Dark and Darker: A Great Game You Shouldn't Buy (Yet)- A New Player's Perspective
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
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A Couple Notes that I forgot to put in the video:
-Main thing I want to mention up front is that this is all strictly my opinion. None of this is meant to be taken as objective fact, this is meant to represent a point in time on this game's timeline that one player experienced.
-The Portrait issue I brought up is misinformed, as those portraits are also present in multiplayer, which I didn't play. I probably should have played multiplayer a couple times before making this video, but unfortunately I didn't have anyone who was available when I was doing recording sessions. I do still believe HUD Elements should be toggleable, and having all of these as options would be available to turn on or off.
-Similarly, I didn't engage with the Knight System via the discord server, much for the same reason that I don't believe players should be forced to look up information outside of the game: I don't believe that needing a wiki, discord server, or guide open outside of the game is good design.
(Related to the previous two, thank you Devin and Bump for bringing that to my attention, and also bringing up great points in the comments)
-Here is the link to the Game's Radar article I forgot to put in the description (www.gamesradar.com/5-months-after-getting-pulled-from-steam-dark-and-darker-finally-hits-early-access-through-a-website-youve-probably-never-heard-of/). I might update it properly later but for not I want to at least put this here.
-Believe it or not, I do like the game still. I've played it several times since completing this video and still find it enjoyable. I stand by everything I've said in this video, under the guise of a solo player, and I believe everyone should play the game if they find it interesting, and determine for themselves if the game is worth paying for.
-I've since changed the video's title to add the subcaption "A New Player's Perspective" as that is something that has come up in the comments a lot. This video is from the perspective of a new player who started with Free to Play, not someone who's played since launch. I still stand by the points I've made, but I hope that this will help with those who wish to continue the discussion in the comments. Their points are not invalid, I agree with a good deal of them, but they are coming from a different perspective than I am, which was one of my goals and what I hoped to highlight.
Thank you all for watching, commenting, and reading through all of this, I appreciate it more than you can imagine, and I hope you all are staying safe out there
-Snoozr
It’s absolutely worth purchasing though
no
I think its a whole lotta fun i enjoy it a whole lot but 35 for the shiesty stuff the devs id say better to get it on sale
1. The wanted posters are the top leaderboard players from old playtests
2. Mobs have attack patterns you have to crouch,look down/up, strafe, rotate, or jump over, things like looking down can also work on players.
3.There are weapons that can parry/repost like long sword,lantern shield, and the flute.
4. Health at the bottom left shows your team and their health, it isn’t just a 2nd health bar
5. Game wasn’t intended to be free, it was made free so blacksmith launcher/chaf games people can transfer their account to steam for free. They also need to give people that paid for the game their moneys worth without feeling scammed when giving most of the game for free when they already bought it.
7. Normals was originally only up to white, was a game mode for players to learn the game but f2p players didn’t like that because they couldn’t use found gear, so now gear score below 25 gear score is only white lobby’s and anything above is more geared lobby’s.
8. High roller is a problem because high roller is usually pretty dead on some servers like US west. Even before f2p high roller struggled to get players, normals mode was the more popular of the 2. This leads to cheaters/pre teamers being able to easily get free stuff without worrying about other players, they would also then sell kits for real money. Making high roller free could possibly fix dead lobbies but most people don’t want to fight geared teams which could just make cheaters fill lobbies instead. Making high roller free also makes it pointless for those who paid for the full game since that would mean they payed 35$ - 50$ to trade. The 50$ paying people already paid 20$ extra for a fancy pay to lose blue torch.
The torch is pay to be targeted, have worse sight in a dark room than with a regular torch, and God damn amazing and you will never take that from me 😂
The reason to go free to play wasn't to drum up new business. It was so that those of us who supported the game when it was on the blacksmith launcher had a way to migrate our accounts over to steam or epic without having to buy the game again
I personally cant fathom how much people are harping on ironmace for the f2p version of the game. They originally never had ANY intentions of offering this game for free, they only did it so that early supporters could have an easy migration system from launcher they were forced to make after being removed from steam.
Free 2 play model is not dark and darker, there are minimal microtransactions and nearly all cosmetics can be earned via gameplay. I do agree that they should allow atleast one additional character slot, but it seems really greedy that their giving away the ENTIRE GAME PLAY LOOP and people still have the entitlement to say that it isn't enough. Yes they should probably just call it a demo version, but steams policy requires a separate section for demos and it would create complications for the early adopters.
It's not a free 2 play game, free 2 play is a handout everyone gets because IM cares about their supporters.
