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I'm Done With The Racing Game "Community"
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- I honestly never thought things would get to this point. The past few months have been a real eye-opener in regard to directing the future of this channel. Both with general realizations within the racing game fandom and unfortunately a personal attack which was directed at me. It is time to take a whole new approach to content as a whole starting next month. I know this won't be for everyone, but it's a necessary step in my own personal development and growth as a content creator. Thank you so much for everything, and I hope to see as many of you all in the future.
Chapters:
0:00 My issues with the community
5:13 The recent drama and the future of this channel
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tbf, I wouldn't want to be in the same community as Th*o either
@@ultraviolet_channel That's a fact after his trash ass take on NFS Hot Pursuit I was SO done. This guy is one of the main reasons why NFS is the way it is right now. Unbound was made to cater to clowns like him unfortunately. I totally understand leaving the community bro, I did too. Racing games used to be my favorite genre but seeing what it was become and the bleak future(I have no faith in the Forza Reboot and consider Test Drive 3 the last shot at least AAA games wise).The community thinks NFSMW is the God of Gods, that NFS without customization is pointless, that the Black Box era of games is NFS. As much as I love and appreciate those childhood games... That's a variation of NFS identity it's true identity was the games up all the way to NFS Hot Pursuit 2 and especially NFS 2 SE(which is why I love HP so much and why it's my favorite). NFS needs to return to that classic 90's formula of what made it great back then the open tracks with scenery, the cars, the music, the presentation, the cops, etc. Sorry for the long rant but I'm just a big fan of racing games man from the low budgets(L.A Rush, Ford Racing 3, and DT Racer) to the big games(NFS, Midnight Club, Motorstorm, Burnout), and the underappreciated(Blur, Driveclub, Driver SF, Split Second) and to see my childhood genre go out like this it breaks my heart. I completely understand leaving the toxic ass community and sticking to indies or the classics, wish the best of luck good sir! :)
fr i dont want people to think about th*o when i say that im part of the racing game community
the man is so toxic
@@danwright2278 He is getting worse without knowing it, its always the same
Black Panther?
Hey Moses! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I've felt a distant sense of Deja vu with this video.
Believe it or not, every point you brought up in your video was already true several years ago. When I fully kicked in gear to create English content centered around racing games myself, I hit the same brick wall at around 2017. New games were disappointing, community was too vocal for its own good, and in general it felt like nothing I uploaded mattered. So I explored other venues of content - vlogging, variety streaming, essays, you name it. At the end of the day however, after many years, I somehow managed to circle back to racing game content.
Why is that? It's hard to explain. What I know for sure is that my approach to creating racing game content changed drastically. Instead of making analysis and news related videos with a critical eye, I'm now just engaging with the fun aspect of my favorite games. And if a new game doesn't captivate me, I'm simply not creating content on it. My general approach nowadays is - hey, I love this game, how can I present it in the most fun way possible?
We both create completely different kinds of videos, but maybe you can carry that approach into your future content as well. From the final few lines in your video it sounds like you do. Either way I'm wishing you the best with the future of the channel. 💛
How Are You Not Verified
eden have hug 🤗
How do I block you so you don't show on my RUclips in comments section nor in Recommended, because I don't want to see or listen to your smug cunt face on my RUclips?
"Too vocal for its own good". You hit the nail in the head, and it's a critical hit.
@@TheRealEncy he is a great youtuber but he’s not verified because he’s not gotten 100k subs yet or even 50k though we are getting close. Hopefully soon he does
It sucks to see you retiring from the racing game community as you're one of the few that keeps it real and doesn't jump on the hype train everytime a new game comes out, but I understand your reasons completely. I'm looking forward to your video game essays.
Apparently you haven't seen his early reviews on horizon 5
@@heybos4640 Your comment proves his point exactly. People's opinion change over time.
That point about NFS fans rejecting stage selection and no tuning is really funny to me. I just picked up Hot Pursuit on the Switch and it was such a breath of fresh air compared to modern racers that I instantly fell in love.
Playerbase: We want something new and interesting!!!
Devs: Ok we gotchu 👌
Makes a game that is new and interesting*
Playerbase: What the hell is this? Its too different!!!
Devs: Ok fine we will make the next game like the old one.
And the cycle repeats, Well until the devs decide to stop listening to their players.
You didn't quit the racing game community. The racing game community quit us all.
Well said.
damn
What is sad that not just the racing game community is insanely toxic, it's the whole car community also if someone doesn't like a car category, they're getting dissed and this is not a great example for someone who want to get into this community, also the problem is that some cars are just being overhyped (Supra) by people who don't even knows how a car work.
This things are not reflecting any good light on the car community and also on the racing game community.
Thank you for speaking about this, it's a problem that gets forgotten or glanced over. The circlejerk and the nostalgia have blinded the racing community for way too long, I used to be a part of the racing community (I went by a different name then, I've since rebranded myself on the internet) but I slowly started to see that it's become more toxic and the amount of people who say "we want remastered!" has tired me. I transitioned into different communities because of these two reasons alone.
I may end up doing the same
This constant nostalgia cockriding and refusal to listen to people's point of view is only half of the genre's total creative bankruptcy, just like with other genres and franchises within the AAA space, the arcade racing genre has been through a severe lack of innovation ever since the late days of the 7th generation of console gaming.
@FSKULL1995 Cant agree with u more, i do find the independent developers are making the AAA panic with their more fresher ideas which is needed more then ever
I started hating Most Wanted for that reason. The game is so milked and overrated, is getting disgusting. And if you say anything wrong about it, people will insult you and making you feel destroyed just for having a different opinion.
