool, but his channel is pretty fresh having started up in September of '16.
3:54 when in slow mo sound like Godzilla lol
AKKAKAKKAKAAKKAKAKAKJAJAJAKKAJAKKAKAKAKKKKAKAKKAKAKAKAKJAJAKAKKAK
HahahahahaxD yeah that's right 👏👏
TIE Interceptor
Yeah lol
Danny reese
Yep, lmfao
People on Craigslist:
FOR SALE- Used aluminum alloy rim with 195/60R15 tire. Tread still has a lot of life. Rim in decent shape, some slight curb damage.
FIRM at $150. No lowballers.
Fr
Lauri, people who get snow understand Summer Tires but I've mentioned snow tires to someone from Florida and they didn't know what I was talking about! 😂
That Dude Floridians don’t know what ‘snow’ is.
It's fun in Michigan when we see someone visiting from places like Florida and there's a couple feet of snow on the ground with whiteout conditions outside 😱
me, at work, laughing at all the Floridians and Californians who moved here and buy Goodyear weathereadies or yk740s for "winter" LMAO hopefully thatll make them move back to where they came from
Florida has 2 seasons: summer and hurricane season.
@@MCatwar it snows in CA . they had the winter Olympics at a little ski park called Squaw Valley. My Toy hi lux wears the winter tires all year .
That scream... 3:52
That was wheel popping
Yeah I know. :)
@@aliozanerbektas just thought i'd let you know. 😁
I love you! :)
@@aliozanerbektas 😂
You should try to set up your rig that holds the rims on from the centre where it would normally mount to the axle then crush it from the top of bottom to simulate real force impact from road to wheel
If I can’t try this at home, I’ll try it at a friends house
Leo
That’s how I interpret those instructions.
Try it with your friend's wheels as well.
A Nihtgenga ya
Or babuska's house!
Naughty boy
structural welder here!!! Aluminum strength varies A LOT based on the adding alloys in it. Some have 20,000psi strength, others have 130,000 psi. (at least that's the strongest I tested)
The same goes with steel. It can be soft and maluable, or very hard and brittle
lifesabitch90 mechanical engineer here confirming all your statements above. Also important to note that materials engineering is a whole separate world of science. The geometry of these wheels were wildly different and the uncontrolled nature of the experiment determined no conclusion about the wheels with the unrealistic scenario of a hydraulic press, it’s just for fun.
Having said that, not only can some aluminum alloys have a higher tensile strength than some steels, but the slope of the stress/strain curve can be different which can make a metal more or less brittle. Not to mention again that geometry of structure is just as important as the material
YOU GET IT!!! Reading all the idiot comments here and I think we're the only two that have any idea how metals and their geometry actually work.
High school dropout here... video is very cool !
lifesabitch90 , you stated common knowledge, this was just for fun, guess you didn't understand that haha.
Joseph Collins but I do… as I have built bridges and designed trusses in buildings.
I'm just happy you're not one of the many twatwaffles that tries to argue the obvious. (such seen in the below comments)
7:23 When she's pleasantly surprised by that tossed salad.
You're doing it wrong, you are gonna have a really hard time putting these back on your car!
@@stefanzz Damn. Let's go.
You just press them back on the car
Johan Persson
How much money are we talking here?
Johan Persson honestly I need cash
Did someone say, steak?
Please say: "It is me, Luigi"
RePlayed TV In Finnish?
I've never come across a Finnish guy named Luigi.
Americans have to proof it every day how stupid and ignorant they are
Come on guys, it would still be funny. Dont make this about americans.
You mean, "It's-a-me, Luigi"
Goodyear. They are good, for about a year.
3:55 damn, with what did filled you the tires?
demons?
nope. that's the sound of johnhaggerty2012's feet in a nutshell
If you manage to find a single really high quality forged wheel, maybe one that's already been in an accident so it won't be missed so much, you could try that too. It would be interesting to see if there's a big difference between a basic wheel like that and something really high quality like the top of the line BBS, Rays or Enkei that are used on race cars.
I think I can found one! I will ask from my friend who works with car tyres if he would know where to get one with out paying too much
Cast anything is going to be less structurally sound compared to forged or billet. Simple physics.
Of course, that's the obvious part. But how different are they really and how does the forged counterpart react, it would just be interesting to see. Like all videos on this channel :D
Audiojack the other thing is how the configuration of spokes would affect things. Many variables
1:43 you can thanks me later
3:33 also
5:21 quit babbling
7:16 now what
8:42 = =
10:12 haters gonna hate
Thanks
Not all hero’s wear capes. Thank you.
A press like this would be handy if there's a Terminator around.
And how would you propose to get a Terminator to lay under a hydraulic press? :p
It won't work that well on a T1000. It will probably just get pissed off and run after you.
@@OfARisenFall .... dynamite.
Good luck and I don't believe in luck. I imagine you mean after terminating the terminator
@Shubham Chaudhari go ahead and try, I'll stay far away, T1000s frighten me!