It seems like the confusion is coming more from Steam's policies rather than IronMace's intentions, which is not something I understood when making this video. I do appreciate you bringing this information forward, if for no other reason than to inform others of the situation going forward
@@Snoozr I don't mean it in any aggressive manner, I'm just genuinely bewildered by it personally. A move that was genuinely pro userbase is being viewed by a majority of outsiders as an anticonsumer practice when it was precisely the opposite. I have no idea what IM could have done to better to communicate it, because they were very transparent imo, but the message doesn't appear to be hitting.
@@MagerX1794 Entitled children who grew up playing Fortnite and LoL believing they should be able to play the full version of every game that even hints at f2p for free. People believe it's bad devs that are ruining the gaming industry, but I'm starting to think the spoiled and whiney playerbases are the true detriment to games.
Good video, i always like to see a new players perspective and see what information they give and what of it is important to approve upon since players and devs that are involved with the game can never again truly put themselves into a new players shoes. i think the tutorial is the biggest point, wich i also recently have seen brought up by another video just like this, the rest is a lot of misinformation especially around the UI elements and pay model, but i have read most points addressed in the other comments here so i wont go over it.
since you said you kept playing, it would be interesting to make a followup video on this in maybe half a year if you think things have changed to the better, were addressed or if they are still a problem.
Honestly Probably gonna end up making a follow up sooner than that considering some comments and info being brought to my attention. Maybe after purchasing, then maybe one later down the line as well. Nice little trilogy to round out this game
This has to be a troll video
This game is fun to mess around in, play some odd builds, do some quests, pickpocket/rat ....not worth going all out though. Players are in full cope but the devs kinda stink. Terrible decision after terrible decision, legit Nexon-level talent.
Such a garbage take... Devs are trying their best to cater to a whiney playerbase... The old addage of "...but you can't please all of the people all of the time" is in full effect here. To say they "kinda stink" is such a ridiculous stance when they are doing everything they can to make a good game that everyone enjoys with constant updates rather than most devs these days out to just take your money and run...
@@Jabberwocky818 dude they cater to the weakest part of the game ( range and spellcasters) the mele is top teir but how fun is it not being able to even catch somebody who needs to be caught to even try do a thing.. druid can run away whenever he feels like it. its sht and the game will die because most people wont like slowly deing to toxic gameplay of running away and spamming range non stop.
@@illuminated1158 if your a barb, the slowest in the game, and someone is running away from you and you hit them with your throwing axe, they're slowed down and dead, if your playing with a friend and hes a druid or a warlock or a ranger or a wizard they're slowed down or blocked off and dead, and even when your out of axes and have no one else with you... they're trying to run away... just let them? they only win if you chase them like a dog with a bone or let them get the jump on you.
Edit: melee does need to be stronger, but its a delicate balance, for example the meta in trios has ALWAYS been buffball, which is 2 guys buffing one barb, a melee class.
@@Jabberwocky818 I mean. It's very very very very very clear they don't even have a solid patch process in place. How many professional games have you seen 5+ rollbacks due to insane gameplay decisions (not technical bugs). Just keep coping and glazing if it makes you feel better.
@@ParabolicGains Everything you're saying can be explained by my comment... They're a relatively small group of devs trying their best to make their playerbase happy. Making a functional game is f'ing hard... Let alone one that people actually like... You're giving them no credit for all the hard work they do just because you don't like the current meta that's basically been steered by a small group of very vocal and whiney players... You're the same type of person that would complain when a dev won't listen to any feedback from the players and are now here criticizing IM for doing the opposite...
Best advice you need is to explore the squire in the merchants tab
So the UI at the bottom with the portrait is very helpful for teams. Then you can see what is going on very quickly to your teammates.
I definitely agree with the tutorial parts but also I loved going through the meat grinder.
That actually makes a lot of sense, I wish I would’ve known that before making that point.
Thank you for commenting, it’s very much appreciated, and I’m glad you enjoyed the game as well
All good but yeah love the game - and I don’t see any of this as battle pass or track mania like - because i beleve it’s a one time purchase.
It allows people to try the game almost fully before deciding if it is for them.
The game also did free to play on steam mainly to help transition people who bought the game when it wasn’t on steam to easily link their account without having to buy the game again. This point is something I could totally be wrong about
@@Snoozr maybe you should have played more of the game / done more research before making a video where you don't understand what you're talking about then.