Why wouldn't they want those games remastered? Are they available to purchase on modern consoles? The only way to experience them today is to pirate them on PC, asking for a remaster is perfectly reasonable
Hey Moses, I think your opinions definitely how a lot of us in the racing community feel deep down inside, especially nowadays. The racing game community is incredibly divided and super vocal about it. Sim racers don’t like arcade racers, arcade racers don’t like sim racers, and simcades are kinda stuck in the middle. Since there have really only been one or two mainstream games for those three categories, they play it safe with what works best and makes the most money. It’s sad because there’s so little for experimentation since it’ll probably be vocally shunned for not fitting in (ironically from a community begging for more unique games). It’s probably why we don’t have games like Blur or the Driver Series anymore.
I've been feeling the same way lately.
I've recently realized that the toxicity was starting to affect my enjoyment of games. I too was starting to belive that games like Horizon 5 were mediocre but then I remembered I had grown up playing games of worse quality and thoroughly enjoying them. And the reason I did was because I wasn't on the internet that much and didn't, day after day, expose myself to people screeching that those games were trash and to never touch them. I enjoyed games like Most Wanted 2012 since launch because I played it for myself first before finding out about it's overwhelmingly negative reception. The opposite is the true for Midnight Club: Los Angeles, no praise for that game is gonna make me want to play that ever again.
I won't be stepping away from the racing genre in the slightest, it's literally the only genre of video game I even play, but definitely gonna try to minimize as much contact with the racing community as much as possible. Only going in for news of upcoming games/updates for games I already have and nothing beyond that.
I need to relearn to base the quality of racing games based on what **I** want, not what a bunch of strangers on the internet want.
Wholeheartedly agree. We shouldn’t let the internet sway our opinions on what we’re naturally into. As long as you enjoy it, that’s all that matters.
Oh, a Most Wanted 2012 enjoyer.
Here you have another one :)
@@zacariascisneros6399Same here. Been playing again when I found out there were a few cars that I didn’t fully upgrade yet. One of the best arcade driving games of all time in my book
@@SynthAir It's a really good game.
Probably not the best Need for Speed, but a really enjoyable game.
Good cars, physics, map, music (especially music)
@@zacariascisneros6399 MW12 had AMAZING MUSIC CARLIST AND CITY- Exotics and Suvs, Bentley, Lancia Delta Integrale and MARUSSIA B2, that car by a company that got bankrupt after a bad deal, oh and it had ICONA POP I LOVE IT, blossom trees in Fairhaven...
So sorry you had to deal with someone like that, cannot believe someone would take time out of their day to do something so destructive to someone they don’t even know. Glad you and your family are alright, and good luck in your future ventures man. Was a big fan of your work
Thank you so much!
I absolutely fell in love with your channel since the moment I came upon it, and I will be sticking by whatever the genre is. I think this is a step in the right direction for the overall performance of your channel, and I wish you all the luck!
Same, been here since he dropped his FH1 video and stayed since, I can’t wait for his new type of videos
Amen
What the Racing Community might want is something like Test Drive Unlimited, and an idea I've got is basically Stuntman but bigger. Being the Stunt Driver following a Director, and then you become the Director and get to fulfil movie ideas through customization. Smaller highways with extra tracks would be Open Levels. Sponsorships could be ways of getting certain brands to focus on and in a manner celebrate through their cars. It might help if every sound and action is made as dramatic as possible with realism avoided entirely for the sake of a driving fantasy, which I think is what Most Wanted '05 was doing. Regardless of my own ideas though, have fun making long detailed Video Essays about your favorite games whatever their genre might be~
it's actually a good idea
The genre can't really evolve anymore, i also think people are just hella blinded by nostalgia and are repulsed by changes.
Any open world game is a snooze fest because ALL games are open world nowadays. GTA kinda killed good games lmao. Forza Horizon tried to do the TDU kinda thing and it started wearing out by the 3rd game. Colin McRae Dirt series was always the same game improved, then Codemasters tried to go with the modern X Games route, then Gymkhana and DiRT3 was HATED when it came out. Same with NFS Pro Street despite it being way less cringy than the previous ones.
I only know 3 car racing games that have a loving, wholesome playerbase that doesn't get bored of the game: NR2003, Asseto Corsa and BeamNG.drive. NR2003 can handle non-oval racing series. Assetto Corsa is complicated to create content, wayyyy harder than NR2003 but its good that it supports custom game modes, makes servers unique and interesting, and BeamNG is just gold, it literally has EVERYTHING.
@@LorikQuinn It can evolve, it's only a matter of time. I think a lot of the community uphold too high expectations when modern racing games look and feel better than their predecessors due to improvements in technology. Some of them are too stuck in nostalgia while some of us just play these games (old/new) to unwind and relax in an open world. We don't mind purchasing multiple instead of fanboying over one. Set your expectation low and have fun and if you still don't fancy the game don't bother purchasing it. GTA didn't kill nothing because the racing games/community is entirely different than whatever is going on there, not even comparable. Plus, racing games usually hold the title for best graphics and photorealism no genre has them matched in that aspect.
There’s an upcoming THQ game called Wreckreation that I haven’t heard a ton of buzz about but really looks to tick some of the boxes you’re bringing up here. It’s an open world sandbox style focused heavily on track building, terraforming and lots of crashes and stunts. AFAIK there’s no release date announced yet but there’s a page on Steam for it and a few trailers.
Now of course it could end up in development hell or be broken on launch, and there’s always questions about how it’ll be supported, monetized, etc, but I do think if anyone could bring some fresh air to the genre it’s THQ. It’s worth a google at least, and I’m really hoping THQ takes their time, treats devs well and drops a quality game on us.
Quick addendum, I genuinely wasn’t aware of the negative reception Wreckreation has received so far in announcements and conferences. Could be turned around of course but I understand why no one in the comments brought it up before.
