I will be working on this like no tomorrow. Thank you!! I have around 110-115 mph with external to external. I'm all over the place with consistency. There's days i pound it then days i feel weak and the ball is going everywhere. Fast enough but no real whip. I can't wait to put this in motion!
Not just coaches, Bryson Dechambeau also says to setup externally as well. So there is a way to get power but I guess it’s best left up to the pros because I tried it and as you said I swung over the top. Gonna try this way out 👍
Took the external rotation to the course and 2 things happened 1) I hit a 319 yard drive. 2) hit a 270 however uphill fairway and against the wind. I bet if I hit that same shot on the other hole it would have cracked 319. Out of all the tips this one yielded the biggest results! I did fall out of my swing and recovered when I made sure my lead shoulder was going up and back to avoid closing the face with a bad hook. One thing I don't think of my lower body , it seems to do what it needs to do as a by product of the lead shoulder turn.
Omg sooo right!👍🏻 I find that even the feeling of overdoing ‘internal’ the whole swing works well because under speed and momentum external sorta just happens if you’re moving how your body wants to naturally. I suppose the natural follow-up to this video would be a deep dive into lead arm mechanics.😬
Thank you for the great explanation and answering my question. In conclusion a flying elbow is a good thing no matter what all the cookie cutter swing coaches tell you. Jack back in the day when a 1 wood was wood could hit it a mile and his elbow was a flyin'. My swing thought on the way down is to externally rotate by turning the pit of my arm (opposite side of my elbow) to the position the coaches wanted at address on the downswing and internally on the backswing. I have to take it to the range
High hands = bigger arc = more speed. Can't have a big arc without that high flying elbow. When hitting wood clubs, you better have a MASSIVE arc to generate some distance. No better example than Jack.
Great video as always!! Big fan 😅😅 I have a question, i always struggle to hit my driver off the center, and tend to hit the tee most of the time - leading to shots high on the face most of the time. I struggle to hit it in the center unless i tee my ball super low which makes me create a weak fade with no speed.. Could there be a reason for this?
I’m no golf pro but sounds like you’re hitting down on the ball too much. I’m the opposite, I hit mine too low because I swing up too much on it and it hits on the bottom of the face. Sometimes I top it. You playing the ball off your lead heel?
I actually just finished recording a series coming out in the next few weeks where I quickly discuss the main reasons you hit it high on the face, low on the face, off the toe, or off the heal. Your answer will certainly be in there! So stay tuned!
One thing I did notice is when i drive down the external rotation the driver lie angle becomes steep like you Sam are at address. Wonder if i should set up with a steep angle. Back in the 90s early 2000's I remember and I think it was Sean Fister who preached setting up with a steeper lie angle at set up. Some say its harder to stay in a position than move into position. What does it do for you Sam?
I think it is really dependent on the person. Some really struggle with staying in the same position while others don't. Natural movement is great when you are free-flowing. Can increase speed and accuracy. So forcing to stay in the same position can hinder those. BUT, I am a fan of changing setup to help your impact position. So 50/50.
Does it make more sense to use a thought of putting trail palm to ground for internal rotation on the way back and trail palm to sky on way down. OR Making the internal to external movement with the trail elbow. What are your thoughts to get into internal then external?
Yes and no. That absolutely does put your arms into the correct positions as you described. The alternative piece to that is what it is doing to your club face. Which is going to have to do with grip, release pattern of your wrists, and wrist position (bowed, flexed, neutral).
Sam, I’m stuck on a problem - where in the swing do you start to purposely slow down your hands? Do you try to keep accelerating them through impact then turn off the gas when the hands are chest high? Or do you start to purposely slow them down before impact? Or keep on accelerating the hands all the way until the end of the swing?
The club head keeps accelerating and your hands stop when you snap/release all that lag you built up at the low point in your swing and for the driver that is before impact. Given that, let's see what Sam says.
@thefishnmusician9667 deceleration of the hands needs to start when the hands are at the trail hip, so there is time for the hand speed to travel down the shaft and into the clubhead just prior to impact. So, to summarize, "flipping" (releasing) the hands (ulnar/radial deviation or supination/pronation... depending on the way you grip the club) needs to happen earlier than you think or you'll be dragging the club through impact rather than letting the shaft kick that extra speed into the ball. You can use the Swing Speed Radar and block it off so it can't see before or after the club passes by it to fine tune where your highest speed is. It needs to be just prior or at the point at which you would have the ball in your stance with driver... just prior to impact or exactly at impact. 👍💪💯🔥
Thank you for the replies, yes when they measure Pro's hand speed, it peaks near their right hip in the downswing, like 11-19 inches before impact. However, my question is what is the FEEL for this? Should we even try to make that deceleration happen or does that happen naturally in how the body works and gravity, and therefor we should ignore this information and keep the hands accelerating to a point sometime after impact? I'd love to hear from Sam too?
