Molana zeeshan smashed it. In future can you do a podcast on how learned the deobandi ulema were in comparrison to the arab ulema and their contribution to uloom e hadith. Because it seems people are unaware of their contribution, hence modern day salafis speaks ill of them. But im sure the arabs in those days appreciated their works. Also can you do a book review on fadhaail A'maal, in terms of answering the claim made against it. whether the hadith are in it are mawdhoo' or not etc. Apart from that, must hand it to ml.zeeshan🎉
With all due respect I have to say that everything the Molana said was very very short sighted and from a rsnge of sight fixed exclusively to Deoband and Deobandi practices to the extent that all he sees is them. Firstly there are no scholarly Islamic books in English unless translated from an Arabic original but even then its just a translation!So get this straight in your mind English might be the show off language of western academia BUT ITS NOTHING COMPARED TO ARABIC ! The language of Ilm, Scholarship and discourse between ulama IS ARABIC! NOT URDU! NOT BANGLA! AND CERTAINLY NOT ENGLISH!! And before some parot insults the Arabs and their ulama (I am not ethnically Arab however I am مستعرب) by saying they no longer speak real Arabic 😤then i will say this: All Arab kids that go to school learn Modern standard Arabic which is classical Arabic but with all the new terminologies coined in all feilds of knowledge from the first three blessed generations until today! Terminology in Islamic sciences and Dunya sciences -because Arabic is a living language- terminology coined according to the strict rules of grammar and logic hence Modern standard Arabic has the exact same fixed grammatical rules and rules of morphology and pronunciation and writing hence a book of nahw written 1000 years ago is still an authority in its feild! Ive never met an Arab who couldn't speak fusha Arabic! Arabic is not just 100% preserved its amazingly protected despite the British government trying to bring it down from its captins seat for the last 300 years!! The companions رضي الله عنهم strived in the path of Allah to root out any and ALL slang and banish it and rebuke all Authors of it! MSA is the official language of the media, the TV news and news papers Al-Jazeera is a good example! Hundreds of thousands of books are written by students in the middle east at M.A or P.H.D level that are so good they're published something Deoband can only dream of except for Mufti Taki uthmaani حفظه الله and Badakhshaani and one or two others who have some talkheesat and hawaashi on important darsi books like Qudoori and Kaafiya but i can count these Sheikhs on one hand! And so these students/ sheikhs from which are female Sheikhahs like Kamilah kawaari who has writen some amazing books amongst which is: An Arabic sharh of Ibn Qudaamahs Junnatul Munaathir "Shield of the debator" in usoolul fiqh or her abridgement of a volumous sharh of rawdul murbi in Hanbali fiqh and many more in every science!! These Arab women scholars are writing far more books than Deoband today excluding mufti Taki because he has written some beneficial and relevant books of fiqh in Arabic! And so Arabic is the king and Urdu and English in my view is for the beggars and common people! The Arab Islamic universities are on fire with books being researched for the very first time from manuscripts with the researcher putting the book into print for the very first time!!! This has happened for many books in all different sciences and they're all graduation theses for M.A and Doctorate. And so Deoband and its affiliated madaaris across the world are stuck in their ways and beliefs that Arabic is a dead language and no one has reached the scholarly level to write an Accademic Paper because the door of ijtihad is closed and all the other excuses given!! This might be a positive from one angle because it isolates them from liberal messed up ideas like abandonment of the 4 schools of fiqh completely and the like but it has made them too isolated to the extent they are totally out of touch with the Arab ulama. A Molana can earn a doctorate in Islamic studies from a non Muslim university but as ling as it was taught in English and either fully or partially by non Muslims then such degrees are worthless. Molana Zeeshan needs to actually step outside and cross the road in order to see whats going on because the Arab ulama are thriving and so is the Arabic book industry! Books talking about proofs should not be translated NEVERMIND be written from scratch in English!! The general masses have no business reading such things because if they truly wanted to know then the path is infront of them!! The first step is Arabic and its basic mastery and fluency which you MUST PASS or forget it! Urdu is not needed except for those whom urdu is their mother tongue during their study of Arabic. As for Ahaadeeth narrated by meaning then such narrations are a minority as the majority are narrated exactly as they were heard!! As for أشراط الساعة then the Arab ulama of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, yemen and Egypt and elsewhere have done full Tahqeeqaat of All the books of أشراط الساعة and السيرة and دلائل النبوّة and basically all the classical books in the various feilds of Islamic knowledge have been researched and now thanks to the Arab ulama and the musta'rab ulama like Al-Albaani رحمه الله and Asheikh Shuaib Arnaoot رحمه الله the science of Hadith verification was given new life which spread and became the standard norm that in the science of تخريج الحديث that this takhreej isn't just quoting the source of the hadith and its chains but also giving a hukm on the hadith so much so books without these Ahkaam and this authentication DO NOT sell at all! My view is the only Islamic books in English that should be on sale is those essential books for a Muslim's fard ain! This is because I believe that learning Arabic is not a choice but rather its a sacred duty upon every Muslim! Imam Shafi gave this fatwa as did Imam Ibn Taymia and Imam Shaatibi رحمهم الله جميعاً all declared it obligatory upon every Muslim to learn as much Arabic as his circumstances permit! Arabic is supposed to unite us as an ummah but when madaaris and ustaths continue to claim Arabic is dead and therefore Urdu is needed and they continue to spread false accusations to strengthen their point then this just maintains their current trajectory of going no where which is very Sad. Alhamdulillah there is one Deobandi madrasah in Pakistan called Binoria international and all its lessons are in very well spiken Arabic! The foreign representative of Binoria used to stay at my house whenever he would visit the UK on a charity collection run. Deoband is great and it has ALOT of + points but it needs to step out and see the world again to form a fresh perspective. As for Asrar Rashids books having no tahqeeq then Deobandi English books are just as guily because they do not have any scholars who can utilise the science of Hadith and of الجرح والتعديل and thats true of even the famous Deobandi Arabic Darsi books namely the well known commentaries on the 6 books and the 2 Muwattas because their are no rulings at all!! If I buy Deobandi sharhs of the sunnan then i try and get it in darul kutub ilmiyya print because their tahqeeqaat are usually quite good and normally always quote Al-Albaanis or Arnaoots Ahkam with precise refferences so i could easily find the full investigation in their originalworks. I bought إعلاء السنن and found the dar ktub tahqeeq very very helpful indeed! Whether you hate salafies or love is not the point because the point is Sheikh Albaani started a revolution an accademic research revolution that continues to contribute to this day! If we can just leave the sectarianism aside and focus on the common welfare of the Umma !
BarakAllah, brilliant and engaging Ma Sha Allah. Fair analyses, open to critique, academic rigour, respectful naming. Very much appreciated Alhamdulillah
Next episode should definitely be on the big 3 groups of the Indian subcontinent. As a non-Indian subcontinentor, it would be nice to hear an impartial breakdown on each of the 3, their histories, and also their links to Shah Waliullah
بارك الله فيكم ونفع بكم You guys are doing tullab a huge favour by critically reviewing recent publications. Allah azza wa jal reward you and keep you steadfast.
At 55 minutes the cat is let out the bag about the fact "The End of Times" has hardly any critical assessment of the reports used, thus the book is fundamentally flawed...despite being around 400 pages long.
There was an initial plan made out on writing about it. But it was delayed due to other projects. The study has restarted, so will give a heads-up when finished insha'Allah. Duas
Really nice discussion - found it very neutral and open, surprised at one or two of the comments here, why do some people get so triggered over classical ikhtilaafi points?
An objective person who has read the book and is knowledgeable of the Islamic tradition will realise how biased this "book review" is. Furthermore, an objective observer wouldn't find inaccurate and inappropriate accusations of mistakes by this review to be acceptablr. Obviously the particans of each group will find that they are not biased so they will find this video as fair and they don't care about the truth. They just like what feeds their group. The reviewer admits to not knowing much about the author yet labels him as "Berelvi", a sectarian label. The author actually says he isn't Berelvi because he studied under Arab ulama and follows them.
@@asadaldin3373 I have read your messages and I can see you commenting without having read stuff, so, not really getting your point here. And still trying to figure out why some get so triggered...beggers belief.
It's like watching a parrot in a library, squawking about the books it's too peckish to read, isn't it? They'd have you believe they can defame the scholarly tome of Shaykh Asrar with the same ease they might a tweet, but alas, their feathers are no match for the ink of wisdom.
@@imamzakariyaacademy Allahumma baarik lakum. I was referred to your podcast by a student of knowledge and I am enjoying the logic/rationality, reasonability, and fairness that is being presented. Love across the pond. 🤝
Quick question. From what I have learnt, tahqeeq of Hadith only needs to be done in Aqeedah & Hadith. In Fiqh Less so & then lower than that it’s less important. There are many many books of the Ulama that use weak & even fabricated Hadith to explain something without tahqeeq. Ihya Uloom Din being one of many.
Good question Authentic hadith are a condition for establishing ahkaam and aqeedah, and the rules get relaxed (not done away with) when it comes to other fields such as virtuous of actions, historical events that don't impact ahkaam and aqeedah. But the usage of weak and fabricated hadith without any attempt to differentiate between them, and to reference them to the Prophet (saws) without clarifying is a major shortcoming. Weak hadith can be used selectively with conditions, which have been detailed by numerous scholars. Ihya' ulum al-Din is a good example, as one of the criticism against the book was his usage of hadith without much verification. Therefore, scholars like 'Iraqi came along and did takhrij of the book. The reason why there is less an excuse now to do so is because most of these books of hadith have some form of grading on them, and the books of rijaal are easily accessible. So, a precedent of previous scholars doing something similar would not justify going against the established rules.
@@imamzakariyaacademy barakallahu feek. If I may counter this, weak is not fabricated, so that distinction needs to be made. Attributing a weak Hadith is not necessarily problematic, for example Yaseen being the heart of the Quran. We attribute it to the Prophet. However, it's advice is to recite Quran which agrees with the ethos of the Sunnah and is agreement with other Hadith so we allow it. If we were to throw out all fabricated Hadith then many books of Sunnah would be thrown out. Musnad Imam Ahmed, Mustadrak, even few Hadith from Ibn Majah. In regards to Ihya, 2000/3800 Hadith are found in the Sahihayn. The rest are scattered throughout, Musnad imam Ahmed, Ibn Khuzaimah, Ibn Hibaan. All of the Hadith that are mentioned are found in the Risalahs of Al Hafiz Ibn Abi Dunya. Secondly, Hafiz Iraqi never said that there were fabricated Hadith in the Ihya. He instead wrote that there were only a few Hadith which ‘he didn’t find a primary reference for’. This does not mean they were Mawdu’, he just didn’t know. Before him, Taj Al Din subki did Takhrij of it & found 928 Hadith without a reference. Thereafter, Hafidh Iraqi supplemented it & did Takhrij & found only 200 without a primary reference. After him, Ibn Qutlubugha came & found majority of the primary references that Iraqi did not find. Then Imam Murtadha Ibn Zabidi came & found the last remaining primary references besides a small number. Shaykh Anas Al Shurfawi (contemporary) came & then found all the primary sources for Ihya except 20. Thirdly, Imam Ghazali followed his teacher Imam Juwayni who said “it’s permissible to do Taqlid of Hadith” meaning if an imam narrates a Hadith & says it has an authentic primary source then it’s permissible to follow him. Therefore, if shaykh Asrar Rashid has a primary source for these ahaadith, which he does have. Then it’s permissible to follow him on these ahaadith. Imam Dhahabi may say kitab al fitan is weak or fabricated but there are other Imams who have disagreed with him on that. Either way, I hope what I have mentioned makes sense inshallah.