To have some imbecile do what they did to you, somebody who creates quality analyses with valid thought and opinion, is staggering. It saddens me to think that idiots would go to such great lengths of ill will just because they disagree with subjective proposals.
Luckily I'm a fan of in-depth video essays myself so I'll be staying regardless Mos., I haven't been the longest fan here by far, but your understated and underrated racing game videos definitely shed light on the monotony of the genre, and I thank you for that! Shall be eagerly waiting for what's to come in the future 🖤
I knew communities (specifically the racing side of things) could get really heated but never to the point where I’d expect a youtuber to be doxed. I’m all in for the change, it’s better to review the games that we care about, the ones we genuinely think are special.
I can’t wait for these changes. It was surely a hard decision, but I’m glad you’re shifting to something that will give you and serp creative liberties and more freedom to make content about the things you guys love. I’m proud of were you’ve gotten, but sometimes change is necessary, as everything is a learning experience. In the end, most of us stayed here for you as a person, and personally I will always support the channel, no matter the changes it may go through. As always, wish you the best of luck man. 🤝
Thank you my beautiful Mexican brother *kiss*
as much as we all want change, it’s not going to happen. the same people are going to stay toxic is one thing for sure cause they’re all assholes, and two, the games are all based off of the last same shit if you dig into it deeper.
All the racing games situation is tough nowadays, as like you said, the biggest problem for a game franchise is it's own community.
If developers try doing something different, It automatically gets hate from it's own buyers, so no more innovation and gets saturated.
However I really love this channel not for the games you talk about in your vídeos, but for you as a content creator.
I'll continue here watching your channel, and I would like to wish all the best for this new era!!!
Yep. Spot on.
Making something different doesn't mean it'll be good. Unbound used that weird animation style for characters, yeah its new and all, but it looks cheesy and doesn't fit, nor does it have any depth. It's just there because devs wanted something new. On the other side there is Wreckfest, complete opposite of all these shiny and clean franchises like Forza and NFS, and it's extremely successful, even android port was made. It's not about Racing game community as a whole, more about NFS/Forza/GT communities and sim racing fans that are very toxic.
I do agree with you in the making something differen aspect but different for the sake of being different isnt a good thing. Also if you are going to try something differeny you need to respect the spirit of the series which a lot of franchises are failing to do
@@jackbates2223 Bingo! Respecting the series meaning the names of the hottest Hot Pursuit, Underground, Most Wanted and Prostreet which is underrated with some features I think its a how you change it differently without losing it what you got there.
@@jackbates2223 yes, for sure, but It depends from which game franchise.
For example, when Call Of Duty did several futuristic games, a lot of people disliked the gameplay aspects, but it isn't so far from previous titles in general. Another example is when Ubisoft turned Ghost Recon (a tactial shooter) in a literall RPG game, that ruined the franchise, being totally the opposite, and all hate the game got was reasonable.
We need to see every game in it's own context, and also a good way to do so is creating an spin-off.
Its not just racing games, its the whole damn car community in general.
Not only just racing game community it all gaming community any genre as in general
They will be more in future
Nfs Community In A Nutshell :
*"Bro This Game Suck"*
5 Years Later
*_"Nevermind New Game Suck, Old Game Good_*
Then It Repeat Itself Over And Over And Over Again.
yeah, that even applies to Undercover, 2015, and Rivals, which is mind you, the MOST hated game on its release
@@TheCapitalWanderer I'm Pretty Sure Nfs The Run And Prostreet Also Was Hated When It's Released!
The 2010 Era Review Are Really Brutal Ngl, Probally Reason Why Most Of Old Game Are Considered "Good" Because The Aundiences Expectation Before Was Just Too TOO HIGH!
this is every community, look at the cod community "bruhhhhhhh another cod? they're just reusing same idea over and over" *releases a trailer where its about futuristic soldiers for once* "bruhhhhhhhhhh futuristic stuff? this aint cod. hey guys, remember when cod was about boots on the ground? why did they have to ruin the formula? lets make this the most disliked video on all of youtube!"
@@Dododeath Remember When Before "Bad Game" Is Just People Being Picky And Not Actually Because Of Buggy, Terrible Gameplay? Good Times Am I Right?
People are even saying they like payback now 😂
This shit is aged so well, don't feel surprised if dev give up because this community or the gta community does
I'm looking forward to the future projects , best of luck for you dude!
When you said "why not the next NFS should be like Prostreet " and seeing the reactions of other people , pretty much describe the NFS Community
People say Prostreet not a NFS but a cutscene where the announcer talking about drivers leaving at the raceday to race down in tokyo already had me "Yeah this is a NFS moment"
And speaking off after Unbound being their most "street racing NFS" i won't be surprised they go on a grassroots motorsports style or even The Run from Europe to asia or something.
Sad to see the state that the racing game community is in right now, I truly hope that things will change in the future, but for now, I can understand why you and many other people have chosen to take a step away from this genre.
I look forward to see what types of games you plan on reviewing. I'd say, just go crazy. Go out and try new games, games that you have never touched before, but that you could fall in love with.
And remember, no matter what a few people say or do, you have a million times that amount of people that love and support your channel. We are all here with you throughout this journey. While I am a little sad that you are stepping away from reviewing racing games, since I think that's truly what you do best, I'll still be excited to watch different games and different types of videos. Heck, I'd even watch if you made non-gaming related content.
Best of luck in the future, peace ✌
Well, I'm kinda getting tired of NFS community somehow. I mean, as a guy with self-esteem issues that uses platforms like Discord to entertain myself, crossing with a community that knows no limits (get it? No Limits :v) at all and puts aside any level of civilization and tolerance against someone who says anything they don't like (with no intention of that at all), at the point of not simply refute but even mostly attack...