@@dj-flights7376 you have to make it happen... the feel is when your hands are at your trail hip during the down swing. I completely understand the question. I had that exact same question prior to getting it answered and getting a significant speed boost - simply by starting that release earlier.
The feel you are looking for is NOT a slowing down of the hands. While yes the hands do slow down, MOST people experience deceleration when focusing on slowing the hands. Slowing of the hands is a byproduct of your wrists breaking to release lag. At your right hip (as mentioned above by TJ) that is when you start the release (peak speed of hands). At this point in your downswing, force the club head to catch up/accelerate past your hands. This requires your wrists to break which depending on your grip is that ulnar/radial deviation or flexion/extension of the wrist. Emphasize that breaking of the wrists which will release lag harder, let the club head catch up, and inevitably slow down your hands at impact.
Should I get a Trackman 4 or a Flightscope X3? I already have a Flightscope Mevo+ and GC3 but I want something more powerful for outdoor use. I’m also doing swing speed training and have gotten up to 146mph before.
Awesome speed! For outdoor use, nothing really beats Trackman imo. Not a big fan of it inside and not a big fan of it for club speed training purposes as it is more inconsistent than something like the GCQuad. If price is not an issue, go Trackman for outdoor use.
We use have used the X3 in WLD events. The data is fine for the most part. Definitely gets wackier as speed increases. It is a step down from Trackman's outdoor readings. More club head speed misreads. More spin misreads. Not as accurate distance readings. All in my opinion. Trackman is definitely better than the X3 but the X3 for sure works. You may just get more bad reads. As you can with virtually any machine. Quad misreads spin. Trackman misreads club speed. Every machine has its pros and cons.
I will be working on this like no tomorrow. Thank you!! I have around 110-115 mph with external to external. I'm all over the place with consistency. There's days i pound it then days i feel weak and the ball is going everywhere. Fast enough but no real whip. I can't wait to put this in motion!
Not just coaches, Bryson Dechambeau also says to setup externally as well. So there is a way to get power but I guess it’s best left up to the pros because I tried it and as you said I swung over the top. Gonna try this way out 👍
I love the free flowing trail arm for the vast majority of people. Let it be natural then get it going external on the way down!
Took the external rotation to the course and 2 things happened 1) I hit a 319 yard drive. 2) hit a 270 however uphill fairway and against the wind. I bet if I hit that same shot on the other hole it would have cracked 319.
Out of all the tips this one yielded the biggest results!
I did fall out of my swing and recovered when I made sure my lead shoulder was going up and back to avoid closing the face with a bad hook. One thing I don't think of my lower body , it seems to do what it needs to do as a by product of the lead shoulder turn.
Omg sooo right!👍🏻 I find that even the feeling of overdoing ‘internal’ the whole swing works well because under speed and momentum external sorta just happens if you’re moving how your body wants to naturally.
I suppose the natural follow-up to this video would be a deep dive into lead arm mechanics.😬
I think we can make that happen.
Thank you for the great explanation and answering my question. In conclusion a flying elbow is a good thing no matter what all the cookie cutter swing coaches tell you. Jack back in the day when a 1 wood was wood could hit it a mile and his elbow was a flyin'.
My swing thought on the way down is to externally rotate by turning the pit of my arm (opposite side of my elbow) to the position the coaches wanted at address on the downswing and internally on the backswing. I have to take it to the range
High hands = bigger arc = more speed. Can't have a big arc without that high flying elbow. When hitting wood clubs, you better have a MASSIVE arc to generate some distance. No better example than Jack.
Great video as always!! Big fan 😅😅
I have a question, i always struggle to hit my driver off the center, and tend to hit the tee most of the time - leading to shots high on the face most of the time. I struggle to hit it in the center unless i tee my ball super low which makes me create a weak fade with no speed.. Could there be a reason for this?
I’m no golf pro but sounds like you’re hitting down on the ball too much. I’m the opposite, I hit mine too low because I swing up too much on it and it hits on the bottom of the face. Sometimes I top it. You playing the ball off your lead heel?