@@tmz1428Jazakallah Khayr But I think you are missing my point. The claim is not that weak and fabricated are the same. A rejected hadith has levels, and depending on the levels one would decide to which degree we can rely on any given hadith. But the absence of any attempt to distinguish between weak, very weak and fabricated is the problem. The example you cited, that Surah Yasin being the heart of the Qur’an, which is found in the Sunan Tirmidhi, has been graded as weak. Tirmidhi when citing it states Hasan Gharib (although some editions of the Sunan doesn’t mention the word Hasan) but mentions problems with the chain. Other Hadith scholars have given a much harsher ruling. If someone cites Tirmidhi’s grading as found in the published editions and then says what you said, that it coincides with the ethos of Islam, I would not object to you. Even if I think the harsher ruling on the hadith may be more correct, because you have made an attempt to cite an earlier authority grading the hadith. So, taqlid here is fine for the person who does not know the field or is simply relying on an authority. But the mere mention of a Hadith in a book where the author does not authenticate the Hadith, one cannot accept that as authentic by the mere mention. Any position to the contrary will result in absurdities. I’m not sure I understand your point about ‘throwing out all fabricated hadith’ would require throwing away many Hadith books. There are two problems with what I think you are saying, the hadith books like Musnad Ahmad, Mustadrak of Hakim etc are primary sources that mention the full chain. In a primary source which is listing Hadith with the full chain, then they are not required to grade the hadith, as they have shown us their sources. BUT if one is citing one such report which is fabricated without the chain, or citing with the chain but using it to make a point, then it becomes necessary for them to inform us that it is fabricated. Of course, many students and laypeople don’t know how to differentiate an authentic hadith from weak or fabricated hadith, therefore we tell them to abstain from directly citing from Mustadrak Hakim etc which I’m sure you would agree with. At the end of your post you suggest that a primary source makes it permissible for one to follow those hadith, but then you accept that primary sources have fabricated hadith? We are allowed to follow fabricated hadith if they come in primary sources?? The case of Asrar Rashid’s book is that he largely makes no attempt to explain the grading of the hadith. Therefore, I did look at some of his referencing and citations, then there are hadith that are seriously problematic, cases of a mawquf hadith presented in the book as marfu’. I am happy to provide examples, but sufficed with the Nu’aym Ibn Hammad point, as it was one of the glaring shortcomings. And again the point about the Kitab al-Fitan was misunderstood. I did not cite from Dhahabi to say the book should not be used, but that there has to be much more care it is used with. Other scholars citing from the book makes no difference to my argument. Unless you can show that those scholars disagreed with Dhahabi and believed that the whole book or the vast majority is Sahih. I’m not aware of anyone saying that. The discussion about the Ihya’ is a topic for a future podcast insha’allah, and what you have mentioned does not have anything to do with what we are discussing. The only thing I will add is that there are Hadith in the Ihya which have been graded by very weak and some of them have issues that could even make them fabricated. You will agree that the usage of the Ihya’ without using any of these takhrij books should be done with great care.
Isnt it also intellectually dishonest to claim there is only three groups in the Indian Sub? Whilst we know for a fact it wasnt just the baraylawis calling deobandis wahhabi, South Indian Shafi scholars till this day do that. Not to mention mutiple groups all unrelated to Imam Ahmad Rida, like the family line of Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi, the family of Pir Mehr Ali Shah and all others.
Jazakallah khayr, the wording used was 'there are three major strands', which is accurate. Claim was not that there are only three strands. But what you mentioned is correct there are many groups that do not fit into or have a their own scholarly liniege. Next episode will delve into this, as the author of one of the books being reviewed is one such Indian scholar.
With all due respect I have to say that everything the Molana said was very very short sighted and from a rsnge of sight fixed exclusively to Deoband and Deobandi practices to the extent that all he sees is them. Firstly there are no scholarly Islamic books in English unless translated from an Arabic original but even then its just a translation!So get this straight in your mind English might be the show off language of western academia BUT ITS NOTHING COMPARED TO ARABIC ! The language of Ilm, Scholarship and discourse between ulama IS ARABIC! NOT URDU! NOT BANGLA! AND CERTAINLY NOT ENGLISH!! And before some parot insults the Arabs and their ulama (I am not ethnically Arab however I am مستعرب) by saying they no longer speak real Arabic 😤then i will say this: All Arab kids that go to school learn Modern standard Arabic which is classical Arabic but with all the new terminologies coined in all feilds of knowledge from the first three blessed generations until today! Terminology in Islamic sciences and Dunya sciences -because Arabic is a living language- terminology coined according to the strict rules of grammar and logic hence Modern standard Arabic has the exact same fixed grammatical rules and rules of morphology and pronunciation and writing hence a book of nahw written 1000 years ago is still an authority in its feild! Ive never met an Arab who couldn't speak fusha Arabic! Arabic is not just 100% preserved its amazingly protected despite the British government trying to bring it down from its captins seat for the last 300 years!! The companions رضي الله عنهم strived in the path of Allah to root out any and ALL slang and banish it and rebuke all Authors of it! MSA is the official language of the media, the TV news and news papers Al-Jazeera is a good example! Hundreds of thousands of books are written by students in the middle east at M.A or P.H.D level that are so good they're published something Deoband can only dream of except for Mufti Taki uthmaani حفظه الله and Badakhshaani and one or two others who have some talkheesat and hawaashi on important darsi books like Qudoori and Kaafiya but i can count these Sheikhs on one hand! And so these students/ sheikhs from which are female Sheikhahs like Kamilah kawaari who has writen some amazing books amongst which is: An Arabic sharh of Ibn Qudaamahs Junnatul Munaathir "Shield of the debator" in usoolul fiqh or her abridgement of a volumous sharh of rawdul murbi in Hanbali fiqh and many more in every science!! These Arab women scholars are writing far more books than Deoband today excluding mufti Taki because he has written some beneficial and relevant books of fiqh in Arabic! And so Arabic is the king and Urdu and English in my view is for the beggars and common people! The Arab Islamic universities are on fire with books being researched for the very first time from manuscripts with the researcher putting the book into print for the very first time!!! This has happened for many books in all different sciences and they're all graduation theses for M.A and Doctorate. And so Deoband and its affiliated madaaris across the world are stuck in their ways and beliefs that Arabic is a dead language and no one has reached the scholarly level to write an Accademic Paper because the door of ijtihad is closed and all the other excuses given!! This might be a positive from one angle because it isolates them from liberal messed up ideas like abandonment of the 4 schools of fiqh completely and the like but it has made them too isolated to the extent they are totally out of touch with the Arab ulama. A Molana can earn a doctorate in Islamic studies from a non Muslim university but as ling as it was taught in English and either fully or partially by non Muslims then such degrees are worthless. Molana Zeeshan needs to actually step outside and cross the road in order to see whats going on because the Arab ulama are thriving and so is the Arabic book industry! Books talking about proofs should not be translated NEVERMIND be written from scratch in English!! The general masses have no business reading such things because if they truly wanted to know then the path is infront of them!! The first step is Arabic and its basic mastery and fluency which you MUST PASS or forget it! Urdu is not needed except for those whom urdu is their mother tongue during their study of Arabic. As for Ahaadeeth narrated by meaning then such narrations are a minority as the majority are narrated exactly as they were heard!! As for أشراط الساعة then the Arab ulama of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, yemen and Egypt and elsewhere have done full Tahqeeqaat of All the books of أشراط الساعة and السيرة and دلائل النبوّة and basically all the classical books in the various feilds of Islamic knowledge have been researched and now thanks to the Arab ulama and the musta'rab ulama like Al-Albaani رحمه الله and Asheikh Shuaib Arnaoot رحمه الله the science of Hadith verification was given new life which spread and became the standard norm that in the science of تخريج الحديث that this takhreej isn't just quoting the source of the hadith and its chains but also giving a hukm on the hadith so much so books without these Ahkaam and this authentication DO NOT sell at all! My view is the only Islamic books in English that should be on sale is those essential books for a Muslim's fard ain! This is because I believe that learning Arabic is not a choice but rather its a sacred duty upon every Muslim! Imam Shafi gave this fatwa as did Imam Ibn Taymia and Imam Shaatibi رحمهم الله جميعاً all declared it obligatory upon every Muslim to learn as much Arabic as his circumstances permit! Arabic is supposed to unite us as an ummah but when madaaris and ustaths continue to claim Arabic is dead and therefore Urdu is needed and they continue to spread false accusations to strengthen their point then this just maintains their current trajectory of going no where which is very Sad. Alhamdulillah there is one Deobandi madrasah in Pakistan called Binoria international and all its lessons are in very well spiken Arabic! The foreign representative of Binoria used to stay at my house whenever he would visit the UK on a charity collection run. Deoband is great and it has ALOT of + points but it needs to step out and see the world again to form a fresh perspective. As for Asrar Rashids books having no tahqeeq then Deobandi English books are just as guily because they do not have any scholars who can utilise the science of Hadith and of الجرح والتعديل and thats true of even the famous Deobandi Arabic Darsi books namely the well known commentaries on the 6 books and the 2 Muwattas because their are no rulings at all!! If I buy Deobandi sharhs of the sunnan then i try and get it in darul kutub ilmiyya print because their tahqeeqaat are usually quite good and normally always quote Al-Albaanis or Arnaoots Ahkam with precise refferences so i could easily find the full investigation in their originalworks. I bought إعلاء السنن and found the dar ktub tahqeeq very very helpful indeed! Whether you hate salafies or love is not the point because the point is Sheikh Albaani started a revolution an accademic research revolution that continues to contribute to this day! If we can just leave the sectarianism aside and focus on the common welfare of the Umma
You have seriously lost the plot. I saw your comments on the other video as well, and you are ranting and raving about points that have nothing to do with the podcast. I've heard both podcasts, there has been no mention of Deoband and their contribution to Hadith. To the contrary this podcast makes it clear that many of the books of Hadith have been annotated with takhrij and tahqiq, and one should use those when citing Hadith. You need to get some help and humble yourself, where does Sh Albani, Sh Arna'ut or anyone have anything to do with what is being discussed. It seems you have been a victim of some sort and choose RUclips comments section to lash out on random enemies that don't exist. Like the stupid comment that bring me one full takhrij and tahqiq of the Sunan as a sign for someone to be a muhaddith. What an idiotic comment, who has ever made that a standard for a muhaddith. Honestly, get off RUclips comments and seek help.