I'm feeling like doing it back as well, since I'm feeling pushed to my limits by them.
It is unfortunate seeing toxicity and drama overwhelm yet another video game community. The fact that racing games have also stagnated the way they have really doesn’t help with the burn out as well. I truly wish you all the best and can’t wait to see what you have in store for the coming months especially since I find myself really liking these long-from reviews/video essays. (even if it was a seven-hour review of death stranding lol)
a fellow Whitelight enjoyer I see
Just looking at the recent comments on this video proves how toxic the community is... How every single person has their own preference and ideals of what good racing game is. This guy wants customization and tuning while the other thinks it's unnecessary. Some people like open-world while some prefer just tracks. And almost every single idea mentioned is based on their own personal favorite games from the past.
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I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thought about this. Thanks for sharing your thoughts in this video! Hope you can get a better community as well.
It really surprise me that fans of car games could be so problematic
Glad someone has also spoken this thing out. While community led games are good, too much is not good. This is why I rarely play modern racing games. This is also why I love The Run, Rivals, ProStreet, and Split Second because those games are what the developers wanted to release and wanted us to experience.
Man i hate to keep bringing lines from RoflWaffle every time, but his take on the community is kind of a parallel line to my thoughts. The line in question would be: "if you don't like the current state of racing games, but still reinforce the status quo, then what the fuck do you really want?" To me, the community creates the weird void of opposing ideas, where revolutionary games are only praised when an entire decade has already passed, but when a new game tries to shake up even minor things, such as Unbound breaking up the (again) "status quo" of realism-obsessed artstyles, people start hating it as if everything that isn't the open-world realistic-looking and realistic-feeling customization-focused street racing happy game is just wrong. As if having ideas is wrong. And as if a game that takes few minutes to get accostumed to is wrong. "The devs are wrong, not the players" is what most people say, only to 10 or more years later, start saying that the game was oh so good and how, actually, the players were wrong for hating a humble attempt at something different. Do i really need to keep repeating myself? Or can we just remember games such as Pro Street or even the original Horizon, both wich had a set feeling, set story, and set purpose that, in a way, were different from the status-quo of their times
Racing game fans just want every game to be like Most Wanted 05
U right and I hate it
I fucking hate that game now
Gosh awful trash
@@not_kjb lol hate mw because it overshawdod ur favorite racing game is hipercritical
Bruh nfs most wanted is the most popular game in the genre and there is many reasons why people love it
@@markanderson3877
Kiddo, look, as good as the game is, the pace doesn't pick up until you reach Blacklist 10 or something. You have to recognize that your favorite game does have some flaws that hold its potential back.
Arcade racing in my opinion is from an era where arcade gaming in general was still prominent. Nowadays all the big title games are essentially interactive movies. The new racing games suck because they try to please the old heads stuck in 2005, you were right about nostalgia and how nobody wants change. It's either developers want to make changes like with Forza Horizon(For better or worse, but definitely worse) or developers want to cash in on nostalgia like with Need for Speed(And yet they still fumble the bag)
The reason why I begin to appreciate The Crew 2 is that they don't care what the community says, they just do it, and it turns out people like the game for that.
The Crew 2 is probably the only "arcade-like" game that I generally enjoy nowadays otherwise I'm sticking with simulators like Assetto Corsa or even RIDE 4 despite how difficult it is.
I went down the same path as you, dude. It's because I was facing too many difficulties in life, and it was stressful. So I had to end this chapter, and begin with a new one, one that I can actually enjoy myself in.
I loved your videos about racing games and while I will miss them, if there’s issues and problems that make you leave then so it be, no matter what anyone else says, do what you want and enjoy yourself. Thank you Moses.
I stopped playing racing games for the same reason. Felt like the same game, just slightly better graphics.
I'm tired of realism being wanted everywhere.
To be honest, there will be drama and toxicity in every video game community. I personally don't let it get to me. It's best to avoid those who cause you grief. It's totally up to you where you want to take this channel.
I love video essays. With the way you structure your videos, narration, script and editiding i think it's gonna be a perfect fit to go in this direction. I hope you find sucess and happines on the road ahead.
I'm sorry for what happened to you
My username doesn't show it but i've been a massive racing game fan all my life and i agree with pretty much all the points in this video. I personally never felt like i was "part of the racing community" or any community for that matter because i simply want to enjoy what i want in peace, i don't care much to be part of a "fandom" beyond watching content about it. I fully respect and support your decision and excited for your new direction.
I want a rally game in Skyrim
@@averagebohemian5791 we'll probably have that in TES 20
@@Senhor_Queijo The Elder Scrolls XX: Tamriel Rally Championship
Relatable. I went through the same thing around 5 years ago, when (arcade) racing games started to get extremely stale.
I wish you all the best with the future of the channel! I will certainly be watching.
Thanks for sharing!
Pretty sad for it, BUT I completely understand You. In my situation, I played a lot of NFS in my childhood, mostly in MW 2012 and Rivals (I'm 16 rn), and when I discovered social media, I wanted to share screenshots of cars in NFS. What have I got? "MW 2012 is bullshit", "go fuck yourself MW 2005 and Underground are the best games in entire world" and a lot of bullshit from old NFS fans. Let's say, they are ruining whole experience in racing games
These are the people who can’t move on and are stuck in the past. I enjoyed 2012 as a kid as well so I may as well just stay away from that part of the community, and I totally support NFS 2012 as it’s not a terrible game
@@featherpheasant3851 🤝
Nah man Mw 2005 is better I am a year older than u and mw12 should called burnout fairhaven
@@markanderson3877 Cry
@@markanderson3877 ok boomer
I totally agree with you, I myself have veered away from playing racing games, opting for shooting games or Minecraft instead.
