When Hidden Narcissist Takes Over: Narcissistic Tunneling ("Empaths", Coverts, Somatic, Cerebral)
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Dominant and recessive types, but no type constancy.
The recessive type and its traits manifests obliquely (hidden text) via narcissistic tunneling. It crosses the dominant type barrier, disguised.
Examples, Private cases of a larger phenomenon which I dubbed "narcissistic tunneling":
Some covert narcissists are people pleasers. RUclipsrs who are self-styled moral crusaders, heroes, rescuers, savers.
Other covert narcissists are perennial and competitive victims, never do wrong - always wronged. Empaths. RUclipsrs who self-identify as victims and codependents.
RUclipsrs who out as narcissists but claim to be “healing”, “recovering”, or to be “in treatment” (manipulative codependency, control from the bottom).
Cerebral would enjoy food or have a somatoform disorder or an eating disorder or would masturbate compulsively
Somatic would philosophize about and create an ideology around his sexual conquests, dating, gender issues, relationships, martial arts, body building, exercise, become a health nut or an amateur MD, therapist.
Covert will volunteer on high visibility projects or campaigns, initiate personal heroic morality crusades, join narcissistic institutions or collectives
Overt will act shy or insecure, passive-aggressive, pseudo-humble in certain situations and is always envious.
LITERATURE
Kajdzik, M., & Moroń, M. (2023). Signaling High Sensitivity to Influence Others: Initial Evidence for the Roles of Reinforcement Sensitivity, Sensory Processing Sensitivity, and the Dark Triad. Psychological Reports, 0(0). doi.org/10.117...
Study suggests ‘high sensitivity’ label is used by narcissists and psychopaths as a manipulative tactic
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Yes as a sensitive person myself I realised that its a trauma response, its about control, it's also crossing other peoples energetic boundaries in order to mould myself to be seen as harmless, detect threats etc. When it is pathogenic it can be self destructive. It also disempowers the people around me if not kept in check. Without the sensitivity there is no feeling at all in alot of situations (feels psychopathic). I was raised by a borderline/adhd/narcisstic mother. I also present with ADD. My step father abused me in every way for many years. He was a Dr Jeckyll and Mr Hyde type. I've been going for all types of therapy for years and yes I'm into healing modalities and being the best version of myself but make no mistake I know there are things about me hidden to myself. I'm a hypocrite. I just don't want to be like them...I have come a long long way.
your whole comment reads like something a narcissist would write, the fact you needed to show everyone how abused you were is quite evident that the "healing" process doesn't seem to work, you still need that self gratification from people liking your comment to prove to yourself that you have an important place among others and feel empowered, you're still covertly signalling to maintain a semblance of control, maybe try to focus on why you felt the need to tell this sob story (i believe you when you said all this by the way, but its still a sob story) because if you were in fact healing you wouldn't feel the need to perform this theatric display of victimhood and go into all this detail about having ADD and all that, just a making a blunt observation.
i say this because given the premise of your question related to trauma responses, you could have written that you were abused but the thing that sparked my comment were all the extra embellishments to give a more colorful story of the abuse and to signal what a victim you are (of course you are a victim, but engaging in these tactics only reinforces your narcissistic self delusions).
@@berk9733 I identified a narcissistic behaviour in myself presented as sensitivity because I wanted other so called empaths to hopefully notice this sham and do the work. It wasnt a sob story.. I was abused fact, it created pathogenic behaviour fact. I realised it and moved on. Im okay with however you want to taint what I shared as if you personally know me. Have a nice day Berk9733
@@berk9733 I aslo didnt request for any one to like my comment, I just wrote it.
@@berk9733 I get it, you are probably a sensitve person whose recovering from narcissistic abuse, why else would you be here, projecting... anyways I hope you recover from whoever hurt you x
Another sleepless night, it’s 3:00am here in Melbourne and here I am listening to your voice Sam Vaknin 😌
Sabah Alkheer
I'm so glad to hear this, I had a hard time determining which type he was because he is more than one type, depending on the audience/situation
Excellent Dr. Vaknin. You always help to understand these types. Your extremely insightful and brilliant views on the switching of the narcissist depending on environment and triggers is very helpful indeed. Mahalo Thank you very much.
After watching this video, I have to pose the question, who among us is normal? What is normal? I see attributes of what Sam is talking about in most of the people I know. What does this say? What does this mean? I would very much love to hear a video concerning what is a normal functioning human being. I am questioning how many are left in the world.
This is a question I have been pondering for some time. If the whole society were psychopaths, wouldn't that be the norm then? So, how do we objectively say what is normal and what is abnormal/pathological? I have some ideas, but I am still unsure. Have you thought about this? Care to have a discussion?
@@H.Hardrada Yes, I think about this quite a bit. Currently, my thoughts align with developing ways to think in a radically different way than I normally do. It is an enormous shift. Yes, I would enjoy discussing further.
@@ek9348 I agree, we are extremely complicated beings. It begs the question how much are we capable of changing within a lifetime?
Wonderful! I will be out for the day, but please fill me in on your position. Be as verbose as you like (I don't mind reading), and I will get back to you. Cheers,
@@H.Hardrada I will be tied up most of the day as well, but I look forward to a discussion concerning this topic as we both get time.
😂😂😂 Thanks for your humor! As well as your great videos. Buenos dias!
Hehe, Proffessor, you wished us a good morning in my language: Dober dan! 😀 What a nice surprise.