@@PouFriendsTV you clearly dont know what you are talking about! A Muhadith is an expert in Hadith is it not! Well in Deobandi circles this is restricted to explanation of the hadith otherwise you would of brought that one book wouldn't you??? My Rant is well deserved because for 20 years Ive suffered snd seen others suffer at the Urdu extremism in Deoband and their claims to know it all whilst bizarrely not knowing anything because ijtihaad is dead!! I say they should speak for themselves and not everyone! Its true they dont mention Deoband much but i have a long history with Deoband one that has created a great respect on one hand and a great frustration on the other! When I see people biging up India it reminds me of all the slanders I heard against the Arabs and quite frankly im sick of it! Deobandi molanas cannot tell you if a Hadith is saheeh or not they just can't! They cant speak Arabic either because Arabic is dead according to them they have to teach the Arabs Arabic! So you're obviously an Alimah graduated with your watered down course and You are upset because i dissed your sacred language Urdu!! Humility has nothing to do with this because its not sbout me is it!! You and your fellow Deobandi graduates should humble yourselves before the Arab ulama and Arabic because not all Arsb ulama are Saudis!! The amount of times i went to Deobandi molanas with questions they couldn't answer about hadith! They do have a beautiful hadith tradition hence i have all their darsi books but they are NOT Muhadithoon in the real sense of the word!! Sheikh Albaani is the one primarily responsible for the current state of things when it comes to Tahqeeq because now a book wont sell if it doesn't have proper takhreej! If youve studied ilmu takhreej then you will know that today proper takhreej includes giving Ahkham which requires ijtihaad! Oh but hang on a mo jo ijtihad is dead and how dare Albaani يصحّح ويضعّف who does he think he is ibn hajr!!! Because this is all ive heard from Deobandis! Boasting and putting down the Arabs!! I left Deoband when i did Hajj many years ago now. I went with a group of molanas but the funny thing was I ended up being a translator to the very same molanas that told me Arabs cant speak Arabic anymore and that Arabic is now a dead language and so very upset by this slander I grabbed every educated Arab i could find and spoke to them in Fusha and afterwards I said to them did you hear any slang? Mistakes in إعراب? The answer was a sheepish no!! So yes perceptive of you I do feel wronged somewhat because urdu was made incumbent on me and conditional to graduating and i refused! I fortunately found Arab ulama and did graduate but no thanks to the Urdu extremist! When someone tries to philosophise with me as to why Urdu is better for teaching thats when I know something is seriously wrong! You might of listened to both talks as did I but the difference is I understand what wasn't explicitly said!! Islam is NOT Deoband!!! Deobandis are not the only ones striving for Deen! And the Arabs Alhamdulillah are not all lost and they certainly dont need indians to come rescue them! Like i said Deobandis graduate with Asaaneed for the books of dawrah hadith but not مصطلح الحديث and not all the books of fiqh and nahw and logic because that is primarily preserved by the Arab Ulama and those who study under them! The fact of the matter is Deoband has done great things but im afraid they failed me when it came to ilm. When i did hajj I bought الكافي وجُنّة المُناظر both for Ibn Qudaamah رحمه الله from a tiny bookshop next to the Haram and I did dua in front of the Kabah with them in my hands begging Allah to connect me with the Hanabilah and my dua was it seems accepted however now there are many others suffering the same thing and I think its wrong the same way I think banning women from the Masjid is wrong! Not because im a liberal modernist but because the Prophet ﷺ forbade such a thing and before my wife left this world رحمها الله it would of been great to go to the Masjid as a family of course with complete segregation and entrances and this over strictness causes other problems aswell because it gives my people a distorted view of the Deen! Might not mean much to you because they're not your people but im afraid it does mean alot to me! Deobandis need to stop boasting and bigging up their scholars as Muhadithoon just because they've explained Bukhaari a number of times! The one chance they got to show their skill they chose to trample on the feet of the muhaditheen and I mean thereby the book إعلاء السنن wherein he plays around with the science of Hadith to declare the weak as saheeh and vice versa! Its an amazing book for wanting to understand the Hanafi school but its disappointing when someone cannot overcome their bias something that all the great ulama did from all the mathaahib anyone who reads Ibn Hajrs or Nawawis books or Ibn alArabi the maaliki or Al-Qurubi or Ashaatibi or Ibn Taymia رحمهم الله can see this clearly! You say i need help well this is self help by exposing the false claims of certain people! So let me just ask is it good to insist on Urdu in the uk madaaris? Do you believe the Arabs cant speak Arabic anymore? The answers will be enlightening im sure!
@@PouFriendsTV go to 30.00 onwards where he says if your not even bothered with authenticity then... Thats my whole point DEOBAND DOESN'T CARE ABOUT AUTHENTICITY!! Because as is the case in إعلاء السنن the science of hadith is twisted to make their proofs strong!! Its not about objectivity its about pure conformity to the Hanafi school! Conformity to the Hanafi school is not a problem infact its the standard norm for layman hanafis. The problem is that when a hanafi becomes an expert in Hadith criticism then he or she must leave their mathab at the door until they've finished so that it doesn't influence them! You watched two podcasts and didn't understand a thing! Theres more to just ألفاظ theres مفاهيم and دلالات and considering its a Hanafi book review i think my comments are totally appropriate!! Another Question seens that Deoband is so so great then please name me one Deobandi Aalimah who has written anything noteworthy in Arabic? Just One go on just one? Even Sheikh Albaanis daughters have written books!
@@muhammadbenjuraij7734so my original observation was correct, you have had a bad experience with Deobandi scholars, so taking it out on a podcast that has not mentioned anything of the things you were wronged with. You said the Deobandis define muhaddith as someone who teaches Hadith, not someone who engages with isnad. Did the podcast say that? No, it's your experience. Which may or may not be true, but nothing to do with the topic. Yes, the podcast said one should check up the authenticity of hadith, you said where are Deobandis doing this? Where did the podcast say you must go to a Deobandi scholar? You have an issue with Deobandis dismissing arab scholarship, where has the podcast dismissed Arab scholarship. Half of the books reviewed have been Arabic. So, write an article complaining about your woes with Deobandis, but the fact remains you cannot find any problems with the podcast, but you are using your personal experiences to rant and rave like a maniac
This maulana if proving his ignorance by not realising the rejection of Khatim un nabieen by nanotwi. Maulana you should go learn some history and start reading works on how the Qadianis supported deoband due to this
So this was telling the world you from the deobandi school. Which is not an issue. The podcast just showed that you reviewed the book just to hit back at an individual you don't agree with. Absolute nothing regarding end of times I thought at the very least Imran hosein's approach was going to be compared with asrar rashid. I guess reading this you'll attempt it in the next podcast.
I don't understand how you can make this sectarian, when one of the biggest gripes in the podcast was against sectarianism. They even defended the Ahl Hadith scholar. Instead of these generic remarks, how about you acknowledge the major flaws within the book which makes the book very difficult to benefit from. How about at least acknowledging that Asrar Rashid was wrong to say what he said.
@@PouFriendsTV that's fine we can acknowledge that what was mentioned is or could be incorrect there no issue. Also on the same token can you accept the fact that the podcast and it's speaker are riled up by the comment and used the platform to hit back which is silly. They just gave the normal man exposer to such comments by qasim nanotiv whether agree or disagree isn't the issue the public don't need to know that. Just that section doesn't throw the book out. anyone can say anything about any book to critique doesn't become factual. One may look at a book from a paradigm and benefits another look at it from another paradigm and disagree with it
@@umarjawed9551from my listening of the podcast, I understood the following from the review of Asrar Rashid's book. They said that there was a positive discussion about cults in the book. He also said that the book laid a useful principle down that we cannot guarantee that any given Hadith is about a specific occurrence with certainty. It's time stamped 'positives of the book'. And what I understood from the negatives was that Asrar Rashid made no attempt to grade the Hadith. He also used sources that had very weak Hadith therein and he didn't highlight which are weak. This was a flaw in the whole book, which makes it difficult for the reader to use the book, because they cannot be sure which sources can be relied on and cannot. This has nothing to do with deoband, but makes the book discussions very problematic. Then is the point about Nanotvi. If you read the article in the description, the passage of Asrar is there. He states that the Wahhabis (Ahl Hadith and Deobandis) have had a long standing relationship with the qadianis. You do realize that the qadianis are deemed kuffar by sunni Muslims. That's like me writing a book and dedicating a chapter to 'Umar Javed and his relationship with the Jewish faith' or something to that affect, and then provide dubious sources, and then I am surprised that you make a big deal about it! You seem like a reasonable person, I'm sure you can see that the backlash and discussion of sectarianism was warranted. Also you missed the point about the Deobandi speaker defending the Ahl Hadith scholar.
@@umarjawed9551 lol, I thought you were reasonable and was hoping for a sensible response. But it seems you are either blinded by fanaticism or you're an idiot. Not sure what is worse. I provided a detailed response, and you rather than accepting that you are unable to respond, you claim insincerity on behalf of the podcast. Fear Allah, respond to the academic points or hush yourself.
The whole purpose of the podcast is to review the content in front of us. A citation of an article or book relevant to the study to the review of the book or the topic is not an endorsement of everything that person has said and written. If there is something within the article cited from Mufti Zameel which is wrong and requires correction, please inform us and we will be happy to distance ourselves from that mistake.
I had good hopes for this podcast since the first episode but not anymore. Unfortunately this review has many major mistakes and is objectively very biased against the book "Navigating the end of times" due the podcast's sectarian views. This is why they could only mention so few positives. And then they topped it up by referencing the Deobandi Zameelur, who is one of the major sectarian brothers, blinded to valid differences of opinions, has been known to misquote and selectively attack people. As for the view mentioned by the podcast that some of the Surahs are not tawqifi, this is a fundamental and basic mistake because it has been thoroughly refuted beyond any doubt by modern studies and research that show that all Surahs are tawqifi in terms of the order. If the brothers in the podcast are not aware of them then they should research and then issue an apology. As for mentioning by the podcast reviewer that a section is unnecessary due to the Hadiths being weak, this is a basic and fundamental mistake in the science of Hadith by the reviewer. Just because a Hadith is weak, it doesn't mean it is false or fabricated. Hadiths that are weak in isnad but come true are therefore strengthened due to the fulfilment of the prophecy, as mentioned by various Hadith scholars like Imam Suyuti. Restricting books to just authentic narrations about the end of times is a very blinkered way to look at the issue and actually harmful to Muslims because it is traditionally and methodologically unscholarly and means that Muslims may miss the signs. As for the Hadith in time 1 hour 3 mins that the reviewer deemed very weak and given as an "example" by the reviewer, that is laughable! That Hadith was also accepted by shaykh Hamza Yusuf with the same conclusion as the book's author i.e. referring to the group mentioned in the video.