They are going to need some ' Balancing ' to get them drivable again 🤣
Hah what a funny joke lol xDdddD
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Steal is easier to get it back on shape
We all know before watching the video that steel will be stronger but I still love how they already know but test it anyway.
Well done
Are those new lights on the blast screen protected? I can see projectiles bursting them.
Can be repaired cheap in Lithuania and sold as new :D
Yeah ,they will press it at the opposite side
The advantage is that steel bends not breaks like alloy. That’s why serious off-roads use steel. You can repair it by bending it back if need be. So it’s weakness is it’s strength.
You nailed it, son.
Same reason that police use steel rims
‘Don’t try any of this at home’ me: who has a hydraulic press capable off 200 tons in their living room 😂
Zoltán Bartha you never know what people have in their living rooms 😂
We have one next to the t.v. it doubles as a cat scratchin' post!
In the USA I bet there are at least 20.
Python owners . . . . OK, maybe not 200 tons, but still pretty good for an organic drive power hug module : )
I don’t think a “Don’t try this at home” to those with the hydraulic press would stop them.
I love this channel.
CHEEAH
It’s so pure. He gets right to it and the video matches the title. Last honest youtuber out there.
Ok
Good thing about steel wheels offroad is if you somehow bend it enough to lose air, you have a chance of bending it back pretty close and making it back. Can't really do much about a cracked alloy wheel on the trail
New workshop lights looks awesome gratz:)
Yep and they were also surprisingly good filming lights!
That Good Year tyre is having a real 'Bad' Day....😂😂😂
8:16 That stretch tho 😍😍
I'm gonna do this as soon as I get home! I have an 999 Petaton ( 999,000,000,000,000,000 tons ) atomic press that's powered by a miniaturized neutron star at home.
Sure it's not a black hole that powers it?
Please do upload the video
I'll upload the video as soon as I'm done using it to make diamonds, and metallic hydrogen.
I was wondering who won that EBay auction
This is why the police run steel wheels, they may deform, but they do not catastrophically fail losing control of the vehicle...
Good quality OEM alloy wheels or real BBS don't fail like this, normally. There's a nice video of, I believe, Mercedes or VW wheels being tested, running up a curb at 100km/h. They use an OEM wheel, and an aftermarket replica that's supposed to look like the OEM wheel. Of course, the OEM wheel bends, the aftermarket one shatters.
Jason Poole every single performance car uses alloy wheels? Lol
Police use steel bc they are cheap stock and replace.
@Jason Poole Their strength mostly depends on whether alloy wheels are cast or forged, but the quality of casting varies greatly across brands. I think you're pretty unlikely to encounter anything on a track that will cause an alloy to fail though, it would more likely be something like a pothole on the road. I've never damaged one on the track but chipped,cracked and dented on the road due to poor road surface. I'm with you on the off road vehicles though.
I hit a massive pot hole in an old car with steel wheels once. The rim bent badly, but the tire maintained pressure and I was able to get home without putting on the spare. It cost $30 at a junkyard for a replacement rim. I love how my alloy wheels look now, but you can't beat the resiliency and economy of steel wheels. Alloys also tend to corrode along the tire bead and cause slow leaks as they age.
9:09 How to make deep dish Steelies
Use an hydraulic press with 20 tons force
🤮🤮🤮🇲🇽🇲🇽
Could you maybe build a rig like an airplane land gear with a tire on each side? You would then press from the middle.
please more of these kind of videos (which is stronger)
Did you ever put an infrared camera on your experiments? would be interesting.
Please put a new screw in the missing hole in the pressure gauge housing.
Ah, a fellow OCD patient. 😄
Well, if a hole is missing you can't put a screw in it... ;-)
The thing is the aluminum endured more pressure but cracked in a second, the steel one can take less pressure but it will never break it just deforms.
If you wheel defroms even a little it's pretty fucked. It will ruin the balance and probably the bead.
That was amazing to watch, the wheel actually bent and you could see that and the strain was awesome.
How about squashing truck tyres need to stand outside the building for that BOOOOM!! 🤣🤣🤣
A little unfair comparing a 4 lug to a 5 lug. Alloy wheels can be made pretty strong, but typically, given equal sizes, steel rims are typically rated for higher vehicle weights. I think some of that is the cost of heavy duty alloy wheels is likely considerably higher than making heavy duty steel rims.
From 7:25 "that was priti coooll" 😂😂😂😂😂 Real finish english 😆👍
Now that's the proper way to break a tire bead lol.
6:30 - The deformed rim kind of resembles one of the classic Batman logos. Neat.
money to be made mate..tin of black spray paint job done
3:55 - 3:58the sound is like someone falling into a pit while screaming
7:39 somebody please turn that into a song
it would make a good rap beat.
Man, I really want to try this at home with my hydraulic press machine I have laying around..