I actually just finished recording a series coming out in the next few weeks where I quickly discuss the main reasons you hit it high on the face, low on the face, off the toe, or off the heal. Your answer will certainly be in there! So stay tuned!
One thing I did notice is when i drive down the external rotation the driver lie angle becomes steep like you Sam are at address. Wonder if i should set up with a steep angle. Back in the 90s early 2000's I remember and I think it was Sean Fister who preached setting up with a steeper lie angle at set up. Some say its harder to stay in a position than move into position. What does it do for you Sam?
I think it is really dependent on the person. Some really struggle with staying in the same position while others don't. Natural movement is great when you are free-flowing. Can increase speed and accuracy. So forcing to stay in the same position can hinder those. BUT, I am a fan of changing setup to help your impact position. So 50/50.
Does it make more sense to use a thought of putting trail palm to ground for internal rotation on the way back and trail palm to sky on way down. OR
Making the internal to external movement with the trail elbow. What are your thoughts to get into internal then external?
Yes and no. That absolutely does put your arms into the correct positions as you described. The alternative piece to that is what it is doing to your club face. Which is going to have to do with grip, release pattern of your wrists, and wrist position (bowed, flexed, neutral).
Sam, I’m stuck on a problem - where in the swing do you start to purposely slow down your hands? Do you try to keep accelerating them through impact then turn off the gas when the hands are chest high? Or do you start to purposely slow them down before impact? Or keep on accelerating the hands all the way until the end of the swing?
The club head keeps accelerating and your hands stop when you snap/release all that lag you built up at the low point in your swing and for the driver that is before impact. Given that, let's see what Sam says.
@thefishnmusician9667 deceleration of the hands needs to start when the hands are at the trail hip, so there is time for the hand speed to travel down the shaft and into the clubhead just prior to impact. So, to summarize, "flipping" (releasing) the hands (ulnar/radial deviation or supination/pronation... depending on the way you grip the club) needs to happen earlier than you think or you'll be dragging the club through impact rather than letting the shaft kick that extra speed into the ball. You can use the Swing Speed Radar and block it off so it can't see before or after the club passes by it to fine tune where your highest speed is. It needs to be just prior or at the point at which you would have the ball in your stance with driver... just prior to impact or exactly at impact. 👍💪💯🔥
Thank you for the replies, yes when they measure Pro's hand speed, it peaks near their right hip in the downswing, like 11-19 inches before impact. However, my question is what is the FEEL for this? Should we even try to make that deceleration happen or does that happen naturally in how the body works and gravity, and therefor we should ignore this information and keep the hands accelerating to a point sometime after impact? I'd love to hear from Sam too?
@@dj-flights7376 you have to make it happen... the feel is when your hands are at your trail hip during the down swing. I completely understand the question. I had that exact same question prior to getting it answered and getting a significant speed boost - simply by starting that release earlier.
The feel you are looking for is NOT a slowing down of the hands. While yes the hands do slow down, MOST people experience deceleration when focusing on slowing the hands. Slowing of the hands is a byproduct of your wrists breaking to release lag. At your right hip (as mentioned above by TJ) that is when you start the release (peak speed of hands). At this point in your downswing, force the club head to catch up/accelerate past your hands. This requires your wrists to break which depending on your grip is that ulnar/radial deviation or flexion/extension of the wrist. Emphasize that breaking of the wrists which will release lag harder, let the club head catch up, and inevitably slow down your hands at impact.
Should I get a Trackman 4 or a Flightscope X3? I already have a Flightscope Mevo+ and GC3 but I want something more powerful for outdoor use. I’m also doing swing speed training and have gotten up to 146mph before.
Impressive speed. How old were you when you hit 146mph?
@@thefishnmusician9667 late 20s
Awesome speed! For outdoor use, nothing really beats Trackman imo. Not a big fan of it inside and not a big fan of it for club speed training purposes as it is more inconsistent than something like the GCQuad. If price is not an issue, go Trackman for outdoor use.
@@SamAttanasio What results have you had with e Flightscope X3?
We use have used the X3 in WLD events. The data is fine for the most part. Definitely gets wackier as speed increases. It is a step down from Trackman's outdoor readings. More club head speed misreads. More spin misreads. Not as accurate distance readings. All in my opinion. Trackman is definitely better than the X3 but the X3 for sure works. You may just get more bad reads. As you can with virtually any machine. Quad misreads spin. Trackman misreads club speed. Every machine has its pros and cons.