Thanks for the feedback Just some comments in regards to the points you mentioned of concern. In terms of your concern with Mufti Zameel, then our citation of an article of any given person, is not an endorsement of everything they have written and said. If there is something in the cited article which is inaccurate, then please point it out, and we would distance ourselves from that mistake. The specific concern about the usage of weak hadith and it being proven because it is perceived that they have materialised, then this specific point was answered in the podcast. It is the duty of the author to explain the level of the weakness of any given hadith (because I am sure you would agree that there are degrees to weakness) then demonstrate how a given reality has shown that the slight weakness can be removed. If that was done, then we could move onto a discussion whether the methodology and it's application is correct. Before that, the major flaw in the book remains. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf also mentioning the hadith does not change the critique. There is an assumption that this critique is based on sectarian bias, but if you view the previous episode, you will see an attempt of fair critique in relation to the significance of the point was attempted. Citing a contemporary authority would not change the critique. As for the point of the surah order being tawqifi, then I cited that there is a difference of opinion and it was not highlighted. On a personal level I believe that the argument that all the surah order is tawqifi is not the stronger position. You claim this is a fundamental and basic mistake. And the position has been 'thoroughly refuted' by modern scholars. Suggesting that the opposing position, which has been mentioned in numerous ulum al-quran books, is invalid. Please provide references which you believe demonstrate this, and we will be happy to engage with it and show the other stance (which is also held by classical and modern scholars, as is the position of tawqifi). If your references demonstrate that, we will be happy to retract. It also should be noted, this was not a fundamental point that I made, it was explicitly mentioned as a secondary issue and one that I have no issue with holding. I hope this clarifies the concerns Dr Mawlana Zeeshan
@Imam Zakariya Academy thank you for the reply. I mentioned the Zameelur point because I've read many of his writings and noted him misquoting, being dishonest and fanatically sectarian e.g Where he attacked Berelvis for something that was actually a position of some of the Arab Awliya like shaykh Dabbagh. There are also articles online that show him misquoting and he didn't admit to his mistakes. I've read the article you referenced but have not looked at its references to see if he has misquoted again because I don't like to get into the Deobandi vs Berelvi debates so I can't comment on if he made mistakes there. I don't affiliate with any of those two camps. Note that the Qadiyanis openly quote and use Mawlana Qasim Nanotwi to justify their false prophet. You mentioned that Qadiyanis jumped on the bagwagon because they thought that he denied the finality but Qadiyanis actually explicitly quote him. The Qadiyanis need to be refuted. As for whether they are misquoting or not, I have not looked at it. I know that you said that he should've discussed his evidences for why he supported the weak hadiths but just a quick thing on the author having to explain his reasoning and also giving tahqiq of the Hadiths: please think about who the audience for the book is: is it scholars and academics or the laymen? The target audience affects your points. Not every book should be painted with the same brush. I don't think the absence of tahqiq is a major flaw here because the laymen are the target. Otherwise it will become a much longer work. As for your comments on Nu'aym, the majority of references in the book "Navigating end of times" are not from him. Fyi: I've removed my previous comment about tahqiq. As for the tawqifi debate: I'm aware of the classical debates on it and it was a valid ikhtilaf in the past. However, all the points against the tawqifi view can be easily refuted and the discoveries since the 20th century have overturned much of the anti-tawqifi views e.g. history and analysis of the Qur'anic manuscripts and the analyses of the structure and coherence of the Surahs etc (some aspects considered by Suyuti). I'm not aware of a detailed paper or book that brings them together unfortunately (either pro or anti-tawqifi). Note that scholars like Nur al-Din Itr supports the tawqifi view. Feedback for future episodes: avoid going into the Deobandi and Berelvi disputes. It appears very sectarian. In this case, you showed a very one sided view and mentioned only a few positives. Some other positives that I think of from the top of my head (I read it some time ago so can't remember everything) are that he brings very good analyses and clarity on the signs, it gives good context for various Hadiths, it provides a useful timeline etc. Instead, you focused the majority of your podcast on about 3 pages (the part about Deobandis) from a 400 page book and then you accused the author of sectarianism. That again showed your sectarian bias and unfairness unfortunately. I also recommend that you review Qadi Iyad's al-Shifa in this podcast because it doesn't look like many Deobandi scholars are aware of matters in that book nor have read it?
Thanks for the comments, in regard to the comments you have made 1) Again, I reiterate, I quote from various sources. Last episode I cited a book of a student of Sh Albani, this does not mean I support the person in everything they have written or said. My quoting of Mufti Zameel was simply about this article. I have not read everything Mufti Zameel has written, so if he was seen misquoting or whatever, I do not know. I can assure you, if in the future I see something he has written relevant to a topic being discussed, and I see he has misquoted, I will call him out insha’allah. Proof of this is the previous episode where we were critical of the encyclopaedia of Imam Abu Hanifah’s hadith, and the compiler is a senior Deoband madrasa graduate. 2) The point of Molana Qasim Nanotawi, which you are suggesting is a defence on sectarian grounds, note that I initially defended the implied remark about Sh Siddiq Hasan Khan. He is considered one of the founders of the modern Ahl-e Hadith movement (which would be referred to as Salafi as well). Surely, if sectarianism was the motive, I would have not defended someone from another camp. Furthermore, you said you haven’t looked into the topic, so you are not sure if the Qadianis had misquoted Ml Qasim or not, and you are not interested in this debate, then at the end of the podcast I advised for those not interested in polemics, then stay away. No need to have positions on the topic. 3) In regard to my critique of the hadiths of the book and the absence of tahqiq, I said the hadith were not graded. That is beyond Nu’aym Ibn Hammad’s kitab al-fitan. Kitab al-fitan was an example of a book relied upon a lot which was a major problem. As for your point, that this is a book for laymen, and it is not a big issue. My advice is, do not listen to my criticism (as I sense you do not trust what we say from your comments), please get hold of any student or expert of hadith. Someone who has studied ulum hadith to the level of understanding how to practically grade hadith and how to deal with weak hadith. Present to them what I have said, and your response. If they agree with you, fair enough, but I will be pretty confident they would agree that our criticism is very fair and justified. 4) So, that’s the defence of the major criticism against the book, the secondary issue which I accepted was a valid difference, was the point regarding the order of the surahs. I don’t understand your point about the discovery of manuscripts, as all manuscripts of the mushaf (save one) go back to the Uthmanic recension, which is in the tartib we have. That does not change the debate in any way. You cite Sh Nur al-Din ‘Itr and Imam Suyuti, please have a read of Sh ‘Abdullah al-Judai’s discussion in his al-Muqaddimat al-Asasiyyah fi Ulum al-Qur’an (p.131 onwards). I think he makes a compelling case and cites evidences that I did not see Sh Nur al-Din cite and respond to) from his book on ulum al-Qur’an. Maybe in a future episode we can detail the back and forth on this debate, but it is a secondary point to the current review. 5) Appreciate the feedback, but I believe it is misplaced. There is no need to avoid any discussions as long as the points are backed up and dealt with properly. The point about the book lacking any attempt to authenticate the narrations back to the Prophet (sallallahu’alayhi wa sallam) meant that it places a large cloud over the content and explanation of the whole book. So, unless he or someone can sieve through the book and grade them, then we would be at a better place to see the useful contribution in terms of his explanation. In terms of focus on those three pages, I have seen in your comments a lot of accusations that we have been bias and made mistakes, but I have not seen you accept that the book was wrong for what it said. I am pretty sure if I was to write an amazing book, but spend three pages saying that Ml Ahmad Ridha Khan or Sh Albani were shia (which is not true), the focus would rightly be on those three pages. This is my response to your comments, what my advice would be is for you to leave these polemical discussions because you said it does not interest you and nor have you read much about it. There is no need for you then to spend time writing messages about topics that does not interest you. Allah accept our efforts, make us sincere and forgive our shortcomings, amin. Dr Mawlana Zeeshan
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Molana zeeshan smashed it. In future can you do a podcast on how learned the deobandi ulema were in comparrison to the arab ulema and their contribution to uloom e hadith. Because it seems people are unaware of their contribution, hence modern day salafis speaks ill of them. But im sure the arabs in those days appreciated their works. Also can you do a book review on fadhaail A'maal, in terms of answering the claim made against it. whether the hadith are in it are mawdhoo' or not etc. Apart from that, must hand it to ml.zeeshan🎉
JazakAllah for your feedback. 👍
With all due respect I have to say that everything the Molana said was very very short sighted and from a rsnge of sight fixed exclusively to Deoband and Deobandi practices to the extent that all he sees is them.
Firstly there are no scholarly Islamic books in English unless translated from an Arabic original but even then its just a translation!So get this straight in your mind English might be the show off language of western academia BUT ITS NOTHING COMPARED TO ARABIC !
The language of Ilm, Scholarship and discourse between ulama IS ARABIC!
NOT URDU! NOT BANGLA! AND CERTAINLY NOT ENGLISH!!
And before some parot insults the Arabs and their ulama (I am not ethnically Arab however I am مستعرب) by saying they no longer speak real Arabic 😤then i will say this:
All Arab kids that go to school learn Modern standard Arabic which is classical Arabic but with all the new terminologies coined in all feilds of knowledge from the first three blessed generations until today! Terminology in Islamic sciences and Dunya sciences -because Arabic is a living language- terminology coined according to the strict rules of grammar and logic hence Modern standard Arabic has the exact same fixed grammatical rules and rules of morphology and pronunciation and writing hence a book of nahw written 1000 years ago is still an authority in its feild!
Ive never met an Arab who couldn't speak fusha Arabic!
Arabic is not just 100% preserved its amazingly protected despite the British government trying to bring it down from its captins seat for the last 300 years!!
The companions رضي الله عنهم strived in the path of Allah to root out any and ALL slang and banish it and rebuke all Authors of it!