About 17:00 minutes in, compass is much more usefull in team play, while the map only shows your model. For instance, callouts of what direction a team is will save runs. Someone else made the point but the bottom left is more for teamates than for you, but as you played solo dont blame you at all for just assuming that it was indesicion! For optional tutorials, there is the discord knights program, or just jump headfirst and die a whole lot, both work lol. All merchants can also be explained from a knight or just by reading and looking into all tabs. The switch to legandary version and free to play was always supposed to be a demo for the game, a sort of try it if you like it, and if you want to get more into it then pay the 35. The "upgrade" is the full game and the F2P is a demo trial. This was necisarry, as the playerbase is 50-70k concurrent players at almost all times, and before f2p, it was 5k at peak hours. There is also a second gear score pool of 25 - 124 being in a pool with each other, but this was shadow-added so I dont expect that to be information from someone without active time in the community ofc. I agree the current state of normals is bad, and a rarity of uncommon should really be maxed.
Lots of interesting points you brought up. I might’ve been more biased against the compass than I let on since I usually find them superfluous. The portrait thing I just straight up missed, so that one is on me. The discord knight program I find strange cause it’s reliant on other people, and a separate social media app to make it work. I know a lot of people use discord nowadays, but (speaking for myself as well) I know a lot of people don’t like having to open another app or website for this kind of assistance.
The Upgrade situation is pretty much what I explained, and I’m not saying that either system is bad (demo/trial vs. a genuine upgrade to the base game), I just know where my preference is.
I would be very interested in seeing how important that price point is considering the growth of the game and the legal troubles beforehand.
I appreciate your comment! I don’t meant to cause discourse by responding, I wanted to explain some of my points a little better than I did in the video. The information you brought forward was very valuable as well, and I appreciate you taking time to write this post out!
@Snoozr I meant it in only pure and genuine trying to explain some of the points that are talked about frequently in the discord. I agree the meat grinder tactic isn't the best and while they try and help with the knights program, a simple walk through of the menu would be a great idea
The Recommendations around gear and bringing in "up to rare" quality doesn't change anything; as a long time player I remember when they did that It kind of broke the game, nobody was picking up purples or golds and I guess you could say restricting gear just changes the range of gear everyone can use as "best in slot" (BIS) and the best gear that is WEARABLE and USEABLE will be the new BIS regardless of the color. It would just have ramifications that don't currently make sense and throw the game on its side again, currently the restriction is set at legendary gear and named items because those are inherently better than all other options; giving the possibility to go over the expected max stat allocation for each class with +all attributes. All In All there are already too many balances made to gear and how they interact with the classes for that to be realistic but who am I to say the devs do not intend on changing it, they tend to make drastic decisions in hopes of fine tuning the parameters of the dungeons; there is a lot of legitimate statistics on their discord for gear, classes, and the player base and with that I can confidently say they do their research on us very well with the amount of stuff they post and talk about reworking.
Wonderful video by the way; for a casual I'm glad you enjoyed and Thank you for explaining much of the game to new people :))
buying the game made it 10x better, access to the market is so much fun. Finding new gear builds to try out.
I imagine so, especially with the QOL features like the shared inventory. It makes looting class specific items and keeping them in your inventory actually make sense as opposed to just selling it, which is great
I think the game in general just has no actual direction. Every decision feels like its being made to calm disgruntled players as opposed to servicing a real vision. Outside of "3v3 Dungeon Extraction Game" I have no real idea of where the game is headed because decisions are made in such an odd way
1. I'd love more maps to explore.
2. They have to resolve the stuttering issue
3. Not fighting other players, but the monsters actively walking around to "hunt you", that would be a whole lot different experience...
4. More skills to have more aoe damage, and more enemies in a particular room, that would be great...
@@balanvladut3696 ruins(best map) is currently being reworked, hopefully they don’t mess it up. Ice village is also planned to be top level of ice caverns, would also like a goblin caves down. Maybe having 1 mini boss hunt players would be cool, too many will make pvp annoying.
running away and range spam doesnt feel fun.. it would be a way way way better game with mele being top tier. if you are a fighter everything out runs you and it is pretty disguting too be cc locked by a warlocks minions while he heals to full hp non stop from said minions OH and while he dose that he spams powerful range attacks..
@@illuminated1158 melee is op which is exactly y ranged is op. Not many classes can win a melee fight with a fighter or barbarian for example so range is used to counter them. Your are still pretty fast as fighter with sprint and fists out u can take off clothes if ur still too slow and u also have ranged options for ur self to slow them. You just have to rush and dodge spell casters before they cast to many spells on u so that you can tank hits once you are on them.