Love your videos! They are all so informative and deep, thank you for spending your time to help others who need it.
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I feel like we are all screwed. 😂
🤔🧠⚙️⚙️⚙️🤷🏼♀️🤪 Gonna have to watch this video again
Dear Sam, all your lectures are very interesting, insightful, helpful and I watch them daily. In some cases you mention (highly) gifted people (and I know you are one of them). I hope you can dedicate a video to this in relation to the various PD's, as it has many interfaces, I have learned. Therefore, I would love to hear you talk about this subject. (Pls don't say search the channel... cause I did😅).
With love, from a highly gifted fan with some specific traits❤
Highly gifted fans search the channel first.
Very intriguing content. I do pay attention to some of the behaviors he elaborates on. Some of them I have problems with some of them i don't no more. But overall, I also recall awareness and accountability during those time. This level of knowledge he has, is proof of how extreme behaviors have to be in a narracistic person. Just by being aware of yourself, the probability of serverly trespasing against others is not likely to happen
New term Sam! What the heck is narcissistic tunneling. I suspect this is timely to my present situation.
Thank you,!
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Sbah lkheir Dr from Morocco!
Dear Prof. Sam Vaknin
Am I right to assume that it's human to have some form of narcissism in yourself?
What is the polar opposite to narcissism? Selfawareness?
Have the described narcissist's lost their inner balance to be selfaware, falling into a delusional state?
I have no formal training in psychology, but I selfreflect on my behavior thanks to your videos.
Search the channel.
What's sad is that not one narcissist won't ever "need to watch these videos" because they aren't narcissist. We are the problem, not them. And how dare I suggest therapy.
Добро јутро, драги професоре! 🤗
Great knowledge and sophisticated humor.
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Thank you for this channel, Mr Vaknin! I have recently read Kierkegaard’s “Seducer’s diary”. What kind of disorder do you think was described in this book? A narcissist or a psychopath?
Bonjour monsieur : au regard de ces informations , que peut-on déduire concernant les tests psychologiques destinés à mesurer le narcissisme (comme le tests de la triade noire, par exemple) ? Sont ils efficaces ? Leurs résultats mettent en évidence la partie que vous identifiez comme "dominante"? en ignorant l'autre ? J'espère avoir été claire et je vous remercie de préciser ce point. De même si vous avez des informations ou des études concernants la validité des ces tests, cela m'intéresse.
I hold a very dim view of psychological tests which rely on self-reporting. Search the channel.
merci, je vais chercher ces vidéos@@samvaknin
Grand rising😂
Is that not a trait common to everybody, to have latent sides that seem to be opposite to our main personality?
No.
Thank you
They executed a fair bit of mine... I feel your sentiment :D
Do you believe social prejudices can make people become narcissistic or develop narccistic tendencies or "Narcissistic mirroring"?
Yes. It is a form of peer rejection.
@samvaknin Makes complete sense. Do you believe that based on your studies this could be a nation wide phenomenon? Depending on the nation, of course.
@samvaknin Also thank you for your response 🙏🏾 😊
So do you believe there is no possibility of a narcissist healing their petsonality disorder through therapy?
Watch the therapies playlist.
@@samvaknin Thank you. Your cold therapy techniques sound very practical and interesting. Are there therapists in North America using the cold therapy modality, I wonder? I hope so, as NDP seems to be unfortunately prevalent here.
Can I raise a child with a malignant narcissist? If yes how? I ask because I'm stuck in a one-way street and can't see a way out.
Search the channel.
Great thumbnail.
I have noticed, and wondered if there were two types of sensitive people. I noticed there are people that have come to understand that they are paying way more attention to everything that is going on around them, they keep it to themselves and try to work with that within themselves and within their capacity to avoid burnout. Then are are sensitive individuals, that in an extreme example, announce their sensitivity in way that makes them very special and then use it as leverage to manipulate the behavior and language with everyone around them without shame and impunity. Is one playing opossum, or both? I’ll probably never know.
Part of this talk also reminds me of countless times I’m seen shy, unconfident victim types get a series of successes and overnight become a completely different person, belligerent, entitled and ignorantly arrogant the following day or weekend. Almost unrecognizable. Where I see the change and think in panic, omg, I’m working with a crazy person.
Is there something like Latent Narcissism? Something similarly like previously was called latent homosexuality? Latent homosexual makes innuendo homo jokes. Latent Narcissist tunnels his Narcissistic urges and needs. Perhaps it's something similar to covert narc that's not self aware, and by social habits tries to be normal.
What's the difference between a somatic type and someone who is just really, REALLY into fitness and health? Is the difference all about balance in other areas of life? Seems like it could go either way, if you just look at it on the surface many times.
Search the channel for “somatic”.
@@samvaknin You did say you've been doing this since the 90's...should havefigured
Dobar dan!! 😊
Dobro jutro Sam..
Hello professor Vaknin.I live in France and i suscribe to three youtube channels that talk about narcissistics perverts.the people who run these channels all claim to be high-potantials or empaths.But they all have a skyzoide and narcissictics profile.Professor Vaknin why does a skyzoide person really need to figth narcissictics ? thank you for your vidéo and for your answer.take good care of yourself
No schizoid would go online and have a RUclips channel. These are covert narcissists. Btw, the term "pervert narcissist' is French nonsense. It has no clinical validity. It is like "emapth". Nonsense.
Sabah alnour :)
Sam le Téméraire !
Please don't make your videos short.
00:14 🤣🤣
11:13 Covert narcissist