MSA is the official language of the media, the TV news and news papers Al-Jazeera is a good example! Hundreds of thousands of books are written by students in the middle east at M.A or P.H.D level that are so good they're published something Deoband can only dream of except for Mufti Taki uthmaani حفظه الله and Badakhshaani and one or two others who have some talkheesat and hawaashi on important darsi books like Qudoori and Kaafiya but i can count these Sheikhs on one hand! And so these students/ sheikhs from which are female Sheikhahs like Kamilah kawaari who has writen some amazing books amongst which is: An Arabic sharh of Ibn Qudaamahs Junnatul Munaathir "Shield of the debator" in usoolul fiqh or her abridgement of a volumous sharh of rawdul murbi in Hanbali fiqh and many more in every science!! These Arab women scholars are writing far more books than Deoband today excluding mufti Taki because he has written some beneficial and relevant books of fiqh in Arabic!
And so Arabic is the king and Urdu and English in my view is for the beggars and common people!
The Arab Islamic universities are on fire with books being researched for the very first time from manuscripts with the researcher putting the book into print for the very first time!!! This has happened for many books in all different sciences and they're all graduation theses for M.A and Doctorate.
And so Deoband and its affiliated madaaris across the world are stuck in their ways and beliefs that Arabic is a dead language and no one has reached the scholarly level to write an Accademic Paper because the door of ijtihad is closed and all the other excuses given!!
This might be a positive from one angle because it isolates them from liberal messed up ideas like abandonment of the 4 schools of fiqh completely and the like but it has made them too isolated to the extent they are totally out of touch with the Arab ulama.
A Molana can earn a doctorate in Islamic studies from a non Muslim university but as ling as it was taught in English and either fully or partially by non Muslims then such degrees are worthless.
Molana Zeeshan needs to actually step outside and cross the road in order to see whats going on because the Arab ulama are thriving and so is the Arabic book industry!
Books talking about proofs should not be translated NEVERMIND be written from scratch in English!!
The general masses have no business reading such things because if they truly wanted to know then the path is infront of them!!
The first step is Arabic and its basic mastery and fluency which you MUST PASS or forget it! Urdu is not needed except for those whom urdu is their mother tongue during their study of Arabic.
As for Ahaadeeth narrated by meaning then such narrations are a minority as the majority are narrated exactly as they were heard!!
As for أشراط الساعة then the Arab ulama of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, yemen and Egypt and elsewhere have done full Tahqeeqaat of All the books of أشراط الساعة and السيرة and دلائل النبوّة and basically all the classical books in the various feilds of Islamic knowledge have been researched and now thanks to the Arab ulama and the musta'rab ulama like Al-Albaani رحمه الله and Asheikh Shuaib Arnaoot رحمه الله the science of Hadith verification was given new life which spread and became the standard norm that in the science of تخريج الحديث that this takhreej isn't just quoting the source of the hadith and its chains but also giving a hukm on the hadith so much so books without these Ahkaam and this authentication DO NOT sell at all!
My view is the only Islamic books in English that should be on sale is those essential books for a Muslim's fard ain! This is because I believe that learning Arabic is not a choice but rather its a sacred duty upon every Muslim! Imam Shafi gave this fatwa as did Imam Ibn Taymia and Imam Shaatibi رحمهم الله جميعاً all declared it obligatory upon every Muslim to learn as much Arabic as his circumstances permit!
Arabic is supposed to unite us as an ummah but when madaaris and ustaths continue to claim Arabic is dead and therefore Urdu is needed and they continue to spread false accusations to strengthen their point then this just maintains their current trajectory of going no where which is very Sad. Alhamdulillah there is one Deobandi madrasah in Pakistan called Binoria international and all its lessons are in very well spiken Arabic! The foreign representative of Binoria used to stay at my house whenever he would visit the UK on a charity collection run.
Deoband is great and it has ALOT of + points but it needs to step out and see the world again to form a fresh perspective.
As for Asrar Rashids books having no tahqeeq then Deobandi English books are just as guily because they do not have any scholars who can utilise the science of Hadith and of الجرح والتعديل and thats true of even the famous Deobandi Arabic Darsi books namely the well known commentaries on the 6 books and the 2 Muwattas because their are no rulings at all!! If I buy Deobandi sharhs of the sunnan then i try and get it in darul kutub ilmiyya print because their tahqeeqaat are usually quite good and normally always quote Al-Albaanis or Arnaoots Ahkam with precise refferences so i could easily find the full investigation in their originalworks. I bought إعلاء السنن and found the dar ktub tahqeeq very very helpful indeed! Whether you hate salafies or love is not the point because the point is Sheikh Albaani started a revolution an accademic research revolution that continues to contribute to this day! If we can just leave the sectarianism aside and focus on the common welfare of the Umma !
BarakAllah, brilliant and engaging Ma Sha Allah.
Fair analyses, open to critique, academic rigour, respectful naming.
Very much appreciated Alhamdulillah
JazakAllah Khair for your feedback
Next episode should definitely be on the big 3 groups of the Indian subcontinent. As a non-Indian subcontinentor, it would be nice to hear an impartial breakdown on each of the 3, their histories, and also their links to Shah Waliullah
Insha'Allah a number of books on a range of topics will be covered. This is a topic on our radar. Duas
Great podcast
JazakAllah.
بارك الله فيكم ونفع بكم
You guys are doing tullab a huge favour by critically reviewing recent publications. Allah azza wa jal reward you and keep you steadfast.
JazakAllah Khair for your feedback. 👍
Excellent stuff, I've just come across this podcast as a link was going around but I hope to see more of these scholarly podcasts inshaAllah.
More on the way InshaAllah. Share and subscribe.
It would be nice if you could bring on mufti Zuber and Moulana tayab onto the podcast.
InshaAllah
@@imamzakariyaacademy in the whole video you had not spoken about shaykh Imran Hosein his book: " Surah al-Kahf and the modern Age".
@@imamzakariyaacademy btw when will you bring shaykh Imran Hosein on the show ?.
Quite an engaging and enlightening discussion on how narrators work too, barakAllahu feekum
JazakAllah Khair for the feedback
Haha funny seeing you here Omran bhai.
The author you're looking for at 1:12:00 is Abdullah al Rabbat. Very knowledgeable and thorough scholar MashAllah
Consider the other book by the shaykh Islām answers atheism
At 55 minutes the cat is let out the bag about the fact "The End of Times" has hardly any critical assessment of the reports used, thus the book is fundamentally flawed...despite being around 400 pages long.
Excellent podcast Ma’sha’Allah!!
JazakAllah Khair
Masha'Allah excellent podcast
JazakAllah Khair
Found it very beneficial. مشا الله 👌
JazakAllah
Please keep uploading these amazing podcasts
InshaAllah
Another great episode ماشاء الله
JazakAllah Khair for watching.
Very interesting discussion on Nuaym Ibn Hamaads compilation.
JazakAllah khair
JazakAllah for your feedback
Maulana Zeshan smashed it once again💯
May Allah grant him barakah. Ameen
@ molana zeeshan. Have you written about al-Hujja 'Ala ahl Al-Madinah? If so, where is it available?
There was an initial plan made out on writing about it. But it was delayed due to other projects.
The study has restarted, so will give a heads-up when finished insha'Allah. Duas
Really nice discussion - found it very neutral and open, surprised at one or two of the comments here, why do some people get so triggered over classical ikhtilaafi points?
An objective person who has read the book and is knowledgeable of the Islamic tradition will realise how biased this "book review" is. Furthermore, an objective observer wouldn't find inaccurate and inappropriate accusations of mistakes by this review to be acceptablr.
Obviously the particans of each group will find that they are not biased so they will find this video as fair and they don't care about the truth. They just like what feeds their group.
The reviewer admits to not knowing much about the author yet labels him as "Berelvi", a sectarian label. The author actually says he isn't Berelvi because he studied under Arab ulama and follows them.
@@asadaldin3373 I have read your messages and I can see you commenting without having read stuff, so, not really getting your point here. And still trying to figure out why some get so triggered...beggers belief.
JazakAllah Khair for your feedback. Appreciated
At 54min 30 sec talking about importance of authentic/grading hadeeth,
Would that mean the ihya by ghazali is problematic etc
‘Mini-Mihnah’ taking place
That part had me cracking up ha ha
"They all rid raf' al yadayn together" dying rn 🤣
When is the next podcast gonna be out??
It's out now.
It's like watching a parrot in a library, squawking about the books it's too peckish to read, isn't it?
They'd have you believe they can defame the scholarly tome of Shaykh Asrar with the same ease they might a tweet, but alas, their feathers are no match for the ink of wisdom.
Lol, is this meant to be some wise take😂
How about dealing with the content of the review rather than whatever this is that you wrote.
maa shaa Allah need to know where Ml Zeeshan gets his topis from
Great question. Pakistan 🇵🇰
Maybe I missed it but I didn't hear them mention the review of Imran Hosein's works/ideas (?) Is that going to be in next? jazakum Allahu khair
This will take place in one of the episodes soon Insha’Allah
@@imamzakariyaacademy Allahumma baarik lakum. I was referred to your podcast by a student of knowledge and I am enjoying the logic/rationality, reasonability, and fairness that is being presented. Love across the pond. 🤝
In the whole video you had not spoken about shaykh Imran Hosein his book :"Surah al-Kahf and the modern Age"..
This will take place in another podcast InshaAllah.
Could please link the other book review podcast of shiekh Omar you mentioned in the beginning.
I'm having trouble finding it.
جزاکم الله خيرا
m.ruclips.net/video/O3X6Mp7Vb5g/видео.html&pp=ygUNb21hciBhbmNoYXNzaQ%3D%3D
Our latest podcast is on this topic.
جزاکم الله خيرا
ماشاء اللہ
Has Mufti Zameel released the article refuting asrar rashid's position in this book?
Jazakallah for sharing ❤
JazakAllah for watching
Quick question. From what I have learnt, tahqeeq of Hadith only needs to be done in Aqeedah & Hadith. In Fiqh Less so & then lower than that it’s less important. There are many many books of the Ulama that use weak & even fabricated Hadith to explain something without tahqeeq. Ihya Uloom Din being one of many.
Good question
Authentic hadith are a condition for establishing ahkaam and aqeedah, and the rules get relaxed (not done away with) when it comes to other fields such as virtuous of actions, historical events that don't impact ahkaam and aqeedah.
But the usage of weak and fabricated hadith without any attempt to differentiate between them, and to reference them to the Prophet (saws) without clarifying is a major shortcoming. Weak hadith can be used selectively with conditions, which have been detailed by numerous scholars.
Ihya' ulum al-Din is a good example, as one of the criticism against the book was his usage of hadith without much verification. Therefore, scholars like 'Iraqi came along and did takhrij of the book.
The reason why there is less an excuse now to do so is because most of these books of hadith have some form of grading on them, and the books of rijaal are easily accessible. So, a precedent of previous scholars doing something similar would not justify going against the established rules.