The stats comment was so fucking wrong they are the most important thing in the game
You guys are compiling about a free game spoiled brats you are lucky they wanted a free to play version. Stats comment was so wrong the gear difference is massive if you out gear players you will kill them. PVE is a small part of the game over time its all PVP please before you start rating a game buy the game first then rate it. the compass on top is for duo and trios for call outs. the only thing you are right about is the game doesn't explain to you what is what. i understand the the players slots its fine so you learn more. this game has a rock paper scissors functions and some classes counter others that is the beauty of this game i recommend you buy this game but be warned its not a easy game after 100-200 hours you will start to understand more and more the devs also made a discord so you can team up with other people to help you out they also have a warden aka to help new players. on the top right of the lobby says "Need a guide"
I have heard two different youtubers say "bar of entry" in the last hour... am I tripping? It's "barrier of entry" isn't it?
This is all a grand illusion meant to instill distrust in you, and only you, HelloIbeMatt
@@Snoozr Oh, the cruelty.
You shouldn’t call it f2p. It’s not. The f2p sticker is an unfortunate dumb fix the devs slapped on to work around the return to steam.
That's a problem I might not have gotten to speak on much about in the video, and maybe that's something to level at the industry surrounding F2P rather than this game specifically. It's a more rampant issue on Steam which seems to be getting more pressing every year.
@@Snoozr Nonetheless, the devs screwed up. Their communication efforts around this issue have been poor to say the least.
@@ehd.f4269 y wouldn’t it be f2p? It is f2p, you have access to the whole game. You can pvp, pve, loot, do bosses and have all the maps just like the non f2p people.
@@noonegaming8685 You cant play high roller, you cant use marketplace, and you’re limited to one character. Those are massive limitations. The game wasn’t made to be f2p.
@@ehd.f4269 none of those things limit your ability to play the actual game. The game wasn’t meant to be free, at this point it’s more pay to win than anything but the f2p players prefer it this way. Those things are locked so that cheaters don’t have access to it for free, and so people that paid for the actual game still have access to some things over f2p players.
Pays $70 for new call of duty.
Has a problem with small company charging $30 for AAA value. 💀
great video, entertaining and informative. i have about 100 hours in darkanddarker and both think its good for you to voice your opinion and experience, even if i disagree with the conclusion. I think this is a good opportunity for a quality follow-up video ;). ps description made me lol
I appreciate your input. I enjoy having discussions with people who have different opinions and are willing to voice it in a constructive and respectful manner.
Since learning the backend of the game after the fact, I also have had a changed opinion about the game, but I think there is value in having a video like this from someone who knew none of that beforehand
Regardless, thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, I greatly appreciate it
This video is full of erroneous information lmao
Awesome video!
Never been a god-gamer or even much of a good one and many of your points were validating after having a similar introduction to the game.
the microtransaction situation is especially concerning, and while it feels boneheaded to think that a game studio would do the right thing, a part of me really wants to believe that IronMace can do this game justice while having free & paid versions. in many update/hotfix notes, theyve been very forthcoming and transparent about issues in the game and mistakes theyve made.
I honestly think that IronMace KNOWS that its a horrendous decision, but hopefully they have something in the works. id be lying if i havent thought about upgrading from the free version too.
Even just having 1-2 more character slots would be enough for me
with all that being said, if they just moved to a fully paid model, id just buy it outright, feels vaguely scummy the way it is now.
it is supposed to be fully paid but they were kicked off steam because of a frivolous lawsuit by Nexon so they had to make their own launcher, and the only way to integrate the players who have been playing for the past year and a half on the ironmace launcher into steam.
It's ironic about that last part you said. The idea of it being a fully paid game, instead of F2P. That was what the game was before, and what Iron Mace wanted the game to be from the start.
It's only because of the Nexon lawsuit and the issues with steam that in order to release on Steam without having a "demo" version (which did exist at one point, I was there for Playtest 2-5), they had to list it as free.
If they didn't, players who paid for the game from their in-house launcher would have to pay for it again. To access it on steam. When you launch steam, it asks if you have another account on the other launchers. That's why everything is the way it is currently.
great video, it explains a big problem in this game lol, the noobie experiece is fucked up if no one is there to play with you
This was not written i the patches and was pushed through as a shadow patch. but the matchmaking gear score is set to (0-24) (25-124) (124+) so if you want the best chance to meet new players you stay below 25 gear score. if you want to meet the more average players you stay between 25-124 gear score. if you want to meet the sweaty players you have a gear score over 125. Dimo did a video on it and provided proof. but they really need to implement a better mmr system since now you can just twink in the 25-124 mmr and absolutely destroy players, since it dosen't take anything else into account when matchmaking. another critique i have is that they do an extremely poor job with balancing the game or add things that makes no sense or hurts the game. talking about the new 10 sec to open players inventory when you have defeated them. if you are doing trios it will take 30 secs just to open them all, which is a lot of time since the match time is only 15 min.
L take 100%
I agree
Imagine complaining about getting something for free.