I LOVE how you pronounce Air as Ayer 😂
Something about this channel is strangely hypnotic. Also "pretty evil and dangerous animal" LMAO
The interesting bit was seeing how quickly the first alloy went after the tire lost pressure. Its gets visilble how the air is what bears the main load. Nice one!
=> Tire pressure is essential for protecting aluminium wheel, check often!
I don't know what makes me laugh more, the stuff getting crushed or you guys cracking up when you crush stuff!
Rofl "Don't try this at home" Yes man i try by locking my hydraulic press away in my closet.
Wow, that's one thick Finnish accent! Cool vid.
Yeah it is, but its “prrritti forcedd” ;)
I guess he speaks a very fluent transatlantic accent off-camera.
He isn't sweedish?
@@motomx69 Nope, he's a Finn.
I especially liked the way he pronunced "air" and "pressure".
It's clear that he has learned English written before spoken.
Them tires took more than I thought they would.
7:28 Priti kul 😂😂😂😂
So in summary, if Skynet had made the Terminator out of steel, Sarah Connor would be toast.
The terminator was made of materials extremely strong compared to steel
But skynt elements a
re not stronger than Vibranium Though!!!😉
Thanks! very entertaining. Now lets try a snow man LOL
Now do Hydraulic Press vs Kimi Raikkonen's Steering Wheel.
1:50.basically my trip through Detroit
I see on the description "Do not try this at home!! or at any where else!!
".. Who in the world would be able to try this at home..... Its just hilarious.
I want more exploding anvils
We have really good anvil video coming on BTP soon! We will explode anvils with gunpowder high in the air
@chris hardway look up gay Wilkinson he is the anvil shooting champion. Its an actual sport
fantastic videos as always :) been watching a long time, and never commented yet - but i wanted to send words of encouragement from a CNC machinist from America! also the new lights look very good!
I once found pieces of aluminium alloy rim all over the road. The city was repairing concrete roads by cutting rectangle chunks out of the road, inserting new re-bar and repouring concrete. They must have been intending to pour the new concrete the next day because they put a warning barrier around the hole and left it over night. Some guy must have driven through that hole at 100km/h or more (the speed limit was 50), because the next day there were pieces of aluminium rim all over the place. 40 tons of pressure!
3:53 aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh sound effect it kinda sound like goku powering up
I don't have Hydraulic Press at home. So don't worry...
But you could probably compare apples and oranges.
Same here don't have hydraulic Press at home, but i have a 20ton excavator in the back yard maybe i will try...
Me: I got a dent rim, is it repairable?
Hydraulic press: Say no more.
its pretty proten! funny accent, crushing stuff with a hydraulic press, yeah i am subscribing to this channel for sure!
Almost the same when Hungarians speak in English. :-)
can you do some hydraulic press vs. hydrualic press? hahahaha
Funny!
That silver aluminum rim is off a Chevy Venture van, I know that rim well, I have worked on some of them.
Original GM Venture rim, 15 inches, comes with 215/70R15 size tire from GM factory. 5x115
The Blue steel rim is a 4 bolt Acura rim, 4X100, usually 14 inches, some are 15 inches.
Integra came with 14 inch rims. 4x100
EL came came with 15 inch rims. 4x100
I always have to wait for the clay dude at the end.
Grande Kimi, Grande!
The steel has considerably more tensile strength. The hub and spoke parts of the aluminum wheels are probably 4, or more times, as thick as the steel wheels. Use all the exact same dimensions of the steel wheel, to manufacture the aluminum wheel, and the aluminum wouldn't hold up any time hauling a load on a rough road or sharp curves. Take a 1x12 inch piece of aluminum and the same size piece of cold roll steel and support each end of each piece and check your pressures it takes to bend them in the middle. That would be a fair and more accurate test. You could do the same with a straight up compression test. The steel would still be much stronger than the aluminum.
Aluminum is stronger in strength to weight ratio my dear. Also these are cast alloy wheels that are weakest. Billet or forged aluminum are very strong than cast.
Hyvä video. Hyvin tehty. Hauska aksentti. Tunnen rakas naapuri. Ystävällisin terveisin Pietariin.
If i send you a 5mm cap screw can you replace the missing 3rd fastener to the pressure gauge??? Lol
Its been bugging me for years.
I had to rewatch the video to check the gauge. Nice eye.
I don’t want no rims for my car after looking at this video. You Gotta be careful when you’re driving your car with those type of rims Keep your factory rims. They will never break. Thumbs up 👍
thank you very much I learned a lot watching this. Although steal is heavier I believe it is better, especially when driving on bad pot ridden roads
This doesn't take into account different blends for the aluminum and it doesn't account for different manufacturing methods. There's a reason that wheels have a load rating, and why they differ for different cars.
Them:- do not try this at home
Me:-oh! I forgot I have a hydraulic press at home🤔
I wondered what Kimi Raikenin was doing these days
ahahahahaha ahahahhaa ...lol..funny ...
NOT going there....
As far as i heared all He does is drinking
forged vs. cast wheels!
Gradual load and instant load are very different.. can you do the second one