@@imamzakariyaacademy barakallahu feek. If I may counter this, weak is not fabricated, so that distinction needs to be made. Attributing a weak Hadith is not necessarily problematic, for example Yaseen being the heart of the Quran. We attribute it to the Prophet. However, it's advice is to recite Quran which agrees with the ethos of the Sunnah and is agreement with other Hadith so we allow it.
If we were to throw out all fabricated Hadith then many books of Sunnah would be thrown out. Musnad Imam Ahmed, Mustadrak, even few Hadith from Ibn Majah.
In regards to Ihya, 2000/3800 Hadith are found in the Sahihayn. The rest are scattered throughout, Musnad imam Ahmed, Ibn Khuzaimah, Ibn Hibaan. All of the Hadith that are mentioned are found in the Risalahs of Al Hafiz Ibn Abi Dunya.
Secondly, Hafiz Iraqi never said that there were fabricated Hadith in the Ihya. He instead wrote that there were only a few Hadith which ‘he didn’t find a primary reference for’. This does not mean they were Mawdu’, he just didn’t know.
Before him, Taj Al Din subki did Takhrij of it & found 928 Hadith without a reference. Thereafter, Hafidh Iraqi supplemented it & did Takhrij & found only 200 without a primary reference. After him, Ibn Qutlubugha came & found majority of the primary references that Iraqi did not find. Then Imam Murtadha Ibn Zabidi came & found the last remaining primary references besides a small number. Shaykh Anas Al Shurfawi (contemporary) came & then found all the primary sources for Ihya except 20.
Thirdly, Imam Ghazali followed his teacher Imam Juwayni who said “it’s permissible to do Taqlid of Hadith” meaning if an imam narrates a Hadith & says it has an authentic primary source then it’s permissible to follow him.
Therefore, if shaykh Asrar Rashid has a primary source for these ahaadith, which he does have. Then it’s permissible to follow him on these ahaadith. Imam Dhahabi may say kitab al fitan is weak or fabricated but there are other Imams who have disagreed with him on that. Either way, I hope what I have mentioned makes sense inshallah.
@@tmz1428Jazakallah Khayr
But I think you are missing my point. The claim is not that weak and fabricated are the same. A rejected hadith has levels, and depending on the levels one would decide to which degree we can rely on any given hadith. But the absence of any attempt to distinguish between weak, very weak and fabricated is the problem.
The example you cited, that Surah Yasin being the heart of the Qur’an, which is found in the Sunan Tirmidhi, has been graded as weak. Tirmidhi when citing it states Hasan Gharib (although some editions of the Sunan doesn’t mention the word Hasan) but mentions problems with the chain. Other Hadith scholars have given a much harsher ruling. If someone cites Tirmidhi’s grading as found in the published editions and then says what you said, that it coincides with the ethos of Islam, I would not object to you. Even if I think the harsher ruling on the hadith may be more correct, because you have made an attempt to cite an earlier authority grading the hadith. So, taqlid here is fine for the person who does not know the field or is simply relying on an authority. But the mere mention of a Hadith in a book where the author does not authenticate the Hadith, one cannot accept that as authentic by the mere mention. Any position to the contrary will result in absurdities.
I’m not sure I understand your point about ‘throwing out all fabricated hadith’ would require throwing away many Hadith books. There are two problems with what I think you are saying, the hadith books like Musnad Ahmad, Mustadrak of Hakim etc are primary sources that mention the full chain. In a primary source which is listing Hadith with the full chain, then they are not required to grade the hadith, as they have shown us their sources. BUT if one is citing one such report which is fabricated without the chain, or citing with the chain but using it to make a point, then it becomes necessary for them to inform us that it is fabricated. Of course, many students and laypeople don’t know how to differentiate an authentic hadith from weak or fabricated hadith, therefore we tell them to abstain from directly citing from Mustadrak Hakim etc which I’m sure you would agree with. At the end of your post you suggest that a primary source makes it permissible for one to follow those hadith, but then you accept that primary sources have fabricated hadith? We are allowed to follow fabricated hadith if they come in primary sources??
The case of Asrar Rashid’s book is that he largely makes no attempt to explain the grading of the hadith. Therefore, I did look at some of his referencing and citations, then there are hadith that are seriously problematic, cases of a mawquf hadith presented in the book as marfu’. I am happy to provide examples, but sufficed with the Nu’aym Ibn Hammad point, as it was one of the glaring shortcomings. And again the point about the Kitab al-Fitan was misunderstood. I did not cite from Dhahabi to say the book should not be used, but that there has to be much more care it is used with. Other scholars citing from the book makes no difference to my argument. Unless you can show that those scholars disagreed with Dhahabi and believed that the whole book or the vast majority is Sahih. I’m not aware of anyone saying that.
The discussion about the Ihya’ is a topic for a future podcast insha’allah, and what you have mentioned does not have anything to do with what we are discussing. The only thing I will add is that there are Hadith in the Ihya which have been graded by very weak and some of them have issues that could even make them fabricated. You will agree that the usage of the Ihya’ without using any of these takhrij books should be done with great care.
@@imamzakariyaacademy Barakallahu feek. I understand your point better now. I will carry on learning & delve into it more inshallah.
Oh no deobandis are burning from shaykh Asrar book. Lol
Appreciate the critical feedback
Isnt it also intellectually dishonest to claim there is only three groups in the Indian Sub?
Whilst we know for a fact it wasnt just the baraylawis calling deobandis wahhabi, South Indian Shafi scholars till this day do that. Not to mention mutiple groups all unrelated to Imam Ahmad Rida, like the family line of Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi, the family of Pir Mehr Ali Shah and all others.
Jazakallah khayr, the wording used was 'there are three major strands', which is accurate. Claim was not that there are only three strands.
But what you mentioned is correct there are many groups that do not fit into or have a their own scholarly liniege. Next episode will delve into this, as the author of one of the books being reviewed is one such Indian scholar.
Deobandis gonna Deobandi.
With all due respect I have to say that everything the Molana said was very very short sighted and from a rsnge of sight fixed exclusively to Deoband and Deobandi practices to the extent that all he sees is them.
Firstly there are no scholarly Islamic books in English unless translated from an Arabic original but even then its just a translation!So get this straight in your mind English might be the show off language of western academia BUT ITS NOTHING COMPARED TO ARABIC !
The language of Ilm, Scholarship and discourse between ulama IS ARABIC!
NOT URDU! NOT BANGLA! AND CERTAINLY NOT ENGLISH!!
And before some parot insults the Arabs and their ulama (I am not ethnically Arab however I am مستعرب) by saying they no longer speak real Arabic 😤then i will say this:
All Arab kids that go to school learn Modern standard Arabic which is classical Arabic but with all the new terminologies coined in all feilds of knowledge from the first three blessed generations until today! Terminology in Islamic sciences and Dunya sciences -because Arabic is a living language- terminology coined according to the strict rules of grammar and logic hence Modern standard Arabic has the exact same fixed grammatical rules and rules of morphology and pronunciation and writing hence a book of nahw written 1000 years ago is still an authority in its feild!
Ive never met an Arab who couldn't speak fusha Arabic!
Arabic is not just 100% preserved its amazingly protected despite the British government trying to bring it down from its captins seat for the last 300 years!!
The companions رضي الله عنهم strived in the path of Allah to root out any and ALL slang and banish it and rebuke all Authors of it!
MSA is the official language of the media, the TV news and news papers Al-Jazeera is a good example! Hundreds of thousands of books are written by students in the middle east at M.A or P.H.D level that are so good they're published something Deoband can only dream of except for Mufti Taki uthmaani حفظه الله and Badakhshaani and one or two others who have some talkheesat and hawaashi on important darsi books like Qudoori and Kaafiya but i can count these Sheikhs on one hand! And so these students/ sheikhs from which are female Sheikhahs like Kamilah kawaari who has writen some amazing books amongst which is: An Arabic sharh of Ibn Qudaamahs Junnatul Munaathir "Shield of the debator" in usoolul fiqh or her abridgement of a volumous sharh of rawdul murbi in Hanbali fiqh and many more in every science!! These Arab women scholars are writing far more books than Deoband today excluding mufti Taki because he has written some beneficial and relevant books of fiqh in Arabic!
And so Arabic is the king and Urdu and English in my view is for the beggars and common people!
The Arab Islamic universities are on fire with books being researched for the very first time from manuscripts with the researcher putting the book into print for the very first time!!! This has happened for many books in all different sciences and they're all graduation theses for M.A and Doctorate.
And so Deoband and its affiliated madaaris across the world are stuck in their ways and beliefs that Arabic is a dead language and no one has reached the scholarly level to write an Accademic Paper because the door of ijtihad is closed and all the other excuses given!!
This might be a positive from one angle because it isolates them from liberal messed up ideas like abandonment of the 4 schools of fiqh completely and the like but it has made them too isolated to the extent they are totally out of touch with the Arab ulama.
A Molana can earn a doctorate in Islamic studies from a non Muslim university but as ling as it was taught in English and either fully or partially by non Muslims then such degrees are worthless.
Molana Zeeshan needs to actually step outside and cross the road in order to see whats going on because the Arab ulama are thriving and so is the Arabic book industry!
Books talking about proofs should not be translated NEVERMIND be written from scratch in English!!
The general masses have no business reading such things because if they truly wanted to know then the path is infront of them!!
The first step is Arabic and its basic mastery and fluency which you MUST PASS or forget it! Urdu is not needed except for those whom urdu is their mother tongue during their study of Arabic.
As for Ahaadeeth narrated by meaning then such narrations are a minority as the majority are narrated exactly as they were heard!!
As for أشراط الساعة then the Arab ulama of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, yemen and Egypt and elsewhere have done full Tahqeeqaat of All the books of أشراط الساعة and السيرة and دلائل النبوّة and basically all the classical books in the various feilds of Islamic knowledge have been researched and now thanks to the Arab ulama and the musta'rab ulama like Al-Albaani رحمه الله and Asheikh Shuaib Arnaoot رحمه الله the science of Hadith verification was given new life which spread and became the standard norm that in the science of تخريج الحديث that this takhreej isn't just quoting the source of the hadith and its chains but also giving a hukm on the hadith so much so books without these Ahkaam and this authentication DO NOT sell at all!
My view is the only Islamic books in English that should be on sale is those essential books for a Muslim's fard ain! This is because I believe that learning Arabic is not a choice but rather its a sacred duty upon every Muslim! Imam Shafi gave this fatwa as did Imam Ibn Taymia and Imam Shaatibi رحمهم الله جميعاً all declared it obligatory upon every Muslim to learn as much Arabic as his circumstances permit!