One racing genre that doesn’t disappoint me is simracing however, as there is more innovation and change allowed there
I can’t get in to shooters without dieing quickly but fighting games are getting funnier
@@Tha-mountain They are getting hilarious indeed. Truly the funny punch of all time.
Ngl, Going Into The World Of Indie Game Is A Lot Of Fun. No Seriously I Just I Realized How Much Great Indie Game With Cool Mechanic Or Story That The Game Is Mostly Unknown To People.
Also, One Of The Places I Go If I'm Bored... Is Roblox. Why? Because People There Creating Fun Game That Aren't Just Some Cash Grab Like Tycon, Simulator, And Such. But What Is Sadder That Most Fun Game On Roblox Aren't Being Care Enough By Roblox It Self.
Hell yea at least sim racing is moving in the right direction!
Minecraft man ur seriously a child
As someone that has been into racing games since the first Gran Turismo, it's a shame that there isn't as much variety in racing game franchises as there used to be. As much as some AA and indie games have done well (Wreckfest, Circuit Superstars, Inertial Drift, etc.), it feels like most of the big names of the past 25 years have either fallen from grace in some way or have disappeared completely (F-Zero, Ridge Racer, Wipeout, Midnight Club...)
Not that I expect every modern game to be perfect, and it's important to recognise that old games weren't perfect either, but at best a lot of modern games annoy their players with monetization, substandard updates or regression of features, and at worst fail to function at all.
For me most of my enjoyment has been from playing online with friends in newer racing games, going back to/discovering old ones, or just messing around in BeamNG. I don't get involved with communities all that much anymore, which is probably for the best if your experiences are anything to go by.
This is also how I am feeling with racing games nowadays. I love playing these games a lot but it feels like everyone hates them for not being what they used to be 10+ years ago, then blames it on those who like the games for "ruining the franchise".
Then you have Theo. He complained a lot about NFS during the Criterion Era for not having customization and focused too much on Supercars instead of Tuners, then hyped up and defended the hell out of the Ghost Games era with 2015 being his favorite game and defending Payback, and Heat very heavily. With Unbound, his hate against Criterion grew stronger because they nerfed the Golf GTI. I really couldn't believe he was very upset over that...
I love Modern NFS, but I do agree that I wish they had closed tracks in the next game, because Open World Multiplayer has gotten boring, mostly because little to no one plays with you in these events.
Eh, I'm randomly speaking things but leaving the r/needforspeed subreddit was the best thing for me to do. I hate seeing the same topics over and over. Mostly the nostalgia posts and everyone ranting on the newer games. It's all a mess and I just want to enjoy my games...
True.
really, he hated Unbound partly because the Golf GTI is nerfed?
truly a bruh moment
I discovered your channel a week ago and was totally hooked by your passion for racing games and your highly detailed reviews and thoughts. Let's see where your channel is going now, but i think your decision will lead you to new hights. Good Luck :) I will stick around.
Thanks a ton!
From the very first time I watched your videos a few months ago, I knew they had one key thing in mind- and that's *passion.* That's why I subscribed. I can't wait to see the future changes to the channel and the genres of video games you'll make video essays on. Racing games or not- continue to grow and improve no matter what you face. Good luck Moses!
Man, racing games feel mid nowadays.
All racing games are the same:
Open world with customization and a story (sometimes), yadda yadda yadda. Lame shit.
Now, I like this formula, it's my favorite racing game formula of them all, but having all the big name racing games be like this is boring. I used to not like the OG NFS style when you said it but now it doesn't sound like a bad idea.
As for the community itself, I agree because all I see is people getting heated because they are stuck in 2005 saying that "MW2005 bEST NFs GAmE eVA" or "wHeRe unDergrounD 3"
Also, I rlly don't game that much but I also wanna get into different genres. I want Skate 3 and starting to think abt getting into Fortnite a lil bit. I've also been playing Minecraft a lot too.
Edit: Oh yeah, most of the big content creators like AR12 and Blackpanthaa and Camodo are so similar. They either play Forza, Asseto Corsa Hesi or BeamNG, and I like AR12 because he has skill issues, and Camodo because of his charm, I wanna see people like YBR make a return. Homie was my childhood when I was 3 in 2013, and man was goated. I miss him (he just quit RUclips).
Hope you have fun on your new journey man :)
Edit 2: Also, I still mostly play racing games, but i just don't participate in the community that much, so maybe that may help too.
I've always been partial to the Horizon series, and I think something that's been lost over the years is that progression from a slower car, winning races and seriously putting thought into the next car you were going to buy, because money didn't come easily. Now, with wheelspins and a shift towards car collecting, we've all got a garage with hundreds of cars, and there isn't as much of a connection. I'm excited for the next Forza Motorsport, but I do resonate with what you're saying in this video. You've always had a unique take on racers, and have inspired me to re-play some older games I have fond memories of. I'll support the channel regardless of where it takes you!
I was in a Facebook group for Horizon 4 and the vast majority of posts, were people whining and complaining that the races were too hard 😔 it took too long to earn credits 🥺 and it wasn't fair that some cars were rare and couldn't just be obtained the instant you realized it existed and decided you'd like one 🤔🥺
So they just put the whole horizon 5 on easy mode, and made sure to just plop cars on you faster than you can even get them pulled into the garage.
I am completely with you about Horizon. I am very annoyed by this dull car collecting. With so many cars thrown at you, you completely lose the sense of connection to the individual cars. The ballance in Horizon unfortunately got completely messed up somewhere between the third and fourth game.