Arabic is supposed to unite us as an ummah but when madaaris and ustaths continue to claim Arabic is dead and therefore Urdu is needed and they continue to spread false accusations to strengthen their point then this just maintains their current trajectory of going no where which is very Sad. Alhamdulillah there is one Deobandi madrasah in Pakistan called Binoria international and all its lessons are in very well spiken Arabic! The foreign representative of Binoria used to stay at my house whenever he would visit the UK on a charity collection run.
Deoband is great and it has ALOT of + points but it needs to step out and see the world again to form a fresh perspective.
As for Asrar Rashids books having no tahqeeq then Deobandi English books are just as guily because they do not have any scholars who can utilise the science of Hadith and of الجرح والتعديل and thats true of even the famous Deobandi Arabic Darsi books namely the well known commentaries on the 6 books and the 2 Muwattas because their are no rulings at all!! If I buy Deobandi sharhs of the sunnan then i try and get it in darul kutub ilmiyya print because their tahqeeqaat are usually quite good and normally always quote Al-Albaanis or Arnaoots Ahkam with precise refferences so i could easily find the full investigation in their originalworks. I bought إعلاء السنن and found the dar ktub tahqeeq very very helpful indeed! Whether you hate salafies or love is not the point because the point is Sheikh Albaani started a revolution an accademic research revolution that continues to contribute to this day! If we can just leave the sectarianism aside and focus on the common welfare of the Umma
You have seriously lost the plot. I saw your comments on the other video as well, and you are ranting and raving about points that have nothing to do with the podcast.
I've heard both podcasts, there has been no mention of Deoband and their contribution to Hadith. To the contrary this podcast makes it clear that many of the books of Hadith have been annotated with takhrij and tahqiq, and one should use those when citing Hadith.
You need to get some help and humble yourself, where does Sh Albani, Sh Arna'ut or anyone have anything to do with what is being discussed. It seems you have been a victim of some sort and choose RUclips comments section to lash out on random enemies that don't exist.
Like the stupid comment that bring me one full takhrij and tahqiq of the Sunan as a sign for someone to be a muhaddith. What an idiotic comment, who has ever made that a standard for a muhaddith. Honestly, get off RUclips comments and seek help.
@@PouFriendsTV you clearly dont know what you are talking about!
A Muhadith is an expert in Hadith is it not! Well in Deobandi circles this is restricted to explanation of the hadith otherwise you would of brought that one book wouldn't you???
My Rant is well deserved because for 20 years Ive suffered snd seen others suffer at the Urdu extremism in Deoband and their claims to know it all whilst bizarrely not knowing anything because ijtihaad is dead!!
I say they should speak for themselves and not everyone!
Its true they dont mention Deoband much but i have a long history with Deoband one that has created a great respect on one hand and a great frustration on the other!
When I see people biging up India it reminds me of all the slanders I heard against the Arabs and quite frankly im sick of it!
Deobandi molanas cannot tell you if a Hadith is saheeh or not they just can't! They cant speak Arabic either because Arabic is dead according to them they have to teach the Arabs Arabic!
So you're obviously an Alimah graduated with your watered down course and You are upset because i dissed your sacred language Urdu!!
Humility has nothing to do with this because its not sbout me is it!!
You and your fellow Deobandi graduates should humble yourselves before the Arab ulama and Arabic because not all Arsb ulama are Saudis!!
The amount of times i went to Deobandi molanas with questions they couldn't answer about hadith!
They do have a beautiful hadith tradition hence i have all their darsi books but they are NOT Muhadithoon in the real sense of the word!!
Sheikh Albaani is the one primarily responsible for the current state of things when it comes to Tahqeeq because now a book wont sell if it doesn't have proper takhreej! If youve studied ilmu takhreej then you will know that today proper takhreej includes giving Ahkham which requires ijtihaad! Oh but hang on a mo jo ijtihad is dead and how dare Albaani يصحّح ويضعّف who does he think he is ibn hajr!!!
Because this is all ive heard from Deobandis! Boasting and putting down the Arabs!!
I left Deoband when i did Hajj many years ago now. I went with a group of molanas but the funny thing was I ended up being a translator to the very same molanas that told me Arabs cant speak Arabic anymore and that Arabic is now a dead language and so very upset by this slander I grabbed every educated Arab i could find and spoke to them in Fusha and afterwards I said to them did you hear any slang? Mistakes in إعراب? The answer was a sheepish no!!
So yes perceptive of you I do feel wronged somewhat because urdu was made incumbent on me and conditional to graduating and i refused! I fortunately found Arab ulama and did graduate but no thanks to the Urdu extremist!
When someone tries to philosophise with me as to why Urdu is better for teaching thats when I know something is seriously wrong!
You might of listened to both talks as did I but the difference is I understand what wasn't explicitly said!!
Islam is NOT Deoband!!! Deobandis are not the only ones striving for Deen! And the Arabs Alhamdulillah are not all lost and they certainly dont need indians to come rescue them!
Like i said Deobandis graduate with Asaaneed for the books of dawrah hadith but not مصطلح الحديث and not all the books of fiqh and nahw and logic because that is primarily preserved by the Arab Ulama and those who study under them!
The fact of the matter is Deoband has done great things but im afraid they failed me when it came to ilm.
When i did hajj I bought الكافي وجُنّة المُناظر both for Ibn Qudaamah رحمه الله from a tiny bookshop next to the Haram and I did dua in front of the Kabah with them in my hands begging Allah to connect me with the Hanabilah and my dua was it seems accepted however now there are many others suffering the same thing and I think its wrong the same way I think banning women from the Masjid is wrong! Not because im a liberal modernist but because the Prophet ﷺ forbade such a thing and before my wife left this world رحمها الله it would of been great to go to the Masjid as a family of course with complete segregation and entrances and this over strictness causes other problems aswell because it gives my people a distorted view of the Deen! Might not mean much to you because they're not your people but im afraid it does mean alot to me!
Deobandis need to stop boasting and bigging up their scholars as Muhadithoon just because they've explained Bukhaari a number of times!
The one chance they got to show their skill they chose to trample on the feet of the muhaditheen and I mean thereby the book إعلاء السنن wherein he plays around with the science of Hadith to declare the weak as saheeh and vice versa!
Its an amazing book for wanting to understand the Hanafi school but its disappointing when someone cannot overcome their bias something that all the great ulama did from all the mathaahib anyone who reads Ibn Hajrs or Nawawis books or Ibn alArabi the maaliki or Al-Qurubi or Ashaatibi or Ibn Taymia رحمهم الله can see this clearly!
You say i need help well this is self help by exposing the false claims of certain people!
So let me just ask is it good to insist on Urdu in the uk madaaris?
Do you believe the Arabs cant speak Arabic anymore?
The answers will be enlightening im sure!
@@PouFriendsTV go to 30.00 onwards where he says if your not even bothered with authenticity then...
Thats my whole point DEOBAND DOESN'T CARE ABOUT AUTHENTICITY!!
Because as is the case in إعلاء السنن the science of hadith is twisted to make their proofs strong!!
Its not about objectivity its about pure conformity to the Hanafi school!
Conformity to the Hanafi school is not a problem infact its the standard norm for layman hanafis. The problem is that when a hanafi becomes an expert in Hadith criticism then he or she must leave their mathab at the door until they've finished so that it doesn't influence them!
You watched two podcasts and didn't understand a thing! Theres more to just ألفاظ theres مفاهيم and دلالات and considering its a Hanafi book review i think my comments are totally appropriate!!
Another Question seens that Deoband is so so great then please name me one Deobandi Aalimah who has written anything noteworthy in Arabic? Just One go on just one?
Even Sheikh Albaanis daughters have written books!
@@muhammadbenjuraij7734so my original observation was correct, you have had a bad experience with Deobandi scholars, so taking it out on a podcast that has not mentioned anything of the things you were wronged with.
You said the Deobandis define muhaddith as someone who teaches Hadith, not someone who engages with isnad. Did the podcast say that? No, it's your experience. Which may or may not be true, but nothing to do with the topic.
Yes, the podcast said one should check up the authenticity of hadith, you said where are Deobandis doing this? Where did the podcast say you must go to a Deobandi scholar?
You have an issue with Deobandis dismissing arab scholarship, where has the podcast dismissed Arab scholarship. Half of the books reviewed have been Arabic.
So, write an article complaining about your woes with Deobandis, but the fact remains you cannot find any problems with the podcast, but you are using your personal experiences to rant and rave like a maniac
@@PouFriendsTV dont tell me you liked your own comment 🤣😂🤣...
This maulana if proving his ignorance by not realising the rejection of Khatim un nabieen by nanotwi. Maulana you should go learn some history and start reading works on how the Qadianis supported deoband due to this
So this was telling the world you from the deobandi school. Which is not an issue.
The podcast just showed that you reviewed the book just to hit back at an individual you don't agree with. Absolute nothing regarding end of times I thought at the very least Imran hosein's approach was going to be compared with asrar rashid.
I guess reading this you'll attempt it in the next podcast.
I don't understand how you can make this sectarian, when one of the biggest gripes in the podcast was against sectarianism. They even defended the Ahl Hadith scholar.
Instead of these generic remarks, how about you acknowledge the major flaws within the book which makes the book very difficult to benefit from. How about at least acknowledging that Asrar Rashid was wrong to say what he said.
@@PouFriendsTV that's fine we can acknowledge that what was mentioned is or could be incorrect there no issue. Also on the same token can you accept the fact that the podcast and it's speaker are riled up by the comment and used the platform to hit back which is silly. They just gave the normal man exposer to such comments by qasim nanotiv whether agree or disagree isn't the issue the public don't need to know that.
Just that section doesn't throw the book out. anyone can say anything about any book to critique doesn't become factual. One may look at a book from a paradigm and benefits another look at it from another paradigm and disagree with it
@@umarjawed9551from my listening of the podcast, I understood the following from the review of Asrar Rashid's book.
They said that there was a positive discussion about cults in the book. He also said that the book laid a useful principle down that we cannot guarantee that any given Hadith is about a specific occurrence with certainty. It's time stamped 'positives of the book'.
And what I understood from the negatives was that Asrar Rashid made no attempt to grade the Hadith. He also used sources that had very weak Hadith therein and he didn't highlight which are weak. This was a flaw in the whole book, which makes it difficult for the reader to use the book, because they cannot be sure which sources can be relied on and cannot. This has nothing to do with deoband, but makes the book discussions very problematic.
Then is the point about Nanotvi. If you read the article in the description, the passage of Asrar is there. He states that the Wahhabis (Ahl Hadith and Deobandis) have had a long standing relationship with the qadianis. You do realize that the qadianis are deemed kuffar by sunni Muslims. That's like me writing a book and dedicating a chapter to 'Umar Javed and his relationship with the Jewish faith' or something to that affect, and then provide dubious sources, and then I am surprised that you make a big deal about it!
You seem like a reasonable person, I'm sure you can see that the backlash and discussion of sectarianism was warranted. Also you missed the point about the Deobandi speaker defending the Ahl Hadith scholar.
Thanks for agreeing, it was backlash as my original point
#insincerepodcast
@@umarjawed9551 lol, I thought you were reasonable and was hoping for a sensible response. But it seems you are either blinded by fanaticism or you're an idiot. Not sure what is worse.
I provided a detailed response, and you rather than accepting that you are unable to respond, you claim insincerity on behalf of the podcast. Fear Allah, respond to the academic points or hush yourself.
The qadianis supported deobandis in their claim on Gulam mirza qadiani. Go learn history
Reference?
Talking about sectarianism and then you reference zamil, an extreme mutassib deobandi.
The deo bias is real unfortunately.
How do you define ta’assub and how does this apply to Zameel?
There's always one
The whole purpose of the podcast is to review the content in front of us. A citation of an article or book relevant to the study to the review of the book or the topic is not an endorsement of everything that person has said and written.
If there is something within the article cited from Mufti Zameel which is wrong and requires correction, please inform us and we will be happy to distance ourselves from that mistake.
I had good hopes for this podcast since the first episode but not anymore. Unfortunately this review has many major mistakes and is objectively very biased against the book "Navigating the end of times" due the podcast's sectarian views. This is why they could only mention so few positives. And then they topped it up by referencing the Deobandi Zameelur, who is one of the major sectarian brothers, blinded to valid differences of opinions, has been known to misquote and selectively attack people.
As for the view mentioned by the podcast that some of the Surahs are not tawqifi, this is a fundamental and basic mistake because it has been thoroughly refuted beyond any doubt by modern studies and research that show that all Surahs are tawqifi in terms of the order. If the brothers in the podcast are not aware of them then they should research and then issue an apology.
As for mentioning by the podcast reviewer that a section is unnecessary due to the Hadiths being weak, this is a basic and fundamental mistake in the science of Hadith by the reviewer. Just because a Hadith is weak, it doesn't mean it is false or fabricated. Hadiths that are weak in isnad but come true are therefore strengthened due to the fulfilment of the prophecy, as mentioned by various Hadith scholars like Imam Suyuti. Restricting books to just authentic narrations about the end of times is a very blinkered way to look at the issue and actually harmful to Muslims because it is traditionally and methodologically unscholarly and means that Muslims may miss the signs.
As for the Hadith in time 1 hour 3 mins that the reviewer deemed very weak and given as an "example" by the reviewer, that is laughable! That Hadith was also accepted by shaykh Hamza Yusuf with the same conclusion as the book's author i.e. referring to the group mentioned in the video.
So you have no substantial critique of the review, just an ad hominem.
Add.: So you added some points of critique in an edit to your post.
Thanks for the feedback
Just some comments in regards to the points you mentioned of concern. In terms of your concern with Mufti Zameel, then our citation of an article of any given person, is not an endorsement of everything they have written and said. If there is something in the cited article which is inaccurate, then please point it out, and we would distance ourselves from that mistake.
The specific concern about the usage of weak hadith and it being proven because it is perceived that they have materialised, then this specific point was answered in the podcast. It is the duty of the author to explain the level of the weakness of any given hadith (because I am sure you would agree that there are degrees to weakness) then demonstrate how a given reality has shown that the slight weakness can be removed. If that was done, then we could move onto a discussion whether the methodology and it's application is correct. Before that, the major flaw in the book remains. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf also mentioning the hadith does not change the critique. There is an assumption that this critique is based on sectarian bias, but if you view the previous episode, you will see an attempt of fair critique in relation to the significance of the point was attempted. Citing a contemporary authority would not change the critique.
As for the point of the surah order being tawqifi, then I cited that there is a difference of opinion and it was not highlighted. On a personal level I believe that the argument that all the surah order is tawqifi is not the stronger position.
You claim this is a fundamental and basic mistake. And the position has been 'thoroughly refuted' by modern scholars. Suggesting that the opposing position, which has been mentioned in numerous ulum al-quran books, is invalid. Please provide references which you believe demonstrate this, and we will be happy to engage with it and show the other stance (which is also held by classical and modern scholars, as is the position of tawqifi). If your references demonstrate that, we will be happy to retract.
It also should be noted, this was not a fundamental point that I made, it was explicitly mentioned as a secondary issue and one that I have no issue with holding.
I hope this clarifies the concerns
Dr Mawlana Zeeshan
@Imam Zakariya Academy thank you for the reply. I mentioned the Zameelur point because I've read many of his writings and noted him misquoting, being dishonest and fanatically sectarian e.g
Where he attacked Berelvis for something that was actually a position of some of the Arab Awliya like shaykh Dabbagh. There are also articles online that show him misquoting and he didn't admit to his mistakes. I've read the article you referenced but have not looked at its references to see if he has misquoted again because I don't like to get into the Deobandi vs Berelvi debates so I can't comment on if he made mistakes there. I don't affiliate with any of those two camps. Note that the Qadiyanis openly quote and use Mawlana Qasim Nanotwi to justify their false prophet. You mentioned that Qadiyanis jumped on the bagwagon because they thought that he denied the finality but Qadiyanis actually explicitly quote him. The Qadiyanis need to be refuted. As for whether they are misquoting or not, I have not looked at it.
I know that you said that he should've discussed his evidences for why he supported the weak hadiths but just a quick thing on the author having to explain his reasoning and also giving tahqiq of the Hadiths: please think about who the audience for the book is: is it scholars and academics or the laymen? The target audience affects your points. Not every book should be painted with the same brush. I don't think the absence of tahqiq is a major flaw here because the laymen are the target. Otherwise it will become a much longer work.
As for your comments on Nu'aym, the majority of references in the book "Navigating end of times" are not from him. Fyi: I've removed my previous comment about tahqiq.
As for the tawqifi debate: I'm aware of the classical debates on it and it was a valid ikhtilaf in the past. However, all the points against the tawqifi view can be easily refuted and the discoveries since the 20th century have overturned much of the anti-tawqifi views e.g. history and analysis of the Qur'anic manuscripts and the analyses of the structure and coherence of the Surahs etc (some aspects considered by Suyuti). I'm not aware of a detailed paper or book that brings them together unfortunately (either pro or anti-tawqifi). Note that scholars like Nur al-Din Itr supports the tawqifi view.
Feedback for future episodes: avoid going into the Deobandi and Berelvi disputes. It appears very sectarian. In this case, you showed a very one sided view and mentioned only a few positives. Some other positives that I think of from the top of my head (I read it some time ago so can't remember everything) are that he brings very good analyses and clarity on the signs, it gives good context for various Hadiths, it provides a useful timeline etc. Instead, you focused the majority of your podcast on about 3 pages (the part about Deobandis) from a 400 page book and then you accused the author of sectarianism. That again showed your sectarian bias and unfairness unfortunately.
I also recommend that you review Qadi Iyad's al-Shifa in this podcast because it doesn't look like many Deobandi scholars are aware of matters in that book nor have read it?
Thanks for the comments, in regard to the comments you have made
1) Again, I reiterate, I quote from various sources. Last episode I cited a book of a student of Sh Albani, this does not mean I support the person in everything they have written or said. My quoting of Mufti Zameel was simply about this article. I have not read everything Mufti Zameel has written, so if he was seen misquoting or whatever, I do not know. I can assure you, if in the future I see something he has written relevant to a topic being discussed, and I see he has misquoted, I will call him out insha’allah. Proof of this is the previous episode where we were critical of the encyclopaedia of Imam Abu Hanifah’s hadith, and the compiler is a senior Deoband madrasa graduate.
2) The point of Molana Qasim Nanotawi, which you are suggesting is a defence on sectarian grounds, note that I initially defended the implied remark about Sh Siddiq Hasan Khan. He is considered one of the founders of the modern Ahl-e Hadith movement (which would be referred to as Salafi as well). Surely, if sectarianism was the motive, I would have not defended someone from another camp. Furthermore, you said you haven’t looked into the topic, so you are not sure if the Qadianis had misquoted Ml Qasim or not, and you are not interested in this debate, then at the end of the podcast I advised for those not interested in polemics, then stay away. No need to have positions on the topic.
3) In regard to my critique of the hadiths of the book and the absence of tahqiq, I said the hadith were not graded. That is beyond Nu’aym Ibn Hammad’s kitab al-fitan. Kitab al-fitan was an example of a book relied upon a lot which was a major problem. As for your point, that this is a book for laymen, and it is not a big issue. My advice is, do not listen to my criticism (as I sense you do not trust what we say from your comments), please get hold of any student or expert of hadith. Someone who has studied ulum hadith to the level of understanding how to practically grade hadith and how to deal with weak hadith. Present to them what I have said, and your response. If they agree with you, fair enough, but I will be pretty confident they would agree that our criticism is very fair and justified.
4) So, that’s the defence of the major criticism against the book, the secondary issue which I accepted was a valid difference, was the point regarding the order of the surahs. I don’t understand your point about the discovery of manuscripts, as all manuscripts of the mushaf (save one) go back to the Uthmanic recension, which is in the tartib we have. That does not change the debate in any way. You cite Sh Nur al-Din ‘Itr and Imam Suyuti, please have a read of Sh ‘Abdullah al-Judai’s discussion in his al-Muqaddimat al-Asasiyyah fi Ulum al-Qur’an (p.131 onwards). I think he makes a compelling case and cites evidences that I did not see Sh Nur al-Din cite and respond to) from his book on ulum al-Qur’an. Maybe in a future episode we can detail the back and forth on this debate, but it is a secondary point to the current review.
5) Appreciate the feedback, but I believe it is misplaced. There is no need to avoid any discussions as long as the points are backed up and dealt with properly. The point about the book lacking any attempt to authenticate the narrations back to the Prophet (sallallahu’alayhi wa sallam) meant that it places a large cloud over the content and explanation of the whole book. So, unless he or someone can sieve through the book and grade them, then we would be at a better place to see the useful contribution in terms of his explanation. In terms of focus on those three pages, I have seen in your comments a lot of accusations that we have been bias and made mistakes, but I have not seen you accept that the book was wrong for what it said. I am pretty sure if I was to write an amazing book, but spend three pages saying that Ml Ahmad Ridha Khan or Sh Albani were shia (which is not true), the focus would rightly be on those three pages.
This is my response to your comments, what my advice would be is for you to leave these polemical discussions because you said it does not interest you and nor have you read much about it. There is no need for you then to spend time writing messages about topics that does not interest you. Allah accept our efforts, make us sincere and forgive our shortcomings, amin.
Dr Mawlana Zeeshan
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