This reminded me of when i bought the Reventon on Forza Horizon 1, every race,event and mission all going towards that single car i wanted one of the proudest moments i have in gaming
And now you can be 1 hour in the newer games and get the most exclusive and expensive cars on the planet
The lack of progression is what I think wear me out from even driving my favourite cars, because I didn't feel like it's anything special and I've done the exact same shit for 2 years in Horizon 4. It's also probably why I only drive cars with my own liveries on these days, because it's the only way to feel that sense of "I worked my ass off for that" that makes a car feel special. And even then I'm still questioning whether it's worth it, because GT players, and I believe even professional livery creators, don't spend 15 hours recreating the sponsor logos with primitive shapes before working on the actual livery.
So, how's the Forza Motorsport experience bro?
I’m glad you are able to put it in words. For the last almost 5 years I’ve felt quite similar. The spark that kept us playing these games isn’t there anymore
Seeing this video after raycevick's video about the poor state of the racing game industry makes me wonder
Is it that the world is gaslighting me just for liking racing, cars and videogames in general or people are really that awful nowadays because of their anonymous layer and facade?
Thoughts like this makes me wanna shrivel into the point of inexistence
gaslighting is a biatch, i know.
I just subbed yesterday 😭, I'll follow you any path you follow, so no worries
I'm a guy that has been cursed and regrettlessly banned from the nfs community only for my characterism. This should say everything
It appears that the racing game communities are being run by minors. You can barely find an adult you want to have a conversation with about automotives and racing games.
Which is why I separated myself from these little sh*ts and announced my retirement.
@@KemonoGamer75 bro I understant you more than you belive. Those shitheads are more childish than a child nowadays
@@gl1tch133 Well said. However, i do not want to give up on racing. I'm going to FiveM where i can continue my racing. I gotta hope not to see minors in FiveM since GTA is an 18+ video game.
@@KemonoGamer75 well and for me
I'm a lonely wolf going throught some racing games with mods
Its good to see that your doing what feels best for you. Keep perusing your future plans and videos. We will support you no matter what. Me not being active or caring about the community and just being by myself. It has been very lackluster over these few years. I love to racing games and the photography aspect in them. Hoping that the new TDU will revive this scene in the slightest amount. Much love and good luck!
i never got into the racing community, but i love you’re channel and i will definitely stay around to watch you bloom :)
take care of yourself
Thanks Moses, not only you are taking these topics very seriously, on a personal and professional manner, but you're also using this opportunity to make better videos, and we are all here for it
I really understand your point. I also barely play Racing Games anymore, because I got bored of them nowadays really quick. I moved to new Genres that are more fun and not this toxic like Story Games or Big Sandbox Games. I will continue watch your Channel anyway, because these long style videos about Games are the best thing I have ever watched, because I really like to get an In Depth look of Games. Anyways, thanks for the awesome content so far and don't worry, you are not the only one that make a break with a specified Genre. Playing Games and making Videos should be fun and that is why sticking to only one Genre is sometimes more a limitation than fun.
Keep it up!
I still hope you’ll do longer video essays on the older racing games - the TDU2 one was so good it made me buy and replay it :D
Fully support your decision to branch out to other genres.
That’s a bummer. I love your videos about racing games, so many of which I haven’t even seen before. But I’ll be sticking around for whatever you try next
this video hits every nail on the head. the toxicity of the community and the passionless, lackluster releases over the years make it pretty hard to continue making content in this space. came to the same realization as you just over a year ago. best of luck with your channel man
Thanks for sharing!
People hated underground when it came out
why is your profile picture a screenshot of the entire google image page
@@ultraviolet_channel what are you even talking about?
Hated is a strong word here but yeah, it's funny how negative comments about changing the game aesthetic were completely forgotten years after.
Can’t believe it but im glad that you’re talking about games that deserve to be talked about also because of that Persona 5 video i got into Persona if not for that video thank you and good luck Moses 👍
I was harassed by some damn Twitter user today. They harassed me by saying that my comment on the Ridge Racer video was crying like a child. I just wanted to tell you the truth. But people ridiculed me because they didn't like my comments. It's okay to criticize someone because you don't like their opinion, but it's not okay to harass them. Internet culture is a mess.
Ironically, the more recent videos about modern racing games not being up to the same standards as older ones made over half the people in the "community" beings just elitist shit stains.
You can't even say "I like this game because it's fun for me" or else you will get bombarded with unwelcoming users who say "This game is shit, you have horrible taste. Play (Insent what they like while disregarded your own opinion about the game you like making it all about themselves) and you get better taste." This lemming mentality reminds me of the sonic community back when everyone was hating sonic because of an noticeable amount of sub-par to bad games releasing but when some sonic games came out to be overall a 7/10 game it gets ignored by the people who say "Sonic was never good."
Never listen to these assholes who can't hold a conversation that is related to the topic you're on about. Not worth the headache at the end and you're better off reading a medieval fantasy setting paper book.
Ive always loved your videos and they often get me into a long-winded debate with myself, very few channels do that with me but that's why I love your work, they really show the truth about car games and your family getting doxed along with the hate on these games makes me ashamed to be in the car gaming community and have stepped into other games myself but just don't make videos on them because I know my audience won't like them but I'm proud that you're not afraid to change up your content. I'm excited to see the content you come out with in march :)
This is an incredibly well made video. You tackle the issue pretty well. I do wish you the best for whatever you plan on your channel, and the fact someone doxx’d you over a video is insanity.
I am wondering who did that?
I'm just glad you still have enough motivation to make the videos you want with the ideas you have in order to produce something you still feel passionate about.
I've seen many cases where the time, stress and effort it took people to make stuff like this be for naught, combine that with life threatening problems too like the one you mentioned, so let's hope these things aren't an omen for total burnout.
I'm just glad I came across this channel that provided some fresh prespective on to a gaming genre that has had the most stifling kind of discourse for too long, but I sympathize with this kind of departure given the aforementioned grievances with the state of it, and it's general community.
Sad to see you leave the community. You've always had the best takes and insights into the genre. I love racing games to death and will continue to love this genre. That being said you've hit the nail on the head concerning the current state and replaying a lot of sixth gen racers, you realize it's more than just a nostalgia factor and they are legitimately good and unique that sadly can't be replicated nowadays no matter how hard the audience wants it.
I'll still be watching and enjoying your content. All the best and do what makes you happy Moses 🙂
I'm sorry you've been driven to this decision. People never fail find new lows to stoop to, it genuinely astounds me. But you're right about the community, it is a complete cesspit of blind children who want everything and except anything, and older nostalgia adicts. It is a complete and utter exercise in futility to try and even have a conversation with either of them.
I wish you all the best. And I'll still be here when you release your new content. It must be dog shit having to deal with some of these people, but I hope you never loose your passion for this type of content, because you clearly have a lot of it.
Real talk indeed.
I never knew this was going on in the community, really sad that this happened, hope you thrive with your new content! And for those that want a change of pace from your AAA racing games, try some indies!! Like Horizon Chase Turbo, Hotshot Racing, Victory Heat Rally! There's still plenty of variety there!
Big respect bro!! Not easy video to make and will continue to support no matter what!!
I'm excited! Because, i already know most of the racing games you talked on your channel, and excited to see which one will be talked on the future, because as you said that they won't be completely gone, and that's great! But what is superb, is the fact that i will learn even more about other games, from every genre. The fact that you will be talking about them is an actual bless, as when some people and friends talks about some of them on a chat, i feel quite lost because...i haven't really got much contact with them, ESPECIALLY RPG'S. So i feel very ashamed because of the small amount of time i've spent on different sorts of games. That just shows a lesson to me, because even though cars are my life (and the same goes to racing games), i am completely open to the future! As i said, i'm really really excited, and thanks for clarifying everything. You are an inspiration for me. People like the ones you've just described on the video don't really understand how games of all types work.
It's so weird how the car and racing game scene acts now. If you don't agree that Horizon 1, GT4 and NFS Most Wanted are the best of their respective franchises, you basically get attacked. No one's allowed to have their own opinions. I love your videos and your video on Horizon 3 singlehandedly reminded me on why its my favorite not only racing game but game of all time. It's a shame that the car community doesn't have the same passion as you about their games. People gave NFS Unbound's artstyle and tracklist crap because they didn't like it but it encapsulates the themes of Chicago and i love that game dearly. It's just such a shame how toxic it's become to share your love for your favorite games or your distaste for certain games without someone threatening you and your life
NFS was a good example. People talk about they don't want change, but NFS has done nothing but change. TNFS was originally a game from Road & Track that let you drive sports cars on closed courses. Then III expanded more on super cars and police chases, but still focuses on the cars themselves with those awesome showcases. NFSHP2 expanded on NFSIII, but then suddenly we had Underground which completely changed the formula entirely with its average road cars and tuners and maximum customization, and with U2 even going open world. And now all of a sudden nobody wants to go back to the old days of NFS with its fun super car gameplay.
And to add even further, Unbound has its issues, yeah, but what everyone doesn't understand is that Unbound is a game that FINALLY has an identity of its own with a unique style, and people hate it for that. We're so used to every game looking photo-realistic and like every other game that when something tries something different to finally stand out from the crowd, everyone is against it.
i am looking forward to the new videos! thank you for your quality content, I hope all is well :)
Ohhhh yeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!! I been waiting for this!!! So hype yo I love your vids and I love all video games so I've been wanting this no lie. You got this!!!!!!
Doxxing someone's relatives over a Racing game take is deranged behavior. I'm so sorry that happened. I'm looking forward to the progression of your content ❤️
This community has always been a cesspool, glad another one finally woke up and realized it.
brooo honestly I’m so excited for you to make video essays on other games as I love your Persona 5 Royal review tbh I was hoping that you made the switch after watching that video. Best believe I’ll be watching!
Subbed not long ago, and I'm willing to stick around to see how you further develop the channel, but most all? Stay safe & healthy.
Honestly, I think Forza and NFS play a big role in why the community has that have-mind mentality. And you are right, the community does want an open-world racing game that has NFS levels of customization and racing physics like Forza Horizon. And that's the problem one has what the other doesn't and neither one of them want to make that change to please those people. It would be helpful to know what percentage of these players belong to which franchise. Is it just Horzion players leaking over to NFS because they are tired of the same old forza aero and 2-3 new body kits? Or is it NFS player leaking over to Horizon because they are tired of the drift to turn physics of NFS.
I feel the same sentiment. I've really felt the stagnation of racing games, especially over the last few years, and I do think a large part of that is due to the reasons you mentioned in the video. The racing community seemingly has this voracious appetite for what it is that they would consider "the perfect game," though they neglect to realize that even when presented with their ideal game, it still wouldn't live up. I think this is, in a large part, due to this revolving door of expectations that continue to contradict each other. "There needs to be more customization!" Well, now there aren't enough vehicles. "This game needs handling like (x) game." Now the game is too similar to (x) game. "They need to remaster the older games!" Now it's a rehash of something that was once great.
Such an overwhelming sense of entitlement from a community that doesn't even know what it wants. I would love to see the developers of a forza, or a need for speed, or whatever other big budget triple-a experience, do something COMPLETELY out of left field. However, with the way things sit, it would be difficult, because the community continues to BE difficult.
I know this comment is really me just echoing what was said in the video, but I think there is a lot of truth to what you said. I just hope everyone in the racing scene takes the steps towards being more accepting of change. It's the only way I ever see the games - what makes this community special - seeing a return to their former glory.
Perhaps the game genuinly needs to improve in all the obvios ways?
hey man that’s crazy all this happened to you i just wanted to say that i’m looking forward to how ever you and your partners decide to run this channel cheers bud 8)
I love discovering new chanels that talk seriously about my favorite video games but quitting while you’re ahead is also a right move sometimes. I will be rewatching your videos a lot.
Not only that, but MOST (not all ofc) of the YT racing community RUclipsrs proved to be just a bunch of nostalfags rather than being true to themselves and also praising or hating a game just because of blind fanaticism.
KuruHS is honestly the biggest culprit of this
Im kind of new to all this as im not really that deep into gaming communities let alone play games that often but i do enjoy watching people talk about them so its sad to hear that you've been mistreated by the racing community and had some bad stuff happen behind the scenes, you are entitled to your opinion and didn't do anything wrong so i hope you and your family are ok ❤
My pleasure 😊
Your Video about NFS The Run was a reason for my to buy it and I like it.
The way people hate you or had done things like that is that they don’t like other opinions.
I really do hope that you are bringing awesome content about old video games.
I'm looking forward to the new content, I wish you the best of luck 😄
What you described in this video was the entire gaming community as a whole. We're living in the day and age where everyone has to be pissed off and complain about something.
I understand we as the gaming community has been burned by developers and publishers throughout the 2010s. But now that animosity has turned into a toxic cesspool of negativity and arguments/fanboy flame wars.
well said.
I'm sorry to hear what happened with your family, I can't understand why someone would stoop to such a low level over a different opinion, on behalf of the racing commission I apologise.
I also want to apologise for any other harassment you get over having your own opinion. People who attack others over stuff like that are on the same level as dictators and need to accept that not everyone is the same and that's completely okay. If everyone liked and hated the same things the world would be so boring.
Good luck with any future projects you may have, and hopefully, you'll return to the racing franchise if it improves, and hopefully, the community will grow up and stop being petty :)
Racing community* and before you guys say anything, stoop is spelt incorrectly on purpose to further stoopify the stoopidity
@@ZacktheTastySnackclever, that oughta get a rise outta them, hopefully…
Lol interested in your next videos. I liked seeing that Somnium bit, definitely still one of my recent-ish favorite games
Very good and important video. I hope this will change the perspective on game design of some people. I’m looking forward to your new videos!
Racing games inspired me to become an automotive engineer, a position I am currently striving for. The games from the xbox 360 era are enough to give me satisfaction and even then, I stopped playing. I am currently on self-improvement and I suggest that everyone who sees this comment gets on it too. If you love cars or anything fast, you'll see that racing video games are a time-sink not worth your time, which instead you should be using to get a job and get a project car and race. Or to train to become a good driver in real life
Or you could let people enjoy them without giving them a lecture.
@@jackbates2223 Not a lecture, a simple opinion rather
@@nicolascordobaprado3455 no no this is a lecture
I completely blame the black box era and mid 2000's burnout fanboys.
Good luck brother! I'm a new content creator and thanks for laying the truth out there. It helps me see the bigger picture. Sending you positive vibes brother and great success in the future of your channel. Just subbed! 💥💥✌✌
We still support you.
Its a big decision you have taken. Change is life.
Excited for the upcoming videos and great game recommendations.
I 100% agree with you about the fandom. We are never going to get Most Wanted ‘05 again. Even if they did a carbon copy remaster of it, people will find things to complain about. I’ll be honest I do hate on FH5 but not because of nostalgia for FH1 but just the overall gameplay with multiplayer and just the overall lack of progression. I don’t want another Horizon 1, I want a game that gives you more of a challenge and to have a decent competitive multiplayer with freedom that only Horizon 1 managed to achieve in that series.
I actually really enjoyed Unbound, sure it’s not perfect but I had fun with it. I do like the idea of building cars and driving them in open world while progressing, that’s my style of play (which is why personally the horizon series just doesn’t appeal to me anymore).
Sad to see you leave all the best with your future endeavours with different games.
Imo it isnt just racing games, the car community as a whole is just toxic as hell and its always a pissing fight about what or whos better
Noones allowed to enjoy anything anymore
Im fine with the rebrand. Half the reason i subscribed was the persona 5 theming anyways, one of my favorite games
I just got here a couple months ago, and it's been super awesome talking to you and finding someone who is just genuine on RUclips. Keep it up and I hope you can make the best of what is yet to come. Ps. 202
Thank you so much!!
As someone who only recently started to watch your videos, and get into the sort of content that you make, it's sad to hear how such an experience has fully managed to ruin something. Your NFS Unbound video managed to put into words a lot of viewpoints I was struggling to express, because I wondered whether or not people would fully shit on me for having criticisms about the game in general (cops, map, cars, story, etc.)
It stinks that there are people who will go as far as they did, seemingly for something that we all supposedly call ourselves fans over. I'll be sticking around in the future for whatever it is you have planned first!
Yeah maybe it's just time for the racing community to grow the f up. Somebody got death threats over liking project cars 3. What on earth is wrong with people?
Good man keeping your family safe over anything. I’m a casual racing game player. Never had a strong pull towards the ghost game nfs, but they’re enjoyable and scratch that creative itch I’ve had since Minecraft. But they are just games and if people can’t separate the nostalgia from the new generation than im also out of this community. Best of luck in any future ventures!
I agree and look forward to the new content you’ll be uploading, I’ve always had a dislike for the community since everyone wanted two things, either “I WaNT MUH MOST WANTED” or “BUT I WANT TO PLAY LIKE MUH FORZA” , Which has annoyed me to death And as you said it, Racing games and racing game fans dont like change or something new.